Episode 3237: Going On The Offense Against Ukraine Spending
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Summary
Sen. J.D. Vance (D-VA) joins Jake Tapper (R-NJ) to discuss the crisis in Ukraine and the need for $61B in aid to Ukraine, and why the White House should not be writing the checks.
Transcript
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I ask, Zelensky, coming again, desperately needs the money.
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I heard you say on way too early, man, we better give him the money.
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And you've got the world now, it's just Zelensky saying, I desperately must have this money
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where Ukraine is toast in this war, number one.
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And you've got the world looking and saying, man, if Donald Trump gets elected president,
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they're seeing these polls and the fact that Trump's, if not the favorite,
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even neck and neck with Joe Biden, they're saying the first thing he's going to do
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is dump out a NATO, and the first people who are going to feel that
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is going to be Vladimir Zelensky in the Ukraine.
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And when you think about this optic of the president of Ukraine,
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you need to come to Washington to sort of prop up what ought to be the most obvious
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given how cost effective it is to take out Vladimir Putin.
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Well, so first of all, Jake, I think it's possible to have separate debates.
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In fact, congressional Republicans tried to force an Israel alone
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aid package just a couple of weeks ago that Democrats blocked in the Senate.
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But on the Ukraine question in particular, everybody knows,
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knows that this was always going to end in negotiation.
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The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 borders was preposterous.
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So what we're saying to the president and really to the entire world is
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What is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn't?
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We should remember, Jake, Ukraine is functionally destroyed as a country.
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The average age of a soldier in the Ukrainian army right now is 43.
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the average age of a Ukrainian soldier is going to be older than you.
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And then a year later, it could be a wolf blitzer.
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I don't like this age graph thing you're doing.
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We are getting to a place where we're going to be functionally on the hook
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to pay for Ukrainian pensioners, to rebuild the entire country.
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And that's what American leadership should be doing.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It is Monday, 11 December in the year of our Lord, 2023.
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We've got a lot going on, but we're going to start with something quite vital and urgent.
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The situation in Ukraine, and the reason it's vital and urgent, and we're starting today with everything else we've got to cover, and we're honored to have Senator J.D. Vance in the war room today, is, and I don't know in what environment we're working in, Zelensky's on a plane and coming here tomorrow.
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Look, this is now a debate, a needed debate in the Senate, in the House, about the American empire, what's going on here, spending.
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I'm offended that Zelensky thinks in his – you saw Stavridis in this clown show over at Morning Joe that had been dead wrong since the first day of the war.
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To give him a situation in Biden, Blinken, that he can come over here and intrude himself in what is really domestic politics now in the United States, Senator.
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You have a foreign leader coming to the United States like we're some sort of geopolitical salvation army.
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That is not the role of the United States here is to hand out money to every beggar who comes into our country and demands that we fund their foreign conflict.
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We have to understand that Republicans for once in this town have actually stood pretty firm the last couple of weeks on the question of border security and said you're not going to get another dime for Ukraine unless you do something serious about the American southern border.
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So Zelensky is parachuting into this domestic political debate about prioritizing our own border.
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He's not here to tell us anything we haven't heard before.
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He's here to badger and browbeat Speaker Johnson and Senate Republicans into foregoing our negotiations on border security in order to write him another blank check.
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This is not Churchill coming in the midst of World War II.
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This is literally a guy begging for a handout and telling Republicans to stop negotiating over your own border security.
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As a United States senator, I'm offended by it.
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We should be focused on our own border and be having that debate.
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We don't need Zelensky to parachute and tell us how to run our country.
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I want to get to the Tapper thing in a minute because that was the best description of our situation, geopolitically, financially, security.
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Of course, you were throwing out a few heckles, right, with the wolf look.
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And Jake Tapper sitting there like he's never heard it before.
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I don't think we ought to hold our border hostage and give money to Ukraine.
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However, again, at least I like the attempt to bring the real border security up.
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Was it not basically totally and completely rejected by the Democrats?
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Look, it has been totally and completely rejected by the Democrats.
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All of us voted against cloture on the president's supplemental package.
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One of the first times I think Republicans have used their leverage in the minority in the United States Senate.
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The Democrats are desperate to get more money to Ukraine.
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Republicans, at least most of us, are desperate to get real border security.
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By the way, it's the most important issue in the country, of course, is the American border.
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That is where Zelensky is coming in here, is in the middle of this domestic political negotiation between Democrats and Republicans.
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Biden, I guarantee what happened, is Biden or Blinken called Zelensky and said Republicans actually are caring more about the border
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You've got to come in here and badger these guys and heckle them and make them feel guilty about actually governing their own country for once.
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I want to go back to the Tapper thing yesterday.
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This is about the eastern Russian-speaking border in Ukraine, all these promises that were made.
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There's no possibility that you're going to get Crimea back or those eastern provinces.
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In fact, over the weekend, all the talk out of the British papers is that the Russians are now looking at a winter offensive,
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Why does it seem CNN and these people don't even under – when you're laying out these basic facts that are indisputable,
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it's like the first time Jake Tapper ever heard it.
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Look, Steve, it is a fantasy land these people are living in to think that you're going to go back to the 1991 borders of Ukraine.
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There is no military possibility that it will be happening.
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I've been saying it for a year, and now finally at least some people in the press are starting to listen to me.
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When you talk to people in Europe, when you talk to diplomats – we've had diplomats and heads of state come in and visit our Senate office –
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you hear five different things from five different people.
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One person will say we've got to push them back to the 1991 borders.
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One person will say we've got to retake the land bridge to Crimea.
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These people have no idea what the hell they're trying to accomplish.
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So why are we going to write them $61 billion when they don't even know what it's for?
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Has anybody walked the Senate through – because it's just not $61 billion.
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The point you made that's not made enough on mainstream media is that we're now in the situation of underwriting their pensions,
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It's 61 now, but just like Afghanistan, it's another 61 after that, another 61 after that.
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We're going to be a half a trillion dollars in this thing before Trump gets back to office.
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We're going to be asked to rebuild their entire country.
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That's after funding another $100, $200 billion in military conflict.
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There's $300 billion on top of that to rebuild the country.
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We're getting easily a half a trillion dollars in the hole for the Ukraine conflict by the time this is done.
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And, Steve, at the very same time, you have people in this town saying we need to cut Social Security.
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There are people who would cut Social Security, throw our grandparents into poverty.
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So that one of Zelensky's ministers can buy a bigger yacht?
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He's going to – they're going to have a power play tomorrow.
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And how is this going to play out when we know that the Ukrainian military – there's a big rift now inside of Zelensky's government.
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How are you guys going to handle that when he comes – where the elephant in the room is that his own government is coming apart, particularly his military high command, which is saying, hey, we don't want to be left on the hook for this thing.
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It wasn't our recommendations like at Bakhmut and other places.
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We need to have some negotiation or at least have some rationality that the Russians could have a big counteroffensive in the winter.
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Were you asking what should happen or what is going to happen, Steve?
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Because these are two very different questions.
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What is going to happen is that this guy is going to give a speech.
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I would be shocked if we even get an opportunity to ask any real questions, at least the folks –
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He will come to the Senate, you're saying, by himself.
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We should be asking, why is your own government?
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Why are the leaders of your military, the leaders of your parliamentary party saying you need to negotiate?
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Why are you saying that this is a war for democracy when you guys have suspended your presidential election basically indefinitely in Ukraine?
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We should be asking tough questions here, but that doesn't happen when Zelensky comes to town, Steve.
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Look, I don't mind him coming to America and making his case.
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What really bothers me is that American political leaders – I hate to say it, way too many Republicans – are unwilling to actually hold this guy's feet to the fire and ask them the tough questions.
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If we're going to write you more money, which of course I don't think that we should, what are you trying to do with it?
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Are you going to let some of those priests out of prison?
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Are you going to not arrest American journalists because right now they have an American journalist in a Ukrainian jail?
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None of the tough questions get asked, which is why I don't think this is fundamentally about America reevaluating or asking tough questions about the Ukraine policy.
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This is about a guy coming to beg and to guilt trip the United States Senate.
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Why is it when you have all these guys in the Senate that have been around forever is it take someone like you that's coming for your first term – and it made some magnificent speeches, but this is the first thing we've actually been inside the apparatus – that you're one of the rising stars.
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And the reason you're a rising star is the intellectual firepower you're putting on the program.
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We're supposed to have all these guys who have been doing this for years.
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Steve, because they all go through the same institutions.
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They all go through the same schools, the same backgrounds, and they all get programmed to think a particular way.
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A lot of what goes on in foreign policy wisdom in Washington, D.C. is these guys are so desperate to get the invitation to the Munich Security Conference in February.
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They get to go to the fancy parties, and they get nice dinners.
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So the Atlantic magazine has tremendous power up on Capitol Hill.
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And it infects the way that these people think.
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They've gone through 30, 40 years of training to be conventional instead of to ask tough questions.
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Every single American Republican should be asking right now, why is our country in decline?
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Why are we funding a conflict that has no end in sight?
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And unfortunately, I do think sometimes it takes people from the outside, whether it's me.
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Of course, that was the entire story of the Trump presidency is sometimes you need outsiders to come in and shake some things up.
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I got invited to the Munich Security Conference, and I was talking to my national security guy.
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I said I thought they only invited the guys who repeat the conventional wisdom.
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I think even the Atlantic folks, the sort of the Western alliance people, are waking up to the fact this doesn't make any sense.
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There's a story today in the Wall Street Journal, Steve.
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The Wall Street Journal reporting that the United Kingdom thought about selling off museum pieces to help support the Ukrainian conflict.
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The Financial Times of London has their poll, nearly half of Americans, and the questions weren't asked right.
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Half of Americans say we've given too much to Ukraine.
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And by the way, if more Americans heard what you had to say with Jake Tapper, which you've got to get out, the number would be 80-20.
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A lot of talk of future cabinet, the team around Trump.
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President Trump gave you a number of shout-outs on Saturday night.
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Everybody's talking about at the dinner, you're on the short list to be VP.
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Look, honor to be considered, and I want to help the president however I can.
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The thing I remind the president and also a lot of people who talk about VP is what our party really needs is actually America first people at all levels of government.
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You know, Steve, better than I do, that one of the problems of the first Trump administration is the president was being fought by members of his own party in Congress and the Senate.
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Of course, if he asked me to be his vice president, it would be a great honor.
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But I think I'm a most effective advocate for the people of Ohio and also for the agenda in the United States Senate.
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J.D. Vance is representing them from the beginning.
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I'm on all the social media sites, jdvance.com, if they want to come and follow along.
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And please, from the MAGA and from the America first crowd, please do more CNN and MSNBC.
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Your voice, you can tell, Jake Tapper was an absolute shock.
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We've got to actually take the message everywhere because it's the winning message.
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If we have to go on offense, we want to go on offense with Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio.
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I want to go to, I want to thank Senator Vance for taking time to come here.
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With everything we've got going on, NDAA, the impeachment vote on inquiry on Biden.
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Of course, Zelensky drops in the middle of this.
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Agree with Senator Vance, who's the most even-handed guy on this thing and level-headed.
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I want to go to Manhattan now, New York, Boris Epstein.
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He's made a decision, which I strongly advocate is the right decision not to go back in front
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of this, I don't know, Nazi judge, Moscow show.
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Is there any difference in this judge in the Manhattan case and then what Stalin had in
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And it was a great honor to see the one or only Stephen K.
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Bannon in Manhattan on Saturday, historic night with President Trump giving a powerhouse
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speech and talking about this weaponization of government, of law enforcement, and the
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And I know from family firsthand experience what it is like to live through Stalinist show
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trials, what it is like to live through a system where there is not a true independent
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And no, there is absolutely no difference between the targeted law enforcement, the persecutions
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by prosecutors that is happening now, what was happening under Joseph Stalin in the 1930s
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You've got prosecutors with one goal in mind, right?
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As Joseph Stalin says, show me a person, I'll show you a crime.
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Same thing is happening here all across the country.
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You see it obviously here in Manhattan, Manhattan DA and the corrupt New York AG.
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You see it in Georgia, Fulton County DA, Fonnie Wilson, of course, with the one and only
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What is happening is a complete breakdown of the American system of government and their
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Because he's dominating full spectrum dominance all across the board in the race.
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Saw it this morning, the Iowa poll, President Trump up over 50 percent in Iowa.
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So and guess what? In the October poll, Tim Scott and Bergen between the two of them had
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So anybody out there who thinks that the Republican electorate is going for anybody else but President
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Trump, that this MAGA party is going to back anybody else but President Donald J.
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And nationally, at the general election level, President Trump crushing it in Georgia in the
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CNN poll, crushing it in Michigan, full spectrum dominance.
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And the American people see you right through these Stalinist show trials.
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They see you right through this weaponization of law enforcement, of targeting President Trump.
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And they're backing the president because they need him.
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Boris, CNN, the screaming headline on CNN, and you know it had to hurt them to do this, that
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This is a place, by the way, he's being persecuted by finally Willis in Georgia.
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And the electors, the alternative electors are all being prosecuted in those both states.
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Yet today, and the Wall Street Journal poll was amazing.
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Trump up, the crosstabs were insane with President Trump getting from minority voters, from young
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I mean, it's virtually every category right now.
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Yet, on the morning show on Fox, Fox and Friends, they're touting Nikki Haley's, you
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know, her poll, the same Murdoch poll, the poll on, you know, about her versus Biden.
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If you look at any of the independent polling, the Emerson polling, even the CNN polling,
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President Trump beats Joe Biden by higher margins.
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The morning consult, consistent polling, President Trump dominating Joe Biden, while both the
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sanctimonious and the South Carolina governor, Bird Brain, as President Trump calls her, she
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The MAGA electorate, which is 99% of today's Republican Party, is not going to go and back
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Rhonda Sanctimonious has been exposed, exposed as just another uniparty show.
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And with Nikki Haley, how do you know whatever she's saying is true?
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She says one thing one day, oh, I'm not going to run against President Trump.
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I'm telling you this, Nikki Haley's donors are calling me saying, we're going to be with
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My response to them is, that's going to be too late.
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But the bottom line is, even our donors know, they know for a fact, that only President
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Trump could win the primary and can win the general.
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And that is also reflected in that Des Moines Register poll, the Des Moines Register poll,
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which is not friendly to MAGA, not friendly to President Trump, but again, has them up.
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Steve, that poll has President Trump up by the largest margin in the poll's history with
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this little time to go before the actual caucuses.
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Because the electorate in Iowa knows, just like across the country, that President Trump
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is the only one to beat Joe Biden, to beat whoever the Democrats put up there, to save
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And in fact, with everything going on from the Middle East to Ukraine, to the disasters
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all across the country, all across the universe, to save the world.
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Des Moines Register has President Trump over 50 percent.
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And as Boris brings up, every time somebody peels out, the backup vote by folks is President
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Boris, before I let you go, Saturday night was extraordinary.
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And that President Trump, and I thought it was like seeing Frank, the chairman of the
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board, he was his personal stories on so many different levels and his thoughts and insights
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When he went off the script of the speech, the speech itself was great, but when he went
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off, was probably, you know, for almost an hour of it, and told not just the personal
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stories, but gave his insights into what needs to be done.
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I mean, the New York Young Republicans Club down at Cipriani's, absolutely historic event.
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The New York Young Republicans did an amazing job.
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Steve, you, of course, bringing your support and your supporters to the event.
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President Trump calling out your name repeatedly because you've been there from the very beginning.
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You've been there and you were, as President Trump said at the event, when push came to shove
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after that event in October of 2016, you said 100 percent that Donald Trump will win
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And President Trump being there, again, also thanking Rudy Giuliani, the greatest mayor
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in America's history, Bernie Kerik, an American hero.
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The feeling in that room was so vintage 2016, and President Trump delivered one of his absolute
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It was a little bit like Sinatra of the Sands, combined with strength on substance, on policy,
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and leading us to where this country and the world need to go once President Trump is back
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People need to keep up with what Boris is thinking.
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My information on the website, the website is hot.
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And the hottest on the gram, Boris underscore Epstein.
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I want to turn now to a frequent contributor here at the War Room.
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And we normally call her out to come on to help us with matters of history, the Constitution,
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current events as it applies to the direction of this republic.
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But I'm bringing in Dr. Carol Swain today for something totally different.
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Everybody's focused on Stefanik and these presidents of the Ivy League schools about the anti-Semitism,
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But it turns out over the weekend that the president of Harvard, and having gone there
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I'm still gobsmacked, so I want to get you on this morning.
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And thank you for carving out time to actually see if this is true or not.
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I think Rufo and some other people came up with the fact that Dr. Gay actually plagiarized
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Yes, in 1993, I published a book, Black Faces, Black Interest, the Representation of African Americans in Congress.
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That book won three national prizes, was cited by the Supreme Court on three occasions, three different sites.
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And Library Choice Magazine selected the book as one of the outstanding books of its year.
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And so that book, there was a sentence and also part of a paragraph where she used the work,
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And there were other people, Frank Gillian, I believe, and another political scientist whose work was also borrowed from.
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And I personally, I could be more willing to forgive that, maybe that was a mistake,
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but I'm more concerned that her whole research agenda that earned her tenure at,
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I believe she was at Stanford first, and then she was hired and promoted to full professorship at Harvard,
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it really builds on my research. And she does not acknowledge that in her articles,
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she has a whole list of people's, of quote, of citations, but she doesn't really acknowledge the fact
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that she's trying to refute my work, she's trying to build on my work.
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It's like her whole research agenda came from Black Faces, Black Interest, and the impact of my work.
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And I believe that her committee and the reviewers and the people who have pushed her along,
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We've got about a minute. I want to hold you through the break.
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But how could this happen? Your work, I mean, you became, you were a tenured professor at Princeton.
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that work was so seminal. How could they've overlooked, how could she think she's going to steal pieces of it
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and the research and get away with it? And how could the board and others,
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particularly after her thing came out, miss this? Give me, give me 30 seconds of that,
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and then I'll hold you. I don't, how could this have been missed up until now?
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She did get away with it. And there's a white professor that did something very similar.
00:27:21.380
And I believe that when you have a conservative thesis, I was a Democrat at the time,
00:27:26.740
but among some liberals, my work was not very popular. They did not care. They did not care.
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They have always rewarded the left and punished people whose ideas strayed outside the mainstream.
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Dr. Swain, can you please hang on? We're going to take a short commercial break.
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We're going to bring Dr. Carol Swain back. This is a controversy that I think has to be rectified.
00:27:49.840
I think it has to be rectified in the next 24 hours. I don't understand how she can remain,
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even regardless of her debacle presentation in the, in front of Elise Stefanik in the committee the other day.
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This to me is, is just as serious. If the Harvard is going to be a place of any kind of intellectual
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reputation, short commercial break, Dr. Swain to join us on the other side.
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one more time. Because to me, let me ask you, you're one of the, you know, when I look at somebody
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that lived Christianity, I look at Dr. Sweeney. You are, you have a big heart, a tough mind. You're
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very tough minded, but you have a big heart. Do you believe, ma'am, that Dr. Gay, that she has violated
00:32:04.820
enough, the premise of intellectual honesty and truth, given your work and her borrowing from your
00:32:11.600
work and plagiarism of your work and your research over many, many years, that she should step down
00:32:17.240
from Harvard on just this alone? Let's leave aside the anti-Semitic. Just this issue alone, she should
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step down as president of Harvard? Well, based on her record, she would not have been tenured at all
00:32:28.600
based on the work that she produced because it's not original path-breaking work. And so as far as
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the pattern of plagiarism, I think there are more things that have been disturbing about her leadership.
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And I do believe that she should step down as well as the remaining professor that has not resigned
00:32:54.400
because they are not people that have the moral fortitude to lead young people. And it seemed as
00:33:03.640
if they used the same coaches because their responses were very similar. And we can do better in America.
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And as far as I'm concerned, they've pretty much destroyed the Ivy League.
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Dr. Sweeney, one last thing. This has all come up about anti-Semitism. It's come up about anti-Semitism.
00:33:24.400
And their responses and the issues of intifada and these shouts. But isn't it true that conservatives,
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I mean, and quite frankly, Dershowitz and these guys are all big ACLU guys. They pushed DEI.
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DEI was everything. You were one of the lone voices. And people should understand, Dr. Sweeney walked away
00:33:45.140
from Princeton, et cetera. Isn't this deeper than just anti-Semitism? This, really, the new Gestapo
00:33:51.180
at these Ivy League schools against conservative voices like yourself?
00:33:55.940
Well, I can tell you that they have lowered the standards to a whole new law. It's like that low.
00:34:01.420
They have jettisoned any standards. Old-style affirmative action allowed racial and ethnic minorities
00:34:07.720
to get their feet in the door. But you have to prove yourself. And that doesn't seem to be the case
00:34:13.700
today. All you have to do is mild their talking points. And so the white progressives are the real
00:34:21.400
winners. Everyone else is a loser. And Dr. Gay and some of the others have become poster children for my
00:34:30.060
book, The Adversity of Diversity. Because when we look at what they have made of society, whether
00:34:37.520
it's corporations or the colleges and universities, everything is in decline. And it's because of the
00:34:45.160
lowered standards and the social engineering. We need to stop the social engineering. We need to
00:34:51.220
hold everyone to the same standard. We need to go back to our civil rights laws and the Equal Protection
00:34:56.660
Clause of the Constitution. And then we'll be okay.
00:35:02.120
Dr. Sweeney, now more than ever, people need to get your book, but they also need to get to your
00:35:06.080
news site and your writings and your social media. And this is why I'm so proud of having you on the
00:35:12.400
show for so many years. When it gets down to a national debate and the key moment about the
00:35:17.820
supposed to be the intellectual leadership of this country, you're right in the middle of the mix.
00:35:21.780
They stole your work. They stole your work to get ahead. They stole your work to get ahead,
00:35:28.220
and now they've lied about it. How do people get to all your writings, your books, your news site,
00:35:33.760
all of it? Well, Steve, I am on Twitter at carolmswain.com, and I intend to stay until
00:35:41.480
they kick me off. And my website is bethepeoplenews.com. And I also have a site, carolmswain.com.
00:35:51.520
And I believe that there's power talking to everyone and not just preaching to the choir.
00:35:57.960
And I do know that people have changed their minds and hearts because of some of the dialogue
00:36:03.160
that takes place on my site. So I'm out there, you know, fighting the fight as I feel led to do so.
00:36:10.800
And I have no ill will towards Dr. Gay. I believe that the progressives are as responsible as she is
00:36:19.940
because they set up the situation. They allowed it to continue. They're the ones who hand out the rewards.
00:36:27.060
I might add white progressives. When people talk about race, remember,
00:36:33.360
these are white progressives that have done this. Dr. Swain, we love having you on here. You know,
00:36:39.860
the audience loves you. One of the reasons everybody loves you, you're so gentle and so nice,
00:36:44.320
but so intellectually fierce, and you never back down. I think that's why people admire you and love
00:36:49.220
you so much. So thank you very much for coming on today. We're going to continue to focus on this
00:36:53.580
all throughout this week, ma'am. Thank you so much. Take care.
00:37:00.660
You see, Carol Swain's a quality person, incredible intellect, and incredible work.
00:37:08.400
And look what they've done. The president of Harvard should step down immediately.
00:37:11.520
This is beyond the anti-Semitism. That's bad enough. But what she's done and what's been exposed
00:37:16.160
and what Chris Rufo has exposed, and more is going to come out. If you've done it once,
00:37:19.920
more is going to come out. But it shows you, you have the caliber of person of a Dr. Carol Swain,
00:37:25.320
and what did they do? They drive Dr. Swain out. Remember, she was a, she was a tenured,
00:37:29.720
early tenured professor at Princeton. Princeton, you know, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, the big three.
00:37:36.540
And that may be the toughest to get into as an undergraduate now. So it just shows you.
00:37:42.000
Stole her work, plagiarized her work, and now they're lying about it.
00:37:45.940
Jack Posobiec, thank you so much for coming on. Brother, we've got a big, huge event,
00:37:51.860
and I want to make sure everybody, the thing on Saturday for the War Room Posse,
00:37:57.100
we had a huge War Room Posse turnout at the New York Young Republicans Club annual gala.
00:38:02.540
It was amazing, just incredible. President Trump was like I've never seen him before.
00:38:06.540
But we have another big event this coming weekend, and then Monday and Tuesday afterwards,
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the War Room is going to be there. Talk to me. We need every person in the Phoenix,
00:38:14.060
and don't miss this. Number one, they're going to be great events. You're going to learn.
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You're going to meet people. We're going to have, you know, we're going to do meet and greets.
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We're going to do sidebars. But you're going to have a ton of fun.
00:38:24.880
Saturday night, and I'm not a big name in these galas. I go to almost none.
00:38:28.800
The only one I really commit to every year is the New York Young Republicans because of Vish Burrow
00:38:33.300
and Gavin Wax and what they've done to turn that around. But Jack, that was just absolutely a blast.
00:38:38.720
Tell me about Turning Point USA. We've got to have a massive turnout there.
00:38:41.660
Well, Steve, this event that's taking place at Turning Point USA in Phoenix, remember,
00:38:47.740
this is Maricopa County, okay? So at this event, this is going to be the gathering before the storm,
00:38:55.640
very much in the same way that the New York Gala became the gathering there.
00:38:59.900
At Saturday night, we were up there. President Trump was there. Look, when Alexander went to invade
00:39:07.580
Persia, before he invaded Persia, 333 BC, Alexander held a series of banquets with his generals,
00:39:15.920
with his lieutenants to get them ready to prepare for what was to come. This is Alexander and the
00:39:22.980
Macedonians. That was Trump at that gala on Saturday. That's going to be this America Fest
00:39:29.660
out there. These are the banquets where the Macedonians are gathering forward because we are
00:39:35.760
about to march into Persia. We are about to go up against the Persian Empire, Darius, all of it,
00:39:43.860
and he will lead us. President Trump will lead the Macedonians to victory. That's what this was.
00:39:51.120
And so they go, you know, Steve, I don't know, maybe you'd be, I don't know, Steve, I guess,
00:39:54.880
would be like, you'd be Ptolemy, right, I guess, up there. And then so, so Gavin, I guess, is
00:39:59.600
Hephaestus. And you just, you know, you go down the list of, um, we could, we could argue over
00:40:04.420
all I want. All I want. All I want is, of course, is Patroclus.
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All I want is all I want. It all works. Yeah, just get it all works. It all works. It all works.
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Well, yeah, that means you get, you get Nefertiti, you get Cleopatra, you get all of it. It'll be great.
00:40:22.840
So we're, we're walking through, and of course, we can argue over who Achilles is. But when,
00:40:28.280
when we go through that event, uh, on Saturday night of Alexander and the Macedonians, then the
00:40:34.180
next gathering coming forward, the really massive event, this is going to be Phoenix. The reason,
00:40:40.200
Steve, that it's there, that Charlie holds it there, that's Maricopa County, because we know that
00:40:44.820
Maricopa County was the ground zero of the steel of 2020. That one county, more than any other
00:40:52.840
Maricopa County was the one where we know definitively that this was taken away from
00:40:59.160
the president, that it was taken away from the Patriots, and it was taken away from the people
00:41:02.440
of this country. That is why it is incumbent on, for every other Patriot, every single Patriot within
00:41:08.780
the sound of my voice. If you can get there, it is this weekend, the 16th to the 19th. Um, we have,
00:41:15.560
we have everyone. Tucker is coming. I will be there. Steve, you will be there. Charlie will be there.
00:41:19.580
And we're Patrick, but David, we're doing all the shows, Tim pool on Tim cast. All of our shows
00:41:24.200
will be live. All of our shows will be there public. So you can walk up, you can see the war
00:41:29.380
room. You can see human events. Um, I don't, I'm not sure exactly if Tucker will be doing his show
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live, but I know Tim pool will be doing his show live, Patrick, but David, of course, all the people
00:41:39.360
here, real America's voice. This is the gathering, the full gathering of the Macedonians prior to our
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We are going to put our battle plan. And you notice by the way, that president Trump revealed
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some of that battle plan on Saturday night, where he talked about, we are going to put States like
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New York into play. We're going to put New Jersey into play. We're going to put States like Virginia
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play. Now we've got the CNN poll that says Michigan is that Trump is dominating in Michigan. We got the
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the $95,000 man and everybody else out there. All right. Why don't you go and take your money
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that is going to be his strategy going forward, that we are going to put, uh, every single state
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is a 50 state strategy. He's laying out to put this into play, to force the Democrats to spread
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their money. Including New York city. Okay. Hang one second, Jack. I got to hold you. I got to get to
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I got Pesovic I'm coming back to. Frank Gaffney's going to join us at 11, and here's why. I got a team.
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We're going to go through the NDAA, which is a total disaster, totally woken webinars, but we're also going to start
00:45:56.080
naming names on these field grade officers that Tommy Tuberville's fight of why they can't be
00:46:01.960
further promoted, and Gaffney's going to be on. But in doing that, we have a guest here just dropped
00:46:07.600
by, Congressman Matt Rosendale from Montana. Associated Press, sir, is breaking a news story.
00:46:14.740
We just had J.D. Vance sitting right there a few minutes ago about this outrageous that Zelensky's
00:46:19.180
coming in the middle of this debate, which is about border security. I can't even describe
00:46:25.000
to you what the story says. Zelensky is going to, this afternoon, address the United States
00:46:30.720
military. The Biden regime is allowing a foreign leader to come in here during an intense debate,
00:46:36.260
an intense debate really about domestic policy of our border for national security, and they're
00:46:42.220
allowing a foreign leader to come and address our military. This is outrageous. And field grade
00:46:47.800
officers and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should put your letters of resignation in
00:46:52.300
before you allow this to happen. This is direct involvement in politics. This regime is out of
00:46:56.440
control. Matt Rosendale. They are absolutely out of control. They started this a year and a half ago
00:47:02.040
when they allowed Zelensky to address a joint session that was in the auditorium, the congressional
00:47:09.060
auditorium, and they started playing movies for us about these beautiful streets, the streets of
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Ukraine and how they looked three days ago. And then they would show after they were bombed out
00:47:20.940
what they looked like. You talk about an organized, orchestrated campaign of propaganda. It is
00:47:28.540
disgraceful. And now they're going to address our military. The supplemental that Biden is trying
00:47:34.100
to push through, $106 billion, I think, $60 billion of women. At least. They're trying to launder
00:47:40.160
through Ukraine. By the way, to pay for their pension funds. People here don't have pension
00:47:44.500
funds. They don't have health care. You're paying for health care, pension funds, all of it. We've
00:47:48.420
already decided there's no money for Ukraine. Now they're trying to throw in some bells and whistles
00:47:51.800
on the border to try to bribe us, hold our border security. It's not for border security. It's not for
00:47:57.920
border security. I've been down to the border several times. And the Border Patrol will tell you,
00:48:03.060
don't send more money down here because you're going to do one of two things. Either build housing so that the
00:48:08.120
illegals can stay right here on the border and provide social programs for them. Or you're going
00:48:13.520
to hire more Border Patrol people, travel agents, so we can process people faster and get them into
00:48:19.240
the country faster. Either way, it is an incredibly bad idea. The folks in Montana, where do they stand
00:48:25.580
with this more money for Ukraine, no money for the border? They're not. They are not going to stand for
00:48:29.520
it. The folks in Montana are ready to start having some bus caravans to travel to the southern border
00:48:35.120
to help our friends and allies in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California to protect the border.
00:48:42.520
Big announcement from you about President Trump. Tell us about it.
00:48:45.640
We came out. We've been telling President Trump that we want to help him any way we possibly can
00:48:52.440
and to put my support behind him in the way that it would be most beneficial for him. And we announced
00:48:58.180
this morning, 100% supportive, endorsing President Donald J. Trump, because he's the only person
00:49:04.760
that's going to get us back on track to make America great again, to focus on the things that
00:49:11.040
are going to help our country. And he's also the only person who's going to go against the trifecta.
00:49:21.240
You're too much of a gentleman. But in the war room, last week, one of the most outrageous
00:49:28.420
tweets I've seen from the Republican Senatorial Fund, run by Danes, put out that for your fight
00:49:35.100
against McCarthy, that you were a Democratic operative. I called Danes out. And it's not
00:49:39.540
about you. It's about Danes. Danes, I will meet you anywhere in Montana. I'll meet you anywhere in
00:49:43.420
the country. You can come here in the war room. It will play fair, play nice. But I will rip your face
00:49:47.920
off about your record and what you said in your gutless coward for putting that out and not coming
00:49:52.700
out personally. And why don't you just come out and personally attack Rosendale and stop hiding
00:49:57.460
behind the NRSC. Just be a man. Montana is known as a state of men, right? I mean, strong women,
00:50:05.220
strong men, patriots, America first. Your word is your bond.
00:50:09.460
Your word is your bond. Salt of the earth to make, in a vast wilderness out there, to make that state
00:50:13.780
what it is, just incredible. The history of the people out there and to have someone like Steve
00:50:17.020
Danes is an embarrassment. What's your response, not to Danes, but to them calling you a Democratic
00:50:21.120
operative, for basically defending this country in our budget?
00:50:24.940
This sounds like Zelensky's propaganda. To go out there and put information out like,
00:50:29.140
the people of Montana have elected me several times over. They know me. They trust me. And because
00:50:35.020
some Democrat organization is taking shots at the National Committee's poster boy, how in the world
00:50:44.760
they can transmit that into or project that onto me, that's what it was all about.
00:50:49.480
You mean the administrative state guy, the government contractor. Government contractor's
00:50:53.400
got no chance. Because somebody's out there telling the truth about what his background is.
00:50:59.000
All of a sudden, I'm benefiting from it. And I'm a Democrat operative. It's laughable. Even the most
00:51:04.640
liberal publications and media outlets in the state say it's laughable.
00:51:08.720
We only got two minutes left, but I got to talk to you about this week. Why are people going home?
00:51:12.820
I know you want to go back to Montana, but why are we leaving with the budget? Now we're talking
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about a one-year CR sometime in January. You've sat down a brief, Speaker Johnson. We've got about a
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minute. What are you telling Speaker Johnson he needs to focus on?
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I have told him that we need to focus on delivering our 12 appropriation bills, putting them into the
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Senate. The remaining ones, we only have, I think, four of the appropriation bills remaining
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to put into the Senate and then say, have a nice Christmas, guys. We've done our job. I'm tired
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of people that say, Chuck Schumer says that he's only going to do this, and Chuck Schumer says he's
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only going to do that. The reason that he gets away with that is because we need bold, strong,
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principled leaders that walk in and say, Chuck, here's how it's going to be. See ya.
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You've endorsed President Trump today. Where do people go to your website, social media,
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all of it, to get more? I need support now more than ever because the National
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Republican Senate Committee is going berserk. They're going after my staff, they're going
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after my contributors, and they're going after my vendors, the people that are helping me run
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a campaign. Matt4Montana.com. Matt4Montana.com.
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The folks coming after Rosendale and this great staff he's got, these patrons that stood up in the
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breach on McCarthy from the beginning, from January, and would not bend.
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Danes and that entire crowd, you're nothing but Mitch McConnell's bitch, okay? Let me be
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brutally frank. And anywhere, anytime, bro, you want to do it, just contact us. Just anywhere,
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anytime, on any topic. Okay, we're going to take a short break in the room. Thank you very much,
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Congressman. God bless. Appreciate you. Honored to have you on here. Gavin Wax from the New York
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Young Republican Club. Of course, D. Jack Posobiec. Frank Gaffney talking about the NDA. We've got a lot to do
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