Episode 4156： MAGA Refuses To Kneel To Technocrats
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In his clash with the far right over immigration, Elon Musk is now going after the hardliners, the very heart of the MAGA base, labeling them just a few hours ago as contemptible fools who must be removed from the Republican Party. Musk now finds himself pitted against the likes of Steve Bannon.
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battle that's underway in Trump world that we laid out for you here last night is only
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escalating even further today. In his clash with the far right over immigration, Elon Musk is now
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going after the hardliners, the very heart of the MAGA base, labeling them just a few hours ago as
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contemptible fools who must be removed from the Republican Party root and stem. Musk now finds
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himself pitted against the likes of Steve Bannon, however, Trump's former White House aide who came
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out against Musk's push for H-1B visas, which allow highly skilled foreign workers into the U.S.
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and has long been the lifeblood of Silicon Valley. H-1B visas, that's not what it's about.
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It's about taking American jobs and bringing over essentially become indentured servants at lower
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wages. This thing's a scam by the oligarchs in Silicon Valley to basically take jobs from American
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citizens, give them to what become indentured servants from foreign countries, and then pay
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them less. Simple. To let them into the, through the golden door. Now Bannon's comments align him
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with people like the far right activist Laura Loomer, who has been bashing Musk for days now on this and
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is even accusing him of censoring her on his own platform. She is the anti-immigrant Trump ally who
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is now claiming that her blue checkmark was removed, her subscriptions were deactivated,
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her character limits for tweets and posts on X were limited for what she says is quote,
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raising concerns and speaking the truth about the technocratic takeover of our country in the White
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House. The workforce now I'm also against, I'm also for big restrictions on legal immigration until,
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until Silicon Valley, until these places have, I don't know, 20% African American and 20% Hispanic and,
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and kids that can go to college and every college you go to, every engineering school you go to,
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is flooded with foreign students taking American jobs. I don't agree with that. American jobs should
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be for American citizens. President Trump and I actually disagree with it. President Trump said,
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a couple of months ago, he said, hey, you know, on every college, every college graduate, right? And every
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graduate of a, of a community college should have a, should have a green card staple to their diploma.
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Remember he said this, this was after he came back from having dinner with David Sachs and these
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billionaires out in the tech billionaires in San Francisco. He said, every graduate, foreign student
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graduate, and every graduate, foreign student graduate from community college should have a
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green card attached to their diploma. I said, President Trump on the show, I said, we have tremendous
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respect for you. We love you. We're at your base. But I've got another recommendation.
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I'd like to put an exit visa on every college graduate, foreign student that graduated from
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college here in 30 days to leave and go back home and help make their nation great again.
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And for, and we shouldn't take any foreign students in community colleges. That should be,
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that should be, that should be for American citizens, particularly for African Americans and,
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and, and Hispanics. You're never going to get, they're never going to get up the economic
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chain unless we do this. I think it's also important to understand the guy that controls
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the central social media platform for the MAGA movement. Right. And if, if, if Elon decides,
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as he's showing with these small ball, these small fries, like, like Loomer and, and Cernovich and,
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and Owen Schroyer, all those folks taking away their verification, taking away their, their
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monetization. If he, if he's willing to put his thumb on the scale, he's in, he's all in favor of
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free speech for himself. And he bought it. If he controls that platform, he can cause Trump a lot more
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pressure than, than Laura Loomer and these other, these other, you know, ranters can cause. But I do think
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it's important to remember that the populist movement that's been telling Republican voters for a
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generation, probably arguably two generations, that immigration is the cause of almost all the
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evils in their life. I think, uh, you know, Molly and Eugene are both right. He's going to be hearing
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this from those grassroots folks, and it will cause a tension with Elon that I don't think is
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reconcilable. And I'm, I'm much closer to Elon Musk on the policy issue here than I am, you know,
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even remotely with Laura Loomer about any of this stuff. But one of the ironies of all this is that
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all of these people across the spectrum, they rode this populist tide in claiming that
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establishment Republicans and conservative establishment and the old Reaganite crowd,
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the old national view crowd, they don't know anything. And all the answers are super easy.
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And we know exactly what to do. And then it turns out they come in and it turns out this stuff is
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really complicated. H1B program is complicated for how you reform it. How do you expand it? What do you
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do you do about chain migration? And the serious people were all pushed aside in favor of all of
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these populist yahoos from Steve Bannon on down. And now they're the dog that caught the car and
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they don't know how to do any of this policy because they haven't done any of the legwork on it.
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Yeah. And look, obviously a lot of people also pointing out, saying basically, dude,
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you just kind of joined the MAGA universe pretty recently. But look, I think,
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what is he being entitled? But if I'm Musk, I'm less worried maybe about Laura Loomer than I am about
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who you showed earlier, Steve Bannon. Because, you know, so much of the culture, so much of the
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MAGA universe flows downward from what Bannon says on that program every day. And he has,
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when I say an online army around him, he really does, of many MAGA influencers with many, many
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millions of followers. And, you know, we've kind of heard this terms, internal MAGA civil war go
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around a lot the past 24 hours. But that really seems to be what's playing out. And I will just say,
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you know, conservatives, Republicans have been very excited to have
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Musk running X for the last two years. This is the first time we're really seeing Musk
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going
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medieval on these people. Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying
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about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know
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you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA media.
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Saturday, 28 December in the year of our Lord, 2024. And I want to thank
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Robin Parker Sig for making. Normally during the holidays, we want to allow our Denver team
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of Real America's Voice that helps us do all the production in the show, along with our War Room
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production team to take a few days off. Normally we would pre-record the Saturday show on this last
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weekend so people would have a longer day off. I want to thank the Denver team for coming in today
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because of the press of news and events. I want to read something. And we got a post,
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I think, by phone. Dave Bratz with us. Raheem's going to join in a minute. Darren Beattie.
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Let me just state this. The HB1 visas, I've been working on this for 10 years. It's very hard
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because this is central. It's not just central to the economics of what they do in Silicon Valley.
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The hate America crowd, and they hate America, the hate America crowd there. And when I say hate
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America, they hate the United States of America, the nation state of America and American citizens.
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They believe in some sort of techno-feudal situation like was in Italy back, I don't know,
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in the 14th and 15th century. These kind of city-states. What they want is a network. They
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want a network where they're like a city-state, control the network. And there's a bunch of serfs
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that work for them. Not American citizens, but serfs, indentured servants. That's what they want.
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And that's, they're not going to get that. We're going to win this fight. If you think that this
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audience in the MAGA movement, the hoplites, the grundoons, the fixed bayonet crowd that fought
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the steal of 2020 and then had President Trump's back in the darkest days of 21 and were with him the
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entire time, particularly because he was right on the basic issues that were causing the destruction
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of our beloved republic, are going to now, after a massive come from behind victory, overwhelming
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victory, just sit there and roll over why the country's torn apart by oligarchs. It's not going
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to happen. And I always give full respect to Elon. Elon was absolutely central. Elon understood that
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this was about getting out low propensity, low information voters, and that the army of people
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from the turning points and from War Room and other groups, you guys that were, you know, did the
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election integrity and then did all the door-to-door canvassing and get the vote, that, you know,
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you were essential. He did write the check and that gets him to see the table. I said that from the
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beginning, although I fundamentally disagree with him on major issues like the Chinese Communist Party,
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like transhumanism and like the situation around immigration, but they're going to make this bold.
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Let me just restate something. As a fact, the H-1B visa program is a total and complete scam
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from its top to the bottom. And Elon's put out this tweet that, you know, all his companies have
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depended upon that. Now, we'll go dig out the information from public documents and just put,
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I'd like you to publish, we would like you to publish every engineer that you've brought in
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on H-1B visa and let us determine, let's just see the information and see if American citizens
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could not fill those billets. You're going to find, we still haven't seen, you know,
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if all this going on, have they come forward with any examples? One example from David Sachs to
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Vivek Ramaswamy to Elon Musk to any of them. Have they come up with examples of these Einsteins
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that could not, the job could not be done by American citizen? American citizens come first.
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The problem this country in the last 40, 50 years is not just America hasn't come first,
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it's America last, it's American citizens last. And guess what? You provide, you provide
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the social structure, you provide the underpinnings. You are Burke's little platoons.
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As I say over and over again, in the Lions Club, in the Kiwanis Club, in the churches,
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in the Little Leagues, in the cops, in the teachers, in all of it, the PTAs, all of it.
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That's stability that is underneath American society. And that society is what we generate,
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what we call the right stuff, because it comes from grit, it comes from determination, it comes from
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some, you know, you can't even put your finger on it, but you know if somebody's got it.
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Somebody call that jock culture. What Vivek's arguing for is to go to valedictorian, you know,
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bro, we've seen the world, we've seen the world what happens to go to valedictorian
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culture. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not having rule by nerds.
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This is not the other day about having all the greatest engineers. It's very important. Don't
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get me wrong. We're at the cutting edge of innovation. We still have more innovation in
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this country. Why do you think the Chinese Communist Party is over here stealing? The
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only reason they're even close to being competitive is our capital has financed it and they've stolen
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our technology. They didn't develop that. They stole 95% of it, either from funny joint ventures
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or just from people working there. Why are these great companies not coming to India? Why are these
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great companies not coming? Because of the social stability and the innovation that comes as a blessing
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of liberty. Back to every patriot's grave to the revolution. That is the DNA of this country,
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this nation, a nation with borders, a nation with customs and tradition, a nation with flaws. We're
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not perfect. The motto that President Trump put out is make America great again. We hearken back to our
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greatest days. We hearken back to that spirit of innovation and just cussedness and toughness and grit
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that. That got us through so much from number one that that basically through the whole continent
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was able to build a nation in a civilization out of a vast wilderness.
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That's what this fight's about. And, and Elon's here with this latest thing last night, this latest
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the reason I'm in America, I'm quoting from this, the re I tell you what, we're going to wait.
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I'm going to end this segment from Tom Wolf's book and Kaufman's movie, the right stuff.
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And I strongly recommend you watch that film between now and January 1st, an understated classic
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of the grit and determination and innovation of America at her finest.
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Now, we're not going to lose this fight, folks. We've faced longer odds before. We are not going to
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lose this fight. This program's a scam. It's an economic and financial scam, but it's got a dark
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underpinning of a hatred. And I'm saying a hatred of American citizens and our beloved Republic.
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You're going to have to climb over our dead bodies to defeat us. We will never, ever, ever give up, ever.
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This whole canard about racism and Rahim will join us to say racism is about the Indian people. I have
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the utmost respect for the civilization of India, for the Vedanta and the Gita and the philosophy,
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much of the philosophy, although I'm a Catholic and a Christian. I can appreciate the depth of their
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understanding of the human condition. There's no leader in the world that's as tough a nationalist
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as Modi has done an amazing job in that country, and my admiration for them goes deeply, deep, and what
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they've accomplished in the United States is profound. It's not about that. When you talk about racism,
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let's be blunt, it's racism against blacks, Hispanic, and the white working class.
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They think people, these tech oligarchs, and what they want is they want a tech feudalism.
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You have to go back to the Middle Ages, to the Renaissance. This is what they want.
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They want a network. They don't want a nation. They want a network of which their company or their system
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or their algorithm is at the railhead. We've had rule by nerds, as Poso pointed out yesterday.
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It did not work, and we're never going back to that. I want to read from Elon Musk last night,
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of which I've been the strongest advocate that Elon was a central part of Trump's victory,
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right? And particularly being smart enough using his engineer's brain to understand it was about
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to get out the vote canvassing and low-propensity, low-information voters.
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Elon said last night, and Raheem will jump in here in a moment with Poso and go through some
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other even nastier tweets he put up last night about MAGA being racist, which is the last refuge of a
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scoundrel in modern politics to quote Andrew Breitbart via Johnson, right? This last night,
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if we put it up on the screen, I'd appreciate it. This is Elon Musk. The reason I'm in America,
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along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made
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America strong is because of H-1B. Take a big step back and F yourself, all caps, in the face.
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F yourself in the face. I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly
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comprehend. Oh yeah, tough guy? You're going to go to war on the likes of which you cannot
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possibly comprehend. You're a man-child, to be blunt. I hate to make it personal, but what you have
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done is try to trash individuals punching down. Remember the first rule of gladiator school, bro,
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don't punch down. Either punch a peer or punch up. I responded last night, someone please notify
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child protective services need to do a wellness check on this toddler. I hate to be snarky,
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but I think the moment called for it. People are coming, oh, you got to take the temperature down. No,
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we're not going to take the temperature down. We're not going to take the temperature down. Oh no,
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no. Oh no. Oh no. We do not. It's no backing down. It's doubling down. It's no retreat. It's
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fixed bayonets and it's advance. And it's not surrender. It's victory. We're going to win this.
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Let me repeat. The H-1B visa program is a total and complete scam concocted by the lords of easy
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money on wall street, uh, and the oligarchs in Silicon Valley to both initially to just
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increase profit margins. But there's a darker element to it today, a contempt of America and
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American citizens. And we're not going to tolerate it. You need to honor this country and you need to
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honor the citizens in this country. The citizens in this country are what provided the platform
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for you nerds even to exist. Because in the predatory nature, the Darwinian environment of
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the world as it is, you would have already been crushed and destroyed.
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I want to bring in Jack Posobiec. Jack, I know you're by phone. I thank you for taking time away
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from the family on a weekend you were trying to take off. Uh, give me your thoughts of where we
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stand in this fight right now. And I want folks, anybody coming to me and saying, you got to put down,
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you got to put down, you got to put down the thing and you got to reach some sort of accommodation
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rapprochement. It's not going to happen. If history shows us anything, it's advanced. We are going to
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win this. We are going to win this. They are going to surrender. They are not going to continue to
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destroy American citizens and American engineering by this scam. And this is a total, let me repeat,
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if you didn't get it, it's a total and complete scam. Not on the margin, a total and complete. And I,
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and I recommend right now that Eli back it up right there with all the geniuses,
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all the Einsteins that came in, let's see the record. Let's see the resumes and let's just,
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let's, let's the American people see, and they decide whether American citizens with degrees,
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uh, and, and experience couldn't have filled those billets. Jack Posobiec.
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Hey Steve, how are you? And, uh, you know, good Saturday morning to the war room posse.
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And, uh, I'll put it this way. I brought my sons to see the RNC this past summer over there in
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Milwaukee and they saw president Trump. And I think their favorite was probably Hulk Hogan.
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I got to admit, it was probably my favorite too. But when JD Vance got up there on the stage,
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JD Vance gave a full throated endorsement of the idea that the next American government would not be
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about looking abroad to help foreign people to go and get involved in foreign wars,
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to go abroad in search of monsters. And oh, by the way, JD Vance said unequivocally that we will no
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longer be importing cheap foreign labor into this country, that ours will be a movement focused on
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the American people first. And JD Vance, more than I think anybody else in the entire movement,
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can point to the fact that he himself is an example that you could come out of the most
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austere conditions, the most austere conditions that this country has to offer. And yet you could
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still go on to have that innate talent. As you said yesterday, the superpower of the United States
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is the American citizen. Look, when we went to the moon, they, they got a couple of corn fed guys
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from Ohio and they launched them up there with less technology than you have in like a TI 83
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calculator. And they pointed a joystick up at it and said, Hey, yeah, it's the big circle one.
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Aim for that. And they strapped a rocket on and they went for it to beat the Russians, to beat the
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commies. Like that is the United States of America that we're supposed to be about period, full stop.
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And all of them, look, you've got people now. I've got my guys. They're out there in full force.
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They're digging through the H1B databases and they're not going to stop just because some company
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donated to Republicans or donated to Trump. They're digging up everything. And by the way,
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they're going into the RNC. They're going into heritage. They're going into anyone who's applying
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for these H1B visas and saying, are you really sure that you couldn't find a, a, an American to be an
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accountant, to be a janitor? These are not the types of jobs with this quote unquote 0.1 high
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skill. These are the types of jobs that you are importing foreign labor for so you can undercut
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the American worker. And that's what it's always been about. But you're also the engineers. I'm not
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buying the engineering thesis. I want to see it. Elon makes the case. I didn't bring this up. Elon did
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that all his companies are replete with these, including himself. Let's see it. Let's see it.
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Let's just see it. Let's just see it. Get the information to us. Let's see if these engineers
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are so special. No, you get indentured servitude of these basic coders because that's what you're
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paying them. The numbers are out there. Coders and you work like slave labor. I got it. It's not
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acceptable here in the United States of America, but I got what you're, I got the business model. I worked
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on Goldman Sachs. I can understand the math here. It's pretty straightforward, but there's a darker,
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much deeper and darker kind of fraternity mentality. The contempt that Vivek Ramaswamy
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put in that thing about American culture. And I'm not saying American culture, hey, it ain't where we
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want to be. It's gone through the wokeness. You got the corporations all dumped it after November 5th
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because you broke it. This audience broke it. We know, we know we're a long way from the greatness
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of America, but it doesn't mean that the basic DNA of this country and the jock culture of this
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country is a, that's what won at Normandy. That's what won in the skies over Germany.
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That's what created, that's what helped create the, uh, the weapons and the, and the production
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that won the war. So we know that Jack will tell me, tell me where this fight's going because now
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they're trying to, they're trying to dump people off the platforms. Like that's going to matter.
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That's going to matter. You can't stop us. We're relentless. We're just, we're not gonna,
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we're never quit. We're never going to quit. We're a thousand times tougher than you guys are.
00:25:54.020
If you don't understand that, keep it up, keep coming after American citizens like you're coming,
00:25:59.620
and you're going to find out exactly how tough we are. We're not going to tolerate this. You're
00:26:04.020
trashing of the MAGA movement. You're calling the MAGA movement racist. How dare you with the
00:26:09.780
coalition now is starting to build. We have African-Americans and Hispanic families, African-American
00:26:15.460
men finally starting to red pill and awaken. And at that moment, you're going to throw the racism card
00:26:21.060
out. Are you kidding me? You think we're going to tolerate that? We're not going to tolerate it.
00:26:25.220
And I don't care in that regard. I don't care how big a check you, you wrote. But Sobic.
00:26:30.660
No, look, look, this is what the entire movement has been about. It's the same arguments,
00:26:35.140
by the way, for the Haitians in Springfield or the Venezuelans that were coming over on TPS or
00:26:41.140
all. It's all legal immigration, legal, legal, legal. But it's all done through these programs
00:26:46.180
that ended up screwing over people and helping out who? The people who are in charge of the
00:26:51.140
companies. And this movement, by the way, we've been just look, look, if you want to understand
00:26:56.020
something, get get a new religion and find out the fact that Joe Biden has left our border open to
00:27:01.860
full on invasion status for the last four years. I don't think he's denied any H-1B application in
00:27:08.820
the last four years. And so if you're going to come in there and say, oh, in this situation,
00:27:13.620
when we are surrounded, when our roads are clogged, when our cities are clogged,
00:27:18.740
when you've got illegals pouring out of the subway, setting people on fire, and your answer is to tell
00:27:24.020
this movement that we need more immigrants, that we need more of this situation. No, the answer is
00:27:30.420
absolutely not. There is going to be a question about, can we create a filter? I don't know.
00:27:36.900
Call it the Kobayashi Maru. Call it whatever you want to get the best. If you've got a Nikola Tesla
00:27:42.580
or an Albert Einstein, produce them. Produce them to us. Show us the inventions. I'm more than happy to
00:27:48.340
hear that argument out. Show me. Show me. Produce Tesla. Bring them out. Jack, hang on for one
00:27:54.660
second. Brought to you by Birch Gold on a Saturday morning, on fire. For the American citizen,
00:28:02.660
the greatest resource this nation's ever had. Short break.
00:28:06.740
Poso, the Chronicles of Christianity have been great. I know you've got to get back with the
00:28:19.620
family. We've got Darren Beattie, Dave Bratt, Raheem are all with us. I'm going to bring them in in a
00:28:24.900
second. Just give me your summary. This weekend, where does this fight go? Because it's getting
00:28:30.340
nastier and more volatile minute by minute, sir. Well, Steve, I want to say thank you again for,
00:28:36.420
uh, and to Grace and everyone in the engine room of the war room that's putting up the Chronicles
00:28:41.060
of the Christian, this four-part series that we've been releasing. We thought that things would be
00:28:46.580
quiet over the Christmas break, but, uh, it turns out that, uh, Maggie don't take any days off,
00:28:51.220
so we're putting that out. I highly encourage everyone to go over to Human Events Daily on Apple
00:28:55.660
and Spotify, wherever you are, go and subscribe, get the first two episodes, and then three and four
00:29:01.500
will drop on Monday and Tuesday, respectively. Because look, if you want to understand why we're
00:29:07.380
in the fight that we're in now, whether it's the H1Bs, whether it's the illegals, whether it's
00:29:11.940
Haitians, whether it's corporate overlords, whatever, you have to remember where we came from. And if you
00:29:17.240
can remember where we came from and remember what we as a people, as a Christian people, the history of
00:29:24.120
Western civilization is the history of Christianity, period, full stop. If you can understand the foes
00:29:30.120
that we have faced and the ardures and the challenges that we've overcome in the past, whether it be
00:29:35.460
Nazi fascism, whether it be the Russian communists, whether it be the caliphate in years past, we have
00:29:40.900
defeated them all, and we will continue to do so. That is what it takes to go to war. So if people want to
00:29:46.900
talk about going to war, guess what? This is the war room, and the war room is always ready
00:29:53.040
for war. So if you think that it's going to take, you know, a couple of tweets to get this movement
00:29:57.760
to back down, or if you think that it's going to be, oh, you know, we're going to pull the
00:30:01.400
donation, we're going to do this, bring it on. Just bring it on is what I say.
00:30:04.640
Bring it on. Jack, social media, where do people get you this weekend?
00:30:10.800
Yeah, it's all on the podcast side, and then of course I'm up on X, just throwing down and
00:30:16.460
getting there. Look, you know, and I saw that Vivek Ramaswamy threw me a retweet yesterday. I said,
00:30:21.760
look, you know, by the way, when it comes to the United States, I'm talking colorblind too,
00:30:27.020
because people are asking about that. I said, no, no, no, it's colorblind. The distinction we want
00:30:30.640
to make is about merit, but merit for the American citizen, for the American citizen.
00:30:35.960
President Trump is not a divisive guy, but the one distinction that he's always made
00:30:39.540
is citizen versus non-citizen. That's what it's about.
00:30:43.160
And we're not saying it's not about merit. That's what this country's built upon. Don't
00:30:47.320
give me some sophomoric thing to try to crawl your way back in here, dude. Vivek, not going to work.
00:30:53.280
Thank you, Jack. Appreciate you. Put that on a Christmas day, bro. Better learn something about
00:31:00.180
the people in the United States of America. It's a, it's the, it, we are commemorating the birth
00:31:04.880
of Christ. Better just to shut up on a day like that. Okay. Here's, I'm really honored of the next
00:31:12.780
three guests have been in this fight from the beginning. Dave Bratt was an economics professor
00:31:17.940
at Randolph-Macon when from the first time in the history of this Republic, he took out a seating
00:31:23.580
majority leader in Eric Cantor on the topic and issue of immigration. It blew away the establishment
00:31:29.480
when he did it in June of, was it 2014? Absolutely stunned them. Put on, put on hold a whole package
00:31:36.440
the Republican establishment had worked on for, you guessed it, amnesty. Darren Beattie was the
00:31:43.160
only professor of an Ivy League or Ivy League equivalent adjacent college to basically endorse
00:31:49.480
Trump before the 2016 election. And Darren Beattie came into the Trump White House as our most
00:31:55.520
brilliant speech writer and thinker. And Raheem Kassam has been my wingman on this topic. I don't
00:32:01.200
know, since 2012, 2013, when Raheem Kassam led the effort as the strategist for Nigel Farage on Brexit
00:32:09.500
in the central beating heart of the Brexit issue was not that Brussels was making laws for the British
00:32:15.320
people. It was about this topic, immigration. So I think we've got three guys that have a few battle
00:32:21.200
scars on them. And people in Silicon Valley understand this. We ain't coming to this fight
00:32:25.720
last night. Okay. We've been at this for over a decade. Raheem, do a reset for folks just because
00:32:33.000
some people may have actually taken Christmas off. And honestly, I was taking Christmas off until
00:32:37.640
a couple hours into it. I saw this thing starting to build and metastasize. Tell us where we are and
00:32:44.160
what's happening here for our audience that may not be fully up to speed.
00:32:46.920
Yeah, well, Steve, I want people to realize that I think all of us had this at least expectation
00:32:54.440
of having some quiet time, some reflection time, some spiritual time over the course of the Christmas
00:33:01.180
break. But the tech bros had different ideas. The tech bros have been colluding in the background
00:33:07.760
for some time now, trying to get their, you know, open borders. I'm going to call them open borders
00:33:15.220
supporters into positions of power as a result of their last minute interventions in the Trump
00:33:22.780
campaign and in the general election. And it has snowballed into this big public fight now.
00:33:29.020
And I think the two points to make here are that number one, MAGA remains united. It is the Johnny
00:33:37.220
come lately, the people who kind of want to stroke a check to get their policies pushed, to get their
00:33:44.780
government contracts, to get their friends positions, who are causing this rift in the broader coalition
00:33:52.440
here. And I think that's worth reminding ourselves of. The second part of this is, you know, you have to
00:33:58.500
look at this not just as people who want mass uncontrolled migration, as Musk appears to be throwing
00:34:04.880
his shoulder to the wheel of, by the way. And there's far more than what you just read out. I mean,
00:34:10.160
I was going through his X feed this morning of things he was just posting last night. And he's
00:34:15.280
posted, he's retweeted this chap, Noah Smith, an economic blogger, who has just screeds and screeds
00:34:24.660
of anti-Trump stuff, not just on his blog, all over his X. And he says, I will follow Elon Musk into
00:34:32.100
battle over this issue. And Elon Musk is retweeting it. So now we're seeing them conscripting in
00:34:38.300
anti-Trump activists to their H-1B. And by the way, it's not just H-1B. It's a massive immigration
00:34:45.320
battle that's going on right now over the Christmas and New Year break. But these are the people,
00:34:50.440
Steve, who want to follow the British political establishment, the Brussels political establishment,
00:34:56.280
in turning America into kind of another Singapore on Thames kind of deal, right? For them,
00:35:02.480
it's just an economy. For them, it's just a way to make money. For them, there is no culture. There
00:35:08.540
is no such thing as an American citizen. There is no such thing as American history. This for them is
00:35:14.100
a moment. And by the way, don't take my word for it, ladies and gentlemen. Go to Elon Musk's X feed
00:35:19.020
yourself. Click on the reply section. Go through all of it and look at the things he is saying about what it
00:35:25.400
means to be an American. For him, it's literally just about an economic unit of measurement. Now,
00:35:31.260
listen, this has to be taken as part of a wider piece here, because this isn't just about one Indian
00:35:38.060
guy who's immigrated, who they want to put in as an AI advisor into the White House. This is about
00:35:43.800
hundreds of thousands of H-1B visas, H-2B visas. I mean, they were even finding E3 visas yesterday
00:35:51.920
for Chippendales, strippers, male strippers coming in to Las Vegas from Australia.
00:35:59.340
Now, this has caused such a fight that people are going through the detail on these things.
00:36:03.120
And one of the things we're going to be doing in the next couple of days is actually going through
00:36:06.640
all the H-1B data over the last couple of years and say, OK, so you've had hundreds of thousands of
00:36:13.360
people every year coming into the country, you know, and especially looking at this database and
00:36:18.580
looking at where they're going. But question about all of this is, what's enough? Where does
00:36:24.300
it stop? How many hundreds of thousands of, you know, engineers and technicians and coders?
00:36:30.780
Right, exactly. That's the buried lead. That's the hidden message. For them, it never stops. And that
00:36:37.040
means for them, there is no America. There is no culture. There is no integration. There is no
00:36:41.600
assimilation. How many H-1B visa holders, right, are part of those little platoons that you talked about
00:36:47.240
me the first thing? How many are getting involved in their communities? Zero. How many are building?
00:36:50.280
Zero. How many are part of the U.S. military? Zero. You know, how many people are actually doing
00:36:54.120
the work to be, you know, civil society leaders? Zero. They're in it for a check. They're in it for
00:37:01.360
a job. They're in it for their visas and their green cards. And that's all it is to them.
00:37:08.040
Darren Beattie, you've been at this for a long time. You showed the courage to step out
00:37:12.260
before Trump won at 16. And this was one of the key, if not the key issue. You fought this in
00:37:17.260
the White House. They've come after you. One of the best guys, nicest guys, most inclusive guys I've
00:37:22.320
ever met, Darren Beattie. They've come after you hard. Tell me what you've, what's transpired over
00:37:27.360
the last couple of days and how important is this fight? Well, it's very important. And I think the
00:37:32.920
critical thing is to separate the signal from the noise because there's a kind of factional
00:37:38.680
dispute that's gained a significance almost beyond the actual, you know, substance of the item in
00:37:46.320
question. And I think for the substance of the debate, clarity is very important because on the
00:37:52.160
one hand, we're hearing stuff about, oh, we want to attract the highest skilled, highest talent.
00:37:59.760
And I think it's important to understand that talent and cheap labor are very different things.
00:38:06.440
And we need to be clear as to do these tech companies want the H-1Bs because they're really
00:38:12.100
exceptionally talented or do they want them simply because it's economically beneficial?
00:38:18.440
And then if it's the latter, we need to understand why it's economically beneficial.
00:38:22.540
It's economically beneficial because they effectively have indentured slaves. And what do the H-1B
00:38:30.240
recipients get out of it? Their benefit is the expectation of a green card and chain migration
00:38:36.460
at the end. So it's really the taxpayers who are footing the difference there. That's the whole
00:38:41.960
reason that's sort of the privatized profit, socialized cost models that makes the H-1B so
00:38:49.940
efficient. And so it's really not a natural market determined price equilibrium. So even on
00:38:55.620
their own terms of economics, the H-1B is a scam. And I had a tweet that went semi-viral basically
00:39:05.800
saying, in fact, H-1B, precisely because it passes off the cost of the H-1Bs onto the taxpayers,
00:39:12.380
should be on the Doge chopping block, not something that Doge is promoting. I think the bigger picture,
00:39:20.220
though, is I'm even more obsessed with talent than some of these so-called tech bros. I'm even more
00:39:28.840
obsessed with it. I think we have it in the United States. I think we need a Manhattan Project scale
00:39:36.000
operation to better identify, cultivate, and channel native homegrown talent. And secondly,
00:39:44.680
for the exceptional minds of the world that are at the, say, 100th of a percentile, 100th of 1%
00:39:54.580
level, there's just not a lot of those, the United States absolutely should have a monopoly on all of
00:40:01.280
those brains. But neither of those two imperatives has anything to do with H-1B.
00:40:07.180
But hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I know. And I'd love your Manhattan Project. I'm going to go this
00:40:12.160
latter. Here's my theory of the case. We believe in nationalism. We just don't believe in American
00:40:19.140
nationalism. We think after the Treaty of Westphalia that the nation state is the way, is the unit,
00:40:24.400
at least as mankind's evolved today, right, of allowing the most potential fulfillment and freedom.
00:40:30.920
We believe in other strong nations, a planet that had strong nations, vibrant nations,
00:40:36.360
people that love their countries. And most people, if you see throughout the world, and most movies,
00:40:40.240
all want to go home and all want to make their nations work. Why do we want to take all the
00:40:46.380
talent, all the top 0, 0.1%? That to me is still imperialism. It's what the city of London did back
00:40:55.980
in the 19th century. I don't personally have a problem with that. I think we should have that very,
00:40:59.740
very top, but that has nothing to do with H-1B, which is just an excuse for cheap and really mediocre
00:41:05.720
labor. And they're passing off the cost to taxpayers. It's totally different story. It has
00:41:10.560
nothing to do with talent. Hang on. Just, I know you got a bolt, but I got to hold you to the next
00:41:16.740
one with Brett. The argument you just made is one of the most brilliant. This should be top of the
00:41:23.200
Doge Chopping Block. Not something they're pushing. Darren Beattie, Dave Brett, Raheem Kassam,
00:41:30.280
Stephen K. Bannon, and a cast of others are going to come up in our second hour. We're on fire here
00:41:36.580
in a Saturday in the War Room. We're going to leave you with the right stuff. We'll be back in a moment.
00:42:13.080
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00:42:37.780
three lines of work that President Trump has to get right away, the clear of the wars in Ukraine,
00:42:42.460
in the Middle East, and again, with the Chinese Communist Party on the Eurasian landmass,
00:42:46.840
President Trump has a step in the middle of that. They're trying to jam him up to another $1.2
00:42:50.500
billion to Ukraine. On the immigration, the border deportations, here we're having this massive fight
00:42:55.580
over H-1B visas, which is, Darren Beattie is about to tell you, is just a way to flood the zone
00:43:00.480
with chain migration. Okay. But the most important, the most deadly thing is Janet Yellen. I've told you
00:43:08.260
that between the Federal Reserve and the Treasury, they're messing around with the balance
00:43:12.320
sheet. She dropped a neutron bomb on people yesterday, sending a letter that said,
00:43:17.060
hey, guess what? Extraordinary measures on the debt has to start, I don't know, January 13th.
00:43:22.540
They have been playing around with the balance sheet to jam President Trump into a corner.
00:43:28.180
I'm going to get to more of that in the second hour. Darren Beattie, I know you got a bold
00:43:30.940
love you took time out on Saturday. Just walk me back through before I get Brett, my economist,
00:43:36.380
on here. Your economic argument, which is so brilliant at how this leads to chain migration
00:43:41.320
and taxpayers pay for their own destruction, sir.
00:43:46.300
Absolutely. Just to encapsulate the distinctions I think are relevant to this debate,
00:43:50.600
I think recruiting genuinely rarefied levels of talent at the 100th of a percentile is something
00:44:00.220
we should do. We can do it. We have done it. It has nothing to do with H-1B. That level of talent
00:44:07.740
has nothing to do with what we're bringing in with H-1B. H-1B is not about talent. It's not even about
00:44:14.340
high skill. What it's about is cost cutting. And we need to look into how the tech companies cut their
00:44:21.740
costs by bringing in the H-1Bs. So they bring in the H-1Bs. The H-1Bs work for far less than an
00:44:29.460
American would. That's the other thing is they just need to pay more to get the American and that's
00:44:35.320
what they should do. Now, people would say, oh, you're distorting the market in that way. I say,
00:44:39.640
no, the market is distorted by the H-1B process because in exchange from the H-1B recipient side,
00:44:46.880
they say, okay, we're going to go to the U.S., take a low wage, which is not probably low compared
00:44:52.240
to their home countries, nonetheless, live as an indentured servant. Part of what they get is the
00:44:57.600
low wage from the tech company. But the real sweetener, as I said, is the expectation of getting
00:45:03.220
a green card, which will ultimately allow for chain migration. And then, of course, all of the children
00:45:08.840
that are born from that chain migration wave, those children are automatically citizens. And all of the
00:45:16.200
costs attendant to that, unto generations, unto infinity, unto posterity, all of those costs are
00:45:25.140
not borne by the tech companies hiring the H-1Bs. They're borne by the United States taxpayers. That
00:45:32.740
is the scam that the tech companies privatize their costs by paying marginal wages to the H-1Bs,
00:45:40.500
and the taxpayers foot the bill in terms of paying for the green cards and the chain migration later.
00:45:47.880
So it's a distortion of the economy. It's not the true equilibrium. If the tech companies really paid
00:45:54.340
the full inclusive price, they wouldn't want the H-1Bs to begin with. It has nothing to do with talent
00:46:01.880
or high skill. It's indentured servitude to drive down wages and opportunities for American citizens
00:46:09.520
that have every bit of skill and work ethic. Darren, where do people get you over this battlefield
00:46:15.480
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sure you go to Revolver all weekend. We're in combat all weekend on this. Dave Bratt,
00:46:38.300
give me some perspective before we end the first hour and get ready for our second hour, sir,
00:46:43.080
as only you can do. Yeah, Raheem and Darren Beattie, it's just an honor to be with these
00:46:47.600
gentlemen because they always get it right. I just want to double down on both of their
00:46:54.160
arguments. When you talk about this issue and racism comes into play, you're only hearing about
00:47:01.040
one side of the economic equation, like Darren just said. You're hearing about the benefit side,
00:47:04.660
but nothing on the cost side. Economists are supposed to weigh the full cost of doing all this,
00:47:09.920
right? And so you're also known by the company you keep up in the swamp. It's a little bit
00:47:15.420
interesting that every speaker for the past 30 years has been pro-amnesty, pro-illegal immigration,
00:47:24.160
pro-immigration, now Biden on steroids, right? But our leadership class is there because of the
00:47:29.460
money, because of the budget, because of what I call the giant Excel spreadsheet in the sky.
00:47:35.780
So one of the CNN commentators say, oh, these brutes, you know, these MAGA people,
00:47:40.860
they don't understand the complexities of it all. No, we precisely understand the complexities of it
00:47:47.000
all. It's in the budget. What they're all doing is protecting their budget line items. So I was in
00:47:52.260
Congress. I worked on federal workforce boards. I worked in the Commonwealth of Virginia on state
00:47:57.980
workforce boards with education. I worked with local city and county workforce boards to build
00:48:04.840
human capital. NIH spends more on education and everything, the swamp up there between agriculture,
00:48:10.840
big pharma, whatever. There's tons of money floating around, and none of it's hitting the target.
00:48:15.320
That's what we're frustrated about. And so when it comes to this economic argument,
00:48:21.260
what it really boils down to, and I've met with, you know, CEOs, small businesses, medium, large,
00:48:26.660
you can make them a deal, right? And all political views are my own. But I worked also with universities
00:48:31.960
and, you know, state agencies, et cetera. You can make the corporations a deal and say, hey,
00:48:37.300
I got a program for you. I'm going to give you 20 engineers.
00:48:40.000
We'll scale them up exactly to fit your firm. Even we'll do everything you want, but, but it's
00:48:47.220
reciprocal, right? You've got to, you've got to sign the bottom line on that deal. And guess what
00:48:51.160
the corporations say every time? No deal. They want to cherry pick from the Harvard's and the
00:48:56.840
Princeton's and MIT's. They don't want 20. They want to go picking and they want us to pay for it.
00:49:04.220
Hey, hang on for one second, Dave. You're going to be with us for the second hour. This is Rahim
00:49:09.460
Kassam. I think we're going to try to get Julie Kelly on, on fire on a Saturday morning. Why?
00:49:17.220
Because people are trying to run a scam and destroy American citizens, and we are not going to tolerate
00:49:23.560
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