Episode 4120： Wray Resigns In Fear Of Being Held Accountable; Trump Effect On Capitol Hill
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Chris Wray resigns his position at the FBI, clearing the way for Trump's pick, Kash Patel, to become the next Director of the agency. David Gergen and Alex Blumberg discuss why they think Kash Patel is a better choice than Chris Wray.
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director Christopher Wray telling the agency workforce that he will resign his position
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before the Trump administration takes over in January. These are his words, quote,
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this is the best way to avoid dragging the bureau deeper into the fray while reinforcing
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the values and principles that are so important to how we do our work. This, of course, clears
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the way for Trump's pick, Kash Patel, to be the next director if he can get through the
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confirmation process. He is a man who has signaled massive changes once he takes control.
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The FBI's footprint has gotten so freaking big. And the biggest problem the FBI has had has come
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out of its Intel shops. I'd break that component out of it. I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building
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on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state. Because right now he is the
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person who Donald Trump says he wants to replace Chris Wray and a source familiar with the Trump
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transition team's thinking just said the following when asked for a response to raise
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resignation. And this is the quote. The transition team is confident in Kash Patel and confident he
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will be ready to serve the American people on day one if he should be confirmed, which seems to be
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against the odds. David, is there any doubt he will start taking some of those actions on day one?
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Oh, I think there's no doubt. I mean, he has said the 2020 election was stolen. He has said
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the Trump rush investigation by Robert Mueller never should have been carried out. He's talked
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about, you know, firing large groups of people. I've talked to people who he cites in his book
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for allegedly committing these deep state crimes, and they don't even understand what he's talking
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about. They seem more to be people who he disagrees with politically or people he's had bad
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interactions with earlier in his career. So I don't want to be too harsh here. It's up to the
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Senate. But I cannot I just want to emphasize the level of concern among current and former FBI
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officials that Kash Patel is the wrong person to run the FBI is very, very high. There are other
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appropriate directors that Trump could choose or more appropriate people more qualified who don't
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use these deep state conspiracy theories who could, I think, you know, or they think serves the
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Trump administration. Well, but Kash Patel is alarming a lot of people. I believe that every
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time Christopher Wray says these words, your description of my own approach that I'm biased
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against certain conservatives seems insane. It is insane to suggest that Christopher Wray and I haven't
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been in the government for a long time. But when I was the idea that the FBI had any semblance of a
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of a mission that leans left was equally insane. And the idea that Christopher Wray couldn't have done
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good by saying over and over and over again how we approach our work of protecting the American
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people and upholding the Constitution starts with me having emphasized to all of our folks over and
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over again in everything we do that we need to do the right thing in the right way. And that means
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following the facts wherever they lead, no matter who likes it. That isn't hyperbole. That is simply
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using your position of power to defend the work done by people who risk their lives every day in a
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climate where on the right people are calling them the Gestapo. Absolutely right. Ms. Hagman's comments
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were absolutely absurd. And Christopher Wray had every right to push back the way he did and called them
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insane. Doing the right thing is what principle is all about. And I must say I disagree with some of
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Carol Lenny's comments. Leaders, particularly leaders of these institutions that keep our country
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safe and secure, really need to stand on principle. Because if they don't stand on principle, their
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workforce won't stand on principle. And you want to have a bureau that respects the rule of law, that does
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the right thing, irrespective of the political winds that might be blowing. And being fired by a Donald
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Trump is not an act of public humiliation. It's a badge of honor, quite frankly. And Christopher Wray,
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again, over these seven years, he has demonstrated that he is going to do what he believes is right
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and what the bureau needs to do in order to keep us safe and secure. Donald Trump now is following
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the authoritarian's playbook, which is to put his sycophants, individuals of tremendous loyalty and
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fealty to him in the positions of influence and the intelligence, the law enforcement, judicial and
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other branches of government. He wants individuals who are malleable. He wants a FBI director who's
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going to be his attack dog and go after his adversaries, his enemies, those rivals that he
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sees that pose a threat to him. And that's why, again, I am so disappointed that Director Wray has
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decided to step down. And I believe that a lot of individuals within the bureau feel the same way,
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that at a time of great challenge and great worry about what the bureau is going to have to do or be
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directed to do under a Trump administration, this is where I think Director Wray can stand on
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principle and demonstrate that he is going to set the example for the workforce that I'm going to do
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the right thing and let the chips fall where they may. Because I've watched official Washington,
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including this White House, treat Trump as if he's already president. Yes. Yeah. He's off
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doing foreign trips. He's having meetings. And Joe Biden is just sitting there in the White House
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or in Delaware or whatever, putting out here that or the other thing. Or when he does engage,
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as we saw with the Syria episode this weekend, it's like, OK, so what does Donald Trump think?
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And so this is the problem that we've now gotten to a point where we just embrace all of this as just
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normal Trump stuff. We're back in this world again four years later. And here we are.
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It's the opposite of how President Obama governed between Election Day in 2016 and Donald Trump's
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first inauguration in 2017. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's what I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly
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full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop
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that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share
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the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's a Wednesday, 11 December, year of our Lord, 2024, the late afternoon, early evening show. And man,
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what an explosive afternoon. Incredible. The American Gestapo. Let's get it right over there.
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We don't call it the Gestapo. We call it the American Gestapo. Stunningly, Chris Ray resigns.
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This is what's so great about these people. They're so tough and so puffed up and, you know,
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they're so going to do this and going to do that. They're running for the hills. Nobody thought Ray
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would resign. They thought Trump would have to fire him after he got in and then it'd be a court. It'd
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be a big fight. Congress would get involved. He quit. He quit because he's a wimp, a pencil neck,
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a loser. He's afraid of us. That's why he quit. And look at Brennan. Look at the fear. Now they get it
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that they're going to have no stop at all for the investigations that are surely going to happen
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on their criminality. You're going to see revved up tonight, revved up tonight. Big league is the
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blanket preemptive pardon movement over there because they understand their crimes. Don't take
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it from me. Chuck Grassley. Chuck Grassley's is decent. You know, he's, he's kind of, you,
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you go to the dictionary next to Iowa. Nice guy. Grassley's pictures there.
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He's putting blast out on, on, uh, on, we'll have, we'll have this hack over at NBC. Ken
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Delaney will go through his material here in a second saying, Oh, Grassley's wrong. This
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is all fabricate. It's all wrong. If it's wrong, why'd he quit? Why'd he quit? Why'd he have
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you talk about this? You love the institutions. You're going to do all this. You're going to
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sacrifice. You guys don't sacrifice anything. The first time, a tiny bit of pressure from some
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crazy man here yelling into a microphone, right? And you run for the Hills. You're nothing
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but a bunch of wimps stand and fight. Show us something. You're such big talkers. Show
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us something. Show us, come on, show us some resolve. Show us, you're nothing about a bunch
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of losers. You scrambling. But what Ray's looking for is get that jet, that private FBI jet. And
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God, I don't know, fly to Canada. Sorry. It's going to be the first 51st state. You can't hide
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out there. Go to Greenland. No, that's not going to work. Trump's going to buy it. You guys are
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pathetic. Julie Kelly joins us. Julie, you put out a very mean girl tweet earlier, but you know
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what? It's 100% right. Bye, bitch. What's Julie Kelly being mean girl this afternoon? I hate to say
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it. You kind of summed it up, didn't you? I mean, what's he doing? Where's all this tough? Where
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are the tough FBI guys? McCabe's on TV whimpering and whining. We're having serious conversations
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with inside the family about actually leaving the country. Leave the country, dude. We'll track you
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down to the ends of the earth. And then the firestorm about cash or cash is cash and I
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suitable to FBI agents. That's why people love him and want him because he's not suitable
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to you guys. A bunch of criminals. Julie Kelly, your thoughts on in this day would never have
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come. Never have come. It was not for Julie Kelly. Julie Kelly, amazing work. You went through
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this chapter and verse and just incredible, incredible work. I want to thank you. It wasn't
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just you, but you were a major part of this, of Chris Wray and you're going to be a major part,
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I'm sure, in the Chris Wray investigation into his criminality, the vast criminal conspiracy
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against President Trump and the MAGA movement. Ma'am.
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Thank you. That's extremely generous, but I want to give a shout out to the reporters like my friend
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Molly Hemingway and others who were dogged in exposing Fisagate, Russiagate. And of course,
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Kash Patel was front and center as the lead staff member for Devin Nunes and the House Intelligence
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Committee. But for their work and reporters who were bucking the narrative about Russia collusion,
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we wouldn't have been able to peek into this deep corruption that is infected, not just FBI
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headquarters. We now know that it is, it has infected all 56 FBI field offices because every
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office, Steve, has been involved in the investigation raids. I mean, military style SWAT raids of American
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citizens and arresting them for their involvement in the events of January 6th. I do think that that,
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and of course, the unprecedented raid, Donald Trump's home in August of 2022, those things really
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tipped public trust in the FBI, which is now at an all-time low, despite what John Brennan or Nicole
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Wallace, and I see Mary McCord, that weasel who managed the initial FISA applications when she was
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with the Obama's National Security Division. They are all as corrupt as the day is long,
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and they know it, and that's why they're terrified of cash. They're criminals. Lisa Monaco is a criminal.
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Merrick Garland's a criminal. Chris Ray's a criminal. That's all going to come out in the fullness of
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time, in the fullness of time. Do I have to, I'm going to play the Ken Delaney thing in the next,
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I got to play that just for Julie Kelly. Julie, are you stunned they don't have more fight? These
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people don't have more fight? They are such wimps. Chris Ray, the guy they replaced, sitting in the
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seat of J. Edgar Hoover. J. Edgar Hoover. And what does he do? He folds like a cheap suit and runs away
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like a little girl. Where's the fight, bro? I guess that's right. Anybody that's Chris Christie's
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lawyer, I guess they got the same toughness, toughness of Chris Christie, right? You're a
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pathetic, and this is such a great day. You ran like a little girl, and look at the face of John. John
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Brennan, you see that? John Brennan is like, he and they had Weissman earlier. They're dying right now,
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are they not, Julie? Yes. I saw Andrew Weissman actually do an interview last night on MSNBC. He
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sure is subdued all of a sudden. You know, I call him the valley girl because he talks like
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Romy from Romy and Michelle. I don't know why a man like from New York has that a valley girl accent,
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but he does. And he was certainly very much more subdued than he is. Hang on. I don't know if I
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call him. Hang on. Don't be trashing men from New York. I think Weissman's much closer to the
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valley girl than he is in men in New York. Do not ever say. Never. Men in New York. I want to,
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Julie Kelly, she's from Chicago. Is that Chicago? See, this is that Chicago chip on your guy's
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shoulders. You're always taking shots at New York, right? They can't wait. The Windy City.
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Zervan. American Seconds, American Seconds City. Julie Kelly. Hang on. We got Beattie. We got Julie
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Kelly. DeGrasse. They caught that. They caught the Democrats taking money from foreign entities to
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fund their campaigns. It's a, I think today on this Wednesday, Mo, I might be getting tired of winning.
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John Bolton. No, I'm not. Okay. John Bolton. This beauty. John Bolton. What a clown that guy is.
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The clown. Cash Patel doesn't belong at the FBI. Well, guess what, John Bolton? You can't get a job.
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We're going to make sure you don't get a job. And anywhere. And Cash Patel going to be director
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of the FBI. Sir. Hey, call up that Bolton file. Kidding. Not kidding. God, look at Brennan's face,
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man. That, that gargoyle. Look at him. He's so nervous. Weissman's so nervous. Better be nervous,
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boys. The American Gestapo is going to get cleaned out. But as they're going through the files,
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As Donald Trump announced that he was going to select Cash Patel to be the next FBI director,
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without commenting on the fate of the current FBI director, the implication was that Chris
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Ray would either have to resign or he would be eventually fired by Donald Trump as president.
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And so there was a debate among the people around Chris Ray about the best way to play this.
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And as Chris Ray said in his statement, he ultimately came down on the side that resigning
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would be better for the bureau and the workforce. And I think one of the factors, my reporting
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suggests that one of the factors that went into this is, if you look at that Chuck Grassley
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letter, it makes a litany of baseless charges against Chris Ray and the FBI. It accuses them,
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for example, of ignoring bribery charges that could have been brought against Joe Biden.
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Stop. Stop. Stop. Just put it up and don't rewind it. Put it right there. This guy should
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be fired immediately. He goes on for this long editorial. Chris Ray's done nothing wrong. Chris
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Ray's great. Chris Ray's baseless charges. The base, the Grassley memos, baseless charges.
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What is NBC News doing with this guy? Put him on it. Put him on MSNBC in the opinion section.
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We don't mind it. Let him go on. Let him go on the crazy talk shows as a crazy talk show.
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There he's supposed to be a reporter. This guy's a hack. Ken Delaney is a Delaney or Delaney Delaney.
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This guy's a hack. It's not baseless charges. You know, it's not baseless charges. He just
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resigned and they're going to be, he's going to be over there worming around for a preemptive
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pardon, bro. Blanket preemptive pardon. Now, this is one of the reasons, I don't know. Hey,
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I don't make any decision. I'm just crazy Irishman yelling into a microphone, but I think
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Andrew Weissman and some of these guys, quote unquote, journals are working on these, these
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news organizations, quote unquote. I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know where an investigation will go. I don't know.
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Julie Kelly. Are they baseless? Is Grassley's letter baseless? Is, is, did, did cause and effect
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when Grassley put the letter out and he let it be known that he Grassley over there judiciary
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wants to have a accounting by Chris Ray, Chris Ray, I think in 48 hours resigned. That's
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called a scalp. If you're over working for the staff at Grassley, like Mike Davis, that's
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And you know, Ken Delaney and we call him fusion Ken, because during Russiagate, he was
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taking his direct talking points from fusion GPS. Of course, the outlets, political
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dirty operation that was peddling the dossier around town. So we'd hold it, hold it, hold
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it. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. What's his name? His nickname is fusion
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For fusion GPS. He was just, he was taking his talking points directly from Glenn Simpson
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Yeah. I think you, I think you got a problem. I think you got a problem, brother. You took
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that, you took fusion GPS, which was a lie. Everybody knew that was a lie and you took talking
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points on that. I think you got a problem. I think you got a big problem. Go home, tell
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the wife tonight. Hey, I think we got a lawyer up. We got a lawyer up. We don't hear any more
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you're coming out. There's a newsman saying it's baseless, not baseless. Put that on an
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opinion show. Go sit on Rachel Maddow's lap. Say that. We're tired of the media, these phony
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reporters at places like NBC, CBS, ABC. We're tired of it, of coming out and making editorial
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comment and making stuff up and lying, lying about Cash Patel. I want to say something right
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here, folks. My favorite topic. What would my favorite topic be? If you said the Murdochs,
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you'd be absolutely correct. Now I'm just, today's Wall Street Journal, right? The Wall Street
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Journal. So I got, I got, I got a, the main editorial. Look at the main editorial. Big old
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thing right here. It goes half a page, half a page, the main editorial. This is what the Wall Street
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Journal thinks. Not even signed. It's unsigned because it's from the Wall Street Journal.
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How Tulsi Gabbard sees the world. Her dogmatic, hard left view makes her a risky fit for assessing
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intel. So they're down on Tulsi. They don't like Tulsi. Don't like her at all. Don't like
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her. So I flipped to the opinion page, the op-ed page. Let's, boys and girls, let's turn here
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and see what we have here. Oh gosh, we have John Bolton. He has zero credibility. Cash Patel
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doesn't belong at the FBI. So I got Tulsi. She's hard left. Her views don't count. I got
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Cash. He's unfit. And they, and they smear him right here. Y'all get his lawyer on this
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thing. Right. Then boys and girls. Then I got some hack here. I don't know who he is.
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Trump's misguided attack on birthright citizenship right there. And I top it off with, and this
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is the most reasonable, some guy from West Point saying, Hey, Trump wants to get out of the
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wars, but it's not easy. You got to stay in the wars, the forever wars. That's the Wall
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Street Journal today. That's the Wall Street Journal today. Four massive opinion pieces
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from the Murdochs, all anti-Trump and anti-Trump program. And I mean, trying to be kill shots.
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This thing right here, John Bolton, they're quoting it all day on MSNBC. Cash Patel. Well,
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guess what, John Bolton? Cash Patel is going to be the director of the FBI. Yep.
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It's going to happen. Hearing it all over. He's going to be the director. Today, Ray, we
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took down Chris Ray. This is a scalp for the war room. Yeah, Brennan, it's the American
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Gestapo. Let's get the name right. And somebody said, Oh, Cash has already said he's going to
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keep the, keep the thing. Trump hadn't signed off on that. Cash didn't tell anybody that, but
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Trump ain't signed off on that. He wants that headquarters, headquarters empty, empty. And
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you're not building the new, you're not going to build the new Pentagon. Not going to do
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it. Not going to do it. Empty that building. Take the brutalist architecture. It's the ugliest
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building in DC. And that's saying something. It's the, but it smears. It's a, it's a, it's
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a black mark on that beautiful street with all the classical buildings down there and take
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it apart. Let's give them a Carthage. Let's give the FBI Carthaginian, Carthaginian peace like the
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Romans did. Take it apart brick by brick, or in this case, stucco slab by stucco slab, and then salt
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the earth around it. So nothing can ever grow there again. And just don't make it a thing of the, of,
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the deep state. Just drive a stake in here. And once upon a time, an organization that started
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an institution that started with the best intentions, atrophied to be a mind police in a, in a, in a, in a,
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in a dark force upon the liberties of the American people. And the American people rose up and then
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their sovereign will overthrew them. And this is a mark. This ground marks the spot where this evil
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took place. And it was taken apart brick by brick. We saw the earth and nothing will grow there for a
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thousand years. How about that? Suck on that. You don't have Ray to protect you. You thought Ray,
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they thought Ray was going to at least stick out for a year of Trump, take Trump's pounding,
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but stick there, get, get the files. Nobody can get to him. Cash can't get to him. No,
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because he's still FBI director. And then after a while, Trump be so beat up on the financial side.
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So beat up on the deportation. So beat up about them dragging him into wars from Syria to Ukraine.
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He'd be so beat up. He just, Oh man, I can't even focus on the FBI. That's what they wanted.
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Hey, Brennan. Hey, Weissman didn't work out for you. Did we call it? We said he's going to run.
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You know, he's running cause he's a gutless coward. That's why he's running.
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Bad name, man. Brennan's burning up that phone line over there.
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Weissman's burning the phone line. Hey, I need a blanket. I need a blanket.
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Preemptive pardon. Julie Kelly, your thoughts, ma'am.
00:24:17.780
I just suggest that something might have precipitated this announcement today. And that
00:24:24.240
is the expected release could even come tomorrow, Steve, of the long awaited and intentionally
00:24:29.800
delayed, uh, DOJ inspector general report on the FBI DOJ involvement in the events of January 6th,
00:24:36.980
which will confirm at least some of what we've been asking and a lot of what Chris Ray has been
00:24:43.520
lying about. And that is the use of FBI informants before and on January 6th. Michael Horowitz,
00:24:49.780
uh, has completed that report. It's been in draft form since September. So it's been sitting on
00:24:56.140
someone's desk for three months, but I'm hearing that there's, uh, potentially it could be released
00:25:01.060
tomorrow, Thursday. And this will once again, expose not just Chris Ray's use of the FBI to turn
00:25:10.020
into what I call a domestic terror operation to go after Donald Trump, his associates, and of course,
00:25:16.560
his voters for January 6th investigation. Uh, but also all of his misrepresentations to Congress.
00:25:22.940
Now I have kind of a montage on Twitter that I posted twice today, Chris Ray's greatest hits
00:25:29.400
lying about January 6th and the use of FBI informants. You can look that up at Julie
00:25:34.680
underscore Kelly too, that just scratches the surface of Christopher Ray first intentionally
00:25:40.500
lying and misleading Congress, then becoming indignant at the suggestion that the FBI could
00:25:46.640
have precipitated, uh, the events of January 6th. So we'll see what Horowitz's report says,
00:25:53.500
how much of it is redacted or unredacted, but I have full trust in our friend Cash Patel
00:26:00.300
that to the extent it's redacted or only tells part of the story of the FBI's involvement. Uh,
00:26:07.920
I'm sure that is towards the top of his very long list of things to investigate and expose,
00:26:13.120
uh, from Christopher Ray's FBI. Julie, hang on one second. I want to go to,
00:26:20.620
is Darren Beattie up and working? Darren, I got about a minute, uh, here to just introduce your
00:26:25.120
thoughts on this topic and we're going to bring both you guys back. Your thoughts day on a historic
00:26:29.360
day. Chris Ray took the bullet, sir. Well, it's great. I only wish it had happened earlier and even
00:26:37.600
better. I wish he hadn't been appointed in the first place, but he is, uh, very much a symbol
00:26:44.760
and an operative figure in what we've come to call the weaponization of government. Every single
00:26:50.280
dimension of that, um, he and Merrick Garland and maybe one or two others belong in that particularly,
00:26:57.780
um, noxious, um, category, but it's a good thing that he's left better than that. He's there,
00:27:06.400
but it's kind of, I wish it had happened earlier. And I deeply hope that he receives the
00:27:12.500
accountability that he deserves and the country deserves.
00:27:18.240
Okay. Uh, Darren, Julie, just hang right there. Huge day, historic day. An FBI director,
00:27:24.920
we're still three years left on his term, quit today in, uh, because of inquiring minds want to
00:27:35.000
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Okay. Hang on. I got Julie and Beattie. We're going to get right back to on the FBI, but Alex
00:30:00.020
was in the neighborhood. No, huge, uh, breaking news. I got, okay. So number one, folks, we won in
00:30:06.380
North Carolina. Thanks to the audience. You guys were magnificent. The speaker of the house, who's
00:30:11.140
going to Congress says, uh, Bravo's a great job. We're trying to get him in the six o'clock hour,
00:30:16.040
but a big, massive win in North. That was a big win. You called this over, God, it's gotta be a
00:30:22.700
couple of years ago when you're fighting on these North Carolina things. If we hadn't gotten North
00:30:25.900
Carolina, just saying, made ahead, made ahead of Keem Jeffries as speaker, right? That's right.
00:30:32.440
I mean, you got, this is you, that was a called shot a couple of years ago, right? That was a
00:30:36.020
called shot a couple of years ago. And we dug in hard, came down to the posse really. And MAGA
00:30:40.480
as a whole across the board, forcing the issue for fair maps. These aren't Republican maps. They're
00:30:45.780
fair legal maps. And you, Steven and I were talking a couple of weeks back, cause we were looking at the
00:30:51.200
popular vote and how much of a wave this was. But then you look at the fact that we lost the seat,
00:30:56.240
right? Which I said was worst case, uh, which, but you, you dialed it. You said, Hey, listen,
00:31:01.380
in, in your defense, you said it was worst case, but what went on in Carolina, California, that's
00:31:06.520
why I support what's going on in Carolina and everywhere. They're just going to sit there and
00:31:10.240
manufacture ballots and take you three and four weeks. And until they get up 500 votes, then they
00:31:15.320
stop. Yeah. I mean, in California state law, ballots can keep appearing. They don't need to be
00:31:20.040
postmarked. I mean, just that really needs to get out to the American people. And it will take
00:31:25.080
a grassroots, aggressive effort. Maybe Elon can help whoever to get the funds that really force
00:31:31.620
this. Cause people don't support that when you explain it as such, right? I mean,
00:31:35.580
Democrat, moderate and conservative Democrats, they think that's insane. And that's what they get away
00:31:40.300
with in California. And it's a disaster. And the next midterms, California, New York,
00:31:44.760
New Jersey looks great. I mean, president Trump won in 13 seats that we did not take. And
00:31:50.960
the, I think the number of people in Washington DC, that would have said president Trump would
00:31:55.160
outrun house Republicans, two of them are in the room and there's probably three or four other people
00:31:59.840
in all of Washington DC that said, Hey, Trump is going to be up ahead and Republicans will be
00:32:05.420
running behind. So a couple of things, cause I know you got to get back over to the, um,
00:32:09.740
although you don't have an office there anymore. When the boss goes to the UN, no, I'm out. Um,
00:32:15.540
I'm out. Um, no, yes, cause you're a troublemaker. Okay. And you know, the audience has too much
00:32:21.620
respect for you and I have too much respect for you. So please don't give me political talk.
00:32:25.860
Sure. The NDA and I got Burchard's blowing guys up, MTG's blowing guys. I think we're gonna have
00:32:30.740
Burchard on the NDA. Now it turns out it's got, it's got what, um, it's got, uh, a billion dollars
00:32:37.060
worth of foreign military. I mean, it's all this stuff in there, right? It's crazy. The NDA is a
00:32:42.400
top line and I know you're going to make me feel better. It says, well, it's not hard number and
00:32:46.020
it could be, but haven't we really handcuffed, uh, Vivek and Elon as they come in to work with
00:32:52.620
vote and they got, and now you got, you got pay a letter with the impoundments you got,
00:32:56.660
they've taken, uh, McGinley out of white house council and put him on here. It's so important.
00:33:00.480
Yeah. Doesn't, doesn't this take defense off the table?
00:33:03.800
So what I've been told and, um, the defense spending is always twofold because you kind
00:33:09.240
of lay down what they want and kind of, you know, the hometown stuff, the district stuff,
00:33:13.020
the priorities of each individual member of Congress. And these people on the Hill, I mean,
00:33:16.540
they feel really strongly that they want their pie, their priorities for whatever their local
00:33:21.000
stuff is. And then you have the military appropriations, just like any of the other
00:33:24.660
12 appropriations. So the meat comes through that.
00:33:27.440
No, but we can't, but I know, but it never, they have never come under the, I keep saying
00:33:31.960
they hit the number because they use the number saying, Hey, we already authorized 800
00:33:36.640
billion. And so we got to hit. And so the appropriation is just spreading, dealing the
00:33:40.960
cards to the different players. That's right. They never cut. So that's my point. You've
00:33:44.880
got, we have eight, we have $900 billion hard locked in here.
00:33:48.760
So they, well, it's not hard locked cause it can get changed. And I asked four different
00:33:53.060
people. I said, Hey, you know, Doge, this, that. And they said, look, this is just what we're
00:33:57.980
putting forward. Hexate said, he's in audit. All of them have said, they're going to perform
00:34:03.380
it. I think that will take time. They're going to come to the table. And the executive branch
00:34:07.540
is going to have wide authority, I think on the department of defense to make changes.
00:34:12.520
I think broadly, I think they'll be able to huge breaking news today in an avalanche of
00:34:18.700
news. I didn't want this to get lost because something you and I have been focused on for
00:34:22.060
a long time, quite some time talk about, and you kind of, you've told people this, but
00:34:26.040
now it's out in the open. Well, people thought I was insane. And they actually told me, Hey,
00:34:29.180
you were on the show, careful saying this on the show. Hey, even for war room, it's crazy.
00:34:35.000
So, you know, so people have been talking about it. And most importantly, you hear this from
00:34:39.300
the posse. I mean, I'm at an event, people come up to me. It's foreign money. I'm like,
00:34:43.960
I think it is too, but we're working on trying to prove it. Brian Stile, great guy. Not many people
00:34:48.320
have heard of him. Solid, hardworking, in the weeds guy that runs house admin, that sort of
00:34:53.060
oversees elections from the perspective of the house has been digging on this in his committee
00:34:57.360
under subpoena has gotten documents from act blue, just news had it covered. John Solomon's
00:35:03.560
talked about it. He did an interview as well on this. And on September 9th, they put in place
00:35:10.080
a mechanism to prevent foreign bought gift cards. I'll say that again, foreign bought gift
00:35:17.140
cards, other high risk type of gift cards and other ways to essentially launder foreign money.
00:35:22.080
That didn't go in place until September 9th. So rewind the fundraising period Q3 between
00:35:28.980
July 1st and September 30th with reports going public on October 15th. I was on this show
00:35:35.100
and set being like $3 million raised, $3 million raised, all these candidates in these Democrat
00:35:40.920
seats, that September 9th, quote unquote, safeguard that they put in place, which they're admitting
00:35:46.600
in legal terms that they were allowing this, obviously, falls into place when they had the
00:35:51.500
summer of money into the fall that we saw. And you couldn't be talking about illegitimate
00:35:57.380
elections when you think about it. And the fact that four countries that we're looking
00:36:00.980
at Venezuela, Iran, China, Russia, for random. Yeah, those are the ones that folks believe
00:36:09.100
are involved here and giving money to Democrats in record numbers. I mean, no, I've been doing
00:36:14.440
this for 10 years. Hit rewind on that. Sure. You've been doing this for a decade. You've
00:36:18.560
sensed something's wrong. And I'd love the fact that posse comes up to him in these things.
00:36:22.320
They go, you'll do this foreign money. And James O'Keefe has been at the tip of the
00:36:26.480
spirits, too. I want to say that. They've looked at knocking on doors and saying, hey,
00:36:29.860
you're down for a thousand bucks. They've got to look, I can't do 20 grand.
00:36:33.600
Meeting income neighborhoods where all these people on the street have given money to Democrats.
00:36:37.880
There's a lot of ways they do it under other names, under whatever. Right. And so it's
00:36:42.620
really scary. And I think first we found out that, hey, they don't require the security code
00:36:47.440
right on the credit card form, you know, an author. So and you typically my understanding
00:36:51.880
and it's bigger than just ActBlue because it's Stripe. It's the processors, all far left
00:36:56.140
companies, by the way, that really control the money in digital currency, which is why the
00:37:00.540
posse and other people have kind of been skeptical, I think, broadly of the Internet and
00:37:05.000
digital currency and just kind of all of that stuff. And everything's tied in here because
00:37:09.440
they know they know where the money is coming from. They know the high risk accounts.
00:37:12.740
Comer just said they think there's hundreds of unusual bank, you know, whatever alerts
00:37:17.860
or whatever that's called. And so dig in, because this is going to get absolutely wild.
00:37:22.520
And we have been saying it. And so if you've been saying it, the posse.
00:37:26.840
Here's what's interesting. Epoch Times, not the company, but the CFO there is under federal
00:37:33.400
indictment, right, for the thing with these kind of charge cards or something to happen
00:37:38.060
or these cards that have been out of Vietnam. You notice the Justice Department's not on
00:37:42.820
ActBlue. No Democrats indicted. No grand juries indicted. It's got to be Stiles. It's got to
00:37:47.700
be the admin. It's got to come from somebody else's investigation. This is why, Ray, this
00:37:51.420
is why the investigations on the vast criminal conspiracy of what the Democrats have done is
00:37:56.520
going to be vast. It's going to take years. It has to be totally transparent. But go back
00:38:00.560
to the countries. What are the potential countries? Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China.
00:38:08.320
And does that strike you as odd? And they all have an interest politically. Yes. And Democrats
00:38:13.360
being elected. Yes. And not having Trump back and not having not having MAGA guys in the
00:38:18.240
Congress. And definitely putting that fails that that safeguard into a Democrat house to try
00:38:23.720
to prevent President Trump, which, folks, is what we are up against now. This fight for the
00:38:29.040
midterm has started. We have six months, I believe, six, eight months to really focus on
00:38:34.480
getting a palm card and a packet of results. We need RFK. We need the whole team of folks in there.
00:38:40.560
Six months. I know there's so many good plans. No, but they got to hit. You got to get you got
00:38:44.220
to put victories up. Significant wins for the American people. I think we will. By Labor Day
00:38:48.800
of next year. A hundred percent. And your palm card is the checklist. You can show somebody.
00:38:52.880
This is what we did. This is what Matt has accomplished for you, the voter.
00:38:55.480
Otherwise, they're going to raise two billion dollars. And folks, wait for this. They're
00:38:58.860
going to they're going to if if they win and they flip some of these seats, they win.
00:39:03.440
The first thing Hakeem Jeffries does is impeach Trump. We're back to that. We're back to the
00:39:07.320
beginning. Yeah, I think it's. Well, before I let you go, before I let you go, North Carolina
00:39:12.820
with his two thirds and particularly audit, they're down there screaming that, oh, you're putting
00:39:16.700
elections under audits. But Carolina, these things are having these problems where you have
00:39:22.260
to do audits. Yeah, let me just say this. And this is breaking news in Elise's district.
00:39:27.060
And no one knows this yet. Good Republican County. Nice people. I'm not here to attack
00:39:32.060
them, but they made a mistake. Five hundred votes just switched. And this is because my
00:39:36.340
guys have solid guys going through. And we always do a report every year, every election
00:39:40.340
that I've been involved. You know, we look at every number, every precinct. We noticed a
00:39:44.400
massive discrepancy where they mess up the Excel. It's just an honest mistake.
00:39:48.580
I'm assuming. Five hundred, not for Elise. Yes, that's switched now to Elise. And it's
00:39:53.260
always in that direction. Hang on, hang on. That's right. Listen, it's always in one direction.
00:39:58.140
It's always for the Democrats. But this is our staff doing the grunt work, looking into
00:40:02.380
it. Auditing is every election should be audited carefully. In fact, polling shows the American
00:40:06.900
people support that when we dealt with the Arizona audit and when Elise was running for
00:40:10.960
conference chair against Liz Cheney, that was sort of kind of the and she came on here, I
00:40:14.800
think, her first time and talked about the audit, gave support to the audit, caused a
00:40:18.040
massive meltdown, CNN, the whole thing. But when we poll audits, it's like 75 percent
00:40:23.140
of people support independently auditing elections. It's something that we have to work towards.
00:40:27.680
You look at North Carolina. This is crazy. I mean, Elias in many ways is losing. I mean,
00:40:32.360
he's tried. He's a tough game. But the more people talk about election integrity, the more
00:40:36.620
the grassroots is in the room, up front. We train our people and we execute on it. We
00:40:43.640
So that's why it's so important to get around the table. Last thing before I let you go.
00:40:47.660
The Trump effect on Capitol Hill inside, give us what the vibe is.
00:40:55.760
I think people, I think it's a wake up call when you look at his raw vote count. I think
00:41:00.680
that speaks for itself. I think, you know, Bernie Moran, I don't know if you saw his quick segment.
00:41:04.740
I think he was maybe with Tulsi. I mean, that really encapsulates. You know, the Senate,
00:41:08.840
they've been there longer. And so I think it's a different game because they're on the ballot every
00:41:13.540
six years. Right. So it's a little bit different. The House, you look at the House, most of them have
00:41:18.420
come in in the Trump era. And so the House is very magical. When you look at it as a whole,
00:41:23.280
so many people, you don't know their name. They're kind of average guys from the South or whatever.
00:41:27.640
But I think that the unity there is pretty good. Nothing's ever perfect, of course.
00:41:32.280
But people, I mean, you look at these nominees, you look at how people have come around,
00:41:35.800
you look at what the grassroots has done. I mean, I've got people telling me they're making phone
00:41:39.740
calls through Mike Davis. I mean, I've got voters in upstate New York, and they don't know I'm good
00:41:44.140
friends with Mike Davis, saying Article 3 project, we're working the phone, we're calling Senate. I
00:41:47.460
mean, everything is really happening. What I love seeing about this group of people is we haven't
00:41:51.740
stopped because we know the fight is really just beginning in the scheme of things. And we got to
00:41:56.440
where we got. But now it's really time to dig in. What impresses you that you've never seen before is
00:42:01.000
normally after an election, like 16 million people just check out and they've come
00:42:05.740
back a year from now or something like that, people are up on the ramparts right away.
00:42:08.780
100%. I've never seen the engagement from grassroots at all levels, in the weeds, looking,
00:42:15.660
especially onto the Senate, making sure everything is airtight. And it's a positive thing. I think
00:42:20.360
we're going to have to continue and really focus on the local elections, which are key,
00:42:24.440
the precinct strategy, and then lock in for the midterms.
00:42:27.240
You're back with a new Congress on the third. I hope I'm pushing to get a flood the zone on the
00:42:32.640
fifth or sixth for confirmations. Do you think that'll start? Do you think that'll happen?
00:42:35.960
Yeah, I think the key is to be positive. I think they need reinforcement. Hey, I'm a voter. This
00:42:41.320
is what I believe in. It's actually historically been very rare for a cabinet secretary level for
00:42:47.200
your own party to vote against. So I want that to be clear to people. That's not a normal thing
00:42:52.100
to vote against your own party's nominee for any of the cabinet positions. But I think that's huge.
00:42:56.820
Particularly when a guy walks in like Trump, like a beast, and has a kind of the raw...
00:43:01.440
Every battleground state and a popular vote for Republicans. We haven't seen that.
00:43:04.940
We've got to jump. Social media, where do we go?
00:43:06.660
At DeGrasse81 on X. Thanks, Steve. Thank the posse.
00:43:11.320
Thanks for coming. Alex DeGrasse, one of the young superstars.
00:43:14.940
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You can go there. I highly encourage everyone, if you haven't done your Christmas shopping yet,
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you can find everything from women's clothing, men's clothing, you know, stuff for your pet,
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you know, your kids. And all the different companies support your values, right? They're all
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great products, but you got to ascertain it. But these are people that kind of pass the smell
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they're conservative companies that believe and have the same values that we do. And they are
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tired of companies that don't have those same values, you know, Starbucks, uh, all these other
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companies that promote things that we don't believe in. And on PublicSquare, these companies do have the
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same values as us. And that's why it's such a great site to find the, all these different companies
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and encourage you for, especially your Christmas shopping since it's getting very close to
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Christmas. And Don Jr. is now on the board over there. And of course, they're lighting them up
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because of that. Stock's going up a lot, but you can just go to the site and check it out. Let's go
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to, uh, we still got Julie Kelly. Julie, you're closing thoughts on, uh, Chris Ray. It's a huge day
00:47:12.940
for you. They're all defending Chris Ray saying he's the greatest guy ever. He never should have done it.
00:47:17.040
And they're trashing Cash Mattel because they fear him, ma'am.
00:47:20.380
Right. So, I mean, we keep naming names as far as people who need to be investigated and held
00:47:27.940
accountable, Christopher Ray, towards the top of that list. Because, Steve, under Chris Ray's seven
00:47:33.780
year reign, uh, the public's trust in the FBI has completely crashed. Uh, latest, uh, Gallup poll
00:47:41.640
in September indicated only 22% of Republicans view the FBI favorably. I suspect that number is far
00:47:49.460
lower, but maybe they're afraid to tell someone that they don't trust the FBI. Uh, and the number
00:47:55.360
is only a little bit better among independents. Of course, Democrats love the FBI because it's been
00:48:00.340
used for the past several years to go after Donald Trump, his associates and his voters. So we need a
00:48:07.960
full, uh, exploration investigation into so many scandals with this FBI, starting with the raid at
00:48:16.320
Mar-a-Lago and also the ongoing military style swap armed raids against American citizens who
00:48:24.060
participated in the events of January 6th. Julie, before I let you go, you put this, tell us where
00:48:30.600
people can go for this big piece that you're putting out. Cause you're naming names. Now you're
00:48:33.960
naming judges. You're saying exactly what the judges did. You're doing these definitive pieces
00:48:38.480
and tomorrow, I guess, or the next day you're saying we may get Horowitz's, this mythical IG report
00:48:44.240
that's been floating out there for, I think years, right? You're saying we may be 24 to 48 hours away
00:48:50.540
from getting it. Talk to us about your reporting and where people can go to get all your analysis.
00:48:56.400
So, and my son stack declassified with Julie Kelly, also big piece you're alluding to talking
00:49:01.680
about the judges denying motions, uh, to halt trials, to stop people from going to jail based
00:49:09.200
on Trump's promise of pardons for J sixers. That's a real clear investigations. Of course I'm on Twitter
00:49:15.040
a lot, Julie underscore Kelly too. And, uh, if we get the Horowitz report tomorrow or Friday, of course,
00:49:22.240
I will be, uh, live covering that on acts posting snippets of that report. And, uh, you know,
00:49:30.260
where, where we go from there, because the real tragedy of this intentional delay of this report
00:49:37.300
about the FBI's involvement in January six is it could have represented exculpatory evidence
00:49:43.620
for these defendants in DC courtrooms. The fact that the government has hidden the involvement
00:49:49.780
of, uh, FBI assets on January six has denied the due process rights of January six defendants, a real travesty.
00:49:58.180
No, it's terrible, but there'll be, we'll, we'll set things right on that. I do want to have you
00:50:04.340
back. I'm making a public request now, Julie Kelly, we got to come back. And since you've introduced
00:50:09.620
fusion Ken to the American people, but Ken Delaney, Delaney, I guess, I want to come back and do a,
00:50:16.660
a mashup of his terrible reporting and make sure that we can make him as famous as everybody else.
00:50:21.300
NBC ought to fire this hack right away. But Julie, I I'm committing you now to come back at some
00:50:26.100
time in the future and we'll go through, we'll spend, we'll spend some time doing that.
00:50:37.220
Her hard work on the J six. I mean, this is, and look, they, I, you could argue,
00:50:42.580
cause I had heard that, uh, Ray was going to leave Friday. And I was kind of shocked when I first heard
00:50:48.100
it, Mo because I said, there's no way that he kind of admits that the pressure we're putting
00:50:54.420
on him has got some background to it. And that's why he's taken off. He would at least get it out
00:50:58.100
for a year and take it and try to defend his position and particularly cover up for Weissman
00:51:04.580
and Brennan and all these guys. But to see you fold it is just to me, kind of a shocker.
00:51:09.860
Honestly, I'm not so shocked because I feel like he's would be more embarrassed on day one
00:51:15.940
to be fired, publicly fired. And I think that he resigning is trying to save face, but it's not
00:51:22.820
saving face at all. You can't defend, he can't defend his actions. His actions are indefensible.
00:51:28.620
So I think that to him, this is the lesser of not two evils, but the lesser of the humiliation.
00:51:35.920
I resign now instead of being publicly humiliated because it would have been a public humiliation
00:51:41.540
on day one for him being fired. Like he so rightfully deserves to be public humiliation.
00:51:48.080
Like they pulled Peter Navarro at Reagan national airport, Peter Navarro, then 70 years old. They
00:51:53.500
pulled Peter Navarro now senior counselor to the president of the United States, then counselor
00:51:58.440
to the president of the United States, uh, a, uh, a assistant to the president, one of the 12 highest
00:52:02.680
things you got, pulled him off a plane, shackled him like a dog in front of everybody at national
00:52:08.260
airport to humiliate him. Well, guess what folks? Well, good for the goose is better for the gander.
00:52:14.840
And I want to say something about in president Trump said all these great FBI guys and the president,
00:52:18.480
they, they do love him, but where are the whistleblowers? Cash has got a bunch, but that's
00:52:23.180
a handful, 35,000 people. And you were quiet. You were silent. Just like, uh, I don't know.
00:52:30.340
Let me pull some rain. Oh, the Gestapo in the SS. Yep. Oh, we were just following orders. That,
00:52:36.240
that is not, that's Herman Goering's, uh, line of, uh, defense. It doesn't work.
00:52:41.480
Didn't work in Nuremberg is not going to work here. It's a disgrace, a disgrace, a disgrace.
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