Bannon's War Room - Episode 2530： Who Made The Decision To Burn In Ohio; biden Travels To Ukraine

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:10.440 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:17.040 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:20.800 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.380 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.200 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:40.140 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

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00:01:24.380 That dark night, one year ago, the world was literally at the time bracing for the fall

00:01:50.140 of Kyiv. Seems like a lot longer ago than a year, but think back to that year. Perhaps even the end

00:01:59.100 of Ukraine. You know, one year later, Kyiv stands, and Ukraine stands, democracy stands,

00:02:12.520 the Americans stand with you, and the world stands with you. Kyiv has captured a part of my heart,

00:02:20.080 I must say. I've come here six times as vice president, once as president. Remind us that

00:02:28.360 freedom is priceless. It's worth fighting for for as long as it takes, and that's how long we're

00:02:37.860 going to be with you, Mr. President, for as long as it takes. We will do it. Thank you.

00:02:51.080 This week marks one year of Ukrainians fighting tirelessly for their right to exist. The sheer

00:02:57.200 cost of this war is almost unfathomable. The United Nations Refugee Agency says over 18 million people

00:03:02.960 have been forced to flee that country since the war began, and more than 7,000 Ukrainian civilians

00:03:08.240 have died, including hundreds of children. An Associated Press investigation estimates the

00:03:12.940 death toll to be significantly higher. It found as many as 25,000 people may have died in Mariupol

00:03:17.920 alone. Measuring losses on the battlefield also proves difficulty. The Zelensky government says

00:03:25.200 as many as 13,000 troops have been killed in action, while the UK's Ministry of Defense

00:03:28.880 estimates as many as 60,000 Russians could have died. Western countries stepped up their support

00:03:34.900 to Ukraine over the past year. In the early days of the war, Americans, ordinary Americans' desire to

00:03:40.240 help was unending. Blue and yellow Ukrainian flags were in the windows of cars and homes across the

00:03:45.500 country. And so far, the US has pledged more than $29 billion of military aid. But we are a country

00:03:51.760 well familiar with and fatigued by forever wars of our own, and so that support for Ukraine seems to

00:03:57.260 have waned in recent months. In fact, House Republicans recently co-signed a Ukraine fatigue resolution

00:04:02.720 calling for the US to end military and financial aid to Ukraine. And a new AP poll finds that 48% of

00:04:10.060 all Americans support providing weapons to Ukraine, down from 60% in May of last year.

00:04:15.700 Crossing a red line the US has set. Blinken met face-to-face this week with his Chinese counterpart

00:04:21.480 in Munich. The two officials spoke for just over an hour, where the State Department says

00:04:25.940 Blinken warned of the, quote, implications and consequences if China provides support to Russia.

00:04:33.580 Saturday's meeting was also the first between the two sides since the United States

00:04:37.420 shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon off the coast of South Carolina earlier this month.

00:04:44.160 According to the State Department, Blinken told his counterpart on Saturday that the US will not

00:04:50.040 stand for any violation of our sovereignty. China, for its part, continues to deny the balloon was sent

00:04:56.580 for surveillance purposes. During Saturday's meeting, the State Department said China also made

00:05:02.120 irresponsible and unfounded accusations against the US. Also, no apology for that balloon.

00:05:09.400 And we're learning more about the path of that suspected spy balloon. According to one current

00:05:14.960 and one former US official familiar with the matter, the balloon was launched from China's

00:05:19.960 Hienan Island in the southern part of the country. The island is an important hub for China's military,

00:05:26.360 housing a large submarine base and a spaceport. After being launched, the balloon entered US

00:05:32.600 airspace over Alaska before eventually floating across the country, ultimately being brought down

00:05:38.200 just off the coast of South Carolina. And while we're learning more about that suspected Chinese

00:05:44.440 spy balloon, the Department of Defense has called off efforts to recover debris from the other

00:05:50.040 unidentified flying objects shot down earlier this month. After a week of searching, defense officials have

00:05:55.800 ended operations off the coast of Alaska and near Lake Huron. No debris from the objects were found, with

00:06:02.760 officials citing harsh weather conditions in the regions. Another object was also shot down in Canada's

00:06:08.920 Yukon territory. Defense officials have not provided update on that particular search.

00:06:14.440 We've had about $85 billion worth of assistance poured in immediately for housing, water and food and

00:06:25.960 medicine and clothing. All that in the immediate days following the earthquake. Today, I can announce

00:06:32.280 that we will be putting in another $100 million to assist those who are so desperately in need.

00:06:39.160 I'm trying to have it both ways. Publicly, they present themselves as a country striving for peace in

00:06:47.240 Ukraine. But privately, as I said, we've seen already over these past months, the provision of

00:06:54.680 nonlethal assistance that does go directly to aiding and abetting Russia's war effort. And some further

00:07:01.800 information that we are sharing today, and that I think will be out there soon, that indicates that

00:07:09.000 they are strongly considering providing lethal assistance to Russia.

00:07:17.800 Now, no further details on what the US means by that lethal assistance. I was speaking to a Ukrainian

00:07:25.480 official for his take on the support there at the Munich Security Conference. He said that he was very

00:07:31.960 pleased with that show of support from Ukraine's allies. He said he heard from ally after ally saying

00:07:39.160 that they will support Ukraine to the end. But the big question in his mind and many Ukrainians' minds is

00:07:46.120 what do the allies mean when they say they're going to support Ukraine to the end? What is the end in the eyes of

00:07:52.760 of the Western world? This as war continues to rage on in the east? There's that much vaunted Russian 1.00

00:08:03.560 offensive. Although this Ukrainian official telling me that at this point, it's unclear if Russia has

00:08:09.880 enough manpower, if Russia has enough equipment there in the east to wage a serious offensive. He said that

00:08:17.400 that's completely unclear at this point, Alex. Well, we need the answers. That's for sure. Thank you,

00:08:22.520 Erin McLaughlin. We're going to talk. And there is no doubt. These are crimes against humanity.

00:08:33.080 The United States has formally determined

00:08:48.920 that Russia has committed crimes against humanity. And I say to all those who have perpetrated these crimes 0.92

00:09:01.240 crimes and to their superiors who are complicit in these crimes, you will be held to account.

00:09:19.080 In the face of these indisputable facts, to all of us here in Munich,

00:09:27.400 let us renew our commitment to accountability. Let us renew our commitment to the rule of law.

00:09:45.400 Okay, I agree with that. It's Monday, 20 February, the year of our law, 2023. What I agree with is

00:09:49.880 accountability. Let's do it. A lot going on. That is Kamala Harris, Vice President of the United States, 0.99

00:09:55.720 formally determining, formally announcing on Saturday at the Munich Arms Dealers Conference that

00:10:04.840 we have formally determined, the United States of America has formally determined that the Russians

00:10:09.000 and have committed to war crimes, crimes against humanity in Ukraine that kicked off everything.

00:10:14.440 Joe Biden at his capital today in Kyiv, in Ukraine, talking about an open-ended commitment

00:10:20.280 as long as it takes, whereas Secretary of State Blinken kowtows to the Chinese Communist Party and kind

00:10:26.040 of bleats out what the war room told you a year ago when this war started, that the Chinese Communist

00:10:31.320 Party is their partner. They cut the deal over the Olympics. And what the Chinese Communist Party

00:10:36.920 told them was that we're going to give you non-lethal aid at first, and then we're going to give you

00:10:41.560 arms later. That's been going on now for over a year. Blinken finally announces it.

00:10:45.640 Of course, he's there at $175 million, giving money to the Turks, Erdogan, no friend of the United 0.84

00:10:52.520 States, and the Syrians, who are an enemy of the United States, giving $175 million to Turkey 0.59

00:10:57.080 and to Syria with not one penny, to East Palestine, Ohio. Of course, the EPA administrator,

00:11:06.680 the head guy, the chief, the head guy, Michael Regan, has left over the weekend to go to Africa on a

00:11:12.520 seven-day tour for climate change with a bunch of celebrities. Steve Cortez, let me get, we've got

00:11:18.920 Leahy and Jeffrey Clark going to join us shortly to talk about East Palestine. Brother Cortez,

00:11:26.920 you see the whole thing this week, and it's all out there right now. And by the way, the phony air

00:11:31.000 raid siren like Joe Biden is Winston Churchill with Zelensky. It's so performative. It's so funny.

00:11:37.880 And I hope people are getting a belly full of this. Mr. Cortez. Well, I certainly think they are.

00:11:43.000 It's very remarkable and stark and insulting that Joe Biden is spending President's Day not in East

00:11:49.960 Palestine, Ohio, where he most belongs, but not even at a place like, say, Mount Rushmore or Mount Vernon.

00:11:55.880 No, instead, he is spending it overseas in Kiev, a place where he has been needlessly escalating a war

00:12:02.280 that involves no definable, discernible U.S. national security interest. And he dares to go over there

00:12:08.520 on President's Day to cater to a megalomaniac, Zelensky, who apparently has taken some time out

00:12:15.960 between his Vogue photo shoots to do another photo-op opportunity with Joe Biden. And mind you,

00:12:23.480 by the way, not only are we escalating this war massively, but at the same time, concurrently,

00:12:29.000 the oligarchs here in the United States are also planning that the people of the United States

00:12:33.640 are going to pay to repair the damage that has been wrought and will be wrought by this escalation.

00:12:39.560 Specifically, what I mean by that, J.P. Morgan, BlackRock, I'm sure there will be others, but those

00:12:43.640 are the biggest two. Both of them have already come to terms of agreements for multi-billion dollar

00:12:49.880 rebuilding efforts, which, mind you, will be paid for by the American taxpayers. So not only are we taking

00:12:56.280 just untenable, reckless risks with the second biggest nuclear power on Earth over a country

00:13:03.080 and a region which, thankfully, is immaterial to the United States. But on top of those massive risks,

00:13:08.120 Steve, we're also paying for it. And here's the kicker on that aspect of this crisis. We're paying

00:13:14.040 for it with money that we are borrowing. We don't have this money. The American taxpayer is borrowing

00:13:19.400 this money at extremely elevated interest rates compared to where they were when Joe Biden took office.

00:13:24.440 At rising interest rates, we are borrowing this money to recklessly escalate a war in which we

00:13:29.720 have no definable U.S. national interest. And Biden chooses to go there on President's Day.

00:13:36.440 By the way, Steve, before we go to break, on Thursday, just a couple of days ago,

00:13:40.520 the New York Times publishes the CBO report, not the Steve Cortez, Steve Bannon, Gateway Pundit,

00:13:46.120 and Breitbart report, but the Congressional Budget Office, $19 trillion will be added to the $32 trillion

00:13:52.440 in the next 10 years minimum that gets you over 50, right? And they basically say it's not

00:13:57.480 sustainable. It's not even close. This doesn't include the open-ended commitment to Ukraine.

00:14:02.600 Are we now left the world of rationality? Is this now insanity, Steve Cortez?

00:14:08.760 And in terms of that open-ended nature, you know, over the weekend, this is really incredible. Kirby

00:14:13.800 from the White House, a White House spokesman, actually said there is no calendar, there is no

00:14:18.760 timeline, there is no plan. You know, Steve, as you and I have been saying, okay, if this is as

00:14:23.160 important as they claim it is, then show us your work, okay, what any good math teacher does. Show us

00:14:28.120 your work. Show us your plan. How is this going to end? What is the timeline? All of those questions.

00:14:33.240 Yeah. Perfect. Cortez, hang on. You're going to be with me for the first hour riding shotgun. We've

00:14:40.760 got a lot to go through. Joe Biden's in his capital in Ukraine, loving up, rubbing up on Zelensky.

00:14:47.320 Big old open checkbook. No wonder Zelensky loves it. Big old open checkbook. Your money, right? His

00:14:53.560 promises, your money. Next is Leahy and Clark on East. Despite the U.S. blowing through $31.4 trillion

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00:16:23.440 agency. Devastating to this community, and I want to make sure you understand I am terribly sorry

00:16:30.300 that this happened to the community. Norfolk Southern is fully committed to doing what's right

00:16:36.640 for this community. Shaw says he was at the meeting in person on the Monday after the derailment

00:16:42.620 in which the decision for a controlled release was made. And what was his reaction when he saw the

00:16:48.740 result in the cloud of smoke rising into the sky? Frankly, that told us that there was success and

00:16:55.680 that the opportunity for a much riskier event occurred because of what was in the railcars.

00:17:04.760 Shaw says Norfolk Southern is offering $1,000 a person to everyone in the 44413 zip code

00:17:12.300 and in Beaver County's evacuation zone. Are you making them sign documents to tell people that

00:17:18.200 they won't sue further or they can't ask for more money? No, not at all. All they have to do

00:17:23.680 is sign their name and say they've received $1,000. Shaw is pleased with the cleanup so far.

00:17:29.920 We're making a lot of progress. He could not say, however, where the soil and liquids being collected

00:17:35.140 are being shipped off to. We're taking it to landfills that are designed to handle that type of

00:17:41.420 material. What city and state? I don't have that information. You don't know where they're going?

00:17:45.780 No. On the matter of people like Donald Trump and Aaron Brockovich coming to East Palestine?

00:17:50.480 You know, I understand why this has created a lot of national attention, right? I understand that

00:17:58.300 completely. And when asked about the calls for stricter regulations on the railroad industry,

00:18:03.680 Shaw said to wait on the report from the National Transportation Safety Board.

00:18:07.700 All the misinformation out there that's really causing a lot of issues, frankly, for the people

00:18:14.400 of this community. You know, we support the NTSB's investigation. What we're trying to do is work

00:18:21.280 really closely with the local leaders on the environmental remediation, getting information

00:18:27.840 right, data-based, science-based information.

00:18:31.320 Data-based, science-based, this is still an evidence-based thing. They're just,

00:18:37.240 they're comms guys just grifting, lifting right from the worm. Okay. We got, by the way,

00:18:42.500 it's President's Day, Monday, 20 Feb. There's no days off in the worm. Glad to have the entire

00:18:47.180 audience here on watch. I got Leahy and Clark. I want to start. So the Daily Mail, Leahy, the Daily

00:18:53.320 Mail reported over the weekend that he had actually made the decision. Now, when you actually look at the

00:18:59.060 the actual interview they talked about, that he was there when the decision was made, there's still not a

00:19:04.840 precision of language. He was there when the decision was made, right? So it's still, it's still very fishy

00:19:11.660 about what's going on. Of course, he has no specifics on anything. Michael Patrick Leahy.

00:19:18.560 Yeah, I caught the same thing, Steve. Alan Shaw, the CEO of Norfolk Southern, did break some news up there

00:19:25.180 in East Palestine in a very controlled environment. He didn't show up for the town hall meeting. He was

00:19:30.540 there inside that one little building there for that TV interview and then scooted out of town,

00:19:36.480 went back to Atlanta, his home in Atlanta. Yeah, he was in the person in the meeting when on Monday,

00:19:43.800 that is in February 5th, the day before they did the controlled burn, he was in the meeting when the

00:19:50.860 decision was made. Where was the meeting? Was it in Atlanta, where he, where his headquarters are? Was it in

00:19:59.160 Columbus, Ohio, where Governor DeWine has his offices? Was it in East Palestine, Ohio? Was the on-site EPA

00:20:07.560 coordinator, who has the legal authority to make that decision, was he there as well? Imprecision. So we're going to

00:20:16.160 want to find out where that meeting was held. My guess, it was probably in Columbus, Ohio, but we'll

00:20:21.320 find that out. Well, we know that he was not in East Palestine on the 5th. That's a, that's a,

00:20:27.360 that's demonstrable fact. I know the days he was there. And he says, oh, I know why it's gotten

00:20:31.380 national attention. Well, dude, if you knew what's getting national attention, if you had camped out

00:20:35.120 there and gotten on top of things, there wouldn't be this problem, right? You wouldn't be this

00:20:40.160 problem. And if you had the evidence and the math, would Steve Cortez show us your work? Lay he hang on for a

00:20:45.580 second because I've got, so Clark, come in here. The people should understand, inside the administrative

00:20:51.320 state, the EPA is like the Waffen-SS when it comes to anything related to Mother, to Gaia, to Mother

00:21:00.060 Earth. I mean, they're in your grill on every topic and they don't back off, okay? Clark, am I

00:21:06.220 correct on that? Here you got the chief guy, the administrators in Africa on a seven-day, he flew

00:21:11.920 out Saturday. He kind of gave him the middle finger, I'm out of here. They sent, after Trump

00:21:17.240 announced on Friday, as we've been saying, President Trump should go there. When Trump announced on

00:21:21.320 Friday, the FEMA said, oh, we're going to send a couple of guys out there to start coordinating

00:21:25.960 stuff. Of course, they did give $185 million to Turkey and Erdogan is no friend of the United States.

00:21:34.940 He's in partnership with the CCP, with the Mullahs in Iran, with the Saudis and with the Russians

00:21:40.660 trying to control the Eurasian landmass, and Syria. $185 million, ladies and gentlemen,

00:21:46.040 not one penny to East Palestine. So, Clark, where did this meeting take place? You are

00:21:53.500 the expert, you were just as you oversaw this, the administrator and the on-scene commander

00:21:59.260 of the Waffen-SS slash EPA. They're the ones that have the authority, right? Am I incorrect

00:22:06.860 enough? They're the ones that have the authority to make decisions like a controlled release

00:22:11.300 and a controlled burn to clean this thing up. Jeff Clark.

00:22:16.560 Well, Steve, happy President's Day. It's sad that we have to be here talking about this and about

00:22:22.060 all the failures of competence in the Biden administration. We got the EPA administrator

00:22:27.700 in Africa, as you noted. There's still confusion about who did what. But yes, I haven't seen a

00:22:33.760 situation in which the federal on-scene coordinator, who typically becomes the incident commander

00:22:41.020 at the top of a unified command, is not for something land-based like this EPA. In doing some

00:22:49.340 hunting around, I was able to find that Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania actually had referenced

00:22:55.920 that a unified command was set up. And Daniel Patrick Leahy, he's probably seen this quotation.

00:23:01.540 This is from Shapiro's press release. He said that officials from Norfolk Southern separated

00:23:09.180 themselves from local agencies at the scene to act independently, which caused the unified command

00:23:15.340 to experience issues throughout the emergency response. And that makes it pretty clear to me

00:23:21.960 that what was in the Daily Mail story, where the CEO of Norfolk Southern was admitting that he made this

00:23:29.900 call, that somehow they pulled themselves away from the unified command, and they made this decision.

00:23:35.960 And that raises not just serious issues for Norfolk Southern. That's going to be a big liability bill

00:23:40.880 at the end of the day for what he admitted. And I can't believe they let him admit that to the Daily Mail.

00:23:45.860 But also, it raises serious concerns about the competence of the EPA officials. Why are there EPA officials

00:23:53.740 who didn't immediately say, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't go off and make this decision on your

00:23:58.380 own? You know, a kind of classic Al Haig, but Al Haig with with legal authority. I'm the one who's in

00:24:04.120 charge here. Me, you know, we at EPA. And it doesn't seem like that happened. And Shapiro seems to know

00:24:10.960 where the bodies are buried on that, Steve.

00:24:14.800 Clark, let me ask you a question, because you had to tussle with these guys every day.

00:24:18.240 Does the EPA, in your dealing with them, ever back off situations dealing with the environment or dealing

00:24:24.620 with these type of hazardous materials or what could be hazardous, turn, take materials and turn them

00:24:29.740 into hazardous materials? Have you ever seen in your working with the EPA, quote unquote, where they back

00:24:35.240 off when they have jurisdiction? That's their jurisdiction, correct, sir?

00:24:40.220 That's right. I mean, they're very grabby, and they're tenacious. And, you know, as I'd said

00:24:46.220 earlier, they just don't stop. You know, they keep going.

00:24:55.060 Could you do me a favor and just let's repeat what Josh Shapiro said in his press?

00:24:59.660 Just off the clock? Okay, fine. The EPA or somebody, the goblins are out to get us.

00:25:05.740 Leahy, that was so good. Leahy, we now know that they broke themselves off from it. But the

00:25:15.120 unified commander looks like they didn't step up. He's admitting, because Mike DeWine says he didn't

00:25:21.140 make the decision. Mike DeWine said they supported the decision. It's looking more and more that this

00:25:27.600 decision was made by executives of Norfolk Southern that had no jurisdiction to make this

00:25:33.180 decision for the citizens of East Palestine, Ohio, the rest of the citizens of Ohio, the citizens of the

00:25:40.340 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and anybody living in the Ohio River Valley, or quite frankly, the eastern

00:25:46.320 United States where this stuff's going to blow. Am I incorrect in that, sir?

00:25:50.840 We don't have any straight answers on who made that decision, ultimately. Jeffrey Clark, as always,

00:25:57.380 had some great information there from Governor Shapiro, who stated that the unified command

00:26:04.440 was apparently somewhere in East Palestine area and that Norfolk Southern, he claims, separated from

00:26:10.900 them. But then we have on tape the CEO of Norfolk Southern, Alan Shaw, saying on Saturday he was in

00:26:20.540 the room on the Monday, February 5th, when the decision to take the controlled burn of vinyl chloride

00:26:29.240 was made. Where was that room? And who made that decision? A follow-up on the EPA, Steve, we've been

00:26:39.400 asking them now since last Tuesday for the name of the on-site coordinator who made that decision,

00:26:47.660 who was responsible for that, and for the document. I checked just this morning with our reporter there,

00:26:54.280 Hannah Poling. On Saturday, they acknowledged once again they'd received our inquiry, but no response

00:27:00.940 from them as of Saturday. And of course, it's the President's Day, so they have the day off today.

00:27:06.080 So we're not going to get a response from them today either on that.

00:27:11.580 Hang on for one second. Let me bring in Cortez. We're trying to get Jeff Clark back up.

00:27:15.660 Cortez, this is a big screw you, right? The reason that we're running around trying to get it is nobody

00:27:19.880 wants to take responsibility now because they didn't care at the time. It's just working-class 1.00

00:27:25.140 trash in East Palestine, right? We've got to get the rail cards up and open the train. Am I 0.98

00:27:32.320 incorrect in what this looks like, sir? No, Steve, total dereliction of duty, total abdication by people

00:27:38.920 who are supposed to be in positions of leadership, both in the private sector as well as the public

00:27:43.700 sector. And let me just give you one concrete example of what should be going on right now.

00:27:47.600 Governor DeWine, EP Administrator Regan, Transportation Secretary Buttigieg. All three

00:27:52.340 of them should be living and working right now in East Palestine. And they should be drinking the 1.00

00:27:57.500 water if they tell us that it's safe and doing it on camera.

00:28:03.540 Steve, hang on. We've got a lot more to get to. We've got Clark back up. We're going to get to him.

00:28:07.760 Leahy's going to hang around. It's East Palestine in Kiev, Ukraine, just morning in the war room.

00:28:14.160 A tale of two cities. Back in a moment.

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00:30:15.800 $2.48 or something. Okay, we got Jeffrey Clark back. Jeff, can you just redo the Shapiro?

00:30:22.760 Shapiro. This is the tale of two cities. I want to talk about the first East Palestine

00:30:27.520 right now. Give me about governor. And by the way, everybody understands. Because we've been

00:30:32.100 on Shapiro's case from day one. Shapiro, the only thing he thinks of every day is his inaugural

00:30:38.460 address when he's president of the United States. So this guy's got wild ambitions. And this

00:30:43.220 is a big deal. And he knows it's a big deal, right? He's treating it like a big deal, as he

00:30:48.300 should. Walk me through his press release, which we call distancing, right, Jeff Clark.

00:30:54.800 That's right. Extreme distancing. And sorry, I had the webcam thing. Maybe EPA sent some

00:31:00.160 gremlins to my house. But back on audio here. So here's the quotation from the press release. But

00:31:07.180 then I have three, four other paragraphs that are worth reading from the same press release. It's up on

00:31:11.760 the governor's website. So he says, officials said Norfolk Southern personnel separated themselves

00:31:18.620 from local agencies at the scene to act independently, which caused the unified command

00:31:24.200 to experience issues throughout the emergency response. And it gets even better, actually.

00:31:30.200 He said that Norfolk Southern, this is from the press release again, a quotation, Norfolk Southern

00:31:35.060 staff made their own plan without coordinating with state agencies, forcing those agencies to react

00:31:40.700 without knowing the plan's details. He then wrote that Norfolk Southern gave inaccurate information

00:31:46.340 and conflicting modeling about the impact of the controlled release of chemicals, which made it

00:31:51.520 harder for the state to protect people in the immediate aftermath of the derailment. He was

00:31:56.580 particularly critical of information. This is all from a letter the government wrote that's being

00:32:00.560 recounted in this press release. Particularly critical of information provided about the controlled

00:32:06.000 explosion on February 6th. He said the company didn't forewarn agencies initially of

00:32:10.680 the intention to vent and burn all five rail cars that contained vinyl chloride, or inform local or

00:32:16.720 state authorities how many rail cars contributed to the hazardous chemical.

00:32:20.920 Oh, hang on. Stop, stop. No, no. Stop, stop. That's too good. That's too good. He's literally,

00:32:27.320 his comm staff is watching the war room and just taking our lines. Read that one back to me one more time.

00:32:32.820 That is what we call in the business a kill shot. Give me that line one more time. I can't get enough of this.

00:32:38.280 This is, yeah, he, this is from the press release of the governor talking about his own letter to

00:32:43.260 Norfolk Southern. He was particularly critical of information provided about the controlled

00:32:47.380 explosion, I'm sorry, on February 6th. He said the company didn't forewarn agencies initially of their

00:32:53.660 intention to vent and burn all five rail cars that contained vinyl chloride, or inform local or state

00:32:59.880 authorities how many rail cars contributed to the hazardous chemical.

00:33:02.900 So, you know, Steve, Shapiro is really dumping, uh, on them. And, uh, you know, the, the unified

00:33:13.480 command, which he points to here, and I'm not seeing EPA even referencing the fact that a unified

00:33:18.560 command was established. He said that they were cut out of this process and that Norfolk Southern

00:33:23.560 made the decision, which is really bad for North Norfolk Southern. But also, obviously it's terrible

00:33:28.780 for EPA. Why is EPA not running the unified command? And if they try to get fenced out by Norfolk

00:33:34.660 Southern, why don't they butt back in and say, you don't realize, you know, we're the government,

00:33:38.540 we're in charge here. It boggles the mind.

00:33:42.740 Let me, and I realized we got to get to Leahy and Cortez. We got to get to the bottom of the chain

00:33:47.460 of command in the timeline. But, but Clark, you were over at justice for president Trump. This was your

00:33:53.140 lineup. This is your line of country. When is it? There's one thing about civil liability and open

00:33:59.180 ended when you're just this kind of reckless endangerment. But when does this cross over

00:34:04.860 right there? Shapiro's line is brutal. If they hid that in, in taking, in taking responsibility and

00:34:11.660 remember the pressure was to clear the tracks, to clear the tracks, to get the, get the tracks running

00:34:18.140 again. If Shaw and these guys took it upon themselves and didn't share the information,

00:34:24.040 we keep saying, because they didn't share their information because they never ran the model.

00:34:27.180 They never looked at what it would do. This is why. Doesn't that start to segue over to criminal

00:34:34.680 liability for reckless endangerment of the good citizens of East Palestine, Ohio, plus the Ohio River

00:34:41.680 Valley, Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth, the Eastern Seaboard of the United States. At some point in time,

00:34:47.840 don't you cross that line from civil to criminal, sir?

00:34:52.840 Yes, Steve. I mean, here, what you would do is you would establish a criminal task force,

00:34:59.100 which would be multi-agency, you know, for consultation purposes with the Justice Department.

00:35:04.320 The Justice Department obviously holds the key hand on whether to bring criminal charges.

00:35:10.020 I think you would send a shot across their bow. You'd do some saber rattling that we're going to be 0.98

00:35:15.580 looking at this. And you'd really send some very fast document preservation

00:35:21.500 orders to Norfolk Southern. And indeed, I think to the, to the state and local agencies too,

00:35:28.940 because I found a reference in one of DeWine's press releases that, you know, he thinks the unified

00:35:36.160 commander was the local fire chief, this guy Drabik, which really also boggles my mind. I don't

00:35:42.580 understand how, if you have EPA on, on site within five hours or so, then why is an EPA running this?

00:35:49.920 That's okay. Mike DeWine is one of the savviest guys in this country. He's a total worm. He's one

00:35:55.000 of the savviest guys in this country. Okay. When he's, when he's dumping it on the local fire chief,

00:36:00.500 that's just a, that's just, that's a mystery. As you know, Clark, you've seen, that's a misdirection

00:36:04.800 play. Cortez, let me get your voice in here. You're seeing it now. And people should understand

00:36:09.360 to get to the bottom and protect the people in East Palestine, Ohio. You got to get to the bottom

00:36:15.520 of this. They're running around about the derailment, the derailment, let the national

00:36:19.020 safety board and get booted. Yeah. The derailment's the derailment, but they're derailments all the

00:36:23.220 time. It's, and I'm not, I'm not saying that's great. That's terrible. We got to get to the bottom

00:36:27.600 of that, but it's not the derailment. It's what this company did and what EPA allowed them to do and

00:36:33.320 what other government authorities would pay $6 trillion as fricking government every year. EPA is in your

00:36:38.240 grill. They're like the Wathen SS in your backyard. You got a Creek. They're all over you. Don't let

00:36:43.560 the kids water the, what are the petunias? We're going to put the kids in prison, right? They're 0.99

00:36:48.040 there everywhere except when it's, except when it's dealing with folks, working class folks in East 0.98

00:36:53.580 Palestine, Ohio, Steve Cortez. Oh, exactly right. Dealing with what actually matters, right? Actually

00:36:59.180 protecting people's health. You know, if you, if you happen to have a puddle in the parking lot of

00:37:03.980 your factory, EPA will declare it a wetland and make your life hell if you're a small business

00:37:08.580 owner. But when it comes to doing their actual job, they are AWOL right now. You know, I mentioned

00:37:12.540 all those politicians from Ohio and Washington, D.C. who aren't there. Thankfully, J.D. Vance

00:37:16.920 hasn't been there on the scene advocating strongly for the people of Ohio. But I also want to talk

00:37:21.580 about the private sector responsibility here. And you showed and talked about Alan Shaw, the CEO

00:37:26.960 of Norfolk Southern. So, you know, who is he and what is he doing so far? Well, Alan Shaw made,

00:37:32.220 according to the Daily Mail, $4.3 million as a CEO last year. He lives in a $4 million house in

00:37:39.140 Georgia. They say he owns 20 total properties in Georgia and the surrounding area. Now, I have no

00:37:43.740 problems, of course, with his success, but I have enormous problems with him ignoring his

00:37:49.420 responsibilities because attendant to those rewards and the perquisites that come with being the CEO of

00:37:55.540 this major public company, attendant to that are grave responsibilities when your company is in the

00:38:01.140 middle of a crisis like this. And pontificating from hundreds of miles away outside of your

00:38:08.360 mansion and saying, I'm going to give the people of East Palestine $1,000 each is simply not going to

00:38:14.860 cut it. You know, Steve, let me give some free, I'm in the realm of communications, let me give some

00:38:18.980 free comms advice to Alan Shaw. Get on the ground there. Get serious, full transparency. Stop making

00:38:27.460 insultingly low monetary offers to the people of East Palestine. There is an, again, it's a dereliction

00:38:33.200 of duty. It's an abdication of leadership, not just from the public sector, that's most important,

00:38:37.480 but also here from the private sector. And if Alan Shaw doesn't start doing the right thing, Steve,

00:38:42.220 I think we need to make this fan, man, famous. And by famous, I mean infamous, okay? Because the buck

00:38:47.640 stops with him. And as you're pointing out here, it increasingly looks like this was a Norfolk Southern

00:38:52.200 decision without much consultation outside of them. So they ultimately, if that is in fact the case,

00:38:58.280 bear the ultimate primary responsibility for what has happened there. They are sure not acting like

00:39:03.440 it right now, especially the leader, CEO, Alan Shaw. You know, Merrick Garland, he would have, you know,

00:39:10.180 he has, he has the FBI, the Gestapo kicking down doors of every person that prayed a rosary outside of

00:39:15.520 an abortion center or parents going to school board meetings because they don't want freaks, 0.97

00:39:21.000 uh, you know, grooming their children. Right. But because those parents would happen to be

00:39:25.980 domestic terrorists. So we can't expect anything out of him, but Hey, let me get Cortez just gave

00:39:31.080 the corporations free advice. Let me give the local, uh, there's a young prosecutor that can hear my

00:39:36.120 voice anywhere in the greater East Palestine, Ohio area. Hey, how about this? I mean, no, it's

00:39:42.300 president day, but tomorrow morning and panel a grand jury and announce you're impaneling a grand jury

00:39:47.080 and let's bring brother Shaw up there and have him testify on Tuesday afternoon. Let's get the

00:39:51.960 facts on the table. It is unacceptable. 20th. We're 15 days out of this and we've had Leahy,

00:39:58.580 ourselves, Clark and others now all over it. And every day, the truth comes out a little bit,

00:40:03.060 right? But it's like Rashomon, right? It's like the movie. Everybody's got a different perspective.

00:40:07.000 We need a timeline. We need who was in charge, who made the decisions. We need all the, uh,

00:40:13.260 you know, analysis. We don't need, we don't need to read it out of a Josh Shapiro and Josh

00:40:16.800 Shapiro is trying to distance himself from this fiasco, uh, saying that, uh, by the way,

00:40:21.460 who Josh Shapiro, I believe in his earlier comments for right on early on was kind of supportive,

00:40:27.800 right? Until he saw the heat coming, right? That they need to a panel, a grand jury right now

00:40:33.200 and start bringing some guys in just to get the facts. You think you're going to get any facts

00:40:36.760 of these guys, unless you press them, you're not going to get one fact. You know why?

00:40:40.840 Because let me repeat this. The backbone of this nation, the Patriots and the citizens in East

00:40:48.140 Palestine, Ohio, which is representative of small towns and hamlets and villages throughout this

00:40:53.820 country that have made this country what it is, right? They are nothing but disposable trash to the 1.00

00:41:00.660 corporate interest, to the wall street interest, to the corporate media interest, right? It's 0.99

00:41:06.000 unacceptable. You have ABC, CNN, and you guys haven't gotten this story down in the

00:41:10.780 15 that you were embarrassed and humiliated because it was citizen journalists out there

00:41:14.680 on, on the, you know, excuse me, the extremist on the far right, right? Like Sorter, like Nick Sorter

00:41:20.460 and many others who were out there doing this and covering this and having the voices and Benny

00:41:26.260 Johnson, the great Benny Johnson's out there yesterday, given thousand dollar checks out of

00:41:30.920 his own pocket to the 20 people that live right by, that live right by that where the explosion went.

00:41:36.000 So for the no Shaw, listen, here's the bottom line. They did no analysis. All they were under

00:41:41.800 pressure to do. And this is why a worm like Shaw is the, he's the classic CEO today, right? He's not 0.91

00:41:48.640 going to do the right thing. He's going to do the expedient thing. And the expedient thing was to get

00:41:53.340 the tankers emptied and burn it. Okay. He asked his guys, what's the course they do? I said, we'll dump

00:41:58.360 and dig a ditch. We'll unload it from a ditch, burn, put it in the ditch and we'll light it on fire. And 0.98

00:42:03.100 he's got the gall to sit there and go, I knew we were successful when I saw the black plume that looked 1.00

00:42:08.900 like the end of days. It looked like the end of St. John's, uh, the, the, the apocalypse or book of

00:42:14.420 revelations. He's got a plume going up. It looks like a nuclear weapons gone off. That's when I knew,

00:42:19.460 that's when I knew, uh, we were successful. I tell you what he should do. Cortez, you got to

00:42:24.840 call him first and give him a couple of recommendations on crisis communications guys

00:42:29.040 that maybe we'll just refine his pitch. Right. Do you, I don't think that, is that the right

00:42:33.680 pitch? The success when I saw the plume, I knew, I knew all the FOS gene. I knew the FOS gene was,

00:42:39.820 I knew the FOS gene was going brother Cortez. Definitely not the right pitch. You know,

00:42:44.020 and I say this for somebody who has spent most of the last seven years doing communications for

00:42:47.900 Donald Trump. So I know a thing or two about communicating on, shall we say, sticky issues,

00:42:52.200 right? Being in difficult media circumstances, uh, he's doing absolutely everything wrong,

00:42:56.860 both from a style perspective, but more importantly, from a substantive perspective.

00:43:00.820 And let me connect this to the earlier story today, because Alan Shaw is disconnected and

00:43:05.140 unconcerned as he is about what we think, what the people of East Palestine are suffering,

00:43:08.860 what the American public thinks of his company and his performance. Totally disconnected.

00:43:12.940 Same thing with JPM and BlackRock. When it comes to Ukraine, they don't even care.

00:43:20.740 Okay. Uh, Cortez, hang on. We got Jeff Clark. We got Michael Patrick Leahy. We're getting it

00:43:26.020 done. The tale of two cities, Kiev, Ukraine, and East Palestine, Ohio, all next in the war room.

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00:45:25.640 Okay, we haven't even gotten to the Ukraine part. We also have stuff for the World Health

00:45:28.740 Organization. There's a lot going on. We're going to get to all of it on this President's Day.

00:45:33.000 Jeff Clark, any closing thoughts? We're going to have you back on as many times as we have to

00:45:38.180 because you are the expert in this area. First, am I too over the top right now about a young,

00:45:44.980 aggressive assistant prosecutor in eastern Ohio that wants to make a name for himself and do the

00:45:52.320 right thing to impen a grand jury right now? No, I don't think so, Steve. I think that would be a

00:45:58.580 good move. I also think Congress should be calling a hearing to investigate, including an investigation

00:46:05.000 of the company, Norfolk Southern, of state officials, local officials, and especially EPA,

00:46:12.600 uh, Steve. I think they need to be called before Congress and, uh, explain why they did what they

00:46:18.080 did. And, uh, I have for you yet another quotation from this same miraculous press release from Josh

00:46:25.160 Shapiro, if you're ready for it. Oh, baby. I'm, I'm, I was born ready for this thing. I love me some

00:46:31.760 Shapiro right now. He's, this is, this is the beginning of Josh Shapiro's drive to the White House

00:46:36.440 by, by, by cutting distance between the phosgene gas that went all over eastern, uh, western

00:46:42.620 Pennsylvania, sir. So, uh, here it is. Quote, while I appreciate that responding to train derailments

00:46:50.220 presents an array of complex challenges, failure to adhere to well-accepted standards of practice

00:46:56.080 related to incident management and prioritizing an accelerated and arbitrary, arbitrary, uh,

00:47:02.680 timely decision to reopen the rail line, injected unnecessary risk and created confusion in the

00:47:08.860 process, wrote Shapiro. Okay. The buried lead, arbitrary decision, right? Arbitrary decision.

00:47:19.580 Josh Shapiro's, Cortez, real quick, Josh Shapiro's burying the CEO, uh, Shaw, right? What's the over

00:47:27.040 and under a time in jail? What's the over and under, what's the line? What's the line of number of years?

00:47:31.660 Go ahead, sir. Shapiro is, is a totally corrupted leftist. Okay. But I will also say this about him. 0.87

00:47:37.560 He's very smart. He's very shrewd. Uh, and he might be the only person I can think of in America

00:47:42.660 who is a perhaps more ambitious than Nikki Haley. Okay. That's how ambitious Josh Shapiro is. And he

00:47:49.880 was a totally corrupt attorney general in Pennsylvania, but he was a very skilled man. He's a very Machiavellian 0.54

00:47:55.480 figure. So believe me, more free advice to Alan Shaw. If Shapiro has you targeted right now,

00:48:01.280 okay, he will be like a dog chewing a bone. You're not going to easily get away because Steve, to your

00:48:06.540 point, Shapiro believes he belongs in the white house. Now that is never going to happen, but he

00:48:10.720 has those divisions of grandeur. He sees opportunity here, uh, in the most twisted way, he sees

00:48:16.280 opportunity. But the point is, uh, he's going to get, yeah, this, this is how Machiavellian is. One of the

00:48:22.360 reasons the establishment turned on Mastroana, he cut deals with all the big law firms. He's handing out

00:48:26.680 deals, contracts and, and sinecures to all the Republican establishment. He was taking care of

00:48:31.820 the Republican establishment. That's why you're going to see an upgrade in the, in the, in the

00:48:36.340 types of ambulance chasing lawyers that are now going to descend on East Palestine, Ohio, because

00:48:41.880 they're going to, they're going to read the note that Clark's reading from Jeff Shapiro and go,

00:48:45.600 we're in business right now. Because we kept telling you folks, you got to get to the meeting

00:48:50.340 on the fifth. Yeah, go ahead. Just to that point. I think this is interesting. You know,

00:48:53.740 those of us on the political right have really never appreciated trial lawyers, right? For good

00:48:57.560 reason, because, uh, in general, they have just been leeches upon the economy and prosperity of

00:49:02.080 the United States. But there are times when trial lawyers, right? And their, their incentives can be

00:49:06.740 very helpful to us. For example, I believe in time, big pharma is going to ultimately be held

00:49:12.140 liable. Even if they're not at the federal level, I think they will at the state level. Florida's

00:49:15.780 already going down that path. And I have talked personally to some very significant trial lawyers

00:49:21.260 who are very interested in smell blood in the water as it relates to big pharma. Similarly here

00:49:26.840 in East Palestine, Ohio, the trial lawyers who, again, I'm not a fan of generally the tort bar,

00:49:32.180 but the trial lawyers may serve a very significant and, and powerful and beneficial purpose when it

00:49:37.500 comes to justice for the people of East Palestine. So this story is in the very, very early stages,

00:49:43.280 clearly. And let me also connect this back to politics in Washington when it comes to impeachments.

00:49:47.840 And I believe it has to be done as you have prescribed. It has to be done legally, methodically,

00:49:52.300 the right way, not like that sham Jan 6 committee. But I believe there must be several impeachments.

00:49:57.440 I hope that first and priority is Mayorkas. But Buttigieg, I think now is clearly in the political 1.00

00:50:03.220 crosshairs subject to impeachment for his total dereliction of duty on several instances, supply chain

00:50:09.260 breakdowns, complete airline chaos, and now most potently this issue in East Ohio. Usually Americans don't know

00:50:16.720 who the transportation secretary is because it's usually not that material to their lives. It just

00:50:20.740 so happens that during these first two years of the disastrous Biden regime with all of these

00:50:25.120 created crises, many of them have centered around transportation. And we've seen just how incompetent

00:50:31.180 Pete Buttigieg is, somebody who was only hired for reasons of checking a quota box. There's a lot of

00:50:36.940 terrible quota hires in this, diversity hires in this administration. Of all the terrible ones, 1.00

00:50:42.840 right now, it looks like Pete Buttigieg is the worst in show.

00:50:48.600 Diversity, inclusivity, and equity. D-I-E, die. Okay, that's what happens when you do this. 0.97

00:50:56.180 Hang on, Cortez, we're going to get to the economics. Leahy, where's your reporting going,

00:51:00.580 and how do people get to your site?

00:51:04.580 Steve, four different stories from the four organizations responsible

00:51:08.840 for this February 6 controlled burn of vinyl chloride in East Palestine. One story is

00:51:16.540 non-existent from the EPA. They supposedly have the legal authority not saying anything. Then you have

00:51:23.760 the head of Norfolk Southern who says he was in the meeting where the decision was made,

00:51:28.560 won't tell us where it is or who made the decision. The governor of Ohio says,

00:51:33.280 uh, I approved of it, but I didn't make the decision. And then the closer on this, uh, Josh

00:51:39.620 Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania is saying, well, uh, Northern, uh, Norfolk Southern didn't tell

00:51:45.720 us all the details about this initially. So none of these stories add up. We're going to go to all

00:51:52.520 four of those and the department of justice to ask for the detailed timeline between February 3rd,

00:51:59.320 the derailment and February 6th, the control burned. And we're going to lay that out in great detail

00:52:04.960 and report it right here on War Room. Michael Patrick Leahy, real quickly, how do you get to

00:52:10.960 the Ohio star star news network in your social media? Theohiostar.com, thestarnewsnetwork.com.

00:52:17.200 And I'm on Michael P. Leahy on Twitter, getter and social and on true social.

00:52:21.380 Thank you, brother. Uh, Clark, hang on for a second. 90 second break. That's all we need

00:52:28.240 between the first and second half here. They're taking 12 minutes or 13 minutes in the NFL,

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Bannon's War Room - February 20, 2023

Episode 2530： Who Made The Decision To Burn In Ohio; biden Travels To Ukraine

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