Trump picks Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be the next Health and Human Services Secretary. Breaking News coverage from former Obama White House Policy Director, MSNBC Medical Contributor, Dr. Kavita Patel, and former CDC Director of Vaccination and Immunization Studies, Nicole Swart.
00:00:00.560Sources tell NBC News that the president-elect, Donald Trump, is expected to pick Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
00:00:11.840Trump had previously promised RFK a, quote, big role after RFK abandoned his independent bid for president and endorsed Donald Trump.
00:00:20.440The New York Times describes him like this as a, quote, environmental lawyer who has no medical or public health degrees and has promoted anti-vaccine conspiracies for years, end quote.
00:00:32.640Regarding the Food and Drug Administration, the agency that is responsible for the safety of our prescriptions, vaccines, cosmetics, our food, even veterinary medicine, an agency that would be under his purview, RFK has said that, quote, entire departments have to go.
00:00:50.440Let's bring into our breaking news coverage former Obama White House policy director, MSNBC medical contributor, Dr. Kavita Patel.
00:01:01.120Oh, my God. I mean, those of us who have spent our, like, lifetime kind of decades working in and around in HHS, I'm not kidding, Nicole.
00:01:09.820My texts are flying off the chain, both Democrats and Republicans, saying this can't be real.
00:01:14.600Someone must have gotten this wrong. This can't be possible.
00:01:17.480And now the second underlying chain, there's some silver linings.
00:01:20.820The second thought I had is he can't get confirmed, can he?
00:01:23.820But I'm just listening to you talk about the DNI and all these other roles that require some sort of White House or confirmation or some combination.
00:01:35.960There are career staff texting me saying this was just the push they needed to try to get out.
00:01:40.580They were already on the fence and worried.
00:01:43.160We're not just going to see this incredible kind of, you know, integration of ideology that has no science behind it.
00:01:51.080But, Nicole, we're going to see probably the best of the best career staff leave, leaving these agencies potentially hollow that he would oversee.
00:01:58.960What are your issues specifically with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as HHS secretary?
00:02:04.460We understand he's completely and totally unqualified as it relates to protecting the health, the safety and the well-being of the American people.
00:02:13.300We have a lot of challenges emerging from the pandemic.
00:02:16.500We need serious folks with a serious background and serious expertise.
00:02:23.040Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is, of course, none of the above.
00:02:27.020Just for people that aren't familiar with how HHS interacts with the medical community and people's lives, just take us through a little bit of that, if you will.
00:02:36.580Yeah, so the Secretary of Health and Human Services, as you mentioned, has a purview over many agencies that touch our lives.
00:02:43.260You just touched on a couple of them, Food and Drug Administration, the CDC, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
00:02:49.360You may, like, kind of know these letters as we've talked about all vaccines and things during COVID, but it touches everything.
00:02:58.620When we had a supply chain shortage of baby formula, this hits a lot of people at home because none of the shelves could keep the formula stocked.
00:03:06.800It's the HHS secretary who kind of pulled it all together and worked with other departments to try to make sure that we could get Americans' formula just to feed their children.
00:03:23.560And I actually pulled up, just to remind myself, a tweet from RFK Jr. when he was running for president where he said that if he were president, I guess, thank goodness he's not, he'd stop research on drug development and infectious diseases for eight years.
00:03:38.040So anything that you do in the medical community, and then let me tell you where it hits home.
00:03:42.720During COVID, you and I have talked about the Medical Reserve Corps and the Public Health Service Agency, all the people who actually help to facilitate getting vaccines across the country, getting COVID tests across the country, that's under HHS as well.
00:03:57.420So anything from a safety net clinic to the medicines that you trust are safe, that is now potentially going to be under this environmental lawyer with no training whatsoever and very dangerous views.
00:04:12.420And I trust my pediatrician with that.
00:04:14.980RFK has criticized childhood vaccination schedules, linked vaccines to autism and other health issues against studies.
00:04:22.640CDC Director Rochelle Walensky warned in 2022 that vaccine misinformation is one of the biggest threats to children's health.
00:04:31.880In the sort of pickled community of anti-vax disinformation, there are people that refuse vaccines and there are outbreaks of polio and measles in this country, diseases that were once thought eradicated.
00:04:47.620What should people watching do if they have young kids?
00:04:50.740I do think that if there is any solace, it's what you just said, that as doctors, we're trained.
00:05:00.080I know that we've talked about doctors in many states not being allowed to talk about certain issues.
00:05:05.020I really hope and pray that vaccines and public health do not become another set of issues in addition to reproductive and women's health.
00:05:12.020But right now, your pediatricians, your primary care doctors, they have your best interest.
00:05:16.500They treat you in front of them, and they're not worried about the politics.
00:05:19.520In fact, I bet most of my medical colleagues don't even realize what's happening because they're doing what they should be doing and taking care of people.
00:05:27.000So I do think that it's worth just having that direct conversation with your pediatrician.
00:05:32.280And I also do encourage people to look at the evidence.
00:05:34.220I do not try to dismiss people when they talk to me about concerns about vaccines, but it's worth bringing back up that initial study that has been since debunked and refuted.
00:05:43.740And, in fact, journals have retracted any of the mentions, not because they're afraid, but because we want to put good science forward.
00:05:51.080And, Nicole, I'm all for telling you that we could probably do things differently.
00:05:54.920I know that I've talked with my own pediatrician, with my children, about do we need to do all of these vaccines in this one visit?
00:08:54.920He knew where he could do the most good for the country, and that was through Donald Trump.
00:08:59.560He made a very intelligent choice, and I think there's no sector, obviously, in which he's more qualified to assist the country, to assist the mandate that the American people have spoken, and that's through health.
00:09:31.040He wants to correct it, and I think make America healthy again is a precondition to make America great again, and so I think it's an exceptional choice.
00:09:57.820Well, they're terrified, and I have to say they're terrified across the board, but I don't think anything compares to the seismic reaction to the Matt Gaetz appointment.
00:10:10.920I mean, if you want to—this is how you want the corrupt, filthy, and criminal system to react to an appointment.
00:10:19.140They all know they're guilty, and they all know what's coming.
00:10:23.460You know, saying the DOJ, this is the epicenter of the swamp in many ways because, yes, there's been malfeasance across the board, across the bureaucracies.
00:10:33.240But in the case, you know, you kind of expect the intelligence world to be dirty.
00:10:39.560We just want them to be dirty for once on behalf of American interests.
00:10:46.400But the justice system, you know, this gets to the core of our self-conception as Americans, is that we're a country governed by the rule of law, by a fair system.
00:11:01.080And that has been eroded to the very core by Biden, by Harris, by the corrupt cronies, by Obama.
00:11:12.600They have absolutely plundered the justice system to the point that that core beacon of legitimacy that we used to think defines us in contradistinction to the rest of the world no longer is there.
00:11:27.520And it was the first time is only when the justice system itself became corrupted that you started to hear this term banana republic referring to the United States.
00:11:38.080That's why I think in the massive and absolutely critical swamp draining operation, the most important is the one at justice.
00:11:48.920And as I've said before, there's no person more fitting, more suited, both in terms of intelligence, capability and personal understanding than Matt Gaetz to do this.
00:12:01.340And, you know, don't take my word for it.
00:12:03.580Take the word of all the corrupt, filth, criminal trash, how they're reacting to this.
00:12:13.080And that says everything you need to know.
00:12:15.000Before I let you bounce, you also had a great piece the other day.
00:12:20.280We haven't had a chance to get to it about Scott Besson at Treasury.
00:12:30.560And, you know, I think one of the things that distinguishes this time around from last time is, yeah, the last time there were some exceptional people, you know, I would hope, you know, us included.
00:12:42.280But Trump went after the entire system and basically every institution in the world was actuated against him.
00:12:50.800And when he won, it was like there was a choice between people to a large degree whose heart was in the right place but didn't know how to navigate the system and ultimately got smothered by the system.
00:13:02.520And the alternative would be system people who are not with the agenda.
00:13:07.000I think the Venn diagram of the overlap between people whose heart is in the right place, who are loyal to the agenda, who are interested in implementing the mandate and the people who have the capability and understanding of the system.
00:13:21.760That Venn diagram, the intersection is bigger.
00:13:24.760And I think Scott Besson is certainly someone who stands very prominently in that intersection as someone with an exceptional career in finance, masterminded, one of the greatest, most legendary trades in history, understands the currencies, understands the markets, the things you need to navigate, not just to make the country rich,
00:13:43.860but also the things you need to understand where the pressure points are because people forget the dollar and our economy is increasingly a tool of geopolitics that needs to be used intelligently.
00:13:56.280Otherwise, we're going to undermine ourself.
00:13:59.960Maybe equally, if not more important, after Trump has taken down one foe after another, one of the people standing that remains to be dealt with is Powell, the Fed chair, with whom Trump has had a contentious relationship.
00:14:15.080And I think by far, Besson is the most capable in terms of assisting Trump in navigating whatever Powell has in mind.
00:14:23.300So those are just some of the reasons.
00:20:23.000We're going to need to pick up some Dems.
00:20:25.040I mean, that's the key is I think with RFK, I think it's really interesting, and I've heard about some of their plans on making America healthy again.
00:20:32.460And I think there's going to be a very sort of big—
00:20:36.840I think that kind of is where we land on moving forward.
00:20:40.580And I think Republicans are going to really have to focus on the results, move very quickly in the House and Senate to pass the agenda, to begin selling President Trump's magna agenda to the voters.
00:21:08.500They're going to—everything's in coordination with President Trump's team and the Speaker in the House, and everything's going to work out on that front.
00:21:14.640And it's all going to be in sync, and it will move very quickly, especially with the vacancies.
00:21:22.18090 days by law in New York State at the latest, not by 70.
00:21:27.160Young man, you did an amazing job in working to get this majority, to hold the majority, and also to nail it every step of the way, what we're going to get.
00:21:37.240Where do people get you on social media, brother?
00:21:39.840I'm at DeGrasse81 on X, DeGrasse, at DeGrasse on Getter.
00:21:44.060I will say, Steve, I don't know if you were playing Fox or NBC because I'm on the phone, but not only did they outspend us, I mean, these guys probably outspend like four to one in many areas.
00:21:53.020And I'm telling you, we have to, as a party, really dig deep.
00:22:21.060We'll come back on and talk about the sophisticated 4-D chess political warfare of the radical Democrats and their big money donors on Wall Street in Silicon Valley.
00:23:18.040And, you know, with any incredible gift, I think a lot of caution has to be displayed, a lot of discipline.
00:23:27.940And, you know, I hope that the leadership and all the people aligning with leadership really think about that, that the most important thing is to carry this incredible alliance safely, you know, into and through the inauguration and not, as a friend of mine said, quite perceptively spike the football, you know, prematurely.
00:23:51.480But to your point, I cannot, I cannot believe this day has come.
00:23:57.620It is such a historic, important day that someone with a distinction and background and depth of knowledge of RFK Jr., who is from one of the most storied legacy Democratic families in American history,
00:24:14.340has joined forces formally with MAGA, with President Trump, with this constellation of great talents that's kind of aligning with President Trump.
00:24:24.040It means more than just quite a huge thing that the scourge of pharma, pharma's impunity and the scourge of pharma's criminality is going to be in charge of HHS,
00:24:35.680which is where all the money gets dispensed and which oversees the FDA and where all the crimes got committed.
00:24:45.380And that's why we have to be so disciplined and so careful of why the leadership does all these talented people,
00:24:52.580all these aspiring people kind of hovering around the transition right now.
00:24:57.940It could really mean the solidifying of a realignment of patriots on the left, in the center, on the right, you know,
00:25:07.940making kind of policy and ideology and labels secondary to, you know, our heartfelt desire to do our best to save our country.
00:25:16.460And more than to save our country, literally, to save the culture of our country, right, the culture of freedom, the culture of transparency.
00:25:25.280I mean, having RFK Jr. in charge of HHS is about a culture, you know, going back to the actual science, right?
00:26:04.380But again, again, I'm sorry to always be Cassandra, right?
00:26:08.680But that's how you successfully move a giant ship, you know, through a narrow passage into, you know, a beautiful open ocean heading in the right direction.
00:26:21.000Everyone needs to kind of calm down and write important messages, letters to the American people in The Washington Post, in The New York Times.
00:26:33.660There's all this incredibly exciting furore of appointments, and people are processing them.
00:26:41.340But they're coming at us in a bitty way, and no one seems to be in charge, or no one that I can tell, is telling a coherent story to explain to the American people what each of these things means, to put it in context.
00:26:57.960It's a little light in the comms department.
00:31:32.040Why do our bettors, why are they melting down about RFK and what RFK stands for and the direction he wants to take the country as we make America healthy?
00:31:46.860Well, if you look at the org chart for HHS, it explains a lot of why this is such an extraordinary kind of why their heads are exploding, right?
00:32:02.460But it also, it was the vehicle of the lockdowns.
00:32:06.460It was through HHS that emergency laws were declared and perpetrated on Americans.
00:32:13.140It was through HHS that people showed up in your town board or your school board to, you know, mask your child.
00:32:20.040It was through HHS that all of the restrictions of freedom were justified, you know, that we lived through in the lockdowns.
00:32:28.720And it's also under the umbrella of HHS that all of the crimes were committed that the War Room and Daily Cloud have uncovered in these two years of going through the Pfizer documents.
00:32:41.460So the FDA is now under RFK Jr.'s leadership.
00:32:46.540I'm sorry, I can't help laughing with joy when I say that sentence.
00:32:50.060Of course, the FDA was the evil non-custodian of our health and well-being and food supply and pharmaceutical supply that waved through 450,000 documents that the posse made it possible for us to analyze and that revealed the greatest crime against humanity ever, you know, in the Pfizer papers.
00:33:32.240And the CDC was also unbelievably corrupt.
00:33:35.820The CDC was also an arm of what restricted our liberties and what lied to us about the injection and what advocated for illegal mandates.
00:33:46.640And so and also what what mishandled government data.
00:33:52.260I mean, one of our colleagues, Henry Ely, Dr. Ely showed that the CDC was illegally farming out government health data, which is your property, to nonprofits that were being tasked with kind of using it to hide bad truths that the CDC wasn't able to hide themselves.
00:34:13.960So now RFK Jr., who understands the nature of those crimes, is going to be in charge of all of those records and in charge of the messaging.
00:34:21.840You know, never again, as long as he's in charge of HHS, are you going to see the CDC lie to you as they did about safe and effective, safe and effective, you know, the lies on their website to this day that we've exposed here on this show with the Posse's help about, you know, maybe the injection will give you a little fever or pain at the injection site.
00:34:44.160OK, OK. But hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. You're going to you're going to have access to this.
00:34:49.620Are you going to do a formal presentation of everything that the War Room Posse working under Amy Kelly's guidance has done for Daily Cloud?
00:34:58.020You know, the Pfizer papers, all of it. Are you going to go prepare? You're going to walk through the entire thing, understanding he knows this, but kind of systematically go through?
00:35:05.420Because, look, there has to be accountability. If we don't have accountability, we can't go forward.
00:35:10.620You have to find out. You have to go through what they did, how they did it.
00:35:14.860I mean, this goes to the whole global thing of, you know, Geneva and the World Health Organization.
00:35:19.120Understand something, folks. None of that's operative anymore.
00:35:22.280You got RFK. You got Matt Gaetz. You have some hammers.
00:35:26.200And President Trump's always very focused on this. All the concern we had about the World Health Organization.
00:35:30.560You got Stefanik. Let me tell you about Elise Stefanik.
00:35:33.480Like, she's just not going to New York to tear up that clown show in New York or the U.N.
00:35:39.100She's very focused on Geneva, the engine room of the United Nations, and particularly the World Health Organization.
00:35:44.700She's got massive investigations. Our money's going to stop going.
00:35:48.260They want to know where our cash went before, who stole it, and what they've been doing under the name of the United States of America.
00:35:53.700But are you going to go, Naomi, to sit down with Kennedy and walk him through all the sins of Fauci?
00:35:59.920Can I say now Fauci would put his head on a pike? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:36:04.580Dr. Fauci, I didn't mean it. I know you're all worried about your security.
00:36:09.060Hey, dude, yo, when Matt Gaetz is attorney general and RFK is head of HHS, that's when I really think you ought to get some, not security, you ought to lawyer up, brother.
00:36:20.300Well, the other agency that RFK Jr. is now in charge of is NIH, and so all the conflicts of interest that he was able to identify from the outside, he's now going to be able to look into Dr. Fauci's file, essentially, look at his payment records, look at his royalty statements, and see every crime that was committed there.
00:36:43.140And really importantly for the state of science in America, NIH funds, you know, what, 80, 90 percent of the research in the United States at universities.
00:36:53.360And he's going to make sure that it's clean research and not dirty research and not illegal research like the kind we've seen with the Wuhan lab.
00:37:02.420Yes, if RFK Jr. calls me and Amy Kelly, I will, we will go and we will present him with our beautiful book that the Posse and you made possible, the Pfizer papers, and we'll create a presentation and walk him through the key points that we found.
00:37:18.440But it's my understanding that Senator Johnson is actively spearheading an effort to dig into what we found and what other independent researchers have found in terms of the crimes committed by Pfizer through the FDA and that he's leading the charge on that.
00:37:37.200And I'm sure he can see more about where he's at with that.
00:37:39.580Naomi, did you ever envision, when you started asking questions about all this back in, I guess, 2020, that it would end up four years later or four and a half years later with RFK?
00:37:58.020Did Donald Trump would have just won a massive landslide bringing all types of ethnicities and working groups together and that RFK would be announced as his secretary of health and human services and that you either would go work over there or have some sort of role in shaping the direction of all this going forward?
00:38:19.800In a billion years, could you have ever envisioned that?
00:38:22.180I mean, no, not projecting at normal human eye level, but if you read enough history, you see that there are bizarre, imponderable reversals that, I mean, Shakespeare was really good, right, on the bizarre, imponderable reversals in human history.
00:38:49.300And sometimes you think the winners will win forever and the God or the universe or providence just turns everything upside down.
00:38:58.480And the people who stood fast and fought the good fight and tried to save lives, you know, get put in a position of absolute leadership.
00:39:06.840The only thing I would say, and I know you don't like it when I do this, but, you know, I am a Jewish lady and we just believe in, you know, don't celebrate till you're over the finish line.
00:39:19.360So I'm very happy, but I will party after inauguration, right?
00:39:24.420I just think we've got to steer straight ahead and include.
00:39:27.360No, no, this is, yeah, this is seize the institutions now and close these deals.
00:39:33.120Hey, there's a lot of rough water just to get confirmations.
00:39:36.800There's going to be more rough water to seize the institutions, particularly HHS, the Fauci-laden, you know, the Fauci-infested HHS.
00:39:45.660So, no, this, and then once you get in to implement what you're going to do, it's going to be a gale force headwind.
00:40:07.860You know, if you hadn't let me come on your show two years ago, plus after I was completely silenced, none of the Pfizer documents work we've all done together with the Posse would have been possible.
00:40:22.600So, you know, I really want to thank you.
00:40:24.280And also, it's really nice that you're not in prison anymore.
00:40:26.980I'm really glad that you're back helping America figure out what's happening and what they need to do next.
00:40:33.340That's an incredibly joyful thing that we can all celebrate.
00:40:55.320I think everyone needs to really take a moment and celebrate where we're at.
00:41:00.480It doesn't mean, you know, we're out of the woods.
00:41:02.480But just look at what human beings did, you know, with their own agency.
00:41:07.400I think we've really got to feel that power we have that we spent the last two, two and a half years.
00:41:12.600All of us, everyone watching, you know, everyone who sent in $5, everyone who made a phone call, we all didn't give up.
00:41:19.340And now, you know, there's this beautiful set of victories that allows us the possibility to redeem our nation and our well-being and our health, our kids.
00:44:37.800I think that the idea of authoritarian, the authoritarian promise is that everything shrivels in government other than the will of the leader.
00:44:50.680So you don't necessarily put a Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in charge of HHS because you're hoping for great things from HHS.
00:45:02.000I mean, Matt Gaetz, among all the other things we can say about Matt Gaetz, he has explicitly proposed abolishing the Justice Department.
00:45:09.060Not specifically just abolishing the FBI and the ATF, but talking about abolishing the Justice Department.
00:45:16.740I mean, Tulsi Gabbard, as the director of national intelligence, is, I mean, the idea that Tulsi Gabbard, in a normal circumstance, could get a security clearance to be like a Walmart-style greeter at any U.S. intelligence agency, let alone get past the security barriers, is insane.
00:45:38.420So you do that because you want the worst for these agencies, because you want the worst for the U.S. government, because you think that the U.S. government is worthless.
00:45:47.100That's part of consolidating power, to make the U.S. government nothing other than the leader and people who will do what he says.
00:45:54.280And there not being any repository of expertise, let alone, you know, just general day-to-day know-how anywhere.
00:46:02.760So it's a sort of, I mean, as Steve Bannon used to say, it's a sort of Leninist project, right?
00:46:10.080This is the cabinet that you nominate to, not to run the U.S. government to do anything, but to destroy the U.S. government so that the U.S. government can be fundamentally reimagined as something much more like a unitary, authoritarian, or autocratic, for lack of a better term, system.
00:46:29.340So, deconstruct the administrative state, ma'am.
00:46:45.420She served over in, I don't know, outside of Syria or wherever we send the army today.
00:46:50.520So she has a security clearance, ma'am, and it has nothing to do with Walmart.
00:46:55.860And if I was you, ma'am, I would watch what you say about people.
00:47:00.660When you go after and smear someone who's put their life on the line, when you've done nothing, you sat on your ass up there at your big house in Connecticut, you know, with your friends and your elitist.
00:48:13.360And the American people rendered a verdict.
00:48:16.000And in their judgment and their wisdom and all your thing of anti-democratic and fashion and everything like that, the American people voted for this.
00:49:32.740Mike Lindell, before you sell me a pillow, let's give a shout out to all the folks that stood up here for election integrity and make sure they didn't steal this election from Donald John Trump, sir.
00:49:42.740Yeah, I'll tell you, I want to, I want to, my cause of America, all the volunteers, over 300,000 volunteers across the country that worked tirelessly for three and a half years.
00:49:55.980And, you know, our election bureau, all of, I could name so many names out there, but it was Patrick Kolbeck, Kurt Olson, Linda Rand.
00:50:49.040I haven't been attacked for about a week now.
00:50:52.260I'm really wondering what the media, I did thank all the media for attacking me for three and a half years as we were able to get the word out.
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