Learn English with Alan Dershowitz. He is a professor of law at Harvard Law School and author of the new book, "Get Trump." He was born and raised in the Soviet Union and spent much of his life fighting against the Soviet regime. He now lives in the United States and runs a law firm in Washington, D.
00:01:03.780We started the show with Rebecca Koffler.
00:01:06.060Well, we started the show in Wisconsin where we should, which is the most important thing today.
00:01:09.780But we had Rebecca Koffler in the lobby of Trump Tower near the escalator where President Trump descended in June of 2015
00:01:18.240and then to help turn this country around a four years of peace and prosperity, fighting every step of the way against the elites in this country and particularly the Uniparty.
00:01:28.000Professor Alan Dershowitz has got a new book out called Get Trump.
00:01:32.060Professor Dershowitz has dedicated his life to the training of the finest minds in the country, the finest law school in the country in defending the rule of law.
00:01:41.840Professor Dershowitz, Rebecca Koffler, as it was born and raised in the Soviet Union and was able to get out to come here,
00:01:50.060she referred to the people doing this as the new American Bolsheviks.
00:01:53.480You dedicate your life to training the best and the brightest in the rule of law.
00:01:59.480What is your assessment of where we are today?
00:02:33.700If you're not politically correct, we won't let you speak.
00:02:37.360Prosecutors who run, run for office, a Democrat running for office on the campaign pledge to,
00:02:44.660and that's the title of my book, Get Trump, I didn't make up the title, I got it from the campaigns of the Attorney General and the District Attorney of New York,
00:02:53.700promising to get Trump, no matter what he did or didn't do, then rummaging through the statute books,
00:02:59.640being unable to find a statute that applies and then making up a misdemeanor,
00:03:07.680stapling it to a felony that wasn't prosecuted by the federal government and creating
00:06:50.360It's much of the elite in this country are the ones that are telling Bragg or giving the money that are pushing this.
00:06:57.880It's the American elites that want to – because they fear what Trump – not just Trump, what Trump stands for in the Trump movement, sir.
00:07:06.840But the brilliance of the founders of our republic is they anticipated this problem, and they created a system of federalism, of checks and balances.
00:07:15.380We have the United States Supreme Court to stop that from happening.
00:07:19.200We have other states who can play a role in stopping that from happening.
00:07:23.580We have a House of Representatives that's controlled by one party and a Senate controlled by the other party.
00:07:29.260We have what the former Soviet Union and what many other countries in the world don't have.
00:07:35.100We have a system which imposes checks even on majority rule, and I'm hoping that system isn't weakened.
00:07:43.480It has been horribly weakened in the borough of Manhattan in New York.
00:07:47.820But I hope this case will be moved from the borough of Manhattan, where there's no chance, no chance.
00:07:54.260You know, not Jesus, Mohammed, Moses – this is Holy Week – none of them could have won a case in Manhattan if they were defending Donald Trump in a Manhattan jury, a Manhattan judge.
00:08:06.800Not Abraham Lincoln, not Daniel Webster.
00:08:08.880Nobody could win that case in Manhattan.
00:08:11.500It has to be moved to Staten Island, to Rockland County, to upstate New York, somewhere where a fair trial is at least theoretically possible, where a judge wouldn't face the kind of ostracism he faced or I faced for simply defending – remember, I faced the ostracism for simply defending Trump.
00:08:30.600Imagine what a judge would face if he actually ruled in Trump's favor.
00:08:35.200Now, the judge is going to rule in Trump's favor on one matter this morning.
00:08:38.940He's not going to be foolish enough to impose a gag order, because if he imposed a gag order, I would put together the greatest collection of First Amendment lawyers, if there are any of us left in this country, to take that case right up to the Supreme Court.
00:08:52.320Because a gag order would not only deny Donald Trump's right of free speech, it would deny your right of free speech, my right of free speech, because the right of free speech also includes the right to listen to speakers.
00:09:05.980But hang on, because you – look, you're revered in the fact that you've – I think it was in the Chicago suburbs, you've represented the Nazis for free speech.
00:09:14.220You've made free speech paramount, even against going somewhere of your underlying beliefs.
00:09:20.840But let's go back to what you just said about federalism, and let's say about the founders.
00:09:25.040The founders predicated on – predicated all of that on the rule of law, on men and women of courage who would step up in the deciding moment and step forward.
00:09:36.780You're the perfect example of why people are cowed, and particularly people that are liberals and progressives that understand the value of – like the ACL used to be, of the value of defending free speech and defending the First Amendment right now.
00:09:51.940Look, do you see a lot of courage even with the Republicans?
00:09:55.220The Republicans in the House are terrified.
00:10:26.760These are not normal times, and what they've done is they've gone after people's courage and their core beings.
00:10:32.340Can the system, the framers set up, can it work without men and women of courage stepping forward and say, hey, I'm going to sacrifice my career.
00:10:41.100I'm going to sacrifice all the social things I have.
00:10:43.520I saw what they did to Dershowitz, but I've got to step up here.
00:10:46.780Where do you see that, Professor Dershowitz?
00:10:49.480Well, you know, James Madison foresaw that, and he said if men or women were angels, we wouldn't need the laws to protect us.
00:10:57.340Madison contemplated a situation where people didn't have the courage of George Washington and Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.
00:11:06.040He saw a time when we couldn't count on individual courage, as we couldn't count on individual courage in Nazi Germany or in the Soviet Union.
00:11:18.540That's why we need the rule of law, and the rule of law has been weakened.
00:11:48.180If I can get 10 people on Martha's Vineyard to come and celebrate my 85th birthday, that would be remarkable.
00:11:55.060Even my family's Seder, which we're having on Wednesday night, I used to have, you know, 20, 30 people.
00:12:01.160Today we're just having the immediate family because even members of my family are attacking me.
00:12:06.540How dare you do anything that enables this new Adolf Hitler?
00:12:10.420That's the way they think of Donald Trump.
00:12:12.520Now, if you think of him that way, then you don't care about the rule of law.
00:12:17.320So many liberals, so many progressives, so many left-wingers have told me they know they're sacrificing the rule of law, but it's worth it to get Trump.
00:12:26.440If we don't get Trump, it'll be worse.
00:12:29.420And the thesis of my book, I say that right in my first chapter, it's much more dangerous and much more of a negative precedent in the future.
00:12:38.420If we compromise our rule of law in order to prevent somebody who you think is dangerous, people disagree.
00:13:48.940There's not even a misdemeanor here or a felony.
00:13:51.280This is the easiest case any first-year student couldn't lose if the name of the defendant wasn't Trump and the name of the borough wasn't Manhattan.
00:14:09.740If you want to understand in this whirlwind of what's going on, Professor Dershowitz has laid out.
00:14:14.040Not just the situation in Manhattan, but also the situation with the grand jury in Washington, D.C., and, of course, in Fulton County, Georgia.
00:14:22.820We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:24.620I'm going to talk to Professor Dershowitz.
00:14:25.960Are the lessons here from the American Revolution or really what the American Bolsheviks looking at, the French Revolution?
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00:16:38.400I'm going to get to Professor Dershowitz here in a second.
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00:17:57.460And my general approach in life is to defend somebody once.
00:18:02.460I don't like to become the kind of consigliere to a family or to a group of people or to any one person.
00:18:09.040So my general rule has been to defend somebody once.
00:18:11.560I will continue to defend him in the court of public opinion.
00:18:14.640And if a gag order is placed on him, I will lead the team of pro bono lawyers who will bring a case to the Supreme Court, not on behalf of Trump himself, but on behalf of all the rest of us in America, millions and millions of people who don't want to see him gag, to want to hear his point of view.
00:19:23.180Not only that, but I've been canceled by independent bookstores.
00:19:26.440Get Trump was this weekend number one, number two on Amazon's nonfiction list.
00:19:31.940But you cannot buy it in an independent bookstore.
00:19:34.660Independent bookstores don't want to carry books called Get Trump.
00:19:38.580And so I can't make it to the New York Times bestseller list because they require that you sell books in independent bookstores.
00:19:45.980So the Times list has become rigged by the inability and the unwillingness of independent bookstores.
00:19:54.620So please buy my book on Amazon, on Simon & Schuster.
00:19:59.460That's the only place you can get it, Barnes & Noble, because if you go into your local bookstore, no, they won't sell that book.
00:20:06.760They'll sell other terrible books, but they won't sell a book that's called Get Trump.
00:20:11.720And so we are seeing a form of censorship in America, obviously.
00:20:15.220I was the most frequent legal writer for the New York Times for probably 40 years, and they have canceled me since I defended Donald Trump.
00:20:25.300So the price of integrity, the price of principle is very high.
00:20:30.320I wrote a book by that name, too, The Price of Principle.
00:20:33.060But I have to incur it because so few other people are doing it.
00:20:37.060There are so few genuine civil liberties advocates still standing that it's so important for me in the last years of my life.
00:20:45.680I'm turning 85 to maintain strongly the commitment to civil liberties without regard to who I vote for.
00:20:52.840You know, Donald Trump wants to tease me about it.
00:22:10.420We need to tell people like Bragg that there's accountability outside of Manhattan and that the American public is watching and that the American public cares about the Constitution, not about Get Trump.
00:22:24.560Professor Dershowitz, it's honored to have you on here.
00:24:24.280Blue collar, a lot of immigrants, a lot of, you know, people of color.
00:24:29.980And so all of this BS that the American Bolsheviks have been spreading about President Trump is not true.
00:24:37.480Black people love him, Hispanics love him, white, you know, any color, Indians.
00:24:45.800A lot of these folks are just so ready to fight for our freedom and to stand with our president and support him as he is going back into the White House in 2024.
00:25:01.140Rebecca, hang on for one second, just say right there, Rebecca Koffler with the staff of these great patriots up in Midtown at Trump Tower.
00:25:09.660Just hang on for one second right there.
00:25:11.160Jack Posovic's downtown outside of Center Street.
00:25:55.600What happens in communist countries is what's happening right now at this courthouse.
00:25:59.540But what doesn't happen in communist countries are these free citizens expressing their right to freedom of speech, expressing their right to oppose this, expressing their right to speak out against corrupt leaders like Alvin Bragg and their backers like George Soros.
00:26:17.460Because that is how you lose freedom, is if people stay home, if they stay silent, if the war room goes off the air, if they take us all down.
00:26:26.260And I addressed this crowd just a few moments ago with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Gavin Wax, and Vish Burra.
00:26:31.780And I said they can silence Donald Trump.
00:48:52.480He called me by name and threatened me.
00:48:54.480The mayor of New York City, I believe, is a thug, and he sent his people here today.
00:48:59.800They had an organized text alert that went out calling what I would say Antifa to bring their whistles, pots and pans,
00:49:08.400all kinds of instruments to make all kinds of noise to drown me out and drown others here today that are protesting and here supporting President Trump.
00:49:17.720The mayor of New York City, Mayor Adams, owes me an apology.
00:52:11.420I'm looking forward to seeing all the media there from around the world and to tell what a despicable act they're doing with Biden and this DA.
00:52:24.040And this guy, what they've done is, with Braggs, I mean, this is just horrific and it's wrong.