Bannon's War Room - April 21, 2025


Episode 4427： Pope Francis Dies At Age 88; Traditional Awakening In The US


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

167.58167

Word Count

9,249

Sentence Count

765

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

18


Summary

Born in Argentina in 1928, Pope John Paul III was the first Latin American to become Pope, and the first in nearly 600 years to follow a retirement. He was also the first pope from Latin America to be elected to the papacy, and one of the most influential men in the world.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 People's Pope, from the beginning, embraced a papacy of humility, choosing the name Francis after Francis of Assisi, the 13th century patron saint of the poor.
00:00:10.500 The day he was elected in 2013, appearing before crowds dressed in a simple white cassock and an iron cross, not the traditional gold.
00:00:19.440 He used his pulpit to highlight the pride of the sick, the poor, and the forgotten.
00:00:23.560 No surprise from a man who, as cardinal in Argentina, lived in a small apartment, rode the subway, and cooked his own meals.
00:00:32.800 He could understand regular people.
00:00:36.660 I'm an ordinary person, I'm an ordinary guy, with an extraordinary job.
00:00:40.740 And I think that the message was, I am one of you.
00:00:43.760 He was born Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Buenos Aires, the eldest of five children of Italian immigrants.
00:00:50.620 As a young man holding jobs as a bouncer, a janitor, and studying chemistry before entering the seminary.
00:00:57.500 When Pope Benedict retired, Bergoglio was seen as a cardinal whose time had passed, and at 76, too old.
00:01:04.800 But he went on to make history as the first pope from Latin America, and the first in nearly 600 years to follow a retirement.
00:01:12.620 Francis took over a church often at odds with the secular world.
00:01:16.480 He came into the church at a time in which there was tremendous crisis, both internally and externally, in terms of its reputation.
00:01:22.860 And he, in a sense, rebranded the Catholic Church.
00:01:25.540 At a time when the church really needed a facelift, he provided it.
00:01:29.240 Just months after his election, saying something revolutionary for a Catholic church leader.
00:01:34.140 The church must welcome the LGBTQ community.
00:01:37.360 Francis shaped the church leadership, tilting more towards the developing world with his appointment of 21 new and diverse cardinals in 2022.
00:01:56.860 He expanded roles for women in parishes and at the Vatican, but didn't budge on making them priests.
00:02:02.100 He also considered allowing married priests in remote areas, but ultimately didn't.
00:02:06.820 Though he didn't turn away from taking on controversial causes, calling couples who had pets instead of children selfish,
00:02:13.180 and as the first pope to address a joint session of Congress, challenging the U.S. to open its arms to refugees and abolish the death penalty.
00:02:22.440 When failing health led to rumors of retirement, the pope, who ministered to the poor of the world, said simply,
00:02:28.660 Leave a legacy of good, not just goods.
00:02:32.100 Who captured the imagination of many across the globe very early.
00:02:38.100 A different type of pope.
00:02:40.220 Of course, the first from Latin America, but also a pope who wanted to live as simply as he could.
00:02:47.480 And with obviously the trappings of Vatican City around him.
00:02:51.640 Yeah, but didn't live in the most prestigious and pompous parts of Vatican City.
00:02:56.440 Kind of surprised the cardinals around him by choosing more simple areas.
00:03:00.060 He never went to the Summer Palace, the very grand Summer Palace just outside Rome in Castel Gandolfo that the pope had access to.
00:03:08.080 He decided it was not needed.
00:03:09.740 That was too pompous for him, too much of an expense.
00:03:13.080 He was very focused on trying to get the church to cut expenses.
00:03:15.860 But on the global stage, look at the very first place that he went to as pope.
00:03:20.240 The little tiny island of Lampedusa off the coast of North Africa at the height of the migrant crisis into Europe as people were fleeing Syria, fleeing Africa, coming through Lampedusa.
00:03:32.420 And that was where he chose to go.
00:03:35.040 And throughout his papacy, he talked about migration.
00:03:38.400 He talked about migrants.
00:03:39.720 He talked about refugees.
00:03:40.720 That was the thing that got him into his first dispute with Donald Trump when he called him unchristian for building walls, not bridges to keep people out of the United States.
00:03:51.260 How much impact did he have?
00:03:53.040 He was not a diplomat.
00:03:54.400 He was a spiritual figure.
00:03:56.400 But but it was a theme throughout his papacy to think of the poorest and those most in need.
00:04:02.420 Also, his focus on inclusivity, his outreach to marginalized communities.
00:04:08.280 Those words, who am I to judge?
00:04:12.300 Will echo throughout his legacy.
00:04:14.980 Go ahead.
00:04:15.760 Oh, yeah.
00:04:16.500 And I was just going to say in many on the hard right inside the church were shocked that this pope would actually borrow from Jesus Christ.
00:04:27.900 And living that simple life borrowed from Jesus Christ.
00:04:33.000 And they were radical words when he said it.
00:04:35.540 And it was like it was it was sounded like like a shot of a cannon.
00:04:40.880 It just stunned everybody when the pope said, who am I to judge?
00:04:47.380 Now, why in the world would he say something that radical?
00:04:50.340 I don't know.
00:04:50.860 Maybe it's because that's exactly what Jesus said to the woman at the well when religious leaders were going to stone her to death.
00:04:58.980 And and Jesus said, as they dropped their rocks after saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, Jesus turned and said, where are your accusers now?
00:05:13.320 Well, I I also don't accuse you.
00:05:15.680 Go and sin no more.
00:05:16.660 And that's the thing, Mika, his legacy was remarkable in that Jesus reached out to those who were shunned by religious leaders in society, the lepers, the tax collectors, the sinners like the woman at the well.
00:05:34.360 And with Francis, conservatives, many conservatives inside the church hated him for being Christlike in that respect, just as the religious leaders of his day hated Jesus.
00:05:47.500 But Francis was unbowed and being inclusive while following the word of the gospel.
00:05:55.980 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:06:01.140 Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval.
00:06:04.360 And I got a free shot.
00:06:07.720 All these networks lying about the people.
00:06:10.720 The people had a belly full of it.
00:06:12.700 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:06:14.140 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:06:16.740 It's going to happen.
00:06:18.040 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:06:21.420 Mega media.
00:06:22.840 I wish in my soul.
00:06:24.560 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:06:28.200 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:06:31.400 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:06:38.260 War Room.
00:06:39.160 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:06:41.220 Vance.
00:06:41.580 It's Monday, 21 April, Year of Our Lord, 2025.
00:06:51.620 Obviously a lot going on today.
00:06:53.140 We're going to take you from the Vatican to the Pentagon to the White House.
00:06:58.100 A big failure in the streets over the weekend of the color revolution.
00:07:01.620 And Natalie will be here to talk to us about that.
00:07:04.400 A lot going on.
00:07:05.440 The Liz Yor and Poso are going to kick it off with the also Supreme Court.
00:07:10.420 The coming for Trump at the courts and some of the justices on the Supreme Court are now saying that this is unsat, this judicial supremacy.
00:07:19.020 So this book, Philip Shanon, I think he pronounced his name, Shanon, wrote the book Cruel and Shocking Act about the Warren Commission, came out on the anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination a couple years ago.
00:07:34.400 Wrote Jesus Wept about the last seven popes, really about the Vatican Council.
00:07:40.400 And this guy is not a, when he says at the front he's not a Catholic, he also absolutely hates the traditional Catholic Church, which is pretty obvious.
00:07:47.660 New York Times writer, so surprising.
00:07:51.380 But it's quite interesting.
00:07:54.160 And Brother Eric Boling gave me the heads up on this because he's the first one to get the book, is that the section on the current pope, or I guess the late pope, has a lot to do with War Room.
00:08:05.980 And yours truly, Stephen K. Bannon, with Liz Yor and Patrick and Ben Harnwell and others, we threw down so hard against the pope with the conservative cardinals a couple of years ago.
00:08:20.860 It's a big part of the book.
00:08:22.400 And we stand in absolute defiance of this pope for what he tried to do, or attempted to do, and is doing with his acolytes to the Catholic Church.
00:08:35.160 And we wanted to play and make sure he got all the treacly mainstream media, because in Italy, Ben Harnwell tells him the media came and watched it.
00:08:44.040 It's so bad.
00:08:44.980 This guy is almost like a Christ-like figure.
00:08:47.860 His question, who am I to judge?
00:08:49.700 Yo, dude, you're the pope.
00:08:52.780 Your job's supposed to be judging, I think.
00:08:56.840 Jack Posobiec joins us.
00:08:58.660 Posso, your thoughts?
00:09:00.780 And I'll get Liz Yor in a second.
00:09:02.340 Archbishop Vigano put up his thoughts about a couple hours ago.
00:09:06.440 I posted on Getter.
00:09:08.100 Getter's totally free, totally free app.
00:09:09.840 You can go on the website.
00:09:10.900 I don't even think you have to download the app.
00:09:13.200 But I put up stuff 24-7.
00:09:15.220 I put up Vigano's earlier.
00:09:19.160 Pretty brutal.
00:09:20.060 Jack Posobiec, your take on particularly there's going to be a funeral, there will be, you know, time of mourning, and then, I don't know, within 20 days, a conclave will be called to select the next pope.
00:09:32.680 Your thoughts about all this, sir?
00:09:33.800 Well, Steve, look, here we've had the Camerlengo, the Chamberlain of the Church, has confirmed the pope's death.
00:09:41.460 Right now, what's going to be happening soon, they'll have the preparation of the body for the procession.
00:09:46.440 They're going to have the nine days of mourning, during which time all church governance within the Vatican will be paused.
00:09:53.220 First, the signet ring, the fisherman's ring, will be deconstructed and destroyed.
00:10:00.300 And so this, the destruction of the fisherman's ring, that is the official ring.
00:10:04.300 It signs the papal bulls.
00:10:05.820 It signs the encyclicals.
00:10:07.280 It seals them.
00:10:08.160 It is used to seal them.
00:10:09.500 So that, and each one is used for each specific pope.
00:10:14.260 So this, of course, prevents its misuse.
00:10:16.660 It would symbolize the end of the pope's authority as this pope.
00:10:20.960 So that's what this means.
00:10:22.580 Pope Francis's authority has ended.
00:10:26.180 Sede vacante, sede vacante, sede vacante.
00:10:29.140 The seat is vacant.
00:10:31.200 The seat of St. Peter is now vacant.
00:10:34.160 And so a new pope must be chosen.
00:10:36.260 And Steve, look, what we saw yesterday, this is the context that I want to put it in for everyone.
00:10:41.900 What we saw yesterday on Easter, and I was taking reports, I was doing reporting even on Easter Sunday,
00:10:47.860 that, Steve, our church spilling out the doors.
00:10:51.720 We had cars parked up and down the streets for miles.
00:10:55.160 We had people kneeling in the aisles, kneeling everywhere, in the halls of the church itself.
00:11:02.180 And I was taking reports from all across the country that this Easter was one of the biggest Easters of our lifetimes.
00:11:10.380 And why is that?
00:11:11.320 Why is that?
00:11:12.440 Because we are experiencing a traditional awakening within the Western church right now.
00:11:19.360 And this came as a time where our Easter actually lined up on the Paschal calendar for once with our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters like my wife, Tanya Tay.
00:11:30.020 So what we need now is not a pope that inflames this growing schism within our church between the modernists and the traditionalists.
00:11:39.560 It is the traditional rights of the church that are at that C Gen Z flocking in, that C Gen Z becoming more religious than even millennials,
00:11:50.340 potentially even more religious than baby boomers that we're seeing in terms of church attendance.
00:11:54.680 That is what's bringing people back because this is a beacon and a lighthouse in a sea of rampant secular excesses.
00:12:02.400 Don't even get me started on COVID, rampant war, all the rest of it.
00:12:05.880 I totally disagree with you.
00:12:09.200 No, no, no, you don't.
00:12:10.120 I disagree.
00:12:10.940 Let me beg you.
00:12:11.840 Here's why.
00:12:13.300 We need a pope who understands which way the wind is blowing.
00:12:17.680 Steve, don't tell me you want a modernist now.
00:12:22.120 No, no, no, no, no.
00:12:23.000 I'm saying if you get some – if you get what they're going to – the best case for us, they're going to put up some nice soft guy that's going to pat you on the head and say,
00:12:31.380 oh, we want the conservatives, the traditional Catholics, the Latin mass Catholics.
00:12:36.640 Remember, the Latin mass Catholics, my parents' parish, which was a tiny parish started back in the 70s for Latin masses,
00:12:43.740 what the FBI focused on to write their report that traditional Catholics were a hotbed of domestic terrorism, okay?
00:12:52.260 The Vatican deep state is the mother of all deep states, the curia around that.
00:12:58.080 But you get some guy that's on the surface is conservative, quote-unquote, right, or even moderate to kind of pat us on the head.
00:13:08.080 The movement of conservative Catholics, traditional Catholics, even people – young people going to the orthodox side of Catholicism is one of the great developments in the 21st century.
00:13:19.060 You don't want to take the sting out of that because what they're going to try to do is do some commissions, committees, put a couple of controlled opposition on there and take the sting out of this movement.
00:13:27.500 But this movement, Jack Posobiec, is one of the most powerful movements in the modern world.
00:13:33.180 And given what's happening with artificial intelligence and the singularity –
00:13:36.540 I'm saying use that leverage right now.
00:13:37.060 Go ahead. Do what, sir?
00:13:38.080 Do what?
00:13:38.980 I'm saying use that leverage right now while the conclave has yet to even be seated.
00:13:45.420 Make your voice heard as traditionals.
00:13:48.020 We definitely do that.
00:13:48.880 We might even have to take War Room to Rome.
00:13:51.320 What do you say?
00:13:52.220 Should we go to St. Peter's Square?
00:13:53.740 We're coming live from the Vatican.
00:13:55.420 We're coming live from the Vatican here in a moment.
00:13:57.160 I think I'm going to Shanghai Tom Williams and get the whole thing.
00:14:00.680 Send Poso over there.
00:14:02.820 There wasn't so much here in a meltdown.
00:14:04.260 I'd go – hang on, Jack, because I've got to talk.
00:14:06.560 Liz, you're Harnwell from Vatican.
00:14:08.300 But there's also the deep states coming after President Trump at the Supreme Court, and here's how they're doing it.
00:14:14.260 They leaked an intelligence report, a national intelligence estimate,
00:14:18.920 that tries to cut the legs out from President Trump invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
00:14:26.580 We're going to break all that down.
00:14:28.180 So much going on from the Pentagon to the White House to the State Department to the National Security Council.
00:14:33.560 Economically, in the embargo we have with the Chinese Communist Party, oil still pouring out of the Straits of Hormuz,
00:14:41.980 going from the Persians, cha-ching, right to the Chinese.
00:14:46.720 Curious minds are asking, what?
00:14:49.260 Okay, Jack Posobiec, Liz, you're Ben Harnwell, all next in the War Room.
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00:17:21.120 Jack Posobiec, closing comments.
00:17:23.700 Look, I'm not trying to jump you.
00:17:24.880 What I'm trying to say is that I understand.
00:17:26.500 We're going to have a show of force, a show of force now to make sure that the Conclave and all the Curia and the Deep State and the Vatican understand.
00:17:36.280 We understand exactly what they're doing.
00:17:38.180 This book, Jesus Wept, does a pretty good job of years ago with the great Liz Yor and Ben Harnwell and others.
00:17:47.000 But the reality is they're going to choose another.
00:17:50.940 And, hey, is a schism the worst thing in the world?
00:17:53.920 I don't know.
00:17:54.640 If you're on the side of the righteous, it's not.
00:17:56.560 And we're on the side of the righteous here.
00:17:57.980 We absolutely are doing the right thing with traditional Catholicism.
00:18:02.240 Jack Posobiec, thoughts?
00:18:04.820 Look, here's what I think.
00:18:06.180 I think traditional Catholics, if you have the means, if you have the ability, if you're in Europe, if you're not, hop a flight to Rome right now.
00:18:14.880 Go into St. Peter's Square and start taking up space.
00:18:19.680 Be out there praying the rosary loudly.
00:18:22.840 Go up, get the crucifixes, get everything.
00:18:25.000 Pray in Latin so that every single member of the Curia, that when they walk through those doors of the Sistine Chapel and seal them behind you, can hear you in Latin for every single minute of the conclave.
00:18:39.900 And look, and look, I'm not.
00:18:41.540 You're right, Steve.
00:18:42.200 You're right.
00:18:42.600 I'm not going as hard as I could.
00:18:44.240 I'm not saying that we need a Pope Bannon right now.
00:18:47.700 All right.
00:18:48.440 All right.
00:18:48.800 I know that's what you're holding out for.
00:18:50.980 I know it's what you're holding out for, Steve.
00:18:52.440 Because remember, any Catholic, it can be any Catholic.
00:18:55.280 So I'm not going for a Pope Bannon.
00:18:56.740 Remember, they said under 80.
00:18:58.220 And I checked.
00:18:58.540 It's got to be a good Catholic.
00:18:59.080 I checked for a couple more years.
00:19:00.760 For a couple more years, Steve is still eligible.
00:19:03.580 But it's got to be a good Catholic.
00:19:06.100 So, you know, we've got some issues.
00:19:07.020 Don't do that.
00:19:07.500 We've got to have a long penance before Steve Bannon is eligible.
00:19:11.240 And we'll get you an indulgence on the way in.
00:19:18.800 Yeah, a bunch of them.
00:19:20.260 So, Jack, we'll get your mind right.
00:19:23.160 Liz is going to have to do further training for Posobiec after hours here, after the show.
00:19:27.600 Jack, real quickly, folks, understand the deep state.
00:19:31.500 You've got Pete Hegseth.
00:19:32.400 We're going to get about Pete.
00:19:33.400 They're coming after Pete hard.
00:19:35.200 Does this sound new?
00:19:36.420 They're coming after Pete every day.
00:19:37.620 Coming after Pete Hegseth hard.
00:19:38.900 They're trying to get Pete Hegseth out.
00:19:40.880 They're coming after the State Department.
00:19:42.480 Marco is about to do a big reorg, and they leaked a phony document that said he's about to eliminate the State Department,
00:19:48.960 which I think a lot of us would say, you know, why didn't we think of that before?
00:19:54.180 Why has this not been done on day one?
00:19:56.600 So they're coming after Marco.
00:19:57.840 They're coming after the whole team over State Department is trying to downsize it.
00:20:00.780 But in this situation with the deportations where the Democrats have taken the side of the illegal alien invaders
00:20:08.720 and the terrorists and the murderers and the rapists, it's getting the Supreme Court in the dark of night,
00:20:14.760 1 a.m. on Saturday morning, in the dark of night, issued a basically shut President Trump down temporarily.
00:20:23.340 Alito was so upset about it.
00:20:24.660 It was Alito and Thomas.
00:20:25.600 That's surprising.
00:20:26.240 Justice Thomas, the best.
00:20:28.400 He and Alito, Alito the brains of the operation.
00:20:31.100 Alito came out with his opinion.
00:20:33.380 He's so outraged about this, about judicial supremacy.
00:20:36.360 However, this is all predicated on the using the Alien Enemies Act of 1798,
00:20:44.760 drawn up during Adam's presidency, John Adam's presidency, about the coming war with France.
00:20:50.720 Jack, they were undercut in the middle of the night last night with a national intelligence estimate coming out of DNI
00:20:59.760 that basically says, essentially says, the whole predicate of what President Trump's doing to invoke the Alien Enemies Act is dead wrong.
00:21:11.080 That's the deep state leak.
00:21:12.840 That was not put up by the White House.
00:21:14.340 That was leaked by the deep state.
00:21:16.360 Can you tell the audience what that is, how important it is, and how in the hell did this thing so twisted come out, sir?
00:21:24.300 Steve, what you're seeing here is an attempt by the National Intelligence Council and the holdovers and the snakes.
00:21:29.300 There are too many holdovers and too many snakes within the intelligence community that are still there, that are still on board.
00:21:38.020 There's also not enough people that share the president's vision, the vision of the people of this country that were elected,
00:21:46.540 that put President Trump in office.
00:21:48.840 Seven out of seven swing states, the Electoral College, the popular vote, the House, the Senate.
00:21:53.900 And now you've got these people up there working to undercut the president of the United States.
00:21:58.380 Look, this was a press release.
00:22:00.760 It was essentially a brief to the Supreme Court saying, hey, by the way, if you want to use this to overturn the Alien Enemies Act, please do.
00:22:12.740 And look, that's exactly what Amy Coney Barrett is going to do next.
00:22:15.720 They're going to take this report.
00:22:17.000 They're going to put that in on their final briefing.
00:22:18.800 And they will use this not just to, Steve, undercut the use of the Alien Enemies Act.
00:22:23.720 Mark my words, their goal is to actually, after hundreds of years, declare it unconstitutional so that it can't be used.
00:22:32.080 And all of this is happening because not enough people were removed from these positions of power.
00:22:37.940 So now you've got the response of the deep state, which we always said was coming.
00:22:40.980 We talked about it last week, how it started over at the Pentagon, how they're rolling the patriots out.
00:22:45.060 Now they're going after Pete Hegseth.
00:22:46.700 Why?
00:22:47.180 Because they wanted the strikes on Iran, the strikes on Iran.
00:22:49.640 They put the stop on that.
00:22:51.240 He said President Trump came in and said, look, they said no new wars.
00:22:54.040 They said no more World War III.
00:22:55.700 We said we're not going to do it.
00:22:56.620 We're going to negotiate.
00:22:57.460 Wyckoff, by the way, also in Rome, by the way, along where the pope just passed away.
00:23:03.000 And so they're holding the meetings right there.
00:23:05.080 What do you see on the back end?
00:23:06.040 Oh, now we're going after Pete Hegseth.
00:23:07.500 Look, look, the White House is fighting on all fronts, and people need to understand that.
00:23:13.540 The administration is fighting on all fronts.
00:23:16.400 But there are too many holdovers still in these councils, these national securities, these national intelligence councils.
00:23:24.360 They need to go.
00:23:26.180 Do not play footsies with these people.
00:23:28.760 They will walk right up to you and smile on your face and shake your hand while they stab you in the back with the other one.
00:23:34.320 You get this whole thing, the Pentagon.
00:23:36.980 Derek Harvey, the great Derek Harvey, a contributor to War Room, people know and love him over the years, goes, is now going into, it's public now, because they leaked it.
00:23:47.080 He went over for the beginning of his onboarding on Friday.
00:23:50.280 Lead story on CBS News.
00:23:52.240 Jennifer Jacobs, their top reporter for the White House.
00:23:54.860 White House correspondent, lead reporter for CBS News.
00:23:58.400 Story.
00:23:59.620 MAGA-oriented Derek Harvey arrives at White House for National Security Council.
00:24:06.040 Intelligence job, you know, and then in, like, paragraph four, he will bring more MAGA-type, more President Trump, hardcore America-firsters over.
00:24:15.200 Leaked.
00:24:16.220 Hard leak from the NSC.
00:24:18.060 That's the only person.
00:24:18.820 This thing was so quiet, only a handful of people knew about it.
00:24:22.020 A select handful.
00:24:23.840 NSC totally leaked it to try to take out Harvey, have a bunch of bad stories over the weekend.
00:24:28.180 And, in fact, if the Pete Hegseth situation in the Pentagon hadn't overwhelmed it and the release of the phony Politico's lead story on Easter Sunday morning is the executive order, which was not accurate, saying that, you know, Marco's taking out two-thirds of the State Department, which I kind of love.
00:24:46.200 Great way to start Easter, right?
00:24:47.760 It turns out he is doing a major restructuring, but it's not going to be on that EO.
00:24:51.800 My point is the deep state is full-on.
00:24:53.980 So here's the reason, Jack, because we're not doing anything over Justice Department.
00:24:59.020 I don't see investigations.
00:25:00.300 I don't see indictments.
00:25:01.260 And I'm telling you, I'm hearing, and I want to give a warning.
00:25:05.140 If the guys around Hegseth, if there's indictments or investigations going on and there's no indictments, there's no release of the Epstein files, and there's no investigations of Brennan and the 51, and you're not spending your time on that but somehow gets diverted over this, it is going to be a firestorm from the MAGA base.
00:25:22.640 I think people are fed up with it.
00:25:24.120 I think Tom Fenton gives a lot of the frustration that in the first 100 days we've seen nothing out of that crowd, zero.
00:25:31.680 With all the hard work that went in to get him there, you know, we've seen nothing.
00:25:35.620 And now they're talking about Jack, some investigation of the guys around Hegseth.
00:25:39.640 And I'm not saying there shouldn't be something over there.
00:25:41.380 Maybe it is.
00:25:41.900 But that's a Pete Hegseth call, right?
00:25:45.280 And it shouldn't be DOJ or anybody like that jumping in there because you haven't done your primary job, which is to take down the deep state.
00:25:52.440 People, we are burning daylight.
00:25:55.140 These people are playing smash mouth.
00:25:57.340 They're playing hardball.
00:25:58.320 And the deep state is winning right now.
00:26:00.380 Jack, am I wrong to say the deep – with everything President Trump's doing and the reorientation.
00:26:05.640 He's one man.
00:26:06.700 He's got everything on his shoulders.
00:26:08.220 He needs some support.
00:26:09.880 He needs some help.
00:26:11.140 He needs some assistance.
00:26:12.580 It's incumbent upon us to do it.
00:26:14.660 But people got to get in there and put their shoulders to the wheel.
00:26:17.240 Poso, you got a minute, sir.
00:26:18.560 No, you got to bounce.
00:26:20.420 Steve, this is what they do, right?
00:26:22.640 Rather than the full-on Russiagate operation, what is the operation now for the nullification project?
00:26:28.760 The operation is the slow walk and the slow roll.
00:26:32.760 We're going to hold his hand.
00:26:34.180 We're going to slow everything down in the courts, slow down the agenda, just walk it all down.
00:26:40.260 Okay, you got the first 40 days.
00:26:41.860 First 100 days will come up here at the end of the month.
00:26:43.860 And then you just slow down everything, no more Trump speed.
00:26:47.320 And then people start asking, why isn't anything happening?
00:26:50.520 Why isn't anything happening?
00:26:51.920 Then you enter the Democrats.
00:26:53.340 You get them to move sufficiently, you know, enough to the populist middle or at least the populist left.
00:26:58.700 You get them up on economic issues.
00:27:00.260 Get them to leave identity politics behind for a sense.
00:27:02.400 And by the way, if they win back the House, don't think for a second that Adam Schiff and Jeffries and all these people and Pelosi don't have a couple, three articles of impeachment already sitting on the shelf.
00:27:14.000 100%.
00:27:14.360 Then the subpoenas start.
00:27:15.600 Then the investigations start.
00:27:17.340 And that's it.
00:27:18.040 You've got a year and a half left.
00:27:22.000 It's so obvious what has to happen.
00:27:24.920 Okay, Jack, I know you got a lot to do today.
00:27:27.380 You're going to prerecord the show.
00:27:28.260 You got other things you're doing over the White House.
00:27:29.540 Just take your diary out, Jack, and your number two pencil and write down, Liz, yours, catechism and a training session on Vatican Curia Deep State sometime this evening.
00:27:40.760 I've already got my vote in.
00:27:42.580 I've already got my vote in the conclave.
00:27:44.560 I'm going to hammer it to the doors of the Sistine Chapel.
00:27:46.920 Pope Bannon.
00:27:48.060 Pope Bannon the first.
00:27:49.820 Let's go, folks.
00:27:50.580 What do you think?
00:27:51.140 Pope Bannon the first.
00:27:52.440 No, Cardinal.
00:27:53.180 Cardinal Sarah.
00:27:54.200 Cardinal Sarah.
00:27:55.020 No.
00:27:55.100 He doesn't want it.
00:27:55.700 He doesn't want it.
00:27:56.480 That's how you know he's the man of the job.
00:27:57.940 You need a good Catholic.
00:27:59.120 I'm failed in Catholicism.
00:28:00.720 The unlikeliest of vessels.
00:28:02.620 The Lord uses the unlikeliest of vessels.
00:28:05.140 We got to bounce.
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00:29:29.120 Okay, there's a lot going on.
00:29:30.600 This is Easter Monday, the 21st of April, year of early, 2025.
00:29:34.780 The traditional Easter egg roll is taking place, and Real America's Voice is the pool camera.
00:29:41.580 That's a hat tip to Rob Sigg and Parker Sigg.
00:29:45.760 The great way the channel's coming together, we're the home of MAGA,
00:29:49.060 and it normally takes years or decades to become a pool camera with being one of the mainstream media.
00:29:55.340 So the pool camera day.
00:29:56.200 On the socials of Real America's Voice, on Getter and on particularly Twitter, right?
00:30:05.000 You can pick it up, and they're going to have all the activities of the egg roll.
00:30:09.260 We would normally, and we're thinking about doing a lot about that this morning,
00:30:12.560 but there's just so much going on that is this full-on war against President Trump.
00:30:17.520 And remember, the deep state is an international because it's interlocking from the city of London.
00:30:24.500 When I say the city of London, I'm not talking about London as a city.
00:30:27.740 The city of London is shorthand for their Wall.
00:30:30.440 That's traditionally what has been called their Wall Street, the Wall Street of Europe,
00:30:33.940 and used to be the New York.
00:30:35.860 It used to be the global head of the global capital markets,
00:30:38.140 and still, the way those brothers roll, they still got a lot of stroke.
00:30:42.200 Look, don't think about it because their economy is upside down and they're tiny.
00:30:46.520 They get a lot of stroke throughout the world.
00:30:48.160 MI6, the whole deal.
00:30:50.200 They run a whole bunch of things behind the scenes, or if not run it, strong influence, okay?
00:30:57.280 Liz, you're – so on the intelligence side, they are trying to –
00:31:04.140 because here's what they understand, and Natalie will be here in a little while.
00:31:07.120 So this whole color revolution and get to the streets and get out in the streets and take to the streets,
00:31:13.580 they played this thing up over the weekend, which was the 50-51.
00:31:16.840 That was 50 states, 50 states, 50 events, one common community or something,
00:31:25.380 some kind of bizarro saying that they wanted to unite your people.
00:31:30.040 And they were talking about 10 million.
00:31:31.400 I really want to thank and give a hat tip to Citizen Kane.
00:31:34.740 Over the weekend, he was magnificent once again.
00:31:37.180 This guy does not sleep.
00:31:38.680 Amazing.
00:31:39.320 The stack over at Citizen's Free Press.
00:31:42.040 And if you want – he's the Drudge of the right.
00:31:44.780 And I will say this.
00:31:46.480 He's as good as Drudge is now.
00:31:48.940 He's now – Citizen Kane is as good as Drudge was at the top of Drudge's game
00:31:54.320 when Andrew Breitbart and Drudge ran the site 12 on, 12 off,
00:31:58.640 where there ain't no 12 off for Kane.
00:32:00.980 And his framing this weekend of all these major stories was just nothing short of magnificent.
00:32:07.680 He had the best headline because sometimes he does some editorial in one of his polls.
00:32:11.960 He said, hey, they were expecting 10 million.
00:32:13.600 They got 10,000.
00:32:14.520 Now, I think it might be a little more than 10,000, but it wasn't a lot more.
00:32:18.740 It was an epic flop, flop here in D.C. too.
00:32:21.780 So the color revolution, that not winning.
00:32:23.920 Here's where they're winning.
00:32:26.320 To delay is to deny.
00:32:29.140 And the closer they get to the midterms,
00:32:31.640 they think they're going to get these gutless Republicans to back off any of the push of President Trump
00:32:36.320 beyond the first 100 days, right?
00:32:39.160 So in the courts, in the Supreme Court,
00:32:44.000 there's a good old Donny Burke there with Alito and Thomas,
00:32:48.860 but particularly Alito was thrown down hard.
00:32:50.560 This thing came out in the middle of the night.
00:32:51.920 You're basically saying it's unsatisfactory.
00:32:53.960 The deep state came in and gave the forces against President Trump a huge predicate
00:33:03.900 on the leak of this national intelligence estimate,
00:33:07.920 which was it's all about how you ask the questions.
00:33:10.380 I mean, this thing's like a draft, but it's got the headline number they can get.
00:33:13.880 That's where they're pushing out to say there's no justification intelligence-wise for President Trump to do this.
00:33:20.240 Liz, I go to you.
00:33:21.180 Liz, the Curia, the deep state of the Vatican, which has been at work nonstop since this Bergoglio was there.
00:33:32.540 Vigano put out a thing I put up.
00:33:35.020 He's not particularly sad on this day.
00:33:39.140 Your thoughts, ma'am, for traditional Catholics?
00:33:40.820 No, Vigano said that the subversives that have been put in in the deep church are active and going to make every effort to continue the agenda of Francis.
00:33:54.020 And while I love the idea of Pope Bannon, I think, Steve, you're better off in Paul than you are in white.
00:34:00.880 Stop. Stop.
00:34:02.160 First off, you have to be a good Catholic.
00:34:04.580 I'm not saying burglar.
00:34:05.500 You've got to be a good Catholic.
00:34:06.700 I'm so far from that, man.
00:34:08.380 That's why we have to.
00:34:09.180 For my altivore days, I was there.
00:34:11.920 But ever since then, it's been downhill.
00:34:14.020 So I'm the guy in the last row.
00:34:17.540 But let's go to Jack's point.
00:34:20.600 You can't—and I understand we're going to have a show of force.
00:34:23.140 We're trying to talk Liz into going there.
00:34:24.620 We're going to name some—we're going to have a show of force here in the war room.
00:34:28.260 We already got Harnwell there.
00:34:30.620 We're going to—in fact, he's going to be up in a moment.
00:34:32.340 Hopefully get Tom Williams over at Breitbart to help us out.
00:34:35.860 Others will bring some from the United States.
00:34:37.520 We should have a show of force.
00:34:38.520 But my point to Jack is they're not going to put a traditionalist in that spot.
00:34:44.580 Bergoglio put in—80 percent of the College of Cardinals are his appointees.
00:34:49.060 Am I incorrect in that number, ma'am?
00:34:51.380 You're not incorrect.
00:34:52.340 But Steve, where's your fight?
00:34:54.460 I mean, this is about deadlocking the conclave.
00:34:58.440 This is—
00:34:58.820 Oh, no.
00:34:59.160 I got that.
00:35:00.380 No, I'm 100 percent down.
00:35:02.000 Hold it.
00:35:02.980 Don't miss—okay, don't misread.
00:35:04.640 I want to fight.
00:35:05.800 I want to send people.
00:35:06.780 I want to show a force, flood the zone.
00:35:08.780 We're going to do that and bring up all the elements.
00:35:11.840 However, my point to him was to take some compromise, moderate, or somebody that—they—is a schism the worst thing in the world, ma'am, now?
00:35:22.400 Because the traditional Catholics are on a roll.
00:35:26.660 Well, and they're going to be persecuted, and they're going to go underground like the great Catholics in China did, thanks to Francis.
00:35:32.920 And look, my thought is, this is a turning-the-tables-over-in-the-temple moment.
00:35:39.580 This is the man who is number one in the running, Parolin, the secretary of state, the one who met J.D. Banch.
00:35:46.680 He is the architect of the China agreement that has been renewed three times, the one that has destroyed not only the Catholic Church in China, but every Christian church, every faith-based organization in the country.
00:36:02.120 This is a time to fight.
00:36:04.120 And now we have the young people in France who, by the tens of thousands, are becoming traditional Catholics this past weekend.
00:36:11.920 I mean, Steve, you're right.
00:36:13.040 We are in the Ides of March.
00:36:15.260 We are on the brink of World War III.
00:36:18.140 And whichever battlefront you choose to fight, choose it and fight.
00:36:22.560 I mean, today—I mean, Klaus Schwab stepped down today from the World Economic Forum.
00:36:27.940 McCarrick, who's been the architect of the deep church, died two weeks ago.
00:36:33.280 And now this?
00:36:34.460 I mean, it is time that we need to declare our voice.
00:36:38.920 I mean, personally, I think before the conclave even cast a vote, every single cardinal in the church should declare the China agreement null and void and expose it to the world and make a formal apology to the Christians and Catholics in China.
00:36:57.060 Enough of this nonsense.
00:36:59.540 We've been all pussyfooting around, you know, trying to be, you know, nice little polite Catholics.
00:37:05.260 It is time to fight the church and to fight for those values that MAGA has fought tooth and nail for.
00:37:14.400 This is a MAGA moment in the church.
00:37:17.460 And you say it's a MAGA moment.
00:37:20.720 It's a moment to fight.
00:37:22.440 Traditional Catholicism's on the rise, right?
00:37:25.220 Traditional Catholicism, this is why the FBI did the report.
00:37:30.020 Walk me through.
00:37:30.660 Why do you think this is our moment?
00:37:33.100 Well, because the young people are stepping forward.
00:37:35.800 They have, in the secular culture, they have died for the truth.
00:37:40.120 And now they're coming to the Catholic Church because they know the traditional Catholic Church is where the truth lies.
00:37:46.660 And so even despite this pope who's been a disaster, who has destroyed the traditional church, who has closed it down, shuttered it, arrested, you know, and thrown into the, you know, the brig, any traditional person who wants to celebrate the faith.
00:38:03.880 Now we have our moment because the young people are stepping up in all places of Europe.
00:38:10.220 And we've been waiting for this.
00:38:11.960 But, you know, Viganò says, look, they're trying to deconstruction the Catholic Church.
00:38:16.780 And what they're going to do is they're going to replace it with this New World Order Church.
00:38:22.180 That's why he keeps on calling it the Synodal Church.
00:38:25.220 They have excised Catholicism from the Catholic Church.
00:38:28.920 That's what Bergoglio and his minions have done.
00:38:32.200 And now is the time for all Catholics who love the church, who have been battling Bergoglio.
00:38:39.840 And, you know, is there a man among the Catholic cardinals?
00:38:43.660 Is there a man who will step up and really take the horn and fight for truth?
00:38:50.000 I think we're going to see.
00:38:51.360 But the best thing we can hope for at this point is let's throw the conclave up for grabs.
00:38:58.180 Let's demand that every single file of every predator that has been protected and elevated by Francis is exposed.
00:39:08.360 Let's expose every Freemason who is a cardinal.
00:39:11.940 Let's expose the entire word for word in three iterations of the China agreement.
00:39:18.000 Let's expose that to the world.
00:39:19.780 I mean, this is the time for, you know, the Catholics are supposed to have a voice, right?
00:39:25.240 Isn't that what Francis says?
00:39:26.900 You know, we're now supposed to be the Synodal Church.
00:39:29.560 Well, get your voice and start fighting.
00:39:32.840 Because, you know, this is what the deep state is afraid of.
00:39:36.300 They've had the moral voice of Francis for the last 12 years, Steve.
00:39:41.180 And they have used it in climate change, in migration, in the transgender, in abortion.
00:39:47.920 He has served as their moral voice.
00:39:50.640 Well, no more.
00:39:52.100 He's now going to be judged by God, despite not believing that, you know, there's a hell.
00:39:57.960 Francis, you know, thinks there's no hell.
00:39:59.900 It is time now to, I mean, a doge moment for the church?
00:40:05.680 Yes.
00:40:06.520 Open up the files.
00:40:07.760 It is time to get rid of the filth.
00:40:10.360 And by the way, that Vatican Bank, which was supposed to be examined by internal and external
00:40:17.540 auditors, it never was because Francis closed it down, let's open up the Vatican Bank and
00:40:22.840 let's see the $2 million a year or $2 billion a year grant from the Chinese Communist Party
00:40:30.580 to the Holy See.
00:40:32.860 I mean, enough is enough.
00:40:34.580 If we're not going to fight this battle, then we ought to just submit to the deep state.
00:40:41.400 I'm 100% down and we've got to expose Parolin.
00:40:44.040 I mean, Parolin is the top candidate right now.
00:40:46.480 I mean, he's the guy that cut the deal with the Chinese.
00:40:48.460 He's the worst of the worst in the henchmen and also McCarrick's guy.
00:40:52.660 We ought to open up all the files of McCarrick and all these guys.
00:40:55.280 They have to be opened up and people, people got to say, hey, here's who, here's who, whoever
00:40:59.680 was responsible.
00:41:01.460 You finally got to open up and say, hey, let the chips fall or they may.
00:41:04.980 Right.
00:41:05.720 Because there's going to be some questions going back into John Paul.
00:41:09.100 It's going to be some questions going back into Benedict.
00:41:10.940 It's going to be some questions asked about guys, people that look the other way.
00:41:14.900 Well, you got to do it.
00:41:15.620 You know, how did McCarrick become the Pope of America?
00:41:18.400 How did he become so powerful?
00:41:20.760 A guy that ended up laicizing.
00:41:22.800 Yes, ma'am.
00:41:24.300 And the ultimate question, the ultimate question for our country is, did McCarrick and the Obama
00:41:29.800 and Biden administration play a role in the color revolution of the Catholic Church?
00:41:35.200 That is a defining question.
00:41:37.200 If so, every single act, word, document that was produced by Pope Francis is null and void.
00:41:45.740 Was there a color revolution in the Catholic Church coming out of the administration of
00:41:51.800 Obama and Biden?
00:41:52.720 Hang on one second.
00:41:54.900 We're getting to more of that.
00:41:56.220 In fact, our color revolution expert, Natalie G.
00:41:59.620 Wynn, is going to join us about the epic flop that took place over the weekend as the left took to the streets to protest President Trump over the weekend,
00:42:10.840 which epic fail.
00:42:11.840 I want to thank Cain for putting you up there and framing you so perfectly.
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00:45:27.000 Shouldn't make you feel better, although they didn't ask one tough question.
00:45:30.120 So surprised.
00:45:32.260 I'll try to break that down this afternoon with Joe Allen and others.
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00:45:42.280 Ben Harnwell.
00:45:43.120 Let's go to the...
00:45:44.160 Liz George is going to come back in a moment.
00:45:45.740 Philip Patrick is going to be at the top of the hour.
00:45:47.260 We're going to get Natalie G. Winters up in a moment.
00:45:50.080 But I want to go to the Vatican in Ben Harnwell.
00:45:52.600 Ben, I notice on the live feed from the Vatican, it's not packed.
00:45:57.020 You know, Morning Joe and NBC and CNN and all the Italian media told me there was going to be a million people in St. Peter's Square.
00:46:05.360 You know, weeping, gnashing teeth, crying for this beloved Pope.
00:46:11.200 I don't see that happening.
00:46:12.540 Sir, what's up?
00:46:14.100 Steve, good morning to you on this day of celebration.
00:46:17.400 Well, look, I did send...
00:46:20.020 I did do a bit of footage, which I sent through to Denver.
00:46:22.520 I wonder if they'd be so kind if it's come through just to play as I'm talking.
00:46:26.040 What you'll see there, Steve, is basically a normal weekday here in St. Peter's Piazza in a beautiful April day.
00:46:33.480 You have the tourists milling around and people laughing, joking.
00:46:36.980 What I really wanted to home in on, because it's a great copy, is a nuns ceiling, kneeling, praying, tears, praying the rosary in front of the apostolic palace just over my shoulder there where the great critic lived out in his 12 years.
00:46:53.060 There were just no tears.
00:46:54.280 There were no nuns crying.
00:46:55.720 People just milling around as if it's just a normal Monday.
00:46:58.700 That is the...
00:46:59.820 And this is Rome.
00:47:01.020 This is the Vatican, right?
00:47:02.140 This is the affection that we can see that people had for this guy, that some people are terminating, already calling the Herod the Great of the 21st century.
00:47:13.360 I noticed the BBC said, quoted St. Cardinal.
00:47:15.800 Thanks, Denver.
00:47:16.880 I noticed the BBC quoted him, St. Cardinal, saying that he was...
00:47:21.660 That Pope, inverted commas, Francis, was an authentic disciple of Jesus Christ.
00:47:27.060 Well, of course, under a certain prospect, he was, but the disciple is Judas Iscariot.
00:47:32.320 It'll take 100 years, Steve, 100 years to undo the damage that this man has done in just a little over a decade.
00:47:40.300 Wrecked the faith, wrecked vocations, wrecked the credibility of the teaching office of the Catholic Church in the public square.
00:47:47.700 And, of course, within, I think, 15 to 20 days, those are the limits from today.
00:47:52.520 There'll be a new Pope elected or possibly even a new anti-Pope elected.
00:47:56.340 Hang on.
00:47:57.020 That will try to provide a huge damage that is being done.
00:47:59.880 Before we get into the process and before we get into all of that, I want to go back, and I'm going to hit Liz with this for a second,
00:48:07.880 because I'm sure some people are, like, in shock when the mainstream media is saying this guy is the shoes of the fishermen, right,
00:48:14.300 in a populist and one of the people.
00:48:16.600 You just said it would take 100 years to undo the damage he's done to the traditional Catholic Church.
00:48:22.040 What do you mean by that, sir?
00:48:25.020 Well, one of the great evangelistic attributes for the Catholic Church, especially when we're talking to non-Catholics, to our separated brethren,
00:48:35.820 the key point of its credibility is the fact that its teaching has never changed in 2,000 years.
00:48:42.480 Now, putting aside for one moment the Second Vatican Council, which massively changed the Catholic Church from top to bottom,
00:48:50.440 this papacy specifically, you then went and touched the third rail of Catholic teaching on some of the key issues,
00:48:58.240 like divorce and remarriage.
00:48:59.420 You don't have to know anything about the Catholic Church for 2,000 years to know that it was against divorce and remarriage.
00:49:06.440 Under this so-called papacy of the last 12 years, that's no longer an issue.
00:49:11.640 Under Pope Francis, he reopened the possibility for the divorced and the remarried to receive communion.
00:49:19.060 Something so scandalous that our Lord, John the Baptist, was beheaded,
00:49:24.440 was very witness to the indissolubility of marriage.
00:49:28.040 But then, of course, you have Takamama, just down there, 100 yards down there on the left, Steve,
00:49:35.900 where so-called Pope Francis had erected these idols to a South American goddess, a pagan goddess, in a church, in a Catholic church.
00:49:47.160 One of our great friends, Steve, went in there, took these idols and threw them into the Tiber quite appropriately.
00:49:54.380 Exactly. These things, the indissolubility, the unchanging aspect of the Catholic Church's teaching is now under question.
00:50:01.680 Hang on.
00:50:01.960 Okay, because some of the audience may not be familiar with some of the things you're talking about.
00:50:07.880 Talk about, we've got a minute or so, talk about a couple of years ago, he had these essentially pagans from South America,
00:50:16.060 I think around the Amazon, come and do a whole festival for a couple of days that was just flat out, you know,
00:50:23.960 pre-Columbian paganism, when Latin America and Central America did such a tremendous job of vocations and conversions down there.
00:50:32.840 Give me a minute on that, how outrageous it was.
00:50:35.140 It took, I think, a German or Dutch young person, this is why the young people are leading in the church to get back traditional values.
00:50:43.080 He went in and actually took one of the pagan idols that I think was on the property of the Vatican where the ceremony had taken place
00:50:51.640 and took it and threw it in the Tiber River that's right there in the middle of Rome, the ancient Tiber.
00:50:57.340 He threw it off a bridge.
00:50:59.020 Sir.
00:50:59.420 Steve, look, the very scandalous aspect of the whole Pachamama situation isn't so much the fact that idols to false gods were erected in a consecrated Catholic church.
00:51:11.820 You know what the real scandalous point about that is?
00:51:13.780 It's that the pagans have more serious devotion to their false gods than the Catholic hierarchy has towards the true living God.
00:51:23.620 That is the most scandalous thing about this aspect.
00:51:26.460 Everyone, you know, on the face of the planet, over thousands of years of human existence, people have had different religious beliefs, and, you know, and we've been able to get by it largely.
00:51:35.100 That's the fact that there are other false religions.
00:51:38.340 And I open a bracket on that point.
00:51:40.060 One of the other heretical aspects of Pope Francis is that he said that God wills the false religions.
00:51:47.160 I'll come back to that after the break.
00:51:48.760 But the real scandalous point here is that the Catholic Church showed that the whole world, it had less faith in the true God than the pagans had in their false God.
00:51:59.760 Yeah.
00:52:00.620 Hang on for a second, Ben.
00:52:02.720 We're going to reset here in the second hour.
00:52:06.400 Ben Harnwell's at St. Peter's Square in Vatican City.
00:52:11.000 Liz Yor joins us.
00:52:12.160 Natalie G. Winters is going to break down what happened over the weekend on the revolt against President Trump in the streets.
00:52:18.460 Epic flop.
00:52:19.860 Philip Patrick's going to join us because gold's on fire.
00:52:22.680 Blows through $3,400.
00:52:25.500 We're talking about Pete Hexas in the Pentagon.
00:52:27.640 All of it this morning.
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