Anarchonomicon - March 02, 2026


Ep27 WAR! Iran! March 2026! Missiles, Supreme Leaders, and More! w⧸Hypozomata and Goppy


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00:00:00.000 They will chain you, like Prometheus, to a rock, where the memory of your own greatness
00:00:15.080 will gnaw you the battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the
00:00:33.300 video arena the video drone you look around what do you see businessmen
00:00:38.580 teachers lawyers carpenters the very minds of the people we are trying to
00:00:44.420 save but until we do these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy
00:00:50.140 no we're not doing that you're getting called a slur after all there is nothing real outside
00:00:57.320 our perception of reality is there you can see that can't you tribal people uh one of their main
00:01:06.720 kinds of sport is sort of butchering each other it's a full-time sport in tribal societies 0.76
00:01:13.160 You, my children, are the water. They will wash away all that has gone before.
00:01:21.860 The gleam in the eye of sex.
00:01:24.520 It's very simple. The message is force is more effective than voting. Elections change nothing.
00:01:31.640 But I had some ideas. We got global and tribal. We were going to become...
00:01:35.340 The closer you get together, the more you like each other.
00:01:37.460 Yeah.
00:01:38.180 There's no evidence of that in any situation that we've ever heard of.
00:01:41.880 Major Lennox answered with his life, as you should have done if you had any sense of honor.
00:01:46.880 You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.
00:01:51.880 And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
00:01:58.880 He who saves a nation violates no law.
00:02:05.880 All forms of violence are requests for identity.
00:02:09.880 When you live out on the frontier, you have no identity, you're a nobody, therefore you
00:02:15.020 get very tough.
00:02:17.020 You have to prove that you are somebody, and so you become very violent. 1.00
00:02:21.940 I'm coming to kill you! 1.00
00:02:24.680 For greater safety, please avoid the English language. 0.99
00:02:30.960 Please do not translate this message.
00:02:34.760 And so identity is always accompanied by violence.
00:02:39.100 This seems paradoxical to you?
00:02:41.200 It works.
00:02:42.400 Violence works.
00:02:44.140 Therefore, television is reality.
00:02:48.040 And reality is less than television.
00:02:51.100 Were you listening to me, Neo?
00:02:53.040 Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? 0.98
00:02:55.300 It's just a grotesque postmodern psyop, and anyone who's fallen for this is brain damaged.
00:03:00.460 Hello, hello, hello, glorious listeners.
00:03:02.500 Welcome back to another exciting episode of the NarconomCon podcast.
00:03:07.020 uh diving right in i am joined today uh say hello greetings you may know me as a hypo
00:03:17.500 zomata from a previous podcast and flying gottnick who you you should already know dear reader sailor
00:03:28.840 Hello.
00:03:30.980 I am joined by both my guns, both my experts on all things war and aviation, to dive into
00:03:41.940 what has happened over the two days, which is of course the war with Iran and all the
00:03:48.340 immediate lessons that people are trying to draw from just exactly what has happened.
00:03:55.500 Goppy is a pilot
00:04:00.000 and a nerd on
00:04:04.680 all things airframe related. How would you describe
00:04:08.700 yourself, Goppy? I think that's probably pretty much
00:04:12.840 an adequate description. Nerd on things airframe related and also
00:04:16.320 sort of military aviation history as well. Obviously, we did the piece on
00:04:20.620 Vietnam last year. 1.00
00:04:25.500 Yes, that was an extraordinary Thief Diet history.
00:04:29.720 And we're also joined by Hypo Zamata, who I'm not sure how you're describing your professional life now, Hypo Zamata.
00:04:38.980 Summarize who you are for our audience in whatever way you like.
00:04:44.380 All right. Thank you, Kulak.
00:04:46.800 Definitely like to say that I really loved the podcast with Gopnik previously on Vietnam.
00:04:52.580 Go check it out if you haven't.
00:04:53.700 While I am not a pilot, I would definitely also call myself a defense and aerospace aficionado, maybe part-time analyst.
00:05:08.340 It doesn't really bleed into my professional work, although we have had some contracts with the DOD, but not on the kinetic side.
00:05:17.020 I come into this purely as someone who spends lots of old PDFs on the topic.
00:05:28.140 I'm very excited to have you both on.
00:05:31.320 For you readers at home, I am no expert at all on anything related to anything in the air.
00:05:37.720 My great expertise and my knowledge of all things related to missiles, air war, electronic intelligence, all that comes from playing High Fleet, Deus in Noblis, the wonderful Doom-themed dieselpunk game online.
00:06:03.380 So I have a gamer's understanding of the concepts, also playing old U-boat simulators from like the 2000s.
00:06:13.960 I feel very, very little about everything related to missiles and airframes.
00:06:20.040 So I am going to be...
00:06:21.820 We do have to mention the possible submarine sinking rumors at some point.
00:06:28.500 I did not diss this episode.
00:06:33.380 hour longer uh uh so so on friday uh two days ago for us that time of recording uh at like 3 a.m
00:06:46.840 uh america time uh dal trump announced that war had begun with iran strikes had been carried out
00:06:57.220 out on the iranian government and things were already escalating quickly now as of
00:07:04.500 8 9 p.m uh sunday uh we've all already heard that the ayatollah has been killed
00:07:14.100 uh several parts of the iranian government have been taken out iran has struck back at seven plus
00:07:23.040 country just like in frame for for uh israel's own seven front war that now it's a full um
00:07:32.780 it's a full peltonesians war style coalition mold battle between too many factions to count
00:07:40.560 and and there's also been strikes on oil facilities and a u.s.
00:07:48.160 sort of, maybe, was struck by an Iranian missile, which is not supposed to happen.
00:07:58.900 So I have not been able to follow nearly all this as much as I would have liked to.
00:08:05.680 You know, I probably won't figure out what happened in the past until I can read about it three years from now.
00:08:13.960 but uh you two are expert situation monitors uh can you summarize what has happened the past 48
00:08:22.240 hours who first oh that is that is a monumental task um briefly summarize we're we're gonna deep
00:08:33.300 dive more of it but but uh your 10 to 20 minute summaries over the course of the last months the
00:08:40.560 U.S. and its allies have moved a tremendous amount of combat power into the region in aircraft
00:08:45.860 deployment, only somewhat lesser than the massive deployment that happened before Desert Storm in
00:08:52.440 1991, plus hundreds of strategic airlifter flights carrying what largely was ground-based
00:09:01.400 air defense systems into the region to prepare for a series of strikes against the Islamic Republic
00:09:07.800 of Iran, working with the Israeli defense forces to dismount their headquarters, their air defense
00:09:14.400 sites, their radars, their tactical ballistic missile launchers, their navy, and quite plausibly
00:09:21.200 some industrial sites as well. Iran has, of course, retaliated with their ground-based
00:09:28.960 cruise missile, drone, and short-range and intermediate-range ballistic missile inventory
00:09:35.640 against U.S. bases, Israeli targets, and other seemingly nonsensical
00:09:40.440 but potentially related targets throughout the Middle East
00:09:43.940 draw a coalition against them.
00:09:47.680 It looks like at this point the fighting is still raging
00:09:52.060 at a very high level of intensity, with the outcome still somewhat in doubt.
00:09:56.660 uh yes and goffy before we jump into you your summary of uh points you finger are born i i
00:10:09.780 want to read this out i've i've got a s2 underground who is an amazing follow
00:10:15.940 for all things tactical prepper and like geopolitics related uh he puts out
00:10:22.540 a podcast called The Wire
00:10:25.460 that just summarizes
00:10:28.760 high-level news stories and figures and stuff.
00:10:34.940 And these are his stats.
00:10:37.560 He's a retired intel guy.
00:10:42.140 I don't know his specific biographical details.
00:10:45.100 But Katar is up
00:10:48.620 3 p.m. or 1,500
00:10:52.320 zulu uh march 1st i'm not sure we just check what time that is uh 11 30 a.m uh today uh he
00:11:04.320 he used to find uh info from from the following countries so qatar is reporting 65 ballistic
00:11:15.280 missiles and 12 drones intercepted. Bahrain, 45 missiles and 9 drones intercepted. Jordan,
00:11:23.120 45, 49 missiles and drone figure of which, 13 of which were intercepted. Israel, over 200 missiles
00:11:33.520 and drones intercepted. The UAE, 137 missiles and 209 drones detected, 105 of which were intercepted.
00:11:45.280 And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have strikes targeting their countries.
00:11:51.780 However, neither have confirmed how many drones or missiles have been intercepted.
00:11:58.460 Importantly, several countries, you'll notice that those are non-standard reporting statistics across those I listed.
00:12:10.720 Israel and Ukraine kind of started this.
00:12:14.180 But it's become fairly standard to conceal missile and drone hits or like to blackout and censor like cell phone footage and stuff of the hits or to not report it.
00:12:32.100 and this this is there's an innocent reason for this which is of course that uh you know you don't
00:12:42.580 want to give accurate reporting on hits if the enemy doesn't have it you don't want to let them
00:12:47.380 correct their shots but uh another big part of it is the propaganda value that you don't want
00:12:54.660 your own people or allies uh seeing is to see you and uh from the 12-day war we still don't know
00:13:05.640 the extent to which uh israel was hit we don't really have casualty figures for the 12-day war
00:13:11.880 that are at all reliable or like damage figures and we probably aren't going to get that for this
00:13:17.640 war from any of those countries although several of them were honest and like reported the figures
00:13:25.040 for the missiles that they didn't intercept uh the UAE didn't get the message that they aren't
00:13:31.140 supposed to report how many they detected without intercepting but uh this is thousands of drones
00:13:37.800 souls that have got it if for my takeaway uh in my ignorance is that uh is that
00:13:53.600 the u.s and like its allies do not have that many interceptors especially uh
00:14:00.920 uh when we're talking like very cheap like
00:14:04.880 two thousand to like thirty thousand dollar drones that's so you're talking about like
00:14:13.060 the shahed type right like um you know the the flying lawnmower from ukraine um so the shahed
00:14:20.100 type does not require a very sophisticated interceptor to uh to deal with right there
00:14:25.520 there's footage of people in like you know yak 5 trainers you know like cessna type aircraft
00:14:30.900 in Ukraine, knocking them down with light machine guns. And in theory, you know, a radar-controlled
00:14:37.720 20-millimeter autocannon could deal with many of these threats. You don't need something extremely
00:14:43.360 fancy like an SM-3 interceptor to deal with these. But there has been some reporting by
00:14:51.000 fairly mainstream journalists that the U.S. has sort of underestimated the Shahed threat and not 0.98
00:14:57.980 deployed enough low-end air defense to deal with them. And as a result, we've seen hits from Shahed 1.00
00:15:03.380 type munitions on fairly important U.S. bases, like the Naval Support Activities Bahrain base
00:15:11.280 on day one, which has been somewhat alarming for the U.S. side. On the other hand, the U.S. has
00:15:18.560 actually cloned the Shahed. We've turned it into something called the Lucas, the low-cost 0.97
00:15:24.420 like unmanned aerial system and we have been deploying those against iran so they're also 0.88
00:15:30.200 eating shitheads as well 0.98
00:15:32.200 yes um mind you
00:15:37.880 um i can't find i'm looking i can't find range figures for that so
00:15:45.480 uh i have no idea how likely uh so iran has this asymmetrical advantage
00:15:53.480 in this war in that they have this massive mountain range
00:15:58.280 and all this territory between them and the Bintaran and the Persian Gulf,
00:16:05.480 whereas all the states on the Persian Gulf are right on the Persian Gulf
00:16:09.440 and just have, like, a body of water between them and the Iranian border,
00:16:16.460 i mean territory so that uh iran central cities are kind of somewhat armored for this exchange
00:16:26.940 obviously more armored for in ground invasion uh the art does kind of negate negate this for like
00:16:34.620 deep strengths but uh but like on the face of it we'd expect like u.s bases in qatar and bahrain
00:16:42.480 to be more vulnerable to missiles and drones than, like, Iranian facilities
00:16:49.620 just because they're closer to enemy territory and have, like, less terrain between them.
00:16:58.120 Mind you, like, the water should give some advantage for just detection.
00:17:02.680 Yeah, there is a bit of a nuance there, because in some respects,
00:17:06.280 the Iranian mountainous terrain has been working against them
00:17:09.020 because they've been having a bugger of a time intercepting cruise missiles,
00:17:11.600 which can easily terrain mask in every little
00:17:13.480 nook and cranny in the mountains
00:17:14.840 yeah
00:17:17.240 like Iran's strategic depth is great 0.95
00:17:19.580 but like low flying 0.76
00:17:21.620 cruise missiles will definitely use
00:17:23.340 like river valleys to navigate
00:17:25.440 below the
00:17:27.480 engagement range of like
00:17:29.540 a theater air defense system
00:17:30.660 did you see the route that the Flamingo missiles
00:17:33.480 took to a production site deep
00:17:35.480 in Russia last
00:17:36.900 I did not see exactly
00:17:39.580 what it was no
00:17:40.480 um it was pretty interesting they followed a river in russia something like 1500 miles
00:17:47.620 to stay below the engagement rate of uh russian theater air defense and they ended up striking
00:17:53.960 a target that should have been ukraine i assume uh not not uh israel yeah this was a ukrainian
00:18:03.480 like super heavy flamingo cruise missile okay that is very interesting 1500 miles
00:18:11.160 rain masking through river valleys i do believe so um i can send you the uh the map that i saw
00:18:20.680 reportedly uh after the show if um you find that of interest all right i i can bop that in the show
00:18:28.760 notes absolutely uh uh diva to me and say for the show notes but uh that that is remarkable because
00:18:35.820 usually like uh missiles and the airframes and stuff uh like you burn a lot of fuel
00:18:42.500 maneuvering or following anything and also the lower in the atmosphere you are uh
00:18:48.660 that uh they're like flying through through high altitude uh the air is
00:18:58.760 much that presents resistance whereas whereas like tracking along the ground that's the thicker air
00:19:06.220 and especially if you're maneuvering uh that's uh that's a lot of extra burn that's it that's a
00:19:12.400 long-range missile um yeah flamingo is much larger than um say a u.s tomahawk or a russian caliber
00:19:19.600 it compensates by just being enormous all right that that is fascinating uh so
00:19:26.780 so the strategic war uh show it called there's the there's this technical battle going on between
00:19:37.240 all these different systems which um yeah america is kind of paying the price for like
00:19:43.920 putting low-end air defense and not investing in, like, just flat guns and stuff like that,
00:19:53.660 a traditional demunition air defense. But at the strategic level, the Ayatollah is dead. 0.97
00:20:04.520 Iran has confirmed this, and so, and a significant part of their senior leadership is,
00:20:10.740 uh i want to get your guys opinion before i offer
00:20:15.380 i uh does this said i ran back a lot or were these guys like basically
00:20:23.940 that existed to be like highly honored but also die in the first wave so that like
00:20:32.100 the actual leadership uh wouldn't be the primary target so i can probably fold that
00:20:40.460 into my sort of general addition
00:20:42.500 to the summary that you asked for before as well
00:20:44.720 if that's alright
00:20:46.380 absolutely
00:20:48.280 go for it
00:20:49.980 yeah so indeed
00:20:52.500 it took about
00:20:54.380 a day of ambiguity
00:20:56.300 in the information space before the
00:20:58.080 Iranians admitted that
00:21:00.120 Khamenei had indeed been
00:21:02.360 killed seemingly in
00:21:04.460 his home as well it sort
00:21:06.440 of looks like he
00:21:07.760 martyred himself on purpose
00:21:10.100 in sort of knowing he was a marked man
00:21:12.300 rather than
00:21:14.280 allowing himself to be whisked off to a bunker
00:21:16.060 as it happened on previous occasions
00:21:18.360 and yeah that happens
00:21:20.340 for our listeners who might not know
00:21:22.160 Kamene was
00:21:23.720 86 so like
00:21:25.840 he was fairly
00:21:30.100 senile this is like
00:21:31.220 fairly old and senile
00:21:33.140 this is like end of the
00:21:36.280 last thing he could do and give fur for iran he wasn't making like a lot of the decisions at this
00:21:42.400 point uh sorry to interrupt you agape just wanted to make sure yeah it is a good point to our
00:21:49.860 listeners who like are used to western leaders who would you know never plan to get taken out
00:21:56.040 you can't imagine hillary cunton doing that yes and he had expressed in the past essentially a 0.83
00:22:02.840 sentiment that he would be uh unhappy to die of natural causes let's say and being the leader of
00:22:08.580 a religious movement that values martyrdom quite highly that does make a lot of sense
00:22:14.480 so yeah at time of recording i think we're at about eight plus 44 not quite two days into things so
00:22:21.440 the night so on the first night you have u.s israel looking like they were conducted mainly
00:22:31.760 with standoff weapons, so aeroballistic and cruise missiles like JASM, Slammer, Rampage,
00:22:40.020 Golden Horizon, things of that nature, as well as tomahawks launched from U.S. ships and potentially
00:22:46.620 cruise missiles from strategic bombers as well. The air picture is quite foggy, but I'm sure we'll
00:22:51.240 get into that. Iran withheld retaliation and also general activation of its air defense system
00:22:58.200 seemingly for about an hour because at the time that this all kicked off there was still there
00:23:04.380 hadn't been any airspace closures there were still a lot of civilian airliners over iraq and iran and
00:23:10.120 it took about an hour to clear those out so the first iranian ballistic missile launches happened
00:23:14.760 after that they definitely didn't want a event which happened during a brief exchange of blows
00:23:22.160 between the US and Iran in 2020 where the Tehran air defenses shot down a Ukrainian airliner.
00:23:30.420 So fortunately, that sort of incident has been avoided on this particular occasion. 0.85
00:23:36.600 The retaliatory Iranian missile strikes were, let's say, partially successful in penetrating 0.92
00:23:42.800 Israeli air defenses.
00:23:44.880 Plenty of missiles were intercepted, plenty also got through.
00:23:48.400 The Israelis have been doing a bit of a better job with 1.00
00:23:52.160 And we're getting out of there. And it's also sometimes kind of hard to tell what's from this year and what's from last year, because it's the current war kind of echoes the last one in a lot of those sorts of respects. 0.99
00:24:04.220 And it's a similar story inside Iran. There's some video coming out, but it's often difficult to tell what was actually hit from them.
00:24:12.000 And so the sort of scale and targets can be a little bit difficult to pick out.
00:24:18.540 Iran seemingly enjoyed a greater degree of success in hitting U.S. bases and also infrastructure targets in the various Gulf states.
00:24:27.660 And those U.S. bases like Ali al-Salem in Kuwait, Al-Udeed in Qatar, Al-Dafra, Al-Minhad in the UAE and such like were largely abandoned about a week ago because they kind of figured that something was coming and it wasn't really too realistical.
00:24:47.840 there the some of the u.s bases at least still had patriot batteries defending them it kind of
00:24:56.480 looks like ali al-salem probably didn't because it was hit by at least one shahad 136 probably more
00:25:02.740 we did get some chinese satellite imagery lending some suggestions of the amount of damage that was
00:25:09.320 actually done there the infrastructure targets in the gulf states so far it looks like it's
00:25:16.420 basically a sort of counter value campaign of economic warfare so production facilities
00:25:24.340 airports and seaports essentially the three big gulf state airlines of emirates qatar and etihad
00:25:35.780 have been business essentially overnight because their global hubs have been closed at least for
00:25:40.180 the time being so we'll kind of see the economic impact of that over time and also to a degree
00:25:46.500 tomorrow morning when the markets open probably a shock in oil prices is probably inevitable
00:25:52.900 the iranians announced the closure of the strait of hormuz and have hit at least one ship some
00:26:01.140 others as of this time. And some kind of preliminary observations about the broader
00:26:11.300 strategic effects of the actual strikes on Iran are that the decapitation was immediately successful
00:26:19.500 insofar as it did kill its intended targets, arguably unsuccessful in that the state didn't
00:26:26.600 collapse which a bit of speculation but it seems like the intended outcome here was that
00:26:32.840 the air campaign would provoke some kind of uprising probably supported by us and israeli
00:26:39.240 intelligence within iran which would overthrow the either install or turn really threaten anyone
00:26:47.800 so so far that hasn't happened the iranians have had a couple of reps at this point of
00:26:52.200 reacting to decapitations and lines of succession seem to have gone fairly smoothly with other
00:26:58.560 people taking over the head of state and or government is the now the previous vice president
00:27:04.780 essentially an interim supreme leader has been appointed we'll see what happens to them over time
00:27:10.940 but uh that seems to be the net effect there for now the only public large public demonstrations
00:27:18.640 inside Iran appear to be in support of the government, at least as of the moment.
00:27:26.220 So going forward from now, Kulak, you mentioned the potential worries about shortages of air
00:27:33.920 defense interceptor missiles in the U.S. and Gulf state inventories.
00:27:41.060 That is certainly a concern that is being talked about quite a lot right now with a
00:27:48.280 lot of this being that if the Iranians can sustain their effort, if their missile launchers
00:27:54.440 aren't suppressed, destroyed, or reduced in capacity at some level, that those magazines
00:28:00.040 will probably be exhausted in not much more than a week. We'll see if things actually do
00:28:06.640 shake out that way. Similarly, the US and Israel do have limited stocks of their own
00:28:14.320 standoff munitions to actually hit
00:28:17.540 Iran with. Now the air picture
00:28:19.680 is quite opaque at the moment, but it doesn't
00:28:21.840 look at least to me
00:28:24.100 like there may be some debate
00:28:25.780 on this, that
00:28:27.240 the US
00:28:29.420 aircraft are
00:28:30.740 to Iranian to a substantial degree
00:28:33.860 but again, that's all
00:28:35.800 a bit opaque and the defense
00:28:37.280 suppression picture is not
00:28:39.500 entirely clear to me.
00:28:42.320 So if those
00:28:43.660 standoff weapon stocks are exhausted and there's a desire campaign to continue. The need to press
00:28:51.440 into Iranian territory, try to suppress and destroy the air defense, actually achieve air
00:28:56.140 superiority over Iranian territory will be a riskier proposition, which is pretty likely to
00:29:03.300 involve airframe losses to the Americans and Israelis. And there's also a limited amount of
00:29:09.840 damage that can be done with those kinds of uh standoff weapons exclusively there are some
00:29:14.420 particularly hardened targets that do require specific uh shorter ranged weapon systems like
00:29:20.860 the uh mops that the b2s can drop there was a claim by the u.s that they conducted a b2 raid
00:29:28.060 on a ballistic last night the uh firm or uh disproved that that happened or not
00:29:36.320 so that kind of only leaves me with the open question of what the broader strategic goals of
00:29:44.720 the u.s if the idea was a short air campaign that provokes an uprising that overthrows the
00:29:52.100 iranian government i saw that be a pain to degrade iranian capabilities then it's basically going to
00:30:02.900 be a sort of a contest of throw weight and sort of a tonnage war and contest of magazine depth and
00:30:11.260 it's much will depend on who runs out of fireworks first and the other kind of question is even if
00:30:18.860 that's achieved does it necessarily result in the end of the iranian government there's certainly
00:30:24.760 historical precedent for countries being wrecked from end to end from the air and not necessarily
00:30:30.420 giving up purely as a result
00:30:32.500 of that
00:30:33.040 so I think that's
00:30:35.560 about all I have to
00:30:38.140 add to it for now
00:30:40.460 let me ask another
00:30:41.840 let me ask a follow up
00:30:44.320 is there an example of a country
00:30:46.120 that has been overthrown
00:30:48.060 but like
00:30:49.960 air power alone
00:30:51.080 like
00:30:52.140 that really
00:30:57.740 is a
00:31:00.420 Libya and the ends of a revolution
00:31:02.000 when the U.S. intervened
00:31:03.720 aerially.
00:31:06.220 Like, I can't
00:31:07.240 think of a country that was defeated
00:31:09.400 by air power.
00:31:12.880 Even Japan
00:31:13.900 and 0.71
00:31:15.300 So, at the beginning
00:31:17.880 of the house, a couple of interesting
00:31:19.900 Sorry.
00:31:24.320 At the beginning of the house, there were actually a couple 1.00
00:31:25.880 interesting examples where the Germans
00:31:28.040 threatened to use the Luftwaffe
00:31:29.820 to level major urban centers in Czechoslovakia and then the Netherlands.
00:31:34.340 And reportedly that played a role in convincing the leadership of those countries to surrender immediately
00:31:42.080 rather than wage a protracted ground war against the Germans.
00:31:46.420 But in the current sense, air power alone is unlikely to provoke some sort of mass uprising or defection by the military.
00:31:54.860 Iran has spent the last 50 years building the IRGC up as a parallel military to ensure the loyalty of the conventional force.
00:32:05.240 And as such, with most of the ringleaders from the previous round of rioting in January already liquidated, it's unlikely that we'll see mass civil in Iran right now.
00:32:19.160 The rally around the flag effect is probably more likely at the current moment. 0.84
00:32:24.860 I definitely do want to talk about the decapitation strikes going on.
00:32:34.520 Currently, it looks like Ali Larijani might be in charge.
00:32:39.860 Are you all familiar with who he is?
00:32:42.640 No idea.
00:32:44.740 Not really.
00:32:45.300 Let me ask our listeners.
00:32:48.020 Sure.
00:32:48.360 So Ali Larijani is a former IRGC general and former speaker of their national parliament, as well as the chair of their equivalent of the National Security Council.
00:33:03.360 So he is a sort of defense and political leader of the first rank.
00:33:09.700 The Guardian Council would not actually let him run for the presidency, which is very interesting.
00:33:13.780 But it has been widely speculated that he is currently the leading figure in Iran and has been responsible for much of the crackdown against the protests and rioting in January.
00:33:28.440 He's part of a position called the Multalafe, which is a conservative group, not the most hardline group, but also not reformist in any sense.
00:33:39.060 um originally he studied engineering and computer science as a younger man
00:33:45.340 uh so he is definitely more technically uh informed than the purely religious leader class
00:33:53.100 and during the breck war as well so he has quite some substantial military experience
00:34:01.280 as such i think that he will very likely become the power behind the throne in iran
00:34:07.480 even if he is not formally part of the three-man governing troika has been formally known as the
00:34:15.980 new leadership the ayatollah that is currently on that council um ali reza arafi has is basically
00:34:24.480 like the rector of uh iranian religious seminaries the man has you know plenty of religious leadership
00:34:32.320 experience but absolutely nothing relevant on the military strategic industrial or economic sense
00:34:38.260 so i suspect that larry johnny will be in the country if he can avoid being liquidated uh in
00:34:45.960 this area campaign so this is something that um so my read of the strategic situation
00:34:56.720 is that uh the u.s seems to not really have a strategy and you can see this from like
00:35:04.820 how the trump administration has behaved over the past year year plus that the strategy seems to be
00:35:12.180 um domestic political strategy or one might or donor class political strategy that uh okay if
00:35:20.640 we do this or we negotiate this uh that takes the pressure off um there's that coordinated uh
00:35:28.600 i'll hit you and then you hit me like uh attack and retaliation in this last summer uh during the
00:35:37.160 seven days during the where um the u.s hit iran's nuclear facilities but then like it they coordinated 0.98
00:35:47.380 and arranged the exact number of bombs and missiles
00:35:50.920 that would come back.
00:35:54.220 Which was very much obviously pitched to the Iranian leadership
00:35:59.560 as a, oh, we have a domestic political thing
00:36:04.180 that we need this to happen, but we can, like,
00:36:07.960 avoid an escalation and take this, well, pretend
00:36:15.420 And we had a real good fight, but then we then negotiated.
00:36:21.220 And you can see this with Venezuela, where it's, like, not obvious what exactly military goals were achieved by kidnapping Maduro.
00:36:33.460 The Venezuelan government is still in charge.
00:36:38.900 And, like, the terms really haven't changed much.
00:36:41.240 Like the actual relationship between the U.S. and Venezuela, it's not obvious what exactly should change.
00:36:48.380 But the U.S. got a massive PR when they got to communicate to the world that they're really technically dying.
00:36:58.940 And, you know, the Goy beam, the direct energy weapons and drones are that powerful that you can place Delta Force right in Krakus
00:37:08.240 raucous and pull the present out uh just that powerfully which of course you can't do and uh 0.57
00:37:14.840 the reason the reason less lethal weapons exist is because they're weaker than the lethal weapons
00:37:20.180 like if you actually were going in guns blazing and ripping the present out like you wouldn't use
00:37:25.700 a direct energy weapon you'd use a grin but of course of course the the opportunity for a spooky
00:37:34.640 tech demo demo that was like basically signed off on by the venezuelan military that they
00:37:40.720 weren't going to use their anti-air weapons uh that u.s legitimacy it gives the u.s some strategic
00:37:50.700 ambiguity of their capabilities and it like spooks the rest world leaders you know
00:37:56.460 don't ditch the dollar don't mess with us what i see in in iran is that like um 0.92
00:38:04.000 The reason, obviously, that, like, Venezuela-type stuff can't happen is because the Dora class wants a real war with Iran. 0.61
00:38:13.060 They don't want a, um, shows force or, like, some renegotiated deal for money. 0.85
00:38:20.140 They want regime change.
00:38:22.020 And over the past year plus is the failed Israeli attempt at regime change during the
00:38:35.820 day war, during the protests around them prior to the U.S. nuclear strike.
00:38:43.560 Israel has, like, actually been exhausting a lot of its, like, intel resources in Iran.
00:38:48.760 Like probably something like 80% of their espionage assets they probably burned last summer trying to have that uprising and all those coordinated strikes.
00:39:00.480 And then, you know, these protests over the past month are probably they screwed over the Kurds and a few other ethnicities in Iran, dumping the contents of Syrian prisons on the Iranians to like bolster the paramilitary side of the protest.
00:39:22.920 Obviously, there were real protests that happened, but a lot of the 10,000 that allegedly died during the Iranian response were not ordinary protesters.
00:39:37.200 They were various paramilitaries and others who were, like, sent in to disrupt the place.
00:39:45.380 Like, these are a lot of the assets that had been expended.
00:39:50.100 But usually you want a concentration of force when you're, like, going for all the marbles and trying to take down a government.
00:39:57.280 Like, usually you want all your air assets and all your espionage assets and, like, a culled levy paramilitaries that you pulled in from other countries and whatnot.
00:40:09.320 like you don't want to do it like the nightmare scenario is you do what has happened which is you
00:40:14.200 you use all a good chunk of your air assets and you use your espionage assets at another time
00:40:21.680 then you use your paramilitary assets and you know you go in the congo line of death where you go in
00:40:27.420 one at a time time and like and none of these assets are supporting each other properly like
00:40:35.100 what's happened is each of these failed attempts has burned the resources that should have been
00:40:40.820 all been used at once and uh the and like that's on the Israeli side on the American side
00:40:48.680 uh it looks to me like uh entirely a wag the dog situation where a lot of the
00:40:56.440 the strategic and like tactical goals are having to be interpreted or like written back into the
00:41:05.760 script you know like uh like uh the star wars novel writers like trying to trying to draw
00:41:13.380 themes out of uh the prequel movies uh that you have to come to this work that's been given to
00:41:20.420 you, and all the decisions were made for odd reasons, and then write in a meaning to them
00:41:25.900 that all the mid-level officers at the Pentagon and whatnot are basically novel writers for
00:41:40.940 an expanded universe they didn't make the decisions on, that's my interpretation.
00:41:48.200 that a lot of this is like, like very ad hoc, wag the dog type stuff that the, the Likud
00:41:55.400 Maga intersection of like these very, very old Jewish donors are not, are like, to the
00:42:08.160 extent they're thinking strategically are thinking in two years, we might not even have 0.79
00:42:12.880 the power to do this we gotta do this now and like uh our largely senile 70 and 80 year olds
00:42:19.700 who like wouldn't be thinking that strategically anyway uh does that does that narrative like have
00:42:27.400 any attachment to reality or am i like reading my political resentments into the situation
00:42:32.660 i reckon it more or less does of a u.s interest at play that doesn't necessarily involve iran
00:42:45.040 directly as such insofar as they want some easy victories as a show of force to the rest of the
00:42:51.400 world to restore their military credibility supposedly according to various american
00:42:56.700 officials mr hegseth has been marching around the pentagon bellowing about restoring deterrence
00:43:02.220 So there's that's certainly a major part of it. And the other half is purely Israeli interest. They want to turn Iran into a failed state the same way has happened to Libya and Syria. So as not to have any counterbalancing power in the Middle East to check on their ambitions.
00:43:20.520 yeah so this is where like
00:43:23.280 sorry go ahead
00:43:27.680 oh I was just going to say the wind chasing angle of this
00:43:31.240 that uh because the US lost in Afghanistan
00:43:34.440 Iraq was like kind of inconclusive Syria held on so long
00:43:37.900 and now like uh Ukraine you know
00:43:40.920 all the NATO can't can't make Russia back down
00:43:45.420 uh like i see the wind chasing aspect of it is kind of like a an internal justification
00:43:55.820 that like doesn't quite fit the reality because um venezuela you can slap around very easily
00:44:02.180 venezuela will consent to like sell youth and like build up the narrative that your special
00:44:12.320 forces are just that good that they can rip
00:44:14.280 them out of their
00:44:16.120 capital in the dead of the night randomly.
00:44:21.380 And
00:44:23.380 that negotiated
00:44:25.680 something around the nuclear sites
00:44:27.680 last summer.
00:44:31.020 But a
00:44:32.220 brand-new country that's
00:44:34.240 been, like, built up for
00:44:36.100 30, 40 years
00:44:38.100 to
00:44:40.360 to stabilize ed you know it's a country of 90 million this is one of the things that like
00:44:49.780 does not crop up in like american conversations enough but it's 90 million people like uh it's
00:44:56.440 one-third the size of the u.s just under one-third the size of the u.s it's like two california two
00:45:03.720 three californias uh you know it's it's two canadas and then then some like uh the population
00:45:12.940 of of iran like just on the face of it the idea that that a the u.s could knock up a country of
00:45:24.400 90 million without like a lot of internal cause costs like without a major war that like inflicts
00:45:31.800 at least tens of thousands of losses on the U.S.
00:45:35.180 is, like, on the face of it, like,
00:45:36.940 like, chill, like, sorry, difficult.
00:45:42.120 The idea that it could do it quickly,
00:45:44.700 only doing it from the air and with, like,
00:45:47.800 like, squirrels and, uh, and proxy.
00:45:53.360 It's, that, that seems, on the face of it,
00:45:56.820 like, insane, insane.
00:46:00.280 Yeah, it's like, yeah.
00:46:01.800 biggest the world to the problem i'd be like napoleon want to want to conquer all of austria
00:46:10.880 uh but i i only want to do it from the sea like
00:46:14.860 these are just not the way that like military problems work
00:46:21.680 right and i would think that the vast majority of the decision makers in the pentagon and the
00:46:29.740 White House agree with that statement, that they're not trying for maximum regime change.
00:46:34.080 They know that that is implausible, even if they make public statements that it would be a desirable
00:46:39.700 outcome. There's a reason why we haven't assembled half a million ground troops in addition to the
00:46:44.020 air campaign. This seems to be, as Gopi said before, entirely a strike to degrade Iran's 0.98
00:46:50.380 ballistic missile, nuclear air defense, and strike capabilities to basically mow the law,
00:46:55.780 to basically destroy a few years of their industrial base
00:47:00.720 and their ability to accumulate forces. 1.00
00:47:05.080 Builds across the Middle East, right? 0.98
00:47:07.100 Like destroying much of Iran's industrial base 0.99
00:47:10.180 and missile production sites. 0.98
00:47:12.040 Reduces the amount of leverage that they have 0.74
00:47:13.860 to rebuild Hezbollah, to rebuild the Hussies, 0.62
00:47:15.980 to rebuild their militias in Iraq and Syria.
00:47:20.580 At the even broader grand strategic level,
00:47:24.620 Well, the U.S. is worried that Iran will attract major investment and become a proxy of the
00:47:29.860 People's Republic of China.
00:47:33.480 And so destroying Iran's infrastructure, their industrial base and their existing military
00:47:39.780 reduces the viability of that sort of plan.
00:47:42.720 It makes it so that the Chinese really don't want to invest in Iran and they would consider
00:47:47.000 Iran to be too risky and essentially not worth plowing significant investment into
00:47:54.620 Um, that I think is broadly, broadly rational, but at the same time, destroying much of Iran's capabilities doesn't meaningfully degrade China's options in the rest of the world. So on that truly most grand strategic of levels, it doesn't actually matter that much for the true Cold War between the US and China. 0.74
00:48:14.920 so i i'm not sure to what extent the u.s is like capable of degrading iran's industrial
00:48:24.920 capacity like uh like at at the uh as goffy has said it doesn't look like there's much in terms of
00:48:35.280 like out like air contesting uh i was faced like uh like even the air i think that's about to change
00:48:45.980 oh so in the first 24 hours it was largely standoff munitions but we've seen some footage
00:48:54.400 from the last eight hours of allied jets over tehran itself of reaper drones over mainland
00:49:01.540 Iran firing Hellfire missiles at point-blank range against ballistic missile transport erector
00:49:07.200 launchers. There's going to be a degree of caution in the literal first 24 hours while battle damage
00:49:15.880 assessment of the initial strikes against Iranian Cedar air defense have been going on. But even in
00:49:22.400 the 12-day war, there were Israeli fourth-generation jets, like their upgraded F-15s and F-16s over
00:49:29.920 Iran itself. Iran has not had much of a chance to rebuild its center air defenses. They haven't
00:49:36.960 really been able to import significant numbers of new radars and command centers and actual
00:49:43.940 launching batteries from either Russia or China, and their domestic production is thoroughly unable
00:49:50.240 to replenish losses within, you know, nearly one year. I would be confident in saying that
00:49:58.000 by the end of the week, if the combat continues at the current rate, that U.S. jets will essentially
00:50:04.960 find high altitude over Iran to be nearly uncontested.
00:50:12.280 I can't say I've come across anything yet showing U.S. and Israeli aircraft over Iranian
00:50:18.140 territory itself. Can you maybe send me something to that effect?
00:50:21.880 Sure. Give me one more.
00:50:23.300 Because I have been looking.
00:50:23.980 So, like, what surprised me is that, like, Iranian air defendants would be exposed to being picked off in this way. 1.00
00:50:40.420 I would assume that these are, like, fairly disguisable and conceivable. 0.80
00:50:46.840 Like, we know all the Taiwanese camouflage tricks, tricks around their various assets, and Iran is like a much larger territory to hide stuff in, like, just hangers, under positions, etc., you know, 0.72
00:51:12.700 optical multi-spectrum camouflage that much is true i that much is true that you can
00:51:22.060 hide like you know a small missile launcher in a cave or whatever but the more the larger
00:51:28.080 your missile is the larger your system of systems is the more difficult it is to hide and iran is
00:51:34.940 mostly mountainous and arid so they don't have like a thick dense jungle foliage to to hide
00:51:41.800 behind either. And especially if you want to engage aircraft at high altitude, you can't
00:51:47.420 rely entirely on ground-based infrared detection systems either. You need to radiate. And if you
00:51:54.280 are radiating, you can be pinpointed and then targeted immediately, which is the problem for
00:52:00.840 any of these shoot and scoot missile launchers. It's definitely possible to wage an asymmetric
00:52:06.200 anti-air campaign like the Hussies did, right? They shot down over a dozen Reapers, but those 0.97
00:52:10.940 reapers were flying very low in order to identify specific who see leaders if we're going after
00:52:16.920 something as big as like a flap lid radar for an s300 we don't need to fly low this this is
00:52:22.120 something that you can do from like you know 50 000 feet or even with a satellite yeah exactly
00:52:27.640 the u.s like signals intelligence satellites um as far as geostationary orbit um have been able
00:52:34.760 to detect these things um you know from you know something like a third of the way to the moon
00:52:39.880 incidentally i do have a full page of notes on iranian air defense systems if you're
00:52:48.200 curious about finite details you do go into this um because again my knowledge of air defense
00:52:55.860 and missiles and and electronic intelligence and all of this is all derived from uh suffering some
00:53:04.020 simulators in a high fleet so you will be edgy and almost certainly are listeners
00:53:10.440 yeah so you mentioned systems that are essentially capable of having a relatively
00:53:18.360 low profile and potentially waging an asymmetric campaign the most numerous system in that
00:53:23.640 category and sort of the medium range sam designed to operate in an ambush posture is the
00:53:29.560 RAD series, which
00:53:31.620 go by various names. I don't
00:53:33.580 have all these memorized like the Soviet 0.82
00:53:35.000 ones off. But essentially
00:53:37.700 the missile that it fires
00:53:39.660 is derived from the
00:53:41.380 Soviet CUB, which is a
00:53:43.520 mobile SAM system from the late
00:53:45.400 1960s.
00:53:47.200 For people who only know NATO reporting
00:53:49.540 names, that's SA-6. 1.00
00:53:53.080 But the Iranians have designed 0.80
00:53:55.500 a different transporter, erector, launcher 0.53
00:53:57.620 and radar vehicle all
00:53:59.560 All in one. It's designed to operate under fairly tight emissions control so that they, again, don't have to emit with their radars very much, although this does limit its capability in terms of range.
00:54:12.740 So it has basically optical and thermal cameras combined with a fairly long-range laser rangefinder, and the idea is that it can detect, track, and launch on a target and then only energize its radar to illuminate that target for the last few seconds before impact.
00:54:30.280 i suspect that relying on optical and thermal tracking may be quite potentially quite severely
00:54:38.620 hindered by bad weather but i'm not too much of a technical fine details sort of chat thank god
00:54:45.480 they do also the iranians do also operate certain systems in the medium range category that are
00:54:52.500 probably a lot less of a threat like the aforementioned uh soviet cub but just upgraded
00:54:58.400 to use iranian rod missiles they also have american hawks which are a medium range system
00:55:05.200 from the early 1960s some of which have been upgraded to the mersad standard with new missiles
00:55:12.080 but again those are all semi-active radar homing systems so they have to illuminate
00:55:18.000 a target all the way until impact so they have a much larger signature essentially
00:55:26.000 i i believe they also have have caught the chinese hq7 which was derived from the french
00:55:35.340 crotal system but um yeah like all of these systems like in a vacuum they do have some
00:55:42.780 potential to spot an aircraft through a either thermal or electro-optical system but like the
00:55:50.800 amount of sky that those systems can scan at any given moment is very limited compared to the
00:55:55.880 amount that a broader tracking radar can. And without proper integration between different
00:56:02.040 radars, command centers, and launchers, the entire system's effectiveness degrades, right? Like
00:56:07.720 striking at the links between command centers, radars, and launchers is much more useful for
00:56:16.160 degrading the effectiveness of an air defense system than blowing up every last launcher.
00:56:21.900 and there also is a difference between total standoff tactics and total stand-in tactics right
00:56:27.520 like the u.s uh glide bombs like the the kind that the russians have been using to devastating
00:56:33.700 effect in ukraine that can be lobbed from you know 30 or 40 kilometers out without having to
00:56:38.760 get right over the target like you might have to do with like a a desert storm era gbu right and
00:56:44.900 like the glide bombs are still extremely cheap compared to like a jasm or tomahawk or that new
00:56:51.000 stealth tomahawk that was first debuted, um, on the first day of the conflict as well.
00:56:59.280 Yeah. And the sort of bigger picture thing that I was going to add to that is that sort of my
00:57:03.240 assessment of Iranian air defenses is that they're not, um, certainly not capable of
00:57:08.760 like fully closing the sky and denying the airspace. And obviously they've been having
00:57:13.440 a lot of trouble intercepting, uh, cruise missiles as well, especially, um, stealth ones,
00:57:17.900 But essentially what they can do is create a certain level of risk that will maybe alter the calculus of an adversary.
00:57:26.720 Like they will probably shoot down some U.S. and Israeli aircraft, but not enough to meaningfully affect the outcome.
00:57:33.920 But just enough to sort of negate the don't let them see you that the Trump administration seems to have been pursuing so far.
00:57:45.560 in absolute terms that kind of broke this morning when they admitted to the first
00:57:49.440 casualties yeah so and israel has also lost a couple of medium altitude like uh long endurance
00:57:57.380 drones as well of the i think hermes like 900 series um i don't think we've seen any indication
00:58:04.500 lost manned coalition aircraft nor did we see any evidence of israel losing any jets during the 12
00:58:09.880 day war i think there is a decent possibility that even if this goes on for another like two
00:58:15.240 weeks that the u.s and israel might get through this without losing a single manned strike jet
00:58:19.620 that's um the level of confidence that i have in iranian air defense
00:58:24.920 oh did you see the footage of the reaper firing the hellfire at point blank range that i posted
00:58:35.900 where is that sorry um in the general chat or the voice of uh the server that we're oh okay
00:58:52.060 uh it's age restricted on reddit so i have to work around that for a second
00:59:00.340 uh
00:59:02.520 yeah I think I usually followed on telegram
00:59:05.100 but
00:59:05.820 what?
00:59:09.020 I'm just looking up where Shiraz 0.99
00:59:11.140 is oh wow that's
00:59:12.960 deep it's fairly deep
00:59:14.780 it's a decent ways inland yeah
00:59:16.220 yeah that's uh let me just
00:59:18.540 use the measure distance tool
00:59:20.880 so from the
00:59:21.980 from the coastline that's 200 kilometers
00:59:25.140 now that's uh
00:59:27.400 200
00:59:29.180 kilometers of arid
00:59:31.440 mountainous terrain
00:59:33.360 but that is
00:59:36.000 that is a way
00:59:37.660 that would take you a few
00:59:40.940 that would take you some hours to motorcycle
00:59:43.440 yeah I mean again the mountainous
00:59:47.540 terrain does not confer
00:59:49.300 an absolute positive
00:59:51.720 advantage to the defender in this
00:59:53.460 instance because I mean it might in a ground war
00:59:55.520 but really not in an air war because it's breaking
00:59:57.420 up line of sight for the SAMs so badly
00:59:59.160 so then is the correct move from iran to try and force an escalation into wider regional war 0.93
01:00:08.680 that uh they've sort of already done that right by striking targets in every arab country in the
01:00:16.500 gulf they have gotten those countries to contribute their air and missile defenses to the american
01:00:22.520 cause. Iran just doesn't really have that many allies that it can call upon, right? Like Hezbollah
01:00:29.520 has started launching against Israel, but Hezbollah is somewhat degraded from the state that it was in
01:00:34.100 last year. And even last year, it wasn't really able to force Israeli capitulation. The Hussies
01:00:39.500 have started launching again as well. But again, the Hussies have only had limited resupply
01:00:45.220 I sense a rough rider and they also do not have the capabilities to really go beyond the level
01:00:52.960 of damage that they did last year it's difficult to point out a pause condition for Iran at this 0.99
01:00:59.440 point other than hope that the limited number of casualties that they can inflict from you know
01:01:04.060 short-range ballistic missiles and shaheads against U.S. and allied targets in Bahrain and
01:01:09.100 qatar and the uae can force uh trump to throw in the towel
01:01:14.840 yeah so so my raid would be that like iran iran's two wind conditions would be forcing trump to
01:01:26.980 kind of chicken out and back out or force a ground war of some kind because uh how would
01:01:37.100 what scenario would would do this like are they going to like somehow like
01:01:44.460 march an army into iraq and then kuwait like that that just seems very implausible at this point
01:01:49.400 so there there's kind of a few things like uh if they kill just a bunch of americans for example
01:01:58.840 That could force the ground war that there's presumably a threshold at which America has to respond with something approaching like an Iraq-style ground invasion of some sort.
01:02:22.240 because it's just, it's just too politically intolerable otherwise.
01:02:29.540 Like, if Iran somehow, somehow managed to kill a thousand Americans, for example,
01:02:36.540 there's a point at which the administration loses enough face that has to escalate. 0.69
01:02:44.360 But there's also, like, Iraq basically is Iranian territory
01:02:50.000 in terms of, like, Iraq is run by its Shia militias.
01:02:56.180 You know, George W. Bush killed that country to Iran. 0.66
01:03:01.640 Like, there are a lot of ways for those militias
01:03:06.820 to destabilize other countries in the region.
01:03:11.080 The one that I think of most of all is Jordan. 0.99
01:03:15.400 that basically all of Israel's security depends on the half of Shemites in Jordan staying in charge. 1.00
01:03:25.800 And they're eternally very unstable. 1.00
01:03:31.140 The Jordanian regime has only a few million people in their country.
01:03:40.000 and and and like several million of them are palestinians yeah 9.9 million and then uh
01:03:50.420 some obscene yeah two million of the 9.9 million people in jordan uh 2.1 million are registered
01:04:01.840 Palestinian refugees, which have not been given Jordanian citizenship. 0.97
01:04:08.300 But this is the backbone of Israel's internal security, because as long as the Jordanian
01:04:16.840 remains stable, there's no way for arms, et cetera, to flow into the West Bank, and no 0.87
01:04:25.000 outside force can kind of overthrow the uh the vichy government that the vichy palestinian
01:04:34.640 authority that runs the west bank uh uh if iran can knock off the jordanian government
01:04:43.040 all of a sudden the kind of throat of the israeli state is like heavily destabilized
01:04:53.200 because there's chaos immediately on its border and the chaos immediately on its border flows
01:04:58.480 immediately into the west bank which can't really be secured and uh the west bank where
01:05:04.900 it's close like the west bank immediately borders tel aviv it's like 10 20 kilometers from like the
01:05:13.420 edge of the west bank to uh to the mediterranean and like tel aviv is in that 20 kilometers like 0.86
01:05:21.760 Like, it would seem to me that Iran actually has, like, a fair number of different options to just make the Mideast go nuts. 0.90
01:05:35.320 Beyond that, the seven countries, basically, that Iran has attacked. 0.95
01:05:41.240 We saw this in Qatar. Iran hit a U.S. base. The public in Qatar start cheering and hooting that they love that Iran was hitting U.S. bases.
01:05:58.480 That none of these regimes, it's actually kind of the opposite of what's portrayed to the West.
01:06:06.020 Basically, all the U.S. ally regimes, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, all
01:06:15.800 these are like artificial dictatorships.
01:06:19.080 They're propped up by the U.S. and Israel. 0.83
01:06:21.760 And like the trade flows, they're like, none of them have like a feedback loop through
01:06:26.900 like any democratic system whatsoever.
01:06:29.340 Several, most of them are monarchies.
01:06:32.940 Kuwait is another one.
01:06:35.360 These are the already relatively unstable despised dates of conspiracy theories you like.
01:06:44.560 There's a very good chance that the Las Vegas shooting of that country music concert was part of a wider assassination attempt on Mohammed bin Salman.
01:06:57.320 that uh that the mass shooting was meant as like a cover for an assassination attempt
01:07:04.580 uh the mandalay bay was owned by by prince bin solman and you basically the we have no idea
01:07:16.100 where muhammad bin solman was that night they've never confirmed he was anywhere else and allah
01:07:22.060 Yeah, Tucker Carlson has done an entire expose on this.
01:07:26.420 This is the theory that's built up.
01:07:31.300 But of, like, stability that Saudi Arabia has,
01:07:34.920 that their own millions and, like, 0.99
01:07:39.360 may have started the largest mass shooting in U.S. history
01:07:43.340 as cover for an assassination attempt on who is currently the proud prince of Saudi Arabia.
01:07:49.740 Like, these are not very stable countries without their cash flows, that it's very possible that if the Strait of Hormuzes is shut or the cash flows stop or there's merely malicious and whatnot erupting,
01:08:09.360 that several of these governments could fall without an extraordinary effort on the part of the U.S. to prop them up.
01:08:20.520 I seriously doubt that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or any of these powers
01:08:29.800 are really willing to dedicate any of their militaries to a ground fight in Iraq
01:08:36.320 or elsewhere to try and prop each other up 0.97
01:08:39.460 because they need those molters at home 0.95
01:08:41.560 to control their own populations. 0.99
01:08:44.100 So you mentioned Iran's militias,
01:08:46.860 the Popular Mobilization Front and whatnot in Iraq,
01:08:50.420 and those just have been activated.
01:08:52.400 They've been launching sporadic light drone,
01:08:55.520 mortar RPG, and harassing small arms fire
01:08:59.740 against various U.S. and Allied-related targets in the area,
01:09:07.120 but they seem to be having very limited effect.
01:09:09.520 They certainly can't take the war as far as Jordan,
01:09:12.280 since most of Western Iraq is just open desert,
01:09:15.960 you know, hundreds of miles of desert.
01:09:17.480 And if you try to drive a convoy of technicals from Eastern Iraq,
01:09:22.680 where most of the population is, to Jordan,
01:09:24.540 you will be utterly annihilated by the Israeli Air Force en route.
01:09:27.880 I do agree that Jordan's status as a linchpin of the American and Israeli-led security architecture in the Middle East is, but I see no indication that despite some populist grumbling and distaste for Israel, that the regime may be about to fall.
01:09:47.260 You will remember that during the Arab Spring, that it's the republics of the Middle East, right? It's Syria, it's Libya, it's Tunisia and Egypt that have massive destabilization and public uprisings that lead to the fall of various leaders. But all of the monarchies in the Gulf were essentially fine.
01:10:06.620 There were some minor protests in Bahrain and Qatar, and they were rapidly suppressed because over there, it's the the royal family's extended clan that runs the regime's internal security forces, like literally the family of the of the king or the emir.
01:10:24.300 They have all the guns. It's not like the U.S. where, you know, every random hillbilly has a shed full of AR-15s.
01:10:31.620 Very difficult for popular uprisings to threaten the regime, despite, you know, what may be genuine anger at a policy of supporting the hated Israelis.
01:10:46.320 You will also remember that all of these countries have massive entitlement states for their population, right? 0.63
01:10:53.300 All of these people are getting discounted food, energy, jobs where you don't have to do anything, massive pensions, free health care.
01:10:59.640 They live, you know, first world quality lives and spend most of their time on TikTok.
01:11:03.720 These are not the hardened desert, desert nomads of 1911.
01:11:07.680 They don't have the same will to fight that their great grandparents did.
01:11:11.000 So, you know, they'll complain, they'll, they'll protest, but I can't really see them doing some sort of suicide bomber campaign or massive human wave rushed to take down their hated king.
01:11:29.640 bad isn't it interesting thought again part of this is is uh this is part of my eternal world
01:11:40.380 view is i expect things to be way more kinetic because i have a very kinetic personality and i
01:11:45.320 adjust to uh to like well people just behaved rationally with my model rationality but uh
01:11:54.700 You are very right that whatever you listeners at home may think of Westerners and our propensity to go along with the regime or the government or tyranny, it is nothing compared to what you see in a lot of Middle Eastern countries.
01:12:15.720 Like, uh, like modernity has hit, hit the, uh, the Gulf states, uh, in terms of like
01:12:25.420 hue and cap quality a lot harder than most of the West. 0.98
01:12:30.220 I will say that the Hussies are still real men, like their great grandparents were.
01:12:33.720 They have exceeded all expectations for their willingness and ability to fight. 0.96
01:12:38.300 But, uh, everyone in the Northern Gulf, you know, they spend all their time on, on TikTok
01:12:42.560 and playing Overwatch, right? 0.99
01:12:43.740 Like it's, it's pretty pathetic. 0.91
01:12:45.720 yeah now this is this has been one of the dramatic things it's just how 0.96
01:12:52.480 seemingly everyone but the mass the sunni mainstream in the middle east is vastly harder
01:13:03.380 than the sunni mainstream uh even even the syrian civil war was like driven by odd ethnicities like
01:13:11.780 the Kurds and the Alawites and the Sunni Free Syrian Army and Al-Qaeda and Al-Nushra and ISIS
01:13:26.180 and all that, a lot of them had to be backed or funded by the Americans and Israelis.
01:13:35.940 And, you know, they had the entire Sunni world to draw from.
01:13:41.780 and still 1.00
01:13:43.320 injures from like Farmingham
01:13:45.620 and stuff were becoming prominent
01:13:47.260 fighters and
01:13:49.520 that 0.86
01:13:51.600 that half insane 0.99
01:13:54.040 European converts 1.00
01:13:55.740 were like
01:13:57.480 a significant force
01:13:59.440 in their
01:14:00.340 geopolitical maneuvers
01:14:02.860 did you hear
01:14:05.320 in Texas
01:14:06.320 no I did not
01:14:09.520 nothing beyond
01:14:10.480 like a shooting at a bar in austin yes so the perpetrator was a man named nadiaga
01:14:18.820 who is an immigrant from senegal the fbi has is starting to investigate potential links to
01:14:28.300 terrorism that he might have screamed allahu akbar and waved an iranian flag before he opened fire
01:14:32.840 it might have been a uh homegrown terrorist that was well not homegrown he's an immigrant but uh
01:14:39.440 It might have been an incident where our actions abroad have catalyzed Iranian sympathetic militants at home to start some limited. 0.87
01:14:53.880 The Senegalese are the ones who have to fight for the fight, the great Satan for Islam. 0.85
01:15:04.780 None of the people who actually live in Mecca would ever do that. 0.98
01:15:09.440 it's indeed quite quite a crazy story given that how uh senegal under you know hundreds
01:15:18.380 of years of french rule um became largely christian
01:15:22.220 sorry i'm thinking of a different country senegal is mostly muslim okay okay i was gonna say if this
01:15:34.540 is a story about a senegalese christian who converted to islam that that's very embarrassing
01:15:40.620 for the muslim for the arab world but uh but no that that is interesting in terms of
01:15:52.780 so the wider four or five way uh great power contest going on on now uh
01:16:02.780 uh you already mentioned it the uh the cold war with china and i in russia's already come up uh
01:16:12.580 so my read read on like the state of geopolitics i have this theory
01:16:18.160 uh i call the old man's knife fighting club that uh all the great powers are like
01:16:25.260 very
01:16:29.260 very
01:16:30.400 stability of their own governments
01:16:33.780 if they are involved in a
01:16:35.580 great war or like
01:16:37.420 even just a medium
01:16:39.480 war like the
01:16:40.580 Franco-Prussian War
01:16:43.660 or the
01:16:44.340 U.S. Civil War
01:16:46.880 or war between
01:16:48.840 or any
01:16:50.380 historically early standard
01:16:52.980 The Korean War, or any of these great power wars that have been centered,
01:17:01.080 seemingly none of China, U.S., and certainly not the EU,
01:17:09.440 confident in their own internal stability to fight a medium or great war.
01:17:20.320 that Russia's strategy in Ukraine has been seemingly to drag out the war as long as possible
01:17:27.380 and hope that they win by default when something else happens.
01:17:36.040 China seems in no rush at all to retake Taiwan.
01:17:41.240 The Middle East, every actor in the Middle East has seemingly been trying to really avoid an escalation. 0.57
01:17:47.480 And, like, presumably Iran is kicking itself now that they could have, you know, they could have been having this, like, major missile war back in, like, 2024, yeah, 2024, 2023, when Syria was still intact, when Syria was still under Assad, when Hezbollah still had their full strength,
01:18:13.840 and when Gaza was still, like, very kinetic and Hamas had not been defeated yet,
01:18:21.620 that they probably would be much, much referred to be having this war back then
01:18:28.600 when they had all those other options on the table as opposed to now.
01:18:33.400 But they were also playing this old man's knife fighting game
01:18:36.800 where they weren't quite that confident in their own internal stability
01:18:40.540 or in their own internal economics,
01:18:43.640 and they were hoping that if they waited,
01:18:46.320 the war would happen somewhere else first.
01:18:50.580 And the...
01:18:53.660 Psych is, if you think of old men in a knife fight,
01:18:58.040 how do old men knife fight? 0.99
01:19:00.340 Well, they stand off and occasionally take a swing at each other 0.51
01:19:03.920 but really don't want to get in a grapple or anything like that
01:19:08.500 Because even if you're an old man and you win a knife fight, you know, you get stabbed once, that wound probably is never going to heal. 0.96
01:19:16.980 Because you're an old man, you don't heal well at all. 1.00
01:19:19.180 You'll probably die of sepsis of, like, the wounds you sustain.
01:19:23.620 So the state of world geopolitics, my model of it is that the U.S. is declining.
01:19:32.080 Everyone knows that it's relatively declining in terms of economics and its demographics.
01:19:37.500 and everything else and so at the same time all these other powers that are like also internally
01:19:45.360 weak and like don't really want to get stuck in in or getting bald in anything hoping someone else
01:19:51.440 will be the hoping that the if the world crisis happens will be somewhere else uh at the same
01:19:59.480 time the u.s is like trying to shore up the dollar and uh its authority by by chasing a bunch of easy
01:20:07.140 When Venezuela is the most obvious one word, you shore up your authority, you bring a bunch of the world's oil back under the U.S. dollar system, and you spook everyone else into not messing with you in a way that might threaten U.S. interest rates or the debts or, like, cause or threaten to cause inflation.
01:20:32.220 so in this model that I have where everyone's just waiting and hoping that the great crash
01:20:45.400 out will happen somewhere else it seemed to me that both Russia and China really wanted
01:20:53.780 the crash out to happen on each other's border like China it seemed would have really liked for
01:21:00.260 russia to the war in ukraine to ask escalate in the all their rivals to be fighting russia
01:21:09.160 and and russia would have really liked it to happen in the strait of taiwan uh
01:21:17.100 and iran seemed to be the one place that like the other actors kind of didn't want to happen
01:21:25.100 China obviously depends on
01:21:27.280 and Russia, you know, if Iran goes
01:21:32.260 down and is like internally destabilized
01:21:36.900 and it becomes a basket case country, Iran is like 0.92
01:21:40.840 really close to Chechnya and a ton of other
01:21:45.020 parts of Russian territory and former Russian territory
01:21:49.180 that all suddenly all of
01:21:52.880 Russia's southern border problems and security risks. 0.96
01:21:58.100 All of a sudden, those become, like, major concerns of Iran's, you know, another Iraq, 1.00
01:22:03.960 that all those Chechens could go, could be buying up a ton of equipment very cheaply 0.98
01:22:10.480 if anything happens to Iran.
01:22:12.400 So how much are, like, Russian China, do you have any comment on it?
01:22:20.940 and how much are Russian-China dedicating resources to keeping Iran online?
01:22:26.300 What do you think?
01:22:28.860 So the Chinese do appear to be doing some intelligence sharing with the Iranians.
01:22:34.260 They did this quite publicly before the war kicked off
01:22:36.980 by publishing satellite imagery of where U.S. aircraft were on various bases.
01:22:43.680 They put out a few various things that have been hit since it started.
01:22:48.820 On the sort of big geopolitical chess game vis-a-vis Russia, if Iran goes south, it does potentially create a nasty security situation not too far away from them, albeit one that Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia all have to put up with first. 0.53
01:23:04.820 But one more immediate effect is they would make a killing on the oil market in the short term. 0.70
01:23:09.960 that much is true and it also diverts u.s and eu surface-to-air missile production
01:23:18.440 to the middle east to shore up their own installations rather than donating these
01:23:24.120 things to ukraine so in the short term if iran can survive like the next few months
01:23:29.740 russia may be an actual winner and especially if iran's need to massively increase its cadence
01:23:38.720 of arms purchases from russia after all of this ends if they can serve
01:23:43.360 in terms of the logistics of like iran actually like securing arms of my impression is it's way
01:23:56.260 easier for them to get arms from russia than from china uh like russia there's about like
01:24:02.780 three or four land routes that go through through very stan countries that uh the u.s
01:24:11.900 really doesn't have much control to like stop shipments and like well they literally share
01:24:17.820 a border on the caspian sea russia can just ship stuff on like a container terminal to iran through
01:24:23.380 the caspian sea that literally would be very difficult to interdict um china presumably
01:24:30.520 they would just go through russia i i don't think that the u.s could really stop china from
01:24:34.300 seriously delivering quantities of equipment if the chinese wanted to uh during a time of peace
01:24:40.260 well this is the the thing with during a time of time of peace it might not be that difficult but 0.58
01:24:46.780 uh if you actually look at like the chinese the chinese border regions like going through
01:24:53.860 through uh zhizhang or
01:24:57.860 a russia schistically hard thing to do uh i i encourage listeners at home to like google maps
01:25:07.300 the road routes uh from china through khalikstan to russia and that's like
01:25:13.700 uh it's not quite it's certainly not as bad as it was in the 2000s when uh
01:25:22.080 if you watch the motorcycle movie long way around with uh you
01:25:26.040 mcgregor and where they cycled again in mongolia and it was like
01:25:34.260 at multiple points had to like dig their way through through the countryside it's not
01:25:42.860 not that bad but i wouldn't if i was chinese i wouldn't really want to ship sensitive equipment 1.00
01:25:52.080 I'll have her out. 1.00
01:25:54.140 Well, in practice, virtually everything would go by rail,
01:25:57.100 and the railway network is pretty reliable.
01:25:59.920 Yeah, or by air.
01:26:01.180 There have been limited numbers in Chinese from their state-owned cargo lines
01:26:07.740 in the last few weeks, obviously stopping right now
01:26:11.340 since they don't want to get there destroyed on the ground.
01:26:13.900 But the general point is that the type of equipment that would matter
01:26:17.040 for this sort of aero-naval war against the U.S.
01:26:20.680 cannot really be directly integrated into the Iranian
01:26:24.040 sort of forces in the field within a time frame that is useful, right?
01:26:31.480 Like to train Iranians to use a brand new Chinese architecture 0.99
01:26:35.120 surface air missile launcher would take months, 0.86
01:26:37.800 and Iran does not have months to do that.
01:26:41.040 I'd say probably a minimum of a year. 0.65
01:26:43.180 That's about how long it took the Soviets
01:26:45.740 to wind up the integrated air defense system in North Vietnam.
01:26:48.760 um yeah um i think the iranians might be able to do a tiny bit better than that since
01:26:53.540 both chinese and their own systems are derived from uh those you know 80s and 70s era soviet
01:27:01.080 systems but um they wouldn't be going in completely green like the vietnamese were
01:27:06.140 but uh yeah it cannot be done so i suppose the next question is why doesn't iran already have
01:27:14.900 have this uh capability it would seem that like you know the 12-day war was last june
01:27:23.680 uh it would seem they've had like like seven plus months to like
01:27:31.000 to get a lot of this going and it's not like it's not like this has been an unknown problem
01:27:38.280 that, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu has been talking about
01:27:43.160 overthrowing Iran since the 80s.
01:27:48.560 I think my short answer is that Iran is just a poor country, right? 0.50
01:27:52.980 They have a very limited ability to generate the foreign exchange reserves
01:27:56.860 necessary to pay for these things.
01:27:58.680 And their own population demands substantial subsidies
01:28:01.760 in terms of energy and fuel, right?
01:28:03.960 One of the big reasons that the riot has kicked off the military
01:28:07.460 The new Iranian government, under President Khashnikan, wanted to somewhat cut Iran's energy subsidies to, you know, consumers and small businesses in order to free up more funding for these sorts of defense and industrial related spending items.
01:28:24.860 But the population decided to riot, of course, potentially instigated by foreign actors.
01:28:29.840 But the amount of money in Iran's system to be able to pay for these things is just extremely limited.
01:28:37.460 my eyes nearly popped out of my skull a while ago and i found out how cheap the subsidized
01:28:42.380 gasoline is anyway yeah it's crazy right is the subsized gasoline in turin the equivalent is
01:28:49.540 between one and three cents a liter depending who you are yeah oh so they're like actually
01:28:56.720 literally just giving it to them basically it's oh nearly free yes
01:29:00.980 and this creates like massive over consumption right like if you're if something is massively
01:29:06.860 over subsidized people are going to use it way more than if it was at a market clearing price
01:29:12.840 um yeah like if you have like some business making venture that you can make like two cents worth
01:29:20.200 the product once for that one cent worth of gasoline like you're going to you you're going
01:29:27.460 to be like burning all the gasoline you can to create like two cent products that can't justify
01:29:34.240 the burning of the gasoline, like, according to internal economics, that's, that's insane.
01:29:45.340 This is, this is, again, one of those things that, like, we, we don't appreciate here in 0.90
01:29:52.040 the West, like, we, like, obviously, we hate our own economy because it's so screwed up 0.96
01:29:57.520 like uh you know white men aren't allowed to have jobs or jobs doing anything important 0.91
01:30:06.160 because you have to hire someone to ink confident but like almost every other country in the world 0.98
01:30:13.200 has something like equally insane and retarded economically they're like uh you know we we pay 0.98
01:30:20.720 gasoline taxes you know we assume that the gases can be more expensive than did you than the 1.00
01:30:29.420 economics actually demand uh whereas like like the amount of gibbs that uh the the brown third world 1.00
01:30:38.900 uh demands ongoingly is totally incredible it's funny because venezuela had a very similar system 1.00
01:30:48.600 Right. Like much of the third world is indeed the beneficiary of these absurd energy subsidies.
01:30:55.260 And by spending that much money on these things, they don't have that many options for financing, you know, massive investment in productive enterprises or weapons from abroad.
01:31:06.560 And the amount of that they have spent on Russian weapons was largely misallocated.
01:31:11.240 There was a recent delivery of MI-28 heavy attack gunships from Russia to Iran.
01:31:18.560 And that's the type of weapon system that is just utterly useless in this kind of fight.
01:31:22.520 If they attempted to deploy that sort of system against, say, U.S. bases in Bahrain or Qatar,
01:31:30.000 they'd get shot down before they even made it to the coast. 0.80
01:31:33.820 The one potential use for this kind of thing is giving it to the IRGC
01:31:37.420 so that if the armored divisions of the Iranian regular army decided to revolt against the regime,
01:31:42.860 then the IRGC would have a very potent anti-tank asset to uh to attack the regular army with but
01:31:49.560 fortunately for them this scenario has not really happened yet or it's about silver of
01:31:56.220 internal counterinsurgency campaign yeah i would even say counterinsurgency because like you don't
01:32:02.620 need a in a very modern gunship to deal with um you know militants with ak's hiding in the hills
01:32:09.080 the only real use case
01:32:11.820 for something this advanced is to
01:32:13.900 engage like the upgraded
01:32:16.100 M60 and chieftain tanks of like
01:32:18.160 the army
01:32:18.740 so
01:32:23.940 so going through we've covered
01:32:27.960 like the broad sweeps of the
01:32:30.000 geostrategics
01:32:31.740 the or
01:32:33.460 the missile war
01:32:35.840 um
01:32:36.740 what Iran can do if
01:32:40.960 a big concern for the 0.95
01:32:45.780 U.S. and I suppose given what you've said
01:32:49.740 kind of the determining factor of this is going to be to
01:32:53.640 what extent the U.S. can degrade 0.51
01:32:56.680 Iran's missiles and launchers 0.94
01:33:00.240 before Iran degrades
01:33:04.580 the U.S. intercept
01:33:06.740 Scepter stockpile.
01:33:09.640 That's going to be the back and forth of this week.
01:33:15.320 What are...
01:33:17.000 Do you guys have any speculation on scenarios?
01:33:23.460 As...
01:33:24.740 Not necessarily, like, your predictions,
01:33:27.440 but just, like, interesting scenarios
01:33:29.460 you think would highlight dynamics.
01:33:33.860 I'm mainly just...
01:33:35.800 Go on.
01:33:36.740 Oh, sorry. One thing that pro-Iranian commentators have speculated on is how vulnerable some of
01:33:45.860 civil infrastructure, just as how pro-Russian commentators have been asking Putin to
01:33:52.400 unleash the VKS on Iran, not sorry, on Ukraine's 750 kilowatt power transformers for, you know,
01:34:01.760 two years now, and he's finally doing it. Israel depends on a handful of power plants,
01:34:06.360 ports, and water filtration centers. If those can be meaningfully suppressed,
01:34:10.980 then Israel becomes rapidly unlivable, and potentially they may attempt to sue for peace. 0.91
01:34:18.100 I do not think that Iran has the coordination and the missile stockpile necessary to completely 0.84
01:34:27.600 achieve this objective within, you know, the next few weeks. But if they could outperform 0.96
01:34:33.060 expectations by, you know, less than 50 percent, 150 percent, then they could do meaningful damage
01:34:39.820 there. Their targets in the Middle East are interesting in the sense that right now places
01:34:46.580 like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar are places for the global elite to park capital and their
01:34:53.980 fail sons, right?
01:34:58.320 But if there is a preference cascade where all of these locations become considered unsafe
01:35:05.480 for money and, you know, wealthy hedonists, then the revenue streams and the ability of
01:35:14.260 these countries to continue refinancing debt might come into doubt.
01:35:17.940 so um there is some potential even if you know blowings has zero actual strategic value in the
01:35:26.160 short term yeah no uh targeting tourists has been the traditional way of just destroying a place's
01:35:36.780 uh economic viability this is why occasionally a cartel war it'll ask late to the
01:35:43.880 You know, if they go after the tourists, they're, like, trying to poison the entire region for future revenue.
01:35:55.940 This happened to Acapulco at one point in Mexico.
01:36:00.860 That was once one of the tourist capitals of the world and then all suddenly became the murder capital of the world.
01:36:08.040 uh and that would make make sense naively listeners might and i would think that uh these
01:36:20.000 countries well they have all their oil revenue you know surely can they can take the hit but
01:36:24.420 obviously not because they're subsidizing their population so much and their their clan structures
01:36:30.820 security forces are like getting subsidized even more so you know every cousin needs x amount of
01:36:38.260 money to remain loyal you know all these all these princes have a thousand a thousand cousins
01:36:45.580 who all need to be bought off to be loyal to the prince um the other related to your israel scenario
01:36:56.100 It is very telling where the USS Gerald R. Ford is parked after its bathroom break in Greece.
01:37:06.000 It's parked right off Israel in the Mediterranean.
01:37:10.680 And naively, you know, you think, why is it there?
01:37:15.380 Why isn't it on station in the Indian Ocean where it can hit Iran?
01:37:19.840 You know, flying the thousand plus kilometer distance from the Mediterranean to Iran is burning most of your fuel.
01:37:36.400 Like you can't really hit much of that range without hitting your bingo point and having to turn back.
01:37:44.820 Why is it there?
01:37:45.600 Well, it's there because all the entire strike group is basically to help intercept missiles headed towards Israel.
01:37:55.360 That this is how much the entire mission is deterred by Israel's geostrategic concerns
01:38:05.800 that half the strike groups in the theater are dedicated to just interceptions of hits on Israel.
01:38:12.020 which uh you know obviously is not at all in u.s in u.s interests in regards to like any
01:38:23.720 geostrategic concern or you know if you thought that this was war was dedicated
01:38:29.740 to propping up the petrodollar or america's geopolitical position position you know you'd
01:38:36.380 want both those on station to strike Iran and win that battle against Iran. Yet one of them
01:38:42.900 is just like babysitting America's number one liability. There are U.S. aircraft in Jordan
01:38:53.860 and Israel itself that would be covered by defensive assets off the coast of Israel. So
01:39:00.620 there is a tactical rationale, but I do agree that the defense of Israel has indeed become
01:39:08.400 a U.S. political priority that exceeds any such tactical value.
01:39:14.360 And I was actually going to mention before in the sort of early summary business that
01:39:19.000 one consequence of the U.S. effectively abandoning its bases along the Persian Gulf and in that
01:39:25.780 sort of area a week ago prior to this operation is that uh missions for this campaign are being
01:39:31.980 flown pretty distant bases and there are over in theater supporting that but the sortie rate
01:39:39.620 per aircraft is going to necessarily be lower than in a lot of previous wars interesting i did see
01:39:46.220 that in the first 12 hours the u.s flew 900 sorties and israel flew 600 which would mean
01:39:51.800 that if the tempo was maintained, then they largely matched or exceeded the first day of
01:39:57.040 Operation Desert Storm with only half the number of combat aircraft. So as of right now, the sortie
01:40:02.220 rate is still high. But as, you know, constant combat operations continue, it may drop over time.
01:40:09.480 I suspect it will after an initial surge, but it is an impressive figure so far.
01:40:13.860 yeah for for you listeners at home him the only vehicle you might have interacted with really is
01:40:23.340 your car uh airplanes airplanes and aircraft especially like uh their lifespan is like um
01:40:36.280 um similar to jet skis or like probably even even worse in terms of like how many hours you expect
01:40:44.560 to ever get out of them and how often you have to perform maintenance on them for um after use like
01:40:53.240 like like how many sorties could you get out of a modern aircraft without having to like perform
01:41:01.780 some significant maintenance on it uh are we talking like a depot level maintenance or are
01:41:06.980 we talking about like the deep flight checks uh i i'm assuming like something something going wrong
01:41:17.140 and then you know maybe repair it on at the air base or like uh on the carrier but like
01:41:26.180 Taken out of action for, like, 48 hours or so while you perform their fare.
01:41:33.620 I think that heavily depends on the type, right?
01:41:36.120 Like, newer aircraft like the F-22 are much more maintenance-heavy than tried-and-tested aircraft like the F-16.
01:41:44.640 Although the F-16 fleet is approaching, like, something like, on average, 30 years old.
01:41:51.180 And so some of these aircraft have already long exceeded their airframe design life.
01:41:55.740 I'm sure that Goppy can speak more to about that.
01:42:00.020 A little bit at least.
01:42:01.260 I certainly know that the Wild Weasel squadrons that are in theater
01:42:04.400 are mostly still operating the F-16 CJ,
01:42:07.420 which was a system that was put together in the late 90s
01:42:11.380 and I think first used in Operation Allied Force,
01:42:15.620 definitely in the invasion of Iraq,
01:42:17.160 but it's the same airframes that flew those missions.
01:42:19.460 They have been upgraded internally, of course,
01:42:22.080 but they are physically old.
01:42:23.280 it's uh oftentimes literally the jet of your father or your grandfather that uh current
01:42:29.580 pilots are flying in today but um goppy did you also hear about the angry kitten pod
01:42:34.480 negative this is very interesting it's the new electronic warfare pod developed by a team from
01:42:43.360 and by georgia tech um in which originally they wanted to simulate uh a j-15 which is warfare
01:42:52.520 fighter during an air exercise somewhere out in the Nevada desert. And by creating a pod to
01:43:00.840 simulate the J-15D in combat, they realized it would be really nice to actually have this for
01:43:05.800 the U.S. And so they rushed it into production. And I believe it is in use over Iran as of right
01:43:12.540 now. Interesting. The only other thing I was going to mention in terms of airframe life is that
01:43:19.160 probably a little bit over half
01:43:21.120 at least of the tanker
01:43:22.820 that are
01:43:24.720 still
01:43:27.420 which are also coming to the very
01:43:29.140 tail end of their service lives at the moment
01:43:31.040 generally expected to be retired in the next few years
01:43:33.320 the newest ones of those
01:43:35.300 were built in 1965
01:43:36.940 yeah this is
01:43:39.340 and the oldest ones were built in like the
01:43:41.220 mid-50s this is like an Eisenhower era
01:43:43.220 platform
01:43:43.760 which somehow outlived
01:43:47.180 the KC-10s
01:43:49.160 bizarre uh the new kc-46 pegasus um based on the 767 chassis which is you know not actually that
01:43:57.800 new has been very temperamental and uh gone through developmental health despite being
01:44:02.920 a conceptually simple tanker yeah which is why the kc-135s are being stretched so far
01:44:08.760 oh that means that the u.s can't force is still by far the most potent
01:44:19.800 Oh, sorry.
01:44:23.080 Oh, I just wanted to say that the U.S. and its allies still maintain by far the most potent tanker force on the planet, far outstretching the Russians or Chinese, who have a much higher ratio, like fighters and strike aircraft to enabler.
01:44:37.720 nearly backbone of of uh all warfare issues how efficiently and convolutively you can ferry fuel
01:44:53.140 uh you preppers at home stock up on jerry cans uh that that's the thing that's actually going
01:45:00.940 to grant you tons of capability
01:45:02.660 in any
01:45:06.560 war
01:45:08.500 scenario.
01:45:10.960 But just
01:45:11.220 how will you
01:45:13.540 fuel?
01:45:18.760 Guys, are you still there?
01:45:21.400 Yeah, definitely.
01:45:23.100 Yep.
01:45:24.080 Sorry.
01:45:26.480 I think my audio cut out
01:45:28.480 a little bit, but
01:45:30.240 so so we've covered the broad scheme of the war we've covered some various technical angles
01:45:40.460 uh to get your one of the things i want to dive dive into but didn't want you at the start
01:45:47.120 is these decapitation strikes uh this is this is
01:45:53.400 Then Tredinger Nono have a great power conflict.
01:45:59.520 Famously, Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo forbade his men to aim for Napoleon himself when he came into change.
01:46:10.560 The famous line of the movie Waterloo, generals have better things to do than shoot at each other.
01:46:19.340 Which is of course an actual Wellington quote or like a modified version.
01:46:23.400 version of a wanting quote, but this has traditionally been, like, one of the no-nos of international
01:46:31.400 politics, is that you don't try to assassinate the leadership of other countries. Even World
01:46:37.400 War II, there weren't spots to the heads of states of each other's country. Churchill
01:46:47.660 didn't even, like,
01:46:51.400 refuse to communicate with
01:46:52.880 some
01:46:54.360 ever
01:46:55.180 who proposed
01:46:59.400 an assassination of Hitler.
01:47:04.000 And this just
01:47:05.220 has not been done.
01:47:07.480 And, of course, there's an odd
01:47:08.520 reason to it. It's because
01:47:10.960 the political classes of various countries,
01:47:13.520 that sort cuts both
01:47:15.260 ways. You know, it's very easy
01:47:17.340 to it's a relatively cheap thing to do to try and like uh have an assassin shoot 0.98
01:47:24.100 a head of state or like try to blow up a head of state with a a drone or like use an ied or
01:47:31.600 something else to try and take take out a problem ahead of state especially if you're in an open
01:47:36.120 society uh like normally you'd think that totalitarian heads of state or state of like
01:47:45.220 authoritarian countries would because they have a larger security force they'd be more willing to
01:47:50.140 gamble on assassination but traditionally they haven't either and yet and now we've seen the u.s
01:47:56.060 and israel uh over the past like three years assassinate negotiators at conferences uh use
01:48:04.280 use negotiations as cover to like launch an assassination attempt there's some speculation
01:48:11.120 that uh there's an assassination a drone strike aimed at one of putin's residences that allegedly
01:48:18.440 according to someone's reading of the event and or right erring a phone call between trump and
01:48:27.020 and putin that there was some speculation that uh that stage of the endless negotiations on
01:48:33.040 ukraine was time to get putin in like a pre-known position so that strike could happen
01:48:40.540 or at least that's what the assassins maybe wanted Putin to think, think from it, that
01:48:48.960 these decapitation strikes seem incredibly, like, escalatory in the, like, relation of
01:49:00.700 world politics and i can't think of like a set of targets that was like less worth the the attempt
01:49:12.600 uh what do you think so i think so it's the go ahead all right so the i think that there
01:49:22.540 has been like any taboo on assassinations of heads of state that may have existed say
01:49:30.380 before the second half of the 20th century has pretty much worn down pretty effectively now
01:49:35.720 what has been a more recent trend is actual success in doing it because it has been something
01:49:42.140 that's proven fairly difficult over the years the united states first tried to kill saddam hussein
01:49:47.500 during the gulf war and made many attempts to do so again right up through the beginning of the
01:49:53.820 invasion of iraq in 2003 12 years later and in the end only captured him several months after
01:49:59.680 the conventional phase of that war ended all the attempts to kill fidel castro are fairly well
01:50:04.600 known as are the attempts allegedly by the soviets to kill tito and yugoslavia so
01:50:09.840 yeah the north korea is broken down but the north korean famously sent a kill team to try
01:50:17.420 to kill park chong he and south korea as well um i think the era in which heads of state didn't try
01:50:23.260 to kill each other was a very distinct period of medieval christian european norms and in every
01:50:30.540 part of the world before and after that there existed no such taboo right like honestly alexander
01:50:37.620 the great's theory of victory during all of his battles with the achaemenid persian empire was to
01:50:43.300 go straight for darius at the head of his uh his body of companion cavalry lancers um the romans
01:50:49.580 had no compunction going after enemy generals as well. I think Trump in particular, after being
01:50:56.160 on the receiving ends of multiple assassination attempts, and one case where a man trained and
01:51:03.780 funded by the IRGC reportedly paid hitmen to go after Trump, although this did not result in a
01:51:10.800 shooting. Trump has basically felt that the gloves are off in this regard, and he will absolutely
01:51:17.660 after anyone because he thinks that the norms have already been violated by the assassination
01:51:22.440 on his own life which if i was in his position i you know i would believe that to be fully
01:51:27.980 understandable he's also working alongside the israelis who are quite good at this sort of thing
01:51:33.880 yeah the kill chain their intelligence apparatus for liquidating high value targets a second to
01:51:40.000 on even if they have some trouble turning that uh dead enemy high value targets into
01:51:47.740 meaningful strategic results yeah so this is this is the thing with uh the
01:51:55.760 killing of iranian leadership during during both this and the previous uh conflicts is that
01:52:05.620 The entire Iranian government seems highly redundant in people.
01:52:11.180 It actually seems like most of the top people in the Iranian government are where they are because they're expendable.
01:52:21.340 that a lot of the, like, senior positions in Iran
01:52:27.400 seem to be reserved as, like, honorary positions
01:52:31.960 for, like, relatively old men
01:52:35.680 who are not necessary to the actual functioning of the state. 0.99
01:52:45.020 One of the targets that...
01:52:46.780 You can say that about the U.S. as well.
01:52:48.500 yes very much so uh mind you actually if trump
01:52:55.540 actually arguably the senile old men are instructional in the u.s does the senile old
01:53:04.020 men who who need uh israeli money on their election campaigns and like party with epstein
01:53:11.780 in the 90s and 2000s like if they go there could be massive policy policy shifts in the u.s
01:53:18.260 Whereas I suppose the assassination of this prick will probably, well, almost certainly cause policy shifts in Iran, but it seems less structural to Iran's geopolitical position than having Trump or McConnell or Lindy or all these aging figures in the U.S. system are to the U.S. political continuity.
01:53:48.260 I do think that the assassination of senior leaders within Iran's defense hierarchy has made their campaign against the U.S. and its allies more uncoordinated than it otherwise would be.
01:54:00.740 The Iranians are launching sporadically at, you know, at Israel, at Bahrain, at Qatar, at Kuwait, at the UAE, at Saudi Arabia, et cetera, instead of focusing their efforts on one target at a time in a way that would create the massive total weight of their salvo against a limited missile defense defense system to overwhelm it.
01:54:21.140 And this is because, I believe, the Iranian leadership, defense leadership, specifically their chief of general staff, their defense minister, you know, who have all been killed in the last 48 hours, and their staffs have not been able to coordinate this properly.
01:54:36.160 So the individual battalion and brigade level commanders in the field who are ordering these missile launches are doing so without direction from a higher level HQ and as such are wasting much of the potential of their salvos.
01:54:48.260 interesting i i would have thought that that would be um relatively pre-planned like uh
01:54:59.540 like whether or not you would or wouldn't go after the uae or uh bahrain or uh qatar
01:55:08.740 that that would have been like um it's something pre-planned or like scenario
01:55:14.860 So, ta-da, that just, like, you know, more planned art.
01:55:19.540 I think the planning definitely helps for the first, like, you know, 48 hours of a conflict.
01:55:23.980 And we're still, like, essentially in that phase.
01:55:26.560 But after that, without battle damage assessment and level planning strikes have actually managed to achieve,
01:55:37.200 then executing the pre-war plan, you know, by the book doesn't really add that much value.
01:55:41.980 You need leaders to reconsider what sort of effects are going on.
01:55:46.400 What sort of effects do we want to generate?
01:55:48.460 How can we use remaining forces to execute those?
01:55:50.900 And so by a certain point, just reading the book.
01:55:58.240 Yes, I miss it.
01:56:00.240 And I want to emphasize this to anyone listening.
01:56:03.880 This is where it's really important to have like set infrastructure for stuff like motorcycle
01:56:11.240 carrots and whatnot that uh it's very easy to lose uh communication uh during strikes like
01:56:20.540 this and you within 24 hours you should be able to re-establish those communications and plans via
01:56:29.220 via just physically delivering messages which is if nothing else if nothing else is working or you
01:56:39.100 get jammed or ship has has been taken out like you should you should be able to do it redundantly
01:56:48.640 with sheets of paper if if necessary this is one of my eternal necks is that uh that modern
01:56:57.180 militaries have forgotten how to do things old school and so something like this happens and
01:57:02.560 And it takes them, you know, days on end to figure out something that militaries in World War I could have done in hours.
01:57:17.380 A lot of the air tasking orders for Operation Desert Storm were delivered on paper by hand, albeit they were flown from place to place rather than transported by road, because there just wasn't enough secure bandwidth at the time to transmit it.
01:57:30.800 Yeah, the early SACCOM system of the 90s just couldn't handle operational planning of that stuff.
01:57:38.140 And we didn't have the landlines that NATO command had in Europe that we would have used for communication.
01:57:46.200 There definitely is room for couriers.
01:57:48.960 Are you guys all familiar with the millennial challenge of, I think, 2002?
01:57:55.500 Yes, this is legendary.
01:57:57.200 uh i i've been looking for like a paper summary uh of the of the full thing like an in-depth
01:58:06.020 uh reads read truth of it like
01:58:11.460 ever or found it if you let us at home i can look for that but um the general principle
01:58:22.920 300 page summary, I would read all 300 pages.
01:58:29.720 Yeah, I think there's like a Reddit interpretation that the Red Force player, I think General Van Ripper of the Marine Corps, it's funny, his name is literally General Ripper, outplayed the Blue Force by using all of these asymmetric techniques.
01:58:48.380 and used information that he shouldn't have had
01:58:53.880 and put missiles onto platforms
01:58:56.060 that shouldn't have supported them
01:58:57.080 and got like a sort of unearned victory.
01:59:00.360 But there is some wisdom in using these couriers,
01:59:03.460 flags, lights, smoke signals,
01:59:05.780 even like religious sermons from minarets
01:59:07.900 to convey information
01:59:09.880 that in a way that cannot be interdicted
01:59:14.020 by even the most sophisticated of air campaigns.
01:59:18.380 yeah uh there's been there's been a number of like okay so i just found a 700 page report on
01:59:29.160 this i'll transmit it to you immediately amazing you won't print it out and deliver it by hand
01:59:35.620 uh yeah i'll buy a motorcycle and drive all the way up to canada to hand it to kulak
01:59:40.440 amazing get staff at the border why do you have this military summary
01:59:46.000 uh that'd be an interesting conversation but uh no one of the things that i've been
01:59:54.380 been uh like kind of obsessed with in back my head and i've never seen seen like explored
02:00:05.120 is a visual digital communication uh so like obviously if you think of um
02:00:13.240 like one of the classic ways to communicate in war like going back to the 19th century is just
02:00:20.140 a visual communication uh uh like flex eggs on
02:00:27.240 legs others you know you combine that with some some musical communication and you can direct
02:00:39.080 entire army like basically instantaneously across um you know several kilometers but uh one of the
02:00:47.580 things
02:00:47.880 jumps out here if you think is that this has not been scaled up so in so landline communication
02:01:00.240 like actually laying out wires uh this is a backbone of the germans in world war ii's they'd
02:01:05.620 actually have a guy with a spool of wire like going up between between positions like dynamically
02:01:12.320 laying down wire so that uh so that the the various fighting positions could communicate via phone
02:01:20.460 in the field um if you've seen enemy of the at the gates uh you'll remember there's a scene that
02:01:28.120 runs around this this struggle to lay out these these communication wires from fighting positions
02:01:33.740 so that you could
02:01:34.480 communicate in real time
02:01:35.880 but uh
02:01:37.400 the only scene with any
02:01:38.320 historical
02:01:39.400 value
02:01:40.680 very much so
02:01:44.520 but uh
02:01:47.580 but like one of the things
02:01:51.620 that's never really scaled
02:01:53.220 is they never scaled
02:01:54.040 the visual communication
02:01:55.140 uh
02:01:55.960 if you think about it
02:01:57.260 like um
02:01:58.180 just
02:01:58.880 just a um
02:02:01.760 like fiber optics
02:02:03.340 the speed of light you have like traveling well we have another way to communicate at the speed
02:02:08.260 of light without a cable and that's just like a sheet that you hold up a sheet of paper with
02:02:16.080 words on and you read it at distance through like binoculars or what have have you that station
02:02:22.220 that was communicated at the speed of light you know you're writing it at the speed of light but
02:02:26.680 it was communicated at the speed of light.
02:02:28.660 Presumably, there should be a way
02:02:30.720 to like
02:02:31.360 have like a
02:02:34.240 semi-lit or like relatively
02:02:36.460 unlit display
02:02:38.620 that would be like QR
02:02:40.600 codes or what have you.
02:02:43.860 Have you done that?
02:02:44.540 Right now, the DOD uses
02:02:46.620 laser communications between various
02:02:48.500 platforms, which is
02:02:49.380 sort of this
02:02:52.100 but with a higher
02:02:53.800 there are satellites as
02:02:56.420 part of the sda proliferative warfighter space architecture are using lasers to achieve a 2.5
02:03:03.100 gigabits per second uh data link with each other which indeed cannot be jammed this is the problem
02:03:09.080 with laser communication though is that lasers are visible that like you can see the position
02:03:15.740 the laser is communicating from my thinking is if you just had like a basically un unlit or just
02:03:25.440 like ever so slightly lit uh screen that had like qr codes displaying across it at a certain
02:03:32.140 at a certain speed uh you could communicate pretty effectively like pretty high bandwidth
02:03:38.960 information like uh documents and whatnot from like keyhole positions hidden firing positions
02:03:45.300 that uh would not be visible except at the very specific angle that uh the other position
02:03:52.840 position or maybe a very far position
02:03:55.800 like on a mountain or hilt
02:03:57.040 might be 20 kilometers away
02:03:59.420 is zoomed in on that exact spot
02:04:01.940 to see
02:04:02.480 to see that you could have
02:04:05.160 okay but like if they
02:04:06.960 can read a QR code they have to be connected
02:04:09.660 to the internet right like
02:04:11.060 no no no
02:04:14.180 I'm not saying like a QR
02:04:15.960 code that goes to
02:04:17.500 I'm not saying an actual QR
02:04:19.960 code I'm saying like a visual code
02:04:22.100 that is communicating a large bandwidth amount of data.
02:04:27.820 So, like, you can imagine, like, something like a pattern like that
02:04:32.080 switching every, like, a half second.
02:04:37.160 You get a certain amount of information in X amount of bits,
02:04:42.800 like, amounting to several kilobytes of sagum,
02:04:48.400 which would allow basically all messaging communication back and forth
02:04:56.060 in a way that's usable but also unblockable and also undetectable.
02:05:02.560 I sort of can't help but mention the fact that a low-tech version of this
02:05:06.020 sort of did exist in the Napoleonic Wars and prior in the form of spaced semaphore towers
02:05:11.900 that could transmit messages across various...
02:05:15.400 Like there was a chain between the French naval base
02:05:18.200 at Brest and Paris.
02:05:20.780 Yeah, so like
02:05:22.060 what I'm proposing is that
02:05:24.160 but something that actually automates
02:05:26.060 the changing
02:05:27.980 of the images
02:05:29.920 and the detection of it.
02:05:32.640 So that instead of like
02:05:33.840 It still seems that a laser or
02:05:38.040 infrared based system
02:05:40.180 could cloud
02:05:42.080 like a low bandwidth like gorilla
02:05:44.200 irregular fighting version but um if you're a professional force if it's a infrared or laser
02:05:54.220 uh any force that has uh for example air dominance over you or has a vigil on your
02:06:00.940 position with the right optics can see the laser
02:06:04.140 sure but if you're in the right position they can also see your light
02:06:09.660 No, no, no, because you basically keyhole that, that, uh, that, like, you have, like, a room or two deep in a house that, uh, unless you're looking through the specific window at that specific angle, it's invisible.
02:06:28.420 Yeah, you can do that with a laser, too.
02:06:30.120 no lasers you have the scatter
02:06:34.240 along the entire laser pathway
02:06:35.900 like if you
02:06:37.840 if
02:06:40.220 like I arrive
02:06:41.900 that like turns on
02:06:46.280 you'll give away your entire
02:06:47.840 that turns on is pointed upwards
02:06:51.920 you can give away your fighting position
02:06:53.640 just with the laser
02:06:54.780 ship and wins
02:06:59.860 right you're not shooting
02:07:02.400 you're pointing
02:07:05.260 right and like you're not
02:07:07.940 keeping it on for several minutes at a time
02:07:10.300 this is like an incredibly
02:07:12.260 short pulse of like less than half
02:07:14.240 a microsecond like it would be
02:07:16.160 extremely difficult to intercept
02:07:17.760 oh no I wouldn't
02:07:29.840 it'd be difficult to intercept but it would it strikes me as something that like is very likely
02:07:41.080 to to give you away that uh if anyone has a visual on that that's seen or or if you're
02:07:49.200 operating gorilla in an urban environment you know just takes a a surveillance net with like an
02:07:55.860 and AI to be looking at the data set
02:08:00.820 to pull out, okay, this second at this time
02:08:03.720 a laser pops off between these two positions.
02:08:08.820 I think that would require an IRR network
02:08:11.940 that even the U.S. can't reliably maintain
02:08:15.340 over a large stretch of terrain.
02:08:18.620 Over a large stretch of terrain, yes,
02:08:20.420 but like any irregular force,
02:08:25.360 that say operating in an urban environment
02:08:27.520 operating in an urban environment
02:08:34.440 or a highly surveilled area
02:08:36.600 like South Armas
02:08:38.100 I mean like maybe right
02:08:46.020 I don't know
02:08:47.440 these are my
02:08:55.320 obsessive security technical
02:08:57.160 things I'm putting out there
02:08:59.160 in case there's any like
02:09:00.480 technical communication
02:09:03.400 nerd listening to the
02:09:05.200 a gas 0.99
02:09:07.280 who ate
02:09:08.620 they've incredibly
02:09:11.300 useful to
02:09:13.200 guerrillas and insurgents
02:09:15.000 tools at a cool
02:09:16.780 in my head
02:09:17.920 I mean like the traditional
02:09:21.360 tool there for an insurgent is just like
02:09:23.240 find a child to deliver it
02:09:24.840 your message right like 1.00
02:09:26.260 that's what Hamas does 1.00
02:09:28.580 is true 1.00
02:09:31.700 yeah
02:09:37.760 opinion a moment to go
02:09:39.800 I think that having low tech solutions
02:09:41.840 as a backup is a great
02:09:43.780 idea I'm not
02:09:45.640 sure about the uh i think this might have turned into a bit of a rabbit hole though
02:09:49.900 no it is a rabbit hole it's been like my dinky little obsession for some some time that i want
02:09:59.140 i want an automated system i want that this seems like it gapped uh but
02:10:06.040 a semaphore type you don't even have to raise the flags yourself
02:10:10.660 yes exactly just a little box that you put keyhole in a window and like point them at each other and
02:10:18.600 then you have a little secret internet that how about two tin cans attached with a piece of string
02:10:25.600 this works but then you need the string you're dependent on the string
02:10:34.380 just don't use
02:10:38.260 pagers
02:10:39.520 in holding
02:10:41.320 don't do that
02:10:42.580 no exactly
02:10:44.960 I'm convinced
02:10:48.420 that a good percentage
02:10:50.320 of American leadership believes that
02:10:52.220 every phone in America
02:10:53.440 is compromised in the exact same way
02:10:56.400 as those pagers
02:10:57.180 in the sense that
02:11:00.560 they're full of plastic explosives
02:11:02.560 yes they so if you look at the behavior of u.s politicians and like the pager that was gifted
02:11:13.260 from uh bb to trump i i think there's a an implicitly communicated thing that every
02:11:22.380 phone in america is like this we can we can do this to you at any time that's actually a complete
02:11:28.760 bluff but like lindsey graham and like kinds of other u.s politicians believe it uh
02:11:35.340 then uh in this like implied or communicated or uh like people say this at a there have been
02:11:45.900 there have been like uh donor dinners and stuff where uh u.s politicians and israeli uh
02:11:54.040 figures have said uh if your phone buzzes don't worry don't worry implying that
02:12:03.100 that uh your phone could blow up at any moment which like is almost certainly logistically
02:12:10.200 impossible that like uh that like they could have a supply chain compromise that big that
02:12:18.340 consistently and uh before you say well the battery you know batteries if you ever see a
02:12:27.860 foam battery explosion it's like a big fire it's like not a shrapnel thing but uh i i'm convinced
02:12:36.580 that significant percentage of u.s leadership is has just been like artificially convinced of this
02:12:43.060 like is really omnipotence that is largely illusory there are certain most of the u.s
02:12:50.960 political leadership is certainly extremely technically illiterate they would not be able
02:12:54.960 to make the distinction between a very real like zero-day software exploit and more esoteric forms
02:13:02.580 of attack yes uh like uh whenever i see uh u.s leadership commentate on israel i just see like
02:13:20.320 these phantom like statements that seem to apply that they're believing things that uh
02:13:26.900 very various boomer conspiracy theorists believe they're like if you stop and think about logistically
02:13:34.660 for a second it's like no even if they wanted to do that that wouldn't work for x or y reason
02:13:39.580 but uh this seems to motivate uh a lot of u.s leadership with regards to u.s leadership is
02:13:48.760 basically entirely made out of lawyers right like people whose expertise comes in manipulating words
02:13:54.040 and symbols rather than the physical universe right you compare that to the Chinese leadership
02:13:58.520 or something or say um potentially the new power behind the throne in Iran who have been trained
02:14:06.700 in the technical and hard sciences and you'll find a very different mentality yes uh this is
02:14:13.300 also where you see this obsession with uh the social media war you see this from Ukraine and
02:14:21.280 others where they're completely obsessed with, like, willing to endure actual, like, real
02:14:29.800 military setbacks in order to have it, like, play well on TV, on social media or TV.
02:14:39.380 You'd be pro and not least because that will get them more money from the EU where their
02:14:46.100 Politicians are the exact same way, but there's this very odd divergence happening in the
02:14:54.580 world between countries where their leadership class has only ever manipulated words and
02:15:01.080 countries where their leadership class got there and, like, doesn't actually care about
02:15:07.680 the words at all my god like russia specifically uh for all the talk about russian propaganda and
02:15:16.460 russian bots and stuff i i'm not convinced russia even like has a propaganda arm that's
02:15:25.200 communicating in english like uh they've certainly never shown a great aptitude for it
02:15:30.780 yeah it was very poorly funded right like the much hyped cambridge analytic
02:15:37.940 analytical bots in 16 they spent them to buy like a moderately nice house in a suburb of
02:15:48.100 san francisco it is a tiny amount of money that they expended
02:15:51.100 yes so part of me wonders if like a big motivating factor of a lot of world politics
02:16:02.400 isn't like phantoms of u.s and allied propaganda like um like some propaganda claim comes
02:16:12.260 comes up in like 2015 2018 which gets repeated as like another propaganda
02:16:18.940 claim in 2023 2024 and of course the way you get promoted in the west is by fervently believing 0.75
02:16:27.600 the propaganda believing it more than anyone else being the tanda person who will radically
02:16:33.420 communicate your your loyalty to the propaganda and then you know after so many years of that
02:16:41.560 that and like promoting people
02:16:44.600 based on
02:16:45.480 based on you know
02:16:48.320 getting a person who looks a certain way
02:16:50.380 in a certain role who will
02:16:52.120 mount the propaganda the right way
02:16:53.660 that a lot of decisions are being made
02:16:56.560 basically
02:16:58.380 based on phantoms
02:17:00.500 of like
02:17:01.220 their own creation
02:17:03.500 believing your own
02:17:06.760 propaganda can certainly get you into
02:17:08.500 terrible trouble
02:17:09.100 yeah right like um arguably that is definitely happening to iran right now and it it happened
02:17:18.060 to much of the late soviet union's leadership as well they didn't understand how much force
02:17:23.300 was really required to keep uh the bolshevik project rolling um speaking of wild rumors
02:17:29.940 what do you guys think about the rumors of a u.s submarine engaging a an iranian kilo class
02:17:35.360 submarine uh in the indian ocean as of yesterday as as far not as of right now they have not been
02:17:43.880 confirmed but it seems somewhat plausible that an engagement might have happened the first uh
02:17:49.460 submarine on submarine torpedo engagement since world war ii and the first real submarine killed
02:17:54.420 since the falklands it's certainly a distinct possibility i've been trying to account for
02:17:59.500 the iranian subs up until now and they are presumably out at sea yeah as of right now
02:18:05.840 only iranian surface ships up to nine of them including their frigates and corvettes have been
02:18:10.200 sunk largely in harbor but um if iran knew that this attack was coming they would attempt to put
02:18:16.580 their kilos to sea yeah so there's only been you mentioned it's the first since world war ii that
02:18:24.460 was the only one that like that was the only time that a submarine killed a submarine
02:18:29.820 underwater anyway that submarine killed a submarine that was submerged there were
02:18:34.960 plenty of submarines against surface submarines um yes you
02:18:41.760 we forget about those but
02:18:45.940 you gotta remember that world war ii submarines spend the vast majority of their time on the
02:18:51.840 surface right they're more like semi-submergable torpedo boats than what cold war nuclear submarines
02:18:57.440 would eventually grow into very much so but uh but no i i've heard very little about that and
02:19:07.680 part of me wonders where the rumor came from uh that is a good question but i've seen it
02:19:16.100 like flung around in much of the u.s navy like sort of veteran community including people that
02:19:22.100 i consider moderately credible uh so i think the reason i say that is because like
02:19:27.900 the reason i say that is because normally like uh we'd expect leaks from submarines
02:19:35.400 pardon the pun we'd expect leaks from submarine
02:19:40.800 submarines to occur like vastly less than other sources because um unlike say soldiers on a
02:19:49.360 on a base like when you're on a submarine you don't have internet
02:19:53.520 like yes other u.s sources that uh in the area would have been able to confirm the report like
02:20:01.760 if you have like a helicopter in the area that saw the wreckage or a p8 maritime patrol aircraft
02:20:07.700 that dropped the sono bowie that cued the submarine to take the initial shot then members of those
02:20:13.600 communities could have spread uh rumors or information is it true and naively that's not
02:20:21.380 the type of thing that like uh you'd expect to be a rumor like uh if you think i'm gonna make up
02:20:29.160 something about the iran iran war like uh making up a sub-on-sub engagement isn't like the propaganda
02:20:40.260 a lie you'd make up necessarily unless you'd unless america's like doing poorly and has to
02:20:48.460 make up of stuff like that uh sharp morale which doesn't seem likely um
02:20:54.000 uh
02:20:55.940 that doesn't seem naively
02:20:58.580 like something that would be
02:21:00.080 like uh if someone said
02:21:02.600 oh
02:21:02.940 they're trying to hit and take down the
02:21:06.580 Burj Khalifa uh which some
02:21:08.520 people have alleged like that seems like a
02:21:10.580 very
02:21:10.980 a very like rumory sort
02:21:14.520 of rumor
02:21:14.980 they did get very
02:21:17.820 yeah 0.94
02:21:18.640 and multiple shahads passed within
02:21:22.520 500 meters of the Burj Khalifa.
02:21:26.460 Plus a couple skyscrapers in Bahrain
02:21:28.580 that completely burned down.
02:21:30.780 Hmm.
02:21:32.940 Yes, I saw people
02:21:34.340 commentating, this looks nothing like
02:21:36.340 9-11.
02:21:39.440 Which
02:21:39.960 I'm certain will be
02:21:41.400 used
02:21:43.240 as our
02:21:44.980 for gates.
02:21:51.000 But, uh,
02:21:52.520 No, the strikes on skyscrapers in the UAE and Bahrain and the economic angle of it,
02:22:11.300 I'm not quite sure what to make.
02:22:13.980 When we stop recording, I'm going to be driving my car to pay up gas.
02:22:18.160 uh i want the tank full before the market opens but uh but uh any thoughts from you guys any like
02:22:29.460 odds and ends there is a debate whether the strikes on hotels and various other economic
02:22:36.040 targets are deliberate or mere accidents in the sense that a lot of iran's missiles are
02:22:41.640 either old, shoddily constructed, or of moderate quality control, and given that how GPS and all
02:22:49.020 other GNSS systems in the area would be heavily jammed by defending forces, they would be forced
02:22:55.500 to rely on purely inertial navigation, since they don't have, say, a camera for terrain contour
02:23:01.000 mapping, like U.S. cruise missiles might. The accuracy of these drones and other
02:23:07.700 improvised standoff weapons might be so poor that they're just randomly crashing into things
02:23:12.300 there were definitely deliberate strikes on oil related targets there's footage of a couple oil
02:23:18.300 uh offshore platforms in the persian gulf burning um it would be very difficult for
02:23:24.360 that to be an accident given how there's no urban sprawl next to uh to uh those targets
02:23:29.520 yeah um well this is generally where shotting all through is a big thing if you're aiming an asset
02:23:40.420 and you have the opportunity you kind of you want to line it up that uh if you miss your main
02:23:48.360 gonna think valuable
02:23:50.920 so
02:23:53.740 yeah I can't
02:23:56.100 some chasing of targets that
02:23:58.960 they wouldn't otherwise go after
02:24:00.780 after knowing
02:24:03.220 that well if we don't hit that we'll hit
02:24:04.920 something
02:24:05.500 but uh who knows
02:24:08.640 there's also
02:24:11.360 the possibility of a
02:24:13.280 missile which is intercepted but not
02:24:15.300 entirely obliterated will fall on
02:24:17.300 something else. This is probably a major concern, particularly for the Israelis and maybe the UAE
02:24:22.180 as well, because of their sheer population density, that, okay, you've diverted it off 0.91
02:24:26.660 a strategically important target onto someone's house. That's not necessarily an ideal solution.
02:24:32.180 And there's also, as much as very true, I would also add that there are also many scenarios where
02:24:36.940 an air defense missile was fired at an incoming target, and the air defense missile will crash
02:24:41.340 into part of the urban sprawl, leading most commentators to conclude that it was a hostile
02:24:46.960 enemy missile rather than
02:24:48.700 a failure of your own shield
02:24:50.320 this has happened like a bunch of times in Ukraine
02:24:52.380 and now it is happening over Israel
02:24:54.540 it happened in Vietnam 0.63
02:24:56.800 and I mean it's just the law of what goes up 0.99
02:24:59.040 must come down
02:25:01.660 yeah there were
02:25:04.420 several famous cases of
02:25:06.380 like
02:25:08.260 like booster
02:25:10.380 rockets and
02:25:12.440 and stuff that fall off the missile
02:25:15.040 like landing in
02:25:16.960 And hitting, like, little girls and, like, the goal in heights and this being the motivation for, like, some escalation that, you know, don't let it, never let an atrocity go to waste or an accident.
02:25:33.920 the other thing i'll add to the campaign against various infrastructure targets in the gulf states
02:25:42.280 is that uh i did see in one case some uh pro-iranian sources claiming that one of the
02:25:49.260 specific hotels that was close to the u.s naval base in bahrain was housing u.s personnel no idea
02:25:55.000 if that's true i suspect that at least some of them if not maybe all are incidental i do think
02:26:00.960 that attacking the obviously is deliberate and almost certainly the airports as well
02:26:07.760 because a bit over a quarter of the uae's gdp comes from its airline industry so
02:26:13.340 closing dubai and abu dhab airports even for a short period plays absolute merry hell with that
02:26:20.080 i i would definitely agree with that right like basically their entire economy is shut down for
02:26:27.480 the duration of hostilities right their petrol exports their tourism their status as a finance
02:26:32.220 hub so their ability to endure pain um may be critical to how they pressure one on how long
02:26:42.000 to sustain
02:26:43.360 and sort of going back to earlier i can fully see the economies of at least some of those states just
02:26:52.600 disappearing like a puff of smoke under certain conditions i think they all have enough debt
02:26:57.500 runway that they can keep on financing for like you know a couple months without going into like
02:27:03.440 groove levels of fiscal crisis but um even before that threshold they would start to get very worried
02:27:09.880 this is this is one of the things where um
02:27:17.960 as far as i know the gulf states like don't really have much in the way of like
02:27:26.040 reserve holdings uh they're kept like in public coffers uh you hear a lot about like china and
02:27:35.440 russia having like big stockpiles of of uh gold and other foreign currency reserve reserves
02:27:42.740 than they can withstand a crisis of X amount of time
02:27:48.320 without, like, really crashing their currency
02:27:52.180 or, like, having a lot of maneuverability to move up their economy.
02:27:57.480 My impression is that, like, by and large,
02:28:00.340 the Gulf states, their reserves are their oil
02:28:03.200 and that, like, cash and other holdings
02:28:08.520 largely get immediately
02:28:11.260 distributed amongst their
02:28:13.340 patronage networks.
02:28:15.360 They're in places
02:28:17.200 that can hold on to essentialize
02:28:19.220 stock and money.
02:28:21.980 Well, they don't plan on
02:28:23.260 being isolated from the Western financial system.
02:28:25.580 Their plan is to borrow,
02:28:27.280 right? And as long as Wall Street is functional,
02:28:29.840 Wall Street will lend to them
02:28:31.100 at reasonable rates,
02:28:33.300 given their current
02:28:34.200 debt security ratings.
02:28:38.520 and naturally that that's the usual plan for countries that's just like
02:28:46.680 you know i would borrow money in a crisis in which i wouldn't have the money to repay it
02:28:53.760 is like
02:28:54.600 oh i'm talking about being someone else who's adjusting to the situation slower than you
02:29:02.560 like uh i
02:29:06.600 i wouldn't i wouldn't want to bet on the slowness of wall street adjusting to
02:29:16.560 geopolitical shifts you know yeah like their interest rates will definitely go up but like
02:29:23.160 their ability to generate revenue in peacetime assuming that the war can be brought to close
02:29:27.420 within like you know two months or so should wall street would expect that they would be able to make
02:29:33.160 repayments given the robustness of their pre-war civilian economies
02:29:37.520 fair enough now that brings us kind of back to scenarios uh so i've been reading
02:29:49.800 all of the
02:29:53.160 Anarchonomicon wider community
02:29:55.680 I need to write about it
02:29:59.480 but we've been reading the history of the
02:30:02.760 Talipanesian Wars and
02:30:04.600 Xenophon's Hellenica
02:30:07.080 continuing
02:30:11.400 where two cities left off
02:30:13.640 and
02:30:14.700 the state of the
02:30:18.900 the war now i've already compared it to to the phalophanesian war at the start uh it does seem
02:30:25.620 like one of those like complex complex uh alliance alliance wars that could just like snowball into
02:30:36.120 a rolling crisis crisis that like draws in tons of unpredictable angles uh
02:30:45.840 do you guys have like a short medium and a long scenario
02:30:50.060 um in the okay i can take a crack at that right like the short best case scenario
02:30:59.920 for the u.s the regime decides to present an internal case that they can declare victory
02:31:08.440 and you know show off video of u.s bases getting hit and then effectively uh surrender
02:31:15.400 but not capitulate right they would agree to disarm certain of uh nuclear enrichment facilities
02:31:22.660 and then dismantle some of their longer-range ballistic missile bases in return for
02:31:28.300 cessation of immediate hostilities right and the medium-term camp scenario is just this but after
02:31:34.500 two months of like immense pain being inflicted on iran's domestic industry i feel like the only
02:31:40.340 long-term campaign that looks even kind of good for iran is a scenario where russia and china
02:31:47.260 both take drastic steps to shore up the iranian regime rather than allow it i think that is
02:31:56.760 somewhat unlikely but something that decision makers in tehran might be desperately hoping for
02:32:02.880 and in terms of like the survivability of the uranian regime we've seen like ukraine a hold
02:32:14.620 on for extraordinary amounts of time and we've seen other states like uh perpetuate in
02:32:21.980 in cases of like extreme impoverishment and like uh suffering for like years and decades on end
02:32:32.720 obviously the germans in world war ii but like iraq in the 90s and early 2000s
02:32:42.060 perpetuated under extreme financial and internal hardship
02:32:46.960 iraqi example is very much in the minds of decision makers today because while saddam
02:32:54.000 hussein's regime was able to cling to power it lost its weapons of mass destruction program
02:32:58.460 Its conventional army and air force massively shrunk. Its nuclear, biological, and chemical programs were essentially shut down. And its ability to project power was crippled. I think many in Washington would see that as a similar wind condition today, with the regime still technically in power, but desperately clinging on to dear life and unable to threaten anyone else. That's our wind condition.
02:33:21.720 yeah i would uh generally agree with that and sort of 0.88
02:33:28.680 along with the same line that iraq was more or less salami sliced to death as was
02:33:36.600 syria seemingly as well it just withered for so long under a continuous if relatively small
02:33:44.000 amount of pressure until eventually someone sort of kicked the door in and it fell apart
02:33:50.560 iran seemingly wants to avoid this if they can but i don't know if can't i would also like to
02:33:57.800 point out the west loves generating ethnic proxy forces to do all the dirty work on the ground 0.78
02:34:03.040 during these sorts of air salami slicing campaigns right famously the kurds in both iraq and syria 0.73
02:34:08.860 although they keep on getting thrown under the bus whenever uh the kurds out of illness i suspect 0.91
02:34:15.220 that the U.S. may look to either the Kurds again or ethnic Azeris in Iran to generate potential
02:34:24.680 anti-regime forces that could be armed and moderately supported to absorb casualties
02:34:29.620 and attention on the ground. I would argue that Ukraine is effectively a scaled up version of 0.61
02:34:36.200 this. Yeah, right. The Russians try to do it with their two proxy puppet republics in Donetsk and 0.91
02:34:42.220 luhansk but you know they're not that good at it right like you'd argue that like taiwan is like
02:34:46.400 in western in the other way around actually pop it in the yeah
02:34:52.300 it's been like the anglo-american grand strategy for like the last 500 years to do this right like
02:35:02.060 germany only became a great power because prussia was the uk's or great britain at the time
02:35:08.060 Great Britain's puppet on the
02:35:10.220 continent, right?
02:35:12.360 Frederick the Great's armies were paid
02:35:14.200 for by the profits
02:35:16.240 of British merchants in the Caribbean.
02:35:18.400 That's how he was able to maintain
02:35:19.900 20% of his nation in arms
02:35:21.860 with very little trade and industry
02:35:24.040 of his own.
02:35:26.080 I would not expect that strategy to
02:35:28.280 cease in the immediate future.
02:35:31.640 Yeah, and I mean,
02:35:32.400 Kulak, you mentioned your sort of theory
02:35:34.140 of old men having a knife
02:35:36.280 fight, well, getting into a knife fight
02:35:38.280 is very dangerous, so let's you and him
02:35:40.260 fight.
02:35:42.040 Yes, exactly. No, that's the
02:35:43.880 inner point of the theory, is that
02:35:46.240 they're all standing around
02:35:47.260 and elves
02:35:50.220 will
02:35:52.060 sway and hang everything they want.
02:35:56.580 So let me ask another question.
02:35:59.180 You are made
02:36:00.200 supreme leader
02:36:02.280 and military leader by
02:36:03.640 Iran. You are the unified
02:36:06.140 like Savior of Iran. 0.99
02:36:08.380 You're put entirely in charge 0.97
02:36:10.220 of it. This is your map game.
02:36:14.220 What would you do to win?
02:36:20.400 Well, insofar as I think
02:36:22.240 that basically the win state
02:36:24.180 is to survive as
02:36:26.320 a state and maybe do
02:36:28.300 enough damage to the other side to eke
02:36:30.200 out some amount of deterrence,
02:36:35.200 I mean,
02:36:36.140 probably the same
02:36:38.120 in as coordinated a fashion
02:36:40.400 as possible so as not to be
02:36:42.140 wasting the potential of missile and drone
02:36:44.120 salvers. I don't really think they
02:36:46.240 have a lot of options here.
02:36:48.220 Yeah, like putting it among Bahrain and Oman and Qatar
02:36:50.040 and the UAE and Kuwait
02:36:51.740 seems very wasteful, right? Like concentrating
02:36:54.240 it all, as much of it as
02:36:56.280 possible on one target at a time
02:36:58.160 seems
02:37:00.000 temporarily
02:37:00.860 plausible to say over
02:37:03.660 swamp the Israeli air defense net and then deliver numbers of power, water filtration,
02:37:13.480 and other infrastructure targets that Netanyahu might be willing to de-escalate.
02:37:18.280 In the longer term, I think Iran's real goal is to make their economy more competitive again.
02:37:24.980 They need to fix their financial sector. They need to get the IRGC's corrupt generals out of
02:37:30.660 the private industry uh and focus them back on their primary mission right they need to build
02:37:35.820 closer trade and industrial links to china in order to pay for the weapons that will
02:37:40.260 could potentially make more of a difference the next time around
02:37:44.160 and that is far more difficult than waging a missile campaign
02:37:49.180 very much so and uh another question why does china seem to be uh
02:37:59.020 very cautious
02:38:02.400 across all these
02:38:06.320 all these various crises
02:38:08.800 we've seen in Ukraine
02:38:12.800 they've been happy to
02:38:15.540 sell to both sides and they haven't really
02:38:19.400 been throwing much geopolitical weight
02:38:21.300 around in Venezuela
02:38:24.500 they didn't really dedicate
02:38:26.980 much to trying to prop up maduro or anything anything else like there weren't there weren't
02:38:36.220 hundreds of chinese military visors on the ground like to get into a shooting fight maduro was
02:38:43.420 depending on cubans uh and then in i in iran uh again china seems very
02:38:55.500 very far on the back back burner for uh like actually propping up iran if you want to compare
02:39:06.760 like uh the amount of money the u.s has spent on ukraine versus like the amount if any china has
02:39:14.920 been willing to expend on iran in uh so from the chinese look at the 20th century
02:39:25.360 yeah so if you look at from the chinese perspective in the 20th century they look
02:39:32.660 at all the interventions that the great powers did, right, the Soviet Union themselves and
02:39:37.820 the U.S., and they look, they see that most of these interventions to boost a friendly
02:39:41.520 regime are either wasteful, net negative, or actively lead to a backlash, right?
02:39:48.520 So in the 50s, China spent an enormous amount of blood and treasure boosting Korea, right, 0.51
02:39:55.100 Saving the DPRK, the North Korean allies, by North Korea aligned largely with the Soviet Union against China.
02:40:06.220 They had created an enemy despite spending the lives of, you know, a half million of their soldiers.
02:40:11.080 And the same thing happened in Vietnam.
02:40:13.340 They devoted 2% of their entire GDP.
02:40:15.800 They sent hundreds of thousands of construction troops and air defense.
02:40:19.940 They gave most of their own AK-47 production to North Vietnam. 0.76
02:40:23.220 And then in the end, they had to fight Vietnam because the Vietnamese realized that the Chinese were worst patrons in the Soviet Union. 0.61
02:40:33.420 They looked at the U.S. interventions across the Middle East during the global war on terror, where the U.S. spent trillions of dollars essentially handing Iraq over to Iran and then leaving Afghanistan back into the hands of the Taliban. 0.56
02:40:49.200 And they're like, why would we do such a thing? Why would we attempt to bolster these regimes that are unsalvageable? Right. They're learning in Africa that after a extended period of heavy investment in the Belt, One Belt, One Road project, that the investment in Africa in infrastructure and industry and ports and in helping these regimes stay afloat is not paying itself off.
02:41:09.900 none of these regimes are remotely competent enough uh to deliver the kind of kind of return
02:41:16.100 that they're looking for they look at pakistan which has been one of their biggest strategic
02:41:20.140 allies you know against india for the last 50 years and they think that these people 0.99
02:41:23.500 you know are religious extremists they're unreliable they can't do jack shit they can't 0.97
02:41:28.840 be trusted it's not worth protecting these people um and so when they look at iran they think the 0.99
02:41:34.300 same way, right? The Iranians think that they're better than the Chinese. They don't trust the 1.00
02:41:41.580 Chinese. There isn't this sort of grand anti-American alliance that's being built up
02:41:46.380 because, quite frankly, all of these countries have no reason to trust each other other than
02:41:51.720 mutual hostility. There's no ideological similarity. The Chinese think that the
02:41:57.380 Iranians are religious fundamentalists. The Iranians think that the Chinese are godless 0.90
02:42:00.720 atheists um it just leads to a scenario where the reformist faction in iran wants to open up
02:42:08.820 to the eu and like there's no one in the conservative faction that just understands
02:42:12.880 economics so chinese investment despite the 400 billion dollar theoretical deal from you know
02:42:19.100 five years ago is just not materializing i have nothing to add to that many have learned how
02:42:26.020 tiresome it all is.
02:42:28.580 They really have. They have realized
02:42:30.280 that the only people that they can trust are
02:42:32.080 themselves.
02:42:34.200 They're not in the business of world
02:42:36.000 empire in the same way that the U.S. is, despite
02:42:38.100 what some people in Washington think.
02:42:42.020 Middle Kingdom, Denim Middle Kingdom. 0.75
02:42:46.340 Indeed. 1.00
02:42:50.160 Goppy, you're jumping in.
02:42:53.000 Only to say I had
02:42:54.080 nothing to add to that. I would assess
02:42:56.000 the chinese essentially identically yeah it's it's their experience plus a genuine ideological
02:43:03.420 strain of non-interventionism that has led them to focus on internal development rather than
02:43:09.860 boosting an increasingly unworthy network of public of client and states seek to wag the
02:43:17.400 tail of the dog that client states exert this sort of massive leverage on the imperial overlord
02:43:23.520 They look at, you know, Ukraine and Israel's effects on Washington, D.C.'s policymakers, and they're like, no, we do not want any of that.
02:43:32.940 That makes very good sense. 0.76
02:43:35.300 And that leaves the question, though, of the the map game of it.
02:43:44.840 Obviously, has neither unfettered access or access.
02:43:53.520 You know, very plausible access to the world's oil market.
02:43:59.500 Is the plan there just to continue building up their navy?
02:44:05.960 That their shipbuilding capacity exceeds the U.S. by miles?
02:44:12.320 Oh, they just run out the clock.
02:44:17.420 Eventually, they're going to be able to secure all naval and oil access.
02:44:23.520 Well, that's an interesting question.
02:44:27.840 So in the last year, they have approved the power of Siberia pipeline, too, was in discussion for like something like a decade in which much more of Russia, Eastern Russia and Siberia's oil and natural gas will be available for Chinese markets.
02:44:44.540 They're also working on developing some additional overland links like a railway to Pakistan for importing oil.
02:44:52.780 But by and large, their plan seems to be weaning their economy off Middle Eastern oil by developing, you know, 100, I think something like 60 new nuclear fission plants, as well as new technologies for synthesizing oil using other renewable power sources, like the absurd amount of cheap solar that they have coming online, right?
02:45:16.680 of those systems plus massive like billions of oil in caverns they can remain caught fight in
02:45:25.700 even three to fight against the u.s with no access to middle eastern oil and stay largely afloat
02:45:30.860 in their defense industrial base even if the civilian sort of quality of life will drop
02:45:37.240 this also sort of explains their investment in uh in ev infrastructure that's very different
02:45:49.160 from north america's uh yeah they're all in on this stuff strategic rationale and to make a
02:45:56.040 crap ton of money yeah because yeah they're actually growing their power grid enough to
02:46:01.860 support electric vehicles in a way that we really haven't yeah they put something like 0.81
02:46:06.500 for Francis working on renewables online every year and accelerating.
02:46:13.780 Well, also like, uh, this is the thing. So, um, electric vehicles really do not make much sense
02:46:22.300 in the North American context because, um, North America, like, uh, you have to be able to drive
02:46:30.420 extensively uh just because of the geography of the place like the the cities are all like very
02:46:39.080 sparse uh there's tons of territory in between and uh just generally like uh especially if you're
02:46:48.360 in canter or any cold environment uh ev electric vehicles have a reputation that for like crapping
02:46:56.440 out or like losing their range uh right at the time of year where you don't want to get stranded
02:47:01.800 whereas china like uh like most of their their infrastructure is centered around
02:47:12.220 around like uh urban commuting or like uh or like a short trips they're they're even doing like 0.95
02:47:22.120 flying vehicles which like would be unthinkable in the amer in the american market like uh
02:47:30.240 like automated automated flying vehicles which might just be like propagandist
02:47:35.900 and stuff but uh the the willingness to like in the chinese market looks like the autonomous or
02:47:45.780 or centralized fleet-owned electric vehicles
02:47:51.840 might actually become like a major thing
02:47:56.760 in a way that's been theorized in North America
02:47:59.220 yet pretty much hasn't happened.
02:48:04.020 Probably won't.
02:48:06.140 I think they genuinely believe in the idea
02:48:08.160 of this low-altitude economy
02:48:09.760 in which their massive advantage in drone production,
02:48:12.540 in batteries and other electronic vehicle technologies will allow allow the sort of
02:48:18.100 last mile delivery and delivery of personnel as well to be done by these short-ranged automated
02:48:26.880 charging automated flying electronic vehicles um in a way that's like not really viable in the u.s
02:48:33.760 it it's mostly about like saving labor right like they they don't want to have like a large
02:48:39.720 immigrant uber driver population right or like you know hundreds of like uh immigrants from the
02:48:46.180 subcontinent delivering food like you see in western cities especially given the increasingly
02:48:52.340 small size of the useful chinese demographic so i've always been 0.68
02:49:00.860 part of me has always wondered uh the chinese like demographic problems 1.00
02:49:08.540 um i always thought the clever thing for them to do would be to like have quietly solved it 0.95
02:49:14.760 and then uh just kept saying they kept having the problem and it kept getting worse
02:49:19.820 but uh so far i've seen nothing to suggest to suggest that yeah no one in china is having kids
02:49:28.220 like the preschool i always felt it just thought it was weird that's like well this is the greatest
02:49:33.960 problem in china and we know about it like aren't communist states better at hiding their problems 0.76
02:49:42.280 but no it's very hard to hide the fact that all the kindergartens are empty yes 0.65
02:49:50.440 and of course this is like the album with uh all of all of um east asia's birth rights is of course
02:50:00.680 that, uh, basically, basically all of East Asia, like, their marriage markets were defined
02:50:10.040 by, like, non-consent or, like, arranged marriages for, like, the past 2,000 plus years. Like,
02:50:18.580 uh, if you watch, like, Shogun and, and the, uh, Daimo, uh, the head Japanese guy just, 0.77
02:50:28.140 like assigns a widowed woman to be uh to be the english guy who's just been made a lord's 0.80
02:50:37.900 concubine he's just like oh yes you you sleep with him now and that's just an order from like
02:50:44.660 the lord like that's how to a large extent most of asia worked and you see this in like
02:50:51.760 various literary works
02:50:53.160 that the idea that like no
02:50:55.760 no no the institution will assign
02:50:57.940 you a
02:50:59.480 spouse or mate or
02:51:01.240 or mistress or
02:51:03.300 or what
02:51:07.080 that this
02:51:08.180 I'm sure you're familiar
02:51:11.440 I'm sure you're familiar with all
02:51:13.900 these medieval European arranged
02:51:15.960 marriages for political reasons right like
02:51:17.880 it's only really from the
02:51:19.840 Victorian period onward that you get
02:51:21.760 rejection of that uh yes and no the arranged marriage period of europe was um
02:51:30.820 was both both shorter and more limited in classes like uh if you look at
02:51:39.820 if you look at like uh the fiction in the literary traditions of europe like um
02:51:47.140 um, both before the medieval period and after, afterwards, like there's this intense revulsion
02:51:56.340 at the idea of arranged marriages, even when it's like still going on. Uh, uh,
02:52:04.140 Samuel Richardson's Clarissa is about a woman who chooses death rather than accepting a marriage
02:52:10.700 arranged by her family. And this is written by like a religious Puritan and was a scandal at
02:52:16.200 time because arranged marriages were still going on but like this is he enforced that like uh the
02:52:24.580 idea that a rate an arranged marriage would be would be a intolerable scandal is like
02:52:32.700 embedded in european culture whereas you you look at like japanese sexual japanese or chinese
02:52:40.500 sexual culture and like uh like you see their fiction longing for like won't someone just
02:52:47.420 sign bouts uh like their fictional works uh their porn their their romantic works like
02:52:58.260 almost all of them revolve around a disproportionate number of them
02:53:03.280 all around like people being assigned romantic partners or or sexual partners or being thrust
02:53:13.820 together by institutional force in some some way and then of course like and of course both
02:53:22.340 all of East Asia from
02:53:25.300 Japan, but
02:53:27.300 of Korea 0.79
02:53:29.260 and
02:53:31.060 them has
02:53:32.240 feminism on them
02:53:35.420 because feminism
02:53:37.020 is both an
02:53:38.300 American
02:53:40.620 and
02:53:42.180 which is
02:53:43.160 which is like
02:53:47.520 insane to me.
02:53:52.340 South Korea has, like, a low-skilled gender war going on
02:53:59.420 that already had one attempted coup d'etat.
02:54:03.500 It is fascinating how dysfunctional the dynamics have gotten,
02:54:08.060 but I think we're drifting a bit away from Iran and the broader Middle East,
02:54:12.540 so are there any more, like, tactical questions that we want to discuss?
02:54:15.860 well let's
02:54:22.580 let's see if we can draw it together because this has been like a running theme of like uh 0.58
02:54:29.460 the dysfunctions of non-western countries that like westerners don't even think of
02:54:35.720 like being obsessed with their own uh dysfunctions in bureaucratic madnesses around race and epstein
02:54:44.520 and DEI and what
02:54:46.440 have you, what
02:54:48.000 other factors
02:54:50.180 like in the case
02:54:52.600 of Iraq
02:54:53.060 and or regional 1.00
02:54:56.000 are like really screwing
02:54:58.400 up their institutions and like actually
02:55:00.460 affecting this war
02:55:02.580 like more than any of us realize
02:55:04.640 that just we
02:55:06.460 are commentating on because there's an analogy
02:55:08.520 in the Western world or maybe
02:55:10.400 there is but it's like something we
02:55:12.260 are listening to. Are you familiar with how
02:55:14.280 bad the inbreeding is in much of the gulf arab states yes and no i i keep on hearing this meme
02:55:25.340 but i don't actually know the variance between the countries like uh i think there's like a
02:55:32.780 match data set out there somewhere but like it's something like in like 30 plus of marriages are
02:55:38.460 between like first cousins which is over time just does massive amounts of genetic damage to
02:55:43.880 your line and results in far higher rates of like learning disabilities that make you useless in the
02:55:49.080 modern economy yes uh so this is one of the like weird and interesting things about um different
02:55:59.980 cultures is oh they practice incest because like almost every culture has a like core interest
02:56:10.060 story or like core incest relationship that like affects their cultures and like uh you don't think
02:56:16.880 about until you notice it so like uh judaism uh there's a disproportionate amount of father-daughter
02:56:27.620 incest uh this goes back to like lot and his his daughters and like this recurs if you like read
02:56:36.600 the biographies of Jewish women it just like crops up way more than you you'd think uh whereas
02:56:44.420 like um whereas like the ancient Greeks uh there was this like weird weird thing at least around
02:56:54.860 the city of Thebes with like mother-son incest that like plays out in in the story of Edithus
02:57:00.660 but like is hinted at in a few other places uh notably Alexander's relationship with his mother
02:57:06.360 olympia uh and the ancient germanics uh there was like basically all european uh north european
02:57:17.860 culture uh has this like recurring theme of brother-sister incest uh uh sigurd and sigland
02:57:27.200 uh birth uh have have the son uh siegfried that their brother and sister uh king arthur and his
02:57:40.300 sister morgan morgan with fay uh beget mordred who's like this evil prince who's also like this
02:57:48.740 great great man uh you see this in rome with uh caligula and drusilla and you can see this crop
02:57:54.660 up in modern culture uh jamie and searcy that uh there's this recurring thing of like
02:58:01.100 like blonde aristocratic norse europeans uh and brother sister incest you also see this
02:58:07.960 in prop up in like the egyptian dynasties they're like more closely related to europe
02:58:13.760 uh the because in marriage in
02:58:21.240 in islam i don't even i can't even think of a um like literary example of it yet it defines
02:58:32.720 the culture entirely yeah and it's become a massive problem in areas where european 0.69
02:58:38.640 countries have imported islamic populations but um it seems as a way to keep clans closer to 0.94
02:58:46.520 together to maintain those ties of clan solidarity that allow a clan to you know survive against its 0.67
02:58:53.140 neighbors uh and since islam has a a prescription against interest rates it basically does not allow
02:58:59.340 banking in the modern sense although there are some limited exceptions now the only way to raise
02:59:05.600 capital for any sort of
02:59:06.860 investment opportunity, whether that's in
02:59:09.560 agriculture or industry or commerce,
02:59:11.700 is to do it through your extended family.
02:59:14.000 And the only way to keep your extended
02:59:15.480 family close enough
02:59:16.600 to avoid, you know,
02:59:19.460 cadet branches splitting off in the European sense
02:59:21.640 and, you know, acting against
02:59:23.480 the interests of the core family is to
02:59:25.360 have these incessant
02:59:27.520 cousin marriages. And
02:59:29.320 as a result, it creates these
02:59:31.380 inbred clans, you know, full of
02:59:33.680 you know, 0.94
02:59:35.600 70 IQ down syndrome kids that are just a liability in every sense in the 21st century
02:59:42.240 yeah so i now i'm not sure how much of that is actually related to the incest though because
02:59:54.600 if you look at the um the IQ relations stuff uh it's not as if like uh the Islamic world is a
03:00:04.180 massive L-wire from 0.95
03:00:05.940 its exact
03:00:07.800 geopolitical region or like
03:00:09.620 neighboring states
03:00:12.360 like Pakistan
03:00:13.440 is not actually notably
03:00:15.880 worse on IQ
03:00:17.780 ratings than India 1.00
03:00:19.000 or
03:00:19.980 the Islamic world is not actually
03:00:23.520 notably worse than 1.00
03:00:25.600 a lot of the Stan
03:00:27.300 countries that aren't
03:00:29.700 immediately Islamic
03:00:31.580 you know all of the stan countries are muslim but it's uh the problem tends to be relatively
03:00:42.100 concentrated rather than on a national level and the iq tests are predominantly taken by like
03:00:47.800 kids in normal school so a lot of times like the the disabled children that are basically 0.78
03:00:54.620 permanently living at home aren't even being tested there so there so there's this large 1.00
03:01:03.280 population of like complete invalids in islam who are just like dragging down the demographics of 1.00
03:01:11.320 these countries and probably the reason that they need all these extensive gigs 1.00
03:01:16.080 maintain the country
03:01:18.660 because they have all these 1.00
03:01:20.240 dysgenic dependents. 0.98
03:01:24.200 That is indeed
03:01:25.500 a problem facing much of the Muslim world today. 1.00
03:01:30.680 They understandably do not like to talk about it. 1.00
03:01:34.960 No, that makes perfect sense.
03:01:37.960 And it actually makes sense
03:01:41.560 why this is not something
03:01:44.240 that has been, like, cropping up in their literature a ton, or, like, is, like, this
03:01:51.120 big, like, ancient cultural thing that we all know about and has, like, worked its way
03:01:56.560 into literature the way whatever North Europeans and brother-sister incest have is, like, worked 0.52
03:02:06.280 to twain to literature uh because like this massive dependent population uh would not have
03:02:14.180 existed in the past because uh probably it's gotten worse in the last hundred years because
03:02:20.820 since the ottoman empire fell the rise of like wahhabi sunnis sunnism has sort of encouraged
03:02:27.860 these sorts of reversions to medieval practices whereas it was kind of suppressed under ottoman 0.66
03:02:33.680 role yeah but like even more than that like this like dysgenic dependent population like uh 0.94
03:02:40.900 would have died out or gone picked off like uh before modern conveniences and stuff like 0.96
03:02:47.740 presumably that's true like in like 8800 these people would have been unlikely to survive
03:02:53.400 like presumably if you had to like cross the the various deserts with like t.e lawrence or like 0.97
03:03:01.700 your tribes to like wage wars against each other like uh the dumb kids would have gone picked off 0.89
03:03:07.440 by the environment and like their rivals uh whereas whereas now they're sitting in air 0.87
03:03:14.100 conditioned rooms in in like tenements in these these massive cities that no one ever visits uh
03:03:24.220 just consuming subsidized food and burning subsidized oil
03:03:30.700 and enjoying their subsidized rent.
03:03:38.100 It is indeed a practice that has some explanatory power
03:03:41.980 for Arab underperformance in this century.
03:03:45.900 So then that leads to the question,
03:03:48.480 And does this translate to Shia Islam?
03:03:55.220 Because obviously, like, there's a ton of variance across, like, individual ethnic populations in the Middle East, especially.
03:04:03.240 Like, there are some ethnicities that are almost basically white in the Middle East or, like, and, like, certainly look at it and outperform massively.
03:04:13.000 And there are other ones that are, like, uniquely dysfunctional.
03:04:18.480 up so i'm not an expert here but from my understanding it is a problem in iran but
03:04:26.040 not as bad as it is in the gulf like places like kuwait and um and like uh saudi arabia
03:04:34.620 and pakistan have much worse incest rates than iran but iran still has a much higher
03:04:39.220 incest rate than you might find in say east asia or western europe all right so this this would
03:04:46.540 actually really explain why houthis still exist because like usually you think well that's right
03:04:55.580 on the border with saudi arabia saudi arabia is a larger country that has a larger military budget
03:05:01.520 why can't they just send in ground forces why are they only like i mean they did right like
03:05:07.840 you remember the battles in like 2011 where entire saudi regular army and national guard
03:05:14.020 maneuver brigades were encircled and destroyed by irregular houthi fighters
03:05:17.680 this i was not paying attention at the time i i remember the uh the wars from like 2015 onwards
03:05:28.660 i was not paying attention in 2011 do you do in fact this this is this is the before time long
03:05:34.840 long you know i suspect many of our listeners do not remember this let me make sure i have the
03:05:42.060 year right it might have been the it might have been 2015 they started some operations before but
03:05:47.260 let me track down the year of the decisive battle there's a russian version of oryx you know the
03:05:52.420 site that tracks is tracks um destroyed vehicles in ukraine i think they call it like lost armor
03:05:58.420 r u yeah that's it yeah they have like pages and pages of of saudi operated labs and bradley's
03:06:07.820 and like M163 like air defense Gatling sort of APCs
03:06:14.480 that were destroyed in Yemen at the time.
03:06:18.720 And it really suggests that like Mohammed bin Salman
03:06:21.600 sent in like the equivalent of an entire division 1.00
03:06:23.860 in to try to, you know, overrun these ragtag hoosies. 1.00
03:06:28.060 And they got their faces kicked in. 1.00
03:06:33.260 I'll try to track down the site.
03:06:34.880 was armor.ru
03:06:39.620 yeah
03:06:41.060 all right lost armor.info
03:06:53.260 I think
03:06:53.760 let's see
03:07:04.880 And the website is completely in Russian, so it has to be auto-translated.
03:07:11.600 You see, this is the kind of stuff that our listeners are here for.
03:07:18.420 Goppy had immediate familiarity with the site.
03:07:22.020 Yes.
03:07:22.540 i i'm taking down to add this to the show notes so that uh you listeners at home
03:07:31.420 can see the resources that the true experts are following
03:07:35.040 yeah so uh if you go to other conflicts and go to yemen you can scroll down by
03:07:43.500 type of vehicle the country involved um the region and you'll be able to find
03:07:52.220 plenty of examples of destroyed Saudi equipment from BMPs to F-15s and Apache gunships, all flown
03:08:00.840 by people with much stronger clan connections and combat sense, destroyed by Yemeni's fighters
03:08:09.240 operating with comparatively primitive early Cold War systems.
03:08:13.760 incredible so this is this is actually the factor that explains
03:08:23.740 an incredible amount of the middle east to me is uh this intense variance in uh
03:08:31.020 this intense variance in
03:08:36.660 in, like, the rates of incest
03:08:40.940 is, like, as soon as you model that in, it's like, oh,
03:08:46.880 this is why
03:08:48.100 X-Force seems to always outperform, or this is why
03:08:53.940 why a country never does anything despite being
03:08:59.000 so much vastly larger than
03:09:02.980 these other ones who do.
03:09:06.660 This is why they have to give them fuel at one cent a liter.
03:09:13.340 This adds up.
03:09:19.460 Now, that'll be a valuable resource for our listeners.
03:09:22.600 Do you guys have anything else you want to add, or are we reaching the end of the episode?
03:09:29.500 Um, let's see.
03:09:34.300 We've been going for about three hours now.
03:09:36.660 yeah i think i've expended most of my um pre-show talking points although i'm always happy to go
03:09:44.280 deeper into weapons autism very much so we will have more to discuss probably in a week
03:09:49.860 week and a half or so uh yes many many things will be revealed in the next week of fighting
03:09:57.820 in anything i'm just seeing that for the first time the new u.s uh tactical ballistic missile
03:10:07.200 called the prsm the precision strike missile has been employed against targets in iran
03:10:11.760 so uh our own ballistics are shooting back okay that will be very interesting come next week uh
03:10:20.620 This has been Flying Gopnik and HypoZomata.
03:10:27.280 Do you guys have anything to plug?
03:10:29.900 Nothing to plug.
03:10:31.420 I have one closing remark,
03:10:33.640 which is that Kim Jong-un is sleeping snugly in his bed tonight.
03:10:38.500 It has indeed validated the decision
03:10:41.240 to create a domestic nuclear deterrent of his own. 1.00
03:10:44.480 The future looks surprisingly bright for North Korea. 0.81
03:10:48.020 i i'm going to tell you what gandhi told told me in civilization one rush nuke
03:10:58.900 this has been a this has been an amazing deep guy guys and you listeners out there stay glorious
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