00:15:13.300So the, I, I remember in the fading, in the fading Canada, my youth, there, there are all these exactly like this church summer camps and like these, these Americanisms.
00:15:29.820and there were these fading like little moments that uh
00:15:37.280that still had like kind of the magic of old canada to it like uh the the town band and
00:15:47.480you know german town band in this like german part of part of canada and like uh the uh being
00:15:56.600cadets and going to the local armory or uh or events at the legion hall hall and uh all these
00:16:07.040like very very like militaristic old imperial canada stuff that like uh would happen fleetingly
00:16:15.440and would happen in stark contrast all these uh the this spread of uh faking gay americanism
00:16:23.240All these bizarre American rituals that seem to suck by purpose.
00:16:38.720There's an element of your blood coming through in even the other Christian events that might have been organized by the Canadian church before this point.
00:20:44.400Like, I challenge you to read, like, Le Morte d'Arthur, one of the sagas, and just count the magic swords.
00:20:55.720Like, there are individual heroes who go through, like, half a dozen magic swords, you know, like a video game character leveling up.
00:21:06.380Like, magic swords and stuff are important culturally to these people, and they're just fucking with them.
00:21:14.140But this, you end off that this killed your faith.
00:21:26.380And I know there will be some Christian listeners who are shaking their heads like,
00:21:34.980no, this has nothing to do with the Bible and whatnot, that this shouldn't impact your faith
00:21:41.460or whatnot, or find it petty of you somehow to change your religious faith over something like
00:21:50.560this. But like, no, this is like one of the most important matters of conscience that you could
00:21:57.620have. Like, this is like all your being saying to be one way, and they purposely spat on it.
00:22:04.980In the last section of the story, I actually highlight that this was what Christianity was.
00:22:14.720And I used as the quote in that quotes from the Archangel Michael in Milton, which is the most heroic, forthright, manly version of Christianity that's possible.
00:22:28.540And, you know, that was my example of how this cucked attitude was exemplary of the Christian faith.
00:22:40.060Yes. Can you give us those quotes from the archangel?
00:22:46.880I don't have a wireless headset, so I can't go across to give you the full thing,
00:22:49.700but I'll give you the bit I quoted, which would be,
00:22:51.880there would be no triumph, no great conquerors, no patrons of mankind.
00:22:57.040And this was essentially how Milton characterised the Romans, basically, towards the end of Paradise Lost, where he's trying to draw a contrast between the Christians and the Gentiles.
00:23:17.660yes the the uh the purposeful rejection of like the heroic uh feuding vengeful great instinct
00:23:36.440the hatred of wrath and vengeance and in christianity like all these things that
00:23:43.960for the classical european makes life worth wink living in a winning glory a winning victory on
00:23:52.460the field uh contesting being the great the greater you know all these things that that
00:24:00.500little boys from noble cultures feel like in their bones uh this is where like dragon ball z
00:24:08.440appeals across all these different cultures because it's just like that basic level of being
00:24:15.260the greatest you can be and then going on testing with it and then like someone messing with you
00:24:20.400and you flying into rage to fight to fight them like this fundamental human experiment experience
00:24:28.340um there's this essential rejection of that in christianity you were kind of touching on this
00:30:48.780So the result was that anyone who was too cowardly or too weak to have killed a man was physically disgusting to look at and also spiritually unable to marry.
00:31:08.080The result being that every one of your ancestors, male ancestors, has killed a man.
00:31:18.780at least before a certain time period.
00:31:24.120And we have an example of a society like this,
00:32:58.020I don't think it was Tacitus himself actually
00:33:01.240But there was a Roman dignitary staying with a Germanic tribe.
00:33:06.620And one of his hosts was murdered by another Germanic warrior.
00:33:14.960And he was completely confused as to why the guy had suddenly, you know, jumped up and murdered this other noble king who, you know, seemed perfectly, like a perfectly good and reasonable man.
00:33:28.440and he said oh well his uncle insulted my brother or and then the roman's uh response was but why
00:33:39.600didn't you kill the uncle then he's like because he was the better man so he'd killed he'd killed
00:33:46.160this king because he was better than the uncle that had insulted his brother
00:34:20.160Europeans. And it doesn't exist in many places. Like, uh, Japan. Uh, of course, the samurai have
00:34:28.600their, like, own feuding, dueling system that is significantly different and has significantly
00:34:35.160different pressures. Like, uh, like, uh, you look at the Japanese, and it's similar, but it's not
00:34:44.820the same it produces a very different effects and uh very different looks on life and it's
00:34:52.760the japanese are beautiful people those effects you know are significantly better than many of
00:34:59.360the surrounding areas but it's not the same it didn't produce the the same types of
00:35:03.860attitudes the japanese kind of disappear into themselves because the hierarchy was uh
00:35:09.820was too complete you know they're they didn't have the wild frontier and like the instability
00:35:18.160that europe always had but uh but this is why this is where like european civilization comes
00:35:25.840from is we had this profound profound selection pressure in northern europe particularly
00:35:32.080particularly um forever and like the implementation of christianity
00:35:40.060for longest time was barely a hiccup in this because of course you know the natural pressures
00:35:46.880and like the existing aristocracy kept it going uh the the natural priesthood of a pagan society
00:35:53.240is its aristocracy you know these are the people who are maintaining it these are the people who
00:35:58.100can trace their lineages back to odin uh these are the people who have all the rituals and the
00:36:03.980courts and like uh you know the churches are parallel institutions to this they don't take
00:36:11.340over and then what you see especially in america where they successfully killed off aristocracy
00:36:16.800is uh the the religious morality of christianity just devours everything you know as soon as it
00:36:27.680It doesn't have the countervailing institutions and, like, spiritual structure of European aristocracy, which is, like, the natural correct hierarchy, which Christianity was, like, actually still dragging down that entire time.
00:36:48.120Like, there's a reason, you know, Europe wasn't pressing out and conquering Islam in, like, the 15th century, despite the fact that it should have been able to.
00:37:04.560all these all these pressures just all these institutions that maintain like
00:37:14.380white civilization die in america uh largely with the failure of the south because they were
00:37:20.880maybe one of the most aristocratic people ever but this is the south falls also only this uh
00:37:26.500this unbound Christianity just devours the entirety of American culture and
00:37:36.820aristocratic values survive on the frontiers for a bit but they decay almost immediately
00:37:46.240uh Theodore Roosevelt Teddy Roosevelt was uh you know the man who's the perfect blend of
00:37:54.440chud and chad uh the human embodiments equal parts both uh both memes he was going on in like
00:38:04.860the ninth the early 1900s about how the west has fallen and like uh and like western man is
00:38:14.180declining and how if we get rid of the barbarian virtues the civilized ones won't do us any good
00:38:20.460and trying to like form the Boy Scouts movement
00:38:25.120and like creating all the national parks
00:38:26.940to like stop Americans from becoming f*****s.
00:38:32.240It's interesting you bring up Boy Scouts
00:38:34.420because I was thinking about this earlier.
00:38:36.920He wasn't the only one to settle on Boy Scouts
00:38:40.980being the acceptable alternative for the missing aristocracy.
00:38:46.060The Germans also did this quite famously.
00:38:48.940And the Israelis did it too. It's actually the Likud party, the ruling party of Israel, Nehanyahu's voting demographic, are very proud of their origins as what's essentially a militarized Boy Scouts movement.
00:39:08.280yeah uh canada in the commonwealth uh canada very prominently but also the rest of the commonwealth
00:39:17.280uh had a an explicitly militarized scouting movement called cadets that uh was like actually
00:39:26.800administered by the military and like uh i think to this day it was when i was a kid but to this day
00:39:34.840The Army cadets, Derek Colent of an Eagle Scout, an Army cadet warrant officer, can go on the Canadian Army jump course at, I think it's 16, 17.
00:39:48.280They will send him on the, like, actual military parachute jump course while in, like, high school.
00:39:56.520that i i knew a guy who showed up as like a buck private uh first year in the in the army and uh
00:40:10.600his uniform he hadn't completed basic training but they had to give him his jump wings for his
00:40:15.900uniform because he didn't have his um he hadn't even completed his basic qualification but he
00:40:23.240was jump qualified this is of course like completely um completely vestigial in the
00:40:31.260canadian system uh just one of those like cool things that like you can still kind of do in
00:40:38.360canada now if you like know about it but like uh back in the day uh the cadets were like the entire
00:40:45.060like feeding system for the canadian military and were this massive organization and now
00:40:53.080It's important as a, like, rites of passage have been gradually stripped away from our society.
00:41:00.320Like, even the Christian ones that would have replaced the pre-existing ones, like Confirmation and First Communion and such are, you know, gradually losing their importance.
00:41:13.840Even by the time I was a child, they were an excuse for a kid to collect money from his relatives.
00:41:23.080Whereas something like the Boy Scouts, you know, it really does go all the way back to the steps that, you know, the kids at these exact ages were learning the exact same skills to survive in the forest outside the village.
00:41:39.120yeah and i don't know now now you have to have a little patch for kids who um
00:41:50.880kids who get so good in the drone simulator but uh like these were important important stuff
00:41:59.420and deep and part of the reason i want to have you on and talk about the god sword specifically
00:42:04.760is because I've been trying to nail down
00:42:08.360what it is specifically about modern morality
00:47:49.840I once had a thing I told a friend and he exactly recognized it.
00:47:55.840I might have repeated it since a few times,
00:47:57.920but uh the entire the jesus story right um it's really weird like the jesus story is profoundly
00:48:11.220weird compared to like almost any other story like uh like the narrative like what's the reward
00:48:18.580what's the compelling bit of this uh you know what like if you compare like uh the story of jesus to
00:48:26.140Like, I don't know, some other martyred hero, like some guy who struggles and fights and, you know, can't hold back the horde and whatnot and finally falls.
00:48:38.020Like, compare Jesus to Spartacus or Jesus to, like, some fallen king or Jesus to Macbeth.
00:48:46.220And it's like, you know, there's some broad narrative beats that line up with it.
00:48:50.700But, like, the actual, like, reward loop of listening to the Jesus story.
00:48:56.640You know, what feels compelling about the story to, like, the audience at any given moment?
00:49:04.860The Jesus story is not, like, is profoundly unlike most other stories in that the loop of what's fun about engaging the story is not there.
00:49:20.700Like if you compare it to, say, an action movie or a video game or like a, I don't know, a movie about a traveling, a successful top of his game sports player or something, which, you know, Jesus is the successful preacher.
00:49:40.380He's at the top of his game character compared to Thank You for Smoking or whatnot.
00:49:45.000There's this loop in Thank You for Smoking where Aaron Eckhart's character is going into these challenging scenarios and then performing incredibly well.
00:54:34.880But this is actually reassuring because there's a social performative
00:54:37.980While he's still in bondage on the countertop, basically.
00:54:41.440To understand why all these young women find Christianity so appealing, or why the gay kids find Christianity appealing, or why the crippled kids always like Christianity, you have to understand that resentful, smug feeling, or aspiratially smug feeling.
00:55:06.180that, that, yeah, I'm nobody now, but, uh, but one day they're going to look up at me on the
00:55:13.100cross and they're going to realize that I was right. And then I'm going to go to heaven and
00:55:18.440they aren't because, um, because I was morally superior, you know, you know, taking, taking a
00:55:29.840like morally superior joy in the persecution you know the the thrill that your ex-girlfriend got
00:55:41.220when you when you like forgot her birthday you know because now she gets to get you
00:55:49.100for forgetting her birthday or uh i remember one story of a of a girl um the guy
00:55:57.500she purposely bought like a big gift for their anniversary so that and didn't remind her husband
00:56:06.380of it at all going forward while he's on a big or a project project so that he would feel extra
00:56:12.600guilty uh when he forgot the anniversary and she'd gotten him a big present for it
00:56:18.440you know and she she had posted like a reddit thing say like laying out her scheme like oh i
00:56:26.700will i will get one over on him for for it was very self-aware but uh that that kind of joy
00:56:34.880in moral superiority uh it's the same fantasy of um if you watch some like the left behind
00:56:41.340properties or other rapture prop properties there's is um like the entire fantasy of it
00:56:47.700is this smug reassurance that, like, oh, you don't believe us now, but when the consequences come,
00:58:04.160I wonder, was there something in particular about the early Roman Empire that made writing for women much more valuable than for men, like maybe the wife controlling the household or gave outreach to all the slaves or something like that?
00:58:28.760so christ so the early roman empire you gotta remember um what's a lot like california
00:58:39.780like is today where um just every religious sect under the sun got a swing at being popular
00:58:49.580in the roman empire like uh from about
00:58:53.400uh this is also like like the exact same way america in the 60s and 70s it was like the first
00:59:03.180time that uh any eastern mystical sect could even take a swing at like pitching out all these white
00:59:10.760people because you know they hadn't had access to them before and they hadn't had media or anything
00:59:17.100like that. It was the exact same way in Rome in about first century AD that, you know, you had
00:59:26.560all these Egyptians and Parthians and Jews and Greeks and all these figures who had just been
00:59:37.300integrated into the empire. You know, Caesar conquered Egypt and like fully integrated Egypt
00:59:44.700into the empire just like 60 years before. And like a lot of the Near East was only integrated
00:59:52.000like very reasonably. Crassus had died in, not Crassus of Lydia, Crassus of Gaius Crassus of Rome,
01:00:03.420uh the first triumvirate had died in a pontus like uh like in 60 58 or so um that all these
01:00:14.280areas had just opened up and rome was this unified empire which had like cultural exchange
01:00:20.240and traders and stuff so it it was very much like um like california has been the past 40 50 years
01:00:30.080we had all these eastern mystical mystical sex uh showing up and working on these like
01:00:41.080like wealthy white women with too much time on their hands for the very first time and
01:00:48.620and so what you see in Rome is like Christianity wasn't the first religion to sweep Rome
01:00:56.160it was like the 80th uh like there had been the cult of mithra there had been the cult of isis
01:01:04.140there had been uh the m the emperor caligula had started a cult of himself at one one point
01:01:12.480and replaced all the gods with statues of himself uh the the cult of um you had philosophical
01:01:20.120movements like epicureanism and cynicism and and stoicism that were big fads in the empire
01:01:27.940and like took over the emperor at various various points you had um uh famously marcus aurelius was
01:01:37.560one of the great stoke philosophers that there that stoicism was prominent prominent right into
01:01:43.160the imperial court. You had the cult of the cult of Sol Invictus, the creator god of the universe,
01:01:54.760but like this philosophically derived one that had all these Greek characteristics.
01:02:00.060You had all these different cults come about and a lot of stuff that would become Christianity
01:02:05.420actually comes out of a lot of these different cults. So obviously Sol Invictus,
01:02:11.440uh a lot of the conception of omni benevolent uh on the um potent omnipresent uh these come
01:02:20.740a lot of these come out of soul so ambictus and plot platonic philosophy but uh you also have like
01:02:28.900stuff that borrows from like the cult of the caesars because the caesars were deified like uh
01:02:34.500like rome was a cosmopolitan multi-ethnic empire very much like america where it's just like
01:02:44.580like you can have all these different cults come about and saying you know it'd be like if
01:02:52.120if islam won and like took over america and took over europe and two thousand years from now
01:03:01.900everyone was islamic you know and they're like oh obviously islam was stronger than america
01:03:07.980islam was stronger than your than europe because we were allowed because we beat them we were the
01:03:15.740stronger even though we're less technological advanced all all this stuff you know all these
01:03:20.200things that christians say about paganism is like no you won because they the pressures of empire
01:03:28.520made them like more tolerant than anyone had ever been to that that point you know if islam wins in
01:03:36.840europe and conquers europe it's not because islam was stronger it's because europe europe got itself
01:03:43.880in a chinese finger trap where it couldn't be intolerant like it would have been at any other
01:03:49.520point point you know you you know the like the victory of christianity isn't that it took over
01:04:00.200the roman empire and became the fad religion for like a hundred years you know five different
01:04:05.380religions had done bad the victory of christianity is that when it took over it tore down the roman
01:04:11.460empire it it tore down all the traditional cults and stuff you know raised the pagan temples that
01:04:18.480were like it had long ago many of them had become like civic institutions you know you had to
01:04:24.260maintain these but these weren't really the focus of anyone's life but you have to maintain them
01:04:29.040the same way you know a lot of towns now maintain their uh cenotaphs and stuff that's like oh
01:04:35.460remembrance day isn't that big a thing anymore there aren't that many veterans left but you
01:04:39.500have to maintain them every one shows up once a year for for remembrance day or memorial day
01:05:42.660Yeah, we came to your towns and tore up the cenotaphs and raped your daughters in the legion halls.
01:05:51.640Islam was more powerful than the guns of the Somme.
01:05:57.220You know, that's the kind of thing that Christians do when they say,
01:06:00.460Oh, we defeated paganism. We were stronger than Jupiter.
01:06:06.280It's like you showed up, like, several hundred years later when it become, like, this cosmopolitan multicultural empire that already conquered the world and was already tied in knots trying to maintain the peace of all its different factions.
01:06:22.020And then you behaved like assholes and destroyed the entire thing.
01:06:28.100And that's, like, the unifying, this is where, like, Gibbon is fundamentally right if you read the...
01:06:35.280The decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
01:06:36.880The decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
01:06:39.860Is that, like, at the same time, not unlike today, at the same time that there are these invasions of barbarians happening back then from Germany, now from, like, the global south through Mexico and, like, you know, all these flights being brought in and all these migrants.
01:07:03.880at the same time that the barbarians were marching into Rome
01:07:12.620and, like, demanding privileges and stuff,
01:07:15.640demanding land be granted to them out of Roman territory
01:07:19.280and that they'd be given various privileges as citizens of Rome
01:14:32.680Judaism, as we know it, probably didn't even exist at that point.
01:14:38.820Yeah, so Judaism, like Talmudic Judaism, like slowly starts evolving, like the Babylonian Talmud and what that evolves in Babylon.
01:14:52.360but uh it is like the jewish diaspora does exist and this these are the people who are spreading
01:14:58.860like like christianity you know there are all these various jewish jewish sects but uh the
01:15:07.460ethnicity like early christianity like in the roman empire was an overwhelmingly ethnically
01:15:13.700jewish movement like there were a few greeks but it was um here's a lot like um wokeness is today
01:15:23.540where it's like uh where it's like this american ideology that's followed by like
01:15:30.940gays black women uh foreigners asian women you know all these ethnicities that have been brought
01:15:39.220into America but hate America because they aren't the core white ethnicity so they're
01:15:44.860they're forging this identity around their victimhood and trying to redefine the entire
01:15:53.720culture around around them and they actually despise the the core ethnicity but they're
01:16:00.920trying to persuade the core ethnicity of their own wickedness so as to gain power over them
01:16:09.220and that's that's what christianity was at the start it was this uh this uh network of like
01:16:18.080exiled jews um uh grecian slaves all these all these dinky little ethnicities that uh
01:16:27.760were allying against rome this is where like the goths wind up being christian very early
01:16:33.140because they're using a variant of Christianity,
01:16:39.160the Aryan heresy, to justify themselves in their conquests,
01:16:49.400not unlike how you'll occasionally hear Islamists use Chomskyite Ardengumens
01:16:56.620or like if you read Bin Laden's articles in, I think it was Inspire magazine at that point,
01:17:05.900Al-Qaeda had a magazine and there are articles from Bin Laden where he talks about how,
01:17:10.580oh, Americans are destroying the environment.
01:17:13.960They're spreading global warming, you know, recycling all these leftist talking points
01:17:19.260that have been prepared for him, you know.
01:17:22.400Bin Laden, I wrote an article on this, Bin Laden was a shit limb, deep diving this.
01:17:28.640But you see this collecting of grievances and this anti-white, anti-core ethnicity moral framework unifying in these various enemies of the core ethnicity,
01:17:49.760both in ancient Rome and in the latter days of the American Empire.
01:17:59.820So, would you say that wokeness is derived from Christianity
01:30:29.880This is something made up by Walter Kaufman, one of the translators in the 1950s.
01:30:34.480Yeah, he did have some genetic disease, though, which...
01:30:39.100He had a brain tumor, which was, like, slow acting, like his first headache associated with the disease was, like, when he was nine years old.
01:30:48.260But he did have to train like a maniac, basically. Well, not like a maniac, but he had to go on very long walks in the mountains every day just to keep his health in order, basically, because he was quite rapidly degrading otherwise.
01:31:06.660Yes, but he was like a very, like profoundly impressive in like 67, 1867.
01:31:20.680uh like he was a cavalryman in a prussian unit and they all expected him to uh become
01:31:32.480a captain in the unit like a cavalry officer uh before he had like an injury relayed to that
01:31:40.300and then he did come back for the franco-prussian war like he wasn't
01:37:50.240uh, Hank Seth and, uh, Pastor Douglas Wilson, these, uh, these, uh, kind of trying to be
01:37:59.240warrior Christians, these crusade, e-crusaders who will only crusade for Israel, you know,
01:38:07.120who only crusade for Zionism and, and Christianity can inspire passionate intensity in them for
01:38:16.120another people who are not white people or uh and stone choir is another example of this where
01:38:23.940it's like okay they aren't stone choir isn't faking gay um you know rainbow church and it's
01:38:32.580also not zionist zionist so it's like okay it's not actively doing damage the stone choir people
01:38:42.920which, you know, is actually a fairly impressive thing in modern culture
01:38:48.440that you could come to a set of values that's not actively doing damage.
01:38:52.340But then you dig into Stone Choir's values, and we got into this on the podcast.
01:38:59.480For example, they insist that the Earth is 6,000 years old,
01:39:06.520which, like, is 100% what's in Scripture.
01:39:12.920And is 100% what Christian values say, and if they're going to be, like, literalists or textualists at all, and not also have, like, you know, gay praise and stuff, they want to accept the whole of the text.
01:39:27.380But also, like, that's obviously not true.
01:39:34.900like uh like uh this is kind of going in over old reddit arguments and like uh new age atheism
01:39:44.780arguments but uh it is important the 6 000 year claim because
01:39:51.020a it's like fairly obviously not true like uh there are 500 year old tortoises like there's
01:39:59.420there are species of sea turtles that live about 500 years and we have like individual ones that
01:40:05.540were documented i think one died recently that like been originally seen by james cook and had
01:40:11.920been continuously cared cared for in that time uh so it's like okay the universe is five siege
01:40:20.080is uh 12 sea turtles old you know of 6 000 years 500 year old sea turtle it's 12 tardises 12
01:40:28.820generations of tortoises. Or your grandmother might live to 100 years. So Christianity is 60
01:40:36.660of your grandmother. Your 100-year-old grandmother has seen 2% of human history
01:40:42.220in her time, which is obviously not true. Like you can go and see land formations like at the
01:40:51.100Grand Canyon that were formed across millions of years. And if you stand and look at the Grand
01:40:58.060canyon you know that's older than your grandmother times 60 like you just conceive that that
01:41:06.800immediately by looking at at it that uh this is something that is like profoundly ain't ancient
01:41:14.800that this is something that goes back and back and back in time and you can see the little river
01:41:20.000that carved it and your mind can do the mental math and you can also just feel it in your bones
01:41:24.700that is older older than that uh in Ontario Canada you can go to the um the canyon that's
01:41:32.240been carved by Niagara Falls and if you actually look at on a map you can see okay Niagara Falls
01:41:38.320carves about a foot of rock away a year or did until they like put some like water retention
01:41:46.340stuff in a few decades ago but it carved about a foot of rock away a year and you can actually see
01:41:52.560the photos that's like yes the rock moved that that much and you can see the canyon and you can
01:41:58.200mentally model model and like just do the math of like where the canyon starts and where the
01:42:04.500niagara falls falls are and can see oh yeah it's carved that about 10 000 years and it's like well
01:42:12.820why does the canyon stop there what happened 10 000 years ago go and that exactly lines up with
01:42:18.440where the Niagara Escarpment starts, which was carved by the, the great ice sheets that covered
01:42:25.540North America during the last ice age. And like, this is all like visually apparent. You can go
01:42:30.720like on a bicycle trip and see all, all these like formations and, and this geological history
01:42:38.600within the small area and like, you know, be an hour to, to bike trip. And as soon as someone
01:42:47.480tells you the story it's very obvious to see that and it's very obvious like uh like the rock in
01:42:55.380certain places has shells in it that and the difference between the rock exactly lines up with
01:43:01.140with the story of like where the water was at certain certain times you can see uh the little
01:43:07.620formation of lake iroquois uh around like like ontario like this geological stuff is really
01:43:15.140really apparent when you when you look at it and the timelines like you can like uh in some places
01:43:22.460it's so visible you can mental math it that's like no that was not six thousand years but uh
01:43:29.200it's more important than that because uh if the earth is six thousand years old and we're all
01:43:35.280descended from Adam what's the problem with race mixing you know if everyone's descended from Adam
01:43:43.900And we went to the flood, and then everyone was descended from Noah like 1,000, 2,000 years later.
01:43:50.460You know, we're all cousins only to like 4,000 years.
01:43:54.880You know, which is not enough for racial differentiation.
01:44:06.700like uh your like uh the differentiation between uh north american indians and
01:44:18.740siberians and like uh steppe peoples is 10 000 years you know goes back to the bering sea
01:44:28.280lambridge and that's a 10 000 year different differentiation and those are profoundly that's
01:44:35.440like a racial differentiation but actually it isn't that huge a racial differentiation like
01:44:42.020if you compare you know mongolians to like um to like apache or cheyenne it's like okay these
01:44:50.760people are very different but you can actually kind of see the parallel between the two
01:44:55.540yeah if you squint really hard you can see it uh the the hungarians are allegedly decided from
01:45:04.500the hun this is a can of worms but like if you look at them you squint you can see it they
01:45:11.040they're way more like asian looking than the rest of europe yeah and and like uh they're
01:45:17.720Actually, apparently relatively closely related to the North American Indians, that the tribe of the Huns that had come out of the east was exactly like kind of from that area that the American Indians had departed to go across on the Lameridge.
01:45:39.280And like 10,000 years, so like not quite 6,000 years, but that's about the differentiation you get.
01:45:45.160You know, it's the difference between a Hungarian, a Mongolian, and an Apache.
01:45:52.560You know, if the earth was 6,000 years old, you know, all the Christian claims about racial differentiation
01:46:01.140and the various races of humanity all basically kind of being the same thing,
01:46:07.280and we should, like, work to get past our differences, and we're all created in the image of God.
01:46:12.940Like, you know, Hungarians, Mongolians, and Apache, you know, some of those are, like, are, like, much more devolved than others and have gone through, like, much better selection pressures and whatnot.
01:46:28.380But, like, if you squint, you can kind of say, yeah, that would kind of make sense in that world, you know.
01:46:36.200There'd be a lot of difference, but it would kind of make sense.
01:46:40.100That's not the case for the human races, you know.
01:46:42.940You know, we're talking tens of thousands of years, if not hundreds of thousands of years of differentiation between the human races.
01:46:54.560And this is, like, profoundly important that, like, Sub-Saharan Africans are, like, probably, like, several hundred thousand years differentiated from North Americans, if not more so.
01:48:12.340You know, the human race, if we were a different animal species from it, you know, if like, I don't know, dogs had conquered the earth, they classify humans as like five to ten different species, if not more so.
01:48:31.980And then there'd be like little places like Africa where it's like, oh, there's actually 20 different species in this small little area because there's so much racial difference.
01:49:26.120I will include that in the show notes.
01:49:28.940But this is profoundly important, that the world is not 6,000 years old.
01:49:35.460and the reason i'm focusing on this is is i want you to understand how much of the abrahamic
01:49:45.500religion is like this where it's like where it's like shouldn't be a problem shouldn't be a problem
01:49:52.140you wouldn't think would be a problem and then you focus in on something that's like core to
01:49:57.340the faith and they can never get rid of and then you realize that thing that's core to the faith
01:50:01.840was purposely put there core to the faith so that you'd have to always believe a lie and this is the
01:50:09.480universal thing about all abrahamic religions is that when you dig down on it and go well what's
01:50:14.520the core thing that you can't really get rid of that's uh essential to the faith and that essential
01:50:22.800thing that you can't get rid of because it's core to the faith like you can't get rid of the 6 000
01:50:27.200years because God created man. It's a creation. It's not an evolution. God created man. And Adam
01:50:35.040was there in the Garden of Eden without death and without sin. This is an entire episode of
01:50:41.200Stone Choir, 6,000 years and counting. They go into exquisite detail about why exactly
01:50:47.920you cannot be a Christian and not believe in the 6,000-year creation because Adam has to sin from
01:50:56.100god for in the garden for man to fall and for death to enter the world and for original sin to
01:51:03.520come about about and that that this is core to the entire cosmology and it's like well why is that
01:51:12.400core to the entire cosmology this seems really weird and then you realize that like no the like
01:51:18.240all these moral conceptions that like you're born with original sin well why are you born with
01:51:24.100original sin? Well, because there's generational sin from Adam. Why is there generational sin from
01:51:29.760Adam? Because he's created and he was the first man and all other men are descended from him.
01:51:35.500There's no one else. There's no one out there who doesn't have original sin. So you have to all be
01:51:40.980descended from Adam. It's like, okay, but why does that have to be 6,000 years ago and not like some
01:51:47.780nebulous before time? It's like, well, he was created. He has to be created in a time, but also
01:51:53.300there's there's this uh continuity right of the the entire abrahamic early abrahamic religion
01:52:01.740from adam from adam to noah genoa and then noah to abraham and downwards and they actually have
01:52:12.240the chart of it and it's like yeah and it's like um you know they all have these like obscenely
01:52:19.400long lifespans right you know there are these characters who's like like adam is supposed to
01:52:25.240live to like something like a several hundred years or a thousand and these characters are
01:52:31.300living hundreds of years and then one's just living to 120 years and the lives are getting
01:52:36.100shorter and shorter which is actually the exact opposite you know people are living vastly longer
01:52:41.780as time goes on but that wasn't always true to be sure there were there were periods when
01:52:48.000hunter-gatherers became... There were periods, but...
01:52:50.980Agricultural. Like ancient Rome, for example, the average
01:52:54.820lifespan was about like 18, and the average age
01:53:01.020in ancient Rome was 18. So like the Eurisocratic Romans lived much
01:53:05.040longer, and there were a lot of characters who lived longer than 18 in Rome.
01:53:09.080But the average age was a lot like Gaza today, where the average age
01:53:13.160is 8, 18. And that's actually important to understand, because
01:53:16.920these guys who get up to like age 40 or 50 are like twice as old as the median person like
01:53:24.020like a triarii who makes to like 40 is is not just like senior he's also like significantly
01:53:32.420older than all the junior guys in legion and when he's like retired as full citizen status
01:53:39.700like that really matters because he's older than everyone else he's richer than everyone else
01:53:46.920You know, this guy has achieved, is it of an age and a level of achievement that no one else is, that the majority of other people are not getting to.
01:53:57.300Like the slaves are not, very few amongst them, well, aside from the very intelligent or very skilled, are making it to 40.
01:54:07.640There was sort of a hard stop back then as well, just from dentistry wasn't very advanced and you'd literally die because you starved to death because you couldn't chew your food.
01:54:19.960there's that but there's also like a lot of the stuff that like we associate with like um and this
01:54:29.660is where like civilized roman life was like highly valued because of these these established roman
01:54:35.520citizens were like going to the baths every day and like having all these like hygienic practices
01:54:41.920and stuff that like are radically increasing their lifespan over everyone else and making
01:55:48.780Actually, the book of Genesis is like something of a—
01:55:52.820Genesis and all of that is something of a retcon that was like consciously created by Jews under occupation under Alexander.
01:56:01.420And that's why a lot of like Platonic philosophy is like written into Genesis,
01:56:09.100that there's this like real Platonic structure to the Old Testament.
01:56:14.640testament and a lot of these are arguments that's actually like written down and codified from like
01:56:21.420several different traditions like fairly late under the map under the genesis 11 is directed
01:56:29.720referencing buildings in babylon so even if you took a longer view you couldn't take much longer
01:56:36.320than that yeah exactly exactly and uh but some people say oh it's 600 or so but why should you
01:56:46.340believe it you know you know people are believing genesis but they aren't believing
01:56:51.460he sees the agony well why is that well there's supposed to be this like continuous religious
01:56:56.640tradition pass passed down that uh that even if genesis the final version wasn't written at the
01:57:05.860time there were other written versions that are like amalgamated and and ultimately the knowledge
01:57:13.060of what was happening in the garden with adam is like passed down by a word of mouth from like
01:57:22.020father to son on this chain of uh custody of the tradition and that's why who begat who matters
01:57:29.220right you know who'd be at who matters because if if they don't have that straight how can they
01:57:37.140have the rest straight you know adam begat so-and-so who'd be at so-and-so and this
01:57:42.260this chain of custody is maintained right down to uh the uh the jewish kings and like temple judaism
01:57:52.580the first temple and temple judaism and all all this and so there's this consistent chain of
01:57:58.820narrative custody for to the creation of the world that they maintain right so a if if that's
01:58:08.320not true right already you really don't have a reason to believe in the bible you know if that's
01:58:15.440not not true then all the rest of it like this chain of custody from god is just like you know
01:58:20.660a schizo-religious tradition you know it's king arthur it's comic books is what it is for those
01:58:26.600of you yeah yeah like uh so king arthur uh we have no idea who the historical king earth
01:58:34.880there was uh the arthurian myth mythology has been built upon and built built upon and when
01:58:41.300you actually go back and try to find historical figures that that have the attributes of king
01:58:46.300arthur like were they talking about arcturus the roman legion there were they talking about this
01:58:51.840General Arctur. Are they talking about Arthur, this Welsh warrior? You know, these guys with
01:59:00.240vaguely similar names across like 300 years. What you quickly run into is that Arthur is
01:59:07.980clearly an amalgam of five or six different traditions, and none of these actually quite
01:59:14.860add up. And the Arthur of Mallory is such an amalgam of different traditions that
01:59:20.800it doesn't really exist in the past and you know you can narrow it down to I really believe Arthur
01:59:27.380is a Welshman who was a general but not a king who was a great like swordsman and whatnot and
01:59:33.420it's like yeah there was a guy like that but then some guy would say I really believe King Arthur
01:59:39.180was like like a Roman and stuff and it's like yeah there's a guy like that 200 years before that
01:59:45.820who like shared none of the who didn't even share a language with the second guy with the first guy
01:59:50.520Or I really believe Arthur was a Saxon who did X, Y, and said, yeah, there's a guy like that.
01:59:57.700And, like, the importance of Arthur is really that all these traditions came together and they formed this, like, mythical guy who could be all their guy because all their actual guys fought each other.
02:00:11.480But, like, basically, unless you believe the 6,000-year thing, then basically everything in the Bible is King Arthur.
02:00:20.520And everything in the Bible is just like, oh, this is a cultural thing, this is whatnot, which is like, for any other ethnic tradition.
02:00:28.480I don't see why that's so unappealing, though.
02:00:40.320King Arthur is like badass and a good example for young people.
02:00:44.000And it's an amalgamated European wisdom and way of living of all these different ancestors and all these different tribes have come together to create the ideal English man.
02:00:57.300My favorite example of this is that the Horus heresy in modern Warhammer, which is the most popular story, is the story of King Arthur and Mordred.
02:01:07.880And they very clearly did not set out to create the story of King Arthur and Mordred.
02:01:12.820it's just the people that wrote it were English
02:22:27.260It seems to be of something that was forgotten by our parents' generation who believed laws were set.
02:22:34.520The idea that the rule of law executes itself, it's like, no, it's not a blockchain.
02:22:40.560Bitcoin executes itself, unless you control 51% of the miners.
02:22:48.920The Bitcoin blockchain executes itself because it's code.
02:22:53.120The law is whatever a judge, two lawyers and a jury agree on.
02:23:00.200Yeah, there was a line from Carl Schmitt, which was, law must be both interpreted and enforced, which I always used as my response.
02:23:17.940And I set up like a little debate club type thing in the sauna in my previous gym.
02:23:23.200yes uh language is profoundly like this but this is the thing with abrahamic religions because um
02:23:34.220the instincts of abrahamism and like uh the relation to universe is profoundly
02:23:40.900non-intuitive anti-intuitive like uh like uh the entire point of the abrahamic religion is really
02:23:50.820to reject most of your intuitive instincts you know to reject rage to reject revenge to reject
02:23:57.460wrath uh to reject your lust um uh to reject like a a lot of these like basic intuitive instincts
02:24:10.560uh to and this goes down abrahamism so you find like um like dean tarp
02:24:20.820And the Abrahamic religion is named after Abraham, who bound Isaac and agreed to sacrifice him for God.
02:24:32.020Why? Because that was the word of God.
02:24:33.820Well, was he going to get anything for him?
02:24:35.600No, God commanded it, and he was obedient to the word.
02:24:40.960I think that story, it's a bit of a distraction from the point you're making,
02:24:45.340but that story is probably one of the more important ones in Christianity, I feel.
02:24:50.820And Judaism from a historiographical point of view, because you see their cousins, the Phoenicans in North Africa, at the same time are still sacrificing babies, their firstborn child, to a giant bull statue.
02:25:10.360And this is their religious justification for why they can get away with, we're only going to symbolically steal the vitality from our firstborn sons.
02:25:22.180We're not going to actually steal the vitality from them by crushing them in a burning drum.
02:25:29.520Yes, but this is, so this is the thing with Abrahamism.
02:25:33.360Abrahamism. So the Greeks, like the Hellenics, they just say, no, we don't want to do that. So
02:25:42.260we stopped. You know, they'd like, uh, Diomedes stabbed the gods, uh, Venus and Ares. You know,
02:25:51.820the idea that like a Greek or a Greek people might have a feud with a god is like, you know,
02:26:00.120that that happens you know poseidon poseidon and like a greek city state could have a falling out
02:26:07.900and like uh that's not like metaphysically odd like the greeks are perfectly capable of
02:26:15.420conceiving themselves of just stopping doing a religious tradition if they don't don't like it
02:26:21.520name war. And there are stories like that. The Phoenicians, um, they sacrificed their firstborn
02:26:31.180son. And I maintain that their wealth actually did come from the fact that they sacrificed their
02:26:36.460firstborn sons. Because what happens when you sacrifice your firstborn sons? Well, all suddenly
02:26:42.460you have an extra daughter for every family, basically. You know, if the firstborn son gets
02:26:48.380sacrifice you have like a wide surplus of daughters so immediately the phoenicians
02:26:54.800you know the selection pressure the sexual selection pressure is gone so they start decay
02:27:00.220but uh suddenly you have all the excess women that you can marry off for like financial connections
02:27:07.680and you can see why that would be very very useful for a um
02:27:13.660for a trading people and you can see why i'm keeping the wealth concentrated on one male so
02:27:22.740like uh so like by the time you have on average you know one son and two daughters
02:27:28.460you know you're marrying off the two daughters the son easily gets gets a wife and all your
02:27:36.940wealth that you've accumulated is passing on um to one heir and is passing down that like
02:27:43.020naturally creates an accumulation of wealth like this is kind of the same reason people do abortions
02:27:50.520today foolishly at her argue but like the justification is it's going to bring you wealth
02:27:56.580and like you're going to be higher status for uh having pursued careers or whatnot as opposed to
02:28:03.760uh the child well the phoenician system uh produce that but the abrahamic system specifically says
02:28:12.160no we would have done it for no advantage because we're absolutely loyal to god we're absolutely
02:28:21.380obedient to him and god stopped us we did not stop ourselves which is an interesting twist
02:28:30.820on the explanation that no absolute obedience is 100% due and we would have 100% do it but God
02:28:39.600didn't want it uh uh and this like kind of like absolute obedient mentality this loyalty to the
02:28:50.800word first and foremost not to like your own intuitive intuition which says no I don't want
02:28:55.940to kill my my kid and not to like uh not to even you know reason where like you can imagine a
02:29:02.980phoenician being talked into that bargain you know if you do this you will get this you know
02:29:11.100if you perform this ultimate sacrifice you will have wealth beyond measure uh it's not
02:29:17.580a rational bargain or anything it's we would be absolutely obedient for no reward and the only
02:29:25.980reason we're not doing it is because we're still loyal to the word and we are told told not to and
02:29:31.820this uh rejection of intuitive belief and like rational self-interest as well you know it's not
02:29:40.620Your personal intuition, like Diomedes, when he charged forth and stabbed the goddess Venus because she was trying to take his quarry, Paris, away from his spear, or not for, like, your actual self-interest like the Phoenicians, but purely for, like, moral, absolute obedience that you behave.
02:31:38.860You know, they've purposely constructed a moral framework where they have no agency or responsibility because they're slaves that worship the Jewish God.
02:31:49.600Yes. Yes, it's this bizarre thing that came out of, like, Semites under Babylonian slavery.
02:31:59.000You know, these people who lived under a god king and then constructed a god king when they no longer had a god king.
02:34:48.680Well, it sounded like the libertarian excuse for why you wouldn't fix things or act decisively to resolve things.
02:35:02.800But the other thing is, like, the point of Stone Choir, which is the case if you listen to the episode, is that there's a crisis in Christianity.
02:35:17.060i don't think any anyone listening uh christian or non-christian would debate that that there's
02:35:25.560this profound crisis within the christian faith that it's you know there are all the rainbow
02:35:30.580churches then they're all the zionist churches and and christianity has this profound profound
02:35:38.680crisis of just how compromised it is by everything all these compromised christian churches all these
02:35:44.760denominations. You know, oh, obviously you can't attend a Protestant church. They're cucked. Well,
02:35:51.620obviously you can't attend a Catholic church. They're cucked. Well, obviously you can't attend
02:35:55.880an Orthodox church because they're actually cucked in these other ways. Okay, so what
02:36:03.420denomination can you attend? Oh, there's plenty. There's plenty. Which one? Which one?
02:36:07.600uh uh uh you know i had a thing uh name one denomination i could attend within like 200
02:36:17.100kilometers of me that would be non non-cut but they can't have uh run a refugee relief program
02:36:25.780and people would name well you could do this one and then i just type in the name of that
02:36:30.860denomination refugee relief no they've sponsored refugees to come into the country no they've
02:36:36.300sponsored refugees to come into the country. No, they sponsored refugees to come into the country.
02:36:41.760One named a specific church that I looked up the exact name of the church. No, they sponsored
02:36:48.620refugees to come into the country. Then he was like, no, that's not the church I attended. I
02:36:53.240attended this one. They had to look up that other specific church with a .ca instead of a .com.
02:37:02.040and they had also sponsored refugees to come into the country uh like ridiculous amounts of like
02:37:10.920betrayal and and copes that no it's still good enough it's so good enough uh it's you
02:37:19.500but uh the so like the natural solution think is like okay well if you're non-cut you start a
02:37:29.060church. You know, this is a crisis moment, you know, and if there's one thing that I will praise
02:37:37.340the New Testament for, it's very clear that you, that you are to start a church if there's no
02:37:44.600better option. You know, all of Jesus's disciples, they all started churches. He was just pulling,
02:37:52.260you know, he pulls a fisherman, you're a fisherman now, that like there is seemingly
02:37:57.400like some mandate for direct action by just the individual faith right you know
02:38:05.080mary magdalene a former prostitute is sent out to preach which is scandalous but also like
02:38:13.860there is a mandate for individual action and it's shocking therefore that uh
02:38:21.920actually no there's this profound unwillingness to like take action or like to take in a like
02:38:32.860individual leadership in relation to anything related to christianity and these shriples that
02:38:40.620come up that came up around uh woe specifically uh starting a church which again i don't want to
02:38:48.760beat up on him too much you everyone has stuff going going on in their life but like uh the
02:38:55.500scribbles that he spoke to uh was very much like anyone who's been on the right for for a while
02:39:05.500knows these scribbles that uh that as soon as it's like well we could do something that could
02:39:10.860actually affect something and then no we can't because and then you know well you quickly
02:39:20.080realize is that people start searching for reasons why action can't be taken because
02:39:25.420because the real reason is like oh if we did that we might do something we might be effective in
02:39:32.500some way and that in itself sets off the heckles that like oh no there must be something wrong
02:39:38.480about that you know that that itself had that they've been like beaten so long the idea of
02:39:47.380something that might actually do something and be effective is like immediately sets off their
02:39:55.560like beaten dog reaction they're like no there must be something wrong with this I need to find
02:40:00.580to shripple from why we can't do that. And I just don't see that in paganism at all.
02:40:11.700I don't see that in any of the Western pagans. I say, you know, I don't really know what
02:40:19.680uh a pagan church should look like uh obviously i do not have the infrastructure to run like uh
02:40:31.560a weekly church service like a location or a ready supply of um
02:40:38.080people to run like a weekly church service but uh i have my monthly book club my monthly
02:40:44.300classic book club that does meet in person yeah and and also has an online component and also has
02:40:50.920now i have a second uh in-person book club that does meet once a month yeah you're like title
02:40:56.660tyler durden yeah exactly and it you know it's not a fight club it's a book it's a book club
02:41:04.440but uh but it's like no we are meeting we are reading like classical texts we are reading
02:41:10.080Caesar's Gaelic Wars, you know, a book written by God himself about how he won his wars.
02:41:16.600We are, we did read Xenophon, we did read Thucydides, we did read the Iliad, one of
02:41:29.100Skulls and shields crushed under the wheels of Achilles' chariots, profoundly sacred.
02:41:34.840it. We did read La Mortarthur. We are going to be circling back to the sagas. We're reading
02:41:45.700The Storm of Steel this month, maybe one of the most Germanic texts ever written.
02:41:53.340You listeners at home, I'm including a link in this podcast to the Anarchonomicon Discord server.
02:41:59.900do join if you want to join us for the book club and read the storm of steel this month and books
02:42:06.140subsequent months um in ontario we do have the in-person book book club i'll tell you about if
02:42:12.700you shelf at the discord in the discord server uh but like you know starting a book club which is
02:42:21.540what a church is that's what it that's what christianity is it's a book club of one book
02:42:26.900that can be done like very very quickly you know you meet up with drinks and you discuss
02:42:36.280discuss attacks and you have like camaraderie and in friendship and stuff and you know from there
02:42:44.160you have like little outings and whatnot and you build up your little rituals like
02:42:48.700that's a profoundly doable thing that's like one of the most basic units of community building
02:42:54.680And the fact that what I see within, like, the crusader-based Christianity is that that's not happening, that, like, all these e-crusaders cannot start, like, a basement church, you know, cannot start a, oh, come over to my place and we'll have cheese and crackers.
02:43:22.580and we will read the Bible and we'll do communion with, like, a bottle of wine,
02:43:28.220which is, like, all that's necessary, you know.
02:43:32.600You know, and if that doesn't work out, you know,
02:43:36.200oh, we made some friends and we can go to, like, a better church
02:43:41.080or, like, we can scale it or do whatever.
02:43:44.640We can move to Bob's basement if that's not working.
02:49:43.900You know, trying to, you know, what is your Eucharist, basically?
02:49:49.420You know, what, what specific rituals do you do at specific times for what specific metaphysical reasons, reasons, so as to appease some formal set of rules for a specific, specific God.
02:52:29.260and let the spirits of your ancestors guide you
02:52:32.300And Odin in the stories was famously obsessed with prophecy and he was going to the dead, learning what had happened so he could learn what would happen and bringing that all together as one.
02:52:46.940And that's what Yule was about originally, although obviously over time, you know, people forgot that and continued practicing all the same.
02:52:57.740And the general spirit was underneath it all, even if they didn't know the specifics or even care about the specifics or were nominally Christian.
02:53:08.200Yes. And like a lot of the traditions of modern Christmas are shockingly continuous.
02:53:15.940So, like, it's like children leaving out milking cookies for Santa is actually a very ancient tradition of children would leave out carrots and other fruit for sleep near Ones' eight-legged horse.
02:53:36.300Yeah, and the eight-legged horse became eight reindeer.
02:56:44.380this is this is true however uh i find in the in the greece like uh it's especially homer there's
02:56:58.220like uh you can kind of overstate the uh the significance of the gods i have the story about
02:57:07.040the uh the home the iliad that uh a lot of the gods intervening on the battlefield are actually
02:57:15.380um masks that were worn because they don't have like uh they don't have banners uh on the
02:57:22.640battlefield but what you see is the gods behaving in the role of like banners and colors and like
02:57:30.160uh, these, these rally around the flag effects. Uh, at one point Ares is like charging into the,
02:57:37.300um, Grecian line and the mass of Trojans is like following them. And then Diomedes has to like
02:57:47.560convene with the leaders and they all agree that they're going to stab Ares, the god.
02:57:52.840And so Diomedes runs up and stabs him, and he falls back, and in the text, he immediately ascends to heaven and is browbeaten by Zeus for intervening on the battlefield so directly.
02:58:09.160but uh like you look at and it's like how does Diomedes defeat a god in single combat
02:58:16.580you know that'd be impressive for Achilles to do and then you realize oh it was probably
02:58:21.820like uh you look at how the gods behave and how the Greeks are treating the gods like at one point
02:58:28.060um at one point Poseidon looks down on the battlefield steps off a mountaintop
02:58:36.180where he's, you know, a thousand feet tall
02:58:39.520and bestrides the Aegean in like four steps
02:58:42.840and then shrinks down to the size of a man
02:58:45.640and walks up to Agamemnon and Diomedes
02:59:04.100And the reaction is like, you know, I don't usually listen to the gods, but this one's actually making some good sense, you know, as if they're talking about a mall Santa.
02:59:17.300That, you know, it's a guy in a costume, and he's kind of speaking out of churn, talking to us this way, but he's making some good points.
02:59:27.580And so the gap between the Iliad and Thucydides, I think, is significantly smaller than you might think.
02:59:44.140But it's certainly true that religion is playing a massive role in the lives of everyone in the Iliad.
02:59:51.480And, like, as soon as, like, the heroes are alone, they're having, like, these trippy religious experiences where gods are, like, talking to them on deserted islands or, like, giving them advice that they should disguise themselves as beggars when they return home, even though, why would they do that?
03:00:11.560by god whispers it in their ear and so they do it and then that turns out to be right and it's like
03:00:16.920this externalized instinct of listening to to the gods or putting their faith in like uh this
03:00:24.340intuitive idea of of athena or like athena appearing in the guise of someone new like
03:07:48.120And I think there is some archaeological evidence that this was the case, that there was, like, you know, families in the Crimea sort of traveling to Thessaly in northern Greece.
03:08:01.200and intermarrying like there was like a a continual trade and culture connection there
03:08:10.660yeah this might be built on so like if you think of just like the game theory of like when
03:08:18.060like a female fighter of some kind would be possible like uh the the natural
03:08:25.460thing for like where it's like okay a woman wouldn't be completely useless under these
03:08:32.480military circumstances or like uh anything to do with like animal handling and like uh archery
03:08:40.200right because women can perform archery quite well we've seen the olympics and women can do
03:08:47.200animal handling quite well now we've also seen the olympics and and like also anywhere those
03:08:55.960intersect that's also like kind of a low risk form of warfare like that's that's a low risk
03:09:02.540skirmishing because uh like obviously women uh if your tribe tries to put women into
03:09:12.320a form of combat where it's high risk high reward like infantry combat uh women try to participate
03:09:23.140in like sword fighting warfare well the reward matrix is if you win you get nothing maybe a
03:09:31.000slightly better male mate who would have bedded you anyway because eggs are expensive sperm it's
03:09:38.320cheap cheap whereas if you lose you die whereas for men there's a natural reward to take place in
03:09:46.580higher to participate in a high-risk warfare because if you win uh you can get lots of female
03:09:54.760like concubines and wives and stuff so far as if you lose you die but from a like evolutionary
03:10:02.300perspective you know winning a battle and then getting like a half dozen female slaves that's
03:10:08.720very very worth it as a male and that like the tribe has a natural way to like reward that
03:10:15.620and the battle itself has its own logic that rewards that so what you'd expect is that like
03:10:21.020the only place that like women would really participate in warfare um effectively both
03:10:27.600From the perspective of, like, being able to do it, but also from the perspective of, like, not enduring so much risk that, like, it wouldn't be worth it and, like, would destroy the tribe if they did.
03:10:41.340it would be anywhere with, like, skirmishing cavalry. Like, anywhere where cavalry archers
03:10:49.720are a big thing, or anywhere aristocratic enough to have, like, chariot archers. Because chariot
03:10:58.080archers, like, have a battlefields escape pod. Like, they're aristocrats who can, like, stand
03:11:04.480off, ride around their enemies, fire arrows, which are incredibly effective against, like,
03:11:10.840anyone who's not wealthy enough to have
03:15:14.200And, like, where in European history you still see women, like, participate in warfare, it's huge—effectively, it's almost always in a role like this, of the Germanic screeching women are not in the chariot.
03:15:31.080They're in the baggage, the wagon train, or a Boudicca in the British still employ chariots in the Roman time.
03:15:43.720And women appear in the Boudicca Rebellion.
03:15:48.760Or for a very recent one, women, the Soviets employed women in their tanks.
03:15:59.520Apparently there were like, several Soviet tanks were designed very small.
03:16:06.020So you need a short man to fill certain roles or a woman.
03:23:22.240like uh those little uh drip edits or like uh little dark age edits a mastering commander
03:23:34.020or whatever uh those have a big effect if they get like people to watch master and commander
03:23:41.520who would not have otherwise uh getting people to watch like zulu or um getting people to engage
03:23:51.920with like classic classic films that like are completely morality poisoned by by hollywood
03:24:00.460Or like, being able to watch John Borman's Excalibur, you know, a film that looks like it was made in another dimension that's so divorced from Hollywood conventions.
03:24:14.860As someone who has a quite significant collection of King Arthur books, it's almost certainly the best iteration of King Arthur you'll find is actually the film by John Borman.
03:24:26.840it's so extraordinary like the fact that it like like it actually starts with uther and a grain
03:24:37.340grain and like the war with uh cornwall and like exactly as lustily as the classic arthurian stories
03:24:47.920like like you see that and you're like oh it's like oh is this like a like uh 80s like sex and
03:24:55.420violence like reinterpretation it's like no no no that's that's what the arthurian legend
03:25:00.520legends are like it's like this incredible overwhelming like lust and romance and violence
03:25:07.900and vengeance you know forever is what the arthurian legends are like you know you know
03:25:16.520just that sequence with the uther in a grain if you watch that like back to back like a thousand
03:25:22.340times and that's what la mort arthur is like uh uh and
03:25:30.420and that's exactly what they want to strip out of like all our classics is you know all the
03:25:40.460violence all this all the like actual like meaningful sexual relationships you know
03:25:46.380all the like pro-creative heterosexual sex like all the like romance and passion yeah a film i'll
03:25:53.440recommend for our listeners are uh kind heart and coronet was released in 1948 but it had started
03:26:03.540filming before the war and had to be paused for the duration of the war and it is the perfect
03:26:41.540But no, like tracking down these, these good versions of the story so that you can like pass them on so that you can have like a film version that like kids and like, you know, retarded normies and stuff won't gauge gauge with.
03:27:02.120this is an incredibly important part of maintaining your European culture,
03:27:07.360that, like, you know, when people encounter Napoleon,
03:27:09.780it's not the Ridley Scott, like, narcoleptic, like, man-child.
03:27:17.720That when people encounter King Arthur,
03:27:20.080it's not like some faking gay version from the 2010s.
03:30:46.400But yeah, finding and rescuing these movies.
03:30:50.260I'd actually add a Christian movie, a profoundly Christian movie to this list that shockingly no American Christians have seen.
03:31:02.860Khartoum, the story of Chinese Gordon in the Sudan.
03:31:06.880Uh, Gordon was, uh, this was one of Martin Scorsese's favorite films, uh, but Gordon was a British general who was sent into the, uh, into the Sudan to fight, uh, the Mahdi, this, uh, yes, just like the, just like Dune.
03:31:25.760uh the Mahdi this uh prophet of Islam who'd risen and was uh going to massacre all the civilians
03:31:34.800of Khartoum of like the rival religions and stuff and he goes in and raises a private army
03:31:42.880to prevent this massacre in like the 1880s um was the Sudan expedition and like dies a martyr's
03:31:52.140death defending Khartoum, but that actually dooms the Mahdi and makes the British finally intervene
03:31:59.480in spite of the protests of the media and whatnot. He dies this glorious martyr's death
03:32:06.540trying to imitate Sir Galahad or one of these like classic British warrior martyrs of like
03:32:17.660profound Christian faith and like rightly should have been sainted and wasn't uh mind you he was
03:32:25.740Protestant so the Catholics wouldn't have sainted him but uh but the film version is profoundly
03:32:32.400good and features Lawrence Olivier as the Mahdi in blackface and and Americans just don't care
03:33:12.120It's like the Tintin comics. It doesn't actually matter what the plot of a Tintin comic is.
03:33:16.940The aesthetics and the weird Belgian representation of sub-Saharans is enough for you to get the gist of it, regardless of what the message is.
03:38:54.620He had a fun, you know, three days or a week, hopping from farm to farm in a helicopter, you know, being ferried around by, you know, a full complement of British troops.
03:39:10.700As they, you know, basically they were just trying to give the impression that the rule of law is still employed.
03:39:20.800I'm glad your grandfather survived that.