Anarchonomicon - November 03, 2026


Ep40 “The Devils” with Entronius

Ep39, “Wotan” with John Carter

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1 hour and 51 minutes

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14,476

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253

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36

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70

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Transcript

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00:00:00.000 They will chain you like Prometheus to a rock where the memory of your own greatness will gnaw you.
00:00:30.760 The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena.
00:00:37.180 The video drum.
00:00:38.480 You look around, what do you see?
00:00:39.760 Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters.
00:00:43.920 The very minds of the people we are trying to save.
00:00:46.820 But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy.
00:00:52.280 No, we're not doing that.
00:00:54.340 You're getting called a slur.
00:00:56.200 After all, there is nothing real outside our perception.
00:01:00.000 of reality is there.
00:01:03.700 You can see that, can't you?
00:01:05.900 I don't know.
00:01:06.480 Tribal people, one of the main kinds of sport
00:01:09.920 is sort of butchering each other. 1.00
00:01:11.960 It's a full-time sport in tribal societies.
00:01:15.160 You, my children, are the water. 0.99
00:01:18.540 They will wash away all that has gone before. 0.98
00:01:23.540 The gleam in the eye of sex.
00:01:26.200 It's very simple.
00:01:27.840 The message is, force is more effective than vote.
00:01:31.740 Elections change nothing.
00:01:33.320 But I had some ideas.
00:01:34.260 We got global and tribal.
00:01:35.780 We, you know, we were going to come up.
00:01:37.040 The closer you get together, the more you like each other.
00:01:39.140 Yeah.
00:01:39.840 There's no evidence of that in any situation that we've ever heard of.
00:01:44.000 Major Lennox answered with his life, as you should have done if you had any sense of honor.
00:01:48.100 You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.
00:01:52.880 And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
00:01:59.880 He who saves a nation violates no law.
00:02:05.880 All forms of violence are a quest for identity.
00:02:10.880 When you live out on the frontier, you have no identity. You're a nobody.
00:02:15.880 Therefore, you get very tough. You have to prove that you are somebody.
00:02:20.880 and so you'll become very violent. 1.00
00:02:23.720 I'm coming to kill you! 1.00
00:02:26.200 For greater safety, please avoid the English language. 0.99
00:02:32.420 Please do not translate this message.
00:02:36.380 And so identity is always accompanied by violence.
00:02:40.320 This seems paradoxical to you?
00:02:42.840 It works.
00:02:44.020 Violence works.
00:02:45.800 Therefore, television is reality.
00:02:49.720 And reality is less than television.
00:02:52.760 Were you listening to me, Neo?
00:02:54.680 Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?
00:02:56.960 It's just a grotesque postmodern psyop, 0.99
00:02:59.340 and anyone who's fallen for this is brain damaged.
00:03:02.120 I didn't finish it because I'm also reading Infantry Attacks,
00:03:10.000 and I'm just...
00:03:14.120 my attention is so divided
00:03:17.800 in many things
00:03:19.100 I'm so behind on Rommel
00:03:21.800 dude like
00:03:23.000 that's coming up
00:03:25.480 that book club's coming up 0.99
00:03:26.780 and I need to get infantry attacks
00:03:29.800 it's staring over there
00:03:31.860 at me
00:03:32.400 I've been divided between
00:03:34.480 the last good motorcycling
00:03:37.840 week and metal concerts
00:03:39.440 my life is too base dude
00:03:43.920 my life is too based but uh too based to read
00:03:48.380 exactly but no we we do have to do a uh a series at some point on the king yellow because that's
00:04:00.380 such a good book and no one gets it but me because i'm a genius and yet and yet my life
00:04:07.560 is eternally a king in yellow story but uh but anyway hello hello hello glorious listeners
00:04:15.820 welcome to another exciting episode of the anarcho-alcon podcast
00:04:19.660 i am joined again today by returning guest entronius uh say hello hello so entronius also
00:04:30.800 What other names do you go by?
00:04:35.260 There are a few.
00:04:36.880 Entropino.
00:04:37.740 I usually go by Entropino,
00:04:40.140 but Entronius is because I got banned
00:04:42.600 off Discord once and I needed a new name.
00:04:47.440 We won't inquire
00:04:48.620 inquires of what you said
00:04:51.180 to get banned off Discord.
00:04:53.060 I threatened a journalist, I think.
00:04:55.100 No, I was in a server where a journalist got banned.
00:04:57.220 Never mind that.
00:05:00.800 good stories
00:05:01.860 but yes so
00:05:04.020 and you produce some other content
00:05:06.500 if you want to plug anything
00:05:09.320 do plug right away
00:05:10.740 I have a
00:05:13.340 YouTube channel which
00:05:14.640 I don't produce a lot
00:05:17.040 on
00:05:17.780 lately I've been playing
00:05:20.500 what is it the John F. Antel books
00:05:23.160 sometimes
00:05:25.200 I rant in there
00:05:27.320 but
00:05:30.000 i i have not made much content in the world yet i've just found out got into trying to make ai 0.90
00:05:39.260 videos and i'm trying to make fucking real life dwarf fortress videos it's probably going to crash 0.87
00:05:47.240 but i am my attention is divided like that no uh you're you're still further into youtube than me 0.80
00:05:56.940 I keep telling myself, this is, this is the month I have to get, I have to produce YouTube content.
00:06:02.660 I have to expand my audience.
00:06:04.560 I have to, I have to start, stop burning out the audience I have on, on all my esoteric, insane takes on everything.
00:06:15.600 And expand to more people that I can burn out.
00:06:18.260 But you, Intronius is also one of the most important members of the AnarchonomCon community, both because you've been here, I think, almost every book club, but you also did the Misery March.
00:06:40.640 uh for those of you listening who are unaware uh misery marches uh our concept that i started i
00:06:49.060 by the time you're listening to this i might have a piece up on the misery march or uh
00:06:55.140 or unpacking the misery march a deep reaping from it but uh but a misery marches were a concept i
00:07:04.000 came up with that uh on hopefully the worst days of the years which we had a nice day so it wasn't
00:07:10.640 as bad as it should have been uh we do a brutal force march through suburbia industrial parks
00:07:18.320 and all the places that no normal hiker would ever go uh
00:07:24.400 uh 30 kilometers from nowhere to back into the city uh we did nowhere to nowhere which was
00:07:33.380 an interesting aesthetic choice but uh but after we got lost because a bridge was out
00:07:40.540 And our 30 kilometer march
00:07:43.240 Turned into a 35 kilometer march
00:07:45.620 Which is about like
00:07:46.760 20 miles
00:07:48.340 It took like
00:07:49.860 9 hours once we added in
00:07:52.960 The breaks and stuff
00:07:55.180 Yeah you must realize
00:07:58.960 Sorry
00:08:00.620 You must realize that
00:08:02.080 In the end of the march
00:08:05.340 You start to go a lot slower
00:08:06.900 Than at the start of the march
00:08:08.520 Yeah no
00:08:10.380 Oh, our pace slowed down to like three kilometers an hour, which is like horrendous.
00:08:14.300 Partially me, but I don't know. 1.00
00:08:17.020 You were a chirper, dude. 1.00
00:08:18.740 You, you. 1.00
00:08:21.420 I was deeply...
00:08:23.460 We had a lot of people with like odd things about them.
00:08:30.680 I was worried partially the entire time.
00:08:33.380 You know, I can't kill someone the first march.
00:08:35.400 I can't injure anyone the first misery march, because then we won't have a second.
00:08:40.380 but uh but i know we the oldest marcher was 60 uh you flew in from europe to walk the most
00:08:53.500 miserable uncenic part of north america the the sprawl of like not not nice scenic inner toronto
00:09:01.220 like outer toronto ajax to the beaches just i remember there were many going up stores
00:09:12.020 yes uh uh in amongst the vape shops and the cannabis dispensaries and the endless miles
00:09:20.180 of uh housing projects 30 kilometers back to civilization and
00:09:25.620 And it was a great feat of endurance.
00:09:31.700 It was a great character and team-building activity.
00:09:36.520 I'm not sure if you'll come out for the subsequent ones.
00:09:40.800 I concluded after this that for the next ones,
00:09:45.320 we are not going to end a misery march ever again on the edge of town.
00:09:50.960 we every single one is going to end in the center of some metro area just so you can feel like you
00:09:58.240 got somewhere so that the last last few miles you can actually see something like in the distance
00:10:04.120 hitting closer and like you know we're almost there we're almost there and so that like but
00:10:11.320 if it goes like into the evening the convenience stores aren't close which like i ran out of water
00:10:16.700 i didn't realize like how close to death i was by the end of it because i ran out of water and i
00:10:22.240 thought i'm fine i was worried about other people but there were no convenience stores open by the
00:10:27.400 end of the marks the last like two three hours like you couldn't get water if you wanted to
00:10:31.600 um which was i remember me dropping off water because it was too much weight
00:10:39.160 i was like yeah i'm just gonna drop it off we have enough amongst ourselves
00:10:44.200 well that's what i did the first convenience store i'm like why am i carrying six liters of water
00:10:49.680 and like just chucked into the trash and then by the end of it i was like
00:10:53.740 like dying of thirst uh but it but no it was a wonderful experience we're not trade
00:11:02.680 the memories for anything that was a that was a great trip um
00:11:07.220 absolutely wonderful
00:11:11.000 I will have the debrief
00:11:12.840 up soon, it's coming
00:11:14.700 just like the dragons in Game of Thrones
00:11:17.040 it's coming
00:11:17.660 debrief?
00:11:21.220 what's that
00:11:22.360 is that going to be your review of the march?
00:11:25.640 yeah yeah, a written review
00:11:26.920 so that the people who followed it online
00:11:29.040 can see that we actually
00:11:30.880 did it, it actually happened, there are some
00:11:32.820 cute funny stories
00:11:33.920 we wound up having to do a
00:11:36.540 five kilmere detour
00:11:38.440 because the bridge was out
00:11:40.060 which is insane
00:11:42.160 in an urban environment
00:11:43.660 yes I remember us
00:11:50.220 contemplating if we should
00:11:52.100 if we should
00:11:53.800 what is it
00:11:55.880 run the train tracks
00:11:57.940 yeah we should run across
00:12:00.240 like highly
00:12:01.780 signs everywhere
00:12:03.240 no entry train tracks
00:12:05.380 tracks or like ford a river and then as soon as we uh we like go and just take a peek there's
00:12:13.700 already a rail conductor uh rail like security crew down the way that apparently that's quite
00:12:21.820 popular and they they like basically have staff permanently assigned uh because they had like
00:12:29.160 fenced off an entire section of the city this park they were renovating i didn't know you could
00:12:35.840 do that to a major city park but they did uh uh it was it was quite something a long journey
00:12:45.080 through mortar the sound of the cars i i never i never experienced this before so i've done like
00:12:53.380 Many, many hikes are, like, 30, 40 kilometers or whatnot across the span of, like, a day.
00:13:01.480 But doing it on, like, like a pavement, like on sidewalk,
00:13:08.980 and having cars whizzing by you the entire time is so, so exhausting.
00:13:15.880 Though it's so painfully, like, hellishly exhausting that, like,
00:13:19.980 When we finally got to the end, it turned down a leafy street to get to the last segment.
00:13:29.180 It was like entering Narnia.
00:13:31.640 It was absolutely incredible how much just the sprawl sucks energy out of you.
00:13:39.120 Educational.
00:13:41.200 Also, dear listener, contrary to a nightmare I once had,
00:13:46.360 Kulak is not
00:13:48.020 a small Indian man with a voice 0.99
00:13:50.580 changer
00:13:51.060 no you met
00:13:54.600 me in person
00:13:55.220 you know that
00:13:57.480 I did once have a nightmare like
00:14:00.540 that
00:14:01.120 no no
00:14:04.140 it's not true
00:14:08.160 but
00:14:13.120 today we
00:14:16.360 changing the subject today we are not discussing the misery march today we are discussing uh
00:14:25.800 a film we saw while you were over not the new director's cat uh the old cat
00:14:32.940 the old blu-ray cat uh today we are discussing ken russell's the devils
00:14:38.800 uh which do you remember the first time your thoughts were turned to evil things
00:14:45.360 I had a vision.
00:15:10.360 I want to tell you.
00:15:15.360 You have perverted Christ's own teaching.
00:15:21.220 You have perverted the innocent. 1.00
00:15:26.900 The devil is a liar. 1.00
00:15:31.940 And the father of lies. 1.00
00:15:36.980 Confess.
00:15:37.900 You have seduced the people.
00:15:40.060 Confess. 0.97
00:15:41.060 In order to destroy them. 0.96
00:15:43.880 Confess.
00:15:45.360 and i am afraid one of the greatest films of all time i consider it one of my personal
00:15:57.500 favorites it's so good it's so unknown uh the the script is so incredible the sets are so
00:16:05.820 incredible the characters are so incredible oliver reed is so incredible in it and so is
00:16:11.060 Vanessa Redgrave and all
00:16:13.060 the actors are just
00:16:14.880 incredible it's so so good
00:16:16.640 and you saw it
00:16:19.020 with me in Tronius
00:16:19.980 what did you think
00:16:21.380 to prepare for today
00:16:26.960 I also saw it yesterday again
00:16:28.840 and
00:16:30.100 it is
00:16:31.880 seeing it with subtitles
00:16:34.500 and not with a jet lag it is
00:16:36.760 what did I think it is
00:16:40.520 a very rich
00:16:42.420 film, rich with detail
00:16:44.560 in the imagery
00:16:45.800 the concepts
00:16:47.660 everything, it just
00:16:50.500 it starts so
00:16:52.740 interesting with the
00:16:54.040 king
00:16:54.980 which I really like as a character
00:16:58.420 I just love how
00:17:00.820 the king 0.99
00:17:02.820 is just a jester king
00:17:04.720 which he enjoys
00:17:05.900 your slurs, I might
00:17:08.720 try to get this up on you too
00:17:10.260 oh is that a slur
00:17:13.040 according to YouTube 0.99
00:17:14.060 the gay king 0.98
00:17:16.760 am I allowed to say that 0.99
00:17:18.240 the 0.88
00:17:20.340 the cross-dressing king 0.81
00:17:23.900 the
00:17:24.860 the actual king 0.97
00:17:27.040 who was also very gay 0.64
00:17:30.240 in the traditional 0.67
00:17:31.180 words
00:17:32.360 I just love how much
00:17:36.120 fun he has
00:17:37.920 while ruling
00:17:38.900 just everyone
00:17:41.580 is taking it so seriously
00:17:43.800 and he's just there
00:17:45.580 having fun
00:17:47.240 no he has
00:17:49.540 wonderful presence he's also terrifying
00:17:52.040 but
00:17:52.800 but uh
00:17:55.120 no the scene
00:17:57.820 where he shows up with the
00:17:59.760 holy artifact
00:18:00.780 this box
00:18:03.380 that's supposed to contain the blood
00:18:05.800 of Christ and then he reveals
00:18:07.560 there was nothing in the box that he had
00:18:09.540 tricked them
00:18:10.120 tricked them but doesn't
00:18:13.760 care he's just exposed them and like
00:18:15.480 caused an existential
00:18:17.280 horror amongst them
00:18:18.660 and then 1.00
00:18:19.980 and then just la-dee-da
00:18:23.440 off I go
00:18:24.740 and knows
00:18:27.320 exactly what will
00:18:28.800 happen again and is like
00:18:30.800 you know
00:18:31.740 purposely caused an existential
00:18:35.380 horror amongst
00:18:36.520 amongst several of the characters
00:18:38.680 is
00:18:40.920 so well done
00:18:42.740 and it's so well acted
00:18:44.700 from all the characters
00:18:45.760 and like
00:18:46.300 Father Barre
00:18:50.380 the 0.99
00:18:50.860 the witch hunter
00:18:55.160 the witch hunter
00:18:56.580 who looks like a 70s rocker
00:18:58.680 but actually his hair is historically
00:19:00.760 accurate, it's just that there was a
00:19:02.700 hairstyle back then
00:19:03.640 he looked like a German
00:19:05.100 and yeah he he there was a hair cell back then a few that did get copied in the 60s so you see
00:19:12.260 this guy it's like like this guy in glasses with like uh with like uh with like with like
00:19:23.020 san francisco hair is san francisco blonde hair is like walking around it's historically accurate
00:19:29.440 But it's also, like, very purposely calling out the fact that these 60s hippie radicals, like, handing out drugs, were, like, just as perverse and just as much, like, waging, like, a psychological war against the health of their civilization as, like, these depraved witch hunters were.
00:19:53.560 this image of a depraved witch hunter like this guy's corrupt by witch hunters understanders like
00:19:58.940 a lot of the witch hunters like um this is a fun part of european history a lot of witch hunters
00:20:06.480 like were completely sincere and actually like worked really hard to uh disprove witch cases
00:20:14.280 like they'd be called in you know someone's accusing someone of being a witch and and they
00:20:22.320 were like almost all the figures of this era were very much embarrassed by this like uh they're
00:20:28.640 like this is the 1600s this is the era of like enlightenment like rationalism is kicking off
00:20:35.040 this is high rationalism the era and like the enlightenment is kicking off and all
00:20:39.580 and the renaissance has been going on for a hundred hundred years and all this has been
00:20:47.320 continuing and and these are some of the most intelligent people have ever lived like
00:20:52.880 like shakespeare is alive like in the height of like one of the witch hunting
00:20:58.740 crazes um or like kind of looping around it it they coincide with wars but uh like this is
00:21:07.140 the era when like the westphalian system is codified this is the era when um
00:21:12.400 when so many scientific discoveries are being made
00:21:16.020 and these
00:21:17.440 and these witch hunts
00:21:20.260 like
00:21:20.660 other countries are criticizing them
00:21:25.980 intensively
00:21:26.820 there's a lot of international scrutiny of them
00:21:29.820 but also
00:21:31.220 you get the impression
00:21:34.020 that the churches
00:21:34.960 and a lot of the institutions
00:21:37.280 are deeply embarrassed of them
00:21:38.860 and yet 0.59
00:21:42.400 it's so easy to get women to confess to being witches or like them or like these women will
00:21:50.200 confess like these basically fantasies like oh i had a vision that the devil came to me and made me 0.94
00:21:55.900 kiss kiss a cat's anus and then he like he to me he graped me for doing youtube now he graped me 0.55
00:22:07.100 on the, on the altar and I liked it and blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, the kind of dreams 0.96
00:22:14.280 that, that aging women have, you know, these are not a wholly unusual, uh, dreams and nightmares
00:22:22.960 to have, uh, someone listening to this has, has dreamt something stranger, you know, flashbacks
00:22:29.960 to this, this or that, like, these are not a wholly unusual, uh, just like odd dreams and
00:22:36.620 whatnot for like women to have and yet you know if you live in a culture where that's given great
00:22:43.500 spiritual significance also only that that takes on a very horrifying dimension dimension but uh 0.97
00:22:49.780 a lot of them like uh even beyond that talking about this stuff like it's very obvious like a
00:22:55.260 lot of them were just making it up for attention or like uh would
00:23:01.480 you have like
00:23:04.340 there's lots of like 1.00
00:23:05.740 female and male
00:23:08.300 schizo characters who will like 0.87
00:23:09.780 make up insane stories like this you know 0.84
00:23:11.920 persecution stories
00:23:13.380 stories of their own
00:23:16.620 like whatever because
00:23:18.520 it gets them attention which
00:23:19.960 attention is like so 1.00
00:23:21.460 addicting to the female 1.00
00:23:23.520 mindset and like 0.74
00:23:25.600 lower status male
00:23:26.840 exactly
00:23:28.540 but brother
00:23:30.460 Barre, he's
00:23:32.780 more like, he is 1.00
00:23:34.580 crazy and depraved, but also 0.99
00:23:36.320 from what I've seen, a pure political 0.97
00:23:38.800 officer, like, we need this
00:23:40.760 Cassus Belli, so
00:23:42.580 you are possessed?
00:23:44.360 You don't
00:23:46.940 really get the impression whether
00:23:48.440 like, Barre, like
00:23:50.780 how attached to reality
00:23:52.720 he is, like
00:23:53.980 does he
00:23:55.400 he was quite attached
00:23:57.700 like uh does he understand you know the manipulations he's doing or does he um
00:24:05.940 or does he have like a double think where like subconsciously he 100 knows what he's doing yet
00:24:12.200 yet like the the language of what he's he's doing the language he uses has so like infected every
00:24:19.420 part of him that that he's like consciously praying in minute like consciously manipulating
00:24:26.400 these people and threatening them and forcing them
00:24:28.440 to behave in these ways
00:24:29.660 and in his
00:24:32.420 mind he's just
00:24:34.400 dearly
00:24:35.960 acting on
00:24:38.660 like his
00:24:40.340 conviction in his own weird language
00:24:42.240 should we perhaps
00:24:44.820 provide some context
00:24:46.700 to those who have not watched the movie
00:24:48.780 yet
00:24:49.240 yes we should
00:24:51.760 we started rambling because we like the movie
00:24:54.500 yes this is what will happen to you dear creators if you watch watch this so
00:25:00.560 so ken russell's the devils is maybe the most controversial film of all time um
00:25:08.700 like it was thought of as this kind of like weird esoteric horror film that strangely got like many
00:25:17.520 millions of dollars in budget uh it tells the story of the devils of ludon the possessions
00:25:22.680 of ludon which was an occurrence in 1636 in which this entire continent of nuns
00:25:30.440 was said to be possessed by devils and and after like months of interrogation uh the
00:25:39.620 the authorities of the crown and the church working in tandem executed the
00:25:47.420 the head priest and like basically governor of Ludon uh father Irving Grandier uh for witchcraft
00:25:57.480 and heresy and that he was the source of this demonic possession the thing is almost immediately
00:26:04.040 everyone commentating and this is like the 1600s everyone's saying this is they say no father
00:26:11.720 Grande was innocent and this is the commentary coming internationally of within Ludon and within
00:26:16.980 terrorist who knows who's saying what like there's a lot of dividing but like you have
00:26:22.460 people like uh philosopher john locke the uh early in the enlightenment liberal thinker saying
00:26:29.260 saying stuff like uh this was purely a trick by cardinal richelieu this this warlord uh cardinal
00:26:37.120 who's like basically running the french state like he said he's the number two and some would
00:26:41.980 argue the number one man in all of
00:26:43.940 France in the early
00:26:46.020 1600s. He's this
00:26:47.640 cleric who 1.00
00:26:49.920 like made of genocides. 0.94
00:26:52.860 He was
00:26:53.300 he was putting
00:26:54.780 he was number two to King
00:26:57.380 King Louis the
00:26:59.200 should have the notes on this. I want to say
00:27:01.960 the 13th.
00:27:05.340 King
00:27:05.940 Louis this
00:27:06.920 publicly thought to be gay 0.91
00:27:09.540 king who like 0.61
00:27:11.980 who like made sexual advances on like like noblemen who were like in their young teens
00:27:19.120 and like maybe consummated it and maybe drove some to suicide like like incredibly perverse stuff
00:27:25.440 when you look into this period of french history like nothing in the film is really overplayed with
00:27:32.220 regards to how perverse the french court is um i thought there was one sequence i'm like yeah but
00:27:37.680 they didn't do that they did worse stuff but they didn't do that specifically and then someone came
00:27:42.120 in and they're like actually no there is this example from from here here and here that this
00:27:46.460 was a recurring trope and i'm like oh i didn't even know that that that uh that oh they they
00:27:52.780 did hunt there was this recurring thing where they were said to have hunted people
00:27:57.820 in like certain circumstances and that's and that's uh that's capturing the film where that
00:28:05.600 was a legend at the at the time but uh but a cardinal richelieu this uh religious leader who's
00:28:13.360 also the head military leader of france and basically the prime minister of france um
00:28:19.280 uh he is one of the most like ruthless and like villainized man men in history like he destroyed
00:28:26.060 la rochelle oh there's a famous painting of of him like on the ramp ramparts overlooking the
00:28:33.280 are creating this uh levy to um to blockade the city and starve it out and uh there's a storm
00:28:40.600 flowing and his red cardinal's rogues are flowing but he has a breastplate over meanwhile some monks
00:28:47.020 look on and they're holding his cardinal's hat and stuff it's a very dramatic painting but uh
00:28:52.960 this figure this like villainous catholic cardinal who's take who's basically running france and like
00:28:59.740 uh, waging war on all the small polities in France that still have some independence up
00:29:05.480 from the crown. This is where, um, if you go to Germany today, Germany, like Berlin is not
00:29:11.500 actually a big city, like by international standards, Berlin, like, like you walk across
00:29:17.360 it in a day, um, less, uh, like Berlin is rather small. Germany is divided up into all these like
00:29:25.900 little regional towns like frankfurt hamburg hamburg uh munich munich uh uh diana is now
00:29:37.140 separate from germany but all of germany is the small dinky little towns and polities and regional
00:29:42.060 cultures and stuff france there's basically paris and there's like one or two other large cities
00:29:47.980 that don't even compare to paris like there's marseilles down the south and then all these
00:29:53.380 places that were historically really important in France now have populations like 6,000, 30,000.
00:30:01.800 You know, 100,000 is a big, big city in France. Why is that? Why is there this like super city of
00:30:07.620 Paris? And then the rest of France is like these small towns that, that their entire relationship,
00:30:14.220 like even the French rail network, every individual region of France just is a, every rail line is
00:30:20.480 beeline to paris and if you want to go like across the south of france there you have to go into
00:30:25.860 paris to and do like this weird v-shaped uh rail trip to go from like um from like the border of
00:30:34.260 spain to uh to monaco by by rail why is that well it's because of cardinal richelieu uh cardinal
00:30:42.620 Richelieu and subsequent French kings waged these unending series of like wars and like
00:30:49.920 cold wars and like proxy wars and various schemes to crush all the small independent
00:30:57.480 policies within France so that there'd be one centralized crown, famously centralizing
00:31:02.600 on Versailles later on, in which all the nobility would send, the very best of the nobility
00:31:09.380 would compete to go and be be like a minor figure at Versailles and base would be a hostage 0.79
00:31:16.880 crown but this is how you network and then all of French like noble and earth's crack 0.81
00:31:21.720 life would be in Paris and there'd be nothing in the countryside that was all Cardinal Richelieu
00:31:26.240 is doing and we see what Cardinal Richelieu how Colonel Richelieu achieved that in relation
00:31:32.320 to ludon which is by creating this this a demon scare and like driving these people into
00:31:40.560 to a madness uh by a like this spiritual proxy war which uh which is like very out there until
00:31:49.280 you notice it in recurring in history so um so the city of ludon at this time and it seems we're
00:31:57.740 introduced to uh to the people of ludon were introduced at the funeral of their former governor
00:32:04.800 uh gorge saint mart um he has died and he's seen ludon through the religious wars up until this
00:32:12.640 point so the 30 years war is still ongoing and there's been pour over wars into france but uh
00:32:18.640 george saint mart the former governor he saw ludon through this and despite the fact that ludon like
00:32:23.360 should have been ripped apart in the religious wars because there's protestant huguenots and
00:32:28.460 catholics uh saint martha uh managed to negotiate between the two and keep ludon loyal to the crown
00:32:36.600 and good standing with the crown and so ludon has come through intact never had like a war like
00:32:42.560 really scathe hasn't had a war really scathe it and in their minds they're in good standing with
00:32:49.640 the crown they never rebelled their huguenots were good huguenots you know loyal subjects
00:32:53.700 but the big thing is and we see father urban grandier praising saint marth grandier paid
00:33:01.520 played by the wonderful oliver reed um gives a speech in which he he says when you see our city
00:33:08.960 walls all these these walls around leudon think of george saint marth who kept those walls standing
00:33:15.360 for you because um this is the and you can actually see the technology difference uh the
00:33:22.200 garrison of ludon is still using crossbows into the 1600s whereas the the crown is using like
00:33:30.460 musketry and other stuff but this is still an era of like swords and shot and like there's still 0.73
00:33:36.160 lots of crossbows floating around this is the the core pike and shot era um and warfare is
00:33:44.380 revolutionizing quickly but uh they're they still have their garrison they still have their arms and
00:33:49.520 they still have their walls that despite the fact that they're in a gunpowder era ludon cannot be
00:33:56.160 taken by force easily ludon you know it can be taken it's not impregnable but it it's so much
00:34:05.880 harder to take than it is worth taking that it's able to negotiate lots of independence and its
00:34:12.180 people have lots of freedoms and rights because of this and of course Cardinal Richelieu does not
00:34:18.640 like this he does not like that they have walls he does not like that they have their arms he does
00:34:23.360 not like that they have their own policy separate from from the French crown separate from him
00:34:28.300 so over this the course of the movie we see father Urbain Grandier who now is taking on the role of
00:34:37.680 governor of ludon but is also one of the most prominent priests of ludon which is not an odd
00:34:45.980 overlap for the the era and we're and for grande has a problem he is a sex symbol he is the like
00:34:56.400 most desirable man in ludon according to a lot of people he he is this august fair he's performing
00:35:04.760 all these ceremonial roles and women are attracted to him and as soon as some women are attracted to
00:35:10.480 him all suddenly it becomes like a little bit you know the beatles effect as soon as you see
00:35:15.240 two or three women attracted to a boy band also that makes more attractive to the other women
00:35:21.560 and um this is a real psychological effect this is where like um boy bands are the beatles like 0.93
00:35:28.440 a crowd of women gather around to cheer at the boy band and and suddenly they go into ecstasy
00:35:34.640 and they start like uh like some of them like like start weeping from love for the boy band
00:35:41.280 and some of them you know there are stories of them like like urinating themselves or uh
00:35:48.280 or like fainting at the at seeing the Beatles for the first time when they come on stage and it's
00:35:56.500 like it's not that the Beatles are that attractive or that Justin Bieber is that attractive I can
00:36:02.040 find you I can find you lots of like weird nerdy guys who look exactly like John Lennon or lots of
00:36:09.140 like you know a skater kids from Southwest Ontario who look like Justin Bieber I know many many people
00:36:16.760 like that both of them actually but but the sociological effect is because uh the young
00:36:24.860 woman sees all these other women cheering for this guy that obviously he's hyper attractive he's
00:36:31.740 been verified by all these other women you know this is this is where if you want to become a
00:36:37.600 pickup artist buy a fake wedding ring you know uh that that makes you more attractive to women if
00:36:43.940 you have a wedding ring ring on or uh or if you really want to pick up women go to the bar with
00:36:50.380 another girl girl like uh or another pick up trick he uses which you noticed how he gets his
00:37:01.220 his wife
00:37:02.320 how does he 0.67
00:37:05.060 charm the 0.99
00:37:06.640 doe-eyed 1.00
00:37:07.780 like even the hunchback 0.99
00:37:10.840 remarks on this
00:37:11.700 doe-eyed figure
00:37:14.620 by praying with her 0.97
00:37:17.040 while her mother dies
00:37:18.720 but
00:37:19.200 notice
00:37:21.340 that is I think that the
00:37:24.740 big abad is also due
00:37:26.100 you try to invoke a religious
00:37:28.440 experience with them
00:37:31.220 Yes, and he's leading all these, like, religious ceremonies and stuff,
00:37:35.700 but he's also interesting.
00:37:37.880 He is very learned.
00:37:39.660 Like, he's classically educated, and he's something of a dissenter.
00:37:43.740 Like, he has heterodox opinions of the faith,
00:37:48.080 which some of them lean towards his proclivities,
00:37:51.840 but a lot of it is shockingly, like, sincere and specific,
00:37:56.700 and, like, very firmly.
00:37:58.740 Ultra-living of Wizard's Tower.
00:38:01.220 Yes, exactly. He lives in one of the towers in one corner of a church, and he has this second-rate Grecian statue he keeps about and is obviously quite fond of.
00:38:19.580 It looks like it could be the end of a D&D dungeon, you know? It looks like a wizard's tower.
00:38:29.080 no the entire film looks incredible um for those of you if you look at look up the film
00:38:36.840 like a lot of the shots like don't look real like uh the architecture uh is this weird like
00:38:43.620 white stone like in very angular shapes that's like that doesn't look like a proper medieval
00:38:49.440 castle castle that doesn't look like the 1600s however if you look up the architecture of like
00:38:55.620 the last remnants of the ludon's fortifications like online uh there's a tower and there's a
00:39:01.780 uh saint peter's uh church which which um they didn't shoot at it for the film but the church
00:39:10.560 is specifically named in the film saint peter's church in ludon the actual architecture in the
00:39:16.860 film look exactly like ludon looked in the 1600s like that's exactly what ludon looked like and
00:39:23.480 it's really weird, it's really regionally
00:39:25.520 specific, but...
00:39:27.740 Yeah, they evoke a bit of
00:39:29.700 like a hospital 1.00
00:39:31.200 or an insane asylum, the wights, 0.61
00:39:33.520 you know? Yes, yes, 0.70
00:39:35.740 but it's also like this
00:39:37.580 sort of idealized
00:39:39.680 possible city on a hill,
00:39:41.340 in a lot of ways, because
00:39:42.540 it switches back between them,
00:39:45.360 back and forth between them, or like this
00:39:47.060 virgin kingdom that's
00:39:49.460 about to fall, because
00:39:51.160 these white walls of Lodon
00:39:53.280 uh these like like tile white walls that looks unreal until you like look up the actual tower
00:39:59.560 and tower that's still standing it's like no it looked exactly like that um uh like uh
00:40:05.620 they kind of symbolize the utopian vision of what ludon was supposed to be because ludon
00:40:12.580 was this place that catholic and huguenot lived together in the and they and it's having lived
00:40:20.240 through the religious wars wars with their walls intact they still had all their medieval liberties
00:40:26.380 like they had all the rights that like you think of the anglo-saxon liberties or like the prep 0.67
00:40:32.040 the pride of the german bergers uh you know these these city states in germany where it was a crime
00:40:39.020 to not wear a sword that like any free man was expected to have a sword and you'd get fined if
00:40:44.540 you were not armed and if you couldn't produce the sword then like you might lose lose your
00:40:49.840 privileges of class that's like no you have to be armed this is what do you
00:40:55.600 think we're doing here you you're a citizen of this town you have to have a
00:40:59.260 sword like this this incredibly like
00:41:05.660 like this utopian vision is almost utopian ideal of this town where their
00:41:11.740 liberties were intact and Protestant Catholics were tolerating each other all 0.89
00:41:16.080 All this is going to come crumbling down with the demonic, demonic possessions. 0.91
00:41:23.360 And Irving Grandier is at the center of this because it's by the fact that he's a pretty seemingly competent ruler. 0.93
00:41:32.900 A, he has sex scandals. 0.97
00:41:35.900 B, he's a sex symbol, so he has sex scandals that he doesn't know that he has.
00:41:40.300 you know these women who have imagined things towards him that like that like didn't happen
00:41:45.940 that's gonna come back and bite him this is the original like this is one of the original like
00:41:51.000 me too stories like you could play this as a me too film and it's an amazing there
00:41:58.740 there was a good me too moment at the end uh for those who do not well you know the story in the
00:42:06.980 end he gets
00:42:07.760 he gets
00:42:09.320 don't spoil the ending yet
00:42:11.080 no sorry
00:42:12.960 cut it out of the recording then
00:42:15.020 go ahead
00:42:16.160 but we can see this
00:42:19.140 and also
00:42:19.860 he's not as
00:42:23.320 cynical as
00:42:25.160 the other priests he's going up against
00:42:27.140 so Cardinal Richelieu
00:42:28.380 despite like
00:42:31.940 you know he and Cardinal Richelieu
00:42:33.940 normally are in the same profession
00:42:35.780 they're
00:42:36.380 they are
00:42:38.600 priests who are also political
00:42:40.820 political and military
00:42:42.740 leaders
00:42:43.340 Richelieu is 10,000 times
00:42:46.860 more cynical than him though
00:42:48.160 and that greatly matters
00:42:50.820 matters so
00:42:52.720 so
00:42:54.060 do not tolerate rival castles
00:42:56.560 as the elite theorists say
00:42:58.200 and Richelieu does not
00:43:00.500 tolerate rival castles
00:43:02.540 that's for sure
00:43:03.780 exactly
00:43:05.580 uh so so grande the progression of the story is uh we see this at the start where it's almost
00:43:13.940 idealized except oh he's having these sex scales but oh he's he's breaking it off with this girl
00:43:19.960 but he got her pregnant when he breaks it off so you know it's all like he broke it off clean
00:43:27.240 cleanly you know he he ruined your life and she's gonna remember that you know but uh
00:43:35.580 But also the plague is
00:43:36.920 visiting the town. He's dealing with the plague and he makes
00:43:39.100 rivals with
00:43:39.980 he makes a
00:43:43.180 rivalry with several of the
00:43:45.160 doctors who he rightly
00:43:47.100 calls out. Experts.
00:43:49.300 The experts.
00:43:50.880 Yeah, who he rightly calls out as being 0.77
00:43:52.960 charlatans. 0.92
00:43:55.020 Charlatans and
00:43:56.280 Fauci is not happy.
00:43:59.820 Defrauding these people.
00:44:01.360 Yes, it's exactly that relationship.
00:44:03.200 So there are these
00:44:04.660 medical doctors
00:44:07.500 who are 0.87
00:44:09.200 basically butchers
00:44:10.660 who also hate him
00:44:13.460 and the
00:44:15.520 girl's father who he debauched hates him
00:44:17.660 and
00:44:18.920 he's made a rivalry
00:44:21.180 with one of his fellow
00:44:23.600 priests, Father Mignon
00:44:25.460 who
00:44:26.700 resents his womanizing
00:44:29.140 Yes, he's a cousin of the
00:44:32.640 girl that he debauched
00:44:33.920 but also like is very clearly like he's not a sex symbol like he's not considered attractive
00:44:40.140 and the nuns are very disappointed when he appears yes deeply disappointed that they
00:44:47.640 got father mignon as opposed to folly grandier but or as opposed to father barry or brother
00:44:54.280 of R.A., I forget.
00:44:56.200 You can notice that as well.
00:44:59.200 Yes, yes.
00:45:01.000 But so
00:45:01.800 Grandier is making rivalries
00:45:04.560 and he doesn't know that
00:45:06.460 at court this
00:45:08.180 deeply elaborate scheme has been
00:45:10.400 laid to entrap
00:45:12.620 him. And the Baron,
00:45:14.960 really the only
00:45:16.640 secular leader we see
00:45:18.260 in this, who
00:45:20.320 actually
00:45:22.640 very much
00:45:24.280 like, runs tracks around Brondier.
00:45:31.100 He, I'm just going to refer to him as the Baron
00:45:35.380 because the French name is so hard to pronounce.
00:45:39.620 He shows up the first time to try and tear down the city walls by force.
00:45:44.100 They're just going to slip in, you know, random day.
00:45:46.920 No one's going to know he's there. 0.99
00:45:47.960 Shut up early. 0.99
00:45:49.760 Early with a crew of people, you know, 1.00
00:45:51.540 these protestant slaves that he 1.00
00:45:53.500 has who have been like 0.99
00:45:54.820 interesting siege equipment
00:45:56.860 I love it
00:45:58.640 but just construction equipment like it's just
00:46:01.480 ropes and pulleys and what not
00:46:03.500 and he has 0.73
00:46:05.300 this crew of slaves and like enough
00:46:07.420 soldiers to command them 0.99
00:46:08.620 and they're going to rip down 0.97
00:46:11.700 the city walls 1.00
00:46:13.300 these slaves would be like 1.00
00:46:15.480 POWs and stuff that they
00:46:17.200 they've gone throughout the wars 0.99
00:46:19.040 filthy protestants 0.98
00:46:21.540 and they just never released and it's like oh yeah we'll work them to death um 0.94
00:46:26.840 and they set it up and it's actually quite remarkable grande does exactly the right thing
00:46:36.120 which is uh he immediately starts ringing the town bells and calls him muster of the town militia
00:46:42.780 and they they show up with all their archaic crossbows and stuff but because there's so many
00:46:51.060 of them the baron and his men they have to to leave because he's demanded a um to see an edict
00:47:00.320 from the king ordering the walls be torn down and the king refuses to give that because that'd be
00:47:06.060 going back on his word to give an official edict about it he'll do it in secret but he won't uh
00:47:12.740 he won't sign the actual paper uh that could be go on the record and go before everyone breaking
00:47:18.840 his word to uh george saint marth that he made uh gearing religious wars so so they're at an
00:47:26.720 impasse that grandier uh is able to call this mustard militia together to uh to repel cruce
00:47:36.380 and to tear down the walls and the king is unwilling to escalate the classical way through
00:47:43.960 royal matters because that would look
00:47:47.240 that would look bad and it would hurt his standing
00:47:51.660 amongst all the other towns. Towns if it's like oh
00:47:54.720 we have your two official royal edicts here and they immediately
00:47:59.520 contradict. What is any
00:48:02.840 what are any of your edicts worth? So he has to come up with
00:48:07.580 another means to do this and this is where Cardinal Richelieu 0.65
00:48:11.280 uh sends in the witch hunters and it's at this point that uh grande makes his two last most
00:48:20.180 fatal mistakes um he refuses to become
00:48:24.900 he refuses to become the uh the father for um the the earth line nuns like this order of
00:48:37.420 Ursuline nuns, which I can't remember the exact
00:48:39.640 name of the order, but
00:48:41.640 Vanessa
00:48:43.920 Redgrave's character,
00:48:46.420 Sister Agnes,
00:48:49.900 the mother superior of the
00:48:51.660 common, she's written asking for
00:48:53.720 a father grande, and 0.98
00:48:55.540 she's this hunchback woman 1.00
00:48:57.640 who's 0.93
00:48:59.600 very attractive and
00:49:00.860 like, you know, she's
00:49:03.280 Vanessa Redgrave, she's very attractive
00:49:05.640 and very young and very, like, exactly in her fertile peak years. 0.98
00:49:14.620 But she's a nun, and she's been made a nun because she's a hunchback, 0.97
00:49:18.080 and this, like, of course, torments her, 0.97
00:49:20.840 and all the nuns are wonderfully giddy.
00:49:23.740 Like, this is the best giddy nun movie you will ever see.
00:49:28.380 She's written requesting Grande to be the father of their convent 0.92
00:49:33.600 so that she can confess
00:49:35.560 and all the sisters can confess
00:49:37.540 their deep, darkest thoughts and sins
00:49:40.100 to Grandier.
00:49:42.360 Grandier.
00:49:44.040 But Grandier refuses.
00:49:46.840 He has other obligations.
00:49:49.760 He sends Father Mignon,
00:49:51.060 who they don't want.
00:49:53.200 But Father Mignon shows up
00:49:55.160 and they're to confess.
00:49:58.140 And so what does the Mother Superior do?
00:50:01.720 Wonderful sociology.
00:50:03.460 what you do here oh she confesses the vision she's head of father grandier these like horrifying
00:50:12.700 sexual horrifying yet titillating sexual vision she's head of father grandier and i i think it's
00:50:20.480 part of the story that because she was hunchback she was made mother superior like her family had
00:50:26.200 some connection that she became mother superior like very young like there are lots of nuns that
00:50:31.020 vastly older than sister agnes in this convent who like are much wiser and like are not having this 0.58
00:50:38.960 like psychosexual existential crisis like she is but she's in charge of them of all and she confesses 0.69
00:50:49.220 confesses this and of course father mignol who's already rivalrous with grandier escalates it 0.85
00:50:59.140 to his cousin, who also escalates it, to the Baron.
00:51:03.500 Baron, what are we going to do about this?
00:51:06.600 And at that point, Cardinal Richelieu's Baron,
00:51:11.140 the Grandier's rivals in the town,
00:51:15.060 they all are forming their plan that,
00:51:18.040 oh, if Grandier is found to have been
00:51:22.860 in cahoots with the devil, are corrupting the nuns.
00:51:27.740 they can get rid of him that way and at this point what does grandier do he doesn't know
00:51:33.380 this plot is happening but he knows there are these plots against the city and he knows they
00:51:38.180 tried to rip down the walls before he has a crisis of fate uh uh well more specifically he gets
00:51:47.020 married and and he has this elaborate marriage ceremony and he's had this
00:51:54.160 really he conceives of his marriage and the renewal of his faith as one in the same like he
00:52:01.000 can sit like this illegal marriage he's a catholic priest getting married in secret you know which
00:52:07.460 is a very shakespearean thing to do you know these secret marriages uh you have heard many
00:52:14.220 stories about the secret elements and secret secret weddings and all this stuff uh that uh
00:52:21.480 is enabled like probably there's a bit of christian doctrine uh there's been a lot of
00:52:27.840 interpretations of what god has joined together let no man tear sunder which basically says
00:52:32.840 as soon as you say i do it sticks that's that's it you know this is where romeo and juliet
00:52:38.620 secret gets out yes but uh this is where romeo and juliet conspire to get married in this war
00:52:48.120 are so many stories of this era revolve around secret elopements sincere weddings because
00:52:52.640 once you get to the altar and you say i do it's set this is where you know the shrek running to
00:52:59.300 interrupt the marriage before fiona can uh wed farquard like all these i object uh dramatic
00:53:07.620 moments all these come from this tradition that uh that for a long time as soon as i do was said
00:53:14.600 and you kissed the bride that was it uh we're seeing a permutation of that in this where it's
00:53:21.720 like oh yeah it's illegal for me to wed you as a um as a priest but once we say i do that's
00:53:29.120 that's spiritually real and that's like legally real in some respect and then they just have to
00:53:35.360 not get caught but the thing is they are observed getting married by the doctors but that's not
00:53:43.320 immiscible because it's too far
00:53:46.440 distant you know you can raise
00:53:48.240 raise objections
00:53:49.660 but uh so
00:53:51.080 but it is like
00:53:54.220 when you find out
00:53:55.920 that the e-girl has a boyfriend
00:53:58.320 then the twitch mods
00:54:00.180 are not very happy
00:54:01.540 yes yes
00:54:03.980 no it doesn't stop the gears
00:54:06.080 turning it's not enough but the gears
00:54:07.980 have started turning
00:54:08.840 so grandier in the midst of this
00:54:12.280 like reform this like reforming himself from being this womanizing man to this faithful husband
00:54:20.060 to him believing in the sacrament of marriage and like objectively like becoming a much better
00:54:28.400 person like uh like to our mind it's like oh you're violating your uh
00:54:34.140 you're violating like the penance of the of the like priesthood but he has a theological
00:54:45.360 justification which his wife criticizes his wife-to-be criticizes him a bit that he's being
00:54:50.880 self-serving in that justification but uh like this is what protestants believe like uh martin
00:54:56.980 luther uh was a monk who who like when he was leading his campaign to reform like germanic
00:55:08.020 christianity uh like like he married a former nun uh in the midst of that you know this this
00:55:16.260 image of a like former catholic cleric former current catholic cleric marrying a faith faithful
00:55:25.640 girl and concluding that no marriage is an important part of the christian faith and uh
00:55:33.040 grace did not say that you could not not marry and many many of the saints and whatnot were
00:55:41.220 were wed and what whatnot that this is important like like we can judge uh
00:55:48.240 father grandier is being self-serving in this interpretation that he wants to marry and so
00:55:54.380 he's cheesy interpretation that
00:55:56.400 lets him marry but
00:55:57.320 much of what he does seems
00:56:00.300 genuinely sincere and he
00:56:01.800 is like haunted by
00:56:04.560 his behavior
00:56:06.580 in the past
00:56:07.260 Kulak
00:56:10.260 you have thought about Catholicism
00:56:12.400 right why do you think they do
00:56:14.400 not allow the priest to marry
00:56:16.080 so there 0.96
00:56:18.340 is
00:56:18.860 there's a lot of weird cultural
00:56:22.220 stuff with that
00:56:23.160 Um, uh, so there is, like, an element of it that's a continuation of, like, pagan Roman institutions, so there were a lot of weird, um, like, priesthoods within, uh, pagan Rome.
00:56:39.420 Julius Caesar was one of these priests, actually, and then, and he would have never been Julius Caesar except his, his clerisy was annulled or like he was kicked out of it in the midst of one of the earlier civil wars between Marius and Sulla, that it somehow got annulled.
00:57:01.100 I can't remember how, but he was, like, had to wear a funny costume and, like, couldn't do this
00:57:07.820 or couldn't do that. I can't recall if he specifically was prohibited to wed or if he,
00:57:14.200 like, had to get married, marry someone in, like, a certain class because of it, but there were a
00:57:21.160 lot of, like, weird little priesthoods like that within Rome that had these odd characters, and
00:57:27.160 And most famously, they had the Vestal Virgins, which were women who were, like, had to remain
00:57:33.480 virgins, and if they violated that, they'd get killed.
00:57:35.780 If you violated a Vestal Virgin, you know, you'd get this horrifying, shameful punishment.
00:57:41.900 But Rome had a lot of institutions like this that its various emperors are said to have
00:57:49.500 slept with the Vestal Virgin, said that was, like, a great slander against emperor.
00:57:53.940 but then you know these are a bunch of virginal women so and if you're the most powerful man of
00:57:59.400 rome rome you might want to do that so there's speculation on that but um but generally the real
00:58:07.260 function of the vessel virgins was uh they're kind of signed by lottery um caesar augustus
00:58:14.600 expanded the vessel virgin specifically like uh as a whip to try and make roman citizens marry
00:58:22.440 younger so that they and then have kids because the rome was having this demographic problem 0.99
00:58:29.700 of like actual like flesh and blood roman citizens weren't breeding as fast as they 0.95
00:58:34.560 were incorporating um a slaves and other people into the empire who were breeding faster than
00:58:40.460 them you know story of today really story of the american and western empires that's like all these
00:58:47.960 conquered and integrated people who are dependent on us are breeding faster than people who
00:58:52.460 were actually producing useful stuff but uh this was a problem in rome and one of the ways
00:58:58.160 counterintuitively that caesar gussis did was he expanded the order of um
00:59:04.500 of women who had to remain virgins because he could say okay six months from now uh we're
00:59:11.900 going to have the lottery and all these women are going to be be forced to become virgins for life 0.96
00:59:17.860 so you had six months to run out and get married or marry your daughter off as fast as possible 0.80
00:59:24.020 and you'd do this uh in time because otherwise you know people would sit around like competitively
00:59:30.400 trying to uh to like get these girls better and better marriages or no i won't wed my daughter 1.00
00:59:36.960 until after i've achieved this station because then she'll get a better match and that will
00:59:41.900 you know this hyper competitive upwards mobility that like is is cancer to uh to actually getting 0.99
00:59:50.640 people to wed and breed you know no one wants to no one wants to to wed and like have kids if they
01:00:00.460 think that oh i'm gonna be richer in a few years in which case i'll get a better spouse you know
01:00:06.720 or oh i shouldn't go on the dating apps now not thin enough uh i should i should go to the gym
01:00:14.660 more and then and then once i've like gotten so fit at the gym then i'll go on the dating apps
01:00:20.800 and then i'll really clean up you know you you see this dynamic today but so the vessel virgins
01:00:26.540 a lot of these virginal orders uh a lot of these chasers were um ways to apply pressure to make
01:00:34.120 people wed faster because, you know, the order of monks would get you if you didn't move fast
01:00:40.300 enough. But a lot of these have like weird cultural inheritances that vary a lot from
01:00:48.240 people to people. I often think that the reason Protestantism happened is because like
01:00:56.340 uh germanic uh civilization uh did not really did not accept the um the sex selection effects
01:01:08.020 of like monasteries and nunneries and stuff that uh like if you look at the kind of people that
01:01:15.620 um germanic human sacrifice rituals were selecting for before the christian era you know
01:01:22.540 They'd have these rituals where they'd have a human sacrifice of, like, slave girls who'd volunteer, like, really wanton women.
01:01:30.680 Women are, like, women who'd be tempted by, like, drugs and an orgy into sacrificing themselves. 0.77
01:01:38.200 um tassily selecting for like incredibly willful uh long time horizon with men and women who um 0.67
01:01:49.100 who would be like kind of frigid and like uh would value like abstraction and like arts and like uh
01:01:59.320 like a lot of mannish pursuits over like forming family over immediately forming family or like 1.00
01:02:07.020 romantic uh pursuits you know if you think of the the frigid mannish germanic woman who has like a 0.76
01:02:15.100 weird autistic interest and you have to like really really pursue really hard to get anything 0.90
01:02:21.520 like romantic out of her but then she falls in love like in love like very deeply and is attached 0.99
01:02:27.380 to you forever like that's that's like that brunhilde type is exactly what germanic pagan 0.74
01:02:35.000 human sacrifice rituals and other rituals and like incentives we're slacking for and if you 0.91
01:02:40.500 think of um if you think of what a nunnery does right it takes every woman it takes women who
01:02:49.420 the value abstraction value education value delayed gratification uh you know have like 0.95
01:02:57.080 more interest in the world and mannish pursuits you know the women who aren't just like uh
01:03:02.780 you know boy crazy and just want to get married as fast as possible 1.00
01:03:08.200 it selects those women out of the gene pool entirely like uh if you're like oh i could 0.62
01:03:15.280 i could get married or i could pursue like like an autistic interest or education or like
01:03:22.620 this spiritual higher calling what does what does uh kefalsem do if you have like a large 0.68
01:03:29.500 uh contingents of nuns well takes those women who like temporarily uh are not interested in 0.96
01:03:38.440 romance or are like interested in like pursuing something else or like like all these things that 0.99
01:03:43.780 like a free a free northern people like really value and it removes them from the gene pool
01:03:51.500 entirely so only so like you only have uh giddy schoolgirls and like um really like sexually 0.90
01:04:00.860 licentious women breeding which uh this is where there's the stereotype around the catholic school 1.00
01:04:06.400 girl it's because well any catholic schoolgirls like being very wanton or being very very easy 1.00
01:04:14.440 or very slutty or like really going boy crazy and it's because well if you're catholic 0.98
01:04:20.380 and a girl and you get and you weren't boy crazy and you weren't like very easy and very 0.99
01:04:27.680 and very licentious like uh there was a good chance you'd wind up a nun and you'd be like
01:04:34.440 oh maybe i will pursue a higher spiritual calling or whatnot it's like bam select it out of the
01:04:39.800 gene pool and so like if you if you want to think of like what catholicism does uh catholicism is 0.69
01:04:50.200 a slow-moving genocide of autistic people like that's what catholicism exists to do it 0.76
01:04:56.600 like like if you look at sex sacrifice rituals which is this like long you know because a nun 1.00
01:05:05.000 or a monastery is a human sacrifice ritual it's just the sacrifices they live out their life
01:05:10.040 in like this single sex explosion in which they never breed and they like pre-commit to never
01:05:16.400 breeding and stuff uh catholicism is a selection process to get rid of germanic autism
01:05:23.820 and like you can see this like stark cultural division between catholic countries and protestant
01:05:31.820 countries that the protestant countries are incredibly like ruthlessly autistic
01:05:36.800 and like uh very obsessed with like abstractions and like uh rational principles and you know 0.97
01:05:46.640 technical matters and engineering pursuing warfare whereas catholic countries are like
01:05:51.420 like these hot-blooded uh places of like like lusty women and like men with lots of machismo
01:06:00.400 and i think that's why and that's not the that's not the original purpose of the institution the
01:06:08.700 original purposes of the institution like evolved in rome and then developed and developed and
01:06:14.480 developed and developed and like uh but but if you look at like what kephalism is actually
01:06:21.780 doing throughout the medieval and renaissance period and like into the modern day like that's 0.97
01:06:29.100 really what it's doing is it's slacking out
01:06:30.800 germanness
01:06:31.680 does that make sense
01:06:35.600 yes I've
01:06:38.820 I've heard of this
01:06:42.680 take before from you and
01:06:44.380 yeah
01:06:46.640 I'll
01:06:48.140 I don't know
01:06:50.820 enough about it to
01:06:52.940 to speak on it
01:06:57.080 I need to encounter
01:06:58.600 are more catholics i think well i'm encounters dom but they are very artistic uh well like it's
01:07:04.780 really telling that the the greatest religious moment in german history is like the most
01:07:12.240 important religious moment in german history like after like like wot the adventures of wotan or
01:07:19.960 like or like a wotan trading his eye to the mirror for like a draft the potion i'll give him second
01:07:26.460 site is
01:07:27.740 the most important event after that
01:07:30.340 is Martin Luther 0.94
01:07:32.620 nailing his autistic 0.61
01:07:34.920 list of bullet point 0.72
01:07:36.660 complaints to the church door
01:07:38.760 refusing to
01:07:40.600 budge when he's criticized
01:07:42.420 refusing to budge
01:07:44.680 even when he's threatened
01:07:46.280 and
01:07:46.860 I thought the adventures
01:07:50.560 of Wouter
01:07:51.220 referenced another part of history
01:07:54.480 but go ahead
01:07:55.240 yeah yeah uh refuse it to budge from any of these like autistic complaints no this is right and i
01:08:01.400 don't care i don't care what your entire institution says this is what this is what 0.68
01:08:07.300 logic dictates this is what the book says and this is what what should be done and then when
01:08:17.440 when the institution like doesn't reform according to his like rational instruction
01:08:23.460 that's very obviously right or certainly obviously right to him and like lots of other
01:08:29.740 germanic people what does he do he rage quits quits throws off his vow of celibacy
01:08:36.860 encourages others to do so weds and none and so like the entire martin luther bloodline and like
01:08:44.860 all these other bloodlines they're like core to the foundation of protestantism
01:08:50.180 and like continuity of protestantism would not have existed it would never have existed 1.00
01:08:57.900 if capital catholicism had persisted you know it's all these autistic monks and all these 0.77
01:09:04.280 autistic preachers and all their autistic nuns wedding each other and deciding no we're gonna 0.86
01:09:09.640 have seven kids and like that is the essence of like protestantism it's an autistic germanic 0.98
01:09:17.080 rebellion against like uh patholic selection for giddy schoolgirls you know it's the germans 0.87
01:09:24.940 saying no we will not die out we will from rational principle breed which yes should we get 0.86
01:09:32.800 back to the devils yes i was just living around what where where were we i i thought um yes
01:09:43.180 grandier got married grandier got married in secret and he's off he ventures to switzerland
01:09:52.520 which is very telling because this is not protestantism why did he do that again i didn't
01:09:57.000 get it from the movie it's just uh so like the times the time horizon of how things are happening
01:10:05.960 or how long things are taking is like confusing like really one of his greatest mistake was not
01:10:12.680 waiting till after is another election of another governor but maybe you want to stay governor but
01:10:18.740 like realistically like uh this is when his when ludon is most vulnerable like between governors
01:10:25.260 and he should have like not mentored from the city in this like year but uh so richelieu and bar
01:10:34.400 Richelieu and the Baron
01:10:37.300 recruit Father
01:10:38.920 Barre to lead
01:10:41.140 the interrogation of the nuns
01:10:42.840 and
01:10:44.420 and what you quickly realize
01:10:47.200 I don't know why he made this mistake
01:10:49.340 was it naivety
01:10:50.660 was it because he
01:10:52.560 knew they were after him
01:10:55.220 no this is the thing
01:10:57.160 he's convinced his father Richelieu
01:10:58.900 but he's written to the king about this
01:11:01.360 and the king you know
01:11:02.900 if only the Tsar knew
01:11:04.660 the king he is convinced
01:11:06.200 is like forthright and honest
01:11:08.740 and meanwhile the king is like
01:11:10.080 the king is like fabulously 0.99
01:11:12.600 gay and cackling 0.99
01:11:15.280 with Cardinal Richelieu 1.00
01:11:16.700 and he's like no I won't do this
01:11:18.280 I won't act against
01:11:20.140 Udon
01:11:21.820 the king is on his side
01:11:24.120 and if you can court the king
01:11:26.660 it is like
01:11:28.580 populist thinking
01:11:29.900 if we just vote right
01:11:31.580 yeah no and he doesn't realize that the thing protecting ludon is its walls and
01:11:39.340 walls and weapons and like the internal coherence of ludon and like uh that that the crown 100%
01:11:47.900 no matter what is going to want ludon's walls down and the king you know he might give this
01:11:55.980 agreement that he's not going to explicitly move against ludon but like you you've got to remain
01:12:00.900 watchful for all the like like the sneaky ways he he can get around that and grandier just
01:12:09.060 he he like if for all his hypocrisies he's a profoundly honest person like uh like he he does
01:12:20.420 want to be internally consistent he can't quite quite grasp just how wicked or he can when he
01:12:27.600 sees it but he can't anticipate just how wicked uh the people he's up against are but uh so they
01:12:34.000 interrogate the nuns and this is this is the most controversial part of the film like uh this this
01:12:42.800 this possession sequence where they like threaten nuns they torture there's like some torture nuns
01:12:49.980 but there's also like
01:12:50.860 because what Barre is effectively
01:12:54.040 doing is he's saying
01:12:55.940 that if you insist
01:12:57.980 that you're faithful
01:12:59.680 and honest and like
01:13:01.160 no I've never been possessed by the devil or what not
01:13:03.960 you know that's
01:13:05.840 the devil speaking that's the devil
01:13:07.560 hiding himself
01:13:08.780 we have to like forcibly
01:13:11.780 extract it from you but if you admit
01:13:13.900 there was
01:13:14.520 there was a scene in Barre
01:13:17.760 where
01:13:18.900 either you are possessed
01:13:21.340 and we need to 1.00
01:13:23.200 exorcise you, or you're a traitor. 1.00
01:13:25.500 We're going to kill you. 1.00
01:13:27.620 Yes, exactly. 1.00
01:13:29.400 And so all
01:13:30.880 the nuns,
01:13:33.960 as soon as they hear that,
01:13:35.440 are like, oh yes, we're possessed,
01:13:37.760 we're possessed, we're possessed.
01:13:39.600 And since they've agreed to
01:13:41.620 buy and to lie,
01:13:43.000 they can't walk that back
01:13:45.540 or they're never in a position to walk it back again.
01:13:47.480 and so from that like initial moment of force when they accept like they're on the compliance ladder
01:13:54.560 and like slowly we see we see it do this uh this uh this order of nuns that was like
01:14:06.080 genuinely faithful if like a little school girlish like uh in some some of their behaviors
01:14:13.240 like they had pranks and stuff um we see that devolve into like uh like them some of them
01:14:21.400 actually like like uh there's a lot of people who if they start acting mad will actually go mad
01:14:27.740 like uh a lot of people do not have like very tight senses of self like like uh the most rational
01:14:34.860 autists do you know like these these hyper rational like very male brain minds like most
01:14:41.660 people are not like that most people if they start acting acting crazy they'll slowly start to
01:14:47.320 to actually behave to be crazy yeah you become what you are if you act licentiously pretty soon 0.96
01:14:54.740 you'll just be like licentious you know if you either all of like someone who's retarded pretty 0.95
01:15:00.780 soon you'll be a lot because before you become what you want people yes i i i have to make a 0.99
01:15:10.840 No, I said the R word because now, now we might want to put this on YouTube, but, uh, 0.60
01:15:20.700 the, but like, uh, the, the act of enacting it makes it so eminior in most respects. 0.97
01:15:30.140 And this is where, uh, so you see this nunnery that like was faithful.
01:15:36.260 It was never visited, like, had no demonic possessions aside from, like, this one Mother Superior having, like, very, like, reasonably tame visions of, like, Father Grandier, which she interprets darkly.
01:15:52.160 uh you see it devolve into a brothel and complete madhouse like consciously guided by this witch 0.51
01:16:00.180 witch hunter and the rest because if they behave poorly and demonically possess and licentiously 1.00
01:16:07.440 they get rewarded you know you have all this license like these nuns start sort of start 1.00
01:16:15.440 behaving like obscenely sexually or like start start of like uh like behaving like they're in 1.00
01:16:24.020 a brothel or or start interacting with each other in these obscene ways and you see how
01:16:30.740 how the force of this institution is punishing virtue and rewarding
01:16:36.860 rewarding licentiousness and how they play they're like basically play acting this and
01:16:45.440 And you see, like, the few moments in the spell break,
01:16:48.880 or, like, they don't know what they're supposed to do.
01:16:51.560 And they're just all stunned and confused,
01:16:55.620 like they've been playing a role,
01:16:57.340 and then all suddenly the scene cuts.
01:17:00.140 And then they all decide as a herd
01:17:02.820 what they're supposed to do and be that way. 0.66
01:17:07.940 And all this continues into, like, a bumble level, 0.96
01:17:11.500 like, gathering. 0.96
01:17:12.600 and of course they're and they're bringing the people of the town and this is the really obscene
01:17:17.560 thing is they're putting on this like grotesque performance meant to degrade the character of
01:17:25.080 everyone involved and they're parading the town of ludol and throughout and like like wandering
01:17:30.700 visitors from outside of town like there's like the most bizarre psycho sexual social things will
01:17:37.620 be going up going on between these characters and there's an audience of 50 100 people just
01:17:45.040 watching them them you know and this adds to it because it is a performance you know and if you
01:17:51.120 perform badly you'll be punished punished but uh so they're building this evidence of everyone's
01:17:57.920 witness this everyone's witness this but of course they're performing for the audience and this is
01:18:06.000 corrupting the town of blue dawn itself because it's like you know it's like dropping uh
01:18:11.520 it's like dropping uh uh internet uh internet pictures youtube is so weird uh it's like dropping
01:18:24.360 dropping scandalous uh scandalous uh internet videos and stuff into into an uncontacted tribe
01:18:35.080 that this is like the most entertaining thing any of these people have ever seen this is the most
01:18:40.340 scandalous thing any of these people have ever seen and it's it's cropping the town and like
01:18:45.520 making the town themselves forget their interests exactly and so father grande finally returns
01:18:54.620 and he sees this and he behaves exactly as like like a good priest should he he yells out in
01:19:04.280 outrage and like admonishes them and actually like
01:19:07.900 completely like spellbindingly captures the entire town
01:19:12.480 in attendance and all the actors like throws his cloak over a naked
01:19:15.860 naked girl come here my child my child
01:19:20.380 and actually has this like wonderful like 0.98
01:19:24.540 like almost divine presence breaking this
01:19:27.560 face and it's like oh was that
01:19:31.580 was that the emperor has no clothes moment you know with the actual like people without clothes
01:19:37.060 and the baron just says seize him you know and reverts back to the language of naked
01:19:44.500 naked force which you know before a baron had just demanded father grandier be seized
01:19:53.260 the entire town would have like rallied to grandier's defense the entire town would have
01:19:59.820 defended their governor from an outside
01:20:01.980 lord trying to take him
01:20:03.760 prisoner and put him through a show
01:20:05.740 trial. But now because they've like
01:20:07.820 gone through this bizarre 1.00
01:20:09.840 psychosexual... 1.00
01:20:11.540 He got fried them with the ritual 0.99
01:20:13.320 and demoralized them.
01:20:15.840 Exactly. They're able
01:20:17.860 to seize Grande and put him on trial.
01:20:20.760 And so the trial of Grande
01:20:21.860 begins and it's
01:20:23.860 a farce.
01:20:25.200 The Baron leads the
01:20:27.460 prosecution
01:20:29.320 and
01:20:30.700 and he's doing all
01:20:33.020 all this
01:20:34.260 he's basically putting on like
01:20:37.160 kind of a comedy or routine
01:20:39.200 like mocking Ron
01:20:40.560 Ron A talking about oh we have your love
01:20:43.180 letters that you're
01:20:44.860 that you wrote to this lady you married
01:20:47.320 we also have the letters that he wrote
01:20:49.140 to women he did not marry
01:20:50.760 and doing this
01:20:53.220 big elaborate form of trying to
01:20:54.980 assassinate his character and then Ron A
01:20:57.080 gets up and because he has
01:20:59.320 has such presence and he has his robes on.
01:21:01.740 He delivers this dramatic speech
01:21:05.860 admonishing them
01:21:07.280 and reminding the town of their interests.
01:21:12.720 One thing he does with his speech is...
01:21:16.660 Go ahead.
01:21:17.880 And I noticed that
01:21:20.420 for a public speaker, 1.00
01:21:24.200 this is like the golden shit. 0.99
01:21:27.440 if you manage to have the crowd chant something at the end, 1.00
01:21:34.220 then you're golden.
01:21:35.060 He has Amen.
01:21:36.600 The Austrian painter has Hail Victory.
01:21:39.080 I don't know.
01:21:42.080 Paul Atreides has Lisa Nalgaib.
01:21:45.240 I just love it when they just end with Amen and the crowd says Amen.
01:21:50.280 That's power right there.
01:21:52.680 Sorry.
01:21:53.620 Yeah, and if you pay attention at rock or metal concerts,
01:21:57.440 Like they'll have the, the, uh, artists say stuff between, between set, between, uh, songs
01:22:07.880 and, and they will, um, like enmonish the audience, no, behave this way, not that, that
01:22:15.680 way.
01:22:16.140 Say this, not that, uh, throw up your arms in the air, uh, form, form a mosh pit, all
01:22:24.900 the, all the stuff. 0.61
01:22:26.180 We want to see a mosh pit that yell, yell, yell, all this stuff, uh, the colon response 0.82
01:22:33.700 and the, uh, uh, performance and the, uh, oh, you aren't giving enough energy. 0.92
01:22:39.740 Uh, all this stuff is incredibly powerful for controlling, for controlling an audience.
01:22:45.160 I recently saw, I recently saw Wargasm, a very good, uh, uh, punk metal band that like
01:22:52.440 are top of their class and doing this stuff.
01:22:55.160 when you can get a crowd to
01:22:57.980 to reply back and forth
01:23:01.520 I always thought this was like
01:23:03.920 annoying when I
01:23:05.180 when people did it
01:23:07.560 like I was always like I'm here to
01:23:09.780 listen to the talk I don't I don't want to
01:23:11.900 want to be doing
01:23:13.980 the social stuff I want to hear 1.00
01:23:15.460 I want to hear the autistic point 1.00
01:23:17.640 but 1.00
01:23:19.360 when you
01:23:20.400 when you actually see the effect it has on a crowd
01:23:23.940 it's incredible and that's like the essence of public speaking is you is you speak and you get
01:23:29.840 people on the uh on the compliance ladder of like i told them to throw their hands in the air and
01:23:37.700 they threw their hands in the air i told them to shout fight fight fight and they shouted fight
01:23:41.860 fight fight i told them to do this and they did that and you train the audience to behave together
01:23:48.060 as a group and you train them to listen to the instructions and and uh like we're framing it
01:23:58.220 right now as um as a this is something you're doing as a speaker but as an audience member
01:24:03.840 or like if you're trying to form a group um this is what you should want your the person leadership
01:24:12.100 to be doing because that's what like forms the group together you know there's one tender of
01:24:16.500 tension and then there's the calm response and if you do it together enough uh the group forms
01:24:24.580 cohesion and the forms forms ability to work and act together and it forms an internal culture that
01:24:32.400 is is consistent effective so next misery march you better have a slogan ready yes i'm so we can
01:24:42.540 say aye aye
01:24:43.940 yes
01:24:45.880 next misery march we will be
01:24:48.240 chanting obscene things
01:24:49.700 for miles and miles through the streets of
01:24:52.220 Toronto
01:24:52.540 but
01:24:55.200 yeah no that is
01:24:58.080 so powerful and Grandier
01:24:59.980 chees it he
01:25:01.280 at his trial
01:25:03.340 for like devilry
01:25:05.860 and corrupting the youth
01:25:07.440 he does a prayer and
01:25:09.500 everyone in the audience
01:25:11.520 mimics the prayer he has this spellbinding effect over them but the crowd and the people and this is
01:25:19.560 one of the like big things we see over again they aren't able to translate that
01:25:23.960 either because they're moralized demoralized or because they don't have a plan or because
01:25:29.560 they're believing in the process which is like this is not a process that should be believed in
01:25:35.800 they're unwilling to translate that into violence and that's one of the the things that's incredible
01:25:41.760 about this film is it's a meditation on all the ways that crowd dynamics and faith and like
01:25:48.360 group coherence and organization and belief and all this stuff can be fiddled with around the
01:25:55.660 edges and how it can can perverse people and how it can do all this stuff but the the underlying
01:26:02.160 force of violence beneath the lies and hypocrisies and like sincere belief in actual faith the actual
01:26:09.340 violence is the core part like uh the reason the emperor with no clothes uh the reason a little
01:26:18.280 boy can't say the emperor has no clothes and break the spell even if everyone believes him in that
01:26:22.740 moment is the next moment someone's going to enforce something with violence and as soon as
01:26:29.040 the violence is there uh the the spell is reinforced because the real spell is all this uh
01:26:36.500 this self-talk and internal justification for like the relations of like social
01:26:42.720 the relations of like actual like force and politics underneath it and all this uh and all
01:26:50.520 the religious and moral language is is doing stuff but it's on top of that and it's it's a
01:26:58.600 you know resting on the structure of the actual violence and so we see all this and as they
01:27:06.240 realize they're losing the crowd uh the the uh inquisitors would cut off the trial and say lead
01:27:15.520 him lead him away this is not a political trial which of course it is a political trial uh they
01:27:21.420 lead him away and they only bring him back once uh he's had his hair cut off and uh is forced to
01:27:30.560 wear a penitence like sackcloth so that he won't have this impressive presence of like uh this head
01:27:37.860 head priest you know he has these darling these gorgeous rogues and and this like twisted wonderful
01:27:45.680 mustache and this
01:27:47.200 perfectly combed like boy band
01:27:49.740 hair which is
01:27:51.300 it's weird
01:27:52.500 it's weird how they manage to make Oliver Reed
01:27:57.880 who's this like
01:27:58.520 chubby middle aged man
01:28:00.800 like they sell you on the idea that he is 0.65
01:28:03.760 a sex symbol to these people
01:28:05.120 and they take all that away from him 0.94
01:28:07.460 so it's just this bald like
01:28:09.500 shorn
01:28:10.100 shorn chubby man in sackcloth
01:28:12.840 and uh 0.93
01:28:15.680 and then
01:28:18.000 then he's tortured
01:28:20.460 and finally he's executed very gruesomely
01:28:22.900 and there's
01:28:23.220 it sounds like I'm ruining the movie
01:28:26.400 by saying this
01:28:27.920 but I cannot express to you how
01:28:30.060 this bare bone structure I'm giving you
01:28:32.600 in this analysis
01:28:33.400 every individual scene 0.95
01:28:36.400 is the richest damn thing you've ever seen 0.88
01:28:38.680 like every 0.99
01:28:39.680 something that happens before he is executed
01:28:42.940 and that is
01:28:44.800 what I noticed
01:28:46.240 he has to
01:28:49.000 apologize to
01:28:50.780 the nuns he has corrupted
01:28:52.560 so
01:28:54.600 now
01:28:56.140 bald
01:28:57.600 he comes across again to the nuns
01:29:00.960 who were obsessed over him
01:29:02.580 and I believe what I've
01:29:05.200 seen is that the obsession
01:29:07.300 the love is broken
01:29:09.080 so now it turns into
01:29:11.220 hate
01:29:11.740 like like like i i i've seen this post from from devon erickson you should podcast him
01:29:18.080 with him once um like like that that's because a woman's love or a woman's state or something like
01:29:27.200 is is stationary or its attraction is is stationary they can't grasp that once attraction
01:29:35.760 is lost
01:29:36.760 that it has existed
01:29:39.900 in the past
01:29:40.760 so because
01:29:41.900 Grandier is bald and
01:29:45.120 defiled and this is all not now 0.58
01:29:47.880 I think this
01:29:49.480 distraction is lost and now
01:29:51.340 the nuns go
01:29:53.660 and they find another
01:29:55.740 extra action or maybe they already found
01:29:57.680 because what I noticed
01:30:00.120 because he gets
01:30:01.680 sentenced
01:30:02.280 to death
01:30:04.520 there's also the judas moment but that's that's in in your article as well
01:30:09.300 uh what i know judas moment is incredible yeah yeah yeah but the same thing happens again
01:30:17.640 where uh uh a father or brother i forgot what it is father or brother one of those
01:30:24.540 is it father mignon anyway mignon approaches the nuns again and the nuns or at least is the point
01:30:34.280 disappointed again
01:30:35.880 but this time not that it is not
01:30:38.680 a grandier
01:30:40.180 but that it's not Barre
01:30:41.880 Barre is being a political
01:30:50.620 officer somewhere else doing the same 1.00
01:30:52.540 shit probably 1.00
01:30:53.860 yeah Mignot 1.00
01:30:56.320 he is
01:30:57.960 he is more where the crowd chants
01:31:00.600 Judas at him
01:31:01.640 because he kisses
01:31:03.500 uh grandier and the crowd is just mocking him like uh like the crowd is having fun but he
01:31:09.840 he suddenly realizes all the stuff he's stuff he's done and like his complicity in it and what
01:31:16.440 he's done and like has the idea of grandier as an innocent implanted in his mind and he can't
01:31:23.700 unsee it and of course he sees sir barre that uh barre what's supposed to happen at execution is
01:31:34.420 like the head priest in attendance is supposed to pray for you kiss the bible and then kiss you
01:31:41.080 or some equivalent of that so that uh you know to wish the best for your soul to genuinely wish
01:31:50.560 the best for a soul that maybe
01:31:52.700 they've saved
01:31:53.940 they've saved you
01:31:56.400 which you know we can speculate
01:31:58.860 that some priests were insincere in that
01:32:00.900 or maybe some were very sincere
01:32:02.840 but Barre refuses
01:32:05.020 to do
01:32:05.520 to perform the kiss partly because
01:32:08.620 he needs to insist
01:32:10.540 on no I will not
01:32:12.920 kiss the devil and all this and there's like
01:32:14.620 internal psychology to him
01:32:16.080 and Grandier seeing this
01:32:17.700 yes he needs grandier he psychologically needs grandier to reaffirm this like world he's created
01:32:27.460 that he knows he's lying about but that he's psychologically dependent on and mignon seeing
01:32:33.660 this from barret um all suddenly he has this like seed of doubt zone and he runs up and kisses
01:32:42.340 grandier and then the crowd chants judas at him and like like breaks installed with his his curse
01:32:50.980 and then uh and then uh grandier actually does confess he says what he's truly sorry
01:33:02.240 for he begs their forgiveness that he did not defend their city better and and as soon as
01:33:10.900 Grandier is dead as soon as the crowd is, like, gathered in this carnival atmosphere,
01:33:14.540 and, like, there is no problem, uh, the Baron wastes no time, detonates the walls,
01:33:23.380 Ludum will never be a free city again, uh, they're, they're cats to the wind, and the last shot,
01:33:30.320 the most amazing shot in the world, uh, is, is Grandier's now widowed wife, uh,
01:33:38.460 climbing the ruins of the walls
01:33:41.000 and just walking down a road
01:33:43.180 to nowhere
01:33:43.860 walking to the wasteland
01:33:46.400 yes exactly
01:33:48.540 it's the
01:33:49.520 like
01:33:51.820 for a movie which is entirely
01:33:55.220 gorgeous shots 1.00
01:33:56.980 which is entirely women
01:33:58.720 in every state of dress you can 1.00
01:34:00.980 possibly imagine and making every
01:34:03.080 expression you can possibly imagine
01:34:04.660 and like all these gorgeous things
01:34:07.100 to do with the lights and uh and like the the way light behaves what it moves for stained glass
01:34:14.900 windows and every gorgeous shot that last shot shot with like it's washed out like dusty color
01:34:24.480 palette and that like gray sky and a gray and a gray uh like medieval pathway and the black
01:34:33.560 in the black execution poles
01:34:36.920 with the people
01:34:39.300 that have been broken on the wagon atop
01:34:40.920 just like walking off into the 30 years war
01:34:43.420 that will stay with you
01:34:45.540 until the day you die
01:34:47.000 it is such a gorgeous film
01:34:49.120 but uh
01:34:53.040 so that's like
01:34:56.860 the summary
01:34:57.880 that's what you're getting into
01:34:59.420 we've spoiled it for you
01:35:01.380 but nothing can spoil you for this film
01:35:03.600 because it's all so incredible
01:35:05.780 and so extreme and so dense
01:35:07.720 every little thing
01:35:09.800 is so dense, every line of dialogue
01:35:11.780 like there are individual
01:35:13.620 lines of dialogue that I'm like
01:35:15.060 wait a minute, is that like
01:35:17.580 a tacit reference to this book
01:35:19.480 and I could go off on
01:35:20.540 for an hour
01:35:22.740 I assume you have
01:35:25.600 not seen the
01:35:26.680 how should I call it
01:35:29.880 Should I call it a remaster?
01:35:33.120 The new release?
01:35:34.800 There's a 4K release coming up, a remaster of the Directive's Cut.
01:35:39.260 Originally, they said it was October 16th, but I haven't seen it like screen times for it any time before the week of the 30th.
01:35:59.880 yeah for me it is
01:36:03.060 somewhere in November I think
01:36:04.600 but it is a director's cut
01:36:06.840 so there are scenes we have not seen
01:36:09.200 yeah
01:36:10.760 there are a lot of
01:36:12.240 so during the sequence
01:36:14.940 so there are a lot of sequences
01:36:16.520 and like beats and moments
01:36:18.240 from the interrogation of the nuns
01:36:20.840 and from the
01:36:22.120 like kind of horrors of the
01:36:25.180 quote unquote possessions
01:36:26.700 that um
01:36:29.880 that have not been seen or like were only like someone saw the clip once
01:36:37.980 that they were forced to take out like it was originally supposed to be an nc-17 release and
01:36:43.080 it is an nc-17 release at least entirely like like there is graphic nudity in in this um if
01:36:51.460 you if you take uh your your significant other or date to this like make sure they're the type of
01:36:58.800 person who's like likes horror cinema and likes graphic cinema because like like this is like an
01:37:07.380 inverse doll curve movie of either like you're never going to date that person again or they're
01:37:12.640 going to become obsessed with you after that like it's one or the other make sure to buy them a
01:37:17.120 drink for the movie if you go to one of the cinemas that serves alcohol but uh but like it
01:37:23.760 If you have a goth girl in your life who really likes scary movies and stuff and really likes witchy stuff and scandals and like a cult or a cult media or just media about cults or whatnot, like anything to do with like social contagion or social games and stuff, this is a very common type of girl.
01:37:50.440 if you know any girl like this
01:37:53.140 take her to this movie 1.00
01:37:54.360 you will not be
01:37:55.980 disappointed
01:37:57.540 likewise if you know that
01:38:00.080 the girl you're dating has like
01:38:03.080 a sense of propriety
01:38:05.020 about stuff like this and does not like scary movies
01:38:07.220 and does not like
01:38:08.240 shocking cinema and will like
01:38:10.860 judge you for the movie you take her to
01:38:13.220 do not take her to this movie
01:38:14.820 you know there's a
01:38:16.800 there's an inverse ball 1.00
01:38:18.740 No, no, take the prudest, chaste, Catholic girl to this movie and see what happens.
01:38:25.980 I mean, like, if it's right on the edge of, like, should I do this girl, should I not, you know, is this worth it, is it not, does she like me, does she not, you know. 0.52
01:38:39.920 But she will not forget you.
01:38:42.040 This movie will decide in one way or the other.
01:38:44.480 you know either she's gonna be like oh i want you to be my grandier or she's like 1.00
01:38:49.280 or she'll look at but then she'll be like you took me to what and be scandalized and storm out
01:38:56.280 you know which dating is about efficiently sorting people people right dating is about
01:39:06.300 yeah sorry no no i just remember i recently met up with you know
01:39:15.060 a bit of the a bit of the chuddies you know uh but but there are also many of the the christians
01:39:22.600 there and i and i me being a bit into biology let's say was describing uh how um what is it 0.88
01:39:33.720 how the gays get and she covered her ears and it was so funny because i used metaphor and i didn't
01:39:41.440 go into detail at all but i wonder what will happen if they go to this movie
01:39:47.100 i wonder if i have to censor censor that sentence from youtube oh we'll see what we'll see
01:39:57.340 oh oh um if you're how they get hate yes exactly no we we shall see
01:40:07.100 yes i made a very simple metaphor of locks and keys well go ahead i i will just leave a blank
01:40:17.520 in the audio who knows how youtube works this will be interesting this will be fun we're gonna
01:40:22.640 to learn things you and i do dear uh well i suppose if you're on youtube you might be a viewer
01:40:27.740 uh i'm not probably be a still image and i don't know you guys can listen to this while work
01:40:34.840 or something but i'm not sure when people consume podcasts via youtube that's always been the alien
01:40:41.760 experience for me but uh but yeah so this oh last thing i want to leave you guys off with
01:40:49.380 I wrote an entire article about this, but if you did not read the article, yet you listened to the entire podcast.
01:40:59.260 This is the most historically accurate film.
01:41:03.800 Like, everything, every decision in this film is controversial in some way.
01:41:08.880 Like, every individual element, there's a historical debate about.
01:41:14.120 But if you bring this film to someone in, like, 1650, and they're, like, a Protestant or of any other, like, denomination that hated Cardinal Richelieu, they would tell you 100% that this is exactly what happened and this is exactly who King Louis XIII was.
01:41:38.120 was and they would tell you this is exactly louis the 13th louis the 12th maybe uh this is exactly
01:41:45.820 who this king louis was they'll tell you this is exactly what happened to those poor people at
01:41:51.140 ludol and this is why you have this is why you have to pray every night and keep your gun loaded 1.00
01:41:56.900 and be paranoid as can be because the catholics are going to get you like this is exactly what 0.99
01:42:01.520 Keep your rifle by your side. 1.00
01:42:04.760 Exactly.
01:42:05.620 This is exactly what every Puritan in the 1600s was afraid would happen
01:42:14.740 if they didn't ahead King Charles I of England.
01:42:19.120 You know, this is, or if they didn't overthrow James II.
01:42:25.220 Now they're going to have their own Cardinal Riesler installed
01:42:28.540 and he was going to wage war on all their like all their towns and their uh little local regional 0.83
01:42:35.760 rights and stuff and slowly they're going to be enslaved like the people of france
01:42:40.500 france and they're going to have their children corrupted you know and like some version of what
01:42:46.680 was done to those poor nuns at ludol you know this this was the epstein island of the 1630s
01:42:53.440 this was the
01:42:54.640 this was the like scandalous thing
01:42:57.460 that's like that's how these corrupt
01:42:59.640 people maintain their power
01:43:00.860 this is what we have to fight against with all our might
01:43:03.360 this is why we have to have a
01:43:05.660 civil war in England against the
01:43:07.560 Catholics in spite of the fact that we're a Protestant
01:43:09.640 country because 0.99
01:43:10.480 but instead of Epstein you get
01:43:13.580 Rotherham oh no
01:43:15.240 yeah yeah exactly
01:43:17.360 no this is
01:43:18.340 this is exactly the
01:43:20.720 this is exactly the film about the 1600s that is most relevant to today like you see elements of
01:43:28.880 like the 1960s and how um the u.s the u.s uh letter agencies and like communist infiltrators
01:43:38.760 and various factions corrupted american youth in the 60s and like basically turned all the west
01:43:46.060 coast and her brothel you see this in how um you see this in the epstein case you see this in the
01:43:53.300 rothrum case these uses of sexual sexual violence combined with licentiousness combined with the
01:44:01.000 backing of state violence to destroy and crush people and this is why this is the most relevant
01:44:08.140 movie you could possibly watch this is the movie where you see not just an individual case you see
01:44:17.140 the playbook uh we're going to manipulate belief we're going to manipulate you know
01:44:23.400 desire we're going to we're going to manipulate the vulnerable and we're going to
01:44:28.640 to create this like bizarre stage play in which the process is eternally corrupt
01:44:35.800 and yet you're eternally encouraged to lean on the process
01:44:39.240 as opposed to what you should be doing,
01:44:40.780 which is resorting to immediate escalation outside the process.
01:44:48.960 You know, if Grandier and the free people of the town
01:44:53.940 had just reached for their swords and crossbows
01:44:56.640 at the first opportunity,
01:44:59.000 they could have put an end to this case very quickly,
01:45:03.880 but instead...
01:45:05.800 that it continued, instead of calling for violence,
01:45:09.060 they were calling for a reason,
01:45:12.020 and instead of, instead of leading on,
01:45:16.120 like, their internal force as a free town,
01:45:19.720 instead of leading on courts and institutions
01:45:22.140 from outside it, because of that,
01:45:25.640 they were completely destroyed, because these
01:45:27.740 process will always betray you,
01:45:33.260 and, uh,
01:45:35.800 Imagine just if at the beginning when the walls were attacked,
01:45:42.620 the Baron was turned into a pincushion.
01:45:45.320 Would this have happened?
01:45:46.980 Who knows?
01:45:50.300 Yes, exactly.
01:45:53.000 So that is probably the point to leave it off.
01:45:57.260 Do you have anything more to plug, Andranus?
01:46:01.220 No, I believe I've said the things I wanted to say.
01:46:05.800 Do I have things to plug?
01:46:08.400 No, at the moment, no.
01:46:10.420 I can link your...
01:46:13.340 I have a YouTube that I'm not really doing stuff up.
01:46:18.140 Am I writing s*** at the moment?
01:46:19.760 Not really. 0.94
01:46:20.460 Or am I allowed to say s*** on YouTube? 0.95
01:46:22.400 I don't know. 0.90
01:46:25.260 Sorry.
01:46:27.420 Making work.
01:46:28.720 Making work.
01:46:30.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:46:31.940 No, I...
01:46:34.100 should I share my twitter
01:46:36.020 not sure
01:46:37.300 I'll link in the show notes
01:46:40.340 if you like and then
01:46:41.340 you can grow that audience
01:46:43.800 never turn down future audience
01:46:46.340 yeah fair enough
01:46:48.560 never turn down future audience
01:46:50.200 no sure
01:46:50.960 if you link my twitter and my youtube
01:46:54.200 and
01:46:56.300 that should do
01:46:58.180 alright
01:46:59.500 well this has been
01:47:02.020 This has been the NarcononCon podcast.
01:47:05.540 You listeners out there, de glorious.
01:47:32.020 Thank you.
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01:49:02.020 Thank you.
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01:50:02.020 Thank you.
01:50:32.020 We'll see you next time.