In this episode of Out of Order, host STEPHEN K. VAN NOVAN sits down with former Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper to discuss his most recent report on the use of surveillance by the U.S. government to gather intelligence on a foreign intelligence contractor.
00:01:17.420You had years, you had years to find out the answer to what Mr. Jordan said was the seminal question and you don't have it.
00:01:23.700And it just begs the question whether or not you were really trying to find that out.
00:01:28.960Because it's one thing to criticize the FBI for their FISA violations, to write a report.
00:01:35.520They've been criticized in plenty of reports.
00:01:37.420Some have referred to your work as just a repackaging and regurgitation of what the inspector general already told us.
00:01:43.740So if you weren't going to do what Mr. Jordan said you were going to do in that video and give us the basis for all of it, what's this all been about?
00:01:55.260Well, I'm not exactly sure of the import of your question.
00:01:57.820If your question is, do we try to locate and interview Mr. Mifsud, the answer is yes.
00:02:04.000Why didn't you subpoena him to a grand jury?
00:12:27.580If you want to do an aggressive investigation, you don't go grab a Republican prosecutor from, you know, up in New England and assign him to do it.
00:12:37.540It reminds me of sending all the Hunter Biden stuff to the Delaware U.S. attorney, right?
00:12:45.960It was Bill Barr and Durham working together to contain the damage, as Matt Gaetz put it, to inoculate the hires up.
00:12:55.360It's completely ridiculous, as Cash just said, that these people were not, you know, summoned in, right?
00:13:01.740There was no Comey subpoenaed, no Priestap, no Simpson, no Elias, no Jaffe, no Christopher Steele, no Igor Danchenko, no Strzok, no McCabe.
00:13:12.520And, you know, there's the Oval Office meeting he revealed in August of 2016.
00:13:19.360So that's like one, you know, new kind of thing.
00:13:22.960But that, you know, he didn't call in President Obama, who was involved in learning that it was an op and a soft coup or maybe even hard coup against President Trump at that point.
00:24:37.160Steve, I wish I knew the answer to that.
00:24:38.860I have no idea what the leadership in Congress on the Republican side and the chairman and women are talking about when they get together biweekly.
00:26:09.000You say there's, you could give them today very aggressive, like U.S. attorneys and other assistant U.S. attorneys, people in the process yourself, that would be very aggressive.
00:26:37.840Make sure you call Jim Jordan's office and say, hey, we want the investigation that Durham was the opening salvo.
00:26:43.720We want to take the Durham report, and now we want to have real hearings about the people they named that were not subpoenaed by Durham, essentially, correct?
00:27:23.380Judiciary, if you didn't have Matt Gaetz yesterday and a couple of others, nothing – they were making him St. Durham.
00:27:28.480And it's a disaster, particularly for guys like you and John Sum and others, Hannity, that did a good job in trying to support this guy and get information out over years and years and years to see him.
00:27:39.680That was – he was a homunculus yesterday, right?
00:27:42.140It was just some worm, right, that was getting beaten by the Democrats and then trying to be held up by the Republicans until Gates came in and said, hey, this was an op.
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00:30:03.520Everything we're talking about, from the shift, the op, that Intel ran against President Trump initially,
00:30:11.280to this shift situation, to the Durham failure, to what's happening in Cuba, the CCP.
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00:30:34.860The entire situation is Cuba is to get us out of Taiwan and to make sure that we back off Taiwan and essentially turn over the, as Juarez was talking about, the advanced chip design plants to the Chinese Communist Party that would choke down the American economy.
00:31:08.200At the same time, they're coming after our economy.
00:31:10.640They're coming after the dollar, and they're coming hard.
00:31:13.300And, of course, we're not helping it, because you've got a radical Fed that continues to print money to support the Biden regime's $6.8 trillion budget this year.
00:31:22.200It's going to have a $2 trillion deficit.
00:31:23.700And, of course, McCarthy, the same weakness that won't go after these guys, the same guys taking money from Sequoia Capital, right, Sequoia Capital, a CCP front with Neil Shen, the same guys paying for using your pension money to pay for advanced artificial intelligence technology of the CCP.
00:31:41.260Those same guys know there is absolutely no teeth right now to these investigations, no teeth.
00:31:47.680And you saw it on full display yesterday.
00:31:49.720Durham was treated like St. Durham, St. John Durham.
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00:32:44.800He's exposing, and he's doing it both ways, both their compromise financially, right, the way he's annotated this website, and he's showing, quite frankly, the perversion.
00:32:55.520New York Post reporting today the top-secret sex club, the high-end sex club in Los Angeles kicked Hunter Biden out after his first night there for being too big a pervert for those guys who are kind of professional perverts.
00:33:10.520Garrett Ziegler, down in Arkansas, the first couple of questions.
00:33:13.300You filed a bunch of suits last night, or you're in it against this Hollywood lawyer, Kevin Morris, I think, who's funding all of this.
00:33:22.080But the rumor's coming out, and you were down there last week.
00:33:27.520Did the baby mama, did she cut a deal that, like, not make Hunter pay the $20,000 a month because he's too impoverished and only take $5,000?
00:33:35.300That's what I think the New York Post is reporting.
00:33:38.020Well, first of all, nothing's been settled.
00:33:39.800And, in fact, the article in the New York Post by Miranda Devine, the first article was taken down 32 minutes after it was initially posted because the Biden camp leaked.
00:33:52.080Sealed confidential information from the discovery, you know, cache of materials to Miranda Devine.
00:34:02.840And then Miranda Devine, for some reason, obeyed their demands and took the article down.
00:34:10.700So the very thing that Abby Lowell, in his nasally voice, told the court in Arkansas that I did, that I've been leaking to the media on May 1st in front of everyone.
00:35:39.180Number three, this exercise in Arkansas, again, just shows how much of – how much evil resides in the Biden family because even after Hunter has been proved to be the father, they do not recognize her.
00:35:59.980And it's – we can go into this more, but it's a Tom Wolfe novel on display in America.
00:36:07.620But I think it is second importance to the investigations we were talking about into the Biden family.
00:36:48.380Why can't those guys track back that this guy – besides his art, besides the bribes they're paying for these phony books because he's got – the book publishers are giving me money for a phony book.
00:36:58.460They got – the art guys are clearly just bribing him with his crap art, right?
00:37:04.080Why can't you prove that these guys are sitting on a lot of cash?
00:37:07.140That judge should just go get the bank records or call Comer and just have them handed to him.
00:37:12.760Why don't they do – why don't her lawyers do that?
00:37:14.860It takes a lot of money to fly in a private jet to your child's alimony here.
00:37:18.240Is Morris the guy you got – talk about your slap.
00:37:21.360Is Morris underwriting this entire thing, underwriting him flying around?
00:38:43.620This has got less chance of going to trial than Murdoch Haddock being the first guy, the first witness called a dominion.
00:38:49.780Well, I hope you're wrong and I'm doing everything for my perch.
00:38:54.640I know you are, but okay, note to self, hey, write this one down.
00:38:58.460The reason I'm not going to go to trial is you'd be a witness.
00:39:01.860I would think in the Biden crime family, they said, you know, we probably don't want that madman, Garrett Ziegler down, with the computer brain, sitting in an open court down in Arkansas, getting ass teed up.
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00:47:01.940By the way, the war room engine room, just wanted me to mention, ask you about, but Durham's done this before in the Whitey Bulger case, right?
00:47:10.380Didn't he protect Comey and all those guys in the...