Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸29⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 212 - Thus Spake Spekingr East

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00:03:00.000 good uh evening or afternoon depending on where you're at uh welcome to another awesome episode

00:03:13.600 of victory never sleeps uh today we are sort of launching my fifth wednesday series taking

00:03:22.560 specking our brandy facet spot on that uh today we have a special guest who i don't think has

00:03:31.440 been on the program before uh one of our very best folk builders uh gothe student fellow

00:03:39.680 supreme anglo-saxon uh ron boardman and i will have questions and such for him in a moment but

00:03:46.640 first do some of our usual top of the show stuff um we are still paying off phrase off

00:03:53.440 we've done excellent so far we're already almost halfway there in less than a year

00:03:59.900 since we uh even started the purchasing um process so 45.4 percent

00:04:09.900 not bad at all uh we are also still building up for the pavilion at Sigurheim which will be used to

00:04:22.620 make the uh the weather and the uh kind of climate there a little more bearable

00:04:28.880 in the hotter months because Tennessee is very humid if you haven't been down south

00:04:34.420 um let's see other stuff the ladies retreat at odenshof uh september 11th through 13th

00:04:45.240 there will be meditative workshops ladies empowerment prith weaving uh etc it's young

00:04:51.900 ladies 13 and up who will actively participate encouraged to join you can still get your tickets

00:04:57.860 at runestone.org slash store that that would be exciting i'm looking forward to hearing

00:05:15.220 um as far as top the show stuff please share on youtube twitter rumble etc etc

00:05:27.860 As the old Saragothi always says, the biggest reason that our numbers are not much higher than they are is because most people simply don't know we exist.

00:05:39.980 We find that often when people do find us and become enthusiastic members, it was their oftentimes their first time hearing of the AFA.

00:05:50.220 Go over some donations we got in.

00:05:52.680 Jeffrey in Texas donated $25 to both Frazehoff and the Pavilion at Sigurheim.

00:05:59.280 No, excuse me, the Baldursoff Steeple and Pavilion at Sigurheim.

00:06:03.040 Nick left me a typo in the side chat here.

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00:06:08.400 Robert donated $10 to the Sigurheim Pavilion.

00:06:12.060 And my good kinsman Gilbert Page donated $150 to Frazehoff.

00:06:17.760 Thank you, all gentlemen.

00:06:18.860 um i know with the economy the way it is it's tough to you know spare any extra extra shekels

00:06:28.840 but uh we really appreciate it and it's going towards good works anybody who's been to any of

00:06:34.360 our hoffs or any of our events can vouch for that okay so uh to start i guess let me see i have a

00:06:45.540 list of like interview type questions for you ron i have them typed up on my phone so i don't

00:06:51.140 forget any uh if you don't mind starting off just kind of telling us about yourself generally

00:06:58.180 just for those that don't know you generally

00:07:03.460 ah well in that vein you guys well i live in new hampshire i'm originally from massachusetts

00:07:09.380 north of boston on the ocean and uh oh geez i've been in a boy scout um normal family uh boy scout

00:07:18.980 love scouts love that sort of thing in the out of doors grew up outside um like many of us grew up

00:07:27.140 watching some of the old uh well maybe not like so many younger guys but i'm sure many of us still

00:07:32.820 grew up watching, you know, Robin Hood, Errol Flynn, Moby Dick, all these, you know, Spartacus,

00:07:39.460 all these, you know, Mutiny on the Bounty, all these very heroic movies they used to make about

00:07:45.460 our people. And it had an eager audience because it was our people and we were into our ancestors

00:07:51.740 back then. Way more so than you think of now. We weren't demonized. So I grew up with that

00:07:57.420 background and you know uh and military family too not that we were traveling military like lifers but

00:08:04.540 you know my father did a stint uncles did a stint uh civil war revolution fighting indians and the

00:08:12.860 the narragansett indians um uh so we've got a long line of military in our family so so all these

00:08:21.340 things um kind of was my backdrop in life you know heroic tales that that sort of thing um

00:08:31.420 so when as i grew and got older just we didn't have the internet um old guy statement right but

00:08:38.300 we didn't have the internet so we would thumb through uh encyclopedias and dictionaries and

00:08:45.180 you go to the library and you know you look stuff up in the library and in and like the

00:08:49.500 the All Father says, you know, word leads to word, deed leads to deed. And you start

00:08:55.940 bumping into things. And oh, I got a challenge for you guys. I'd love you guys to keep track

00:09:04.320 of how many times I say um. I try not to say it, but I say it a lot. So I'd love to hear

00:09:08.960 at the end how many times I actually said um. So but my town was called Nahat. It's

00:09:15.740 off of Lynn, Salem. It's right on the ocean. And it was right on the Bicentennial of America.

00:09:23.160 And they would, a lot of history. There was Indian history in town, fighting the Indians in town. 0.95

00:09:28.960 But there was also something, you know, Sea Serpent that was, you know, from Gloucester to Boston

00:09:34.060 and was seen all summer in the late 1800s. But one of the things was they were talking about

00:09:38.740 um leaf the lucky how they because one of his stories in about in the villain saga they talk

00:09:47.780 about there's like a a headland of a you know cape headland and you know sandy beaches which

00:09:54.420 could apply to most in new england right but our town in the they used to like to say oh well they

00:10:01.220 he was in the hunt so all these things come together and like i was saying earlier set the

00:10:06.260 backdrop and you get older and encyclopedias and oh what's this oh what's runes oh runes

00:10:12.500 what's that oh so i learned how to write ronnie if everyone called me ronnie growing up i learned

00:10:17.540 how to write ronnie and runes and i still have a powder horn that i bought at gettysburg and i

00:10:23.700 wrote ronnie on it and so you know i'm probably 12 13. like a lot of us do those types of things and

00:10:28.420 and um and then as the years go on these these sorts of things um build up and when i was in

00:10:36.580 the infantry i met a dude who was just generic pagan right and i never knew such a thing had

00:10:43.540 still existed and he and i would talk a lot and again it was generic european pagan and it wasn't

00:10:51.380 But, you know, we talked about Odin and Thor and heritage to an extent, and that's really where I was exposed to different people of different backgrounds that we didn't grow up seeing in New England back in the day.

00:11:13.500 and so these things come together

00:11:15.680 and I remember

00:11:17.980 we were talking specifically we were talking about

00:11:20.020 Beowulf because I was

00:11:22.020 asking him I thought he was like a guy

00:11:23.920 who knew it all I was asking him about

00:11:25.940 oh who are these heathen gods they worshipped

00:11:28.000 in Beowulf and but he

00:11:29.960 didn't he didn't have an idea

00:11:31.460 that oh they were you know the

00:11:33.740 Germanic gods you know Thor and such

00:11:35.800 and so these are the things that really come together

00:11:37.660 and didn't really do much

00:11:39.920 with it he got out of the service I got out of

00:11:41.720 the service we did our things and

00:11:43.300 And years later, again, like I told you, I grew up near Salem, Mass.

00:11:51.780 And there's a generic pig, Wiccan mostly, but you'd see flyers and that sort of thing.

00:11:57.840 And one of the flyers, it was advertising thing, was a local kindred.

00:12:04.120 This was probably the mid to late 90s.

00:12:06.020 Yeah, mid 90s.

00:12:07.940 And so I went and I went and I saw something on AOL at the time.

00:12:12.720 sorry but aol at the time about the same group and and i wound up going to meet these guys and um

00:12:19.200 and also i read some books in the mid-90s early to mid-90s about um

00:12:24.720 asa true as well and uh you know including thorson's but also uh you know it's kind of

00:12:30.640 embarrassing well i shouldn't say embarrassing but a guy by the name of kveldof gunderson

00:12:36.560 this was his pen name and i read one of his books and i i got a lot out of it at the time

00:12:40.720 um but be that as as it may you know and i met these other people and you know i started hanging

00:12:47.920 out with them i was like oh you know that's a true cool you know and but they were we were all

00:12:52.640 younger and they were kids too and there wasn't wokeism back then but but the big thing in 1998

00:13:00.560 i went to yule bloat and uh i met a beautiful brunette who i wanted to marry in and uh

00:13:07.840 And so, yeah, so there's that.

00:13:13.620 And then I started getting more into the Anglo-Saxon side of the house with the Wodening, Swain Wodening, and Brian Smith, an old good friend down in Maryland.

00:13:27.660 And I stayed in that world for a very, very long time. 0.95

00:13:32.860 But we would still rub elbows with regular Ossetru, I'll say, you know, like just people on the street. 0.52

00:13:40.100 But come the mid-teens, and I don't know if this is where you wanted me to go with this, but come the mid-teens, Ossetru, like the rest of the world, started really getting different.

00:13:54.600 A lot of people were just generally on the left side of the house, which was fine. 0.87

00:14:00.220 they really started going ballistic and they were importing alphabet people everywhere into their

00:14:08.060 groups like that was a thing you had to have some and to me that was just ridiculous you know and

00:14:18.380 back in the day there's always been a universal focus split nasa true and but it functionally

00:14:26.780 didn't really exist because there really wasn't those people to make it be split we're all

00:14:35.420 european men and women um but then come the mid-teens you know early to mid-teen

00:14:40.780 i'd say early teens ish you started seeing that import coming in and it really changed

00:14:45.180 the character of asa true and so you know i became more insular with just uh anglo-saxon folks and

00:14:51.340 and do internal issues with personalities

00:14:56.160 and that sort of thing.

00:14:57.560 Like a lot of things, things just go their own way,

00:15:00.880 separate way and so me and the wife spent a little more time

00:15:05.120 with the broader Ossetu guys in New England

00:15:08.800 and then that got worse and worse 0.63

00:15:12.280 and we saw them less and less

00:15:13.560 and we've been hosting stuff forever.

00:15:15.680 So we dialed back on hosting things

00:15:18.800 and then COVID kind of sealed the deal.

00:15:23.200 So we were kind of ourselves for a few years

00:15:30.960 and once in a while we'd have people over for the holidays

00:15:33.060 but it was nothing like we used to do.

00:15:35.560 We used to have, you know,

00:15:36.800 scores of people here in the regular

00:15:38.500 and so then we were lonely.

00:15:45.520 We messed up people and the world changed even more

00:15:48.560 we became more insular in the sense of wanting to be around our own people.

00:15:53.360 And I tried to fill that role to some extent with being active in the

00:15:57.600 veteran foreign wars, the American Legion. I did some Civil War reenacting and I did

00:16:05.600 Sons of Union veterans of the Civil War, those types of fraternal veteran groups and 0.94

00:16:11.440 and nice guys but they were i was always the youngest old guy and all they'd want to talk

00:16:19.600 about is their glory days and when they were 21 years old and did whatever and it didn't

00:16:25.120 they got my dogs and but it didn't it didn't suit me it didn't suit lily it just wasn't there so then

00:16:33.520 we've always known about the answer to focus somebody always but we never joined because

00:16:38.160 in our eyes that was more of a west coast thing at the time and plus i was active very active

00:16:44.240 in the anglo-saxon world um uh the fairest world um but so we didn't really think much of it we

00:16:51.920 had friends who were in it but they all wound up kicking out excuse me leaving due to their concerns

00:16:59.760 with um the fa being more clearly um more clearly um succinct in their language on that we are

00:17:10.640 focused you know i guess at one time there's a lot more not wishy-washy there was people who

00:17:16.320 didn't really understand how that we were focused and so anyways in in oh where was so anyways but

00:17:22.560 we never thought of the afa uh we never thought of it and and then one day lily said um i wonder

00:17:28.720 if we should check out the afa and i was like music to my ears let's do it and we saw a photograph

00:17:35.600 of a moot it was like an axe throwing it was some of the main guys at the time come over to 0.51

00:17:41.840 new hampshire and uh it's like holy holy mackerel there are afa guys in

00:17:49.520 not just new england but in new hampshire we've got to check this out and uh

00:17:54.240 and then i i think we corresponded with somebody wanting to come to a moot and uh they said we

00:18:04.240 ought to join to come to the moot and i said we said okay and and we did and it was probably one

00:18:11.520 of the one of the best decisions we've ever made in our life um to join the afa and we we joined

00:18:19.200 we met the people and and uh fantastic individuals men women children um these regular regular people

00:18:29.360 that i could similar worldview religious wise political wise social wise all these things

00:18:38.800 into the heritage you know and um by looking at these even though now i'm actually the oldest

00:18:46.720 old guy instead of the youngest old guy but when you look at these men and women like

00:18:52.560 pious you know i could see myself it wasn't like showing up at like some and this isn't bashing

00:18:59.840 any anybody but it's not showing up and expecting to see people in in all you see is like leather

00:19:06.880 and spiky hair and piercings you know there was none of that it was like regular dudes and

00:19:12.240 dudettes you know and um and i wore my hat to the first one because that's my dress hat anyways i've

00:19:18.160 worn this type of thing forever as my dress hat and uh and it was all she wrote it was all she

00:19:23.520 wrote and um me and lillard are incredibly happy and we we started hosting things again like we

00:19:30.240 did in the old days and it was just probably the best decision we made is i love our people

00:19:36.240 well, I love our folk, and I love the Aesir, and being in the Austrian Folk Assembly, especially

00:19:43.580 as a folk builder, that marries the two together, in my view, so I'm serving our folk, who

00:19:49.740 I love, and our holy Aesir, who I really love, so it's one of the best things for me, and

00:19:57.040 we just love it, and we're really so happy, and it's just been good for our, we weren't

00:20:02.140 a bad relationship but it just it amplifies our relationship because the thing that initially

00:20:07.580 brought us together you know our worship of the ac and you know beautiful brunette too you know

00:20:14.700 but our worship of the ac you know being that that binding thing is is being able to flourish again

00:20:21.340 and um and when i feel and i could probably demonstrably say it's true that that we are

00:20:26.940 are making a difference um in our folks life maybe not on a grand scale hopefully one day

00:20:32.860 but but at least on a local level and uh and that that that contribution at the local level

00:20:40.540 helps the the bigger level of the church of the acr on midgard and um yeah so that's my story and

00:20:47.900 i'm sticking to it there's probably more i could buy more i could tell but you guys probably heard

00:20:53.500 all you need to hear about that for now all right uh yeah thank you for sharing all that

00:21:03.580 you kind of answered my first uh and second question there which is cool um and that reminded

00:21:10.860 me you mentioned making a difference in the world uh the alzharagothy is uh or was i don't know if

00:21:17.180 it's still going on but he had an interview with uh mark collette of patriotic alternative over

00:21:21.740 the united kingdom uh i believe that's on rumble if someone wants to post a link to that in the

00:21:29.900 uh live stream chat that'd be cool uh so our folk can get it and also so i can get it because i'm

00:21:36.620 not super tech savvy and have never used rumble once so uh yeah i heard he did a great job or

00:21:43.180 is doing a great job okay really good interview it was very mark's a pretty well-spoken dude and

00:21:50.060 all shall go as always well-spoken and very cordial very friendly and uh very receptive

00:21:56.940 i'd love to see them love to see them on again it was a very just informative just interesting

00:22:02.460 it's interesting yeah i like that um someone with that bigger an audience was able to have

00:22:08.940 uh he also here go with you on i'd love to see him uh get an interview with uh thomas sewell in

00:22:14.860 australia as well kind of get all the anglosphere together worshiping the ice here uh but yeah

00:22:23.020 we've already had a couple of british people uh you know shoot us emails asking about if they can

00:22:28.620 visit the us to come see a hoff and whatnot we have somebody probably come to praise off

00:22:33.260 in the next few months which okay great um yeah we said one of our members from sweden

00:22:41.900 was it for midsummer he was over the half for midsummer yeah yeah so i mean the the the bloat

00:22:48.540 firth you know the the term you you you you you you you scared you scared up is uh is the thing

00:22:54.860 you know you know it's a great term i love it i don't think enough of us use that that that term

00:22:59.980 you know it's two words bloat we all know bloat is and firth like going forth you know and it's

00:23:08.380 yeah it's a it's going to somewhere holy or special for for a holy day or holy event and

00:23:14.060 a blofer like i i hate to make christian comparisons you know but you know pilgrimage

00:23:18.620 it's you know and it really is and blow forth is a really good term and i don't think enough of us

00:23:24.300 enough of us use it oh let me see it's my next question i had for you uh as a fellow proud

00:23:33.660 saxon uh what thoughts if any do you have on theodism i ask because uh a lot of people in the

00:23:42.220 afa uh specifically a decent number of our clergy past and present have had interactions with them

00:23:49.100 some positive some negative but mostly they seem to you know they'll leave it because they

00:23:55.420 prefer the afa which i'm certainly not going to get upset at them for but they always seem to

00:24:01.420 have gotten something from it and uh with you having mentioned that you know you were especially

00:24:07.820 involved in the anglo-saxon side of things i was just curious what your uh unbiased take

00:24:13.900 is on theodism what do they do right what do they do wrong etc well i there's there's some good

00:24:24.620 people in theorism that i wish i had maintained contact with um theodism is typically seen

00:24:35.580 as anglo-saxon but it's it's not specifically there they're there at one time i don't keep

00:24:44.300 in touch anymore but at one time there was a frisian failed there was um

00:24:49.100 there's a guy who was doing like a saxon you know continental saxon failed but i think he

00:24:56.520 jumped ship and changed it around to anglo-saxon um there's a guy in new york

00:25:03.560 I won't even mention his name 0.99

00:25:06.840 Complete Loser

00:25:07.800 But he was pretty big for a time 0.99

00:25:09.640 And he practiced a Norman version

00:25:13.320 Normani

00:25:13.920 You know, the Danes in London, Normandy 1.00

00:25:16.420 He practiced that 0.83

00:25:17.760 And they're all

00:25:19.800 You could say

00:25:23.980 Because my failed

00:25:25.500 That I was a part of

00:25:27.360 You could say

00:25:29.520 I'm a failed failsman

00:25:31.020 Because it didn't work out

00:25:32.600 part my fault, part other guy's fault, but I accept that, you know, that's just the way it is.

00:25:39.700 So, but with that, that is a backdrop. The good thing about theodism is it was very, it was very

00:25:46.780 scholarly, but not scholarly where you don't practice. I used to call theodism orthodox

00:25:53.800 asitur, you know, very, very, it's in, this is in the law. This is everything that we do

00:26:00.000 is in the law somewhere.

00:26:03.340 If it's not in the law,

00:26:05.160 you wouldn't see it as much.

00:26:08.100 And I like that quite a bit.

00:26:10.940 There's a lot of scholarly work

00:26:14.720 in passing on that information.

00:26:17.880 The downside is,

00:26:19.200 one of the downsides,

00:26:23.220 I think in Asitua in general,

00:26:25.780 there's that information

00:26:27.620 that is out there

00:26:28.840 is often past uh mouth to ear and while there's some excellent material like uh the founders um

00:26:39.160 book on assatu uh the spear uh all shall go they put together the true log smile while there's some

00:26:45.320 excellent resources there that's still in my mind relatively small compared to what i would like to

00:26:51.880 see out there. And Theodism did that too. I mean, there's the Wodnings, Swain and Eric,

00:26:59.400 Barry and Terry Knute, they put together a number of books, smaller books, smaller publicized books,

00:27:07.560 and you can still find them out there. And those are really good. And

00:27:12.920 when I was a Theodisman, as I said earlier, there'd be a lot of this generic Ossetru guys come.

00:27:19.400 there was a big thing in texas i can't remember what it was called there's a big thing in texas

00:27:26.520 years ago and so many people came and i'd probably say like at least a third of them were just generic

00:27:31.400 asset room um steve parlington come down he was a guest there we flew he got flown in i shouldn't

00:27:38.120 say we i was a member um so he got flown in but um hope you guys are counting the arms he uh

00:27:49.400 So anyways, probably so a lot of that knowledge was that scholarly knowledge.

00:27:56.740 And don't for a second take it that Asatru in general isn't scholarly.

00:28:01.840 I'm not saying that.

00:28:04.880 There's a lot of minutia that the Theodsmen would dig up.

00:28:07.680 So a lot of people would come to those things and be around it.

00:28:10.280 And I think generic Asatru are who came were bettered by it because you'd be able to learn a lot more.

00:28:19.400 of the law which would inform your practice today but i think that was also the

00:28:28.040 i'm trying to be careful because you know i mean other people may have different ideas i'm

00:28:32.120 trying not to irk old friends if they're watching um but i think also that minutia also kind of

00:28:39.960 hamstrung us to be stuck in a time in place as opposed to being what we like to call you know

00:28:47.320 forward-facing asitur while i still agree with

00:28:54.120 while i personally think it's good broadly right this is ron talking this isn't afa talking but

00:29:04.040 i think it's good to do something the way um our ancient asitur ancestors did it or try to do it

00:29:13.720 because then you are at that point now you are informed on what it was what it was like

00:29:22.100 but you're also a modern man or woman you can take that and with real knowledge

00:29:28.660 because you did it apply it to today right um

00:29:36.160 so yeah and i it seems like and there was personalities at the time that was

00:29:42.080 one of the downfalls with

00:29:43.500 theorism in my mind is there's a lot of oaths

00:29:46.320 between, there was an oath everywhere

00:29:48.160 and while the web of oaths sounds like

00:29:50.200 a good idea,

00:29:52.080 and it is I think still fantastic

00:29:54.040 for leadership, but people who are leading

00:29:56.180 and holding office within

00:29:58.200 an organization, a church, I still think

00:30:00.180 that's a good idea.

00:30:02.660 But when you got a new guy coming

00:30:04.180 in and he's got an oath to another guy

00:30:06.180 and all these web of oaths

00:30:08.040 get dirty

00:30:09.720 and it gets sticky and it can

00:30:11.800 can turn ugly because now this person this group is enemies with this person this group but you

00:30:16.600 have oaths that merge together somewhere and it's like what do i do with this um but the but the

00:30:25.320 piousness and seriousness of the people and that i knew in theodism were were there they were on

00:30:32.280 they were like us we are pious and we are serious in what we're doing we're not playing around

00:30:36.920 um i mean we like to laugh and joke we embrace life but we're not playing around so but i think

00:30:43.060 a lot of that kind of and there were you know how a small world can be you know some people

00:30:47.820 get in there they want to control others and and so there were some people who weren't doing it

00:30:52.540 for the right reasons and and it hurt the greater because everybody was bound by oaths you know and

00:30:59.640 um again the leadership it's important that we have both since it's important that we have the

00:31:05.680 um y'all shall go they being the top dog and his word is the final word you know that's that's very

00:31:11.840 important there's the buck stops here that's very important and it's one of the things i love about

00:31:15.920 the afa there is a man accountable and i might cry about something but in the end well my my boss

00:31:23.920 you know uh one of the gold are or specking are also go they said no this is not what we want to

00:31:29.360 do we want to do it this way and that's it there's you it doesn't foster a a bickering attitude by

00:31:37.600 well actually you know we don't have that because we have clearly defined order which is good

00:31:43.440 because that's natural and that order is natural um so yeah we did we did swine blow another number

00:31:50.720 times here for for midsummer and that was was fantastic and holy and uh very special and um

00:32:04.320 yeah so so that was a good in theros and very learned a lot like stumble

00:32:09.760 uh githya ericsson huff githya ericsson she can tell you um she can tell you of 150 people in high

00:32:16.800 stumble 150 people in high stumble with with i think we call the male wenches but you know

00:32:22.880 a serving lady uh passing around a horn they go all night long you know but that's a lot of people

00:32:30.080 and um yeah it was there's i learned a lot there's a lot of good there's a lot of good out of it a

00:32:39.200 lot of good out of it but i i do want to say one more thing about there is some of the some of the

00:32:43.520 guys like to bust on uh larpers for theorism in in for the overwhelming majority of us that

00:32:53.040 that definitely wasn't the case and they'll point to um garb tunics and some guys can go a little

00:33:01.920 far with hats and stuff that that kind of what robin hood had or uh i've heard the smurf hat

00:33:09.760 you know a phrygian cap and and i get it i get it but but the reason

00:33:16.240 look at us now you and i sir right we're dressed i think we're dressed well you know really sharp

00:33:21.440 but you know we're modern men and we're showing our devotion a seriousness of what we're talking

00:33:27.280 about what we're doing by dressing sharp well we used to call that wafer sharp sharp is like looking

00:33:35.200 sharp but wayford is a like an altar like right so you're dressed sharp for the author and in

00:33:39.760 wearing the tunics and you know scrammer sacks on your hip and you know a cloak and stuff it it

00:33:48.480 some people felt it was a lot even back then you know but but the idea was a piousness it's like

00:33:52.560 wearing leader holes into a oktoberfest um that sort of thing so it was taken very seriously it

00:34:00.160 It was a way of looking sharp and trying to get in touch with our ancestors.

00:34:06.060 And, yeah, so I did want to say that about theodism and that people like to hurl stones about that.

00:34:14.520 And I guess some of it could be legitimate with some people, but in general, we're trying to look nice.

00:34:20.080 And to be fair, most Asatru or many Asatruah did that back in the day, too.

00:34:26.280 yeah i mean there's a you know we did the episode of vns uh where chris savage kind of led us

00:34:34.680 through the afa's history in a slideshow and there were plenty of times in the early free assembly

00:34:40.100 and folk assembly days you'd have guys dressed up like full-on vikings um as far as theodism goes

00:34:46.920 uh i've most of the literally all of the people i've met in person that came from theodism were

00:34:56.020 all pious devoted individuals and incidentally all of those people are still in the afa either

00:35:02.260 current or former leaders even the former leaders that's in a great way um

00:35:16.180 i guess my message as far as theodism would be

00:35:19.140 you know obviously i'm going to say you should join the afa get your whole thing and bring them

00:35:26.800 in as a kindred or just as a group you don't have to remain a kindred if you don't want to

00:35:30.980 etc uh be a fault builder for us and you could you know your personal practice can be based in

00:35:38.020 anglo-saxon history um you know you won't find you probably you won't find two men uh more

00:35:46.500 proud of their uh anglo-saxon heritage than the two of us on the screen right now i i would put

00:35:52.500 money on it you know so i do i definitely understand wanting to do the theodism thing

00:35:56.980 i kind of i saw some pictures out on facebook or instagram or wherever one of those

00:36:01.880 junk sites uh when i was 19 or 20 and gotten into austro and i uh you know i part of me

00:36:09.080 really considered like man i want to go do that

00:36:11.260 specific ancestors did at least something like that and of course you know you take a step back

00:36:20.300 and look at a wider view of history and it's you know the anglo-saxons and the vikings etc are all

00:36:27.520 the same people and it's kind of different subcultures uh but yeah i've i've never had

00:36:37.320 anybody in the AFA as a former Theod's man or Theod's woman, whatever the proper term is.

00:36:45.860 You know, they all left that and came here for a reason, but they all had largely good things to

00:36:52.340 say about Theodism. And, you know, like I said, I'm certainly going to be team AFA all the way,

00:37:00.320 but i don't i don't fault anybody for having gone to theodism first and it you know it may look a

00:37:08.000 little larpy or whatever but i think pretty much everybody that gets into ancestral faith does a

00:37:14.160 little bit of uh larping to an extent or at least likes the idea of it or thinks it looks cool or

00:37:20.960 whatever i couldn't afford one of those fancy tunics myself or i probably would have at one

00:37:25.360 point but i definitely admired the hell out of them but i think the big reason why

00:37:32.320 if you have been theorist before and kind of floating around um or if you're currently

00:37:38.560 theorist at the moment and and not really feeling it you ought to come over and the reason i say that

00:37:44.160 is one of the good things about theorism at the time was the like i said the the knowledge the

00:37:49.840 scholarly knowledge you learn you can learn a lot however by in my mind by delving delving so deep

00:37:59.120 into it you can become siloed into into it well the afa we take that knowledge and we learn that

00:38:11.200 knowledge and there's a lot of knowledge here a lot of knowledge here but it's used to inform

00:38:18.480 today right and i'm and there's a distinction there there's a line where i'm not trying to

00:38:25.840 seek the salesman live in the past i'm not saying that at all but in saying that you you can get

00:38:33.360 siloed while the astro folk assembly you you can still gain that level of knowledge right if you

00:38:42.720 seek it you can find it but also you're living today in the relationships you build with people

00:38:51.240 today go more tends to go more beyond church day right the afa one of the guys about 10 minutes

00:39:08.280 away his daughter had a birthday right she knows one of the other guys a folk builder tyler saget

00:39:12.940 he's up in keene right real close friend of mine too they have kids about the same age well

00:39:18.860 we went to the birthday i went to show my face at the birthday one of the guys from father up north

00:39:24.080 come down he's got kids about the same age welcome not for the birthday so in a and it was an afa

00:39:29.060 event only because it was afa members there doing it you know so i'm not saying that canter doesn't

00:39:35.340 happen in theorism, but that happens a lot more, a lot more in the Astru Folk Assembly because we

00:39:43.260 are so forward-facing and we are so forward-facing. So you build these real-world relationships a lot

00:39:53.160 better with people. And there's also a lot more of us around too. And so it's easy to build these

00:39:58.600 relationships with a lot more people. And like I know if I go off the road in the middle of the

00:40:03.720 night in January uh in the snow snow bank I can call up Tyler or one of the other boys who were

00:40:09.800 nearby and they'll come get me I know it I know it you know I mean we've driven each other to the

00:40:15.040 hospital for hospital visits you know it's like all right I'll take the day off I'll drive you

00:40:19.840 down two hours down towards boss of the hospital guys do that drive people to the airport guys do

00:40:25.600 that you know someone doesn't live nearby but they never get to come out but they want to come

00:40:29.400 out for bloat guys have gone and gotten that person that gone out of their way to get that

00:40:33.260 so there's i'm not saying that doesn't happen in in terrorism but it doesn't happen on the

00:40:38.300 scale that it does in the austro focus i see that all the time not just new england but i hear guys

00:40:44.060 down in your neck of the woods sir in georgia i hear that all that i'll pick up at the airport

00:40:49.340 people doing i'll go back and pick someone else up it happens all the time and and so yeah that's

00:40:55.900 another just even though it's more mundane and secularish sounding um but being together with

00:41:01.820 our people is is in itself a uh i'll say ritual but it's a it's it's kind of a ritual itself

00:41:07.900 being with our own people yeah it's all these things yeah and i mean at these little you know

00:41:16.300 more uh secular i guess as you said gatherings um it's not you know we don't spend the whole

00:41:22.060 time just discussing the ice here and the the cosmology or whatever um uh gothi mayo and i

00:41:28.780 he lives relatively nearby whenever we get together for example we have the classic

00:41:32.380 argument of uh is metallica or megadeth better uh the answer is metallica in the 80s megadeth

00:41:39.540 from then on by the way but um you know discussions like that or we'll complain about

00:41:47.040 the cost of like fixing a radiator on a car or whatever and it's just silly little mundane

00:41:54.100 stuff but those things do build connections um not as much as standing in uh one of the old

00:42:00.860 here I go with these you know bloat with somebody but it adds to it adds an extra layer it's kind

00:42:06.460 of like uh you said with your watch you know you see a fellow with a pretty brunette and I've done

00:42:11.040 the same thing yeah yeah the uh you know having the eye sear and your relationship with them as

00:42:19.800 added layer of foundation to that really is kind of the glue that holds it all together

00:42:26.600 and it just makes the mundane stuff that much more rewarding because you can say

00:42:31.240 you know with this guy who's arguing with him about metallica and is wrong bodhi um you know

00:42:37.720 he's a good guy and i've connected with him on this deep level and we share the same gods and

00:42:42.520 all this that and the other it's funny about gody mayo i lightly knew him through the internet

00:42:52.360 25 years ago i think probably the early 2000s like very early i think we we frequented some

00:42:58.760 of the same online spaces so it's kind of funny when i when i want to come hop it you know coming

00:43:04.840 over to the afa and hitching my wagon it's like hey i know that name i know that name and and

00:43:10.760 marry a few other people that i'm like i know that name from years ago yeah yeah yeah i've noticed

00:43:16.360 some i noticed another and i know some of the couple anglo-saxon types that i knew back in the

00:43:22.520 day it's like oh i know you so there's a lot of it people people vote with their feet right if

00:43:28.920 if something's good or something bad they vote with their feet they're going to go to what's good

00:43:33.240 and and and we people vote with their feet and that's why you see so many

00:43:37.320 people come here of different different backgrounds you know people have been around

00:43:42.540 a little bit people haven't been around so it's definitely a place to be absolutely um

00:43:50.580 one other thing i wanted to point out about ron to brag on him a little bit

00:43:55.680 i just remembered is uh in stephen pollington's book elder gods which the altar goes the plugs

00:44:01.400 often uh so the law speaker is mentioned in there uh in the even the foreword or the preface um

00:44:09.880 another staunch anglo-saxon man but uh ron boardman i pointed the wrong way excuse me

00:44:18.280 ron boardman is also mentioned in there so that's pretty cool i you know i didn't notice

00:44:23.400 that until i think after we had met in person uh at oscar a few years ago and i was kind of

00:44:29.960 i dug up my copy and i was just reading through it again and i was like oh it's crazy that law

00:44:35.480 speaker turned his name is in there and i saw yours my way whoa yeah so small i remember that

00:44:41.000 we had to have ron going around making signatures and he had like his own little book signing

00:44:45.800 yeah yeah yeah that's true that's true so i i things pop in my head randomly i'm not a detail

00:44:55.160 guy too often i'm more of a broad brush theme kind of guy but um we uh we asked you focus on

00:45:04.200 we we we we um we cleave the old norse is our uh our language we use for for um officially i

00:45:15.420 want to say liturgical liturgical but i can't pronounce it i can picture it in my head but i

00:45:21.240 can't pronounce it. That's our liturgy, right? It's Old Norse. And the reason why we do that

00:45:26.900 is for harmony, because we have Anglo-Saxons, we have Continental Saxon, we have Danes,

00:45:32.880 we have Swedes. And we use that to harmonize, to make sure we're all on the same sheet of music.

00:45:39.720 And we told Old Norse because, you know, in general, that's where our oldest

00:45:47.720 extent sources are that we use to inform our worship

00:45:52.040 and our behavior. And that's

00:45:56.240 not very different, right? We used to say

00:46:00.200 Witten for advisors to the 1.00

00:46:03.380 Al-Shagodi. And Witten is just the king's 1.00

00:46:08.220 counselors. And we go for Speckinger now. And Speckinger is the Old Norse

00:46:11.860 equivalent. And it has connotations of speaking,

00:46:14.800 advising the king,

00:46:16.980 and we use that to advise

00:46:18.980 the Ashiagothi, right?

00:46:20.460 The Ashiagothi, the king has a final word, 0.99

00:46:23.520 but the Speckinger, you know,

00:46:25.220 wise men and women advise,

00:46:27.000 like the Witten, but we jump to

00:46:28.600 Speckinger, right?

00:46:31.140 So,

00:46:33.920 Theodism,

00:46:35.220 we use those

00:46:37.020 old terms, we didn't say midsummer,

00:46:38.720 well, we did, you know,

00:46:40.040 in general conversation, but we'd say

00:46:42.660 Litha. We wouldn't say

00:46:44.660 Freyfaxi would say hlafmas, loafmas, llamas.

00:46:52.700 So all these, some of these traits we had in the old Thetish days that I enjoyed so much,

00:46:59.560 we do as well in the AFA.

00:47:01.860 We try to use accurate language, accurate behaviors.

00:47:07.320 We're constantly refining, we're constantly refining bloat.

00:47:13.500 So I'm not saying we're changing it all the time.

00:47:16.140 It's very different than saying refining.

00:47:18.480 We'll find details.

00:47:19.660 What can we do better?

00:47:20.600 What can we make it more accurate?

00:47:22.060 What can we make it more pleasing to the Acer in enacting the gift cycle?

00:47:27.300 Those sorts of things.

00:47:28.380 So if you're a guy who's got that type of background,

00:47:31.840 you're going to see a similar mindset in the Ostrou Folk Assembly as well.

00:47:38.240 But we're trying to get it right, trying to be accurate.

00:47:40.380 and um and the most obvious thing i i say i would say the most obvious thing is the the naming

00:47:46.080 conventions using old norse instead of winter findings here harvest here house float there

00:47:52.320 we we harmonize it and we're trying to do it right and trying to be more accurate and

00:47:56.100 oh we've been spelling it wrong the whole time let's fix it so that's that constant refining

00:48:01.420 i'm i i mentioned and um so yeah if you're listening and you're a serious minded guy and

00:48:07.860 And you're not going to find any more serious-minded Asatrua than you will in the Asatrua Folk Assembly.

00:48:15.180 Anywhere else you go, they're going to be guys.

00:48:18.720 They may be doing their best and trying hard, but they're not going to be up to speed or they're doing it for the wrong reason.

00:48:27.540 Yeah, come see us.

00:48:29.520 Come visit us.

00:48:30.460 You'll like us.

00:48:31.780 A lot of good people.

00:48:32.460 And if you do find very serious, devoted alcinture that aren't here, it's likely they don't know we exist or they haven't given us a chance.

00:48:41.040 So you come over here and you bring them with you.

00:48:46.100 So something I saw in the chat that I just wanted to speak on is someone mentioned they didn't like Jackson Crawford's translation of the Halbamal

00:49:01.660 because it sounds too american if i read that right um and i i kind of get what you mean

00:49:09.340 he uh so first he's not also true and he thinks it's kind of silly superstition and he has a

00:49:14.860 right to think that uh you know you can assume what my what issues i would take with his stance

00:49:21.740 on it right but beyond that yeah he um i think it's the album all specifically that he has a

00:49:28.940 version that's it's called like the cowboys have them all or something uh the novelty of it sounds

00:49:37.260 cool but once you start reading it it's i don't know it and the translations as far as i can tell

00:49:46.580 aren't wrong per se but they lose a lot of the beauty to them and if you want to hear an american

00:49:53.460 and like just paraphrase and have them all stanzas to you and not have it sound as nice

00:50:00.740 I'm right here you know I you can email me I'll do that all day I've done it on here

00:50:06.800 plenty of times um I'll probably do it later in this episode you know uh that's so yeah just so

00:50:14.940 you know if whoever it was that said that I forget the name of the user but you're not alone in that

00:50:20.660 he sounds a little too i guess casual to me it's not i like the poetry of uh how our our texts are

00:50:29.660 written uh let me pull up oh no because people often conflate the two i actually think the cat

00:50:38.660 the cowboy hobble mall is awesome it's hilarious it's funny but it's not his that's not his

00:50:44.000 translation of the hobble mall he wrote he has this translation and it's completely without soul

00:50:49.820 without any merit or poeticness.

00:50:52.520 The Cowboy Hobbit Law, he specifically

00:50:54.180 wrote to be

00:50:56.140 different. It's

00:50:57.580 the cowboy version, not his

00:50:59.800 translation.

00:51:01.800 He did write the translation

00:51:03.400 too.

00:51:05.620 Cowboy version is just funny. 0.99

00:51:07.800 But yeah, his actual translation though, it sucks. 0.98

00:51:09.920 It's completely without soul. 0.98

00:51:11.920 Alright, fair enough.

00:51:13.840 That's one of the things...

00:51:14.780 Oh, sorry. Oh, go ahead.

00:51:16.920 That's one of the things about

00:51:18.180 related to this conversation the thing about translations um you know french to english

00:51:25.400 today or or but especially old translations you know you want to read a you know the song of roland

00:51:31.400 or beowulf or um you know the havamau or the alms viking saga all all these things that are you know

00:51:38.540 the aeneid you know all these things when you try to translate those ancient languages

00:51:45.740 into a modern language, be it English, German, Italian, whatever,

00:51:51.440 you're going to sacrifice, you can't help but sacrifice one of two things

00:51:56.960 in the translation.

00:51:58.820 You're either going to sacrifice the rhythm, cadence, sing-songyness

00:52:04.940 for accuracy, or you're going to sacrifice accuracy

00:52:09.900 to maintain the sing-songy cadence of the original poem

00:52:15.860 because you can't, you know, it just doesn't,

00:52:20.540 I was going to dazzle you with two or three words in old English

00:52:23.800 when my brain froze up on me.

00:52:25.440 But to try to say, you know, I sing by the sea with Sally,

00:52:30.040 but then try to say that and translate that directly to, you know,

00:52:34.460 something in Latin, you just can't do it.

00:52:37.660 you just you just can't do it because you're going to sacrifice the i'm repeating myself

00:52:42.700 as usual you're going to sacrifice the accuracy for the for the cadence of the poem and that

00:52:47.580 goes for the haba mal too that's why some people like some versions better than others because

00:52:53.820 of what i just said twice i'm not going to say it again right uh so my next question for you was

00:53:01.180 is are you closer to one or more of our gods than the others?

00:53:05.080 And if so, I assume so at some point. 0.94

00:53:08.720 How have your relationships with the Iseer changed over your long time in loyalty to them?

00:53:15.580 When I first come around, most people chose a patron, god or goddess.

00:53:26.640 Full trury was a word often used.

00:53:29.240 and uh oftentimes it was a god or goddess one of the ac that they were had a similar

00:53:39.860 perceived personality to you know big bear men would always be thorsmen you know

00:53:46.280 one dogs would always be phrase men you know and and not to be disrespectful but you know

00:53:51.180 you guys get the picture um you know young woman in their prime would be phrase women that type of

00:53:56.300 stuff and i think when i first came around i did feel a a a bit of a closeness to lord thor and i

00:54:08.220 think i'm not thor or thor-like character i'm you know i'm not a towering guy i'm

00:54:17.340 they call me a gnome for a reason you know i'm like five seven on a good day nowadays i think

00:54:21.500 i used to be five eight and a half when i would join the army but all that gear shrunk me um but

00:54:27.580 because he was the every man you know he was the every man he was a farmer there's the stories of

00:54:31.660 him you know the midgard serpent the ocean and and and uh i grew up on the ocean so those those

00:54:38.140 things spoke to me and uh and again that you gotta have a patron type of deal was a big deal so i

00:54:42.860 I felt close to Thor, Lord Thor, but as the years went on and I learned more, I started

00:54:55.720 to feel a pull, not away from Lord Thor, but a pull towards Lord Freire.

00:55:04.540 and as me and lily bought the place in new hampshire 20 something years ago 24 25 years ago

00:55:14.540 we did a lot of you know we kept sheep but one we still keep not chickens but you know

00:55:21.340 kept sheep uh would get when we did swine bloat we'd get the pig as early as possible

00:55:28.620 so it had weeks to spend here on the property um and would feed it and take care of it so it would

00:55:36.840 like be part of the property to to an extent before we were able to bloat it to the ace here

00:55:42.200 and uh so i started to feel pulled towards jing fray um as well and

00:55:48.920 but over the over the years that that's

00:55:53.700 that's i don't say theta but it's it's more it's it's back more to broadly a seer you know if i've

00:56:02.420 got to say a special you know um fondness for it would still be lord thor and lord fray but um

00:56:10.180 having them be dominant isn't there as as much as it may have been at one time in my life

00:56:18.660 okay yeah um i figured your answer would be something like that a lot of the um

00:56:27.700 a lot of the people who are what you know serious about this and have been doing it long enough they

00:56:32.840 especially the men it's always well first thor and then and then a different one of the ice here

00:56:38.700 and now it's just all of them so i yeah i definitely get that um do you have specific

00:56:45.400 daily rituals or devotionals to sort of keep you living a house of truth?

00:56:56.540 I think my devotional is doing the AFA work, to be honest.

00:57:01.400 I know some guys do the, guys and girls do the hail the day, hail the sun.

00:57:08.720 I've never, I've never done that.

00:57:11.460 Um, my, my favorite form type of praying, I mean, outside of bloat is, um, is deeds.

00:57:24.240 Um, when I'm, I'm, I'm doing something with the ACR in mind, um, those deeds to me are a type of

00:57:34.200 prayer you know like i put a um lilly and i built the we call a bloat house it's like a like a

00:57:42.440 family chapel right bloat house 16 by 24 it's on blocks uh i used chicken coop technology at the

00:57:49.880 time i'd love to tear it down and redo it because i'm embarrassed that you know the job i did at

00:57:55.080 the time you know i didn't really know a lot about building and um but we have a bloat house we call

00:58:01.000 the bloat house we call it ingsley hall in fray lay is like a grove so ings grove hall um and we'll

00:58:07.400 have stumble down there and and uh we built it in 2004 and um a fun fact not so fun we almost tore

00:58:16.040 it down um before i joined the afa because we're like we don't use it it's sitting here sitting

00:58:22.520 here we don't use it and uh then joined the afa and it was like uh it was like drinking an energy

00:58:28.920 drink you know not that i know how that feels but you know it just it just wow it's alive again you

00:58:34.040 know so i it was um i tore the steps off the front of it and now i have a deck there not a huge deck

00:58:40.440 it's like like four by six and then a few steps down with the railing and i'm building an overhang

00:58:45.800 on it so it's got like a little foyer a little bump out um but when i'm doing that that's kind

00:58:50.920 of one of my favorite types of prayer because i'm doing work for the ace here and um

00:58:58.920 Yeah, so that's kind of my big thing is doing AFA work, you know, being engaged, because I know I'm advancing, hopefully I'm advancing the ACS fame and our folks' health by working for the AFA and just doing stuff, you know, like casting something in cement that's ACA related or whatever the feed is, yeah.

00:59:20.740 yeah okay um so once again you kind of anticipated my next question on accident i think i was going

00:59:30.880 to ask about your famous meat hall uh you have i don't know if that's the same thing as uh

00:59:36.720 the bloat house and i've seen it is okay it is yeah i i was gonna say you know can you tell

00:59:44.800 more about that but uh i don't know if there is more to tell or just i don't know we've had

00:59:51.280 we've there's been a lot of a lot of we just call it symbol you know and that's the thing about

00:59:56.800 if people might not know anglo-saxon

01:00:03.440 swedish danish gothic frankish you know it's all

01:00:08.240 i like to say it's all the the same big religion it's like the meat and potatoes are the same

01:00:17.100 between every single one of them uh but the germans they put they put mushrooms in their

01:00:22.860 brown gravy oh the english they just put gravy with some baked beans on the side the swedes they

01:00:29.100 put a little bit of loot fish on it you know so but it's all the so the terminology informs each

01:00:34.920 other like there are times that we don't have a a term in old norse for example but you might be

01:00:42.360 able to find a cognate in gothic or a cognate in danish so um i like to bring that out there like

01:00:49.340 how do you reconcile being anglo-saxon in a norse world right and in uh and it's as simple as that

01:00:59.520 It's the same religion. Odin, Woden, Wotan, you know. Thor, Thunar, Thunaras. It's the same names, just different accents or different, you know, you say car, I say car. It's the same word. It's the same thing. Really, right? And I like to express that to people.

01:01:21.780 And so back to what I was saying, how to be Anglo-Saxon in the Norse world, it's easy. 0.66

01:01:27.380 It's easy.

01:01:28.200 It's no harm.

01:01:28.880 When the Danes in England, when they settled, you know, they kept raiding and raiding and bigger, the great army and Alfred and all that stuff going on.

01:01:41.200 If that spark of an interest, definitely look that time period up.

01:01:44.700 It's amazing.

01:01:46.480 The rulers of England were, you know, Christian. 0.88

01:01:50.720 the generic folk outside of the centers of power,

01:01:57.060 be it a burg or a town where the Kingsmen were normally Christian at best. 0.60

01:02:03.540 So when the Danes were able to establish themselves in England

01:02:07.360 and Alfred had to make peace with them, they stopped raiding.

01:02:13.140 There's so many, and I can't give you a number, 0.98

01:02:16.940 But so many of the English people, apostate, I don't know if that's the proper word, 0.94

01:02:23.780 but they went back and started worshiping with the Danes who came in. 0.58

01:02:29.780 And I know there was some forcing to go through them to take a Christian, blah, blah, blah. 0.96

01:02:33.420 We know that. 0.96

01:02:34.060 But the regular guys.

01:02:35.460 And so, so many people crossed back over or were able to worship again.

01:02:42.140 But now they had that, I don't want to say institutional power again,

01:02:45.880 But it was more there as opposed to what it was before.

01:02:48.760 And one of the reasons I say that is Bishop Wolfgar, I think it was,

01:02:54.540 10 hundreds, I think he was writing.

01:02:57.100 Might have been nine hundreds, well, after the Danelaw was established.

01:02:59.980 He's writing about, he's whining about the things that, oh,

01:03:03.960 the people, what the people are doing in English.

01:03:05.840 And he specifically uses English language.

01:03:09.800 He doesn't say, oh, they're worshiping or they're praying to Valkyries.

01:03:15.100 he uses the english term for valkyries which indicates the people the people there were

01:03:21.580 were the english people they had gone back to the old worship as well so being an anglo-saxon

01:03:28.240 in an old norse world and ask your folk assembly it's easy it's just easy it's almost like you're

01:03:36.360 allowed to be to you're allowed to be be yourself and express it more and i feel that didn't come

01:03:41.620 outright but i think people get get get the drift to what i'm trying to get at yeah for sure there's

01:03:49.940 there's also um some evidence that uh when the anglo-saxons arrived in britain and what would

01:03:57.220 become england that uh you know the celts that did remain the britons uh many of them were buried

01:04:05.380 in an alsatru style not uh a christian style meaning some of the celts would have uh married

01:04:12.100 into saxon families and then began worshiping woden you know othen uh and presumably because

01:04:20.980 it was you know close enough to uh their celtic paganism that they had already sort of started

01:04:29.060 reverting to after the romans left and i mean i mean you can speculate on why that may be the

01:04:35.380 reason that may have just been a social thing it may have been different reasons for different

01:04:39.060 uh regions of the soon-to-be kingdom but yeah it uh it is interesting it um

01:04:48.260 i think people only have a hard time being some flavor of germanic other than old norse

01:04:54.260 and have a hard time practicing also true as with you know old norse the liturgical language if um

01:05:03.380 if if they kind of

01:05:12.340 uh warns us about

01:05:16.820 but keeping yourself awake at night and stopping yourself from uh achieving things and uh as i

01:05:23.860 mentioned there you go there's my bad paraphrasing of a hobomol stanza um but yeah as far as to

01:05:31.620 something the law speaker said about how the germanic people are related i remember uh back

01:05:36.740 in the facebook days when i and the afa were still allowed on facebook i had done a dna test

01:05:44.180 for the first time when i was like 19 or 20 or so and i was like oh look i'm this much english and

01:05:49.940 dutch and german a little bit of swedish whatever and uh the law speaker commented on the post i

01:05:58.820 made or whatever and he was like so island german mainland german swamp german and way up north

01:06:07.140 north icy german got it and like that's silly but it's that's that's reality the germanic people

01:06:15.460 spread far and wide even the celts themselves originally came from what's now

01:06:19.540 germanic lands uh not that they would like to be called german but

01:06:25.700 yeah um that's what some of the like some of the guys some of the guys get too hung up on uh

01:06:30.580 oh well i'm uh i'm i'm thinking slavic i'm yeah they're not mocking those people well

01:06:37.300 the guys get too hung up on i might mock a little bit but you know like oh i'm from uh i'm from

01:06:42.100 belarus what do i have to do with asaturo and and if and if you've got a

01:06:51.060 if you want to get a connection beyond just being european men and women the far-flung children of

01:06:58.580 europe right if you look anywhere in europe the germ one of the many germanic tribes during the

01:07:07.220 wanderings pass through your area. You may have to go back to 400 to find it, or 700 to find it.

01:07:15.700 But the Visigoths went all over, and they were going to bring Spain, and the Vandals into North 0.98

01:07:22.980 Africa, and then they got dispersed into Constantinople, and the Ostrogoths went down 0.99

01:07:28.820 the east, and they're the ones who kind of gave the death blow to Rome, and they were there forever. 0.96

01:07:35.380 and then the Franks come down with Germanics. Franks come down from France and they took out 0.98

01:07:40.420 the Ostrogoths. But where do those people go? They don't just all evaporate. They're still there. 0.99

01:07:45.220 The children are there. And then the Lombards come down, the Longbeards, the Winili, right, 0.98

01:07:52.020 with Odin. Who are these Longbeards? And Fergus says, oh, so you have named them, 0.84

01:07:57.140 so you shall grant them victory. So they made it down to Italy and the Lombardies,

01:08:01.540 still northern italy and then the lombards lasted as a kingdom in southern italy till like the 11 10 0.96

01:08:08.180 11 hundreds and they were finally crushed by who the normans so and you can you can talk you can

01:08:15.380 find pretty much what they still spoke i think a version of gothic in the crimea until the i think

01:08:22.500 the 1700s 1800s chris would be able to tell us 1700s i'm pretty sure yeah chris will know so if

01:08:30.260 if you if you want to european is european but if you if you you're intent on finding a

01:08:38.820 german connection it's not hard to to broadly find that by looking at our people's history

01:08:45.460 you know so yeah they call uh don't get hung up on that you know right you're a european man

01:08:53.700 a woman you belong with us they call scandinavia the womb of nations for a reason you look at any

01:08:59.780 of the fathers or the great nations of europe they are either germanic or they have a good

01:09:07.620 bit of germanic influence that made them that way yeah or lineage to it somewhere yeah oh yeah

01:09:15.140 italy norman italy later on i mean germanic uh and then of course you know there's the celtic

01:09:21.380 underneath which is just a cousin of the germanic people is european is european as you said um

01:09:29.780 we got a good bit of questions because everybody was excited to have Ron on

01:09:33.200 the show. So I'll try to make short answers.

01:09:37.700 You do whatever you need to do. I took some PCO off work,

01:09:41.340 so I don't need to be up early. Well,

01:09:43.020 my son's going to be up early anyway, but you know, from Caleb,

01:09:48.720 do you think defending Alcatru on social media is a positive thing?

01:09:52.280 Do you think people can be swayed through online discourse? What say you,

01:09:56.560 run i say defend the nasa true is always the right thing to do um how deep you need to go into it um

01:10:04.240 you don't i don't unless unless you've got that talent or that stamina or that that that drive

01:10:14.840 man a simple that's hogwash you know that's hogwash asa true isn't like that at all

01:10:21.140 asa true is a family religion that's that that can be that can be enough but if you if you've

01:10:26.300 the energy to spend all night going back and forth in a in a reasonable fashion i i you really do

01:10:34.380 catch more flies with honey than you do with with vinegar and and i think being well spoken being

01:10:42.140 direct um being declarative you know no no no wiggle room for them to kind of get a toehold on 0.98

01:10:49.420 yeah and if they're being if they're being uh if they're being jerks let it go there's no

01:10:57.500 reading engaging they're just trying to be trolls so i think it's definitely worth worth doing it's 0.51

01:11:02.620 definitely worth doing but only put as much energy into it as you want unless you're that special guy

01:11:07.820 who can go all day long about this type of stuff right um before i give my answer uh we joked that

01:11:15.740 folk builder chris savage would hear this and come swooping in with the answer he messaged me on

01:11:21.180 microsoft teams to say that late 1700s in creme there were still gothic speakers by the 1800s

01:11:28.140 no speakers could be found so speak of the savage uh yeah it's it's always positive to

01:11:36.300 defend austral on social media i would argue that if you are sincerely devoted to the icer it's

01:11:41.980 It's it is a duty you have. And like Ron said, you know, there's a there's an extent at some point you're being trolled or just you're not going to convince somebody or whatever.

01:11:55.000 And, you know, the Allfather himself says never spend time wasting words, arguing with a fool. 0.99

01:12:01.240 And I did it again. Have them all paraphrasing thing. But you get the idea. 0.99

01:12:06.440 Yeah, absolutely. It's always good. Our gods and our heritage.

01:12:11.380 If you guys are on X in the chat, if you guys are, oh, listen,

01:12:15.420 if you're on X and you're not following us from Folk Assembly,

01:12:19.220 please follow us.

01:12:21.000 And when you see stuff you like that we put out there,

01:12:23.660 which would be pretty much almost everything, definitely give it a like.

01:12:26.360 That really helps our reach.

01:12:28.080 That really does help our reach quite a bit.

01:12:29.880 And it's one of our ways we're able to help our people because coming to AFA

01:12:34.440 does demonstrably help people.

01:12:38.600 Absolutely.

01:12:40.440 Yeah, do I think people can be swayed through online discourse? I don't think it happens as often as we'd like, but yes. I've seen it happen a few times, not nearly as much as I'd like, but it can happen.

01:12:53.200 another from caleb if someone is attending the services of a different religion but feel drawn

01:13:00.480 to alsatru can they join or attend afa events is it common to receive inquiries from people

01:13:06.220 currently identifying with a different faith but growing increasingly distant to it for example

01:13:11.420 a catholic feels drawn to alsatru but still attends catholic mass

01:13:15.000 um so if you're still attending catholic mass you cannot be a member of the afa because

01:13:22.100 one of the requirements of membership is that you be Alcatru. But we have had Christians who are

01:13:29.880 questioning their faith and they want to see what Alcatru is like. And we let them be a guest and

01:13:36.240 they can attend some things and not others. You know, we have, we do our background check because

01:13:41.500 we do want any guest or member, things like that. So you could attend things, you know,

01:13:48.480 if you are a christian that feels that the abrahamic god is not for you which you know if

01:13:55.520 you're eligible for afa membership otherwise then you know he's not so good on you um but yeah shoot

01:14:01.460 an email to gothar runestone.org or submit an inquiry on any of the websites things like that

01:14:06.720 and we'll figure something out for you um i and we've had people that do that and they show up to

01:14:15.700 We had someone go to Baldursoff, I think it was, and they decided, like, okay, I was correct.

01:14:21.700 Question Christianity. 0.97

01:14:22.900 This is where I need to be, and they stuck with us. 0.82

01:14:26.520 We've had people do the opposite, unfortunately.

01:14:28.920 They'll, you know, come to a hoff, and then their Christian guilt will kind of kick in.

01:14:35.240 They think, oh, I'm going to hell, Christian hell, for this. 0.63

01:14:38.820 Jesus is going to be pretty upset.

01:14:40.640 I better not do this ever again.

01:14:42.460 And for what it's worth, they never have a reason other than Jesus will be upset before they go back.

01:14:49.160 So I think that's still a point in our favor to an extent.

01:14:53.240 Yeah, but what's the worst that really happens for the Osteofolk Assembly when these people ghost us?

01:14:59.720 Somebody shows up, sees we're having a good time, a bunch of normal, healthy, happy, pious people.

01:15:07.580 where some of the ACA would at least it's good at least it's a good bit of PR in some way you

01:15:14.960 never know what they say to somebody in two years oh yeah I met those dudes they're all right you

01:15:19.440 should go visit with your interest of that you know you never you never know yeah I don't think

01:15:23.380 we've had somebody show up and then decide to stick with Jeebus but have like awful things to

01:15:29.180 say about us I know we've had people show up and they they just cannot bridge the gap I guess 0.96

01:15:37.420 to all the way to actually believing in or worshiping the Iser.

01:15:41.780 And that's sad, and that needs to be fixed, of course.

01:15:44.620 But they say, oh, my gosh, I just love the culture here.

01:15:48.120 This is so much more devoted than my church, et cetera, et cetera.

01:15:52.660 The people are great.

01:15:53.640 I would love to get people's phone numbers and just be friends or whatever.

01:15:56.980 That happens often enough that it's, you know, there's something there, right?

01:16:03.800 I think it certainly means something.

01:16:06.760 And, of course, that's by design. 0.98

01:16:10.540 Even when they can't make their rational mind connect with the Aesir, they still feel in here that this is where they belong. 0.97

01:16:21.000 And, like I said, they can't quite bridge that gap with something very deep and very – I don't know if primal is the right word, but you get what I mean. 0.96

01:16:29.680 Something subconscious connects them to us.

01:16:32.960 I would use that word, too.

01:16:34.940 Yeah, I'd use that word, too, primal.

01:16:36.760 uh a third question from caleb because he's trying to keep ron up all night

01:16:44.040 uh if you had to take an educated guess what is the ratio of people who join the afa with belief

01:16:50.180 in the ice here versus those who want to believe but don't just yet uh as one of our star folk

01:16:56.380 builders ron what what do you think well he asked my educated opinion and that's not going to happen

01:17:02.800 at all but i would i would imagine i would imagine from the time time and service i've had here well

01:17:12.640 in the afa most people come in at least in new england my experience and what i see online and

01:17:23.040 in in that sort of thing most people come in with an actual belief in the acr first

01:17:28.320 With that said, their spouses, a lot of times I see the spouses having an interest,

01:17:38.380 at least an interest because of their, you know, the person their affection is interested in.

01:17:43.740 They have an interest as well, a light.

01:17:45.760 But when they come in and they see it happening in real life, those ones tend to come along too.

01:17:53.020 So I would say most people join straight up off the street.

01:17:59.060 They've already got a belief in the Aesir, and they want to worship the Aesir with us.

01:18:03.620 But I would say spouses, significant others, that sort of thing.

01:18:07.140 I see a lot that come on board after they see Ossachoo in action.

01:18:18.360 Yeah, that's my experience as well.

01:18:20.700 um my wife was like that you know she just was uh not a fan of christianity um in the

01:18:30.340 conservative way rather than the liberal way thankfully and uh you know when she saw i was

01:18:36.320 very religious and something other than christianity she was like well i'll give that a try

01:18:40.620 and it uh took going to a couple of bloat but i you know here she is so and i get the heather

01:18:48.580 young in south carolina she always says that uh you know speckinger daniel young her husband

01:18:54.900 he and uh their daughter started out going to oust true things together at first because they

01:18:59.940 were both interested in it and heather githya heather was a little more apprehensive but then

01:19:05.540 like pulling out of the driveway of her first uh austro event i think it was an afa event yeah it

01:19:12.180 had yeah pulling out of the driveway of her first afa event she's already pulling up the application

01:19:16.900 on her phone to join so it sometimes that's all it takes is and you know the ulcerative says that

01:19:23.540 probably every episode sometimes multiple times an episode uh that leap from the couch to the

01:19:29.220 door is the hardest step you'll take but it's also the most valuable um so yeah i would say that's

01:19:38.020 definitely and we do have some members that become members and they like make it real clear they're

01:19:45.540 they're like i don't know if i believe in this yet i'm just giving it a shot which i'm not knocking

01:19:49.440 that by the way but um that's becoming increasingly rare and that's a good thing you know of course we

01:19:57.580 the more you believe in the ice here the better of course um i was kind of like that a little bit

01:20:04.800 i really wanted to believe and i think speckinger erickson was as well we both kind of wanted to

01:20:11.420 believe and then we get to a blow and we're like okay oh good this is real you know i wasn't

01:20:15.560 being silly so yeah it happens but it's rare most of us seem to come here already believing or

01:20:23.220 something very close to believing yeah which i'm very thankful for i think it's 0.53

01:20:29.540 really clear that the eyes here are with us and they're waking our folk up as quick as they can

01:20:35.120 uh a question for or from selene specifically is for speckinger's fawn and nick says he'll

01:20:45.840 have the altera go with the ask it next week but we can answer too she asks is there a significance

01:20:51.040 to uh hell's dead side of her face being on the left and the living side on the right i have a

01:20:57.160 tattoo of her that is a mirror image of her by accident because at the time i didn't know any

01:21:00.800 better now i'm very curious about it thanks um what do you think ron i'm not aware of any

01:21:07.040 reasoning for it no i don't i don't remember being left and right i thought it was upper

01:21:14.080 and lower i thought of like above the wood like the upper part of it was

01:21:21.520 normalish and the bottom part of it was more corpse-ish like he said normal it's the normal

01:21:28.240 yeah normal normal dead normal dead lady dead dead lady i don't know that's the same the way i i

01:21:37.120 yeah i can't i don't know for certain so i i gotta wait for uh specking or spawn myself unless you

01:21:48.640 i don't know that i don't want to say there's no significance to it i would imagine there is if it

01:21:55.040 It was clearly denoted.

01:21:57.560 I remember it being a left and right side of her face thing,

01:22:00.820 but I genuinely cannot recall if that's something I read in the Eddas

01:22:05.620 or if that's some kind of just popular characterization of her,

01:22:10.620 sort of like that famous painting of Thor where he's blonde, you know,

01:22:15.380 where it just felt right to the artist.

01:22:18.140 I'm not sure, and I wish I had a better answer for you on that one,

01:22:22.840 but i don't speckinger spawn will even if it's the same conclusion it'll have a more roundabout

01:22:31.960 and articulate way of getting there that'll be more enjoyable there's a there's a book that

01:22:37.660 i'll shot goldie recommended to a few of us related to this uh ancient ancestors saw the dead is is

01:22:44.480 it seemed to be the way we see dead with ghosts and stuff now and you recommended

01:22:50.740 this book can you read it it's backward but it's like the return of the dead god's ancestors in the

01:22:58.900 trying to read back a transparent veil of the pagan mind by some french dude claude

01:23:06.700 the couteau yeah if this might help inform some of those things too because they saw the dead

01:23:15.580 is very different not being separate from us um but not being alive not being alive like us in

01:23:20.900 our sense but they're very corporal too so i mean that might be an interesting book selene or whoever

01:23:25.580 else is listening and into that the guy uses quite a bit old norse um there's also the oft

01:23:32.740 recommended road to hell by h.r ellis davidson

01:23:35.900 yeah that it's been a long time since i've read that that might be where that

01:23:46.060 kind of mental picture of her being half no i i'm pretty sure it's half half vertically like you

01:23:54.440 go to the respect of your east but i'm looking for the source bear with me it might take me a

01:23:59.180 while if you want to come back with that we'll certainly welcome that um good question celine

01:24:04.920 yeah yeah absolutely uh we move on to the next one also from saline i have one more question

01:24:10.840 that i almost forgot can we learn more about the faith like fae i know this question has been

01:24:15.720 brought up a couple of times but i'm still not quite understanding all hi all i have ever heard

01:24:20.680 about them is that they are bad my middle name is fae f-a-y-e so it means something more personal

01:24:25.960 to me thank you um i guess i'll give my thoughts real quick and then let ron take a whack at it

01:24:32.520 as well uh as far as i can tell if i had to put them in a germanic context it sounds like elves

01:24:40.120 or alfar or land whites kind of in the way that our saxon ancestors viewed the elves there were um

01:24:49.000 elves like the alpha like the honored ancestors or kings or whatever but there were also

01:24:53.880 well they call them elves that were almost like malignant land whites i think i forget

01:25:05.800 there's a reference to something called elf shot among the anglo-saxon corpus of lore and i forget

01:25:11.320 what it is exactly but it's some sort of like sickness related thing and ron may know better

01:25:16.680 which is why i'll pass the the stick to him here in a minute but yeah if just uh my educated guess

01:25:26.360 as it were is just that they're um some flavor of land veteer uh what do you think ron i i agree i

01:25:33.560 agree with what what you're saying i i don't the the fade the the land veteer um they're not

01:25:41.720 inherently good or inherently bad they inherently are and some of them some of them can be more

01:25:50.280 demanding if you're in their neighborhood and some can be more um let's say beneficial it can be more

01:25:59.000 uh it can be more easily swayed to help you like i would put me ron personally i would put gnomes

01:26:10.520 thomptons um cobalts all those things i would kind of lump under the generic term the fae or

01:26:21.880 saying land spirits i think it's accurate but it's not all-encompassing either you know land

01:26:26.760 but here um it's not all-encompassing either i mean you can say they're the lambert here because

01:26:30.840 they live in the land or they they live in that stone but if you pass by that stone without

01:26:35.800 leaving a penny they might get ripped at you and cause your horse to get sick or go lame halfway

01:26:42.120 the way you're going but if you put that penny there you know they may be able to friggin excuse

01:26:47.640 me they may be able to um they may be able to send some luckier away where that that crow makes a

01:26:53.080 racket and that shrub over there and you look and you see a couple bandits you know so i don't think

01:26:58.040 they're inherently good or bad and maybe some attach to families um like a field gear that sort

01:27:03.880 of thing may be more beneficial to your family but i don't think they're inherently good or bad

01:27:08.680 um it is kind of a gift for a gift you know what you give them they give back

01:27:13.640 um in some sense so i don't know if that answers your question celine i hope it

01:27:18.360 brought a little more clarity saying they're bad i think it's just i think that's later later

01:27:25.240 christian um layering on on tails to separate us from the land and separate us from the

01:27:33.400 ancestors because if all these spooky things are bad well you're not going to want to go out 0.64

01:27:39.320 you're not going to want to go out on hallows or you're not going to want to go out and leave an

01:27:42.120 offering for yule you know you're going to like the grimm's talked about um the brothers grimm

01:27:48.760 the one you were all familiar with but the grimm's put a great series teutonic religion i think one

01:27:54.920 two three four five five books and they tore through all kinds of folklore in germany uh in

01:28:01.560 surrounding areas in the 1800s and and they talk about the farmers even then were leaving the the

01:28:08.680 last sheaf or two of corn and not american indian corn but corn is broadly wheat grain they leave

01:28:15.160 that standing for slept near so if you think all these things out there are evil and bad you're

01:28:21.720 not gonna leave that sheaf of wheat or corn standing for slept near so you're severing that

01:28:28.680 connection you know you're serving that normal oh you can't say hail thor when uh when it thunders

01:28:34.200 because that's evil that's bad well then you're bringing the lord thor out of your your

01:28:39.960 day not daily your your frequent um uh world world uh mindset when you get the thun summer

01:28:47.080 thunderstorm so i think that saying that oh the fae are bad i think that's just

01:28:54.200 it's it's just an it's i'll say propaganda but it's a type of property it wasn't it was a type

01:28:58.440 of propaganda oh for sure um yeah and you know like you said there's are literally all of them

01:29:07.720 good no probably not are literally all of them bad certainly not uh and yeah you mentioned the

01:29:13.640 thing about uh you know you say hail thor and they're like no don't do that it similarly you

01:29:19.000 know they would they call uh woden or odin i think it was uh the devil they'd say he was the king of

01:29:27.720 of the barbarians uh and i know lots of us in these circles think barbarians are cool so that

01:29:32.560 doesn't have the same negative connotation they have to our ancestors that looked back to a

01:29:37.060 greco-roman past but uh all these horrible things they would say about him and you know the all

01:29:44.220 father is he has his fury and he has his he is a god of war of course uh but he's not the devil

01:29:52.900 um but if you think he is and you believe in jesus well then you're going to want to stay

01:29:58.580 away of course and as you would if you truly believed in jesus right so yeah a lot of these

01:30:04.720 things are propaganda it's often uh very thinly veiled not very good propaganda thankfully um

01:30:14.980 so at least there's that uh let's see next question to butt in before you did that

01:30:22.360 um so i found i found the source but i also wanted to say also the fey and the vetir can

01:30:28.380 sometimes be seen as like tricksy or playing tricks stealing your keys blah blah blah blah

01:30:35.180 sometimes i think it's just to remind you to pay the heck of attention and take care of your

01:30:39.060 surroundings a little bit better so it's like gentle nudging um but also in regards to hell 0.90

01:30:45.540 it's specifically from the and why did i just close out of that tab like an idiot um so it is

01:30:53.380 from the gil fagging uh or the gil forgetting i always mispronounce that uh chapter 34 when it's

01:31:01.480 just when it's listing the children of the kinslayer um the only thing it says though is 0.89

01:31:07.500 she is half blue black and half flesh color by which she is easily recognized and very lowering 0.91

01:31:13.840 and fierce um that's really the only time it's mentioned in the lore her actual 1.00

01:31:18.880 complexion just says half blue black and half flesh colored and i i've never seen the top

01:31:26.860 bottom thing that rod's describing that one's new to me i just go left and right but i've never

01:31:32.800 actually paid attention to which side was which i'm sure there's some left hand path people

01:31:42.880 concerned with thing

01:31:44.820 that have a

01:31:46.880 preference or reasoning

01:31:48.580 that they think? I don't

01:31:50.740 know. Spectrum respond super

01:31:52.780 intuitive on that sort of thing. So let's

01:31:54.860 hear him next week or yeah, next week.

01:31:57.420 Yeah, absolutely.

01:31:59.440 If it was written down

01:32:00.880 that one side is one and the other

01:32:02.840 side is the other, then there is a reason

01:32:04.700 for it somewhere. We may not

01:32:06.780 have access to it. That's always a possibility.

01:32:09.100 But if it's specified, there's a reason

01:32:11.040 for it.

01:32:11.520 um and if anybody knows it'll be specklinger spawn so again i apologize that we don't have

01:32:17.860 the answer but uh great question for what it's worth uh nick from new hampshire i was hoping

01:32:24.760 to get a question for uh oh i'm in trouble it maybe he said what's the story behind the black

01:32:31.000 gnome sir it's called the gnome of color now

01:32:39.880 because the guy the guy's like a rag on me because i'm short and they call me a gnome

01:32:43.480 gnome supremacy um but it's it's well taken and well intended i think but i do have a fondness

01:32:50.120 for gnomes anyways but there was a picture i think it was winter nights just just past winter nights

01:32:58.280 we had up here and uh and the the group pics are all we're all up there and uh and then they got

01:33:07.960 posted on x and what this one random dude actually this ties into with engaging people on x if they

01:33:18.520 the guy goes looks at the picture and he goes why do you guys have a black guy there and it

01:33:24.360 And all she'll go, he's like, I have no idea who you're talking about.

01:33:29.300 And Nick finds me and blows up the picture.

01:33:33.460 And you can see I'm a little bit, the inside of my, I'm in the sun all the time.

01:33:39.500 So, you know, nice and light there.

01:33:41.500 But then you go to the other side, a little tanned.

01:33:43.160 So I'm always tanned.

01:33:44.680 And the older I get, the more permanent weathered I am.

01:33:48.180 But so it was me.

01:33:49.540 It was me.

01:33:50.420 And the guy, so this guy thought I was black.

01:33:52.680 and uh and so so they just started calling me a black gnome and uh it's spun off from there

01:34:00.060 they'll make memes about me and and uh i probably shouldn't explain too much more about that because

01:34:07.380 i don't want to like oh you guys are mean but they'll make fun of me and uh we do these little

01:34:15.860 AIs of, you know, me and like as a little black dude in a gnome costume.

01:34:20.340 And it's, I don't, it is funny.

01:34:24.560 These guys, these guys around here are clever.

01:34:27.260 And, but I, that guy, I kind of talked to him a little bit offline and we didn't become besties or anything, but a guy who was kind of touchy, like, oh, what's that?

01:34:36.660 We kind of, there's no hatchet to bury, but we kind of buried the hatchet and then I left it on a good note.

01:34:43.160 So definitely engage people if they call you a black gnome.

01:34:45.860 and uh thanks nick

01:34:51.940 yeah there's we get funny questions online and cameras camera angles can make really

01:34:59.380 silly stuff happen uh we had something like that the lighting at your talk used to be uh

01:35:06.100 more yellow i guess and then someone took this picture of all of us sitting down to uh

01:35:12.500 eat dinner at visa thing 20 23 maybe 24 somewhere in there so it's a big group of people and uh

01:35:22.740 one of our regular members great guy uh so he works on a boat or he did at the time so he was

01:35:28.500 very tan he was clearly white he's like north german right very very white but he got tan from

01:35:36.500 working on the boat so he's kind of tan at this time and uh he just has like medium to light brown

01:35:42.260 hair but this yellow lighting in the hof uh which we've fixed since uh and then just taking on an

01:35:49.780 android i'm an apple supremacist uh but it was taking on an android camera and not one of the

01:35:55.300 good ones not like the google pixel six million or whatever it was you know a samsung something

01:36:01.700 and so it just it really made him look like this tall black guy with like long dreads or something

01:36:11.060 such low quality and people were saying hey you have this huge black guy right in the middle of

01:36:15.700 this feast you know what's that about and i i had to yeah kind of what you did with your guy i had

01:36:21.700 to message him on the side and go that guy's not black and i asked this member for permission

01:36:26.740 before sharing a better picture of him with the guy and he said it was fine so i was like this

01:36:31.060 is the same guy you can see the resemblance here's him working on a boat also being really tan

01:36:36.500 here's him just at the hawk in better lighting he's white he's just sunburned to hell and back

01:36:43.060 but yeah yeah yeah western hunter gatherer complexion yeah he's just got that old european

01:36:50.900 style going on oh let's see got a couple donations i want to thank people for real quick uh ronald

01:37:03.380 blake donated 50 to our south africa fund thank you very much um for those of you that don't know

01:37:10.420 we donate to a south african charity the one we donate to now i believe helps feed families

01:37:18.340 uh i could be mistaken there was one that helped them get fencing for their properties

01:37:24.380 uh yeah please if you have money to spare just burning a hole in your pocket in this economy

01:37:33.060 somehow please uh feel free to donate to our south african brothers and sisters they they

01:37:38.100 need it i know things aren't always great here in uh you know this part of the anglosphere but

01:37:44.800 they're much worse for a folk in south africa uh stephen in japan donated ten dollars to

01:37:52.480 the phraseoff fund and five dollars to balder soft steeple thank you very much both very important

01:38:00.000 uh let me get back to the question there so we got this little side chat thing where nick logs

01:38:07.280 all the questions and donations for us i'm having to navigate it because i try to prioritize the

01:38:12.000 donations i'm having to play backtrack if i try to read it i'll be up i'll be up like this

01:38:17.440 i almost have to yeah uh apprentice folk builder jordan wardrobe up in canadia uh asks ron what

01:38:27.280 makes someone an anglo-saxon is anyone of english descent and anglo-saxon

01:38:34.240 of course the english blood you're an anglo-saxon

01:38:38.000 yeah uh that's yeah english comes from the angle part of anglo-saxon

01:38:45.020 anglo-saxon england there's no like super nuanced answer we can give the answer is just yes

01:38:52.520 but like you can explain it further and give you know fellow anglo-saxons a reason to stick

01:39:00.000 their chest out a bit i guess uh so yeah there was there's been a few recent dna studies uh

01:39:06.580 that show that the and uh tom rouse the guy from survive the jive put it best in a talk he did a

01:39:12.980 few years ago so the modern ethnic english are not as germanic as hangis and horsa and their men

01:39:21.460 stepping off the boat we're about 85 ish percent as germanic as they were but we are 100 as germanic

01:39:29.700 and saxon as the time period of like alfred the great middle to late saxon period so when you

01:39:37.320 think of the anglo-saxons you tend to think of them being already settled in what would become

01:39:41.380 england uh we are as anglo-saxon as them there was a i mentioned the dna studies one of the more

01:39:48.840 recent ones that came out they uh they said the modern english are kind of a three-way split

01:39:56.760 between with most of the dna it depends regionally but most of the dna in most regions being from

01:40:04.520 like the anglo-saxons northern germany southern denmark right and then the next bit being from

01:40:10.680 what they thought was french and that's kind of correct but it's sort of a frankish so germanic

01:40:17.000 uh like northern french frankish uh and like belgian they're belgic at the time tribes

01:40:26.760 And then the last bit, and depending on the region, like Cornwall or something, it's going to be reversed.

01:40:32.380 But the last bit being the Celtic Britons, the native natives of the British Isles.

01:40:39.080 And that admixture is what the Anglo-Saxon era of Englishmen were and what the current ethnic Englishmen are.

01:40:48.720 And again, it varies by region.

01:40:50.360 that i i encourage you to do some digging if you're english and look into what regions

01:40:55.160 your uh people are from because it's very fascinating and you can't forget the norman

01:40:59.720 influence um because the normans when they they come over they pretty much evicted all the 0.61

01:41:05.720 majority english royalty and uh the normans were just what they were they were danes who settled

01:41:12.120 in northern france and uh the french king probably louis at the time said please settle here but

01:41:18.280 stop raiding us you can have all this land but don't let any other vikings come down

01:41:22.600 and then the danes who settled the danelaw the eastern part of england so you get who were more

01:41:27.400 germans too you know more germanics too and uh which is interesting i don't want to go off i got

01:41:32.120 all this knowledge of useless stuff but south america in the south was settled by more southwestern

01:41:41.960 england right you know the murky uh london south new england you know the two great thrust of

01:41:49.720 settlement in america really in the english settlement and the north was settled north and

01:41:55.560 east of london you know york in the east anglia which would be the old dane law so the theory

01:42:04.840 goes or the saying goes is that's the root or that's the the the prime the the focal point the

01:42:11.560 beginning of the northern in america the north and south accent difference because south and west

01:42:19.160 never got settled by the danes that was still primarily you know west anglo-saxon you know

01:42:25.400 anglo-sax while north and east to sell new england had that danish influence which would affect the

01:42:31.480 the accent in some of the language used and that was the they say that's what the big split with

01:42:35.880 the american accent is between the north and the south which i find very interesting you know it's

01:42:40.120 like oh that makes sense yeah i've never heard that um why did we talk to them when you guys

01:42:44.680 talk funny well that that's why blame the vikings and the yeah the northerners in england uh yeah

01:42:52.520 oh that makes sense i you know as one might be able to deduce from my very clever surname my

01:42:58.520 My ancestors came from Eastern England, Kent, Essex, a little bit of Buckinghamshire, and

01:43:05.700 we came to Virginia initially and then kind of moved south and west, just depending on

01:43:10.420 the branch of the family.

01:43:11.900 What about you, Ron?

01:43:12.700 Where are yours?

01:43:14.080 You're north and east.

01:43:16.200 Oxfordshire.

01:43:16.920 I know Oxfordshire.

01:43:18.820 I know generally it is north and east because we come over on the, I got 13 Mayflower ancestors.

01:43:26.920 Oh, wow. 0.89

01:43:27.280 But the Boardmans come over in the mid-1630s.

01:43:30.540 There was a big, they call it the Winthrop Fleet, like 3,000 English families come over all within a couple of years.

01:43:36.340 We come over then, and we settled in like Ipswich, Mass., north of Boston.

01:43:41.200 And we stayed there and back and forth between New Hampshire and Massachusetts and, yeah, Oxfordshire.

01:43:49.300 And I used to know the name of one of the towns.

01:43:51.300 There's a cool tower in there, but I can't remember the specific towns anymore.

01:43:54.840 aware but it's mostly north and north and east of england you know yeah you mentioned ipswich

01:44:00.440 that's an east anglian town so it sounds like they probably came from east anglia at least that

01:44:04.920 specific family and what's cool is if you um look at a map anglo-saxon supremacy night sorry everybody

01:44:13.480 but if you look at a map of boston and of london you look not all of them and not an exact order

01:44:20.280 But you look north and east of London, you see towns like Beverly, Kingsland, Ipswich, Essex, East Saxons.

01:44:29.660 But then you go down to Boston and you follow the coastline up, you see Ipswich, Beverly, well, they don't call it Kingsland, just regular Lynn.

01:44:38.800 So you see a lot of the same correlating town names northeast of London, northeast of Boston as well.

01:44:45.580 And that just helps indicate that's where we come from, you know.

01:44:50.280 this is my neck of the woods yeah that's pretty cool i i didn't know until recently and i found

01:44:55.440 out from my own family tree deep diving uh boston is a town in lincolnshire or city probably kind

01:45:02.740 of port area

01:45:03.740 lost in port

01:45:15.260 a generation before leaving i don't know what caused them to move up there but i know they 0.69

01:45:23.880 left right around the time a bisexual scotsman became king of england we're out of here so

01:45:30.600 so uh apprentice folk builder angela garisi says not a question but just wanted to thank

01:45:42.140 ron and lily for opening their home to fellow afa members they're such wonderful folk i agree

01:45:47.140 i've met them a couple times in person always awesome uh for what it's worth angela is also

01:45:52.540 really awesome we uh she's very cool inside baseball i guess to a lot of the stuff we do

01:45:57.760 to keep like admin type things on uh among the afa running is we do what's called ops calls

01:46:02.880 operations it's doing things like sending out flyers for moots and emailing folks about what's

01:46:10.380 going on in their area things like that we do that pretty much every night at 8 p.m eastern and every

01:46:16.440 i run it on friday nights and every time i'm running it angela's always there always being

01:46:21.000 super helpful and making us laugh a little bit while we toil away uh so yeah big fan it's funny

01:46:28.680 as the other the other month we went down to ipswich i was talking it's which there was a

01:46:33.080 meteory down there so a few of us went down there it was crummy out rainy but we had a good time and

01:46:36.920 uh we're gonna go grab something to eat afterwards and we said we're gonna go found a place and uh

01:46:42.760 i grew up not too far from there and angela grew up not too far from there and another dude

01:46:47.320 robbie hey robbie he grew up not too far from there and uh then we had a transplant from texas

01:46:52.840 and and my wife from western mass but anyway so we said oh there's a clam shack we get fried fried

01:46:58.360 clams called woodman's and it's like oh my gosh let's go there we i used to go there with my

01:47:04.040 family growing up my grandparents my parents and uh then angel used to go there with her parents

01:47:10.040 and stuff and robbie the other guy used to go there with his parents when he was a kid

01:47:13.560 oh wow me and lily were first dating we used to go there a lot my family and and uh so it was just

01:47:19.480 really and you'll find this type of thing in the afa where you'll you you just come together in

01:47:24.680 these serendipity the right word like all of a sudden oh let's just go get clams and we all

01:47:29.960 happen to have this connection to this one place so it was very it was it was binding too to be

01:47:35.160 able to go share these shared stories that weren't that are just that aren't really connected outside

01:47:41.080 it you know and it's kind of cool and and just get a lot of old new england dinner too and

01:47:45.800 she i know she gets swedish and stuff but yeah it's good good sharing time with her she's a good

01:47:50.280 egg very dedicated well clams are disgusting i'm glad you guys had a good time regardless 0.99

01:47:58.440 no i haven't oh i'm going to try it let me try them okay what's up um let's see uh

01:48:07.720 uh robert e bailey says do you consider the eddas the also true bible or as a documentation of our

01:48:15.500 lore and religion um i would say the closest thing we have to a bible i guess the cop-out

01:48:24.720 answer would be to say any any lore we have at all but uh no i i would say the guilt beginning is

01:48:32.300 kind of the best laying out of all of our lore in the most compact way, I guess.

01:48:41.440 Some people would say the poetic Etta is the closest thing we have to a Bible, which

01:48:45.960 I get that. I understand why they say that. I don't disagree per se. What do you think, Ron? 0.98

01:48:54.540 I think they're important

01:48:57.600 religious texts, but I wouldn't say

01:48:59.620 I wouldn't say

01:49:01.920 a Bible 1.00

01:49:02.420 I wouldn't say a Bible

01:49:04.580 they're very important in the sense that they give a lot

01:49:07.660 of advice, they tell tales of

01:49:09.080 a holy Aesir 0.99

01:49:10.660 but that's

01:49:13.020 if you could

01:49:14.960 make an

01:49:16.780 ossitute Bible

01:49:17.800 those would be included

01:49:20.880 as chapters in it

01:49:22.700 but they're so

01:49:24.040 much other law that's relevant

01:49:25.960 that helps inform

01:49:27.540 Asitru today that you'd have to include

01:49:30.140 so I don't

01:49:30.740 I would say it would be part

01:49:33.920 of a bible it's just

01:49:35.740 it's hard to compare we don't have a bible

01:49:37.660 so much of what we do is just

01:49:39.460 tradition through

01:49:42.100 blood and worship 0.99

01:49:43.800 but the Eddas I think

01:49:46.220 would definitely be in some greater

01:49:48.200 compilation that would

01:49:49.360 how to be an Asitru

01:49:51.680 you know that would be part of it and there's so much more if you're looking for something like

01:49:57.240 that go over the roomstone.org and um in the library tab the true log smile read that true

01:50:05.980 log smile that's got so much good information in there and still not a bible but it's so much good

01:50:12.580 it's a great primer for us a true and dip into that if you haven't seen it yet everybody it's

01:50:17.240 really worth looking at yeah if if you're an older member and i i mean older in the sense

01:50:23.080 that you've been around in the afa specifically a while not long in the tooth per se um

01:50:29.320 what one of the things that the old rubinstone website used to have was something called an

01:50:34.440 aussitrew primer and it might still be there i don't know but i i don't think it is but it had

01:50:40.600 stuff like the declaration of purpose and all that and just kind of uh an introductory writing that

01:50:46.920 our founder Stephen McNallan had done and that was uh one of the things that hooked me in uh but

01:50:53.640 the Trulamall is that but much better uh and it is as Ron said it's like the ultimate Alcitru primer

01:51:02.680 um let's see next oh okay Angela donated 25 dollars each to the pavilion and the steeple

01:51:13.720 at Baldursoff and $50 to Frazhoff. Thank you, Angela. All right, Angela.

01:51:20.940 Next question is from VLHLL8. If you feel you're in a spiritual rut, what's the best course of

01:51:30.480 action? What say you, Ron? I'd say two things. Bloat, right? You don't have to do anything fancy,

01:51:38.780 but bloat. Have a meal. Have a second plate for the Aesir. Toast the Aesir. Bloat. I guess the

01:51:48.500 big thing, do something. Do something. And the second part of it, which is related to the first,

01:51:54.400 see other Asafu men and women. Get together with your folk. Get together with your folk and bloat

01:52:00.620 together. Even if it's nothing fancy about going out to dinner and say hello and clink, cheers.

01:52:07.060 it's do something get together the other australian do something

01:52:15.940 yeah and when you're waiting for the scheduled day of the event we're going to go meet up with

01:52:23.060 the other outsider and do something i recommend rereading the lore reread through the guild

01:52:28.340 forgetting the poetic edda the loose bow the halbamal um i've done that in the past i thankfully

01:52:35.460 have not been in that rut in quite a while but the last time i was i read through the haba mall

01:52:40.660 and i thought okay this is why i'm here and that's not even one of the more i guess spiritually

01:52:47.220 significant texts you know that's almost more cultural in a lot of ways um and like worldview

01:52:54.820 um related but just reading through that again and kind of i'm about to do about paraphrasing

01:53:01.380 another stanza but the bit about um you know uh the path from to a friend's home is always uh

01:53:11.380 always feels short you know what i mean uh just even the little things like that really reminded

01:53:17.380 me like this is why i'm here this is great this is what matters things like that um but yeah ideally

01:53:24.500 so there's a roadmap yes schedule or figure out a hop to go to a holy tide an event a day of

01:53:34.180 remembrance dinner or just meeting up for coffee with your folk builder or another member or go

01:53:38.700 or whatever and then after you've scheduled that sit down and just reread the lore um

01:53:45.160 and it sounds so mundane of course but it it'll make a difference and if if that doesn't on its

01:53:53.560 own uh you know meeting up with folk absolutely will but i think you'd be surprised i think to

01:54:01.240 reading the laws are definitely a good thing too there's in don't get not used there but in general

01:54:07.400 people don't get stuck on the lobby and the um the prose editor the poetic editor there is so there's

01:54:16.200 there's beowulf there's this uh brain cramp there's uh the joms viking saga there's the

01:54:23.560 eyebrigger saga the eyebrigger is awesome that's that's uh has a lot about ghosts they even have

01:54:27.880 like a ghost seal like they have a ghost seal in there the guy has to hit it with a hammer to drive

01:54:33.560 it out of the house and and uh i was rereading niall's saga burnt niall's saga i have to not

01:54:41.480 reading it for years and i'm reading i'm reading and and and you know things go okay then the

01:54:48.920 burning the owl in his house but there's also other family members slash you know kinsmen

01:54:54.040 retainers there too and um they're trying to escape right the house is burning the rafters

01:54:59.400 are coming down you know there's one raft leaning up watch out cat so cat there's a

01:55:06.120 there's a rafter burning that falls down in the house and the thatch is burning and

01:55:09.640 And one of the guys says, you, get out. Go, go, go, go.

01:55:13.340 And the guy runs up the rafter and escapes out into the hillside.

01:55:18.300 And another guy is getting ready to run up and the rafter breaks on him and everybody dies.

01:55:22.840 But the guy who lived, I don't know, Tigvir, I don't know what his name was.

01:55:27.780 I can't remember, but let's call him Tigvir.

01:55:30.560 Tigvir starts talking, you know, he tells people what happened.

01:55:34.940 So now everybody's mad at the people burnt Neal in the house because Neal was a pretty popular guy.

01:55:39.640 So, but Tigvier, he cannot stop talking about the event, about the burning in the house and the slaying.

01:55:46.000 No, he can't sleep. That's all he can talk about. That's all he can think about.

01:55:50.220 And it just struck me like a lightning bolt that he's talking about PTSD.

01:55:56.140 So you're talking about post-traumatic stress disorder from a tale, I think it was written in the 1200s, 11, 12, 1300s.

01:56:04.780 So here it is, you know, 800, 900 years later, and we've got a primary source, like we call them, right?

01:56:12.200 A primary source talking about PTSD.

01:56:15.240 He doesn't call it PTSD, but that's classic PTSD, you know?

01:56:21.020 So what I'm saying is these things in the Lord can be very relevant to us today.

01:56:26.660 How many guys you know who are in the service who's got some form of PTSD?

01:56:31.560 How many do you know have been in a car accident, a traumatic car accident got PTSD from that?

01:56:36.700 So these are things that, oh, I'm not so different.

01:56:39.560 I'm not so weird.

01:56:40.580 I'm not so strange.

01:56:41.500 I'm not so un-understandable because I have these things keep turning over my head, this PTSD.

01:56:49.720 We've been dealing with this for 1,000 years, probably more.

01:56:53.000 So read the lore and do a Google search or whatever you use, chat, GPD, AI, whatever,

01:56:59.320 and you may find something in the law that actually speaks to your specific um spiritual malay

01:57:10.600 yeah absolutely uh there might be specific stories that just strike you there might be ones that

01:57:18.760 they might all strike you i don't know um but yeah definitely follow that road map

01:57:24.600 uh next question is from monterey monterey it depends on your pronunciation i guess monterey

01:57:34.520 goodnight 2207 can you bring spouses to events if you remember uh yes provided that your spouse is

01:57:43.000 you know like the rest of us um just let the person running the event know

01:57:49.400 um but yeah absolutely again provided that your spouse is eligible for afa membership which if

01:58:00.360 she's he or she is not then you are also not so i presume she's eligible for membership

01:58:08.200 yeah i would say most i would say most holsters and the hospital i would

01:58:13.320 say we encourage bringing family you know eligible family members

01:58:19.400 Absolutely. I mean, you know, like we kind of discussed before, lots of times the husband and maybe even the kids will come to an AFA event first and they'll go, OK, we got to get the wife and mom to join us and she'll be encouraged to show up and she might be a little nervous at first, but then ends up having a great time.

01:58:36.700 And it's and then that woman, you know, usually joins the other women and encouraging the next member spouse to join.

01:58:44.000 So it's yeah, it's a great thing to see. Absolutely.

01:58:48.260 Yeah, please bring your husband or wife. I can't tell the gender of the person based on the comment.

01:58:53.760 But yeah, a question from Connor Odinson.

01:58:58.780 Is it even possible for someone who chooses a foreign creed, even capable of getting into that creed's afterlife?

01:59:05.620 Example, could a white devoting Christian get into the Christian heaven? That's a great question and one that people kind of moving from Christianity back to their native faith of Alcatraz ask a lot. So, yeah, thank you for asking that. Just first. The answer is no. 0.65

01:59:25.040 So the biggest, I mean, you listed what would be the biggest example, the most common one that gets asked, you know, is somebody might say, well, you know, my grandma was a devout Methodist.

01:59:38.980 she you know died holding a crucifix with the little dead guy on it etc you know is she stuck

01:59:46.020 in christian heaven no because the jewish god does not hold sway over our souls um i assume

01:59:58.980 he has sway over semitic souls and that's fine for them i don't even know if that's the case 0.94

02:00:04.100 I just know he does not have ours. 0.96

02:00:07.880 Our souls return.

02:00:09.700 Well, pieces of our souls return to be with our ancestors if they accept us, which I think you have to look at it this way, too, in a modern context.

02:00:21.600 As white people, so many of our ancestors were Christian or at least nominally Christian. 0.63

02:00:27.120 And they did that because they didn't know any better most times.

02:00:31.600 And they would have been devoutly Christian because they thought they genuinely believed it was the right thing to do.

02:00:38.640 And they were probably excellent people outside of that choice, you know, and or in spite of that choice, rather. 0.82

02:00:47.340 And so their ancestors who would have been also true surely would be understanding and say, OK, you were tricked into this foreign faith, just as all of our people were past a certain point of court.

02:01:01.220 But you lived a great life. Of course, we'll let you join us here. And, you know, I don't know if those of us that broke the cycle of Christianity in our line and became Alistair again when we return to that other side of the veil.

02:01:16.800 i don't know who will get some kind of special welcome but i i know that uh or i'm confident

02:01:22.560 at least that our ancestors will be happy to see us um got a little far afield there but

02:01:29.600 yeah no a white devoted christian who is a good person is not going to go to christian

02:01:37.600 anywhere heaven or hell uh if they were an especially bad person um worthy of being

02:01:43.280 in naustrand they'll go to naustrand else true or not uh if they were an especially good person

02:01:49.600 they will i i would assume i can't speak for the icr of course but they'll they're likely to just

02:01:54.960 rejoin the ancestors um what do you think ron i agree i i agree at one time i would have years ago

02:02:05.520 i would have said that the the your afterlife is dictated by who you choose to follow

02:02:17.040 um like in america you follow american laws in russia you follow russian laws

02:02:23.440 in morocco you follow moroccan laws and likewise if you were a christian you would go

02:02:30.000 to the christian afterlife if you ask to go after life and don't forget when we talk about the

02:02:35.440 afterlife for asatru you're not talking about oh everyone goes gets to go see sit at you know

02:02:41.920 thor's bilskineer thor's hollow valhalla generally you know the common thought is that you go to the

02:02:49.760 halls of the ancestors you know that's a pretty common so but i don't i don't have that old

02:02:55.680 thought anymore over the years.

02:02:57.760 And I think that this is due

02:03:01.640 in part to some conversation with

02:03:03.580 Specky Erickson just on the side

02:03:05.540 things. He's given me

02:03:07.560 a few eye-opening

02:03:09.500 comments that kind of changed my

02:03:11.520 longer view

02:03:13.580 within Asatru.

02:03:15.440 But no, I agree with you saying. I mean, we're inseparable.

02:03:17.960 We are, you know,

02:03:19.560 the European folk, we are inseparable from our gods.

02:03:22.420 Period.

02:03:23.360 And we're inseparable.

02:03:25.680 You don't have it. You don't have a choice. You die. You'll see that.

02:03:30.900 However it happens, whatever it looks like, I'll tell you when I get there, you're going to you're going to see them.

02:03:35.200 There's there's no there's no way any of those guys have any sway over us because they're not of us and we're not of them.

02:03:42.940 So I agree with what you what you said.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, I always I tend to hail my my granny east at Sumble just because I was really close with her growing up.

02:03:55.300 And I always not that I'm in any hurry to die. Of course, I've got a lot of life left to live, a lot of Christians to piss off on Twitter and such. 0.95

02:04:05.040 But I always I always say I'm excited to see my granny and joke with her, you know, because she was a very devout Southern Baptist because, you know, we're in Georgia. 0.92

02:04:14.280 So, of course, I, you know, look forward to getting over there and teasing her about about being wrong.

02:04:20.240 and you know i i don't know what if corporeal form is a thing on the other side but if it is

02:04:25.760 she's gonna give me a good smack in the head probably but it'll be worth it uh it's a southern

02:04:31.280 hug right yeah she was uh we're so we're joking over here in this folk builders chat which one

02:04:38.000 of you has the smoke alarm battery going off because there's been beeping in the background

02:04:41.440 for like an hour sounds like a forklift a forklift uh maybe i am a black gnome

02:04:50.960 i don't know i can barely hear it but it is there it's kind of funny

02:04:54.880 okay i'm just i'm just laughing because it's real we just got hours rewired it might be ours though

02:05:02.960 it's not a smoke alarm i don't know what it is but it's just i if you don't if you don't hear

02:05:07.760 it that it's probably our imagination but multiple of us hear it you're a black gnome maybe it's

02:05:14.560 maybe you're just not hearing it it might it's either that or the tinnitus but my wife don't

02:05:20.320 hear it either you're still going on i heard a random beep i think it came from them i don't

02:05:26.720 hear it right this second but we definitely hear it might also be just some strange feedback between

02:05:31.360 your mics i don't know oh it doesn't sound like normal feedback so i don't know it's probably 0.87

02:05:38.000 it's probably our assigned fbi agents yeah probably bob quit listening to dirty rat

02:05:44.800 um where i'm in my son's nursery if you can't tell from the stuffed animals behind me in the

02:05:50.560 crib and all that uh and he's got lots of toys with like dying batteries that i need to replace

02:05:55.920 i bet it's that if i had to guess um the smoke alarm thing is funny though uh let's see

02:06:04.240 question from isaac its or one ts um he says is there a good norse equivalent to celtic

02:06:13.920 salin and uh for those listening it is not sam hayne it is salin uh yes so two kind of um

02:06:24.160 the main one that would fit the best seasonally of course is veteran or winter nights um and

02:06:31.120 that's that one's pretty much a the closest we get to a one-for-one comparison with Samhain I would

02:06:37.520 say I'm not super knowledgeable on Gaelic stuff um but it is fascinating and Samhain most closely

02:06:44.240 resembles winter nights and they they they very clearly share the same greater further back

02:06:50.400 european route um so of course at winter nights we honor our ancestors special emphasis on the dc

02:06:58.320 or our female ancestors but we also uh honor the male ancestors the alfar as well uh what

02:07:05.920 do you have any insight on that ron as well as uh

02:07:08.720 uh winter nights uh winter nights is our our closest parallel the english um would celebrate

02:07:19.760 hallows um as an independent thing that got glommed together with sowen you know so the germanic

02:07:29.480 anglo-saxons would celebrate hallows and they would go guising wear masks and stuff and very

02:07:34.880 similar to what the, the, the, the Kelts did with, with, um, Samhain. I want to say there's 0.97

02:07:42.300 something else about that. Um, something about the Celts had the gut, the masking and that 1.00

02:07:55.580 sort of thing more is a fear of the dead while the english it wasn't a fear dang it i wish i

02:08:08.440 remember i can't remember the details but there was the outward expression was very similar but

02:08:13.060 some of the details of what it was the anglo-saxon was the most celebratory as opposed to the

02:08:17.500 celtic fear in a wherever i heard that may have been wrong i don't know i wasn't there

02:08:24.140 but but i got that but i did also want to say between winter nights in the old days yule would

02:08:30.440 be a great time for ghost stories think of a christmas carol ebenezer scrooge right um ghosts

02:08:35.920 so ron calls it this isn't an afa thing but ron calls from winter nights to yule i kind of call

02:08:44.380 that the season of the dead you know that's that's when the wild hunt is about to um in that time

02:08:51.540 period um none of our holidays are a singular thing uh in the sense that we don't celebrate

02:09:05.300 x holiday and only on this date is why it's holy it's we call it tides like yule tide

02:09:16.340 easter tide so it's it's days leading up and days leading out with the tide the tide comes

02:09:22.180 in the tide goes out so there may be the height of the tide yule is pretty much you know and the

02:09:29.460 solstice is um but but the days preceding in the day uh the days coming after are still part of

02:09:36.500 that tide so uh yeah so yeah so i call the winter nights to yule that's kind of the season of the

02:09:43.460 dead where it's a lot of um holidays recognizing um the dark time of the year and in in when the

02:09:50.580 as they say the veil is thinnest i'm sure you guys have all heard that that sort of thing

02:10:00.340 uh for clarification on the beeping uh madison's watching vns into the room uh she said is

02:10:07.220 definitely one of my son's toys somewhere in here uh sounds like hospital equipments that's eerie

02:10:14.540 but um yeah the other holy tide that's close to Samhain and so like to be clear winter nights is

02:10:23.060 like the equivalent but uh yeah Yule as Ron mentioned I didn't even think of that one but

02:10:27.520 I was gonna say Nornanot or uh Hexanot or some people call it uh Volpergisnacht it's kind of

02:10:34.280 one of those to put my more modern kind of lame terms but just bear with me it's like that spooky

02:10:41.540 girl magic stuff um so that's similar to that sort of Samhain Halloween uh thinning of the

02:10:52.280 the idea of thinning of the veil I suppose the veil is thinnest during the time of the wild hunt

02:10:58.480 in the wintry months, but in Nornanod, there's still kind of a focus on that side of things.

02:11:07.120 Another donation from Nahoa in Arizona that donated $5 to Njordtsov. Thank you. And Odtsov,

02:11:17.920 $10 to Sigurheim, $15 to Balder Steeple, and also bought a couple of Hoff pens. Thank you very much.

02:11:27.040 Thank you.

02:11:28.220 Every little bit counts.

02:11:29.860 I know that's a cliche.

02:11:31.440 Or is that the way again?

02:11:32.980 Penny that up to pounds.

02:11:34.960 Yeah, absolutely.

02:11:36.840 That's how we've been able to achieve all that we have so far.

02:11:39.800 It's just from little donations and things like that, as well as big donations, of course.

02:11:45.520 Mostly little donations from members just giving us what they can so we can continue to build and make things brighter for both our gods and our descendants.

02:11:56.320 um that is all we have for questions uh do you have any last thoughts you want to put out there

02:12:06.540 ron i got a thousand thoughts i don't want to go too late but uh i was wanting to mention a couple

02:12:12.900 other um bits of law that may be kind of interesting for people to look at that you

02:12:18.560 don't really hear too much about um there's so many things out there um and i'm going to try

02:12:25.340 not to be anglo-specific but i will be um there's something called the durham um

02:12:34.860 durham what precepts during durham verses and it's it's old anglo-saxon and it parallels the

02:12:41.980 haba mal in so many ways it's more advice to people and there's so many things there's also

02:12:47.740 something called maxims one and maxims two i mean in maxims one they even talk about um

02:12:54.060 One or two, I'm sorry, I can't remember which.

02:12:57.260 There's even a line there that woad in fashion to idols and Christ did victory or something like that.

02:13:04.280 So there's a lot of snippets in there.

02:13:06.500 There's something about Solomon and Jupiter, I think, which is another old English thing where they talk about, I think they say Jupiter invented runes.

02:13:17.600 And Jupiter is a, you know, there used to be, there's a word for it where you Latinize Germanic names.

02:13:23.840 But Jupiter could have been an equivalent for Odin at the time, too.

02:13:28.440 So there's a lot of those things out there.

02:13:30.220 There's the Maersberg charms, if I'm remembering rightly.

02:13:35.400 There's two of them.

02:13:36.740 One of them talks about Odin and Balder going on a horse ride out in the woods.

02:13:42.340 And Balder's horse breaks an ankle, a forelock.

02:13:47.540 and then

02:13:49.480 I think Frigga and Fuller, her sister

02:13:52.180 come and others come and they do

02:13:54.120 a spell

02:13:54.720 on the horse's

02:13:57.500 hoof, well ankle

02:13:59.740 the leg to, you know, blood

02:14:02.120 to blood, bone to bone, you know, flesh to

02:14:04.160 flesh heel, so

02:14:05.240 don't get

02:14:07.600 I've said this a few times, don't get

02:14:10.100 siloed in Anglo-Saxon

02:14:12.420 don't get siloed in

02:14:13.520 Norse, don't get siloed in Gothic

02:14:16.080 they take the norse expression is the best in what we go with but we'll use all these other

02:14:22.480 things to inform things like the heims kringle is great for sumbo but beowulf was great for

02:14:28.000 sumbo too and it really informs all these things so there's a lot of stuff out there um that you're

02:14:34.160 going to get a lot of i think you're going to get a lot of use out of if you if you're interested

02:14:38.560 um i also wanted to say uh for the holidays don't just decorate for valentine's day and

02:14:46.880 saint patrick's day and stuff do stuff like this too at home make a maple right it's just

02:14:53.600 a dowel and a little thing from michael's or whatever and some things make make a little

02:14:57.920 maypole put that up a week or two before summer mile you know mayday put that up you know make a

02:15:04.000 old Swedish

02:15:05.520 midsummer stang, you know, the midsummer pole

02:15:08.140 that the Swedes do. 1.00

02:15:11.440 Immerse yourself 1.00

02:15:12.400 in ossitu

02:15:13.840 because we're a religion

02:15:15.760 but it's tied into our people

02:15:17.700 but it's tied into our culture too. So these are also

02:15:19.940 cultural expressions that help reinforce

02:15:22.440 the spiritual,

02:15:24.480 the religious aspect. They're kind of inseparable.

02:15:27.020 So

02:15:27.140 depending on how crafty you are or motivated

02:15:30.140 you are, you can find stuff online maybe.

02:15:32.620 but but also don't be that guy who has like everything in your room is thor and you know

02:15:38.780 don't be that guy either where it's just like one big whoa what's going on here you know that's

02:15:43.340 don't do that but but immerse yourself in traditional things and in cultural things

02:15:47.820 about people even i'm not swedish weiss part swedish but you know we have these things to help

02:15:53.660 help ground you in our history you know and our people's history like um so do that sort of thing

02:15:59.900 uh as well don't just you know for the for you'll do the um do the um the yule buck the

02:16:06.060 you'll go the straw you'll go as well you know do the uh do uh for free facts you make if you don't

02:16:12.700 go can't get to a half go ahead and make yourself a bread horse and if you can't fashion a horse

02:16:17.820 make yourself a loaf of zucchini bread and call it a horse you know there's it's not wrong but

02:16:23.020 but still have that be something we make uh corn dollies up here which is weaving of wheat and

02:16:28.460 stuff like that into shapes you know um yeah those those are some of the those are just some

02:16:35.660 of the other things i i wanted to throw out there i mean ostrich is about life you know it's a

02:16:41.740 forward-facing it's about life and we're grounded in the past but we're moving forward and and pass

02:16:47.580 it on these are the fun things that kids love if you have kids it's fun thing the kids like to do

02:16:51.580 grandkids nephews nieces um do those type of things ostriches alive you know help keep it

02:16:59.180 alive by doing these things not just not just bloat although that's probably the main thing

02:17:02.860 we do the gift exchange um the gift cycle but but do all these other little things too

02:17:10.860 yeah um there's kind of this modern thing where people will say uh you know i'm gonna let my kids

02:17:18.140 choose what religion they are uh you know yeah don't do that um and you know and then the response

02:17:25.740 to what i'm about to say is always like you know well whatever you push them to do they'll do the 0.99

02:17:29.500 opposite which is not always true it's not right if you're a jerk if you're a jerk about it they 0.98

02:17:35.420 will but if you're just a regular loving parent yeah it as long as you're not a jerk and as long 0.99

02:17:41.900 as you're not just like objectively wrong um both my parents are you know vote democrat and i'm you 0.98

02:17:48.700 know here so it's not that they're jerks they're just wrong about some stuff anyway um yeah you

02:17:56.220 know it's like my son is he's only 15 months old so he doesn't really care too much but like 0.94

02:18:03.100 when we go to a holy tide i'm making old english and modern english already yeah yeah um but you

02:18:10.860 know i i make him wear his thor's hammer at he i make him dress nice at the hof uh

02:18:17.260 you know it he sits in bloat and some will he freaks out at bloat a little if it's a loud one

02:18:23.100 but he sits in it as long as he can without disturbing everybody else and that's how we're

02:18:29.500 planning to raise him and you should raise your children that way too this is their birthright and

02:18:34.300 it's you have an obligation to give that to them um you have an obligation as a white person who is 0.62

02:18:46.460 also true to give that birthright that gift to all other white people but especially your children

02:18:54.220 or your nieces or nephews if you're a very involved uncle or if you're a grandparent

02:18:58.060 in charge of your, your grandkids, whatever. Uh, it's, it's our duty to, uh, uh, proselytize

02:19:05.020 a little bit. Um, I know it's a dirty word. I don't even like saying it, but it just is what

02:19:10.700 it is. Uh, we did have one more. I'd like a better way of saying it, but it's true. If you don't

02:19:19.140 push your beliefs on your kids, somebody else will. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know,

02:19:25.460 And I'm sure there's a more gentle adult way of saying that,

02:19:29.720 but that's 100% true.

02:19:31.260 That's probably the most cut and dry you can get.

02:19:33.280 Yeah, I would, you know, if you don't teach them this, well, you know.

02:19:39.100 That's where furries come from.

02:19:41.480 We can all see the way the winds blow, tend to blow culturally,

02:19:46.280 and I think they're changing now.

02:19:47.580 But currently they're still blowing a certain way,

02:19:50.400 so we all know how that will end up.

02:19:52.060 um michael hollis asks do y'all have any insight on the cultural and religious significance of the

02:19:59.680 bear in relation to also true aside from berserkers uh there is a decent amount of evidence

02:20:06.520 that the bear was sort of uh the northern european equivalent of the lion and i wish i had a cool more

02:20:16.460 detailed answer to that there is a book that the ulcer ago i think producer nick have both

02:20:22.940 recommended uh feel free to throw that up yep here we go good job uh the bear history of a fallen

02:20:30.540 king by miko or michael uh pastoro uh i need to pick that book up myself actually i read an excerpt

02:20:40.300 of it online and i thought it was cool and i've been able to buy the book for like a year and i

02:20:44.300 haven't yet so i'll get on that uh you should too yeah the bear was our version of the lion

02:20:52.060 uh and lions are cool it's kind of a southern european thing and southern europeans are still

02:20:56.540 europeans as long as you don't cross into certain parts of sicily i reckon um uh so

02:21:03.980 yeah that's the thorbyon i think is still a pretty common common name in in scandinavia

02:21:11.260 thor bjorn and thor bear oh that makes sense so i don't have much else i was going to recommend

02:21:17.100 that same book that uh specking recommended thanks nick for getting that up but

02:21:24.300 yeah all right uh that was for real our last question this time check the chat myself uh

02:21:33.100 um xavier chipwood left a comment that is really he said you should pass down your

02:21:40.140 cultural your culture obviously it's not even preaching yeah exactly it's everybody else does

02:21:47.420 and they should so should we uh it just kind of comes back to that sort of i say age old adage

02:21:53.780 but really it's kind of a mid-2010s thing that's just become more prevalent other people do it

02:21:58.980 white people should do it too that's pretty much it um so with that uh thank you guys for being

02:22:06.520 here please go watch or listen to the alzharic gothi's interview with mark collette of patriotic

02:22:13.240 alternative uh everybody says he did a good job which he always does so i assume that would be

02:22:18.600 the case but go listen to it anyway uh rather than just assuming it was good pretend you don't know

02:22:24.760 and you got to go find out go listen to that um please like and share this so we can get more eyes

02:22:31.560 on this and more people joining us and bringing glory to the ice here and restoring our folk to

02:22:37.800 greatness uh thank you so much ron for being here my pleasure thank you for the privilege

02:22:44.040 one of our very best folk builders and uh i we have a lot of great folk builders so it's hard to

02:22:50.440 choose i guess but definitely one of the top dogs and uh i appreciate you the afa appreciates you

02:22:56.920 I can I can only do it because of all the the structure in place the format of the AFA it's

02:23:02.760 no man's an island right and I and and when we're atomized we fail and but working within the AFA is

02:23:08.820 just it's been amazing I've got great folk builders alongside of me great folk builders

02:23:14.880 and gold are up and above me and gosh this is our rank and file just tremendous people

02:23:20.220 running for the right reason and it makes doing this easy absolutely yeah it's a great time to

02:23:26.200 be also true and we're just going to keep working on it till it till the next time to be out true

02:23:31.820 is even better uh with that yeah thank you all for being here uh hail the icer hail the folk

02:23:39.080 hail the afa never forget victory never sleeps night y'all

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 30, 2026

7⧸29⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 212 - Thus Spake Spekingr East

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