Kash Patel joins us from McConnell Air Force Base to talk about his new book, Plan Red. He also talks to us about why China is a threat to the United States and why we should be worried about it.
00:00:55.000We're back for the second hour of War Room.
00:00:57.000Kash Patel pinch hitting for the great Steve Bannon.
00:01:00.000And I have been trying to get my dear friend and our next guest on for some time.
00:01:04.000He is so busy just pounding the pavement and taking on the CCP and taking on the monster from Chinese mainland and taking on the issues of Taiwan.
00:01:48.000But Gordon, look, I keep up with almost everything you write.
00:01:53.000I basically borrow every one of my CCP policies from you.
00:01:58.000What's at the fore – and by the way, War Room, Gordon Chang is going to talk to us at the end of the segment about his brilliant new book coming out, Plan Red.
00:02:12.000What should the world be worried about?
00:02:14.000The world right now should be worried that Xi Jinping wants to start a war.
00:02:19.000Now, I can't say that he has made the decision to go to war, but I can say that he's made the decision to risk war.
00:02:26.000And he's risking war with American treaty allies, which means he is at this moment prepared to kill Americans.
00:02:34.000And unfortunately, we have a regime in Beijing, but also one in Washington right now that is not willing to have an honest conversation with the American people.
00:02:46.000Xi Jinping talks about going to war all the time.
00:02:49.000But Joe Biden will not have a candid conversation about China's plans with the American people.
00:02:55.000And that means Biden is abrogating his most solemn constitutional duty, which is to protect the American people from foreign attack.
00:03:04.000And so when it comes to foreign attacks, Gordon, what do you think is some of the ones that are most pressing?
00:03:11.000You know, people think foreign attacks.
00:03:12.000And I think for my counterterrorism days, you know, over, you know, explosive style attacks.
00:03:17.000But in terms of the CCP in China, what have they been doing that we've missed?
00:03:26.000You know, we've got assaults on the United States from all perspectives.
00:03:31.000So, for instance, we've got political warfare.
00:03:34.000You know, in 2020, Beijing leaned very heavily on Joe Biden's side.
00:03:39.000They supported Biden during the Democratic Party primaries over Bernie Sanders.
00:03:44.000And in the general election, they went all in on Biden.
00:03:47.000And they were actually able to cast the decisive vote in November of 2020 because through their misinformation, disinformation campaigns, they really tilted the election.
00:04:00.000They're doing the same thing now, though a little bit more subtle this time because they've been warned.
00:04:06.000But the point is they are still using TikTok, for instance, to amplify these anti-Trump videos.
00:04:13.000And we're seeing increased activity on the part of their social media platforms.
00:04:19.000They're probably pouring money into Kamala Harris's campaign like they poured money into Joe Biden's campaign in 2020.
00:04:27.000In 2020, we knew what they were doing.
00:04:29.000This time, I'm sure they're going to do the same thing.
00:04:34.000And by the way, we have got these Chinese saboteurs in our country and they are waiting to strike.
00:04:40.000With the increase in Chinese migrants coming across our southern and northern borders, we are seeing increased tempo of incursions into military bases.
00:04:50.000And that means they're planning an attack on our facilities on American soil.
00:04:56.000Can we just pick up on a couple, maybe get into a little deeper on a couple of those points?
00:05:00.000When you said there's Chinese nationals coming in through our border, both the south and the southern border and the northern border, I don't think many Americans are focused on that part of the illegal immigration.
00:05:12.000And then you touched upon the impacts of it and what they're planning.
00:05:15.000But you also talked about how the Chinese, the CCP, helped fund portions of the Biden campaign.
00:05:24.000And then we'll flip back to the border in 2020.
00:05:27.000On China supporting the Biden campaign financially in 2020, what they did was they funneled small contributions through ActBlue, which was their website.
00:05:37.000And many of these contributions came from abroad and they were too small to run down.
00:05:44.000I don't know if they're doing that this election cycle, but I wouldn't be surprised because we have seen heightened activity by the Communist Party's United Front Work Department.
00:05:55.000That's the part of the Communist Party that subverts foreign governments.
00:05:58.000And they've been very active in two states in particular.
00:06:01.000One of them, of course, is Minnesota, where Tim Walz, as governor, has had continuous contact with the front department organizations.
00:06:11.000And also, of course, in New York State, we had the Linda Sun issue.
00:06:52.000And when it comes to the border and sort of maybe you can explain the approach that the CCP takes into getting illegal Chinese nationals into America versus, say, a lot of the Latin American, South American countries and how they're operating versus, say, how some of the terrorist organizations are operating.
00:07:12.000Because I don't think many people have the focus on what the CCP is doing long term and long range.
00:07:19.000And they're using the same tools to invade our country illegally.
00:07:22.000And then what are they doing once they get here?
00:07:25.000We have a southern and a northern border problem.
00:07:28.000At the southern border, you know, there have been a lot of Chinese migrants.
00:07:37.000But the composition of Chinese migrants has changed over the last two years.
00:07:42.000Now we're seeing packs of Chinese males coming in groups of five to 15 of military age, traveling without family members and who are single.
00:07:51.000Some of them pretend not to speak English.
00:07:53.000U.S. Border Patrol knows that some of them have links to the Chinese military.
00:08:01.000And as I mentioned, once we've seen this surge of Chinese males, we've also had the surge of Chinese intrusions into our military base.
00:08:09.000And in addition, there's the Chinese secret biological weapons facility in Reedley, California, that was discovered by that alert building inspector.
00:08:19.000Inside, they found pathogens, at least 20 pathogens, including the ones for Ebola.
00:08:25.000Ebola, by the way, is being weaponized at the Wuhan Institute of Virology as we speak.
00:08:31.000In nature, it has a 50 percent fatality rate.
00:08:34.000So clearly, the Chinese are planning to spread disease in our country as one of the first acts in a war against us.
00:10:20.000I mean, that seems like a critical national security issue that this Harris and Biden administration is just intentionally failing to lock down on.
00:10:30.000We've got a couple of minutes left in this block.
00:10:32.000And I said, Gordon, I'd love to hold you over to the next one if you can.
00:10:39.000When it comes to the impact of everything you just talked about, has the Harris-Biden administration done enough for anything to counterman the CCP buying up all this farmland around the country?
00:10:50.000Or has it been left to state governors?
00:10:52.000Or has it just kind of not been handled?
00:11:00.000It's basically up to state governors to do this.
00:11:03.000And we've got legislation, for instance, in the state that I'm in, Kansas.
00:11:08.000But this is not something coordinated by the president himself.
00:11:14.000And the president has the power to do this.
00:11:16.000He has executive authority, which we know he's used vigorously in so many different cases.
00:11:21.000He should be using this because we know the Chinese have been buying land near military facilities.
00:11:27.000They've also been using land in the state next to me right now, which is Oklahoma, where China's nationals have been basing human trafficking operations on farmland.
00:11:39.000And as a local resident told me, the Chinese have a fence around their property.
00:11:44.000Well, that's no big deal because everybody in Oklahoma has a fence.
00:11:47.000But the fences Americans put up are to keep people out and off their property.
00:11:52.000The Chinese are building fences to keep people in.
00:11:56.000And that is something which just is a warning sign.
00:11:59.000Also, there are so many illegal marijuana grows, especially in Oklahoma and in Maine.
00:12:05.000And those have been allowed to continue.
00:12:08.000Those have attracted triad opportunities and triad crimes, including mass murders of opposing gangs.
00:12:16.000So basically, you know, our country has enough crime, but we're importing a lot of crime from our southern border.
00:12:23.000Is there is there something, you know, from your opinion that the presidential candidates in this election cycle could be focused on?
00:12:32.000I know you said it's a big, you know, state governor decision, governor responsibility.
00:12:37.000But is there something a president could do to countermand the negative effects this is having in America?
00:12:45.000So to say, I'm shutting it down and these are some executive orders I can leverage or sanctions or I don't know, I'm just making stuff up.
00:12:52.000But is there anything a president could do?
00:12:54.000Is there anything, you know, Biden and Harris could be doing?
00:12:57.000Is there something Trump should do when he comes in on this?
00:13:00.000Oh, there's so much to be done across the board.
00:13:03.000But if we're focusing just on property, I mean, what we should be doing is taking, for instance, the CFIUS rules.
00:13:10.000That's the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. and tightening them so that Chinese nationals can't buy land in our country.
00:13:17.000Just as reciprocal. Americans can't buy land in China.
00:13:43.000We should be cutting technical cooperation.
00:13:45.000There's all sorts of things that we have to get at because we're funding China's attacks on our society.
00:13:51.000China could not maintain its attacks on America if it didn't have American money.
00:13:56.000And the president of the United States can cut that off.
00:13:59.000President Trump started on that road with the tariffs.
00:14:02.000There's so many things that can be done.
00:14:04.000And the president, sorry, we're going to hold you over, but real quick in 30 seconds.
00:14:09.000So the president could turn off the Chinese financial ability via CFIUS?
00:14:15.000Well, first of all, I can stop Chinese investment into the United States by tightening those rules and basically preventing dangerous, very dangerous investments that the Chinese have been making.
00:14:28.000Buying up our technology, buying up our farm and ranch land, you name it, cash.
00:14:33.000Wow. That whole segment has been just so enlightening.
00:14:38.000And I hope the War Room Posse pushes it out.
00:14:39.000Gordon, if you could stay on the other side of this thing, I want to dive into your book.
00:18:34.000Yeah, the Chinese are coming across the northern border.
00:18:37.000In February, U.S. Border Patrol caught three Chinese migrants coming in.
00:18:42.000What was ominous about this was that there were Chinese nationals on our side of the border who were obviously there by prearrangement who were there to help those people sneaking in.
00:18:53.000Now, Kesh, if you want to live in a free society so you decide to come into the U.S. and file an asylum claim, the first thing you do is you surrender to Border Patrol because, in addition to everything else, you get a debit card from New York City.
00:19:09.000Well, these guys wanted to come in undetected, which means that their purposes were nefarious.
00:19:14.000And that means we got a problem at our northern border in Maine and from Canada as well as our southern border.
00:19:21.000Wow. So they're putting the squeeze play on from top and bottom and on top of everything else we talked about, the land, cyber.
00:19:29.000And so we really need a full we, America, need a top to bottom commander in chief who's going to take that on.
00:19:35.000And obviously, I think that's Donald Trump.
00:19:37.000But you mentioned a couple of other bad actors and I want to touch about this.
00:19:40.000You know, we brought up TikTok and the posse is super familiar with how that has been handled and what's coming up.
00:19:47.000But I did see an interesting article and the House Intelligence Committee, all of the Republicans on it, signed a letter essentially demanding a briefing and maybe an investigation from both the FBI and SEC on a company called PDD or Timu.
00:20:02.000And I know there's no better person to ask than you. I bring that one up singularly. But are there other companies the CCP is using?
00:20:10.000And can you comment on that and this article that came out with the House Intel letter just the other week?
00:20:17.000Yeah. Timu is the retailer that brings in goods under $800 to avoid the tariffs.
00:20:25.000And his parent, Pin Du Du, is under investigation.
00:20:30.000And they're under investigation because what they've been taking is the data that they obtain when people use their site and they're shipping it off to the party, Communist Party.
00:20:43.000Now, that happens with every Chinese company. And the reason is that whether a company is owned by the state or it's owned by private investors, it is subject to the will of the Communist Party, which demands complete obedience.
00:20:58.000No Chinese entity can disobey a demand from the party. And in addition to that, China's 2017 national intelligence law requires every Chinese national and every Chinese entity to spy if it receives a demand from the authorities.
00:21:14.000And so this is the this is the core of the concern from the Republicans in the House.
00:21:23.000And it's obviously something we need to look at because we think that China is sort of organized like us, you know, that private actors can get to do what they want.
00:21:32.000Well, no, that's not the case. Every person, every entity in China must comply with demands from the Communist Party.
00:21:41.000Wow. And I didn't really know too much about the depth of this before talking to folks like you who are so well versed in it.
00:21:48.840But this app, Timu PDD, it's the most downloaded app in North America.
00:21:53.140So it's bigger than like Amazon and Google and Facebook, which is just crazy to me.
00:21:57.960So just think about how much data the CCP is mining and what else they're doing with it, what other companies there are.
00:22:04.160So I'm glad the House Intel is on this and hopefully the FBI and SEC complies and Gordon will keep coming back to you as more of these more of these companies come up and more of these efforts to countermand them come up.
00:22:16.100But I know. And now we've got a few minutes at least.
00:22:20.360We've got three, four minutes to talk about your great new book.
00:22:23.320If you haven't read Gordon's work, Laura Mampasi, you need to post it all over the place right now.
00:22:27.220But luckily for us, if you've enjoyed our conversation and the CCP, in my opinion, is the greatest combination adversarial threat America faces.
00:22:37.720Gordon Chang has outlined this brilliant new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
00:22:42.980Pretty simple title because that's what they're doing.
00:22:45.540Gordon, can you tell us about the book and what made you write the book and what people are going to find in it?
00:22:50.940Yeah. What I was concerned about is that a lot of people just view China in benign terms.
00:22:57.020And it's throughout our political system, Republicans, Democrats, liberals and conservatives.
00:23:01.880So I wanted to lay out just some of the very fundamental points.
00:23:05.480And one of them is that the Communist Party has declared a people's war on America.
00:23:09.900They did that in May 2019 when People's Daily, the most authoritative publication in China, published a landmark editorial.
00:23:18.520So this is the position of the Communist Party.
00:23:21.720People's war has a meaning for the communists, and that is total war.
00:23:27.720We know it's total war because a Chinese military publication this year very helpfully explained what was the meaning behind people's war.
00:23:38.520So clearly this is an existential struggle.
00:23:40.780And it's an existential struggle, Cash, not because of anything that we say or do, but it's because of who we are.
00:23:47.340You have an insecure regime in Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's values and form of governance on the Chinese people.
00:23:57.040So the Communist Party feels it will never be safe as long as the United States exists, which means it is out to destroy the United States.
00:24:05.460And that's, for instance, when people talk about fentanyl, we have to understand that this is a project run by the Communist Party to kill Americans.
00:24:13.820Seventy-five thousand Americans each year die from doses of illegal Chinese fentanyl.
00:24:19.320Those are murders, and we have to look at it in that context, because if we don't, we won't do anything effective about it.
00:24:26.460And so your book goes into all this, and then maybe if you can, I don't want to give the whole book away, but if you can give us another angle into your book, into the CCP that you're looking at.
00:24:39.160And then please also tell everyone where they can order this great book.
00:24:43.040Everyone in the war room posse needs to order this immediately and get the word out, because I think it's releasing very shortly here, and we can use it on the campaign trail, because you have the premier mind on the CCP pouring out his knowledge into these pages.
00:25:01.080China's assault on American society is every facet.
00:25:04.280And just to give you an example, the Ministry of State Security, in the form of Christine Fong, first contacted Eric Swalwell, the 15th Congressional District in California, not when he was on the House Intelligence Committee, which we just talked about, where, of course, he would be of great value to China.
00:25:23.560They first contacted him when he was on the City Council of Dublin City, California.
00:25:28.920And that means he cannot have been the only American who was being groomed.
00:25:33.500This is not to say that Swalwell did anything, but it is to show how pervasive China's efforts are, because there have to be hundreds of Swalwells, which means there have to be hundreds, if not thousands, of Christine Fongs from the Ministry of State Security.
00:25:47.460And we know about Tim Walz, who is now governor of Minnesota, could very well be vice president of the United States, could very well be president of the United States.
00:25:57.880He has had extensive contacts with the Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which means that we could have a communist sympathizer or a fellow traveler at the heart of the American political system, sitting in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.
00:26:14.840Unbelievable. Gordon, thank you so much.
00:26:17.200Where can everybody follow you, and where can everybody order this book?
00:26:20.420And everybody needs to order it today.