Episode 4154： The Rise Of The Technocrats And Their Hate For America
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Summary
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are calling for the U.S. to hire 100,000 more high-skilled workers in the tech sector. What does this mean for the future of the country's tech sector? And what should we do about it?
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Ramaswamy explained why he feels tech companies choose to hire foreign workers over Americans.
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He boiled it all down to, quote, culture. He wrote in part this,
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our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long. That doesn't
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start in college. It starts young. A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math
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or Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.
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He continued, Trump's election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America,
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but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over
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normalcy, excellence over mediocrity, nerdiness over conformity, and hard work over laziness.
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Elon Musk and Rebecca Ramaswamy in this particular case, I think are exactly right. America's ability
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to attract talent from around the world is basically our economic superpower. The fact
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that in particular, we've been able to attract high skilled immigrants quite reliably in this
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country over the past century or so is why we have this enduring leadership in science, tech,
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and business. So just as an example, of all Fortune 500 companies, about half of them were founded
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by immigrants or the children of immigrants. And of the Nobel laureates, American Nobel laureates who
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have received prizes for the hard sciences this century, about 40 percent of them are immigrants
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who came to this country. So again, this is our superpower. Republican here, I wonder what your view
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on this is because this is happening within the Republican Party. I mean, these are two top advisors
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to Trump, the mega world who, you know, are kind of framing this as the true believers who say,
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you know, we ouster stricter immigration policies. That didn't mean coming with a carve out for high
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skilled workers that they say are taking American jobs here. Yeah, look, I think with all due respect
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to Mr. Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, they should focus on saving federal dollars for the taxpayers and not
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immigration policy. I understand some of the points that Catherine made, and I agree to an extent,
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but I think the U.S. should focus more on domestic skill development. Studies also show
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that H-1B1 exacerbates employers hiring individuals from outside of the country when they could
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potentially hire minorities, for example, which we know there's a shortage in the STEM fields.
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There are a significant number of Americans who I think would love opportunities if they
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had the proper training and skills to operate in those jobs fairly well. So why not start and focus
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there? I'm not of the support or mindset, Caitlin, that we should let in more than the 60 plus
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thousand that were already let in into the country. Do we have some deficits? I certainly understand
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that point, again, to what Catherine was sort of alluding to. But I think by focusing on increasing
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domestic skill development, you can decrease the furtherance of those deficits by virtue of saying,
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you know what, we're going to spend more of our time, more of our dollars, educating our own citizens
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to compete for these jobs versus saying, let's increase to a hundred thousand or maybe even more
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for employers to bring in individuals from India, which is a predominant country where many of them
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come from. I don't agree with that at all. And I think folks in the macro world have every right
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To say I agree with Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, I think they're pointing out the reality that we're
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living. You could say, and I hear Michael's point, I disagree with it, though, because I think it
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misses the fact that we want to get to the place where we can maximize the use of our own talent
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in this country. Let's bring in the best of Bryce from all around the world. Let's really make our
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economy stronger. Let's become even more tech dominant. That's the way, in fact, to elevate
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the whole country and to create more opportunity for Americans of all kinds in the tech field. So
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I don't know why on earth we wouldn't want to grab all the talent out there, especially because if we
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don't our competitors will. So what are we going to do now? That guy in the corner, Jaeger's his name,
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some kind of war hero, shot down five Germans in one day. They say he's a natural born stick and
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rudder man. Express liaison man for the Air Force, I think. You know of any problems with him? Only one.
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What's that? Holding him back. Major. Say there, Jaeger. Sir. We were just talking to Slick here about the
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sound barrier. Is that right? And we feel that the X-1 is ready to have a go at it. We think the X-1's
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got the answer to go beyond Mach 1. If there is any beyond. So what do you think, Jaeger? Well, I'll tell you
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what, half these engineers never been off the ground, you know. I mean, they're liable to tell
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you that the sound barriers are brick walled in the sky. It'll rip your ears off if you try to go
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through it. If you ask me, I don't believe the damn thing even exists. Letras, a drink from Mr. Jaeger here.
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No, thanks. I got one. So, do you think you want to have a go at it? I might. But since, as you say,
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this sound barrier doesn't really exist, how much... How much you got? I'm just joking. The Air Force is paying
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me already. Ain't that right, sir? Well, sure, Jaeger, but... So when do we go? Well, how about
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tomorrow morning? I'll be there. See you there.
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How much are you paying him? I think it's $283 a week, a month.
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Look, I'm not against legal immigration. I think most individuals who voted for Trump aren't
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necessarily against legal immigration as it pertains to H-1B. But Americans didn't vote for
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Ramaswamy. They didn't vote for Elon Musk. They voted for Donald Trump in part because of his tough
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stance on immigration illegally, but also because I assume they believe that the president-elect
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wouldn't increase the number of individuals coming into the country, even legally, that could
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potentially negatively impact or disproportionately affect Americans as it pertains to certain types
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of jobs. And so, again, I go back to my original premise. We need to focus on domestic skill
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development. I understand what former Mayor de Blasio was saying. We got to bring people in
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with the goal of getting to that point maybe in the decade or so. I get that. But why not limit the cap
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where it's at and focus over the next decade of increase in skills within our own people?
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Most Americans don't want to see good-paying American jobs going to people from India or China.
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Yeah, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. The competition, the global competition is happening
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right now. And if we don't grab that talent, sure, Michael, I hear you. But if you don't grab the
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talent now, someone else does. And if you really want to grow the economy so you'll have that
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opportunity for Americans, why would you leave talent on the table? You know, grab what you can now
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and build toward the goal you're talking about. It's not either or.
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Yeah, I would add that there's basically no evidence that bringing in high-skilled talent
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over the past century has reduced employment for Americans. In fact, the opposite, that these are
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complementary jobs and that they end up creating these high-skilled immigrants who come in,
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whether they're founding Fortune 500 companies or otherwise, end up creating a lot of opportunities
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for American workers and making American scientists more productive.
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Wait a minute. What Americans? Because again, to the point that I made earlier, we know that
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studies suggest that minorities are underrepresented in these fields. There are a host of other
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Americans who are underrepresented in these fields. So perhaps they are creating jobs for some
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Americans, but it certainly aren't Americans that I know or people who look like me, Catherine,
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with all due respect. So again, I am vehemently against this. We're allowing enough of these
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These are not substitutes. These are compliments. These are compliments. These are not substitutes.
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I agree. We need to improve the pipeline for underrepresented talent in tech.
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That doesn't mean, you know, kicking out all the global talent.
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Well, we've got one Democrat at the table who agrees with...
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Look, President-elect Trump said that we should provide a visa or working permit to everybody
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who graduates from an American college. I agree. Let's do that. I mean, we have foreign students
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who come here who study. All we're doing is subsidizing other countries if we're forcing them
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to go back and not deploy the talents and skills they got here in our country. I hope he listens
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on immigration to people like Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, but also takes into account his desire
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to reduce grocery prices, to reduce housing prices. If he wants to accomplish that,
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immigrants play such an important role in our economy across the continuum, across the skills
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continuum, right? From low skills jobs, hardworking to high skills jobs, founders, engineers.
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They're really a big part of what makes America as prosperous as we are. And as your last panel has
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said, in many ways, it's our superpower that we have the best and brightest and hardest working people
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from across the world that want to come here and live the American dream and be part of our,
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making our country safer, stronger and wealthier.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people have
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had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Friday, 27 December in the year of our Lord, 2024. If it was not on your bingo card
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about we'd have a firestorm on one of the central issues facing this country as we try to make
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America great again, this situation about our sovereignty and the corollary to that immigration,
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particularly legal immigration is what we're talking about. Then you haven't been paying
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attention to a firestorm in the last 48 hours. We're going to break it all down today and tomorrow
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as we do kind of two special worms going to be fitting in other news too, particularly the hunt
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for the Speaker of the House. Ukraine, the Middle East, the economy, capital markets, all of it,
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but we've got to focus on this. And right there, just a series of lies and misrepresentations.
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I have been on this topic, folks, for, I don't know, 12 years, 14 years, right? And it was the central
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part of the 20, President Trump's rise to power in 2014 and 15 and his victory in 16.
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I was honored to be along with Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner in the room with President Trump
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when on the 25th floor at Trump Tower came for the first time in history, all the tech oligarchs,
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all of them came to pay homage to then President Trump after this incredible come from behind
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victory in 2016. And Stephen Miller and I had our little notes and we were all set to go on HB1
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visas. We thought that would be it. In the room with these guys, and Elon was right, there was a
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meeting put together by Peter Thiel. HB1 visas kind of took second or third place. The central issue
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they wanted to talk about was, guess what? The Chinese Communist Party, although most of them
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were kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party and trying to figure out how to have a rapprochement
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and to work with these demons, they were pretty upset. They were pretty upfront about how their
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intellectual property was being just stolen right in front of them to their face and that
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Obama's administration and previous administrations hadn't done anything about it, had not done
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anything about it. Okay, here's how we're going to break it down. We've got Mark Kerkorian from the
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Center of Immigration Studies. I think one of the top experts, if not the top expert in the country
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on this HB1 visas, plus other reports about foreign labor taking away American jobs, because everything
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you just heard right there in pro-HB1 visas are bald-faced lies. And I come at this, folks, I didn't come to
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this in the last 48 hours. I've been working on this one for 10, 12 years. It's absolutely outrageous.
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American jobs for American citizen workers. This is a scam, a total scam. And we've got to have a
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throwdown. Let's have it now. Like Frankie Pantel, what Frank Pantelos says in The Godfather.
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Let's hit them now while we're strong. We've got Jack Posobiec, Raheem Kassam, D. Gavin Wax,
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So against, I'm also for big restrictions on legal immigration. Until, until Silicon Valley,
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until these places have, I don't know, 20% African American and 20% Hispanic and, and kids that can
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go to college and every college you go to, every engineering school you go to is flooded with
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foreign students taking American jobs. I don't agree with that. American jobs should be for American
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citizens. President Trump and I actually disagree with it. President Trump said a couple of months
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ago, he said, hey, uh, you know, on every, uh, college, every college graduate, right? And every
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graduate of a, of a community college should have a, um, should have a green card stapled to their
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diploma. Remember he said this, this was after he came back from having dinner with David Sachs and
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these billionaires out in the tech billionaires in San Francisco. He said every graduate, foreign student
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graduate and every graduate foreign student graduate from community college should have
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a green card attached to diploma. I said, president Trump on the show, I said, we have tremendous
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respect for you. We love you. We're at your base, but I've got another recommendation. I'd like to put
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an exit visa on every college graduate, foreign student that graduated from college here in 30 days
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to leave and go back home and help make their nation great again. And for, and we shouldn't take
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any foreign students in community colleges. That should be, that should be, that should be for
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American citizens, particularly for African Americans in, in, in Hispanics. You're never
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going to get, they're never going to get up the economic chain unless we do this.
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This whole thing about, oh, we want to get all this and they're only geniuses. That's H1B visas.
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That's not what it's about. It's about taking American jobs and bringing over essentially
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I'll become indentured servants at lower wages. Like I told those guys room, Hey, if you got an
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Einstein every 25 years, come to us, maybe we can make an exception for Einstein. Maybe if it's
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proven the whole thing's a scam, this thing's a scam by the oligarchs in Silicon Valley to basically
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take jobs from American citizens, give them to what become indentured servants, uh, from foreign
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countries and, uh, and, and then pay them less simple to let them into the, uh, to the, to the,
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through the golden door. Gavin wax. I gave that, uh, interview that kind of kicked this thing off.
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I think it's your gala, uh, a week or so ago, uh, that went viral. It was from the free press,
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Barry Weiss, the great free press. You've been on fire, brother. You're, you're like one of the,
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you know, you're like one of the, uh, you like Socrates in Athens. I mean, you've been on fire
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the last 24, 48 hours on this very topic. Uh, tell me what, what are we actually talking about?
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What, what is the real story here, Gavin? Well, we're talking about the heart of the MAGA
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movement. We're talking about the, uh, very core of president Trump's mandate and it is migration,
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both illegal and legal. Uh, and what we've seen has been a completely, uh, ridiculous shift for many
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people, including Vivek Ramaswamy, who ran on a campaign of ending the H1B racket, all of a
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sudden turn a new leaf, attack American culture, attack Americans, calling them lazy, calling them
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uneducated, calling them incapable of filling these jobs. When reality, as you mentioned in the open H1B
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is a scheme by these big tech companies for indentured servants. They bring over not the best and the
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brightest. They're bringing over entry-level positions, middle-level positions to fill their
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companies. They're paying pennies on the dollar. They're abusing these workers, giving them little
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to no benefits. They can fire them at any time and send them back home. It's basically modern
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indentured servitude. And in the meantime, we're losing hundreds of thousands of what used to be
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good paying middle-class or entry-level jobs, uh, for Americans, young Americans of all stripes and
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all backgrounds. It's absolutely disgusting. Uh, it's an insult to the American people and it needs to
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end. And I think they opened the floodgates, uh, yesterday on X with comments from many of these
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tech executives that showed their utter disdain, uh, for the American people, for the heartland,
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uh, for our culture. And this was really turning, uh, into a, uh, a class, uh, debate. It was turning
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into what you mentioned, elites versus the people, elites versus the populists. And they couldn't argue
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on the merits because at the end of the day, they simply don't want to pay, uh, American wages for
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American jobs. They want to pay Indian wages for Indian workers in American jobs. And that's
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disgrace. By the way, I'm one of the biggest proponents of India. I'm still the acting or
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interim chairman of the, uh, the Hindu Republican association. I have the greatest respect in the
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world for Modi and Modi is all about making his country great. He's probably the greatest
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nationalist on the world stage today. Uh, but I want to get back in a second. We'll come back to you
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about this jock culture versus valedictorian culture. I got news for the fact, the reason
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the United States is the United States is because of that, the can do attitude of the right stuff.
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And that is what is, we call jock culture. And that was personified in that, in that incredible,
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incredible movie. Come back in a second. You just hang right there. I want to bring Kikorian in
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because he knows the facts. Kikorian, Mark, correct me if I'm wrong. And if, uh, if my team can throw
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up the guardian story, I sent this morning, there's a guardian story in April of 17 that we finally
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got an executive order signed. And that's after three or four months of working every day on this
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thing by president Trump. Um, but that executive order kind of set us in the right direction, but never
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actually got executed. Give us the history just, just from the Trump era of the H1B visa and why this
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is still an issue today. Cause I thought we put this thing to bed. Cause here's my point. I want
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zero. When I was at Breitbart, we covered the story and of the Disney workers in Orlando that had to
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train the H1B visa folks coming in to take their jobs. And that, that thing went viral. It was one
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of the reasons president Trump won the Republican primary in 2016. And one of the major reasons he was
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president of these United States, Mark Kikorian from a CIS.
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Well, the, the place you got to start is that we, these H1B visas are supposedly temporary
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for skilled workers. The problem is we give them out by lottery. In other words,
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they're numerically capped. There's a, there's a certain, there's 85,000 of them a year, but we
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give them out randomly to people who submit, we get thousands of applications. And, and so what you end
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up with is a lot of mediocre talents. What president Trump did in that executive order that you had
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worked on was to say, okay, fellas and DHS come up with a regulation that gives them out, gives the
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visas out based on the highest salary first. In other words, the people that actually the companies
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say they value by offering them the most money, uh, that set that there was a, it sat in DHS for a long
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time. They were debating whether they were allowed to do this by law. Then they wrote the regulation
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and it just sat in the white house because regulations have to be approved within the office
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of management and budget. And you were there, not me, but as I understand it, people in the white
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house sat on that thing. It was finally, they finally pulled the trigger on it like a month before
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the end of the administration. And what happened is, is Biden just canceled the thing. So this obvious
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rule that would wipe out these companies that were used, you know, used like Disney visas, um,
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This was even a compromise inside the white house at first for folks like myself, the hardliners said,
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just do away with the entire program. There's other programs out there. If Einstein, if Einstein
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comes around, if Einstein comes around, you know, maybe we'll fit in, but I am, this is to me, the
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people that say, Oh, we got to suck up the best and the brightest from the world. I said, that's like
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imperialism. That's, that's imperialism because we have to allow and help these countries make them
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themselves great. Are you going to have a world on fire? One of the problems, you got all the
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capital and all the talent go to certain nodes, right? And the oligarchs feed off that, use these
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people as indentured servants. But even then, even then agreeing to the meritocracy point, President
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Trump pushed that when President Trump looked around, because remember he's flying 60,000 feet
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because he's running the fricking world. When he found out it wasn't done after the election,
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he said, what in the hell? And that's why in December, 2020, and folks, you remember this show
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in December, 2020, it was called war room impeachment. And we were, I know it was war,
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it was basically war room, but that was the firestorm of the election of stealing of the
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election. The pandemic was still there. President Trump had a couple of three things on his mind,
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but realize this has never been implemented, Mark. And that's why he said, get this thing done.
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I don't know how this thing got held up. And this is the thing about the people,
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not just the White House, but DHS and the administration, the administrative and deep
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state that don't want any changes. And they report to the easy money overlords on Wall Street
00:25:32.260
and the tech oligarchs. Kerkorian. Yeah. You know, I think the, you're showing right stuff
00:25:38.420
is actually a useful example because who helped with our rocket program? It was German scientists.
00:25:46.900
And so that's a real thing there. But we had a program to bring German scientists here to help
00:25:52.920
with that stuff. 15 years, over 15 years, you know how many people we brought here?
00:25:58.380
1,600 people, a little more than a hundred a year. That kind of tech immigration is actually
00:26:06.040
something that everybody's for. But what we're not, that's nothing like what we're doing now.
00:26:10.920
We're doing mass foreignization of our tech industries. And that's not, it's bad for American
00:26:18.240
workers. And it's also bad for American security because this is an essential national security area,
00:26:26.560
broadly, the whole tech area. And we're, you know, bringing, we're relying on foreign sources
00:26:33.500
of talent instead of growing our own talent. There's really no excuse for it.
00:26:38.020
It's no excuse for it. The reason they want to do it is they want to bring over indentured
00:26:43.940
servants that don't have the rights of Americans. They want to bring them over here
00:26:47.120
at lower wages and they fire American citizens. And my whole point, if these engineers, the rot is in
00:26:53.420
the engineering schools. Here's, instead of taking American citizens, African-Americans, Hispanics,
00:26:59.360
white working class into these engineering schools who are paying the, in particular, the land
00:27:03.860
grant universities, like schools I went to, where they're paying the state tuition. They take the
00:27:09.620
foreign students because the foreign governments are paying full freight. This is because these
00:27:14.060
deadbeat professors, right? And, and, and, and their retirement program, their tenure, that's how
00:27:20.120
they're paying for it. That's the gap. The whole thing, the entire thing from top to bottom is a total
00:27:25.500
scam, a total scam. We're going to talk about the right stuff. Kikorian brought in, hang on a second,
00:27:32.340
Mark, we're going to go to break. Uh, you brought a project paperclip. Wow. That's a live fire
00:27:36.800
exercise right there. Jack Posobiec, Gavin Wax, Raheem Kassam, Mark Kikorian on a Friday
00:27:42.960
in late December, 2024, in the war room. Back in a moment.
00:27:48.120
No more, no more, cause Jesus put the light in you. Little children in a straight line, don't fall
00:28:01.080
behind. Oh no, the television's only meant to indoctrinate the mind.
00:28:15.160
Okay. We got Mark Kikorian for the center for immigration studies. Uh, he is the best and the
00:28:20.480
brightest. We got Gavin Wax, the Gavin Wax, Raheem Kassam is on deck on Joyce in a moment. I got
00:28:26.240
Poso and Jack, thanks so much for doing this, taking time away from the family. I know you're
00:28:30.240
trying to take a couple of days off. Um, you've got a great new, great new podcast on. Okay. I love
00:28:37.420
what to talk about that for a second. What this is a, uh, a firefight. I want your assessment,
00:28:43.420
particularly the right stuff of what really made America great. Cause that's what, that's
00:28:47.360
what MAG is about is the right stuff. And, and, and also I hate to bring a sore subject to you and
00:28:52.880
Darren Beattie cause you're fan boys, the free speech absolutists. I don't know, man. So tell me,
00:28:59.740
give me the right stuff post. So first, then we'll talk about free speech absolutism.
00:29:05.020
Well, Steve, let me just say this. This isn't a firefight. I saw Axios this morning, describing
00:29:09.860
it as a civil war stuff, firefight. This isn't a civil war. This is a clarification. We are
00:29:16.180
clarifying a few things. What does America first actually mean? Does America first mean something
00:29:23.260
based on, I don't know, spreadsheets? Does it mean an abstract number that people can pluck out of
00:29:28.520
some studies somewhere? No, no, no, absolutely not. America first means the American people
00:29:35.000
first. I want to be very clear about that because it seems like some people still do not get this
00:29:40.900
even after all these years. America first means the American people first. We are not vaccine first.
00:29:49.040
We are not tech company first. We are not military industrial complex first. No, we are American
00:29:58.000
people first. That is what the nationalist populist movement underpinning MAGA is all about. All right.
00:30:06.060
So make sure you understand that if you want to come to the party, if you want to walk in the door,
00:30:10.780
just understand where you're coming in, that if you come over here and try to tell us America first
00:30:15.740
means something else at you're wrong. And look, you know, going back to what makes America, America,
00:30:20.980
America was made by the pioneers. America was made by the adventurers. America was Neil Armstrong.
00:30:26.760
America was the Wild West. America was settling man. Here's a couple of words for you. Manifest
00:30:34.480
destiny. Yeah, we are going to talk manifest destiny. We talk Greenland. We can talk Panama.
00:30:39.060
Let's talk Canada, too, while we're at it. We'll talk all of it. But understand something that this
00:30:44.420
is the country of adventurers, of explorers, of pioneers, which, by the way, that pioneering includes
00:30:50.820
pushing out into space. And that's why so many people have been supportive of SpaceX and Elon Musk
00:30:57.880
and so many other things. But at the bottom line is we are not going to lose sight of the American
00:31:04.380
people that we are fighting for. The MAGA movement would not exist without the immigration debate,
00:31:09.940
period, full stop. If the immigration debate did not exist, then you could have President Jeb Bush.
00:31:15.220
And I think maybe some of these guys would be totally fine with President Jeb Bush. You know,
00:31:18.720
it's interesting, Steve, to me, by the way, that the CEOs and the Marxists seem to have the exact
00:31:23.960
same immigration policy. I wonder why that is. I wonder why that could be. It's very strange to me.
00:31:29.240
But look, this is about the people who have fought for this land, who have died for this land,
00:31:34.580
who have gone overseas, who have been lied to in some cases, like the global war on terror,
00:31:38.920
but the people who actually have bones in the ground here and fought for this country. That's
00:31:45.520
what it's about. And so anyway, and by the way, we are the most welcoming country in the world. We're
00:31:49.260
the most charitable country in the world. But don't sit there and tell me that we can't compete if we
00:31:53.640
can't be importing cheap labor from overseas, because it ain't true and it never was.
00:31:58.540
I just want to give a little bit of precision that it was a great, great riff there. It's American
00:32:05.140
citizens first, just like in the Roman Republic. It's citizenship. Yes. You're an American citizen,
00:32:10.360
you get a special deal. You get a special deal. You're not treated like garbage, like Biden said,
00:32:15.460
or like the tech oligarchs want to treat you like garbage. Remember what happened in Disney?
00:32:19.680
Remember what happens, all these things. And this is a whole bald-faced lie. Oh, we need the,
00:32:24.240
we need the Einsteins. Yo, if Einstein shows up somehow, just like Wanner von Braun,
00:32:29.640
give me the rockets. We'll figure out. The CIA will work on project paperclip deuce to get that
00:32:37.180
guy in here. It has nothing to do with that. That is a total scam. And Raheem and Will Upton over at
00:32:44.180
National Pulse have done a magnificent piece on that. Corcoran's got some other stuff about
00:32:48.780
American labor we want to get to in a second. But Gavin, I want to get to this jock culture versus
00:32:53.180
valedictorian culture. Valedictorian culture, dude, we tried that. That's what these,
00:32:57.980
these, these weirdos, and that's where there's a collection of weirdos, right? From Silicon Valley,
00:33:03.400
right? Tried to run the country into Biden's thing. They've had, they've had at it for four
00:33:08.220
years. They got old-time religion with Trump because they saw the tectonic plate shift and
00:33:13.360
they converted or quasi-converted. And we love, we love converts. We love converts. But like any
00:33:19.280
convert, you kind of want them sitting in the back couple of aisles to make sure this conversion
00:33:23.020
actually takes, they don't come up and lead the, they don't come up and lead the congregation
00:33:27.940
in the first week. Gavin Wax, what is your big problem with, with Vivek's valedictorian culture
00:33:35.360
versus Jack culture, sir? Well, listen, it was a total masks off moment for Vivek. He wasn't
00:33:42.260
talking about the substance of H-1B. He wasn't talking about how it's a scheme to bring over,
00:33:47.360
you know, $20,000 a year cooks or $30,000 a year plumbers. He tried to deflect the entire thing
00:33:53.660
and ridicule American culture, American children, how they're raised, how they're brought up,
00:33:59.860
talking about, you know, free time, talking about hobbies, talking about sleepovers,
00:34:04.220
talking about popular sitcoms from the 90s. It was a very angry screed. It was completely anti-American
00:34:11.040
in its nature. It's a complete shift from the guy that, you know, put on a cowboy hat and wore an
00:34:16.280
American flag vest on the campaign trail. And it just screams of a phoniness and this condescending
00:34:23.540
arrogance that's prevalent among these tech oligarchs and their allies in politics, such
00:34:29.320
as Vivek. I mean, American culture does not need to be fixed. We, that's our largest export as
00:34:34.260
American culture. That's our greatest value is our culture, our freedoms, and the way that we are
00:34:39.140
brought up in an environment where you can be creative, where you could be dynamic, where you can
00:34:42.800
have fun, where you can have a life. You know, we don't need to imitate the East and these tiger moms
00:34:47.580
and this, this insane utilitarian soulless culture where everyone's just focused from the moment
00:34:53.140
they're born to increase shareholder value or to pump up the GDP on the margins and to increase
00:34:59.680
productivity. That's not what drives innovation. Innovation that gave birth to Silicon Valley,
00:35:05.320
that gave birth to the American tech industry, was created out of American generations who grew up,
00:35:11.420
you know, in the hippie movement and grew up, you know, loving all these different facets of
00:35:16.080
American culture, American suburban culture. It did not get born in an Indian slum. It didn't get born
00:35:22.440
in a tenement, in a communist block tenement outside Beijing. It got born in California during,
00:35:29.980
you know, the height of Pax Americana. And that's what we need to return to. We need to return to America
00:35:35.060
looking like a John Hughes movie and not looking like some dystopian hellscape future over, you know,
00:35:41.660
ruled over by technocrats who are bringing in a new underclass of American slave laborers who are
00:35:47.680
bringing down our wages, who are bringing down our cost of living, our quality of living and driving up
00:35:53.020
our cost of living. Meanwhile, giving an entire new voting block to the Marxists like Bill de Blasio,
00:35:58.520
who want to send this country even further down the path of third worldism. So Vivek has it totally
00:36:03.500
upside down, totally wrong. It makes everyone question what whatever he was saying on the
00:36:08.860
campaign trail, if it was true, if it was if it was not true, if it was wrong, if he was being
00:36:13.200
legitimate. But again, don't let them gaslight you. Don't let them lie and smear Americans. This has nothing
00:36:18.800
to do with bringing the cream of the crop top tier talent. They're bringing in plumbers. They're bringing
00:36:24.560
in cooks. They're hiring people for sixty thousand dollar entry level jobs that should be going to
00:36:29.020
young Americans. They're hiring people for middle management jobs at one hundred thousand. That should be
00:36:32.920
going for three hundred thousand, whatever it may be, undercutting Americans. If you want the top
00:36:37.820
talent, you get the O-1 visa. That's going to bring in the Einsteins. OK, and we can bring those people
00:36:42.160
in. We can bring in fifteen hundred over fifteen years like Operation Paperclip. It's honestly
00:36:47.020
incredible that the tech pros are now, you know, the biggest advocates of bringing over Nazi scientists.
00:36:52.500
I never thought I'd see the day. But listen, this is an issue that is, again, the core of the MAGA
00:36:58.280
agenda. We're going after it hard. We need to push back on it hard because if they win, we lose.
00:37:04.920
And Gavin, you've been pushing back hard. Just hang on for a second because I want to get to this whole
00:37:08.220
thing about shutting you guys down. And Laura Loomer is going to join us in the in the next hour.
00:37:12.960
This whole thing, though, even about the Einsteins, you got to be very careful. This is his imperialistic mindset
00:37:17.320
that we don't need, you know, this whole thing. You've got to take every best embrace throughout the world.
00:37:22.580
They've got to be here. If you do that, the world's going to be a bigger nightmare and we're going to
00:37:26.720
have it's going to be an absolute disaster. Hang on one second. Kerkorian, just walk me through
00:37:30.700
H-1B visas, plus these new reports you've got out. You're the best guy to actually say
00:37:35.620
how the how the corporatists and the tech oligarchs and the lords of easy money on Wall Street.
00:37:42.580
One of their biggest focus is to make sure Americans don't have jobs, right, because they think
00:37:48.400
Americans demand too many high wages. So they want to bring in the rest of the world to compete with
00:37:53.000
them, sir. Well, they're using immigration basically to discipline Americans and not be uppity and not
00:38:01.160
ask for high wages. And it actually starts well before you get to H-1Bs. It starts by the mass
00:38:07.560
admission of foreign students in universities, which is unlimited. There are no numerical caps on that.
00:38:14.800
And then when they graduate, if they graduated in a STEM field, science and tech, they get three years
00:38:23.620
of a supposed internship. So they they're basically masquerading as students on a student visa when
00:38:31.340
they're actually just foreign workers trying to get an H-1B visa. And then they spend the whole time on an
00:38:37.060
H-1B visa, which is temporary, supposedly trying to get a green card. So really to deal with this,
00:38:44.260
you need to go upstream and limit the admission of foreign students, especially in these sensitive
00:38:51.740
fields, but really, frankly, in any field, because otherwise you end up putting in setting in place.
00:38:58.180
But this pipeline that ends up displacing Americans, they still get jobs. It's not like this increases the
00:39:05.360
unemployment rate. What it does is push Americans into other fields. So they become lawyers or accountants
00:39:12.120
or something else, which are perfectly honorable things to do. But we need to be growing domestic
00:39:18.260
tech talent, which we did, for instance, after Sputnik in the late 50s. The Russians sent up the
00:39:25.880
first satellite. We all freaked out. Schools went big, big into tech education in high in elementary school,
00:39:35.920
high school, high school, college. And the result was, along with a little dash of Werner von Braun,
00:39:42.060
was landing on the moon. That's the model we need to follow. A little bit of a handful of genuine
00:39:48.600
Einsteins, but helping out a broad, domestically developed workforce.
00:39:54.600
Real quickly, just hit that. It's 1.1 million foreign students. And, you know, I don't mind
00:40:01.980
people maybe come over some limited bases at college, but then immediately they got to leave.
00:40:06.020
Just talk about the scam. When they come, one, they're shoving people out because they're not
00:40:10.000
getting training. But a lot of these folks never leave, Mark.
00:40:13.620
Yeah, they don't. I mean, for a lot of people. Now, people from developed countries, generally speaking,
00:40:18.940
do go back if, you know, we're getting students from England or Japan or Korea. But especially those
00:40:25.840
from India and China use foreign students, be being a foreign student, as a way to live here
00:40:34.000
permanently. And, you know, they are, even though they're paying full freight, they're still subsidized
00:40:40.220
because universities don't have to pay taxes. They're subsidized by the taxpayer, even if they're
00:40:45.920
private universities. And that's a resource. Training at our top universities is a vital resource.
00:40:55.520
And what we're doing is we are devoting that resource to people from overseas instead of
00:41:03.220
developing our own talent. And we've got plenty of it here.
00:41:08.900
Mark, real quickly, where do people go to get these new reports? You guys are putting out the
00:41:13.180
best information still where they go, because this is going to this is this is just the top
00:41:17.920
of the first thing on this issue. We're online at C.I.S. dot O.R.G. Center for Immigration
00:41:24.040
Studies, C.I.S. dot org. And if people who like snark and sarcasm can find me on Twitter,
00:41:30.220
I'd spell the X, but it's pronounced Twitter at Mark S. as in Stephen, Mark S. Krikorian.
00:41:37.400
Brother, you're the best. Todd Benzman, Mark Krikorian, brother Arthur over there. Just fantastic.
00:41:48.160
OK, short break. Gavin's going to stick with us. We got Poso. X pronounced Twitter. I don't know,
00:41:55.460
man. Free speech absolutism. Is it a real thing? We're going to ask Gavin Wax, Jack Posobiec,
00:42:03.460
Raheem Kassam's going to join us, Laura Loomer, all next in the War Room.
00:42:14.760
So, wow, D.C. Drano's dropped by the War Room. We're going to hit D.C. on in a moment
00:42:19.980
with Gavin Wax, Jack Posobiec. I guess it's Jack Day. Jack Posobiec, your thoughts. I want to get to
00:42:25.900
this. What's happened over at Twitter, formerly known as X, to suppress the voices of Gavin Wax,
00:42:34.020
and Laura Loomer and D.C. Drano and yourself, sir. What's going on?
00:42:39.020
Yeah, look, I would love to know what's going on because I was told that Twitter was the free
00:42:44.840
speech arm of the free speech party. I was told that Twitter was PVP. Let's have at it. Vox
00:42:50.460
Populi, Vox Dei. Vox Populi, Vox Dei. And then all of a sudden, you know, people are posting polls.
00:42:56.640
People are posting stats. People are going back and forth. They're having the dialogue. They're
00:43:00.660
having it out. Yeah, it gets a little heated. Of course, it gets a little heated. But we were
00:43:03.960
told that was the point. And now all of a sudden, it feels like there's a rug pulling operation going
00:43:08.460
on, kind of like the Haktua girl with their little Haktua coin down there. And suddenly it's like,
00:43:13.160
oh, whoa, whoa, no, not for you guys. No, not for you guys. You guys get and people get losing their
00:43:18.160
check marks. Oh, and Troyer too, by the way, from the great, the great info wars, the other war room
00:43:23.560
out there. And also losing his blue check. And people are trying to figure out what's going on.
00:43:28.200
What's how is this all happening at the same time? And it's if it's predicated on its H1B situation that
00:43:34.340
I'd really like to know why, because I see China. They say, oh, we're losing to China. We're losing to
00:43:39.740
guess what? China ain't migrating all of these tech workers in. They're just doing it by building
00:43:45.660
up their own people and then bringing some temporary professors over from the U.S. And yeah,
00:43:49.660
they're stealing it. Of course they are. But you know what? Xi Jinping knows that if he starts screwing
00:43:53.960
over the Chinese people on mass, he's going to be the first one that gets strung up. And by the way,
00:43:59.460
this whole idea of, you know, the nerds versus the valedictorians and the jocks and all this.
00:44:03.840
Look, look, we turned the entire country over to the valedictorians during COVID. We tried rule by
00:44:12.800
nerd. It was not good to say the least. It was horrific. It was a catastrophic failure. COVID is
00:44:21.180
all of the argument, the test, the experiment has been run. It was a devastating failure. So please
00:44:28.900
don't sit there and tell me that this is how we have to reorient American culture. And by the way,
00:44:34.260
by the way, you know who did really well during COVID? The bodybuilders, the jocks, the gym rats.
00:44:40.040
Those guys did great. Yeah, because they stood up and said they're not going to close down the
00:44:46.340
gyms, not going to wear these masks. Hang on one second. By the way, you think it's turbulent
00:44:51.080
the last couple of days? This is going to get a lot more heated, I think, and a lot more turbulent,
00:44:56.780
particularly look at capital markets, birchgold.com, the end of the dollar empire,
00:45:02.240
birchgold.com slash bannon. Get the modern monetary theory. We're going to get you smart on H1B visas
00:45:09.940
and all the immigration scams they try to run, but also the monetary scams, modern monetary theory,
00:45:17.000
the idea that broke the world because we got $300 trillion of global debt and we're about to have
00:45:23.400
a big margin call, folks. You're going to be ringside for that and you're going to be the
00:45:27.540
smartest guy in the room. Gavin Wax, this whole, how does this, how do we take this, since they're
00:45:34.220
suppressing your guys' voices, how do we move this conversation forward to tell folks we've had
00:45:40.640
rule by nerd, we're not going back there, America is based upon the right stuff, and the superpower,
00:45:45.780
the young woman at the beginning of the, the coal opens wrong. Our superpower are American citizens.
00:45:53.000
They're the ones throughout for every patriot's grave, back to the beginning of the revolution,
00:45:57.400
have fought for this country, stood up for this country, and bequeathed this country to us,
00:46:02.220
Brother Wax. Yeah, listen, I mean, you're right on the nose there, Steve. We are a country,
00:46:08.020
after all. We are a nation. We are a people. We're not just an economic zone. We're not just a place
00:46:12.280
that you can extract wealth from and send it back home. This is a place that's built up by families,
00:46:17.380
communities, neighborhoods, towns, states, and these are real people. And what has happened over
00:46:21.820
the last few decades, the last generation or so, is we've opened our borders. We've flooded this
00:46:26.460
country with illegal and legal migrants, suppressing our wages. We've flooded this country with drugs,
00:46:31.580
with, with opiates. We've sent tons of jobs, good middle-class, working-class jobs overseas.
00:46:37.060
Then we told everyone in these small towns, these forgotten towns, I'm here in Western PA right now,
00:46:42.300
tons of towns around here that have been left behind by the federal government.
00:46:45.240
We told these same people, hey, why don't you go learn to code? Why don't you learn to program?
00:46:50.660
That'll get you a job. Get off your lazy ass and go do some work. They go, they go into the STEM,
00:46:55.680
they go learn, they go get in tons of debts to get these degrees. They expect a well-paying job
00:47:00.860
waiting for them on the other side. And what do they get instead? They're at best training their
00:47:05.020
replacement before they get fired, or they're basically told, no, we're not going to hire you. And
00:47:09.600
that's also under this nexus of DEI, which is completely taken over the entire HR industry in
00:47:17.460
this country. And they are basically telling people, no, you're not going to be getting these
00:47:21.580
jobs. If you're a white male, you're not going to be getting these jobs. If you're a native born
00:47:25.500
American, you're not going to be getting these jobs. If you expect a decent wage, you're only
00:47:29.260
going to be getting these jobs. If you're working 80 hours a week for 40 hours of pay, it's an incredible
00:47:33.980
slogan that they're advertising. But if that is what it is, it looks like someone's calling the
00:47:41.880
Gavin, social media, where do people follow you today before you kicked off Twitter? How do people
00:47:48.800
Well, I'm not kicked off yet, thankfully, but I did lose my blue check. It's very weird. I've
00:47:53.600
been paying and supporting X since Elon took over. I've been generally very much a fan of Elon.
00:47:59.180
So what's happened in recent days is very concerning, to say the least. I think it just
00:48:03.660
goes to show we really struck a nerve with this. But you could follow me at Gavin Wax on X, formerly
00:48:08.720
known as Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, all the rest. I've been putting out a lot of content about
00:48:12.600
this. I'm going to be doing an article very soon for The National Pulse and Raheem Kassam talking
00:48:16.500
about this H-1B racket, talking about the student visa racket, talking about how legal, quote-unquote
00:48:22.380
legal mass migration is just as horrible for this country and our future as the illegal
00:48:29.080
immigration. It's two sides of the same coin. So we've got to tackle it. We've got to push back.
00:48:33.700
This is the mandate for MAGA, and we can't surrender it.
00:48:38.260
This is the great realignment that could be like 1932. That's how many people have not been on our
00:48:43.260
side before, are on our side. And then you've got people that may be on our side, but are really
00:48:47.320
not on our side. You've got to sort it all out. He's lost the blue check, but he's still special.
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We've got to bring in these unions. I mean, they know what they're talking about. We need
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good, middle-class, working-class jobs that you could support a family on. You can own a house
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coming over here. They're getting on-the-job training, and they're screwing over Americans
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coming from the top schools. So it's not a matter of merit. It's a matter of cheapening wages.
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Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Some of the, IIT and some of the schools are pretty good,
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