Episode 3616： Bloodbath In The Courtroom
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Join me as I discuss the latest in the Michael Cohen case, and the corrupt judge who presided over it, as well as the fact that the judge s daughter is one of the leading Democratic Party Fundraisers, and is the daughter of a top Democratic donor.
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No branch of government that Michael Cohen is not lied to. He lied to investigators. He lied to the
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judge who sentenced him. He lied to the United States Congress, and he committed these lies
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for his own benefit. And while we're talking about what we saw in that courtroom going on
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for people's own benefit, we would be remiss if we did not mention this corrupt judge,
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this judge whose own family is making six figures off of Democrat politics that continues to gaslight
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the country, that there's some sort of crime committed by President Trump.
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We're seeing today what lengths the Democrat Party will go to to try to rig or steal another election.
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They tried to do it in 2020. They're doing it again here in 24 by trying to keep the nominee
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off the ballot, by trying to keep the nominee campaigning, by trying to ruin the nominee
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financially. And we're seeing that today. We saw the perjurer-in-chief, Michael Cohen,
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multiple times admit and acknowledge that he has lied under oath. He's perjured himself.
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And yet we're supposed to believe his testimony as the star witness against President Trump.
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This is lawfare, again, to try to steal or to rig an election. You got a corrupt prosecutor. You got
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a corrupt star witness. You got a corrupt judge whose daughter is one of the leading fundraisers
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for the Democrat Party, having raised some hundred million dollars. That's the judge's daughter.
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This is a crooked, sham trial to try to hurt the nominee. It's going to be the president of the
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United States, whether or not they like it or whether or not they want that to happen.
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Mr. Cohen, Mr. Cohen admitted repeatedly that he lied. He repeated, he admitted repeatedly that he did
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so for his own personal interest. That tells you everything you know about the lack of credibility
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But if they had nothing to hide, and if they're truly being honest about this, why is it that
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you guys can't be in the courtroom and see exactly what we're seeing? Just because we're
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members of Congress does not mean we have authority more than you guys to know exactly what's
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happening happening in that courtroom, just so that you are tracking. And I want to follow
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it up by saying this. It is by no coincidence that you have Goldman, a member of House Oversight
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who's a Democrat, prepared Colin for his testimony, is also retained by the judge's daughter as
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a client. Does that seem like it's not shamed to you? It is corrupt lawfare. It's the Biden
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prosecution, and Biden, you're going to lose this election time.
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This isn't justice. This is politics. It's political warfare. And we see it happening
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in third world countries all over the world. I never thought I'd see it happening in the
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The fact that this trial, look at the timing of it. Before the presidential primary, before
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the conventions, having Donald Trump sit here, their whole purpose is to keep him off the campaign
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trail so that he can't do what he does best. You know what their intent is? This is their
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intent to put him behind bars. And the American people are going to say no. They're not going
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to put an innocent man behind bars. I don't care. What kind of political fear do they want
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to keep going? This is a kangaroo court, pure and simple.
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The radical left wants President Trump to simply go away. And if President Trump just went away,
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this would all go away as well. They do not want him to be in this race. They know that
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he is the number one candidate for president of the United States for the 2024 election.
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And they are doing everything that they can to interfere in yet another election. Well,
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I got news for the radical left and the weaponized DOJ. President Trump is not going anywhere. He's
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coming back for another four years. And we are not going anywhere either. We are here to stand
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with him as he stands up for you, the American people.
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This is not a prosecution. This is a persecution. We have a two-tier justice system in this country.
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And if a former president can be targeted by a woke and corrupt judge, then you can be targeted as well.
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The Biden administration's Department of Justice interfere in a case that should never have been
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brought in the first place. We have a judge who has a conflict of interest. We have a witness in
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Michael Cohen who admittedly from the stand admitted to lying under oath, under oath.
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Look, if you ever wondered if there were two tiers of justice and if the American government was
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weaponized against its own citizens, you don't have to wonder anymore. You don't have to wonder.
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The American people are not stupid. There are patriots in this nation who want to know the
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truth. And we are here to support President Trump to do just that.
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Well, we all know that the Biden team knows that they're not going to be able to win this election
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by doing the Biden basement tour again. And so we saw just a couple of days ago, Trump in New Jersey,
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a hundred thousand people showing up. This is the contrast that they do not want you to see.
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And why we have a court with a corrupt judge and a convicted felon is the star witness
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placing a gag order on President Trump so that he can't be out here touching and winning the hearts
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of the minds of the American people, which he definitely has behind him.
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I was only in that courtroom for about two hours and I heard Michael Cohen admit at least six times
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that he lied. I mean, that's what this is about. That tells you everything you need to know. And
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this is the star witness, him and Stormy Daniels. The American people know what's going on. You guys
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know what's going on. You guys know why President Trump is here. Why is he here? Right there.
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Political persecution. They can't beat him. They can't beat him. And everybody knows it.
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The polls are showing it right now. They couldn't beat him. They tried to take him out
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with the Russian scandals. They tried to impeach him multiple times. And the American people also
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know that he could have retired down to Florida and live the American dream. But he came back. Why?
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Because he sees what's happening in this country. And this is just one more example of it.
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Have you ever seen it before where a gag order, instead of trying to protect,
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to make sure that the accused gets a fair trial, this gag order is to ensure that he cannot defend
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himself fairly. So we're here to have his back. We're here to defend him and to tell the truth
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about this travesty of justice, this political persecution, this election interference,
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this rigging of elections, this collusion between the Department of Injustice and these crooked
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courts in New York City, whether it's Michael Colangelo, who went from the DOJ to New York City,
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whether it's Fannie Willis, his boyfriend, who billed the taxpayers of Georgia for time up here
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in New York City, colluding with the Department of Justice. We are President Trump's boys. We have
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his back. He will ultimately be proven innocent. Todd Blanch is continuing to press Michael Cohen on
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his lies and what he's now saying about those lies. Blanch is saying, quote, by not telling Congress
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or the Senate that you had lied under oath. Do you believe that you are omitting important
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information? Paula Reid and Kristen Holmes back here with me. And Paula, this is really important
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because Todd Blanch seems to be gaining steam here in his cross-examination. The judge just
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overruled an objection from the prosecution to that question there. And this is exactly the line
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of questioning that tripped Michael Cohen up when he testified in Trump's civil fraud trial. That's
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when he said basically, well, I didn't really plead guilty. I just did it because I had to.
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And the question was, were you lying then or were you lying now? And Michael Cohen still does not seem
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to have a good answer or good defense for that. There is no really good answer. And in the civil
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trial, he wound up getting in a really heated exchange. Some have described it as a yelling
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match with Trump's defense attorneys. Now, our colleagues inside are reporting that jurors
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appear to be paying attention to this back and forth. They're pretty attentive to everything,
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but they know right here, Michael Cohen's credibility is on the line. And Todd Blanch,
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given a day off to kind of regroup, see how his approach on Tuesday works. He has been much more
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affected undercutting Michael Cohen's credibility. I reiterate, we still haven't gotten to the actual
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testimony in this case, what he has testified to on the stand, but they're really laying the
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foundation that this man is a liar who refuses to accept responsibility. Now, we still have a long
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way to go. And I just want to thank all the lawyers involved because they've been really working hard
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and I'm spending a lot of time and I'm spending a lot of money, which is what they want. They want me to
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spend my time and my money and I'm willing to do it because ultimately we have to fight for the
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This thing is imploding and it's interesting, Jake, there's a great parallel that developed
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today. This case is going to turn on was the, uh, that phone call was the motive here,
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president Trump trying to save his marriage or save his campaign. And now we have Mr. Cohen
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who told this jury under oath. I called about stormy Daniels. Now he's trying to, to, to hurt a 14
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year old child. So it's a really interesting parallel. What kind of think goes after a 14
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year old kid? I'll get the secret service. You ever hear a call block? I mean, we get hate mail
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all the time. You just block them. I mean, this guy is a crumb.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have
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had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do
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people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul. I wish that any of these
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people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task? And what is my purpose? If that answer
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is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K.
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It's Thursday, 16 May in the year of our Lord, 2024. It has been explosive in New York City. It's been
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explosive on Capitol Hill. We're going to get it all covered in this hour and much, much more.
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Welcome to the War Room. Let's go right to New York City. Our own Andrew Giuliani,
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Rav's man on the spot. Andrew, tell us, it looked like it was explosive inside this courtroom today.
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Yeah, and I'm with Jeff Clark here as well, Steve. I have to tell you, the morning session
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ended with an absolute bang. Todd Blanche brought back the testimony that Cohen gave on Tuesday
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about a 96-second phone call that Cohen had had through Keith Shiller, Keith Shiller being President
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Trump's longtime bodyguard, this being in October of 2016. When they went through that, Cohen had said
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originally that this conversation was about Stormy Daniels. Well, I will say, at that point, Blanche went
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through a text message conversation where it was all about Cohen talking about a 14-year-old that was
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stalking him, and he wanted Keith Shiller to call him about that. Keith said that he would call him
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in 20 minutes. About 20 minutes later, there was a 96-second phone call between Keith Shiller
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and Michael Cohen, and the next day, Michael Cohen asked Keith Shiller of a follow-up about the family.
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There was nothing about Stormy Daniels. At that moment, Todd Blanche asked, did you lie about this?
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He raised his voice. I thought it was an incredible effect for the jury, and I thought,
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aside from getting an admission from Cohen that he perjured himself, I think he did everything he
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needed to, considering how much they set up Cohen as having perjured himself in the past.
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Can Jeff Clark hear me? Jeff, you're one of the most experienced lawyers around. Tell me,
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you've been there all day. What are your thoughts?
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Sure, Steve. So, look, you know, the 14-year-old thing was pretty explosive for the legal reasons
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that Andrew's gone through, but I just want to give you the atmospherics of the fact that they went
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through what Michael Cohen was doing to this kid, threatening him, threatening essentially to expose
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him to his parents, and that, you know, 14-year-old sort of kind of denying it, like, it's not me, but
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please don't do that. Please don't do that, because, you know, obviously he's 14 years old. He knows he's,
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he's gonna, like, you know, if Michael Cohen's coming after him, like, you know, he's, he's in
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great fear. You've got to be a real creep to do that to someone when you know that they're 14 years
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old. It's not like he's dealing with, you know, someone from the press and someone who poses a
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physical threat to him. It really is just the revealing of Michael Cohen's character, so that
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also came out. You know, Steve, let me talk about some, some legal issues, if I could, that came up
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after. Yeah, please, please. So today broke pretty early, at around four, and then the judge heard
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from Emile Bovey about the whole set of issues about the Federal Election Commission and about
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whether Brad Smith, you know, would be allowed to testify as an expert witness for Trump or not
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in what circumstances. So it was Bovey versus Matt Colangelo, right? So I got to see Matt Colangelo
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action for the first time. And look, Steve, I'm mystified. I don't understand why this is not
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preempted, this whole attempt to basically criminalize federal election law kind of a
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second time and at its level of remove, why that's not preempted, why that's not barred by federal law.
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And even if it's not preempted, there's a fallback argument that all of the issues are within the
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primary jurisdiction of the Federal Election Commission. They're not within the jurisdiction of
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New York State Supreme Courts. And they're also within the jurisdiction of only the federal courts
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that can review the actions of the Federal Election Commission. I don't think this case should have
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gotten off the ground before there was a determination of how these novel election issues is mapped onto
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these facts. You know, it was first adjudicated by the Federal Election Commission and then by
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courts engaged in judicial review. So it's mystifying to me, but Matt Colangelo just, you know,
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he butters the judge up and says, look, judge, you don't need to hear from some fancy federal
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election expert from Trump. Just listen to my legal arguments and you've already accepted them. So
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shut Trump down. And then Rashawn says, well, I'll study it some more, but I'm inclined to think
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you're right, Mr. Colangelo. And so, you know, Mr. Trump, you're going to have a very limited expert
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witness. You can testify about what I'll call the Wikipedia level of the law. What is the Federal
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Election Commission? What's its structure? That's not going to be helpful to the jury at all.
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Not in the least. So it's a true, it's a true sham. And I think that it's something that's
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Okay, let's go back to Manhattan. We have Dr. Seb Gorgerson joining us here in a moment to talk
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about this explosive, what happened on Capitol Hill today. Let me go back to Andrew Giuliani
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and Jeff Clark in front of the court in Manhattan. Andrew, tomorrow, President Trump's going to be
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at his graduation. That's been pre-planned that they're going to have a day off. They did not
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finish with the cross-examination of Michael Cohen. That's going to continue on Monday. Walk me through
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the logic, the logistics of all this. Well, yeah. Cross-examination is going to continue.
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There was talk even at the end of the day after they dismissed the jury that cross-examination
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will likely be done in the morning tomorrow. The prosecution won't call any more witnesses
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and the defense may only have one witness, but they are holding... Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.
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Andrew, there's no court tomorrow. Isn't that going to take place Monday? Sorry, Monday. It's been a long
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week listening to Michael Cohen. I've lost some brain cells. Yes, Monday is actually the next time
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that they'll have court. So you're right, Steve. So hold it. And are you saying that that's when
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the prosecution could come back and try to clean up Michael Cohen, right, on a rebuttal? But
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then are they looking... Is the defense going to call any more witnesses? Are they going to rest their
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case? Right now, the only one that they've committed to so far is an expert witness. But
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right now, they're keeping basically it open. They're saying they're going to decide this weekend.
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Steve, on a little bit of a different part, I think the importance of this weekend, and probably
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Jeff understands this even better than I do, I think that Trump team needs to be working double
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time this weekend to review every single thing that Cohen said on the stand over the last three days.
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There's a very good chance that you can catch him in another perjury charge if you actually look
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through this. And so I would be billing your hours this weekend if you're the Trump team,
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considering you have the extra day. Is President Trump then going to present after that,
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after prosecution rests, do we have any sense of what their defense... Are they going to start
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calling witnesses Tuesday, Wednesday of next week? I guess Wednesday's court's off, but Tuesday,
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Thursday of next week? Yeah, I mean, the defense could theoretically start calling their witnesses
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early as Monday. That probably won't be till Tuesday. But again, the judge had said, you know,
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summations, be ready for summations by Tuesday. So you're looking probably at Thursday or Friday,
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the latest of summations here. So, Jeff, what do you think? Yeah, I think that...
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Sorry. Hang on. Hang on. Slow down. Take a deep breath. Are you telling me that President Trump,
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at least as they said today, would present his defense in a day or two? When they talk about
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summations, they mean summations in front of the jury? Steve, I found that strange as well. But
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watching this entire case, I think it's based off of the credibility of Michael Cohen. They've still
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produced no documents that are not based off of Michael Cohen's word. And they have shredded it to a
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point that I think is irreparable. And I think they might just be getting further away from that
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testimony for the jury. And they might be thinking it might be better off to have that as fresh in
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the jury's mind as possible when they go and deliberate. Wow. Jeff Clark, your thoughts. You
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do this for a living. Sure. So, look, Todd Blanche also got an admission from Michael Cohen that all of
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his statements that he made, which basically said President Trump wasn't a party to the
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settlement contract and the nondisclosure agreement. You know, the money wasn't paid by him. He admitted
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that all those statements were true. In other words, to my mind, the whole prosecution theory of
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the case was fake. Then he put out a press statement, which similarly he said was true.
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And then he tried to, you know, weasel out of it and say, well, it was misleading. But then,
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you know, Todd Blanche just nailed it. Like, well, like, where's the misleadingness? And then,
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you know, Cohen just sort of collapsed and said, you know, it's true. So, you know, I don't see that
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there's much left to the case. That might be what the defense is thinking. But they're going to noodle
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over the weekend. I think they are going to be burning the candle at both ends. And the judge is
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also going to be doing that because he said he's going to produce a ruling on what the jury instructions
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are going to be, which is wrapped up in all of these complicated legal issues about how the
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Federal Election Commission issues work. You know, there's a whole discussion of something,
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you know, this will warm your heart, Steve, with something called the irrespective rule
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from the Federal Election Commission. I mean, like, it's as abstract and arcane as things go.
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Jeff, help us out here, too, on Capitol Hill. They voted out a committee judiciary. As you know,
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we opened the show with a supercut of really the House Freedom Caucus. A lot of those people are
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on oversight. They're going back to have their markup tonight. The committee judiciary voted out
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this contempt charge to Merrick Garland for not producing the audio tapes of Biden's conversations
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with his ghostwriter, which looks like a major breach of national security in his classified
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documents case. Walk us through how important is this? What a big deal, and particularly the White
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House coming in and exerting executive privilege at the last second. Sure. So first, Steve, it's refreshing
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to see that the Republicans are finally fighting back. It's taken a while, but it's time to, you know,
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take the gloves off and really start getting into the bare-knuckle boxing match on this. Look, when they
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formed the January 6th committee, they brought in, you know, true pipe hitters, Steve. They brought in,
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you know, a Democrat former U.S. attorney, Tim Haffey. They brought in a former Republican U.S.
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attorney in Bush 43 from Missouri. You know, that that was supposedly Liz Cheney's sort of, you know,
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bipartisanship that brought him in. But then plus a whole lot of assisted U.S. attorneys. You know,
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I think that that the Republicans haven't responded with that same level of, you know, attack dog mode.
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And the irony of it is that there's so much more here in terms of corruption.
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I think, did we drop the, did we drop the signal? Okay, fine. Let me go. Let's see if we can get
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those guys back up. It's, I know the noise has been a little cumbersome there. Seb, let's go to
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Dr. Seb Gorka. We've got Dr. Gorka up. Seb, a lot of people have kind of put out of their mind
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the whole Biden part of this. I know you haven't. Today, a markup, a markup about, about criminal
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contempt of Merrick Garland and the corrupt Justice Department on holding back the audio tapes
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between the ghostwriter and Biden. At the very last second, when the committee is about to have
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an open hearing and have it televised, they call Merrick Garland steps to the sticks and
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exerts, the White House exerts executive privilege. Your thoughts, sir?
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Well, first things first, I'm outraged that somebody's actually covering what's going on in
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the courtroom. Oh, my gosh. It's the war room actually having analysis from that great American
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Rudy's son. God bless him. And Mr. Clark as well. How is it that nobody else in the media
00:23:35.280
is actually having analysis about what's happening in the courtroom as the president, the leader
00:23:41.880
of the opposition, is facing 730 years in prison? Oh, finally, the GOP realized that he's in court
00:23:48.880
and they finally went down there. So it took them long enough. But seriously, I have to commend
00:23:53.700
you guys with regards to your coverage inside the courtroom. Yeah. You know, there's only one
00:24:00.440
problem with this, uh, the committee proposing that the, uh, the, uh, attorney general should be
00:24:08.440
held in contempt. They didn't address it to the attorney general, uh, because they addressed it
00:24:12.760
to Merrick Garland. Even president Trump on this show, what did he say? No, seriously. What did
00:24:18.680
president Trump say on this show on my show? He said, uh, yeah, uh, Lisa Monaco, the woman who runs
00:24:24.100
the DOJ, I'd be impressed. I'd be right. I'd be impressed if Jim Jordan and the rest of them
00:24:31.160
issued a subpoena for Obama's counterterrorism advisor, who president Trump has openly said is
00:24:39.640
the person running the DOJ, whether it's, you know, the, the, the, the former station chief
00:24:46.580
in London that was behind the deep state, you know, who I'm talking about working for Brennan,
00:24:52.180
whether it was of course, you know, Susan Rice, or whether it is that Harrington, Lisa Monaco,
00:24:59.060
I'd like to see the Republicans on Capitol Hill actually target the people who are really running
00:25:06.160
the country. It's not the meat puppet, Merrick Garland. It's not, what is it Dan Bongino calls
00:25:11.100
him? It's not the rotting bag of oatmeal who is Joe Biden. It's these, the, these women,
00:25:17.280
these dry harridans that are running the country. And it's time the GOP actually said it publicly
00:25:23.800
because if president Trump can do it, they should be able to do it too. Shouldn't they, Steve?
00:25:28.740
Uh, amen. Listen, have you ever, I know, cause you're a national security expert. You were
00:25:33.560
with, uh, president Trump in the white house as my deputy strategist, but they're for national
00:25:37.420
security. Um, aren't you concerned? We haven't had any, uh, analysis at all from a national security
00:25:44.180
or intelligence perspective, exactly what Biden gave up. What did Biden talk about? They've got
00:25:49.500
the tapes. They won't release them. How big a deal is this? Well, think about it, Steve. It's,
00:25:55.200
it's not just the tapes, which is weird. They're, they're, they're what they're imposing, uh,
00:25:59.960
executive privilege. I thought that doesn't exist anymore. I thought if you're president Trump,
00:26:04.780
you don't have it. If you work for president Trump, you don't have presidential immunity,
00:26:08.240
executive privileges. Isn't, isn't somebody called Peter Navarro in prison right now because he said
00:26:13.580
he has executive privilege given to him by his boss, the president. Look, it's not just about the
00:26:18.880
tapes with the ghostwriter. Remember this man was in politics for 47 years, you know, as well as
00:26:25.780
anyone skiffs, you know, secure compartmented information facilities, like the ones we worked
00:26:32.580
in, in the sit room, in the EEOB, in the Eisenhower executive building, those only apply to what if
00:26:39.300
you're at Langley, if you're at a secure facility and FOB, if you're in the Senate where the relevant
00:26:47.140
committee has access to its skiff, what is a Senator doing with classified documents from when he was
00:26:56.940
a Senator? I'm trying to think Steve, which senators have skiffs built for them, uh, by the, the GSA in
00:27:04.120
their homes, in their garages next to the Corvette. And the, the laws are very interesting. If you're not
00:27:10.860
familiar with the laws on national security and the securing of our classified data, motivation,
00:27:17.920
it's one of the only areas in U.S. code where intent is irrelevant. Whether you're Aldrich Ames
00:27:25.380
and, and whether you're Hansen stealing documents to give to our enemies, or whether you're a moron who
00:27:34.720
forgot your briefcase on the Metro with classified documents, you have both committed a felony.
00:27:42.960
That's the truth about Joe Biden as Senator, as Vice President, and now with his ghostwriter. He is
00:27:50.140
guilty of multiple felonies, which would have put us, each one of those would have put us in prison
00:27:55.920
for a long, long time if we had been found to be storing top secret information in our homes, Steve.
00:28:03.640
Dr. Gorka, hang on for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Dr. Gorka and Natalie's
00:28:07.820
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Seb, when they mark this up tonight at Oversight, we're going to have a constitutional crisis here in
00:29:29.400
the next week or two because the White House has dug in. And Seb, I think you'd agree with me. They
00:29:34.520
must have a reason for doing this, exerting exception privilege at the very last second. I think you're
00:29:39.280
100% correct. I think there's multiple felonies there. When you really drill down to this,
00:29:43.440
it's, and your point was perfect. Not about intent, what actually happened, and they've
00:29:48.260
tried to cover this up, and now they're throwing down an executive privilege. This is going to cause
00:29:51.980
a constitutional crisis. You watch. This one's going to be big. But I want to, yeah, go ahead.
00:29:56.520
Before you move on, just look at the fact pattern, right? We know he's senile. We know he's had two
00:30:02.100
brain aneurysms. He's had surgery. This isn't about somebody who just forgot. I mean, you worked.
00:30:11.380
You had a clearance in the Navy. I still have TSSCI. We had the highest clearances in the White
00:30:16.980
House. It's not just, you can't take these documents home by accident, okay? And the question
00:30:24.140
is, why did he take them home? And if you add that fact pattern to the 21 front companies,
00:30:31.340
to the $1.4 billion deal with Communist China, to the deals with Kazakhstan, with Romania, with
00:30:37.320
Burisma? Well, why would you take those documents home if it wasn't an accident, Steve? It's a very
00:30:47.620
good question, isn't it? If your son is making these deals with enemies to our nation and nations
00:30:53.980
that are non-functioning autocracies. And I'm sure we're going to find this out. That's where we're
00:31:00.380
going to head toward a constitutional crisis. You made a comment before you bounce about we have
00:31:06.680
David Zier up there every day. We have Andrew Giuliani. We're in the courtroom. We're in the
00:31:10.380
overflow room. We're doing wall-to-wall coverage. And look, we understand that there's no charges,
00:31:15.680
but we feel we need to cover it. And we're really glad that congressmen and senators are going up now
00:31:20.140
in attorney generals to back President Trump. But what is your thoughts about conservative media and
00:31:24.240
coverage they've given President Trump in this? Well, look, on my Newsmax show, I had John Glasgow
00:31:29.280
on the show who'd just been in the courtroom, and I could pepper him with questions. So, you know,
00:31:35.080
somebody's doing something. But why is it me on Newsmax with John and you on the war room?
00:31:42.560
Where else, where is everybody else? I mean, the coverage on Breitbart is great. But hang on,
00:31:47.540
this is the most important court case in American history. I'm sorry, the most important court case,
00:31:53.080
because they're forcing him, forget about who it is, you know, Stormy, paid to have sex on camera,
00:31:59.560
Michael Cohen, convicted perjurer. They forced him to do what? Not campaign. President Trump can't
00:32:07.460
campaign because of this. This is stealing an election before the first ballot is even put in
00:32:13.380
a ballot box. It is the most important, if you look at what happened in New Jersey, if you look at
00:32:19.000
what happened with the Siena New York Times poll. They're trying to steal it before it is ever even
00:32:24.800
voted on. And where's the mainstream media doing that kind of analysis, like Giuliani just did for us,
00:32:32.520
like Clark just did for us? Where is, Steve, why is it missing? What's the answer to that question?
00:32:38.100
I'm curious what you say. Well, it's information warfare. MSNBC is wall-to-wall,
00:32:42.720
but it's information warfare. You're getting a totally different take on things with MSNBC.
00:32:48.040
Seb, where do people go to get all your content, the shows, the podcasts, the writing, all of it?
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Check out just Seb Gawker, Sebastian Gawker on Rumble on your podcast platform. Check out
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Katie's new podcast, The Happy Women Podcast, and her book, Next Gen Marxism, by Katie Gawker and Mike
00:33:04.800
Gonzalez. You can find me everywhere except the fascists of YouTube. So look up Seb Gawker,
00:33:10.760
Katie Gawker, and you'll find me. Seb, I think a lot of people are going to have you on as this
00:33:16.400
thing heats up next week on this criminal contempt charge against Garland and the exertion of
00:33:21.160
executive privilege. Lisa Monaco, Lisa Monaco, Lisa Monaco. Your girl, your girl. Thank you very
00:33:28.180
much, sir. Appreciate it. Thanks, Steve. Bye. Jeff Clark, you know about Lisa Monaco. Talk to me about
00:33:33.180
the importance here. Are we heading towards a constitutional crisis because of the exertion
00:33:37.660
of executive privilege in this case to try to protect Biden? Yeah, well, they're going to try
00:33:42.400
to set this up as a bilateral fight between Congress on the one side and the executive
00:33:47.460
on the other. Which isn't remarkable about when they need it to shield Biden. Now they have a
00:33:52.800
unitary executive, right? They're just going to close ranks and pretend they can fit them off. Where's
00:33:57.940
Robert Herb? If Robert Herb were, you know, really independent of Joe Biden and Merrick Garland,
00:34:06.060
then what he would do is he would go to court and he would argue that executive privilege doesn't
00:34:11.700
apply. If he does an interview, right, if he's a separate actor, then that breaches executive
00:34:16.680
privilege. The only way it can preserve executive privilege, so they're caught in contradictions
00:34:20.980
one way or another, is if he's part of and subordinate to the president, which is what they've
00:34:26.580
always denied. Hey, Jeff, Jeff, we can barely hear you. I'm going to try to get it reset up. Let us
00:34:32.880
bounce. You guys stay right there. We're going to try to get a windscreen or something on that mic
00:34:36.520
because we can barely hear you and I know the audience can't. Just hang on for a second.
00:34:40.660
Let's try to get a windscreen on this because it's got too much good content. We're heading
00:34:45.080
towards a constitutional crisis, ladies and gentlemen. Exertion of executive privilege to
00:34:49.760
try to cover up for Biden on the classified documents case. The House judiciary voted criminal
00:34:56.800
contempt. You're going to get charged against Merrick Garland for not turning it over tonight. I think
00:35:01.040
you're going to get oversight. A lot of those congressmen you saw in the supercut are heading
00:35:04.480
back to D.C. to do it right now. Natalie Winters, I think a couple more wins for us today. They
00:35:11.000
released the transcript of Collins' testimony. I know you're not thrilled with it. I'm not
00:35:16.700
thrilled with it, but walk us through it. Definitely some bombshells in there when it
00:35:20.900
comes to the origins of COVID. To me, the biggest buried lead was the fact that Francis Collins
00:35:26.020
admits there was never any scientific proof or evidence that he could point to that actually
00:35:31.540
showed there was any efficacy to social distancing measures. This, of course, is a very interesting
00:35:37.180
revelation because Francis Collins really spearheaded that charge in his former role as the director of
00:35:42.940
NIH. He literally wrote a blog post for his own personal website describing social distancing
00:35:48.860
is a must. He mocked churches for not following social distance protocols. In the Washington Post,
00:35:54.820
he was in the Atlantic saying that we need, quote, draconian social distancing measures. So again,
00:36:00.940
another reason why we should never trust the experts, why they always have ulterior motives.
00:36:05.520
But Steve, you sort of bring up the more important point. I think the logical follow-up,
00:36:10.340
rather the thread that they should have pulled, is that if they were lying about social distancing,
00:36:16.120
it's a pretty logical conclusion to say that they were at least OK with, if not actively lying,
00:36:20.640
about mask mandates and to the most important thing, the COVID vaccines. But nothing in the
00:36:25.600
transcript, at least from what I saw, really kind of touched around that issue. And I think that just
00:36:31.460
gets to what I would say the sort of original sin of this COVID committee is, which is that I think it
00:36:37.600
really was set up not to necessarily get to the bottom of the way the United States' federal government
00:36:43.720
really played an intimate role in the creation of COVID-19 and, of course, weaponized it when it comes to
00:36:48.580
the vaccines. But they've sort of used it as a way to deflect blame, placing it squarely on EcoHealth
00:36:54.680
Alliance or the Chinese Communist Party. But there's much bigger institutional problems that even
00:37:00.520
extend beyond the scope of the National Institutes of Health. But for what it's worth, I think the
00:37:06.340
testimony shows it's case closed. Do not trust the experts. They're lying. They don't even have the
00:37:12.280
evidence to back up their ridiculous assertions.
00:37:14.820
Here's what I would like to do. I'd like to get if Grace and Mo and you can help put I want to put this
00:37:20.920
transcript up so everybody can read it. I think it's very over this weekend, not urgent, but it's a good
00:37:26.620
tutorial exercise, because I was very disappointed in the level of questions and the follow up questions. I
00:37:33.760
mean, Collins is such a remember Collins is the guy they couldn't touch. Right. He's run this thing for 40 years.
00:37:39.820
They told us in the transition that he's you know, he's locked in. He's the man they've given
00:37:45.020
congressional every congressional district research money, university money. This guy's actually more
00:37:50.220
powerful. They told us right up front. We don't care what Peter Thiel's doing on reorganizing
00:37:54.880
government. We don't care what his chief of staff, Blake Masters has to say. We don't care what Trump
00:37:58.860
as president elect has to say. This guy's not getting moved out. So Collins and as you remember,
00:38:04.280
he left pretty quickly. I think it shocked people. Given that we had that shot, I thought
00:38:09.560
the questioning and particularly the follow on questioning was very weak. Your thoughts?
00:38:15.100
Yeah, I mean, he has a lot of overlap and collaborative efforts with the Chinese Communist
00:38:19.660
Party, particularly on the human genome project and this very controversial Bill Gates back term known
00:38:25.380
as BGI genomics. I definitely think they should have gone there. But I think it sort of goes to just
00:38:30.160
the issue with Congress, not just that we don't have many fighters, but of course, big pharma isn't
00:38:34.860
going to want to ask the questions right about the COVID-19 vaccines. And frankly, I think this
00:38:40.280
committee has been been dragging their heels when it comes to really getting to the role that the United
00:38:45.800
States apparatus and the intelligence community played, not just in the creation of COVID-19. We,
00:38:52.280
of course, have other breaking news on gain of function research, but how sinister the cover up
00:38:57.600
efforts were coming from the American landscape, not just from the Chinese Communist Party. I would
00:39:03.760
almost say that our American elites on this side almost, I think, are probably engaged in a worse
00:39:10.500
cover up than the Chinese Communist Party did. And I know that's a harsh allegation. But when you look
00:39:15.620
at the levels to which they went, whether it was the social media censorship, I mean, there's literally
00:39:21.300
clips of Francis Collins mocking people who said social distancing didn't work. It's spreading
00:39:27.480
misinformation, saying we need to shut them down. So the willingness, the intentionality behind the
00:39:33.840
lies, right, whether it was social distancing, masks, vaccines, it's not a result of incompetence,
00:39:40.480
right? And that's sort of the perennial question when it comes to the Biden regime. It's not
00:39:44.320
incompetence. It's intentional. And then you really start to get into, well, what are their intentions?
00:39:49.260
And when you see all these lies starting to unfold, I think you're led, really, all roads lead to the
00:39:55.000
fact that they did intentionally want to release a pandemic. They did want to affect the outcome
00:39:58.940
of the 2020 election. I don't really think you can come to a different conclusion that public health
00:40:04.620
is not about public health. It's squarely about politics. It's squarely about power. And that's
00:40:10.340
why, of course, they accused President Trump of, you know, politicizing the science. And they put
00:40:14.640
people like Fauci and Francis Collins up on these pedestals, right, as these legends. But once they get an
00:40:20.580
ounce of fire underneath their feet, or people start digging into their past, what do they do?
00:40:25.880
They resign because they've never had to face accountability. You have the Atlantic saying,
00:40:29.680
we want pandemic amnesty. So that's why you saw the resignation.
00:40:34.280
No, no. And I take it because I knew very little about public health. If you think the Defense
00:40:41.000
Department controls, you know, the appropriations and what they call the kernels, and that's one of the
00:40:45.360
reasons it's so hard to get budget cuts. The biopharmaceutical industry may be 5x to that about
00:40:52.060
their grip on the U.S. government. I mean, this really is elite merger, is it not, ma'am?
00:40:58.200
Of course, if you look at the expenditures that big pharma has put out when it comes to lobbying
00:41:02.920
Capitol Hill, I would say they rival the Chinese Communist Party. But you have to link it to, I think,
00:41:07.840
to the broader effort here, which is that it's not even about public health, right? It's just about
00:41:13.480
weaponizing certain viruses, certain strains to create this sort of fear-mongering narrative.
00:41:18.640
And you even see it in the news today. The CDC is saying there's new deadly strains of monkeypox
00:41:24.100
that are coming back. They're saying there's a new flirt variant of COVID that's circulating
00:41:28.720
in the wastewater. You have two days ago, one of the lead stories in The Guardian, some
00:41:32.960
random health expert in the U.K., they have her blasting on the front page saying that
00:41:37.900
super bug resistance is going to make, you know, the COVID pandemic look like child's play.
00:41:43.480
This is all part of a converging effort, which I think dovetails, I would say, quite nicely
00:41:50.060
with the WHO wanting to institute this pandemic treaty. But see, the biggest tell with all of
00:41:55.660
these people, right, is that any normal person who wasn't operating under whether it was big
00:42:01.640
pharma influence, Chinese Communist Party influence, globalist influence, would say no more research
00:42:07.420
with the Chinese Communist Party. International collaboration doesn't work. COVID proved that they
00:42:11.860
don't tell us the truth and that there's civil military fusion over there that renders any
00:42:15.980
scientific collaboration with them a hardcore national security threat. But none of these
00:42:20.540
people have ever come out and said that. They're still paying lip service to the Chinese Communist
00:42:24.760
Party. Their response to COVID-19 is that we need more international collaboration. It's an absolutely
00:42:31.180
asinine take. But like I said, it's not a result of incompetence. It's a result of intentionality.
00:42:38.680
No, they're actually arguing for you need more cooperation with the CCP's military labs. Hang on
00:42:43.960
for one second. It's Kafkaesque, right? You just can't believe it's going on. Hang on for one second.
00:42:48.760
We're going to hold you through the break. Our own Natalie Werner's got a couple of scalps
00:42:51.700
and driving action on the house. Of course, they're trying to pick on her, but Natalie's a pretty tough
00:42:58.420
girl. She can fight back. Philip Patrick is going to join me on Saturday. We can't get him during the
00:43:04.880
week and the reason they're so busy over at Birch Gold, but you can get access to him.
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Support people that support your values. Did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan
00:44:49.740
Institute of Virology through Echo Health? It depends on your definition of gain-of-function
00:44:55.680
research. If you're speaking about the generic term, yes, we did. But this is research. The generic term
00:45:06.120
is research that goes on in many, many labs around the country. It is not regulated. And the reason
00:45:12.240
it's not regulated is it poses no threat or harm to anybody. No threat or harm, the weaponization of
00:45:18.780
viruses. Natalie, you've been with us a long time. You were with Rahim before that. I think we've
00:45:24.380
worked on this. We started talking about gain-of-function and Barrick, particularly when NBC did a big
00:45:30.500
special on him. Local news down there, I think at the University and Chapel Hill. I believe that was
00:45:35.980
in April. It was late March or April of 2020. They finally admitted it, ma'am.
00:45:42.820
Now, I don't usually go for the ad hominem attacks, but is this guy not just the, like,
00:45:47.280
epitome of a D.C. swampy bureaucrat type? I don't just say that because of the way he looks or speaks,
00:45:54.260
even what he's saying, right? The word salad, shifting the goalposts. It's amazing. But it's
00:46:01.140
not amazing for the country. I would say it's also D.C. swamp vibes because he is, of course,
00:46:06.400
well, I guess actually not. He's actually telling the truth. But remember, this proves that Anthony
00:46:10.420
Fauci perjured himself, right? There were those infamous kind of exchanges between him and Senator
00:46:16.280
Rand Paul where Anthony Fauci says repeatedly, we did not fund gain-of-function research. You know,
00:46:21.640
I am the science. You do not know what you're talking about. But this guy was the principal
00:46:25.940
deputy director of the National Institutes of Health from 2021, or rather 2020 to 2023. He was
00:46:31.800
a very close advisor of Anthony Fauci, ostensibly. He would know what's going on. But this admission
00:46:38.300
really is a smoking gun in that either he's perjuring himself, right, or Anthony Fauci is.
00:46:43.280
But it confirms all the reporting that we've known all along. Like you said, we've been,
00:46:46.860
you know, ahead of the curve. It, of course, earned us the top misinformation spreading label
00:46:50.700
from the New York Times still waiting on their attraction for that article. Don't think we'll
00:46:54.960
be getting that. But we know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is a close collaborator
00:46:59.460
with the People's Liberation Army, that they were souping up genetically engineered mice
00:47:03.040
that mimicked, you know, human systems and just internal organs that were given to them by Ralph
00:47:08.920
Barrick. With these strains of coronaviruses, they were being trained by researchers from the
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Galveston National Laboratory in collaboration with Ralph Barrick from UNC Chapel Hill. But what I think
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is the worst part is that this guy was part of that sort of evil cohort, Anthony Fauci,
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Francis Collins, all those people who really coordinated to suppress the lab leak theory and
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brand them as absolute deranged lunatics. Yet now you see years down the road, they're comfortable
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coming out saying that, right? If we would have said that, we would have been censored for
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misinformation. So I would say, you know, while it's important to take the scalp and it proves that
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Anthony Fauci perjured himself, always in the back of my mind, whenever we're talking about
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pandemic related things, you have to sort of, I think it begs the question, especially on the
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heels of the New York Times grand reversal, right, with the COVID vaccine injuries and the mainstream
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media's willingness to address that. Why are they doing such a 180? Frankly, it's multiple iterations
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of 180. It's like 600 degrees, right? On so many topics that used to be such heresy to even get into.
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And I think when you see all this news coming out that, you know, monkeypox is reemerging,
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there's new COVID strains, there's new pandemic potentials, the WHO pandemic treaty, they want
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to pass that. It's almost like they're trying to garner trust and public support, right, for the
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so-called experts before the next crisis, the next looming crisis actually materializes.
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The next one they drop. Also, I'm sure it's unrelated to President Trump and MAGA's rise in
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