On today's show, Alex Blumberg joins Jemele to discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of Donald Trump's presidency, and what it means for the country if he wins re-election. Alex and Jemele also discuss the implications of a second term for Donald Trump, and whether or not he will seek retribution.
00:00:00.000There's only probably one thing that you might dislike in this poll, and that's that 72 percent of people say they do not want Donald Trump to seek retribution in a second term.
00:00:10.600Well, you know, it's not retribution. It's called justice.
00:00:13.820If you ask retribution, nobody wants retribution.
00:00:16.000Last thing, Raheem, this is why, well, maybe a tiny bit, small r.
00:00:25.720What do people inside the FBI think when they hear a comment like that?
00:00:30.980You know, it's it is it's terrifying. It's frightening.
00:00:36.000I have a lot of conversations with former colleagues, people who are or were in the intelligence and law enforcement community and may have worked in the Obama administration, other places.
00:00:49.140And, you know, people are really trying to assess, like, what is life going to be like if Donald Trump wins a second term?
00:00:55.420And on a very personal level, I mean, these are torturous discussions with their family members about whether or not they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally and illegally detained.
00:01:07.940I mean, people are actually worried about being thrown in jail or grabbed in some sort of extrajudicial detention.
00:01:14.880And I think, you know, as crazy as this sounds in the United States of America, I think people should really consider that these are possibilities.
00:01:23.800Listen to what the man says. He typically does what he says, as crazy as it seems.
00:01:29.000And that's really all the indicators you need.
00:01:32.300Republicans won't just be passive bystanders either.
00:01:36.000Many are now actively helping the twice impeached, multiply indicted ex-president justify the primary self-serving objective of his current presidential bid.
00:01:46.580Within minutes of Trump being convicted last week, the GOP disinformation machine switched into high gear.
00:01:53.020The speaker, Mike Johnson, called the former president's first criminal trial, quote, a purely political exercise.
00:02:00.340Others threw out terms like kangaroo court and show trial.
00:02:03.820But make no mistake, this is all in service of undermining the verdict in order to pave the way for the next stage in Donald Trump's assault on democracy.
00:02:12.580Republicans are now letting all Americans know once and for all that you're either with Trump or you're against him.
00:02:20.860And if you're against him, then you should also know that they intend to use the powers of the government against you.
00:02:27.940And I think you're just going to see him get worse because Trump, no matter what his team may have told your reporter, Trump doesn't care about issues.
00:02:35.880There is no issue in this election for him other than revenge and getting elected so that he can stay out of prison.
00:02:42.580And that's what he's going to keep going with because it clearly obsesses him, as it should, considering how many more criminal indictments he faces.
00:04:06.680I feel like what we saw in his first presidency was an amuse bouche to what his intentions are.
00:04:13.620He has learned from his mistakes of appointing professionals and he will not make that mistake next time.
00:04:20.180I don't want to see what happened in Germany years ago happen here in this country.
00:04:25.860What do you mean by what happened in Germany happened here?
00:04:28.420All the things that started World War Two.
00:04:31.700Just witch hunts and brainwashing people.
00:04:35.460So that suggested that all I mean, none of us want to see what happened in Germany happen here.
00:04:41.200But that suggests that the Trump's campaigns, lies and insults and spin might be working to confuse some voters about who actually stands for the Constitution in this country and what's really at stake in this election.
00:04:54.960That woman and I share a lot of views, but I don't think we're coming to the same conclusions about how to how to prevent very bad things from happening in America.
00:05:01.440No, and that's part of the ongoing campaign of lies and now threats.
00:05:09.800Think about the degree to which that woman has absolutely no understanding of what happened with the Nazis and World War Two.
00:06:16.580And then on the side of the people who oppose Trump, we hold ourselves hostage sometimes by saying, oh, what will his supporters do if he's saying this and we bring him to court?
00:06:31.540And that's another negative impact of what he's saying and doing.
00:06:36.100I hate the word bully because it seems kind of namby-pamby to me, but that's what bullies do, is they cow people, they intimidate people with language that they may never have to follow through on.
00:06:48.460Although, as you said at the opening, Ali, I think he does intend to follow through on that kind of threat if he, heaven forbid.
00:06:55.540This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:07:03.380Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:07:08.600I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:07:12.860The people have had a belly full of it.
00:08:20.400Why is he saying it's terrifying, we're having torturous conversations?
00:08:24.340Yo, bro, if you didn't do anything wrong, nothing to worry about.
00:08:29.020You people absolutely understand your criminality.
00:08:32.820See, they understand their criminality.
00:08:34.680And they understand also, when we get our hands on the apparatus, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DNI, all of it, the deep state and the administrative state,
00:08:45.720they understand to the core of their being what they've done and what tracks they've left.
00:08:53.000This is all going to be inside the Constitution, the rule of law.
00:08:56.800Now, just like we don't need to steal elections, you steal elections.
00:11:24.080You knew that in November, December 2019, and you kept it from the American people until Rudy Giuliani, Bob Costello, Stephen K. Bannon eventually got the New York Post with the great Miranda Devine and Emma Jo Morris, two heroes, who the New York Post and give devil his due, the Murdoch team over there, published it.
00:11:44.760And then Biden stood in front of the American people, lied about it, and you lied about it, and your 52 buddies.
00:11:49.140The first ones they're going to come after are the 52 that said that.
00:11:53.000Strip their security clearances for them, put them under investigation, eventually indict them, try them, imprison them.
00:12:58.300But we have to go back to the people that tried to steal this republic, to try to turn it into a fascist state, to try to turn it into a police state.
00:13:05.140And the media should understand, too, every text message, every email, every lie you told is going to be exposed.
00:13:11.400And, yes, you're going to be held accountable.
00:13:12.840If you didn't do anything wrong, you shouldn't be having a torturous conversation.
00:13:16.640If you didn't do anything wrong, why are you having torturous conversations?
00:13:20.640You even shot Caitlin Collins there and look at the media every day, all the fascists, these fascists, no.
00:13:26.140We are the movement, and Donald Trump is our leader, to make sure that this never happens again in American history.
00:13:33.800And we have to take it out root and branch.
00:13:36.380We have to deconstruct the administrative state.
00:13:38.940We talked about that this morning, what the Supreme Court's doing on the legal side and at the Supreme Court.
00:13:43.200We're also going to do that with the Project 2025 and what AFPI is working on and American First Legal and what CRA and others about staffing up now.
00:13:55.180And, by the way, it's going to be a lot more than 3,000.
00:13:56.9603,000 are going to be political appointees.
00:14:11.880How about a Trump administration that really has Trump people in there?
00:14:14.880So all the 8 million consultants, their contracts should be eliminated the moment that President Trump's hand comes off the Bible, and that should all be restaffed.
00:14:41.520They're smart enough to be able to read the polling.
00:14:43.320They're smart enough to read the crosstabs.
00:14:45.400They're smart enough to know the direction of the country.
00:14:47.420And President Trump in building this massive coalition that's going to have a blowout massive win on Judgment Day, 5 November of this year.
00:18:27.320It may be outside of the neoliberal neocons, of which his mentor was John McCain.
00:18:35.760Jim Rickards, and by the way, later in the interview, he went on and said,
00:18:40.600we must take their assets, turn it into cash, the Russian people's assets, turn it into cash, and give it to the Ukraine to fund their war.
00:18:49.380Rickards, you've got the best geopolitical sense of anybody.
00:18:51.940Walk me through this madness, brother.
00:18:54.140Yeah, I guess 500,000 dead Ukrainians are not enough for Lindsey Graham.
00:18:59.700I don't know when he's going to stop counting, but maybe a million dead will think twice about what they're doing.
00:19:04.480I guess he had to wash the blood off his hands before he went on CBS.
00:19:07.040But he sounded like the way King Leopold would have talked about the Congo 150 years ago.
00:19:14.380They've got a lot of resources in the Congo.
00:19:16.320Well, they do, and they use slave labor and everything else to exploit them.
00:19:19.280So maybe that's what's in store for Ukraine.
00:20:37.080Everything he's done, he said in advance, this is what I'm going to do.
00:20:40.780When the CIA and MI6 were on the coup d'etat in 2014 and deposed a duly elected president of Ukraine and installed a puppet, Putin took Crimea.
00:20:52.180And as he said, you've crossed the red line and said, we're going to take Crimea.
00:20:55.420And then later when they attacked Russian populations in the Donbass, he said, we're going to come in and protect the Russian population, Russian-speaking population.
00:21:03.220But every step of the way, the U.S. has provoked the war.
00:21:07.120I mean, whether it's Tony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland – she's out of government now, but I'm sure she still has her hand in Hillary Clinton and others.
00:21:15.880But the reason they impeached Trump the first time was because he tried to put on the brakes a little bit, and they said, no, that's not good enough.
00:21:22.980But, Steve, you also referred to the other big event.
00:21:26.960I think Lindsey Graham might have mentioned this.
00:21:29.160And by the way, a lot of times the most important news of the day comes in like three-second segments that everybody overlooks.
00:21:36.960So I'll tell you what happened yesterday that I ranked it as the number one story, although I haven't seen it reported anywhere.
00:21:41.980So, you know, Biden's running around Europe, and he's mostly – well, he has dementia, but he has these lucid moments.
00:21:48.760If you really understand dementia, the sufferers do have occasional lucid moments.
00:21:54.680And a reporter – everyone was talking about, you know, Normandy and Reagan and all this stuff.
00:21:58.000But a reporter asked Biden, he said, in your meetings with Emmanuel Macron, who's president of France, did you discuss seizing Russian assets, and did you agree on a plan?
00:22:08.320And Biden said yes and yes, and he walked away.
00:22:12.860And it was that, like, sardonic, snarky, condescending tone that he strikes, but he meant what he said.
00:22:19.880So, in other words, they've agreed on the plan, and they're meeting on Thursday in Napoli, Italy.
00:22:55.960It was all worked out behind the scenes by the finance minister.
00:22:58.160Is this the official – is this the day – Jim, is this the day we will mark down years from now as really the technical ending of Bretton Woods?
00:23:07.280I know you argue, hey, it happened with Nixon.
00:23:09.500But when you start taking people's assets and do what you didn't do to the Nazis or Imperial Japan during WW2 or the Italians, are we crossing –
00:23:18.240whether it's $5 billion or they're just going to take the profits, they're just going to take the interest, it's just going to be from European banks.
00:23:23.800Are we crossing the Rubicon on the dollar as the prime reserve currency?
00:24:17.820This is where alternatives to that – you know, the new BRICS currency, which is still probably a few years away.
00:24:23.920But the biggest alternative, the one that's here today, has been around forever practically, that you can go to is gold.
00:24:30.280So, again, if the U.S. is stealing U.S. Treasury securities from someone who bought them legally, which is what we're doing, and you're a reserve manager for Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, all these countries have hundreds of billions, if not a trillion dollars or more of investments in the reserve positions, mainly in U.S. Treasury securities, and you watch this happen, you don't like Italian or German or Japanese bonds any better.
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00:31:15.600You're going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they've already breached the inaugural stuff that should we call the Capitol Police?
00:32:02.420We're talking about it still because the Democrats have spent three years and $20 million creating a narrative that Donald Trump was to blame for the events on January 6th, even though it was President Trump who tried to authorize the national troops that day and was rejected.
00:32:15.920So, why this footage of Nancy Pelosi taking responsibility for National Guard not being there on January 6th is explosive, but it's also infuriating for someone like me who got tied up in all this January 6th garbage.
00:32:29.300But, I mean, it was Nancy Pelosi who did not authorize the National Guard coming.
00:32:33.980And this is also why Nancy Pelosi, if you remember, blocked people like Jim Banks from being on the January 6th committee, because she knew then that if there was an actual January 6th committee that focused on why the Capitol was so unprotected that day, all roads would have led back to Nancy Pelosi, because as Speaker, it was her job to secure the Capitol.
00:32:52.960And for those of us who—thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans who attended a peaceful rally at the White House Ellipse, one of which I was involved in, we knew that there were hundreds of thousands of people showing up.
00:33:07.920You could tell every hotel room within 100 miles was fully booked.
00:33:12.160And so they knew that there was a tremendous amount of people coming.
00:33:14.760They knew those people were going to march.
00:33:16.660They act like it was some sort of fake or secret march.
00:33:18.920The RSVP website was called TrumpMarch.com.
00:33:22.960The background of Trump's speech was March to Save America.
00:33:26.720So what did they think everyone was going to do afterwards?
00:33:29.460They have spent the last three years gaslighting us and blaming us and blaming Donald Trump.
00:33:34.060And it is absolutely ridiculous, because for the left, they have used the court systems to attack our founding rights, undermine the rule of law, and erode our nation's most cherished principles and values.
00:33:44.480And really, I mean, not since the Red Scare has our country seen such a brazen attempt by elected officials to trample on the civil liberties of American citizens in order to expose and demonize their political adversaries.
00:33:57.140And at the end of the day, we can make no mistake about this.
00:34:00.160This was General Milley, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Susan Rice orchestrating a coup against the American people on January 6th.
00:34:07.460This is why when Donald Trump gets back in, we must have a Republican Senate.
00:34:12.400We must have a Congress, a Republican-led Congress, with an actual spine and an oversight committee chair who is willing to investigate and do the same thing, I would hope, to our enemies that they did to us.
00:34:24.020No, but I think it's got to be deeper.
00:34:27.860We've got to have – this is why kicking Banks and Jordan off, you have to have a committee that has a ranking member and a minority council.
00:34:47.740Is this what you're seeing here now, and you said it's a coup?
00:34:50.440Is this why McCabe and these people, AOC, McCabe, all these people are just frantic when they come on TV now saying, oh, these horrible things, I've got to leave the country?
00:35:01.020Is this why they're worried because they know – well, AOC is kind of irrelevant.
00:35:05.120But, I mean, McCabe and these folks, when he says they're having torturous conversations amongst themselves and with their family because they understand that the crimes they've committed?
00:35:18.060And, you know, I'm not – you're a better person than I am, Steve, because I don't think we should have Democrats on the committee when we come in.
00:35:25.840Like, the left have already said that they immediately – if they get their way and they get the House, Senate, and presidency, which would take them having to steal the election again, but let's not put it past them, they're immediately going to lift the filibuster.
00:35:36.560And pass all of this outrageous bills that they want to do, including legalizing 20 million citizens, they're going to add four Supreme Court justices to forever pack the court.
00:35:44.980They're going to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states to add four Supreme Court justices.
00:35:48.780And so we're going to go in and play by the rules?
00:36:03.300The media has been complicit in all of this as well, and so we have to have other outlets to be able to get this message out.
00:36:08.780But, you know, I don't – sure, we could throw a Democrat on the committee, I guess, but really, why?
00:36:16.040Are you saying that the media also, you want to get – you want to subpoena and get all their records, text messages, meetings, emails, conversations they had because they're part of this?
00:36:51.800I think that it is time to take back our government, truly, and I think that's what I'm hoping happens when Donald Trump gets back into office.
00:36:57.440This is why I don't think we need 51 senators.
00:37:00.160I think we need 54, and we need some good ones, such as Jim Banks, Carrie Lake, Bernie Moreno, others who are going to go in and not just go along with whatever their leadership says.
00:37:09.120And they are going to actually go in to fight and try to win here.
00:37:12.240We need a Speaker of the House who has the guts to enact all of this and to enact President Trump's agenda.
00:37:17.320But also, we do need to be looking backwards as to what had happened.
00:37:20.540So, perhaps we do – Bank of America turned over the credit card records of every single individual that made a transaction within 100 miles of D.C. on January 5th or 6th, absent any warrant.
00:37:30.720So, maybe perhaps they should do the same when looking – going back to the protests when they were burning down cities over George Floyd.
00:37:36.680Or who knows what's going to happen between now and the election.
00:37:38.960And if Donald Trump wins the election, I don't really suspect the Democrats will just go quietly into the night.
00:37:43.480So, ones that do, even if it's peacefully protests, then, yeah, perhaps all of their financial records should be turned over because that's what they did to us.
00:37:53.060By the way, Donald Trump is going to win, as you know.
00:38:00.640You saw in San Francisco last week David Sachs led a group of tech – of the guys in high tech.
00:38:07.820Are you noticing that among donors that they see the crosstabs and they see what's happening?
00:38:12.480I think it's Nate Silver saying today, and I believe it's in – I think it was the Washington Post that picked up a media-ite that the – Biden's numbers have hit an all-time low for approval.
00:38:24.080He's saying he's got to be removed from the ticket.
00:38:25.800Are you noticing Republican donors coming home?
00:38:29.480Republican donors have been coming home for a while now.
00:38:31.460But the largest time that I saw was during – after the – they came out with the 34 felony counts.
00:38:36.160My phone has never rang or gotten more text messages of donors I haven't heard for in years saying, how can I give?
00:39:42.600I mean, these are not people that play fair.
00:39:44.560These are not people that are acting fair.
00:39:46.280I am very nervous and concerned that I think that they will possibly remove Biden.
00:39:51.300I think that's why they moved the debate up before he actually accepts the nomination.
00:39:55.200And if you saw, they have this whole Ohio mishap where he somehow wasn't on the ballot.
00:40:00.000So all of a sudden, all the delegates in the Democratic Party are going to get together by Zoom to nominate Joe Biden ahead of the convention.
00:41:25.360You know, it's interesting that, Steve, a while back I was talking to you about how they were that Jenna Griswold said she would do away with all this.
00:41:36.360If I would just recant what I said on Facebook Live about these machines need to be more transparent to the people and not be designed what they to do, what they're designed to do.
00:41:46.660And when I wouldn't, she went to a judge, had me removed from office.
00:42:17.620Well, only thing thicker than the tax code are my grand jury transcripts.
00:42:22.600So, you know, they're going to try to put me in prison for implementing an investigation into the criminality of Jenna Griswold, who, by the way, deleted 29,000 election records, who we found there were 36 wireless devices in the equipment, the Mesa County equipment, and the ability to flip votes.
00:42:46.140We've actually, in Mesa County report number three that you can find on my website, it's never been debunked.