On November 3rd, a car bomb exploded in the parking lot of the Dugans' home in the suburbs of St. Louis, Missouri, killing their daughter and injuring other family members. Is this an act of terrorism, or was it the work of Ukrainian intelligence with help from the CIA? Jack Posobiec joins us to explain.
00:02:18.000We have no idea who did this or how it was planned out.
00:02:22.000From what we have heard so far, local authorities are reporting that the car was, in fact, the father's car, but she happened to be driving it.
00:02:32.000They were at some kind of family reunion, and it's the car he normally drives.
00:02:39.000He rode in another car, and that an explosive device was found underneath the driver's seat.
00:02:46.000And so this does look as though it was a planned assassination attempt on Dugan himself.
00:02:51.000I'm seeing some people saying that they may have been targeting the daughter, but it seems more than likely that this was an attempt on Dugan.
00:02:57.000Now, because he was in the car next to her, there's also videos you can see of him outside the vehicle, hands on his head, just utter shock.
00:03:06.000And I think what people need to understand is that regardless of your stance on this war, you have to understand this is a major escalation.
00:03:14.000This could potentially be a Franz Ferdinand moment on the Eurasian landmass.
00:03:20.000And, you know, I'm sure Victoria Nuland and all of her buddies are popping bottles down at the State Department right now.
00:03:27.000But I would say, I would urge, you know, pump the brakes just a little bit because you have to understand that there are going to be responses to this,
00:03:36.000and there are going to be geopolitical fallout on the backs of committing terrorist attacks, assassinations inside the Capitol.
00:03:43.000We're going to have to have immediately, where this is going to have to come forward, the CIA.
00:03:50.000Any CIA involvement in this with SBU has to come up.
00:03:54.000We have to know any American involvement, because you're absolutely correct.
00:03:59.000This is not just Putin's inner circle.
00:04:01.000This is considered the chief strategist for the whole Eurasian strategy of Putin.
00:04:05.000And whether you agree with that or not, this is the this is be like an assassination attempt in the United States of a senior level member of the government.
00:04:13.000Now, their talk is SBU is trying to take credit for this, but the SBU, the Ukrainian intelligence services, which, by the way, are totally controlled by the CIA.
00:04:22.000You agree, Jack, to be able to strike into the heart of Putin's inner circle in Moscow in the suburbs of Moscow without without help from other intelligence services,
00:04:32.000whether that's people in the FSB or KGB that have been that have turned or.
00:04:37.000But it's impossible for Ukrainian intelligence to be able to do this themselves.
00:04:41.000Well, Steve, we know that Ukraine has received considerable U.S. intelligence assistance throughout this war.
00:04:49.000So it certainly wouldn't be anything over the what's just routine for them to say for us to say that there have been U.S. intelligence high level coordination with Ukrainian intelligence.
00:05:00.000Now, to say that they would commit something like this and the U.S. would allow themselves to be involved.
00:05:04.000I mean, that would be super, super high level.
00:05:07.000I mean, the U.S., of course, if anything like this was done, it would be completely off the books and more like the passing of information, that type of thing, rather than any official official setup.
00:05:18.000And also, I mean, you think about it, you could even be going on the dark web and find some people within Russia and going and paying them in Bitcoin.
00:05:25.000Even these the Russian mystery fires that have been going on since the beginning of the war, nobody's really sure what's going on there.
00:05:32.000But it seems like people are just getting paid off on the dark web to go and do that, you know, setting fire to Russian recruitment stations, things like this.
00:05:40.000And so the idea is it would be completely untraceable if any Western intelligence were involved.
00:05:47.000But that being said, the idea is they're now hitting soft targets.
00:05:52.000And I think people need to understand that and internalize it, that if you've set the table now, if you set the bar in attacking soft targets deep within your enemy's capital, then if that's the case, what is the reprisal going to be?
00:06:05.600What is the response going to be? And this is exactly how World War I kicked off.
00:06:11.100This is what slid everyone into the guns of August situation, because what it was, you know, Gabriel Princip and Franz Ferdinand and the coffee shop and all that, Sarajevo, the crown prince of Austria, you know, striking back at the Ottomans.
00:06:24.300And the question is, is this a moment or will this lead to further escalation that gets everyone to trigger their treaties like the NATO treaty and then tip this over into a much more cost?
00:06:37.220And we've seen, by the way, Ukraine now striking more and more into Russian held territory like Crimea.
00:06:43.300They're striking into places across the border in Belgorod.
00:06:46.700So this has been going on for several weeks now.
00:06:49.220And we're seeing now this attack inside Russia, which, of course, we can't say that for sure that it was the Ukrainian intelligence services.
00:06:56.440But certainly, I think that's where everyone is thinking right now.
00:06:59.200Jack, before we let you go, we know you're heading to mass with the family.
00:07:06.620You know, my theory of the case is and I've said this since the great Jonathan Swan did that interview with Zelensky main stage at the party of Davos in the World Economic Forum, where Zelensky's lecture on us that we should read memoirs.
00:07:22.200We haven't read the memoirs of World War Two, which I said the next day.
00:07:25.200He should read the best and the brightest to start.
00:07:27.480He should start reading up on a guy named President Diem in Vietnam.
00:07:31.480We've seen the White House trying to distance themselves from Zelensky, the Tom Friedman leak.
00:07:35.820There's been these leaks about the people, the Washington Post interview where Zelensky said, I didn't tell the people in Ukraine about the invasion because I didn't want everybody to flee.
00:07:45.480There's a lot of the Ukrainian people are turning on him.
00:07:48.160Do you believe this is the opening gambit in the internal intelligence services, the administrative or what people call the deep state?
00:07:55.200Starting to move on Zelensky, that they're going to try to negotiate a deal with Zelensky, get him out or eventually go President Diem on him.
00:08:02.940Well, Steve, you have been calling that laying on the card on the table that we're going to see assassinations, and you've been saying that all week.
00:08:11.040And then, boom, here we see one not in Kiev, but actually over in Moscow.
00:08:15.140The idea that the intelligence services, the national security services are starting to step up, and whether that's the raid on Mar-a-Lago, this attack in Moscow, we're starting to see that because the geopolitical situation has gotten so caustic and so frictive at this point, that now we're seeing the intelligence.
00:08:33.960This is where one spark can ignite a powder keg, and the world is a powder keg right now.
00:08:40.160Remember, you've got Zelensky saying that at the World Economic Forum.
00:08:43.300He says that's a swan, but then he goes over to the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, and says that he wants to bring them in.
00:08:49.720He understands that that relationship is unsteady.
00:08:52.820We're seeing that with Thomas Friedman.
00:08:54.660We're seeing that in a variety of other articles.
00:08:56.800That being said, the money seems to be continuing to come from Washington.
00:09:00.260But everyone knows that any spark could ignite this into a much greater situation, and that's the same domestically as it is internationally.
00:09:09.300And that's where these intelligence services or even potential third-party chaos agent actors can come in and set the entire world on fire.
00:09:21.200And Diem, Diem, when the Americans tried to get him to heave to about the Buddhists burning themselves in Saigon, he said, hey, look, there are other sponsors out there.
00:09:29.500That was Zelensky said, hey, I want the CCP here, and told Xi, I see Ukraine as a land bridge into Europe.
00:09:35.520He's been playing with fire, and Zelensky ought to understand, if his SBU did this, that, hey, all bets are off on this thing right now.
00:09:42.680Jack Basovic, you've got a major show on Real America's Voice, 10 o'clock every night.
00:09:46.580Of course, Human Events Daily, there with Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA.
00:09:50.280How do people get to you and follow you today and tomorrow before your show?
00:09:54.360Because there's so much news breaking on this assassination attempt at Dugan and the murder of his daughter.
00:10:54.160Are we heading towards the guns of August?
00:10:55.920Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment, sir?
00:10:59.400Well, Steve, you know what you and Jack were saying just now is absolutely correct.
00:11:02.640I would frame this assassination in the context that on Thursday of this week in Lviv, there were these peace talks that didn't go anywhere between Volodymyr Zelensky, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey, and Antonio Guterres, the secretary general of the UN.
00:11:22.940As I say, those talks didn't go anywhere, but the pressure there for Zelensky to sit down at the table with Putin and negotiate was there.
00:11:32.140Now, Zelensky, as we said a couple of days ago, Steve, feels himself empowered to turn those talks down because the money is continuing to come in, $750 million on Friday.
00:11:45.740I note, however, that not a single European Union country pledged new support for the month of July.
00:11:54.020So now America is back to shouldering the big weight.
00:11:56.940But, Steve, the context that I would say about this assassination attempt, Jack's absolutely right that this is going to lead to a tit-for-tat exchange, as these things always do when they become personal between two sides.
00:12:11.160And they will obviously, I think, become escalatory as well at the same sense.
00:12:15.720What I would say, Jack had mentioned these mystery explosions.
00:12:21.060You'll remember, Steve, about 10 days ago, Zelensky went off on one on his military commanders because no word from Kiev had come out over who was behind this.
00:12:31.360And someone was shooting their mouth off inside Zelensky's inner circle to the press, bragging, said, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually, this is us doing it.
00:12:38.300We know 100% that Ukraine is behind these terroristic attacks on the Russian side.
00:12:52.300But let's call that the Russian sphere of influence for the sake of the war.
00:12:57.180Well, Steve, my takeaway is this, whoever is behind this assassination attempt does not want to sit, does not want peace between Russia and Ukraine.
00:13:13.940Look towards the escalation, the escalation party here.
00:13:17.720And remember, the European governments right now, it's a huge article in The Guardian yesterday about how nobody, not one European country has stepped up on time in the month of July to put up the money that they had committed to Ukraine.
00:15:55.480I'll tell you what, Ben, real quickly, I want to put up, you know, you and I, you were with me when we had the summit with Dugan to talk about his theories.
00:16:04.480Dugan is not, he's very anti-America as far as America goes, as far as the woke America and what is going on with NATO and being this aggressive.
00:16:15.480When you actually meet him and talk about it, it's not as virently, you know, he's called an ultra-nationalist.
00:16:20.480He's not as anti-American as you actually would think.
00:16:23.480I had the chance to spend an entire day with him about 12, 14 hours a couple of years ago in Rome, set up by Ben Harnwell.
00:16:29.480He's the geopolitical theorist from back to the fourth political theory.
00:16:33.480And look, he's an ultra-nationalist and he is very, he was very pro-CCP.
00:16:38.480The whole book, I think it was called The War for Eternity, outlined my discussion with him that Russia in no way can partner or ally with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:20:21.480And so much of our work has to be getting our country back, getting free and fair elections, getting the people like your show does such a good job of doing action, action, action, mobilized on the ground.
00:20:35.480It's up to all of us and taking every step that we can, every piece of ground that we can.
00:20:42.480And summits like this is so encouraging.
00:21:28.480Everyone knows none of this would be happening if President Trump was rightfully in there, as he should have been.
00:21:34.480And as you know, all these patriots are still committed to seeing through the fact that we have a fair election in November, this coming November.
00:22:14.480I mean, it's just amazing because when you're connecting all these people in these grassroots groups, there's so many more patriots who still love this country.
00:23:02.480In every state, there are massive problems.
00:23:04.480In fact, I keep saying the case that Montana, Utah and Alabama, which are three of the most biggest Trump states and wins by a huge margin.
00:23:13.480The problems in those states are almost as bad as Georgia, Arizona and in Pennsylvania.
00:23:18.480And I think that's what this coming week, when we have time, we're actually going to have over the next couple of weeks, people from everyone that presented here.
00:23:25.480Here's the thing you should take away.
00:24:03.480It is corruption in both parties at all levels.
00:24:07.480And it's going to be patriots on the ground who are within the system, too, who unbeknownst to them, they've had their elections taken away from them.
00:24:47.480These are really election officials and people that are involved in this process right now.
00:24:53.480But I had I spent five hours yesterday after the show just meeting and greeting people here and talking to them as they were going to do it again this afternoon to a person.
00:25:03.480They're saying, when is President Trump going on offense on this outrageous illegal raid?
00:26:38.480So he's going to defend the Fourth Amendment because, make no mistake, they're coming for all of our, the Bill of Rights are coming for it all.
00:26:45.480Is he going to release all the, all the video and all the tapes?
00:26:48.480I mean, when we fight back, we're going to court with the Fourth Amendment and ask for, I guess, a special master because you can't trust the FBI.
00:26:57.480You need an impartial party because you can't, you can't trust the FBI.
00:37:44.480The way the public gets us, we're pushing this out on Frank's speech on the Frank's speech app.
00:37:48.480Of course, Real America's Voice has been such a great partner of doing live shows here of War Room both mornings.
00:37:56.480Our own Calamity Jane Zirkle has been going around getting interviews with people.
00:38:00.480And we're going to play clips of that.
00:38:01.480We're also going to have a lot of content.
00:38:03.480What we're going to do, we're so inspired by this.
00:38:05.480All 50 states are going to be on the show in the next three, four weeks.
00:38:09.480We're going to get time during the, probably during Battleground.
00:38:12.480It's amazing, amazing work these people have done, really, not just inspired us, but really the quality of work.
00:38:19.480And I keep saying, hey, when you look at Montana, Utah, and Alabama, and you look at what's going on on these super Trump states,
00:38:28.480but you really look at what's going on with the elections, you understand why the Republican establishment controls things on states that are 80 or 90 percent MAGA.
00:39:08.480Well, day one, and I think day two, which we're in now, is going to be very different than day one.
00:39:12.480But as I was telling you just a moment ago, what I think was really good about day one is that often the reporting on all these elections,
00:39:19.480the election fraud out of different states is here and there.
00:39:23.480And it's so specific and sometimes it's overwhelming for people is what I hear from viewers and readers to my sub stack.
00:39:31.480What I think that Mike Lindale has managed to do that has been very successful, and I haven't seen anyone else really do yet,
00:39:37.480is put all of this information together in day one about the current state of elections, what happened to get us here.
00:39:44.480And it was, they did it in a digestible way that everyone could understand.
00:39:50.480No matter what your current knowledge of the electoral process is, you could understand where the problems were and are.
00:39:57.480I also think it was great that a representative from every state, from all 50 states, got up to talk about the status of the electoral process in their states,
00:40:07.480no matter what happened in 2020, who won, whether they lean red, blue or purple, what the current process is,
00:40:15.480and where there needs to be fixes or what works.
00:40:23.480It should have already been happening because it's the very heart of our democracy.
00:40:28.480But I've been very encouraged talking with people, too, about how many people are getting involved in learning and becoming part of their local process.
00:40:39.480And I love what I heard you say that you're going to have people on from all 50 states.
00:40:47.480Like, I talked to a lady from New Hampshire, and I keep seeing a theme here.
00:40:52.480I talked to a lady from New Hampshire yesterday, and I didn't really know a ton about New Hampshire because it's not been one of those six states we've been hyper-focused on.