Episode 2709： Lies Of The EPA; The Failing Of The US Navy
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Summary
Questions still remain over who authorized a controlled release of toxic chemicals into the air after a train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. On February 7th, a Norfolk Southern train derailed into a creek, unleashing a flood of chemicals that has sickened scores of people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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The second, you know, when they were told to pull up the tracks,
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they said that they are releasing with every shovel full,
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releasing butylacrylate and other chemicals in the air up there,
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So I have filmed weekly on a weekly basis in this creek since this happened.
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And as they are digging, more chemicals are coming.
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And when they put these up here, they're spewing chemicals into the air.
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So I went there specifically to ask for air monitors.
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There is not an air monitor by any of those machines.
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If this was a regular construction crew, this site would be shut down.
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There are kids playing right here, breathing in those chemicals, playing in the creek.
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There should be a cyclone fence, and there should be signs,
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enter at your own risk where deadly chemicals are hazardous chemicals in the air.
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Let me ask you, if they came to you and laid through the program or the process,
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One is exactly what they're trying to accomplish.
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The other is how they execute on it, right, with the fences and keeping kids away.
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If they came and made a presentation to a town hall,
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you guys could attend and ask questions and walk through the process, right,
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I said from the beginning, why doesn't the Army Corps of Engineers come here
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Like, they say they can't do it because they said as they're working on the crash site
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Why don't they dam it up and reroute, go around the crash site and bring the water
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The head of the Environmental Protection Agency says toxic threats he's seen
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in communities like East Palestine, Ohio, are unacceptable in our country.
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That whole town is a chemical cocktail, and we're all lab rats.
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You're just looking at some of the ones who have been marked.
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Today, EPA Administrator Michael Regan testified today before the Senate Appropriations Committee
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Regan's comments come as News Nation has learned that residents in East Palestine,
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Ohio, are dealing with what one expert calls the fentanyl of chemicals.
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I've spoken to families who've been sickened by the air they breathe.
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I've met with people who live with toxic waste in their backyard,
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and I've seen conditions that are simply unacceptable in the United States of America.
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Questions still remain over who authorized a controlled burn following the Norfolk Southern
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News Nation investigative correspondent Rich McHugh is on the ground tonight in East Palestine, Ohio.
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The big lingering question here in this toxic disaster is who ordered the controlled release,
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the slow burn of the vinyl chloride into the atmosphere here?
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Norfolk Southern says it was a decision made with Ohio officials and the EPA.
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The EPA says they were not consulted, and this was a decision that they did not sign off on.
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Now, we're learning more on who drove this decision.
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On February 7th, three days after the Norfolk Southern train derailment in East Palestine,
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Norfolk Southern conducted what it called a controlled burn,
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releasing 116,000 gallons of vinyl chloride into the air.
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I'm looking very closely at who made the decision to set the vinyl chloride on fire.
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I think that decision will be a major factor in the lives of many communities in Pennsylvania
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On February 14th, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine said he was among those involved in the decision.
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We then made the decision to go ahead with the second option, which was the controlled release.
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But on March 9th, Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw told Congress this.
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That decision was made by Unified Command under the direction of the incident commander.
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News Nation has reached out to Fire Chief Drabeck, but he has not responded.
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And it's unclear who had the legal authority to order a controlled burn.
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Having him make that monumental decision doesn't seem logical to me.
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Further, I was on a meeting with the EPA recently and asked them why they signed off on the decision
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to do the open burn, and they told me they did not sign off.
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The EPA told me that they were not asked about whether or not to do the open burn of vinyl chloride
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And testimony from Eric Brewer, Director of Emergency Services for Beaver County,
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suggests it was Norfolk Southern who recommended burning the vinyl chloride.
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We learned that Norfolk Southern wanted to do a controlled detonation of the tank car in question.
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We were assured this was the safest way to mitigate the problem.
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During one of those planning meetings, we learned from Norfolk Southern
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that they now wanted to do the controlled detonation on five of the tank cars rather than just the one.
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This changed the entire plan as it would now impact a much larger area.
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In a statement to News Nation, Norfolk Southern writes,
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Norfolk Southern alerted incident command of the potential for a catastrophic explosion
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and advised a controlled release as the safest option.
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The final decision to execute their plan was made Monday morning by the incident commander
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after discussions and consultation with Governor DeWine, Governor Shapiro,
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Ohio state agencies, Pennsylvania state agencies, the U.S. EPA, us,
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Now, I've spoken with the EPA, and we are expecting a statement from them.
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But to reiterate, the EPA says they were not consulted and that they did not sign off on this.
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And for the folks in East Palestine, we're going to keep hammering.
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Because now they are focused around the issues we told you they had to be focused around.
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And everybody's pointing the finger in a different direction.
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And Jeff was assistant attorney general in charge of this kind of entire area,
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particularly refereeing with the EPA, and he was the one that laid out a couple of months ago
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There's still too much fuzziness in nomenclature.
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There was a controlled release, quote-unquote, into the ditch of the liquid,
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Because they said if you didn't do that, it was going to blow up and send shards everywhere of iron everywhere and steel.
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And then once it was in the ditch, there was a, quote-unquote, controlled burn
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They've got the, now they focus, as you said, Jeff Clark, in the incident commander,
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but they're sticking it on the poor fire chief.
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The fire chief, it's so far above his pay grade and his billet to make that decision.
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Talk to us about what we know as of today, Jeff Clark, how you've nailed this,
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And it's important to just keep hammering this, as you say, for the people of East Palestine.
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Let's take a step back and look at how this has evolved, right?
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So Norfolk Southern says that the fire chief was the incident commander.
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He made the call to do the controlled burn and the release to the ditch, okay?
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That's questionable in and of itself, but that's what they said.
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And that's what they also told the Senate, right?
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Next, we had the folks from DOT, I think, you know, at Pete Buttigieg's attempt to kind of cover his ass,
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telling CNN that the EPA administrator made the call to, and the EPA people made the call to do that controlled burn, okay?
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Then we have the fact that EPA says they did not do it, that it was Norfolk Southern, okay?
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And then we have the Pennsylvania witness you just showed at the end of the clips saying that Norfolk Southern did it, right?
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So you have, like, a complete circular motion as to who supposedly did this.
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They're all pointing fingers at each other, and there are two witnesses who say that it was Norfolk Southern who did this,
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But hang on, but hang on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop.
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Norfolk Southern has no authority in this position whatsoever.
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As soon as it crashes, it goes off the rail, you go to the National Response Center.
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It goes to the National Response Center automatically, by definition, the National Response Center.
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You have an, then it goes back, it has an incident commander, right?
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That incident commander, correct me if I'm wrong, is a senior EPA official.
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I just want to walk through, that is the regulation in black and white, is it not, sir?
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So there's a statute on point, as I pointed out before to you, Steve.
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It's the Clean Water Act, Section 311C, and it specifically directs that the president shall direct all response actions,
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And then there's an executive order that delegates that power either to the Coast Guard,
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if you're talking about something that's, you know, off on the sea,
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or to here, because you're talking about an inland water, to EPA.
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So EPA can't just sit back and let Norfolk Southern drive the train, as it were.
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And you have this former EPA official, and now EPA itself, basically admitting that they did not follow the law,
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So that's expedient for them, because they can try to say, oh, it's Norfolk Southern, and point the finger at them.
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But it's simultaneously admitting that they did not carry through with their duties under the law.
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And that former EPA official you saw in the clips, Judith, she needs to talk to the EPA IG as soon as possible
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to give her perspective about how this should have happened and how the story makes no sense.
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She also needs to be interviewed by the criminal lawyers that Governor Shapiro said he was going to sick on this.
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So this is, you know, a bombshell piece of new information, Steve.
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And whatever way you look at it, EPA either, you know, fell down under their duties under the law
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or they're just trying to engage in a CYA exercise.
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The point I was making in East Palestine is that you pay $6 trillion a year for this.
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The EPA is going to be the biggest one that they come out whining about that you can't cut it, you can't cut it, you can't cut it.
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This, I would argue, is their most important function among everything.
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When a hazardous material event happens, the EPA is supposed to be the on-scene commander.
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They're checking creeks all the time and, you know, checking all this environmental stuff, whether it makes sense or not.
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But this is really – this is where they're called into action in the defining moment, right?
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This is what they're supposed to be – the task and purpose of the EPA in the moment of a catastrophe and disaster is to be the on-scene commander.
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The on-scene commander representing the president of the United States, correct?
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How can they have all this shuffling around and Reagan sitting there and he's crying and saying, you know, they're so important.
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Our job is – heck, he was on a plane over to Africa to go on some boondoggle over there on the cult of climate change.
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Why is nobody – how come these guys haven't been in a keel hall?
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And why did the staffs let Norfolk Southern off the hook?
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Why did the Republican staffs not already have this vetted?
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Heck, if War Room can do this two months ago, why can't congressional staffs do it?
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Why are these guys, like, leaning on their rakes, brother?
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Well, Steve, look, I think they've been focused on the genesis of the accident and how to try to make sure that you don't have these train derailments.
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This issue that we've been focused on and putting our finger on deeply for months has been who ordered this controlled burn.
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And you just heard in the clips you played in the cold open an EPA official, former regional administrator of Region 2, say, you know, this seems like a mistaken decision.
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This is what the IG at EPA needs to get to the bottom of.
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And it's also what the Senate EPW committee should be getting to the bottom of.
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It's important for them, you know, to try to minimize and reduce the number of train derailments.
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But this issue of EPA mismanagement is just terrible.
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Jeff, I'm going to ask you to stay for a second because I want to talk to you about I think the Trump legal team picked up something you said on War Room a couple of weeks ago in this Bragg situation.
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Obviously, huge breaking news today in the Proud Boys situation.
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This thing's over when I bought First Republic.
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Western Alliance, which we now found out was trying to sell itself.
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Um, the regional banks in the, wait till these, they start adding in, which they haven't done yet.
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This is what Joe Biden, all you, particularly people under 30, under 40 voted for Joe Biden.
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Uh, what I call the modern day, the 21st century Russian serfs.
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You can't do, you can't do cause you're living like a pauper.
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And one of the reasons you're living like a pauper, you're voting for it.
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And Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders misdirection play that hapless, hapless freak.
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Anybody, anybody's a populist on the left has not figured out that Bernie Sanders is
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Bernie had two chances to take on the Clinton globalist apparatus and you blinked.
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You sucked your thumb and you went over and you crawled in the fetal position in the corner.
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You're going to be a poor clown while you're working like a drone to make the wealthier wealthier.
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Because they're all progressive left Democrats.
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The big guys in the Republican Party, our left, are all backing DeSantis, although they're getting jiggy.
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The super wealthy are all progressive left atheists that believe in this agenda.
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I had Seb Gorka as one of the great strategic minds in our time on here to talk about the Kremlin and to talk about the drone strike and talk about geopolitics and geostrategy.
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But no, Seb comes on and says, no, Bannon, we've got to talk about your Navy and the Bud Light-ism of the United States Navy.
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Jeff Clark, somebody in the Trump orbit and legal are listening, watching the war room because they took your theory of the case with Bragg, and they're now trying to take it to a federal court.
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So, Steve, there's something I don't think a lot of local prosecutors or even state prosecutors know about, which is there's something called the Federal Officer Removal Statute in 28 U.S.C.
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1442, and Bragg, from that perspective, made the mistake of making his entire indictment about incidents, events that occurred after Donald Trump became president, and he has this still kind of not fully fleshed out theory of it being tied to getting elected to federal office.
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So there's clearly a connection between his indictment and Donald Trump's holding of the highest office under the U.S. Constitution.
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That gives Donald Trump and his team the right to remove that case to federal court, and based on New York Times reporting today, it looks like they're going to exercise that option, and they're going to pull the case out of the Manhattan court, local court there, and they're going to pull it into a federal court.
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And I already saw Occupy Democrats whining about that on Twitter, you know, retweet if you disagree with this decision and think it's a maneuver, et cetera.
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Well, it's a procedural right that Congress granted in order to protect federal officials essentially from being hometowned in jurisdictions where they may essentially be taken advantage of.
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And Alvin Bragg has pleaded himself right into that issue by focusing on events that are all 2017, post-January 20th, 2017, or later.
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Jeff, amazing job you've done in the EPA and for the folks in East Palestine, and great job here on deconstructing this.
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I know you've got a lot more of the thoughts and other stuff we're going to cover.
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But how can people – you're over there, one of the partners with RussVote, doing the Lord's work.
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How do people get to you at the center, and how do they get to you on social media?
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So the center is americarenewing.com, Steve, the Center for Renewing America that's behind me here on the logo.
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And I'm at jeffclarkus on Getter and Twitter and at realjeffclark on Truth Social.
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Okay, can we play a clip before I get seven here to upset me no end?
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There's actually a worse clip than that, if we can try to dig it up.
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And we've got the guy who was the shooter of Osama bin Laden, a Navy SEAL, saying,
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Seb Gorka, and you're right, we could talk about the geostrategy of all this,
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but when we talk about the defense of Taiwan, the chip plants, the Straits of Taiwan, the South China Sea,
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You won't explain to the audience what we just watched.
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Does this give you a sense that the Seventh Fleet is combat ready to take on the People's Liberation Navy?
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Yeah, you need to watch the full vomitous video of this pervert who changes in and out of women's clothing
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and a naval combat uniform, because as Secretary Wilkie, who served in both the Navy and the Air Force,
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pointed out on my show today, parts of that video, Steve, are filmed on a U.S. naval vessel.
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There can be no sexually explicit activity on a naval vessel, and it's being done by somebody in drag.
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When I first saw this, I thought this was like trolling.
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I thought this was a deep fake, and it was just meant to get a rise out of patriots and conservatives, but it's not.
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The U.S. Navy direct commissioned a drag queen to become a recruiter for the most powerful navy in the world,
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the only navy with 12 nuclear aircraft carriers, and it's not an accident.
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I've been ragging on this person for two years now.
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The chief of naval operations, Admiral Gilday, this five-foot-nothing insult to the U.S. Navy,
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pushed a video around the whole fleet, a 12-minute video, in combats, in his uniform,
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talking about the excessive racism in the U.S. Navy, just literally kneeling and performing fellatio on the BLM movement
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as the chief of naval operations, and what happens two years later?
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Now we have a drag queen on one of our fighting vessels, a man dressed as a woman.
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You keep talking about me being the national security advisor for the next Trump administration,
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You know, the band's getting back together with the president of Mar-a-Lago.
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I want to know what you're going to do, because you better not be hosting the war room.
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I want you back in service to the nation and firing all the flag officers like Gilday
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who are responsible for weakening America like nobody has ever done,
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After I take out the evil dwarf that is Rupert Murdoch and Foxes with like a dollar,
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like it should be, we're going to take it over and change it from TV for stupid people
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President Trump can see me every night on TV, and I'm just kidding.
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The hobbits need it, and the hobbits are the power.
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They're 8,000 recruits short for meeting their manning goals.
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Instead of looking for red-blooded American men and women,
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what do they do about going back to the honor of John Paul Jones?
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I have not yet begun to fight the great fighting tradition of the greatest Navy
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Even better, I would argue, than the Royal Navy at the top of their game.
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They go out and commission a guy who dresses up as a woman
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to do sexually provocative things and mock everybody,
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mock our traditions, mock the Judeo-Christian West,
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mock the fighting spirit of the Navy to be a recruiting influencer.
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did things in theater that destroyed my family,
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gave me mental and physical anguish for the rest of my life.
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You know better than anyone, the Cold War, right?
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There's the double agents, the Kim Philbys, the Aldrich Ames, the Hansons.
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Seb Gorka, this drone strike either did or did not happen.
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It was either done by the Ukrainians, the Russians, the Americans.
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But it looks like it's more and more real every day.
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If you're doing a drone strike, you should probably attack the place where your target
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So it's the most incompetent assassination attempt we've ever seen.
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Or it's the Russians trying to, you know, up the anti domestically.
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And also, you don't detonate it above the site.
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Whether it was the Ukrainians, just a double middle finger to red square, I don't know.
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I think that we're very close with the spring offensive to escalating this thing terribly,
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And I think this is going to be a big issue and it's not going to end well.
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I was listening to a Russian analyst last night, a video analyst of the drone attack.
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And he said, whether or not this is Ukrainian or Russian is irrelevant.
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If this war continues, Ukrainians will take action on Russian soil, which is an interesting
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If you've been invaded by an external force, sooner or later, wars tend to spread in that
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direction that the invading force pays the price.
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So whether or not this drone is Ukrainian is irrespective.
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Thanks to the Holomodor, the Ukrainians will fight to the last 12-year-old with a sharpened
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And as a result, actual, real conflict, not false flag operations on Russian soil probably
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I heard in the break who you're going to have on next and I just right now in front of all
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the hobbits of the Shire, all the MAGA loyalists out there.
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I want to salute Julie Kelly for everything she has done at American Greatness and for telling
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the truth about January 6th and our political prisoners.
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Let me do, let me do a little clip and get Julie in here.
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She's going to, Julie's going to give it to you with a bark on today.
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So let's go ahead and play the clip and bring in Julie.
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So there is a huge domestic terrorism problem in this country, as the Department of Justice
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That is one of the reasons, as was just noted, this is such an important victory for not just
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the Justice Department, but for all of us to combat the idea that you can not just voice
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your opinions, but you can do so through violence.
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This is now the 14th conviction of the most serious charge, seditious conspiracy, which
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did where we had nine convictions with respect to Oath Keepers.
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We now have had five convictions with respect to the Proud Boys.
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I do think it amps the pressure up on Jack Smith because so far the leader, the person who
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caused all of this to take place has not yet been charged.
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And so the question of should there be charges against the former president becomes one that
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I think answers itself when you see people, lower level people, such as people who are
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This is the psycho Weissman, the psycho who's been after Trump since he got elected.
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Julie, I thought the Proud Boys were a group of guys got together and drank beer.
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First of all, why does Andrew Weissman talk like a valley girl?
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I don't think he's a grown, I don't think he's a grown man, ma'am.
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I don't think he's a grown man, but I digress, but I digress.
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Unfortunately, what he said, so what happened in the Proud Boys trial today, what he's gloating
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about and what Merrick Garland and Christopher Wray and Matthew Graves and Lisa Monaco had
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their press conference this afternoon to brag about these seditious conspiracy convictions.
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Four out of five members of the Proud Boys, including their leader, Enrique Tarrio, convicted
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They also were convicted on other conspiracy counts, obstruction of an official proceeding.
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The jury had some mixed verdicts for some of the lower counts.
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But these are huge bombshells and big victories for the DOJ.
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Not tough to do in the D.C., Banana Republic, judicial and legal circle of hell, I've called
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Very easy to do, especially when the foreman of the jury referred to January 6th as an insurrection
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during the jury selection process and called BLM basically social justice warriors.
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That was the foreperson for the jury, just to give you a taste of what these men were up
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This was not an incident of domestic terrorism.
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This is a First Amendment case, as are many of the January 6th cases.
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But this is just another way for this Department of Justice to retaliate against Americans who
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protested Joe Biden's election and to criminalize political dissent in this country, which this
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DOJ is doing very successfully with every trial and every conviction.
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You know, you don't have that press conference, as I said, with the heaviest hitters out of
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So you can brag about getting, you know, convictions for Zachary real.
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No Americans ever really even heard about outside of Washington, D.C.
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This is, as Weissman said in his California accent, that this is the way to go after Donald
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And Jack Smith, I use quotes, Jack Smith, the pretend special prosecutor handpicked by
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Merrick Garland, will now be armed with these convictions with this same evidence to present
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to the grand jury now probing indictments against Donald Trump.
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But look, Steve, I explained in my pieces on American Greatness the reason why the Department
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of Justice used Donald Trump as a key figure in this case and in this trial.
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I was there for closing arguments in D.C. last week.
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The assistant U.S. attorney, Conor Mulroo, his first video clip he showed the jury in closing
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It was the clip of Donald Trump from September 2020 in that presidential debate telling the
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That was used by this DOJ as sort of a call to arms of sorts, where the president was instructing
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the Proud Boys to plan for January 6th, even though nothing had been planned by that point.
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But they stitched together this case, not to keep these men in jail for decades, which will
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happen, but to eventually go after, as you said, the man Andrew Weissman has wanted in jail
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now for more than seven years, and that man is Donald Trump.
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But what they did in this trial, you followed this closely, and you did great reporting.
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I guess they went back to build this, because it hasn't been used in, I guess, over 100 years.
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They went back to their group chats about how they were planning this?
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I mean, it seems like a reach to be able to get to this verdict.
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So it was mostly, most of the evidence was gleaned from about 500,000 messages that were
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collected in this case, including messages, Steve, by an unknown number of FBI informants
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But they were also embedded in these group chats, talking about the stolen election, talking
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about plans to go to D.C., not just on January 6th, but December of 2020, for the Stop the
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Steele rallies to protect people, there were clashes between the Proud Boys and BLM and
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That sort of evidence was presented to the jury.
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How do you overthrow the government by force, Steve, when you bring no weapons to the Capitol?
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When you stop at food trucks on your way from the Washington Monument to the Capitol?
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When in Ethan Nordean's case, he walked through doors that had been opened by police as Capitol
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When you haven't assaulted any police officers.
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I mean, this is the crazy sort of cases, evidence.
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Was that all presented by the defense attorneys?
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Was all that brought up in the opening statements presented as evidence and then in the closing
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I mean, they, they did as best as they could to explain that a lot of this was just talk.
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One of the defense attorneys described the case as very best.
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Then what, what, what, then what, what did the government show besides the text messages
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that convinced the jury that this was a conspiracy?
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They showed videos of some of the proud boys, Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs, uh, at that
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Uh, you remember with Ryan Samsel, the man with the red hat turned backwards and Ray Epps,
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by the way, made several appearances in the evidence, especially in the last week of the
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They showed videos of them making their own videos, you know, posting on social media,
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sort of bragging about what happened on January 6th.
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So there were some video clips that were, um, presented.
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So that is the bulk, uh, of the evidence, but you don't see any of the proud boys.
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One of them, Dominic Pizzola is accused of using a riot shield to break a window.
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He's the only one charged with destroying any government property.
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Um, so this is the sort of really, as another defense attorney said, case built by, uh, paper
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It didn't matter though, Steve, because you're going before a jury made up of voters from
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I mean, these people have open hostility contempt for Donald Trump and his supporters.
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This trial never should have taken place in Washington, DC, but judge Tim Kelly, who's
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the real villain here, by the way, refused to move this out of Washington, DC to another
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jurisdiction where they would have had a more fairer shot at a legitimate trial.
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Um, you know, jury selection was going on when the January 6th select committee was tagging
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But what Julie Kelly has basically been chronicling the last couple of years is now in high relief.
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This is about Donald John Trump, the 45th and soon-to-be 47th president of the United States, and they're coming after him.
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He is going to go on a man's shopping spree to celebrate.
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They were, the Proud Boys were convicted of destroying one piece of government property, which was a fence outside.
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The window smashing, that was only Dominic Pizzola.
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The same fence that we got on camera, Ray Epps, pushing back and forth that fence.
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I've written about this and said this for weeks and months.
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My piece last week was laying out exactly this roadmap that kind of ended today with these convictions
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and emboldening Jack Smith and emboldening Jack Smith to bring these criminal indictments.
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I would suspect that that will happen within the next few months.
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So this is going to be a source of continual headlines for the left and for Democrats against Donald Trump
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and exposing his legal jeopardy until they finally do indict him.
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Now, they could choose not to pursue seditious conspiracy charges, Steve.
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But I never for a while thought that they would bring seditious conspiracy charges against him.
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But now with this and then the two Oath Keeper trials where six Oath Keepers were found guilty by a jury on those same charges,
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connecting all of that to Donald Trump, I think, certainly escalates that risk for him.
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We'll spend more time on this and get to the bottom of it all.
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By the way, the scuttlebutt is that's why the D.A. in Fulton County is backed off till August
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because Jack Smith is going to move before then.
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But I'm just passing on the federal courthouse scuttlebutt, right, what the word of the day is there.
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Julie Kelly, how do people get to you for your great reporting?
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All my work can be found at American Greatness and Greatness.com.
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I'm on Twitter quite a lot reporting with breaking news, Julie underscore Kelly, too.
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And same with Getter and Truth, Julie underscore Kelly.
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Thank you for covering this in the depth and brilliance that you do.
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Okay, next hour, Bishop Schneider is going to be in the house.
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