Episode 2116： The Democrats Are Afraid To Let The Public Vote; The FBI's Cover Ups Of Hunter Laptop And Lack Of Quality
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In this episode, the Democratic Strategists take a look at the latest signs that the red wave is receding ahead of the 2022 midterms. They discuss why this is happening and what it could mean for Democrats in the midterms and beyond.
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reporting on the specific signs Republicans hope for a red wave are receding ahead of the
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2022 elections. What are those signs? Mika, it's been such a stark shift from last fall
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and earlier this year. Remember after that Virginia election, Republicans stormed a victory
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in the governor's race with Glenn Youngkin. They nearly won a stunner of a victory in New Jersey.
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They were so optimistic and bullish about a red wave. But now you have to squint very hard to see
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any signs of a red wave, as you all have been talking about on this panel. And the signs are
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everywhere. The most recent one was that special election in Hudson Valley, just north of New York
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City. That has been a bellwether district that has tracked the national mood for years. Democrats
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should have no business even competing there if it was anything resembling a red wave climate. Yet
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the Democrat, Pat Ryan, won against a Republican, Mark Molinaro, by a larger margin than President
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Biden won in 2020. That suggests something is going on there. Our poll shows that persuadable
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voters are trending toward Democrats. They were in favor of Republicans by six points earlier this
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year. Now they're in favor of Democrats by three points, which is so unusual in an election year for
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the party in power. We see the Republican enthusiasm gap shrinking in our poll as well. 17 points earlier
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this year to just two points. Now McConnell, as you guys have been mentioning, downplaying his
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expectations in the Senate. He had that moment of candor talking about candidate quality. McConnell has these
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frank moments occasionally. He has a tendency to walk them back. He has to remain optimistic about
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Pennsylvania and Georgia. He's not becoming majority leader if Republicans lose those seats.
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Beyond that, you know, there's Republicans. The fact that Republicans have to spend even a penny in Ohio,
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as Joe was just mentioning, that state voted Republican by 12 and a half points more than the country
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as a whole did. That should be a wide open layup this year in a year like this. Yet Republicans may be
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fumbling the ball there. They have to go in and prop up J.D. Vance rather than seeing him close to a
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victory. Now, what are the causes of this? Everyone is looking at the Supreme Court abortion decision.
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That's been huge. That has galvanized Democratic voters. That has woken up a number of abortion rights
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supporters who had taken this for granted maybe over years, maybe over decades. I think declining gas
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prices have a lot to do with it. That was a reason that President Biden's approval went down in the
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first place. And of course, the reemergence of Trump reminds independent voters who are very
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alienated by him that he's still out there, that he's still reasserting his dominance
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over the Republican Party, that he still controls this party to a large degree.
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And it is making it harder for Republicans like McConnell to make this a referendum on President
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Biden. It is actually playing into Democrats' hands in a sense of making this a choice between
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Democrats, the party in power now, and what they call the MAGA Republicans, the Trump Republicans.
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You add it up. You know, Republicans at this point should not feel too pessimistic. They still have
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a lot of opportunities, given these slender margins, to take control of Congress. But you can certainly
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see, you know, a road where they end up losing the possibility of capturing the Senate and keeping
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it very close, if not even losing the House. Christine DeGreer, some of these candidates that seem so far
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right, so fringe, so big lie, so driven still by Trump, will win. What are the risks?
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The risks and the opportunities, but most importantly, the risks for Democrats moving
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Yeah, I mean, I'm incredibly worried that some of these candidates could win in November,
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because obviously it sets us up for a very dangerous moment. Moving into 2024, we've got
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secretaries of state. We've got different gubernatorial candidates who believe in the big lie, who want
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to essentially do what Lindsey Graham is doing, which is speak to an audience of one, which is Donald Trump,
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because he comes with millions of quasi-rabid followers who will essentially do whatever
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he instructs them to do. And so I think it's really important for the Democrats to
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galvanize their base. I mean, I think it was said, you know, a lot of Republicans, especially in the
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base, are looking backwards. It's imperative that these Senate candidates and gubernatorial candidates
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and Joe Biden really contextualize why it is that we have to look forward. What is at stake? It's not just
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about inflation and economics and gas prices. It is about the soul of our democracy. I know,
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you know, my students get tired of hearing this, but every election is the most important election.
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But in this instance, it absolutely is. If we don't get 2022 correct, we don't get 2024 correct.
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Because as Kevin McCarthy and the Lindsey Grahams have already said, if Republicans gain control of
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one or two parties, houses in Congress, you know, immediately impeachment proceedings start.
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Who are we impeaching and why? It doesn't matter. They've just said, we're going to start impeachment
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proceedings. It'll be lots of Hunter Biden. It'll be lots of emails and laptops. It'll be Hillary
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Clinton all over again. It'll be Barack Hussein Obama. We've seen this time and time again. And so
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we're seeing it even more. And so it's really important that if we want to actually move forward
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on policy, we need to make sure that some of these extremist candidates who have won their primaries
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are not elected in November of 2022, but definitely not in November of 2024.
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Okay. Welcome to the War Room. It's Tuesday, 30 August, the year of our Lord, 2022. And there is
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an all out assault on the red tsunami, the 100 seats for 100 years. They're absolutely totally panicked.
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And trust me, the reason they're panicked is because they saw the sweeping school board
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victory. So it's not some swing district that McCarthy and these guys kept Trump out of and said,
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don't come, don't get involved. It's not that. It's they saw the sweeping victories in the school
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board elections in Florida, and they're in total panic mode. So now every day you're just getting
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the research, you're going to get the psyops, all of it. We've got to separate out the signal from
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the noise. The professor there, I think she's from Fordham. She's absolutely correct in saying that
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if when we take one of two houses, particularly the house, which we're going to take, they will start
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the investigations into the southern border, the invasion of the southern border,
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Hunter's laptop, all of it to bring about impeachment proceedings on Joe Biden, that's
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going to happen. Of course, Joe Biden's going to go in front of the nation on Thursday night
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and trash talk MAGA. He's all cool with, they're all cool with Republicans. What they're not cool with
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is MAGA, right? He's okay with controlled opposition, but he's not okay with MAGA. We got a lot to get to.
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So what I decided to do was to ask and bring in a man of incredible wisdom, Rudy the Great Giuliani,
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the greatest mayor in the history of New York. Rudy the Great. No, Rudy. So first off, you know,
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and Ron Brownstein from the Los Angeles Times, they also put his stuff up at CNN. He wrote a piece,
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and I want Denver, if Denver can please put it up sometime on the screen where Rudy and I chat,
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because there's a couple of pieces up, but I think his is the most profound. He said, look,
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instead of the Republicans are running on what Steve Cortez said, inflation, immigration, right,
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the economy, and crime, and they don't mention wokeness, because they don't want to talk about
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that. But that's our set of issues. And he says the Democrats have to run, and what they have to do,
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and it was reinforced by the professor from Fordham that said they have to run on climate change,
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abortion, and threats to democracy. Do you understand the Democrats can't win unless they
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steal elections? I understand that gets under the skin, but that's reality. So when we win these
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I don't think anyone better than you and I understand that, Steve. We lived it, right?
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You and I lived that in the foxhole for quite some reason. By the way, we're still in a couple of
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foxholes in regards to that, and we're never giving up. Hold it. Now that you bring it up for
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either the FBI or anything like that, I want to know Trump put out on True Social, and MSNBC's got
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up there right now a piece about how many Republicans agree. Trump put up last night that, hey, because of
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the Hunter situation, because of the FBI guy either getting fired or quitting, because of
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Facebook saying the FBI told him not to do it, that he wants, you know, that he won, and he wants
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another election immediately. I keep saying the Biden electors can't get certified. They're not
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going to be Trump election. We don't need another national election. It's called a, and I keep trying
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to get this into people's minds. It's a contingent election. It gets kicked. You're not going to flip
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the Biden electors or Trump electors. You're going to not be able to certify the Biden electors,
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and by not certifying the Biden electors, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and our beloved
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Constitution have a way that what's supposed to happen. That is a contingent election in the House
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of Representatives where you vote by state party delegation, and guess what? Even with Liz Cheney
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voting Wyoming for the Democrats, I think we still win 26-24. So yes, we heartily believe what
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President Trump said, because we don't think we know that the Biden electors can't be certified
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in Arizona or Georgia or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin, those
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five states. That gets us below 270. That means you got to have a contingent election. So let's do it.
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Let's start the contingent election, you know, this week. Let's do it. That's what we should do,
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and MSNBC suck on that. No, it's not another national general election, and it's not flipping
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those electors to Trump. There should be another election, and it's set up. What did they understand?
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By the way, Jamie Raskin knows this. He goes on TV all the time. In fact, he corrected me. He says,
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Bannon's wrong. It's not 27-23. Liz Cheney would vote. She's the one delegate from Wyoming,
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and by the way, I give it to Jamie Raskin. You're right on that one. I give that one to you.
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So we win, what, 26-24. But that's the election we should have. Rudy, get us up to date on the
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psyops. You've been through this enough times where they're trying to suppress our vote now
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by getting everybody terribly depressed, and they're saying the more you talk about Trump,
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Well, the psyops of the Democrat Party are amateurish, and we should have figured them out
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almost from day one. Now they're, it's projection. They try to take the heat off the things they did
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wrong, unethical crimes, who knows what else, and they charge us with it. So right now, we're the
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half-fascist. We're the semi-fascist. So first of all, what's a semi-fascist? You're either a fascist
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or you're not. And they're the ones who are acting like fascist. So they put it on up.
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No, they're not, Rudy. Whoa, whoa, whoa. They're not acting like fascists. They are fascists.
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They want, they want. They like big tech oligarchs. They like big media oligarchs.
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They like concentration of state. They like concentration in state capitalism and total
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authoritarian rule. They are truly fascist. They have taken the Muslim and Hitler model and
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100%. And they're, and they're doing it day in and day up. The raid on Mar-a-Lago is a general
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warrant. It would fit the definition of George III's writ of attainder. I don't want to get
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terribly historic or, or technical, but it's about as close to a writ of attainder as we've
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had since the 18th century. It gives itself away by providing 18 days in order to execute
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it. Therefore, it says on the face of it, this is nothing important. You don't take 18
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days to go get nuclear material or a gun. The FBI took an entire weekend to get around
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to doing it. Headline, affidavit, warrant, not so important. It completely blows what they
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were doing there. I mean, and the reality, the reality is they're getting desperate. This
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whole idea of paying so much attention to us, not just you and me, but the whole thing,
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everything on CNN and MSNBC is about, they're afraid as hell. They know beyond this poll and
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that poll, the essential movement of the American people when it's been engaged is to resist
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being dominated. Look how that lady you interviewed went right back to the pandemic.
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She saw the connection that you and I have been making for two years. She got it.
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This is what they were doing all through the pandemic, acting like fascist dictator. Now
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they're taking it big time. He passes one of the most significant financial actions in American
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history, this forgiving of the loan. It's an amount of money never forgiven. He has no legal authority
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to do it. And he does it by dictate. Only dictators dictate. It should be done by vote. Every childhood
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student of history and civics knows the power of the purse belongs with the legislature. He's robbed
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it, and think about this, from his own legislature. Imagine what he'd do to a Republican legislature.
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He's afraid of letting them vote on this. Really, you know, take from some people, give to other
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people, which is inherently unfair, immoral, illegal. And by the way, about as clear an indication that
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he's become, in effect, a communist. Take from some, give to the other. And he decides. The state decides.
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They're trying to get us not to talk about Trump. They're saying that any discussion about Trump,
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that this shifts the center of gravity away from, like, people can't keep two things in their brain
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at the same time. Do you believe that? Do you believe the discussion of Mar-a-Lago and what
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this police state, the Gestapo move by the FBI? I don't, I, do I believe it's a Gestapo move by the
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FBI? 100%. From things that people who haven't been federal prosecutors wouldn't even look at or
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realize, like the 11-day delay that, I mean, I've been before many magistrates and federal judges
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on warrants for real crime, serious crime. People are going to die in a couple of days.
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They don't put down three days, four days, two days. Like, they put down, here's the word,
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forthwith. That means, yeah, get your backside out of there and get there and save those people's lives.
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You don't, you don't break into a president's home unless there's no other way to do it.
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They don't demonstrate in the affidavit, there's no other way to do it. And then,
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Yeah, hang over a second. We're going to take a short break. We're going to come back with Rudy
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Giuliani. You're absolutely correct. This is what the British and George, this is what we fought a
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revolution over, right? So the British couldn't come in and kick down your door like the FBI does.
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Short commercial break. Rudy the Great, after the break.
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Miranda Devine going to follow us, but I know you're jammed for time. I got it. Lindsey Graham
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said the other day, you know, hey, if Trump gets indicted, they're going to be riots. That hurts
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our case. And here's the reason. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're the most revered prosecutor in
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the history of New York. You're the most revered prosecutor in the history of New York. You put
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the mob away, the five families. You see the movie The Godfather, everybody? Rudy Julianne,
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the guys around the table, the five families. You see the five families? Rudy put them all in prison.
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Right? He broke up the five families. You see? You're checking her. You're checking her Italian
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bona fides. Sicilian. How Sicilian is she? Watch the knives. Watch the knives. Okay. Rudy,
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correct me if I'm wrong. Don't we have the law on our side so overwhelmingly in this fiasco,
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this farce, this presidential records spat? That's what it is. It's a spat that why is Lindsey Graham
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in these wimpy Republicans? We don't need rights. We have two-thirds of the nation.
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We have momentum. We have the policies. We got the issues. Biden's going up tomorrow to call half
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the nation, 62-thirds of the nation fascist. Bring it, Joe. Let's go. Let's roll. Why are these
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nerdy Republicans talking about they're going to be riots? Rudy Giuliani.
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Well, I'll tell you, here's the difference between us and them. And some of it has to do
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because they're led by evil people who have no morals. And we have people who question things.
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You know, we take a little time for things like, is this right? Is this wrong? And in that period of
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time, they take advantage of it. So ultimately, we're not as united. So if this had happened to
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them, right, if Trump had said they're semi-fashion, every Democrat would have said the same thing
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the next morning. Right, right, right from Scarborough and whatever her name is, who can't
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remember things. And then everybody else. Hang on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Rudy, Rudy, come on. That's
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my, come on. Mika. It's morning. You like her? You have a crush on Mika? Don't be sliding. Don't be
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sliding. No, she's brilliant. She carries the show. Come on. It's morning. It's morning Mika. It's morning
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Mika, not morning Mika. But I digress. Go ahead. The point is the same line, right? Quid pro quo.
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No quid pro quo. Sell out to Ukraine. Every one of them says it from the first guy in the morning to
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the last guy at night. Sounds amateurish. Sounds like you should almost see through it. And by the
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end of the day, they got their people on one page. And that page adds up to 40% sometimes, 38. It could
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occasionally go over 50. It could go down to 37. We come out with five different versions of it.
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You know, Lindsay is thinking about it and reading about it. Then we get, you know, from the way out,
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we get the people who were the Cheneys and the Kissingers who are still seen as Republicans.
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We get the thoughtful people. And then we get a couple of the real fighters like Jordan, right? I mean,
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he's there right in the center, just like you and I would be. He's got the best instincts, I think,
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of all of them. But we're diffuse. And in a war, I mean, that's like they're attacking our main line and
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we're saying, oh, maybe they're not really. Let's go around over here. Let's go over here. Let's go
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over here. I'd rather go here. We've got to unite this party. And that's why Trump being the voice
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is so important. And that's why they want him out. The minute Trump says something, they might as well
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not have said anything. He becomes the voice for our movement. If he says, this guy is putting out
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phony information, everybody gets their little friends and they go right to Trump and they say,
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okay, what's the phony information? And that's why they are so afraid of Trump. He is without any
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doubt, the most charismatic American politician ever. And the one who dominates the news by far
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more than anyone else. That's what they're trying to take about. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. But you
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bring it up. You're bringing up signal, not noise. I got to get to this. The reason and the audience
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used to hate it, but now I think they kind of understand what we're doing. The reason we show
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so much MSNBC, Rudy's absolutely correct. It's called wash, rinse, repeat. If you cut it on at five
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in the morning, all the way through. In fact, my young producers, even this morning, were saying
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the discipline of MSNBC and these guys is shocking. You start at five o'clock in the morning and it's
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kind of like Ailes used to run Fox, just saying. You go all the way through the day and it's the
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same message over and over. Got different people coming on and maybe they pull some different data,
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but it's over and over and over and over again. It's pure propaganda, but they know how to do it.
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And that's what's so powerful. And we're very diffused. But the point is, this is still a
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referendum on them. And the American people understand that we have to be maniacally focused
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on that. Certainly. And I'm a big advocate of Trump announcing now. I'm a big advocate of
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obviously everything you said. He's the charismatic leader of our movement. He must be defended. And not
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just that it shows you what lengths, Rudy, they will go to, to kneecap him and take him out. This is
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what the eighth time we've had to deal with this madness, but it is still a referendum. And that's
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what tomorrow they're going to try to, they're going to try to change this subject. It's all
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about anti-democracy. And here's the point. If you want to run on climate change and abortion
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and democracy, run on that baby. We'll take immigration, inflation, crime, wokeness to the
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Hispanic community and the African-American community. We'll take all in the economy. You
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get, you give us that. We'll take those issues. You have your issues. We'll see you on the evening
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Well, you're absolutely right, Steve. I mean, that, that is the formula that I could almost
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assure you will get us the house, the Senate, and probably big surprises in local areas. The
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other thing we've done that you noted earlier, and they, this, they don't really have a handle
00:23:38.020
on. We're creeping up from the swamps by the swamps. I mean, the parents, the school for the
00:23:46.380
first time, a lot of our people have understood this is local government and local government's
00:23:51.260
got a lot to do with this. And they've taken over and infiltrated our schools by understanding
00:23:56.040
it better than us. But I noticed when my son first got involved running for governor, first
00:24:01.160
thing he did is make an alliance with the parents. And it was one of the smartest things
00:24:04.340
he did. He did about 20, he did about 20 parents races. They have become now, if he wants
00:24:09.920
to stay in politics, they'll be his supporters for 50 years. But that's where it starts. You've
00:24:14.960
got to get, you got to get the people who took for granted that this country was being
00:24:18.880
run right. And just honestly, just, you know, teachers, the teachers know what to do. They
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got to get in there and find out the teachers are a captive of a communist union. The bureaucrats
00:24:31.800
know what to do. No, they don't. They also are captives of what are left leaning. That's
00:24:38.420
the nicest thing I could say about the public unions, all of whom have an allegiance to a form
00:24:44.100
of government that's different than ours. And that will destroy it. We are getting involved
00:24:49.980
No, they don't even know it. They're not, they're not contesting us. We're beating the
00:24:55.060
This is why I said at the beginning, the thing that shocked him the other night was in Florida,
00:24:58.500
the Moms for Liberty and others, this sweep of the school boards and flipping like Miami
00:25:02.580
Dade. Rudy, before I leave you, I got to, I got to bring this up. Bill Barr, I think it
00:25:06.840
was Barry Weiss. It was a great interview. We've got it up and you got to watch it. I think
00:25:11.240
I got it up on my getter account. Bill Barr was there and he was, I tell you what, he
00:25:16.040
is so terrible at every level. This guy is controlled opposition. His biggest beef in
00:25:21.300
this entire interview is that the far right of the Republican party just continues to get
00:25:27.020
people worked up. This populist movement continues to get people worked up on what's wrong in
00:25:31.180
the country. And what we should do is just have a group hug, right? And just have a group
00:25:34.800
hug and talk about sunlit uplands. And it's all going to be correct. You've gone through
00:25:39.100
a lot of cycles, Rudy, and a lot of turbulence. And you've delivered some sunlit uplands to
00:25:44.660
people through hard work. Is Bill Barr correct? Should we just back off and just go have a
00:25:48.820
group hug with the establishment Republicans and more importantly, the far left, sir?
00:25:53.940
Yeah, well, then we would be like General Conn Wallace at Appomattox. We would have given
00:25:59.680
away, we would have given away our country. And more, more even than that, we would have given
00:26:04.980
away our way of life. Hold it, hold it. You went Rudy on me. Hold it, hold it. You went Rudy on me.
00:26:09.800
General Conn Wallace at Appomattox, you got to, this is your zen master. This is Rudy as zen
00:26:14.660
master. What do you mean General Conn Wallace at Appomattox? Well, I mean, we would have given up the fight.
00:26:23.800
Like, that's the end. The reality is that they want us to descend into a group.
00:26:30.820
Well, Corn Wallace was Yorktown. Lee was Appomattox. So pick a surrender and pick a general.
00:26:36.200
Oh, oh, oh, oh. Did I say Appomattox? I'm sorry. I made a mistake. But basically, it would have been
00:26:42.540
a capitulation. A capitulation, and that's exactly what they want. And it's exactly what they have on
00:26:51.020
the part of some of our people. And the reality is, there's no reason for that. We have, they're
00:27:00.720
trying to convince us that we don't have the resources to win. We're winning this. The mere
00:27:06.900
fact that all they do is talk about us every morning on radio and television, they have nothing else to
00:27:12.900
talk about, tells us that they're deathly afraid of us. What do I do when I'm being attacked and it
00:27:19.420
isn't working? What do you do when you run a campaign and your guy's being attacked and it
00:27:23.580
isn't working? Ignore it. Ignore it. Don't take the bait. Don't take the bait. When you're getting
00:27:28.740
the hell kicked out of you, that's all you talk about. Well, they're getting the hell kicked out
00:27:33.500
of them. They are. And if we could be a little more united, this could be a nice, clean victory.
00:27:39.440
And if Giuliani could remember that it was, uh, it was cool. Cornwallis was a revolution.
00:27:45.900
Maria, Maria, where are you? Help me, baby. Help me, baby. Real quickly. What's, what's the pod?
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Give me the podcast. How do people get to the podcast?
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They go to Rudy common sense. No, Rudy Giuliani CS.com. Rudy Giuliani CS.com. Rudy, the great
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at Yorktown. I got you on. I got the great Steve Bannon on. It's doing great. And I also
00:28:11.060
have the movie on. It's coming out on September 7th. Hunter Biden, my son. Oh, I love it.
00:28:18.820
Done by Davey. It is fabulous. We got to bounce. Thank you.
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Action, action, action, action. And Jonathan O'Neill, add to that, man, I forgot,
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did a fund the FBI calls. Republican members of Congress calling the premier law enforcement
00:29:52.180
agency in America, the Gestapo, calling them communists, calling them, you know, thugs,
00:30:01.900
talking about defunding the FBI, calling them the enemy. Newt Gingrich, who's not an elected
00:30:09.820
Republican, but certainly a former Republican speaker calling FBI, proud men and women who
00:30:18.140
protect our country, protect them from drug cartels, protect them from Al Qaeda attacks,
00:30:27.800
from ISIS attacks, from human trafficking. These people who work every day to keep us safe in this
00:30:38.960
country, former Republican speaker of the House calls them wolves, saying they want to devour
00:30:44.280
Americans. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because I've only got so much time. I can
00:30:49.920
look at his punch list. The premier law enforcement entity in America. And look at what he names.
00:30:56.640
Drug cartels, are you kidding? Give me a break. Give me a break. And I can say that from being
00:31:02.620
inside the administration and having the thing. Drug cartels, are you kidding me? No checkmark.
00:31:09.540
Human trafficking, are you kidding me? And I'm not talking about making some announcement,
00:31:13.600
oh, we got 50 people on some child porn site. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Human trafficking,
00:31:19.140
are you kidding me? Have you seen the invasion of the Southern border? You see the cartels run the Rio
00:31:24.520
Grand Valley. They run they run northern Mexico and they run the southern border of the United
00:31:29.360
States. Trust me. When you talk Al Qaeda and look, the New York, the NYPD intelligence unit is the
00:31:36.620
one that stopped the 14 attacks. What under Ray Kelly and the other commissioner, right under
00:31:43.180
Bloomberg and Rudy? Stop. It was the NYPD intelligence. It wasn't the FBI. They didn't even want the FBI in the
00:31:49.200
room. And by the way, great job on 9-11. Give me Chinese Communist Party infiltration. Show me
00:31:55.000
anywhere. Show me anywhere with facts, Morning Mika, where the FBI, don't give me your nonsense. The
00:32:00.920
premier law enforcement, yes, they're a bunch of wolves and they should be defunded immediately,
00:32:06.360
hearings later. And today they're all quitting. All the whistleblowers, they should know whistleblowers
00:32:10.980
are coming out of the woodwork. We've asked the great reported columnist for the New York Post,
00:32:16.620
who is really the hero in this story to actually get this thing published. The laptop from hell and
00:32:23.040
the author of the great book to come in and give her assessment of Morning Joe and her assessment of
00:32:28.820
the FBI in developments over the last 24 to 48 hours. The great Miranda Devine. Thank you so much
00:32:35.380
for joining us. Miranda, your assessment of Morning Joe. I had to cut it off. There was another minute and a
00:32:39.600
half I couldn't take anymore. Your assessment of Morning Joe and where do we stand with this FBI
00:32:44.080
development, ma'am? Well, it's interesting that we now have journalists and media operators who are
00:32:53.520
actually defending abuse of power. That's the opposite of what journalism is supposed to be. It's
00:32:59.000
about uncovering abuse of power, exposing it, not defending it and protecting it. And what the FBI
00:33:06.520
is doing and has been doing for a long time is not its proper job. It's not down there at the border now
00:33:14.160
stopping these cartels from trafficking little children. There are videos of little children
00:33:21.440
sedated in the arms of people traffickers. Why is the FBI not there? It's just heartbreaking and
00:33:29.140
unbearable to think of what's happening to these kids once they get to their final destination.
00:33:34.960
Where is the FBI? These are terrible crimes occurring on our soil. Instead of doing those jobs that we
00:33:43.280
pay them $10 billion a year to do, they are busy raiding the former president's home and rifling through
00:33:50.960
his wife's closet. And they are obstructing any investigation into the Hunter Biden material.
00:34:00.400
We had Timothy T. Bolts, the FBI agent of 25 years, marched out of the building the other
00:34:08.720
day, supposedly retired, probably on a full pension generously. Probably, I was trying to work it out
00:34:15.360
yesterday, upwards of $80,000 a year. And he's just one. I mean, that's not going to change anything.
00:34:23.520
He's just one of the cabal of FBI employees, agents, analysts, and so on, who are politically
00:34:31.600
partisan and who are putting their thumbs on the scale of justice, have been doing this for at least
00:34:38.640
since the beginning of Trump's arrival on the public scene. I mean, even before he was president,
00:34:45.940
after he was president, they were spying on him. You just had Rudy Giuliani on. They spied on him
00:34:51.200
for two years. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's obscene, but you, you, you understand how the world
00:34:59.280
works and you can weigh and measure things. If you look at, you know, the domestic terrorism thing
00:35:05.440
about the, uh, about the, uh, the mom, you know, the parental rights movement, people, moms and dads
00:35:09.740
going to school boards. If you look at Tina Peters, a gold star mother chained up like a dog all the
00:35:14.360
way from Peter Navarro to all these, uh, uh, uh, James O'Keefe and others, many others, you know,
00:35:19.460
all the doors kicked down on all the J six stuff for the misdemeanors. And you compare that. I want
00:35:24.580
to go back to the punch list, the cartels, they're not doing anything on the cartels.
00:35:30.280
The FBI has had zero impact on the cartels. I know the cartel wars backwards and forwards have
00:35:35.700
been down there even before the Breitbart situation in 2000, what, eight or nine, you never hear about
00:35:40.880
the FBI. The FBI is not, they're not in the cartel business. They're doing a terrible job and not a job
00:35:45.980
at all in human trafficking. They, they, every now and again, you see 80 guys on some chat room,
00:35:50.380
watching some child porn. That's terrible. Don't get me wrong, but that's not the human trafficking
00:35:54.500
price. ISIS. And now, okay, give me a break. It's the NYPD intelligence units that saved New York
00:36:00.360
city. 14 times they arrest and stop people. Not one time was the FBI involved. Go ask them.
00:36:06.020
They'll tell you, they said they want the FBI out of the room, that joint terrorism task force in the
00:36:09.300
FBI. They said it just got in the way and was so politically correct. The Chinese communist
00:36:14.520
parties infiltrated the entire nation from wall street to the corporations, to Washington DC,
00:36:19.200
to the universities, nothing. Every now and again, you get some assistant professor in agronomy out
00:36:24.300
in Iowa, that stole a seed, right? It's terrible. You got some guy in a research lab with some chemist.
00:36:30.320
They do just enough to say, oh, we're doing all this. And then they just stopped it.
00:36:34.480
But Miranda Devine, as are they the premier law enforcement entity in this nation, ma'am?
00:36:40.260
Absolutely not. And I think their record shows it back a long way. Whether you look at, I mean,
00:36:47.500
yesterday was the anniversary of the death in 2007 of Richard Jewell, the hero security guard who
00:36:54.440
saved countless lives at the Atlanta Olympic bombing in 1996. And he was just smeared and framed
00:37:04.260
and monstered by the FBI because they just wanted an easy scapegoat. They were incompetent and lazy and
00:37:12.560
corrupt and evil, basically. They destroyed that man's life. He died prematurely. And, you know,
00:37:20.060
you go back to Ruby Ridge, Waco. How many disasters have there been? Just in recent times,
00:37:26.860
the Gretchen Whitmer entrapment case. That's blown up in their face. And, you know, the glimpse that we
00:37:36.380
have of this very secretive organisation and the supposed premier law enforcement officers in the
00:37:43.280
land, there was one guy there who was arrested for beating his wife. There was video of the bedroom
00:37:50.680
with blood everywhere. And he'd allegedly beaten her because she objected to his dragging her along to
00:37:58.400
a swingers party. This is one of the great FBI agents that was there in the Gretchen Whitmer case,
00:38:07.520
which the FBI created, concocted out of old cloth, so as to destroy and smear and scapegoat
00:38:16.200
some people who are so marginal, so fringe, so poor. One of them was living in a basement with
00:38:23.340
no electricity and no running water, smoking weed all day. These are the great masterminds that they
00:38:28.800
were spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean, they bribed one of their informants,
00:38:34.300
$54,000 they gave him. How much money are they wasting on these kind of wild goose chases,
00:38:40.580
which are basically all about PR exercises for the FBI?
00:38:45.180
Can you give your, your, you, people don't understand what happened here in the New York
00:38:49.300
Post. And as much as I get on the Murdochs, it was a moment of journalistic heroism of what
00:38:54.300
happened on this laptop from hell. You put your entire, you're revered, and you make a pretty
00:38:59.400
good payday. You put it all on the line, all on the line on this situation of the laptop from hell,
00:39:05.980
Hunter Biden's, and you were smeared immediately. And then FBI sitting there and went to Facebook
00:39:12.480
and Twitter also, and they knew it from December the year before, they were out to smear you and
00:39:18.580
leave you holding the bag and destroy you personally. What is your assessment of the FBI's
00:39:24.640
involvement in what is going to turn out to be a, a, a, a, a article of impeachment on Joe Biden
00:39:30.960
that's coming as sure as the turning of the earth. What was the FBI's involvement, ma'am,
00:39:36.100
in, in bringing any of this to light as the premier law enforcement, as the premier law enforcement,
00:39:42.520
uh, entity in the world. Of course, morning, Mika and Joe said, Oh, they're going to be talking about
00:39:46.600
emails and Hunter Biden's videos or anything like that. What was their involvement when you put your
00:39:51.100
entire career on the line? The New York post put their entire reputation on the line. Even the
00:39:55.900
Murdochs put their entire news operation on the line to get the information out to the American people.
00:40:00.780
in a timely manner, ma'am? Steve, I think it was extremely sinister. I think their role was,
00:40:08.580
uh, more as instigator now. Um, when you, uh, listen to the latest Joe Rogan podcast with Mark
00:40:16.220
Zuckerberg, he let slip some, uh, sort of details or nuance that, uh, wasn't so evident in his, um,
00:40:24.820
Senate testimony, uh, back in 2020. Um, he, he really, um, I guess, let the cat out of the bag
00:40:32.180
in terms of saying that, well, no, uh, the FBI didn't specifically say it was about this story,
00:40:39.760
but he didn't sound very convincing. And when I asked the FBI, uh, the, uh, Facebook, uh, for more
00:40:44.920
details on that, uh, I asked them, did the FBI brief you on Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Ukraine,
00:40:52.120
or the, or a laptop before, uh, the election? Uh, and they only replied, uh, they did not mention
00:40:59.360
Hunter Biden. So we can assume from their omissions that they did mention Joe Biden, maybe even Ukraine,
00:41:05.460
maybe even a laptop. It certainly was specific enough that Facebook knew within minutes and hours
00:41:12.540
of our story going live on October 14, 2020 to shut it down. And, uh, while Mark Zuckerberg pretends
00:41:20.200
that they weren't as bad as, uh, Twitter, they were worse because they were the first. It was Andy
00:41:26.560
Stone, uh, Facebook's communications manager, uh, a democratic operative from way back, used to work
00:41:32.880
for John Perry, Barbara Boxer, uh, by democratic super PAC. He comes out with a tweet, uh, at 11 AM.
00:41:39.600
And he says, uh, on the day of publication, he says, uh, I'm not going to link to the terrible
00:41:45.560
New York post story. Uh, but, uh, it's certainly eligible for fact checking by our so, you know,
00:41:52.600
honorable third party fact checkers who are all leftists. Um, and, uh, we are now going to, uh,
00:41:59.580
basically suppress it and Twitter followed suit. And so why did the FBI know? So in such detail,
00:42:07.660
what story was coming up weeks before our story was published, maybe even before we even knew
00:42:13.140
about the laptop before Rudy Giuliani told us, well, the FBI had been spying on Rudy Giuliani's cloud.
00:42:21.200
They had access to all his emails and all his text messages, uh, from, uh, I think it was April of,
00:42:28.920
uh, no, sorry, May of 2019. And that was one month after he became, uh, Donald Trump's personal
00:42:37.580
attorney officially. So they started spying on him. Presumably they really wanted to spy on the
00:42:43.580
president of the United States. Um, so at the time, August, uh, 26, 27, when John Paul Mac Isaac
00:42:50.780
contacted Rudy Giuliani to tell him about the laptop that Hunter Biden had abandoned in his store,
00:42:58.100
uh, in Delaware, his computer repair store, um, it back in April of 2019, um, that email that John
00:43:06.060
Paul Mac Isaac sent Rudy Giuliani would have been visible to the FBI because they were spying. So
00:43:12.440
they would have been forewarned about our story. They would have seen my communications with Rudy
00:43:17.520
Giuliani. They knew it all. So they were ready. Miranda, hang on one second. We're going to get
00:43:26.340
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Okay. Welcome back. Everybody get up on Getter. Nigel Farage actually joined yesterday. Nigel's
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going to join us on the 5 p.m. show live to talk about it on Getter and all the updates in the UK.
00:45:48.400
Want to go back to Miranda. Miranda, 51 intelligence officers signed that letter that said it was Russian
00:45:54.840
disinformation. Some of those had to check with the FBI. Was the FBI purposely pushing the Russian
00:46:00.980
disinformation lie? Obviously, they knew it was a lie back in December of 2019. Were they actively
00:46:07.260
pushing that? Well, look, circumstantial evidence tells you yes, because they managed to get that
00:46:15.860
letter together within five days of our story going live. That's a record time to get 51 people at
00:46:24.180
disparate, you know, some of them retired, some of them at different agencies, all to sign a letter
00:46:29.380
that was going to be a political bombshell. So they must have been lined up ahead of times. John Brennan
00:46:36.180
certainly played a part in that former CIA agent, sorry, leader. And so, you know, it stands to reason
00:46:44.920
that because I can't stress enough how crucial it was that the FBI had access to all of Rudy Giuliani's
00:46:52.420
communications over that period. So they knew exactly who he was talking to. They knew as the
00:46:59.340
minute pretty much he did that John Paul MacIsaac was spilling the beans. And they knew they thought
00:47:07.120
they had John Paul MacIsaac locked down. They had been menacing to him. They had threatened him when
00:47:12.620
they came to pick up the laptop. They had been extraordinarily rude to his father. And they'd taken
00:47:19.140
the laptop. They'd taken a copy of a hard drive that he'd made a clone of the laptop. And they
00:47:25.260
basically told him to keep his mouth shut. And then he didn't. You know, they gave it to the FBI
00:47:32.320
in December 2019. And then here he is in August of 2020 contacting Rudy Giuliani. So they knew then
00:47:39.280
that they had a problem that they had to shut down. I believe that is why they then preemptively went to
00:47:44.740
social media and other media organizations to warn them with enough detail of what our story would be,
00:47:52.380
or they didn't even know it would be the New York Post at that stage, to give them enough warning so
00:47:57.100
that they would recognize immediately when this story came up and shut it down. And really, you can't
00:48:02.420
blame the social media companies. If the FBI comes to you and basically instructs you that this is going
00:48:09.120
to be Russian disinformation that could damage the election and throw the election, then you kind of
00:48:14.720
have no choice but to shut it down. And so this is the FBI acting in a malign way, in a deliberate way.
00:48:21.800
And then, of course, when Rudy Giuliani was talking to me at the New York Post about getting the story
00:48:29.480
out, they knew exactly when the story was going to come out, which would also explain why Facebook was
00:48:35.180
again, immediately on guard. So I don't think any of this is a coincidence. I think it's a strategy,
00:48:42.080
and it worked very well for them. And we know that because the story was suppressed,
00:48:47.620
half the country at least didn't know about it. Biden voters, two and three, I think, had no idea
00:48:53.440
about the corruption that was revealed about the Biden family on the laptop. And, you know,
00:48:59.960
something like 40%, I think, would have changed their vote had they known. That's polls.
00:49:04.880
But yeah, no, this is why President Trump's putting up on social media right now that,
00:49:10.620
hey, we have to have another election, the thing would be reversed. It's absolutely if people had
00:49:14.700
known this. First off, the independent voters would have would have totally turned against Biden.
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They know he's compromised. It's not the hunter perversion. As bad as that is, it's the compromise
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by the Chinese Communist Party. The lap your book is still look, your reporting and your book is still
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the definitive account of this. And that's going to be I tell everybody, it's a primer for the
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impeachment hearings are going to take they're going to be impeachment hearings. This is no doubt
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the compromise. I mean, Miranda, the compromise by the Chinese Communist Party alone for money
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is absolutely shocking. There's never been any presidential candidate or any candidate for high
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office has been as compromised by our greatest enemy, Miranda Devine.
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Yes. And also the quid pro quo, that's pretty clear that Vice President, then Vice President Biden
00:49:59.420
made with Ukraine the withholding of the $1 billion of aid if they didn't fire the very
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prosecutor, Victor Shokin, who was at that moment investigating Verisma, the company that was
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paying his son, you know, $83,000 a month. They knew that that was an absolute pot potato.
00:50:17.920
And this is why therefore the impeachment happened. And the FBI knew throughout the impeachment that
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began in just after they picked up the laptop in December 2019, and went on right up until the
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pandemic broke in 2020. The FBI knew that they were sitting on it, they were they had looked at the
00:50:38.660
laptop, we know that because one of them rang John Mac Isaac, technical advice, and that there were at
00:50:44.360
least three of them in the room looking at the laptop, they knew what was on it. But it was suppressed
00:50:48.660
by these dirty agents in this cabal in Washington DC, who deliberately suppressed any information,
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including Tony Bobulinski's material, his hours of interviews that he had with the FBI.
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All of that was suppressed. Brian Orton, and Timothy T. Bolt are two FBI operatives that we've been told
00:51:10.200
about by the whistleblowers Chuck Brasley's been talking to, but there are many more, and their names
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Miranda, how do people get the book? How do they get to your reporting? Because this story is going to be
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dwarf Watergate by many orders of magnitude. How do people get to you?
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Well, and the books selling on Amazon and all good bookstores Barnes and Noble, some bookstores still
00:51:35.640
refuse to carry it, but so be it. And then you can get me on social media on Twitter, get a truth
00:51:44.240
social at Miranda Devine, also through the New York Post. And your columns are your two times a week,
00:51:59.840
Miranda Devine at the New York Times, that would be a scoop. Miranda, thank you so much. This story is absolutely
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a blockbuster. It's only going to get bigger, and we thank you for breaking it, what, a couple of years ago
00:52:11.340
and sticking with it. And it shows you the power of the story. The book's still in hardcover.
00:52:16.140
It's still selling. So when everybody's, the best primer for the impeachment is to get this as your starting point.
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Miranda Devine, thank you very much. Honored to have you on here.
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Okay, we're taking a short commercial break. We've got the great Alex Jones. We're trying to tee him up.
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