Bannon's War Room - Episode 2631： The Run On Trump; EPA Files Complaint Against Norfolk Southern

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:10.180 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:16.780 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:20.540 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.120 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:31.940 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:39.880 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.100 it's saturday 1 april in the year of our lord 2023 it is the first day of the second quarter of a

00:00:55.300 historic uh year um we've had the harvard business school and of course with dr navarro the harvard

00:01:01.060 department of economics take on capital markets in the economy i will come back and spend more time

00:01:06.340 on uh dr robini's also harvard about the insolvency of the banking system uh a little later but i want

00:01:12.820 to go to the harvard law school a revered professor dershowitz has given his life to the training of

00:01:19.360 the finest legal minds in our nation many of the federal judges and the top lawyers in the country

00:01:23.480 were students of his uh professor dershowitz your book get trump has really been the blueprint of

00:01:29.860 having a rational conversation about this before just getting to the charges in reading your book and

00:01:35.480 then following your uh interviews around on other sites which are just incredible i've kind of become

00:01:41.100 um addicted to him could this could trump's lawyers actually walk in and get this dismissed one of

00:01:49.860 the things i find intriguing you're sitting there going there's no they don't really have the

00:01:53.700 underpinnings of fraud here is that the case is this thing that big a sham that you believe

00:01:58.960 that if you had a judge that was really even-handed you could get this dismissed just outright i think any

00:02:04.120 first-year law student could get this dismissed in front of any objective judge start with the

00:02:09.320 misdemeanor there is no misdemeanor here um you know president trump former president trump settled

00:02:16.740 a case um paid 130 000 no one in history has ever paid hush money and then put on his corporate form

00:02:25.300 oh the reason i paid the hush money honestly was to keep my wife from learning the fact that i had an 0.90

00:02:31.360 adulterous affair or i was accused of having an adulterous affair with a former porn star no one in

00:02:36.500 history has ever put that in a form and no one in history has ever been indicted for a misdemeanor

00:02:41.080 for not putting that uh in in a form this is part of get trump and you know the title get trump it's

00:02:47.980 not original with me i'm not smart enough to come up with a good title like that this title comes from

00:02:53.900 the attorney general and district attorneys campaigns in new york their campaign slogan was

00:02:59.920 get trump here you have democrats running for prosecution offices promising to get trump the

00:03:07.420 man who was about to run against the leader of their party the president of the united states

00:03:14.060 you better have the strongest case in the world you better have a videotape of donald trump killing

00:03:20.820 somebody on fifth avenue rather than paying some money which thousands of people do every year

00:03:27.380 to have either false or true charges uh leveled against them and then to rely on michael cohen

00:03:34.920 today's new york times has a very revealing story about that about how the case got redone

00:03:41.960 and apparently bragg decided ah now i believe that michael cohen is telling the truth well i have some

00:03:50.940 headline news for mr bragg and for the american public i'm about to sue michael cohen because he

00:03:57.660 hasn't stopped lying he lied about me this week on a tweet he said that i was involved in jeffrey

00:04:04.680 epstein's underage island i was never been accused of anything like that and the one woman who accused me

00:04:12.160 of in new york uh said she now realizes she may have made a mistake and misidentified me and confused

00:04:20.140 me with somebody else but you get cohen continuing to lie he's not stopped he lies about me and that

00:04:27.600 will come out in court and so i think that trump's lawyers will have additional evidence now to show

00:04:35.360 that you know michael cohen is not the kind of guy who just lied to his lawyers like the federal

00:04:39.900 government lied to the state government and then suddenly god has come down and and told him to

00:04:45.120 tell the truth and he's telling the truth he's still lying about me he's mad at me because i called

00:04:50.740 him a liar and he's mad at trump and that's why he was lying about trump hey let me just go for a 0.70

00:04:57.100 second let's go back to bragg all of a sudden having this revelation that you could believe cohen and

00:05:01.260 then i want to get to your defamation clearly cohen's throwing that out there to make sure that you

00:05:06.080 can't become one of the leading voices of trump's defense in the new york times piece what's the

00:05:12.080 revelation that bragg has about about michael cohen that now thinks he's telling the truth

00:05:16.580 well the revelation really comes in the form of political pressure what happens is he says he's not

00:05:23.080 going to prosecute and then in the new york times says uh that created an outrage in new york a real

00:05:29.180 pushback he got a tremendous amount of pressure because in new york trump is the most evil man in the

00:05:35.080 history of the world and so suddenly he was persuaded that michael cohen must be telling

00:05:41.120 the truth because if he's not telling the truth there's no case against trump and if there's no

00:05:45.240 case against trump bragg doesn't get re-elected uh he promised to get trump and if he doesn't get

00:05:51.320 him he doesn't get re-elected he doesn't get a half a million dollars from george soros which he got

00:05:56.080 for his first uh campaign and so the revelation is nothing new at all cohen continues to lie cohen

00:06:04.180 doesn't know the difference between lying and telling the truth and i can't imagine an ethical

00:06:08.800 prosecutor and i have a chapter in my book about the ethics of prosecutors uh i can't imagine an

00:06:14.940 ethical prosecutor looking a jury in the eye and saying you have to believe this man michael cohen

00:06:20.200 although he lied to his lawyers the federal government to the state government to everybody

00:06:23.540 else now suddenly he's discovered that he has to tell the truth if he does that trump's lawyer says

00:06:30.480 but look what he said about alan dershowitz just a few a few days ago he's lied he'd made up a story

00:06:35.900 that's what he does when he gets mad at people he lies about them and he's mad at donald trump

00:06:40.820 and he's lying about him it i can't imagine proceeding with michael cohen now they can try to

00:06:47.940 make the case in in my book get trump i show how they can try to make the case without cohen just by

00:06:54.220 using pecker from the national inquirer uh the man from his from trump's um uh financial but they're

00:07:01.460 not going to have it and the new york times story makes it clear today that without michael cohen there

00:07:07.020 is no case you know bragg has now hired dozens and dozens of lawyers many of whom i know uh some of

00:07:13.940 them are my former students they're terrific lawyers and they've labored for years and years and years

00:07:19.600 and they produced a mouse a mouse named mickey it's a mickey mouse case the the the misdemeanor

00:07:26.660 is not valid then turning it into a felony let me give you the the piece de resistance so they say

00:07:35.120 that the statute of limitations was told it's been seven years since this happened statute of limitations

00:07:39.720 is two years for misdemeanor five years for felony they say no no there's an exception because he was

00:07:44.720 out of state and we couldn't find him he was in the white house but he was out of state and if

00:07:51.380 you're out of state the statute of limitations doesn't continue to run well duh he was out of

00:07:57.240 state the day he was arrested he was in florida last thursday if they could indict him when he's out

00:08:04.020 of state in florida on thursday why couldn't they indict him the thursday before and five years earlier

00:08:11.040 seven years earlier their statute of limitations argument makes no sense at all and any decent

00:08:18.100 judge would throw out the case on statute of limitations arguments then if there is a trial

00:08:24.420 it can't be in manhattan it can't be in manhattan it has to be in staten island it has to be in

00:08:29.220 rockland county or out of state and again let's get personal i defended president trump in 2000 as a

00:08:36.060 civil libertarian i wasn't a trump supporter politically but i defended him as a civil libertarian i

00:08:40.320 lost all my friends on martha's vineyard larry david said he would never talk to me i was

00:08:45.360 disgusting ten times that would happen to any judge in new york or any juror in manhattan

00:08:50.500 who rendered a verdict in favor of donald trump oh my god that's the man who allowed trump to become

00:08:56.280 our next president don't talk to him don't have anything to do with him no judge no juror would be

00:09:01.500 able to resist that kind of pressure is that the kind of fair trial our constitution demands no way

00:09:08.780 let me go back a couple things you're saying the book record misdemeanor is a joke and even then

00:09:16.960 upgraded to a felony is is is a bigger joke this bill bar says held together by chicken wire you're

00:09:22.060 saying it's not even held together this thing oh it's not held together connectivity here

00:09:25.840 you know they claim one and one so that's 11 but it's zero plus zero equals zero there is no

00:09:32.800 misdemeanor case there is no felony case now it may have other things in the indictment they may say that

00:09:37.860 he undervalued his 40 wall street building for tax purposes and overvalued it for uh purposes of

00:09:47.720 getting loans if every real estate owner was indicted for that the real estate industry in new york

00:09:54.560 would and all over the country would disappear morova banks they hire the best auditors in the world

00:10:01.120 to do an independent check on the value of these buildings but he may add things like that

00:10:06.200 may add other financial records case maybe he'll add the case of the hush payment to mcdougall it

00:10:12.120 won't amount to a thing when you go after the man who's running for president against the leader of

00:10:17.280 your party it better be the strongest case in history it better be airtight it better be a slam dunk it

00:10:24.340 better be so good that he's going to plead guilty and the people in his own party are going to say you

00:10:30.380 better plead guilty like they did with richard nixon this is not that case democrats friends

00:10:36.220 of mine who hate me for having defended trump who hate trump are now calling me and saying but this

00:10:42.040 case there's nothing to it there's nothing to it let's keep an open mind tuesday we'll know what the

00:10:47.920 indictment is by the way why do we know there's been an indictment because somebody has leaked it that

00:10:53.380 somebody is either in bragg's office or in the uh grand jury that's a felony a five-year felony a real

00:11:02.120 felony committed right under the nose of district attorney bragg and as far as i know he's doing

00:11:08.340 no investigation of it in today's new york times they have even more details of what went on in the

00:11:13.920 grand jury room they have details of the argument that was made of the preparation that was made

00:11:18.980 that could only come from people within bragg's office that's a felony why isn't he prosecuting

00:11:26.580 that felony why isn't the new york times demanding that there be an investigation as to how this leak

00:11:33.480 occurred this illegal leak occurred is another example of get trump but don't get people who are

00:11:40.200 trying to get trump give them immunity exempt them people say no one's above the law are the people in

00:11:45.920 bragg's office above the law no no one is below the law you don't apply a statute the way this is

00:11:51.980 being applied never before in history done to somebody who's running for president in order to

00:11:57.620 try to stop him but they can't stop him as i show in my book at trump again even if he is indicted and

00:12:04.400 he has been convicted imprisoned he can run from prison eugene v devs ran from prison i spoke to

00:12:12.220 donald trump the other day he called me to tell me that he loved my book he wished i'd vote for him

00:12:16.080 but he hopes everybody will read my book it's a brilliant book i really appreciate that but i said

00:12:21.000 to him as president i have some advice for you he said oh wow you have some advice what's the advice

00:12:24.940 i said invest in a t-shirt company uh that will make the t-shirt based on your mugshot it will be the

00:12:32.360 largest selling t-shirt in history since frank sinatra had his mugshot made into a poster so in the end

00:12:40.040 this will backfire i think against uh the democrats and against bragg but uh in the meantime it's done

00:12:47.200 tremendous damage to the rule of law and that's what i care about i don't care so much who gets elected

00:12:52.960 president i do i'm going to vote for the person i think is going to be the best or the least worst

00:12:57.340 that's not my point my point is do not destroy the american legal system the rule of law something

00:13:04.080 that we've worked on for 250 years but in the best country best in the world we're just we have

00:13:09.760 we have a we have a minute we have a minute in this segment you're one of the most revered

00:13:15.220 professors at the most revered law school in the nation you as you said have trained a bunch of these

00:13:21.220 lawyers what happened in the process how could lawyers trained by you at this revered institution

00:13:26.620 of harvard law school be on the staff of uh of bragg who i believe is a harvard law school graduate

00:13:32.560 sir we got about a minute and then we'll come back well i don't blame them for being on the staff

00:13:37.000 i blame them for not protesting this prosecution look trump derangement syndrome is real i know i see

00:13:43.840 it around me all the time decent people good people people who have worked for me as research assistants

00:13:48.980 when it comes to trump their brain just shrivels up and they say look this is adolf hitler this is the

00:13:56.000 worst person ever to become president of the united states we have to stop at nothing to do it

00:14:02.340 people have talked about taking other even more extreme measures to stop it from happening

00:14:07.460 even if you don't want trump to be president of the united states you have to use legal means that's why

00:14:13.400 we have elections in this country vote against him campaign against him make campaign contributions

00:14:19.080 find real crimes if you must but don't make up crimes and destroy our legal system in an attempt to get

00:14:26.480 trump that's why i wrote my book get trump and the best message you can send to brag

00:14:30.820 is buy my book keep it a bestseller that will tell brag that people are watching there's

00:14:37.720 accountability maybe not in new york city maybe not in manhattan but around the country

00:14:41.520 professor dershowitz just hang on one second we'll keep a little bit in the next block

00:14:46.680 the book is get trump from skyhorse we'll make sure it's up on all of our sites and at amazon

00:14:52.920 short break professor alan dershowitz on the other side

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00:18:05.340 i want to draw your attention to one particularly dangerous trope that has emerged from the right-wing

00:18:16.080 attacks against bragg if you've been following the republican outrage machine including many elected

00:18:21.920 republicans you've probably already heard about the conspiracy theory that bragg was handpicked and

00:18:26.240 funded by the jewish billionaire george soros in fact bragg was elected by voters in new york county

00:18:32.880 in 2021 and it's well documented that soros never gave any money directly to bragg he donated to a

00:18:38.860 political action committee that supported progressive candidates who were seeking to be prosecutors

00:18:43.340 and that group included bragg but that that is too nuanced for the folks who are trying to stoke fear

00:18:48.780 in our judicial system it's not an accident that the right wing is trying to tie alvin bragg to george

00:18:54.540 soros specifically the conservatives use of george soros as a boogeyman is steeped in racist conspiracy

00:19:00.460 tropes made to stoke fear among white conservatives that rich jewish overloads or overlords secretly control 0.69

00:19:07.740 things behind the scenes the banks the media hollywood and now in fact the courts these racist deplorable

00:19:15.260 conspiracy theories have a long history in this country and around the world but it's been remarkable

00:19:19.580 to watch how quickly this latest racist conspiracy theory attempting to tie george soros to alan dershowitz

00:19:27.660 who has really dedicated his life not just to the rule of law but the defense of israel and about

00:19:32.460 anti-semitism here in the united states so in the previous segment you said he was a source-backed

00:19:38.620 candidate are you guilty of a falling into a right-wing uh anti-jewish conspiracy theory trope as as msnbc

00:19:47.500 says professor well i have been active in the fight against anti-semitism since i was a young man i was

00:19:53.900 chairman of the anti-defamation league's boston civil rights uh group i've written six books uh against

00:20:01.020 anti-semitism and i am one of george soros's strongest opponents i think he has done terrible things

00:20:08.540 to america terrible things to the world and it is not anti-semitic at all to attack george soros

00:20:15.100 as an individual i've never attacked him as a jew i don't even know whether he is whether he identifies

00:20:20.220 himself as as a jew i've attacked him as somebody who has pushed for woke progressive candidates and i've

00:20:27.180 attacked the fact that uh uh district attorney bragg uh used money given to a pack uh for progressive

00:20:36.700 woke uh district attorneys and so anytime anybody uh is attacked as an anti-semite for uh criticizing

00:20:46.380 source please cite me uh i am one of sources leading critics and i am one of the leading critics of

00:20:52.460 anti-semitism so it is inconceivable to me that i would ever ever support an anti-semitic trope but i do

00:20:59.900 support anti-saurus tropes and i hate the fact that some people in europe particularly uh in eastern

00:21:06.700 europe have used soros as a kind of representative of of jewish power but i've never done that as far

00:21:13.660 as i know that's never been a trope that's been picked up in the united states it's an eastern

00:21:17.820 european trope and the idea that you that somehow soros is exempt from being criticism because he's a jew

00:21:24.140 is it's it's another form of bigotry uh always attack people on the merits without regard to their

00:21:31.580 religious heritage or identification and don't worry about being called an anti-semit if your uh

00:21:38.460 facts are correct and your accusations against sources correct and and msnbc didn't point out any

00:21:44.620 mistake of facts and certainly i can't be accused of anti-semitism in any way i fought against it all of

00:21:50.860 my life professor being as well known as you are in the book being the success it is by the way the

00:21:57.980 book is get trump it's on amazon it's at the great skyhorse uh publisher has msnbc or anybody over

00:22:05.100 there reached out to you to have you on to discuss this topic sir i've been totally canceled by msnbc

00:22:11.740 by cnn uh by the new york times i used to be the most frequent writer in the new york times

00:22:19.100 as a lawyer i wrote dozens and dozens of op-eds also my book get trump is not available in independent

00:22:26.700 bookstores it was the number one bestseller last weekend after your show by the way the number one

00:22:32.540 non-fiction bestseller on amazon.com but if you go to an independent bookstore in new york city or

00:22:38.380 anywhere in the country they'll say we don't carry books called get trump so if you want the book you

00:22:44.140 have to get it on amazon.com or on barnes and nobles but you can't walk into your local bookstore

00:22:50.540 and buy the book the book has been absolutely canceled uh by uh people who uh don't like the

00:22:58.620 concept of get trump and the title get trump they don't realize that the title get trump comes from

00:23:04.620 democrat candidates for attorney general and district attorney of new york

00:23:08.860 i want to make make sure everybody gets a copy of this book you got to read it this is the best

00:23:14.940 prep for all the circuits that's going to go next so remember we're not going to fall in the trap of

00:23:18.540 the circus we're going to go after the facts here and what's important and spend most time

00:23:23.500 on the on the big stories driving this country we're beginning stages of a third world war

00:23:28.300 on the eurasian landmass you've got a financial crisis professor nabini's got i've got it up on

00:23:33.340 ghetto right now the insolvency of the american banking system the important things professor

00:23:38.140 dershowitz you you broke i think some news here on on i just want to make sure i go back on michael

00:23:42.060 cohen because michael cohen is now central to this whether you like michael cohen or don't like

00:23:46.300 michael cohen is the new york times reported today he's central to bragg's epiphany that all

00:23:51.020 of a sudden he's truthful you said that he tweeted out something about you and epstein in in this

00:23:55.740 epstein island you say it defamed you you're going to sue him for defamation if he if he if he

00:24:01.500 if he apologized or took it down or would you back off that are you going to go after him hard on

00:24:06.780 this well let me read you the email he just sent to me uh alan as you know from our conversation on

00:24:13.020 my podcast i have and has always had had tremendous respect and admiration for you as a constitutional

00:24:19.420 lawyer and scholar if you were angered at my tweet why not just have called me and express that to me

00:24:25.980 i am happy to remove the tweet i am happy to remove the tweet but similarly i ask that you treat

00:24:33.340 me with the same respect that i treat you feel free to call me at any time well he's willing to

00:24:39.500 remove the tweet that's not enough you know when when you throw a skunk into the jury room you can

00:24:45.420 take the skunk out but the smell still remains he accused me of associating with a pedophile on an

00:24:53.820 island with young people it's just a total and complete and categorical lie and the woman who 1.00

00:24:59.900 originally accused me has now issued a formal statement saying she now realizes that she may

00:25:05.740 have misidentified me confused me with someone else in other words i was never there even when

00:25:10.140 she accused me by the way she never accused me of anything on epstein's island i've never been on

00:25:16.940 any island with young people with underage people so it's an absolute defamation and no it's not enough 0.99

00:25:23.580 for him to remove the tweet that may be an admission by him that he's lied in the tweet but

00:25:28.620 he has to go a lot further to avoid a lawsuit and i suspect that a there'll be a lawsuit and i suspect

00:25:36.140 that trump's lawyers will use this tweet both of these tweets the original tweet and then the one he sent

00:25:42.060 me an email as proof that he hasn't changed his ways that he's still prepared to lie about innocent

00:25:48.860 people if he doesn't like what the innocent people have said about them he's mad at me i understand

00:25:54.060 them being mad at me but when you're mad at somebody you don't lie about them i understand

00:25:57.980 he's mad at donald trump and yet we know now that he's lied about donald trump so i suspect that

00:26:04.380 this tweet and the email may become useful to trump's lawyers uh if there is a trial and if michael

00:26:11.580 cohn testifies um i just make sure he just sent you that email and he was mad at you and said this

00:26:19.500 because you've been pointing out that he's been basically a liar throughout this entire process

00:26:24.300 correct as president trump has said that's right i've been telling the reason that he didn't like

00:26:27.980 the truth so we made up a lie about me and that seems to be his common uh modus operandi but you can't

00:26:35.100 just continue to lie about people and this puts the lie to his claim that oh yeah i was a liar i lied i lied

00:26:40.780 lied a lot but now suddenly i've decided i'm gonna always tell the truth so what does he do

00:26:45.900 he tells a demonstrable lie about me demonstrable clearly he won't try to defend what he said he'll

00:26:53.100 probably just say look i was angry and i'm sorry i did this that's just not good enough

00:26:59.740 professor last thing before we let you go by the way the book is get trump we'll also talk about the

00:27:03.420 next section segment after the professor leaves professor about going in and getting this thing dismissed

00:27:08.860 in in a rational world of the rule of law a judge you could walk in with facts and and and and get

00:27:16.860 this thing dismissed before any of a circus trial correct yeah absolutely correct and um if his name

00:27:23.100 was not donald trump he'd get it dismissed even in new york and if the case were brought in cities other

00:27:28.540 than new york it would be dismissed it's only the fact that his name is donald trump and it's manhattan

00:27:34.300 and the case is just so transparent it's so made up now again wait until we see the indictment maybe

00:27:42.220 there's a smoking gun but absent a smoking gun absent real proof of a real crime not a made-up crime

00:27:49.020 even the new york times called it a creative crime you know thomas jefferson once said that for a

00:27:53.900 criminal statute to be constitutional it has to be so clear that a reasonable person if he reads the

00:27:59.580 statute while running imagine that image he's reading the statute he's running down the street

00:28:05.980 here he is reading reading reading and running and running and running and he has to be able to

00:28:10.220 understand it well i'm going to read this indictment while sitting with 60 years of experience in

00:28:16.540 criminal cases and i doubt that i'll be able to understand it because it's not understandable you can't

00:28:23.820 make a felony out of a non-misdemeanor the way they're trying to do and so i think any decent

00:28:30.780 lawyer and trump has great lawyers uh will should be able to get this thing dismissed before it ever

00:28:36.780 gets the trial my prediction judges in new york will not do that they don't want to go home to their

00:28:42.140 home in manhattan and have people point to them and say that's the judge who made donald trump president

00:28:48.620 of the united states he's at fault that's what people are going to be afraid of that's what jurors

00:28:53.660 are going to be afraid of why this trial cannot be conducted in the borough of manhattan i love

00:28:57.900 manhattan i live part of the year in manhattan i walk the streets of manhattan my remaining friends

00:29:03.660 most of them live in manhattan but boy i would not want to be in front of a jury in manhattan if they

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00:32:04.620 go check it out today uh east palestine i want to now do more where i was going to try to get time

00:32:11.020 today but it's just too jammed but i commit we're going to do it uh on monday

00:32:16.620 uh there's something deeply wrong in east palestine they're the best people that's the

00:32:20.540 salt of the earth out there i was as violently ill as i've ever been in my life when i got back from

00:32:25.740 there my entire team is sick now they're not as sick as i was but from captain bannon to our great

00:32:30.700 producing producing team also security everything everybody out there is sick there's something

00:32:37.020 deeply wrong uh jeff clark we gotta help these people get to the bottom of this of what actually

00:32:42.940 happened who's responsible and what's going to happen to sort things out and make this right

00:32:47.580 because it is unacceptable what's happened out there jeff we're beginning to see it i love the

00:32:52.860 fact you said the other day the doj's uh suit against norfolk southern is a little bit of covering

00:32:58.460 fire because now the epa inspector general and i think that is partly from the show and from other

00:33:05.660 things we're putting up all the time people in dc understand there's a big problem with what

00:33:10.780 happened in east palestine is there any doubt in your mind about that having worked inside the

00:33:14.300 apparatus at the justice department in this area sir no steve and thanks for having me um you know

00:33:21.740 clearly uh bad decisions were made and just the the way in which uh the complaint and i think you have

00:33:29.660 it to to show people uh is written that the doj filed with epa against norfolk southern shows that

00:33:36.060 because the government was on the ground which they make a big deal about when the decisions

00:33:40.940 were made but they pretend that they weren't involved in the decision to do the controlled

00:33:45.820 burn which is the real decision to uh focus on um yeah that's the the press release that is up

00:33:52.140 and the key paragraphs i think uh in the complaint are paragraphs 55 and and 56 especially if you look at

00:33:58.860 them together paragraph 55 says that uh norfolk southern vented and burned the contents of the rail cars

00:34:05.660 right it doesn't uh talk about epa authorizing that epa being consulted about it and then you know

00:34:12.220 paragraph 56 right after that goes on to say well you know we did uh modeling with an entity that's

00:34:19.260 part of fema you know originally the administration had denied that uh that's the interagency modeling 0.98

00:34:25.100 and atmospheric assessment center that's part of fema originally they'd said fema didn't have 0.99

00:34:29.340 anything to do with this now the complaint itself from doj admits that they did so if they were

00:34:35.020 involved in the modeling how could they not have been involved in the decision to authorize the

00:34:39.020 controlled burn and yet the complaints written as if it was just purely norfolk southern's uh decision

00:34:45.580 and epa didn't have anything to do with it um if you contrast actually this new uh federal complaint

00:34:52.780 filed by doj and epa against norfolk southern with the one that was filed by the state of ohio steve

00:34:58.300 there's actually a count in the state of ohio one that goes after and and argues that uh there was uh

00:35:05.980 you know open dumping and you know that's exactly what happened right you know they vented the car to

00:35:11.420 the trench and then they set it on fire like that's open dumping which violated ohio law you know we don't

00:35:17.980 see that being focused on by the doj complaint because that would mean that epa was complicit in all of

00:35:25.100 the environmental disastrous effects that are happening there like made you and the team sick

00:35:29.420 when you were out there uh last week jeff clark's cut to the heart of it this is all about dumping

00:35:38.460 the chemicals out into the ditch digging a ditch preparing for it knowing they were going to do it

00:35:42.940 dumping it out and setting it on fire that's the heart of it right there with with really no analysis

00:35:49.260 no care for what was going on just to get it and get it done because they they think of these people

00:35:53.820 as trash we're making progress on getting this uh to to because you got to get rectified there

00:36:00.860 as part of what are we going to do what really got into the atmosphere because what shocked me

00:36:05.660 is this kind of haphazard not really a detailed not giving people information about what's going

00:36:12.540 on for soil reclamation for the water you saw the rube goldberg thing they had in the creek

00:36:17.820 uh for the air and i can tell you i have i very rarely get sick very i got one time with covet early

00:36:25.420 on in the covet situation right after the election around thanksgiving of 2020 and then the day i got

00:36:31.420 back from east palestine and my entire team was sick there's something deeply wrong in east palestine 1.00

00:36:37.340 ohio and the surrounding areas and we need to get that sorted clark how important is it for the voices

00:36:43.820 in east palestine to get in front of the inspector general of epa sir so steve i think uh just as

00:36:51.340 you're pointing to they need to get to the inspector general and and you know uh urge the inspector

00:36:57.020 general of epa to really look hard into who made these decisions at epa how high did it go was there

00:37:03.740 negligence in how that was handled uh you know was michael regan the epa administrator a direct part of that

00:37:09.740 or was he out to lunch uh whatever the facts are the inspector general needs to probe into that and

00:37:15.100 then second steve you'll remember that early on uh recognizing what a you know total cluster this was

00:37:21.660 that uh josh shapiro pennsylvania you know governor said well i'm going to have a criminal investigation

00:37:26.940 of this well i haven't heard anything about that since then and i think the people of east palestine

00:37:32.140 and others of your uh viewers and listeners you know should reach out to to uh increase the pressure

00:37:37.660 on him because he shouldn't be able to basically uh you know come out uh sort of try to distance

00:37:42.300 himself from the decisions that were made uh and say he's going to look at it criminally he gets a

00:37:47.180 kind of uh media bump for that temporarily but then you know nothing actually happens i think you know

00:37:52.300 his feet need to be held to the fire and i think the inspector general needs to hold the epa

00:37:56.860 administrator's feet to the fire and you think that this right this if you get to the details

00:38:03.180 there this could raise to the level of criminal negligence sir i i think it could uh steve i mean

00:38:09.260 obviously uh there have been so many stories about who was responsible for what right i mean we we heard

00:38:15.660 initially uh that it was the national guard that did this i think the epa the doj epa complaint helps

00:38:21.660 clear that up a little bit by talking about the ohio national guard being involved in the modeling then

00:38:26.620 we heard that the fire chief was in charge uh then we heard that it was uh only norfolk southern um

00:38:33.340 and then we heard from the story that you and i both concluded to cnn was a kind of leak uh by pete

00:38:40.460 butta judge's people to throw uh the trail off of him and say you know that uh you know this was an epa

00:38:47.100 uh screw up so you know everyone's pointing fingers at everybody else in different directions and

00:38:51.980 you know if the inspector general is fair he should be able to sort through all of that and

00:38:57.020 get the p the story out to the people of what actually happened uh jeff clark how do people get

00:39:04.140 to you you're doing great work over there for us vote how do people get to you so i'm at jeff clark

00:39:09.660 us on twitter and getter and on real jeff clark on uh truth social and the center for renewing

00:39:17.100 america is at america renewing all one word dot com jeff clark thank you great work thank you sir

00:39:25.580 let me go to rome we've got ben harnwell ben uh you've got the headline from yesterday china warns

00:39:31.500 the eu to back off macron and of course uh the head of the president you use heading to beijing

00:39:37.820 you've got the austrian we don't have time to play it but the austrian parliament essentially the the

00:39:43.180 the far right uh group there which has a huge share of the austrian parliament walks out on

00:39:47.980 zelinski's talk uh yesterday you've got increasing um people flipping including the french behind the

00:39:55.580 scenes with the uae flipping to use the chinese one to get off the u.s dollar right now give us in in

00:40:01.820 how the trump thing's being reported where is europe right now as a since we're we're they're a vassal

00:40:08.140 state for us because we support we underwrite their security where do they stand right now

00:40:13.020 in the beginning stages of this third world war sir uh largely as a block if one can see europe as a

00:40:20.940 monolithic block which is not but just to simplify it's following as it has been for the last uh 15

00:40:28.140 months it's following america's lead for good or for bad um that said that said uh there are green

00:40:37.340 shoots if you will uh starting to come through of dissents from a number of member states um now

00:40:44.860 whether this is following uh changing political dynamic on the ground and that people are

00:40:50.700 increasingly impatient with the war and they want to see both parties at the negotiating table

00:40:57.260 or whether it's more due to the fact that the money simply isn't around and the the the european uh

00:41:03.900 economy over the next 12 months is projected to nose dive as is of course that of the united states

00:41:08.860 whether that is a form of realism that is impacting certain member states dynamics what is absolutely

00:41:15.580 certain is that um two months ago at the sanremo music festival uh zelensky wasn't invited to give his

00:41:25.980 spiel that's but for an american audience that's basically like the the italian oscars that said not

00:41:33.740 even at the oscars was then skit zelensky uh invited to speak as you were mentioning in your

00:41:40.220 introduction 30 i i clear you call them far right i don't think that i i personally don't think the um

00:41:46.860 the the the fpo the the austrian freedom party is far right that is what what what the press that's the

00:41:53.420 typical uh scare scare term adjective to describe them i think that they are i i i i use i use as a term of

00:42:02.220 endearment but continue on yeah okay um uh they're basically it's where basically where this where

00:42:11.340 the european people's party uh would have been i don't know 30 40 years ago before the epp embraced uh

00:42:19.660 socialism um it's a part like like the afd um our friends the afd in germany steve it's a party that's very

00:42:27.580 close to the grassroots and that is reflected in its policy positions i've not seen since this war

00:42:34.140 started anything quite so definitive or stark as a group of 30 members of parliament in a sitting

00:42:41.900 legislature get up stand up in the middle of a speech and walk out in protest and opposition which is

00:42:49.340 what they did to vladimir zelensky when he was addressing uh the the austrian parliament that is

00:42:56.140 really uh a new a low watermark of of european uh impatience with this war they said that uh what

00:43:05.660 zelensky was asking for uh impinged on austria's neutrality now going over the border if i if i may

00:43:12.620 just uh the austrian border into switzerland there is a hero i would think um on a par with victor

00:43:22.460 orban and this is the uh the swiss president alan bursay he might not be a household name um in america

00:43:31.020 i don't think he's probably even a household name in in switzerland the the the traditionally the swiss

00:43:36.220 president tends to keep a very low profile but he said a couple of days ago that swiss weapons must

00:43:42.460 not be used in wars citing the swiss material war material act um which bans the re-export of

00:43:50.700 arms to recipient countries in international armed conflicts um he basically said and i quote

00:43:58.380 a protection of humanitarian and human rights law and the geneva conventions may sound passé to some

00:44:05.740 but it is more important than ever uh and it would be extremely dangerous to throw these fundamental

00:44:11.180 principles overboard now the context of that steve is that switzerland is coming under massive

00:44:16.380 international pressure also from the united states obviously to um to grant grant a derogation to this

00:44:25.820 ban on exporting swiss made arms to countries that are currently in war and switzerland is actually

00:44:31.580 digging down again on the argument of neutrality that might be in the european context how the um how the

00:44:39.340 the member states the european union member states shoehorn themselves out of this this this road with

00:44:46.700 with with no apparent exit

00:44:51.180 uh ben can you hang up one second uh we work i was going to put the last block with lara logan's

00:44:56.620 amazing interview with us last night but it does it actually longer than the block so i'm gonna do that

00:45:00.940 on monday lara was here last night she had not given an interview i think a month a month and a

00:45:05.500 half and just was extraordinary in her summary of where we are so we've got more of ben harnwell

00:45:11.100 we'll take a short break ben harnwell on the other side in the last segment of the first day of the

00:45:17.020 first quarter of the second quarter of 2023 in the war and back in a moment we will fight till they're all

00:45:23.100 gone we rejoice when there's no more let's take down the ccp 1.00

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00:48:39.980 slash uh bannon also i want to make sure everybody we're going to put it up that

00:48:46.540 the um commercial on um the santas we keep saying for the trump is just to focus on policy obviously the

00:48:53.660 circus is going to take place next week and we're going to cover it but we're not going to play into the

00:48:57.580 into the circus atmosphere of it that's not what we need right now president trump is on a roll

00:49:01.660 uniting this party to win the primary to win the presidency and to take on the administrative state

00:49:06.700 and the ccp simultaneously and our financial crisis he's got big shoulders he can do it but we cannot 1.00

00:49:12.780 be diverted from our task and purpose and that is to save this country and that's what they're trying

00:49:17.980 to do these are all diversionary techniques um and so i want to make sure i'll have more commentary on

00:49:23.260 that about the differences the fundamental differences in policy between president trump

00:49:27.740 and the rest of the republican party and the people running against him because they're pretty glaring

00:49:31.740 including about social security and in medicare particularly on mike pence and governor de santos

00:49:36.700 i mean couldn't be clearer um ben harnwell one of the central parts here is the debt ceiling that's

00:49:42.220 what the third the third installment on birch gold is called the debt trap i talk about this debt ceiling

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00:49:52.140 the the republicans over in the house have already blinked on doing a budget they've blinked we'll

00:49:57.020 get into more in that details next week that had to me that has to happen you have to do that you

00:50:02.380 have to show now that you can make these cuts without touching social security and medicare you

00:50:08.380 can do it by medicaid and defense spending you can and defense has got to be cut one of the ways you

00:50:13.180 cut defense spending and still take down the ccp is focused on non-kinetic ways to do that you 0.92

00:50:19.180 bring back these obligations one of the central reasons is this war in ukraine ben harnwell are

00:50:24.460 you seeing a shift over there that these nations start to realize their economic situations like

00:50:29.260 in france people are in the streets because obviously they no longer can pay for the earlier

00:50:34.780 retirements they have in the united states i think and they're trying to take it up to 62 to 64.

00:50:39.820 they're in the streets uh fighting with macron right now he's heading to china do people understand

00:50:45.900 the reality of the economic situation over there and why this ukraine war you're just pumping

00:50:50.540 billions of dollars tens of billions hundreds of billions into a charnel house between two slavic 0.99

00:50:55.980 entities sir well um if there are people in france who see the economic reality of things they're

00:51:03.820 probably not the people who are um who are rioting and protesting to defend their rights to retire at

00:51:10.380 62 i tell you who does probably understand the reality of things not just in france but in in the european

00:51:16.620 union in general and that's emmanuel macron himself i know we give him a bit of stick on the war room you

00:51:23.020 know because he's small he's he's got a napoleon complex and he married his mother but he he broadly i

00:51:29.340 would say if you if you if you consider the guy totally as a frenchman his his instinct i think

00:51:36.220 is more or less the best one can hope for out of france it is interesting that he is going that he

00:51:42.460 is the head of state who's going with ursula von der leyen the president of the european commission

00:51:47.580 to china between the 4th and 8th of april to discuss the ukraine war it's pretty unusual i can't

00:51:54.060 remember the last time uh the the president of the european commission made an overseas journey and

00:52:01.020 took only one other head of state with it or even took a head of state with her um and if you want a

00:52:07.980 crazy hornwell uh prediction as to what's going on here um there are going to be some changes in in um

00:52:19.180 in the european union largely because jen stoltenberg uh has refused an extension says he doesn't want

00:52:26.540 one to his mandate to secretary general of nato so he'll be leaving i think he's going to the central

00:52:33.580 bank of norway um which was sort of delayed now by by will have been delayed for two years uh autumn this

00:52:41.020 year and there is talk of ursula von der leyen uh stepping in and replacing him her term would come to 0.98

00:52:49.580 an end uh anyway um in 2024 why why do why do i highlight the fact that that emmanuel macron is is going

00:53:00.060 with von der leyen to china um well you know he he just he escaped by the skin of his teeth in the

00:53:07.580 teeth in the confidence vote on french pension reform last week this is his second mandate um

00:53:17.340 it would be unusual um but if ursula von der leyen uh is is is going to cut short her 1.00

00:53:26.540 term as president of the european commission i i wouldn't see it as unfeasible as unseeable

00:53:31.740 as macron corning it quits in france and going over to um to be president of the european commission

00:53:37.340 the interest what what the importance of this steve with regards to the war in ukraine is that macron

00:53:42.860 is probably the european you know that the pro that the leader who is a hundred percent pro-european

00:53:49.980 who is most uh skeptical towards the us military industrial complex and most open to uh serious

00:53:57.500 negotiations with putin that's the background to these dynamics ben we get we have to bounce uh

00:54:03.900 how can people get you over the weekend before we get you back on here monday on uh thanks steve it's

00:54:09.180 it's simply my surname on getter uh at horn well that's that's why i am and i've i posted some

00:54:15.500 interesting things over the last few days if folks want to to to get on there and check it out yes

00:54:21.260 yes perfect okay thanks um east palestine we couldn't hook up there's going to be a protest

00:54:27.180 out there today we couldn't hook up by uh phone or by skype we're going to be back monday we'll be

00:54:33.100 up on getter all weekend there'll be a lot going on so check it out love to hear your comments or

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Bannon's War Room - April 01, 2023

Episode 2631： The Run On Trump; EPA Files Complaint Against Norfolk Southern

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