Episode 3613： Recapping The Hearing Of Weaponization Of Federal Government
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Summary
On today's show, we are joined by CNN's Chief White House Correspondent Kaitlyn Durante to discuss the latest in the Michael Cohen case. Michael Cohen is on trial in federal court in New York, charged with lying to Congress, lying to the FBI, and obstructing justice.
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Mr. Costello, in your opening statement, you said that in the over 50 years serving as a lawyer,
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you, quote, have never seen the types of politically motivated cases that have been
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brought in this presidential election season. These political cases are being used as a weapon
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of war to damage, defeat, or impede political adversaries and their allies. Instead of political
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warfare, it is lawfare, a cancer upon our collective judicial system. I want to begin
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with Alvin Bragg's weaponized sham trial in New York. Isn't it true that in Alvin Bragg's campaign
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for Manhattan DA, Bragg specifically ran on going after President Donald Trump? That is true. Isn't
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it true that Bragg's predecessor, Cy Vance, declined to prosecute President Trump? That is true. And
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the FEC also did not prosecute President Trump? That is true. And the DOJ did not prosecute President
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Trump in this case? The DOJ referring to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District? Correct.
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Absolutely true. And one of the reasons the Southern District of New York turned down this case
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was because the supposed star witness, according to Alvin Bragg, Michael Cohen, was totally, quote,
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unworthy of belief. Isn't that true? Without a doubt. This is the same Michael Cohen who pled guilty
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to seven counts in an indictment that had absolutely nothing to do with President Trump and actually
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predated the first time he met President Trump. Correct? Absolutely true. And in fact, this is the same
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Michael Cohen who perjured himself to Congress. Isn't that true? Yes. In fact, when called as a
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witness in this sham trial, Cohen was asked directly if he was honest during his testimony
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to Congress. He said no, admitting perjury. But it's not just Bragg's case that is a total sham
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and illegal political lawfare going after Joe Biden's top political opponent, Donald Trump.
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This rot goes deep all the way up to the top in the Oval Office. Because when Congress referred
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this admission of Cohen's perjury to Joe Biden's DOJ, isn't it true that the DOJ has refused to
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prosecute? That is true. Michael Cohen so obviously and over the top is consumed by hatred for Donald
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Trump and wants him in prison and celebrating and is selling T-shirts is outrageous. We sort of take
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it for granted because this has just been Michael Cohen's public persona for the last five,
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six years. But this should be a bonanza for cross-examination. With three former federal
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prosecutors here, what would you do if you found out the eve of a big trial that your star witness
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was selling T-shirts showing the defendant in prison? You'd have to think hard about dismissing
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the case. That is a major flaw in the defense. Especially if he's Cheeto dusted. Yeah. That
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would be the worst. No, I mean, you're right. Look, Michael Cohen has a sort of way with words. It can get
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funny. But, you know, laughing about a defendant going to jail is, I think, it's offensive to the jury.
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That's not for Michael Cohen to say and fantasize about. That's the worst part of all the things
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that Cohen has said. It's one thing to say he's terrible. I don't like him. You know,
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use all sorts of swear words. But if you are talking about the results of this case, I mean,
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that's what this case is about, whether Donald Trump is eligible to go to prison or not.
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And you have Cohen campaigning for that. That's a very negative, negative.
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Blanche should have spent the first hour on that. Well, I mean, I don't think the jury's
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going to forget it. He spent he spent some time on there through further cross-examination. Cohen
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told me that he knew there was money missing from the Trump inauguration. I see where you are now.
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OK. And then on the next page into that first paragraph, Cohen decided that while he didn't
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believe the allegation of the Stormy Daniels story, that he thought the story would be embarrassing
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for Trump and especially for Melania. So he decided he would take care of it himself.
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Absolutely. And that is contrary to what this guy testified to in court in New York yesterday.
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Well, and what's not being talked about is your next paragraph, like the reason and his motivation
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for that. So if you could just kind of walk through that for the committee.
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Yeah. Obviously, when we started to talk about the NDAs, and this is the very first meeting at the
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Regency Hotel, when, by the way, Rudy Giuliani was not involved in representing Donald Trump at that
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time. Cohen testified that it was a conspiracy between Giuliani and Costello as of this date.
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Totally false. In any event, he also said that he didn't discuss the Stormy Daniels matter with us,
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and he certainly did. I specifically asked him because he kept on going back saying,
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I can't believe they're trying to put me in jail for these NDAs. So I said, Michael,
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tell me about the NDA. Tell me about Stormy Daniels. What did you do? He said, I got a call
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from a lawyer representing Stormy Daniels who represented that she was going to testify
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The
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people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do
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everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish
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that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Wednesday, 15 May in the year of our Lord, 2024, an explosive day on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.
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We're going to get to it all, including breaking news about Peter Daszak, Natalie Winters will be
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with us, and of course, an assassination attempt in Slovakia. We'll get to that too. Want to start
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with this weaponization committee on Capitol Hill. You saw in the cold open right there,
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at least Stefanik, coming in hot on this. Bob Costello, the lawyer. I want to bring in Boris
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Epstein. Boris, finally, and you know, the War Room took a starring role in this today because
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the Democrat head of the committee, the co-head of the committee, at least today from the Virgin
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Islands, played part of the War Room, the video of the War Room, to say this is just the cult
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of Trump demanding revenge. Your thoughts about this weaponization committee? I know it's just
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a start. It's just a lawyer. Subpoenas are not flying yet, but just give me your overview on this.
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Steve, honor to be with you. Honor to be with the posse. My thought is that this was a strong step
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and necessary step in order to continue to make clear that weaponization of law enforcement,
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the degradation of our system of justice, the absolute annihilation of any sense of legality
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in this country at the hands of the radical Democrats will not stand. And today did again
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show that this witch hunt in New York is nothing but a complete and total political hoax. And that
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extends to all of the attacks against President Trump, the attacks which are absolutely boomeranging
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on the desperate Democrats. You're seeing that in everything from Joe Biden's pathetic 15-second
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video where he had to do, what, six cuts? And he couldn't even get through it. 15 seconds,
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five or six cuts. Absolute embarrassment for the illegitimate president of the United States
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and an excuse for the president of the United States. So today, another strong day for the
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president. Yesterday, a powerful day for President Trump with so much support for him, both in the
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courthouse and around the country, full spectrum dominance for President Trump, for MAGA, the
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war room posse, and the American people. Boris, you're going to have to help us out here. I know
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you were in the courtroom for the last couple of days. I know you're kind of the overall coordinator
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of all this. But I'm confused, and I know the audience is confused. We had Costello today,
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and it was quite brilliant walking through with Elise Stefanik and Gates and Jim Jordan about his
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interactions and what he said, what Cohen said. You then got all the stuff from back in the impeachment
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hearing, right, when he was there. He then went, he purged himself. He's been a felon. He's been in
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prison. Then you got all this coming out. You even had, was it Honig on CNN, just sitting there with
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Jeffrey Toobin, saying, hey, in any other case, this would be thrown out if you had any witness
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for the prosecution that was the night before every night selling t-shirts, selling merchandise.
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This Cohen thing is so confusing because it's so over the top. I mean, where do you think this is
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going? I don't want you to give a strategy, but there's so much there. I mean, you could keep this
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guy on cross for two weeks if you wanted to get it all out, sir. Well, let's go back out 10,000 feet,
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right? What is this case all about? This case is about a document, a records issue. That's all
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it's about. It's about business records. It's not about anything else. It's about business records.
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And it's about legal expenses being notated as dot, dot, dot legal expenses. And after President
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Trump has been confined and stuck in that disgusting courtroom, in that freezing ice box now for over a
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month, what does the prosecution come up with? Nothing. Nothing. And you've got CNN saying that.
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You've got MSNBC saying that. That is absolutely universally accepted now that there's no case.
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This whole thing is just a charade. And now there's no, there's some time left in it. President
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Trump's lawyers are doing a great job. They're continuing to be on the offense. And the president's
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delivering those powerhouse statements from the courthouse, which are dominating. And again,
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absolutely smacking these radical Democrats in the face. I mean, you look even at the New York
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council, president is up 13 in Nevada. President Trump is taking these attacks and throwing them
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in the face of crooked Joe Biden and the Democrats. And that's absolutely dominated. It is dominating
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Tomorrow, there's going to, I think there's going to be a markup in another committee about Merrick
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Garland. Can you walk us through your thoughts on this, that they're going to basically hold
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Merrick Garland accountable for, I guess, holding back the videotapes or the audiotapes
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about the bogus, the bogus classified documents, the audiotapes of Biden to the ghostwriter? Is
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that correct? There's going to be a markup tomorrow on that?
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Well, the dual system of justice in this country has never been more visible than now.
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There's an absolute, look at how the January 6th hostages are being treated versus how those who are
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looting and setting campuses on fire and those who set police headquarters and courthouses on fire
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in 2020. We need to have a real system of justice. And why Merrick Garland is choosing to hold those
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back? We all know why. Because Rob Hurd's report was so devastating, so devastating to Joe Biden,
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they can't take even an iota more because Rob Hurd stated loud and clear that effectively
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they didn't charge Biden because he couldn't make it through a trial because he's not mentally
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equipped. And so we're going to have a markup tomorrow. Last thing I want to get from you is
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that today the president did a challenge to debate Biden a couple of times. I think Biden's kind of
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stumbled through a response, but now they're backing off. I think his spokesman, I don't know if we have
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the CNN clip ready, but his spokesman said, hey, oh no, we never agreed to an audience, a live audience.
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They've sent a letter. What in the hell's going on? What's going on is that President Trump has been
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very specific that he will debate crooked Joe Biden anytime, anyplace, anywhere. He's ready to take
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him on and show the American people, again, the stark contrast between the strength, the power,
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and the love for America of President Donald J. Trump versus the absolute decrepit nature,
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the lack of knowledge, lack of intelligence, and lack of any sort of relationship to the American
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people of Joe Biden. And it appears that that's going to be happening. That's big news. And the more,
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the merrier of these debates, President Trump has accepted CNN, he's accepted ABC,
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and he's also accepted Fox News. For some reason, Joe Biden thinks he can also only get away with
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two debates. That's a major mistake because the American people will see right through that.
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They know that Joe Biden is hiding. And again, he couldn't even get to a 15-second video without
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taking five or six or 10 or whatever it was takes. How is he going to get through a debate? This is
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somebody who has no idea what day it is, wasn't so smart to begin with, and it's going to be
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annihilated by the powerhouse. That's President Donald J. Trump.
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Boris, I think we had a pretty good day, don't you?
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We had a big day. We had a big week. We had a big year. And more wins are on the horizon.
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Boris, how do people follow you on social media? Now more than ever,
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we need to be on top of what Boris Epstein is putting out. Where do they go?
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Steve, thank you so much. The website is hot, borisdp.com. Sign up right now, borisdp.com.
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Hot on getter at Borisdp. Twitter at Borisdp. Hot on socials at Boris and the hottest on the gram,
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Boris underscore Epstein. Stay strong. God bless.
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By the way, Boris, thank you so much. So a big day. So a markup tomorrow. By the way,
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I don't know if they're going to get through the markup or they can do it. I think there's
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some Republicans maybe going up to New York to show support for President Trump. We love seeing
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that every day. We're going to have, I think we're trying to have Jeff Clark on tomorrow morning
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with Andrew Giuliani. Mike Davis is going to join us to walk through this very second important day
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at the cross of Michael Cohen. I believe that that cross will take more than they said.
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They're going to try to wrap it up Thursday. I'm not so sure. I think they've got a lot
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to dive down on. Then also on Thursday, they're going to do a markup on a contempt of Merrick
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Garland for holding back the audio tape of this of this interview. I think between the
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ghostwriter and Joe Biden were in his own words. You're going to see exactly what he had to say.
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The Justice Department holding that back from everybody in Congress. OK, we're going to take
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a short break. Julie Kelly's going to join us on the other side. We also have Brad Devlin
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Okay, honored to have Julie Kelly on. Julie, I know you've been running around like a madman,
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but I've got two questions. Number one, I know you caught some of the weaponization today.
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Give us your assessment. I mean, it's rewarding and gratifying, especially, you know, kudos to you
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and your team for continuing relentlessly to hammer house Republicans for some accountability and
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moving the ball forward on all of this lawfare. So it was great to, you know, to see the expose,
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more exposure about what's happening in New York and Alvin Bragg's prosecution.
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Elise Monick and others calling out Dan Goldman for working with Lauren Merchant,
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the daughter of the judge, consultant for him, while at the same time then advising Michael Cohen
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and his testimony. So these are the things that really only congressional hearings can achieve in a
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way for some sort of news coverage and really revealing and disclosing to the American people
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what is happening behind the scenes as they're trying to catch up and keep up with everything
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No, I think Costello's opening statement and then his being questioned by Gates and by
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Stefanik and others was pretty shocking. It really adds to the complexity and more layering onto this
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Michael Cohen situation. I mean, it is, since they haven't identified a crime,
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I don't see how they can take Michael Cohen seriously as a witness. I mean, after this,
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it's just absolutely shocking. You put out, because we follow you and everybody does very closely,
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you put out something that upset us the other day. We actually had it in the cold open and that was
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Lisa Monica, Merrick Garland, and Chris Ray coming out with this election, you know, election of,
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what is it, security and all the election officials are being, are being bothered and they're
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basically saying by MAGA and this is going to be huge. We're going to be on top of this. It's the day
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after the weekend where all the bad polls came out that shows Biden is absolutely getting blown out
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everywhere. And then you sent yesterday, you said, you sent it out and said the three thugs and
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nothing below these people. What did you mean by that?
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Well, when you see Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, the deputy attorney general, longtime Obama loyalist,
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one of the chief architects of Russia slash Visagate and Chris Ray in the same room together,
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you know, something sinister is afoot. And that certainly is what came out of that press briefing.
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That was basically a warning to the American people that Steve, they are going to use federal
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law enforcement authority to go after whatever the FBI and law enforcement and DOJ deems is a quote
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unquote threat to election workers or election officials. Now we know what this means. And Steve,
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this is what I also posted. I have seen memes, memes, posts, social media posts, critical of Democrats,
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critical of, you know, election voting fraud, making fun of the 2020 election, talking about how
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illegitimate it was. I have seen those sort of memes and texts and posts, posts used as incriminating
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evidence against January 6th defendants in sentencing memos. So this is another acceleration
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of the quote unquote, you know, going after domestic terrorists, meaning MAGA supporters.
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Whatever they interpret as a threat, whether it's a text to someone, whether you're posting on social
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media, whether you make a video that's critical of your local election clerk or your secretary of
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state who's in charge of elections, DOJ can then clear that that is some sort of a threat, investigate
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you, possibly charge you and prosecute you. It's just to silence criticism of the 2024 election,
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just to try to do after 2020. Yeah, this is because it dovetails perfectly
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over the weekend, mainstream media just hammering every Republican. Will you accept right now the
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results of the 2024 election? People say, hey, let's have it first, make sure it's free, fair,
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certifiable, chain of custody, only American citizens voting, all of those things that didn't happen
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in 2020. And then right after that, two days later, they come out, are they trying to intimidate MAGA
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by saying, if you guys try to, you know, watch these bogus ballot drop boxes, if you guys are
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on top of the mail-in ballots, if you guys are sitting there questioning people as election officials
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and election workers, that they're going to come after you criminally? Was that the shot across the
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bow by these three thugs? Absolutely what it was. And they're not even trying to conceal it, Steve.
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They're very brazen and flagrant about it because they understand that despite, Steve, all their
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best efforts, think of the millions, tens of millions of dollars of resources and manpower
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that went into January 6th trying to criminalize, you know, a four-hour protest against the rigged
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election. Now, you still have as many Republicans, if not more, believe to this day that the 2020
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election was not legitimate. They really thought that everything, all the lawfare, all the armed
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raids, all of the incarcerating, imprisoning of Trump supporters late at January 6th would somehow
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change our mind about the 2020 election. It's not. And now we actually have some court wins and some
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wins in state legislatures and state governors who are securing elections. They did not foresee this,
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so now they have to pivot to the next element of alleged MAGA terrorism, which is, to your point,
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if you show up at a polling place, you show up where they're counting ballots and you want to observe
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what's going on, DOJ and FBI can fly in there, swoop in with local law enforcement, clear that you are
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somehow threatening or intimidating these election workers and charge you with whatever made-up crime
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that they want. That used to be under the purview of local county state authorities. The feds have no
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business in this whatsoever. This is the continuation of federalizing, you know, these crimes that Lisa
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Monaco and Chris Ray and Merrick Garland, Matthew Graves, whoever it is, make up in their heads,
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grab any statute that they can, turn it into a federal offense, and then Americans are charged
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accordingly. That's exactly what that is. And this is also a signal that all 56 FBI field
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offices and all 96 U.S. attorneys' offices are on notice. This is your priority until the end of this
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year. They can't beat Trump. They want to use lawfare or try to steal it by using the Justice
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Department. Julie, how do people get to you? How do they follow you on social media, ma'am?
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Julie underscore Kelly 2 at X Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly at Truth Social. I'm at Declassified
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with Julie Kelly on Substack and Real Clear Investigation. Fantastic. Thanks for stepping out
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today of your meeting and doing this for us. Appreciate Julie Kelly. Thanks, Steve. Thanks so much.
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When Julie Kelly says there's three thugs, she's not kidding. Keep a close eye on this. There are no
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coincidence. There's a shot across the bow. Also, Philip Patrick. Okay, tomorrow we're going to have
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Jason Trenner. The next day, Scott Besant on Saturday. Philip Patrick talking about capital
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00:24:34.880
Conservative. Brad, first off, your thoughts on the Weaponization Committee hearing today, sir?
00:24:40.040
Well, it's all your fault, Steve. I can't believe you do this to America. And, you know,
00:24:46.140
Stacey Plaskett better be careful for going after Miss Winters. You know, she's one tough cookie. I
00:24:51.820
wouldn't choose that matchup if I was her. She's going to lose that one. Just ask Jim Jordan.
00:24:57.700
No, it's all your fault. I can't believe you do this. I can't believe that we, you know,
00:25:05.140
Matt Gaetz was on his game today. In all seriousness, I thought he did a phenomenal job
00:25:09.360
at outlining exactly what's going on with lawfare. You know, we get caught up in kind of the glitz and
00:25:14.760
glamour sometimes, Steve, of these trials, right? Where we got four different Trump trials and 95
00:25:19.940
different, you know, different charges and all this stuff. No, sometimes it happens in back rooms,
00:25:25.780
like that old, you know, kind of just gritty, cringey politics of back rooms filled with smoke.
00:25:33.420
And that's where this happens a lot of the times, right? Dangling different pardons or dangling
00:25:38.140
judgeships over certain lawyers who are supposed to represent, you know, the American people and are
00:25:43.300
supposed to represent people who are facing the full crackdown of the American government. I think
00:25:48.920
Gaetz did a wonderful job today. And, you know, congratulations on being entered into the
00:25:53.320
congressional record once again. Not too shabby. Tragedy today. We're going to discuss this more
00:26:00.140
at six o'clock. Ben Harnwell is going to actually join us. He's near the Vatican. He's going to call
00:26:04.060
in. We're going to talk to him. But Slovakia talked as an attempted assassination attempt on an
00:26:09.840
anti-really Ukraine war prime minister, president. Yeah, you prepared it quite well. This is
00:26:17.440
Fico out in Slovakia. And he's kind of this like Orban type figure, right? We all know Viktor Orban
00:26:25.220
at this point, a mainstay in Hungarian politics. Fico's that way for Slovakia. He's been prime
00:26:30.580
minister for three different times. Assassination attempt today. We still don't know all the details.
00:26:35.640
We do know he's in critical condition that the gunman was probably politically motivated and fired
00:26:42.000
five shots at the prime minister. From my perspective, Steve, you know, he's had a very
00:26:48.660
interesting past. He was once a member of the Communist Party, but that was only the only party
00:26:52.800
at the time, right? If the Communist Party takes over and we're all doomed to be communists, then you
00:26:57.680
bet I'm going to become a communist. I'm going to I'm going to communist the communists. That was
00:27:01.820
kind of Fito's point of view. He also had some run ins. I mean, this is an Eastern European
00:27:05.720
country, right? It's going to have his run ins with corruption and the like. But this happens now,
00:27:10.860
right? This didn't happen in twenty eighteen when a lot of hay was being made over Fito's
00:27:15.340
alleged corruption. This didn't happen back in the in the late nineties. This is happening today
00:27:19.600
when Slovakia is one of the most outspoken members of the region, a border state of Ukraine saying that
00:27:25.500
this war needs to come to an end and that the West is continuing to escalate. It's not only the
00:27:31.600
United States, it's central Western powers to write like France that are that are continuing to
00:27:36.800
escalate. And that's not good for anyone in the region, much less the Ukrainian people whose
00:27:41.280
entire youth, entire generations of Ukrainians have now perished in this war.
00:27:47.580
Brad, if you can hang on for one second, I want to something else happen in Ukraine. I want your
00:27:51.820
take on that. We're going to hold Brad Devlin through the break. SLNT, get a Faraday bag for
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Fighting, not just for Ukraine, but for the free world. And the free world is with you too. So
00:30:56.780
Secretary of State Brad Devlin, in Kharkiv, it looks like the spring offensive of the Russians.
00:31:02.060
It has nothing to do with when money around us all lies. It's about the 500,000 troops they
00:31:06.620
could not raise from their own young people because the parents got them out of the country,
00:31:10.560
paid for them to get out of the country. And you've got a Secretary of State, supposedly
00:31:17.660
what are your thoughts? Yeah, well, Tony Blinken can play the guitar all he wants in the middle
00:31:23.680
of Kiev. I mean, he's never going to become president. Sorry, Tony, you're not Bill Clinton.
00:31:28.200
Listen, I was in Hungary in 2022, just after the war started. I went to the border of Hungary and
00:31:36.020
Ukraine. There I talked to people working the border saying people are coming through with
00:31:40.480
Rolls Royces, Maybox, luxury, luxury vehicles, top of the line. And they had suitcases and trunks
00:31:47.820
filled with cash and paraphernalia. And who was in the driver's seat? A young man trying to get out
00:31:52.700
of the country. Those men aren't there anymore. Ukraine doesn't have any men, especially after
00:31:56.520
they threw people against the Russian line time and time and time again. And guess what? Not only
00:32:01.120
did the private capital fly out of the country, it's the public capital, too. Where did all that
00:32:05.580
public capital go? Oh, well, we don't know. Sorry, we were supposed to defend Kharkiv with it. Sorry,
00:32:10.860
America. Sorry, U.S. benefactors, because, you know, obviously the Ukrainian government has no
00:32:15.420
money of its own right now. So so sorry, we don't know where all that went. Oh, wait, sorry. It's in
00:32:20.820
my garage. It's a new Porsche 911. You know, this is just another example of the U.S. military industrial
00:32:28.060
complex getting its way and lawmakers in Washington being too stupid to realize what's going on here
00:32:34.480
because they're trying to retrofit everything into this broken Cold War paradigm that's been dead
00:32:39.340
since the 90s. And they can't possibly wrap their brain around the fact that Ukraine is potentially
00:32:45.400
just as corrupt as Russia. Worse, worse, far worse. Brad, where do where do people get you on social
00:32:52.000
media over the American conservative? You guys are on fire. We want everybody to go to the site.
00:32:57.820
Yeah, thanks. Check out the American conservative dot com. We have a podcast called
00:33:01.600
TAC right now as well, where I play host there. And also make sure to check out my social media
00:33:06.500
at Bradley Devlin on Twitter, or I guess we're calling it X now. Thanks, Steve.
00:33:12.120
Brad, thank you very much. Do we have a cold open for Natalie or just bring her in cold open?
00:33:15.960
I'll just bring her in. OK, Natalie, you had a big scalp today, ma'am. First off, you got two.
00:33:21.380
You got a major call. You got a major shout out in a congressional hearing. They're blaming it
00:33:26.100
all on you, not on me, on you. And then you got a scalp with Peter Dosick. Give me both. What did
00:33:31.880
it feel like having your what they said, the pushing of the executive producer of the war room
00:33:37.260
caused them to have the weaponization? Then I want to ask about the scalp you got on Peter Dosick.
00:33:42.080
Well, it was news to me that I'm the executive producer of the war room. I think that's Cameron's
00:33:46.980
job. So I think the Democrats should do a little better research. But frankly, Steve, I think today what
00:33:52.700
we saw with, of course, the wonderful clip of war room being played. And I guess my tweet that was
00:33:57.140
meant to troll that committee being read aloud to them by the Democrat ranking member. That's a
00:34:01.320
pretty good comedy. I couldn't even write that myself. But I think it shows that all of this talk
00:34:06.280
about how we need to embrace unity and how we can't embrace the chaos, that that narrative is totally
00:34:11.600
dead, right? In a world which war room didn't exist, in a world that you didn't exist, in a world that
00:34:16.060
the war room posse didn't exist, that hearing would not have happened today, right? So when all these
00:34:20.620
people, the Speaker Mike Johnson's of the world, we need to continue to call their bluff. Now,
00:34:24.720
what will come of this hearing? Who necessarily knows? But I think it shows you the powerful raw
00:34:30.200
political force that this movement is. And honestly, it got me thinking when we hear these
00:34:34.340
people say, you know, unity, unity, bipartisanship, that's what we need. It's like when they say Islam
00:34:39.840
means peace. It doesn't mean peace. It means submission. And that's what these people mean,
00:34:44.260
too, when they say they want unity. They want complete and utter submission. And I think Republicans
00:34:49.240
have gotten way too used to losing because we have way too many people among the kind of
00:34:53.060
controlled opposition style in our ranks. And frankly, Steve, when I was listening to today's
00:34:57.580
hearing, I got throwbacks. I had deja vu to the 2020 election cycle, where it seemed like
00:35:02.440
every other witness, every other day, there was evidence, there was reports coming out
00:35:06.920
showing that there was smoking gun evidence, that there was fraud, that there was corruption,
00:35:11.040
but nothing ever happened because lawmakers didn't ever actually do anything. So I think we need to
00:35:16.720
turn the tide. We need to continue pushing and forcing these members to actually do some things.
00:35:21.260
So I'll say it again. Like I said in my tweet, wouldn't it be great if a House Judiciary GOP
00:35:29.920
Amazing. Talked about DASHA. It had not been for your investigative reporting over years.
00:35:34.880
This would not happen today. Tell us what happened.
00:35:37.440
Yeah, today was a big day. EcoHealth Alliance can no longer receive taxpayer funds after a ruling from
00:35:43.360
the Department of Health and Human Services. They cited pretty extensively from the COVID
00:35:47.660
select committee. But I would caution against this, too. You know, don't miss the forest for
00:35:53.960
the trees, twofold. One being that EcoHealth Alliance is just one entity that has received,
00:35:59.400
you know, tens of millions, if not probably 100 million in your taxpayer dollars to, you know,
00:36:04.000
fight pandemics while conveniently benefiting when they fail at their job. But there's institutional rot
00:36:09.900
at the National Institutes of Health, right? EcoHealth Alliance is not the only grant recipient
00:36:15.080
that was collaborating quite openly with the Chinese Communist Party and their military proxies.
00:36:19.920
And more broadly, when you take a step back, it's great that the COVID select committee
00:36:23.240
is focusing on the origins of COVID, going after Peter Dasha, going after EcoHealth Alliance.
00:36:28.260
But the COVID story doesn't just start and frankly doesn't end with Peter Dasha. They need to dive
00:36:34.160
into the vaccines. They need to dive into how U.S. intelligence agencies played such a critical role.
00:36:39.900
In the cover-up of it, again, we will give them credit when credit is due. But this should be an
00:36:44.960
opening salvo, not the last stand. Opening salvo. Natalie, where do they go now that we know that
00:36:51.560
you're not executive producer, right? Where do people go to follow you? You are on fire, young woman.
00:36:58.160
It's pretty cool. Natalie G. Winter is on all social media platforms. Thank you, Steve.
00:37:06.920
It's a great thing about the RAV Palm Beach Studios. You never know who's going to drop in.
00:37:12.640
Eduardo Vesce, one of my oldest, dearest colleagues. Now, I got a question. You're on Palm Beach.
00:37:18.880
I thought after the massive success of Sound of Freedom, right? And you were the producer of it.
00:37:25.340
You know, you're always one of the big stars. You're one of the biggest stars in Mexico.
00:37:28.620
We were going to launch, and right now, you being the driving force, driving home to be
00:37:33.060
president of Mexico. You had so much support. Tell me what happened.
00:37:38.180
Well, Steve, because of the success of Sound of Freedom, of course, I was inspired,
00:37:43.040
knowing that this is a global problem, child trafficking, knowing that in Mexico,
00:37:47.120
more than 21,000 disappear every year. I was inspired to register and to run for president of
00:37:53.320
Mexico as an independent. But what I needed to do, because I don't have a party,
00:37:57.460
I don't have an infrastructure, you know, I have the name recognition, and I have the,
00:38:02.120
you know, the love for Mexico is willing to give my life. I'm willing to give my life. I'm willing
00:38:05.660
to sacrifice for my country because I love my people. So I needed to raise one million signatures
00:38:11.380
through an app that is controlled by them. So good luck with that one, right? I needed one million
00:38:20.100
But you're also, from Sound of Freedom, you were running against the cartels. You're running,
00:38:25.120
as you said, we have a demand problem here in the United States. There's demand of this
00:38:29.340
heinous crime, right? But you have a supply, you're the first guy to say, they go, hey,
00:38:36.260
Number one provider. And we must stop that. This is going to destroy Mexico. But in doing that,
00:38:40.700
the people making the money, besides people in the government, the people that make it work
00:38:46.360
are the cartels. You were running against the cartels. That's what shut it down.
00:38:50.380
They blocked me from every angle, from every angle, including Instagram. You know, if you
00:38:55.320
wanted to follow me on Instagram, those 120 days where I needed to raise the one million
00:38:59.700
signatures, it says, are you sure you want to follow Eduardo Verastegui on this, who puts
00:39:05.240
false information? Come on. You know how much that courting lasted? 120 days. Exactly the
00:39:11.040
time that I needed to, that they gave me to raise the one million signatures. So they blocked
00:39:14.980
me from every angle. Who? The same people. We have a narco-estado, narco-estado, narco-state.
00:39:21.140
You know, they control everything. We have seven political parties in Mexico. They're all
00:39:24.840
the same. We have, these guys, they have kidnapped our country, raped our country for decades.
00:39:30.440
And as I always say, Mexico is a very rich country where a lot of poor people are living.
00:39:35.240
And it's not fair. There's a lot of corruption.
00:39:38.520
Well, it means that we have a very rich country where there is a lot of corruption. We don't
00:39:45.100
You have natural resources, beautiful land, great agriculture.
00:39:48.620
Everything. And the people. The people are being raped for decades, for decades, for decades.
00:39:53.340
Good Catholic people working hard. You know, they work hard. They love their country. They
00:39:58.720
love God. You know, we're, you know, we're all Catholics. We pray the Rosh every day. But then
00:40:03.320
we have this government. Mexico is a Catholic country, Christian country, governed by anti-Christian,
00:40:15.080
Hundred years. Because the secularists took over and said, we've got to get the church out.
00:40:21.460
They hate the church. They hate God. They hate the church. They hate everything. And they
00:40:24.460
still, you know, they're professional thieves. They say that the, you know, that we have democracy
00:40:30.400
like Ine, for example. Ine is this, like the referee of the elections, right? They play with
00:40:36.980
them. I'm suing them right now. I'm suing them right now because, you know, they play this false
00:40:42.380
democracy. And I wanted to raise, because I knew that my advisors, they told me, Eduardo, but
00:40:48.280
you don't have a political party. You're against these criminals. Why are you doing this? I mean,
00:40:53.340
you stop your entire Sound of Freedom tour worldwide to do this. Why? Because I want to prove to my
00:40:59.640
people that there is no democracy and there's a lot of corruption. And we proved that. We
00:41:03.980
won. Now, what's the next step? Because we have elections on June 2nd.
00:41:08.700
You're going to have a socialist here in three weeks. We're going to have a socialist.
00:41:11.760
Two women. Imagine. It's like having Hillary Clinton in one side against Kamala Harris in
00:41:17.080
the other side. Can you imagine what a joke? A conservative country.
00:41:20.640
A conservative country. Michelle Obama versus... Michael Obama. Oh, I'm sorry. Michelle Obama
00:41:25.300
in one hand. Don't go there. Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton in the other hand. And
00:41:30.520
guess what's going to happen? You know what? They will never... They're bringing electronic
00:41:35.280
machines to Mexico for the first time. They're going to steal elections.
00:41:37.480
You think that's a coincidence? I mean, these guys are professional. This is the biggest voting
00:41:43.340
elections in history, right? Worldwide. More than 50 countries are going to election. Yes,
00:41:46.860
all at the same time, yes. And guess what? It's going to be the biggest
00:41:49.040
stealing election ever in history as well if we don't wake up and we don't do something
00:41:53.880
about it. What's going to be the interaction with the United States, particularly when President
00:41:57.780
Trump comes back, that we have a socialist, a female socialist president in Mexico? You know,
00:42:03.600
I think our next step, Steve, is we need to build a political party in Mexico, a real conservative
00:42:08.740
political right-wing political party in Mexico. And I'm doing that. This is going to be
00:42:13.080
next year in January. We're going to build... There is a momentum. There is a movement
00:42:17.240
growing and growing and growing because now there are people in Mexico are waking.
00:42:20.620
Are people seeing it? Every day. But now we don't have options. We don't
00:42:24.800
have alternatives. We have between a globalist and a lefty. It's like, again, Michael Obama,
00:42:30.480
Michelle Obama, I'm sorry, and Hillary Clinton in the other hand. Imagine, we don't have
00:42:35.760
an alternative and they stole my signatures. But the cartels control it all. They're going
00:42:41.000
to elect the next president of Mexico. Imagine that. So what do we need to do? I always say
00:42:47.820
this, Steve, we are not just neighbors. We're brothers and sisters. And when freedom fighters
00:42:54.240
from Mexico, they meet with the freedom fighters of America and they work together, what's the
00:42:59.660
result? Sound of freedom. Now, what happened with the bad people of Mexico meets with the
00:43:03.520
bad people of the United States? They shake hands. What's the result? Tentanyl, drugs, child
00:43:08.440
trafficking, human trafficking. So what do we need to do? We need to work together to eradicate as
00:43:13.140
much as we can all the bad stuff that we do to each other so we can focus on the good stuff that
00:43:17.420
we do to each other and capitalize that. And then let's make Mexico and America great together again.
00:43:23.440
We're going to hold you through the break. How do you go up against the cartels? Because
00:43:27.640
you see every day in the Daily Mail, they have another story about cartels going to kill local
00:43:32.220
politicians, intimidate people. How is it that people can actually stand up against it?
00:43:36.300
They've been doing that for decades. I think the only way is working through a bilateral
00:43:42.580
effort, working together. But see, what's the response of Mexico when Donald Trump offered
00:43:48.180
to help? No, no, no, no, no. You need to respect the sovereignty of our country, right? Which
00:43:52.680
sovereignty? They're the first ones who raped the sovereignty of our countries because they're
00:43:56.760
involved with the cartels. So we need to work together, but we need to first elect good people
00:44:01.380
in government in Mexico. And right now we have, I mean, I don't want to say that everyone is corrupt
00:44:05.820
there because there are good people working in government, but the ones who control, the ones
00:44:10.740
who, you know, move the needles, they're corrupt. Hang on for one second. Eduardo is going to be on the
00:44:16.040
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Okay, two things I want to talk about. Jack Posobiec and I today did a special couple of segments about
00:45:55.400
Vox's conference. They're somebody that inspires me. When I see what they've done in Spain, I know
00:46:01.200
you're very involved with them. You're going to go over and see them. They're like my best friends.
00:46:04.460
Santiago Pascal, he is the president of Vox. I'm going to be in Spain with him next week. We're going to
00:46:10.140
show sound of freedom there. You're going to show sound of freedom. We're going to sign an agreement
00:46:13.680
with Santiago where we commit to end all types of child trafficking in Spain. Same agreement that
00:46:20.400
we just signed with Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney in Italy like a few weeks ago after seeing the movie.
00:46:24.560
Tell me about Maloney. Giorgio saw the movie. She saw the movie. She saw the movie and she was
00:46:29.260
inspired and she told me what else we can do. She said, well, I was not prepared, but I have this
00:46:33.200
document here. I have this agreement in Italian and her staff, you know, revised the entire thing and
00:46:38.360
a few days later, she signed the agreement because she said, you know, Italian children
00:46:43.000
and God's children are not for sale. We need to put children's first. And because of what she did,
00:46:47.960
she's leading by example. Now, of course, Spain, Croatia, we're going to go to the European
00:46:52.980
parliament. Italy and Spain have a problem because of the North Africa and come from the Middle East.
00:46:57.580
You know, sometimes these immigrant children are coming, but with fake, fake passports and
00:47:02.980
they're putting, you know, that they're like 20 years old and they're 10 years old. So it's
00:47:08.120
very difficult for them to, to filter, you know, who is who, but this is a global problem,
00:47:12.380
brother. This is happening everywhere, everywhere, not just here in Mexico.
00:47:16.480
Why is it everywhere? Why is it right? Why is it people like Vox? Why is it Georgia Maloney?
00:47:20.740
Why is it people like Trump? Why is it people on the center right don't understand what this
00:47:24.560
problem is and the left continues to look the other way? It's very simple, hermano. Very simple
00:47:29.360
because these guys, they are trying very hard to legalize pedophilia, minor attraction.
00:47:36.640
That's what the agenda is. Tell our audience about that. Tell me about the process. What
00:47:41.900
is gender ideology? It's equal sexual children abuse. That's what it is, bottom line. So
00:47:47.980
of course, Georgia Maloney, Santiago Pascal, President Trump, Bukele, Milley, many more.
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Nigel Farage. Exactly. We are protecting children because God's children are not for sale. They're
00:47:59.720
the present. They're the future. They're the future decision makers. What kind of decisions they're
00:48:05.900
we're adults? We don't take care of them now. Now, you know, we follow this principle
00:48:09.920
that says your children are my children and I will give my life for their protection. That's
00:48:14.160
why we're freedom fighters. You know, I know you want to be president of Mexico now, but
00:48:18.740
I think that's in your future. Isn't the movie didn't, isn't it causing a movement that you're
00:48:23.940
reaching, reaching Georgie Maloney in Italy, that you're reaching the Vox team in Spain, that
00:48:28.620
you're reaching Nigel and Trump, that people now see this as a global movement. It's a global
00:48:33.180
movement. It's worldwide. It's growing and growing. It's just the beginning. You know,
00:48:36.880
that's why as I say this in the last, last time you interviewed me, you know, they can
00:48:40.620
take me, they can take, you know, Alejandro Monteverde, all the producers. It doesn't
00:48:44.360
matter. They cannot take millions of people that are now ambassadors of freedom. And that's
00:48:49.020
why I want to tell, you know, every Latino that is watching right now, it's very important.
00:48:53.420
This is the most important elections in history in November. These elections are more important
00:48:58.180
than the United States. Yes, I'm talking about the United States. You think for Hispanics,
00:49:01.880
this is more important what happens here than even in Mexico. This is the most, in United
00:49:05.580
States, this is the most important elections in history for United States, for Mexico and
00:49:11.760
for the world. This is very important. So everything is at stake right now. So every Latino that is
00:49:17.540
watching me, I am Eduardo Verastegui and I want to invite you to vote for Donald Trump in November.
00:49:22.900
Remember, Donald Trump 2024, baby, that's it. That's it. If you want to remain freedom,
00:49:30.280
you know, if you want to remain free here and in the whole world, you've dedicated your life
00:49:35.380
to eradicating this problem of a child sex trafficking. Do you actually believe in your
00:49:41.660
heart of hearts it can be done? Yes. Why? If Donald Trump wins, it seems like such a huge
00:49:45.860
mountain to climb. Yes, but there's nothing impossible for God. You know, if we give ourselves
00:49:49.940
to God and we pray. How do we break the demand side in the equation? What's so humiliating
00:49:53.880
and embarrassing that the United States of America is such a magnet for this because of
00:49:57.780
the demand? How do we do that? Many fronts, many fronts. It's not just one front. Of course,
00:50:01.180
pray is the most important thing. Catholics pray the roger every day for the end of child
00:50:05.000
trafficking, right? So when Donald Trump saw the movie, the first thing he told me, you know,
00:50:10.780
we need to work together. We will end this. We will end this. It's in his heart. I saw in his eyes.
00:50:16.320
He told me, we will end this together. Trump at Bedminster. He was so moved by the movie. He was
00:50:19.940
so moved. And he was, you know, I'm so grateful to him because he didn't have to do that. And he
00:50:23.500
became an ambassador of the movie. He endorsed the movie. Stayed for the whole time. Stayed for the
00:50:27.440
whole time. Had a huge audience in Bedminster. Then did a podcast with you after. Then had a private
00:50:32.100
meeting. Then he did a video like saying, you know, talking about the movie and everything. And he keeps
00:50:37.340
talking about the movie. So because he saw not a movie, he saw a movement that is growing and
00:50:42.920
growing and growing. And that movement is growing in Mexico because parents, they care
00:50:46.580
about children. And they didn't know this problem was happening every day. You know,
00:50:50.060
21,000 children disappear in Mexico every year. This is the official numbers. I think it's
00:50:55.960
much higher, much higher, much higher. So parents, they need to open their eyes, you know,
00:51:00.940
be careful what they're watching in the, in the, you know, in social media. You know, you
00:51:05.000
can be in a bulletproof house. No, they got to you. Sonny's okay. And he's
00:51:08.480
demons right there. He's talking to another kid, but the other kid is kidnapped by adults.
00:51:12.540
And then they start exchanging pictures and it's very dangerous, you know, schools. I
00:51:16.980
mean, the literary, the, the, the books that the kids are reading in schools right now,
00:51:21.020
it's pornography. Why? Because again, Democrats are trying to legalize pedophilia. Be careful
00:51:25.300
with these perverts. Democrats, they don't care about your children. They want to rape your
00:51:30.460
Social media. Where do people go to find you? How do they follow you?
00:51:33.220
Eduardo Verastegui on Instagram, Facebook, and on Twitter.
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I'm going to have you back on talking about, you got a lot of movies you're working on
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