On this week's show, we discuss the possibility of James Comey being charged with perjury in relation to his testimony before Congress in September of 2020. We also discuss the latest in the Jimmy Kimmel saga, and what it means for the future of free speech in America.
00:00:00.000We are following, as we promised, breaking news. It's out of the Eastern District of Virginia, where three sources familiar tell MSNBC former FBI director James Comey is expected to be indicted in the coming days.
00:00:13.760The full extent of the charges being prepared against Comey is unclear.
00:00:17.880So, Katie, we have some sources who say that for several weeks now, the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia, and actually in offices that are potentially much further south than Alexandria, have been eyeing ways to indict Comey, and they are getting very much closer.
00:00:37.260The statute of limits, forgive me, rephrase, they are arguing that Comey, there is evidence to suggest Comey lied to Congress in his testimony on the Hill in September of 2020.
00:00:50.660And for viewers out in the audience who may not be legally as nerdy as me and Ken, I'll just say that there's a statute of limitations to charge people with the crime of lying to Congress or perjury, and that's five years.
00:01:05.960The five-year statute runs this month.
00:01:10.620So, the most famous example in recent years of writing is Brenton Tarrant, who is the Christchurch shooter, you know, a mosque in New Zealand, and he wrote all over his weapon system and on his ammunition, very hateful, anti-Muslim, white power, neo-Nazi stuff.
00:01:29.520That was emulated by other shooters here in the United States later on.
00:01:33.620So, suggesting that this writing is part of a pattern, you might see some people stealing it now, but, I mean, traditionally in terrorism, you want to put across your message of why you're doing this.
00:01:47.960But I do think it's important to really dig in to find out what his motivation was.
00:01:52.080Is it something broader, or did he have a family member that was affected by an ICE raid?
00:01:56.820Is this a grievance, a personal grievance, or is he acting out against the government because he's seeing injustice?
00:02:03.980And if you want to look at trends in the United States, yes, this could be emergence of more violence from the left, but anti-government movements have also come from the right.
00:02:14.420If you look at Oklahoma City bombing, that was a culmination of the patriot movement, but it really came out of Ruby Ridge and Waco, and those things led to a trajectory that had Oklahoma City bombing.
00:02:30.080You would categorize this more as an anti-government movement, potentially?
00:02:34.420We don't know, but I think we have to change the framework in which we categorize offenders at this point.
00:02:39.740When we first started in the counterterrorism space, people neatly fit into boxes when it came to motives.
00:02:45.460In today's day and age, the biggest threat we face is from lone offenders, and oftentimes, lone offenders with a co-mingling of ideologies.
00:02:52.220There's not one thing that's leading them to take a weapon and to engage in violence.
00:02:56.580It can be a confluence of factors, and interestingly, Katie, a lot of times, a lot of ideologies that are seemingly at odds.
00:03:03.200So we really need to change the framework that we're using to try to analyze these threats.
00:03:06.920This is the response, I think, that Dominic is talking about.
00:03:34.140I mean, with Donald Trump, it's one of those things where it's like, did he make it up, or is he sharing something out of school?
00:03:41.960Both are very Donald Trump characteristics, so it's hard to know.
00:03:45.480I think the interesting thing, that post goes on to talk about how much money he got out of ABC from the lawsuit after the George Stephanopoulos shakedown that they settled.
00:03:56.760And I think that we're getting to an interesting place where he goes on to talk about how he wants to get more money out of them this time, and he wants to sue them again this time.
00:04:05.560And it's sort of this, like, authoritarianism by lawsuit, or what was the Ted Cruz line about Brendan Carr, a mobster?
00:04:17.660It's a little different than, you know, kind of authoritarian attacks on free speech in other countries, the kinds that Jimmy Kimmel was talking about in his monologue, right?
00:04:25.440Because it failed, like, it failed to shut him down completely.
00:04:28.880He wasn't on in some markets last night.
00:04:31.880But it failed to shut him down, and they failed in some of their most overt authoritarian attempts, which is good.
00:04:38.120And yet he still is using the presidency in a way that no other president has, certainly in modern times, to bully people, to shake people down, to extort people,
00:04:49.340to try to get money for himself, to try to line the pockets of either him or his family or his presidential library.
00:04:56.720And he's doing that in a very overt manner.
00:04:59.480And in some ways, I don't know, this might be another Trumpian innovation.
00:05:02.380I mean, obviously, there have been corrupt banana republics before, but, like, this sort of, like, quasi-authoritarian, it is different than what we see when we talk about the authoritarian attacks in other countries.
00:05:20.240And Democrats, frankly, have had a difficult time pushing back.
00:05:24.100And Democrats feel that, you know, at times there's sort of this weakness that dominates our brand and our party.
00:05:29.620And I think what people appreciate is that we're willing to fight, and not only fight symbolically by having a little bit of fun, but fight substantively.
00:05:37.680We have 41 lawsuits against this son of a bitch.
00:06:11.060Well, he certainly promised revenge and retribution in this campaign.
00:06:15.560When voters went to the ballot box, that was very clear that that's part of what they were choosing if they chose Donald Trump.
00:06:21.920And he promised it on his political enemies like James Comey.
00:06:26.080I think it's hard to make the case, even for President Trump, that Comey somehow wronged his voters.
00:06:36.040But I will say that sense of martyring himself, there is still this broader sense that does appeal to Trump's voters of sort of broader grievance, right?
00:08:20.740Comey had no impact on the MAGA voters.
00:08:26.220January 6th, the other things that Comey did for his entire time.
00:08:33.740He built up the entire FBI apparatus that did Russiagate that came after President Trump and put in all the agents and all the field offices that Chris Ray, you know, use in that mentality, that politicized mentality against MAGA was January 6th, the abortion clinics, the kicking, you know, the Catholic Church.
00:08:54.400All of it was all Comey had built in there.
00:08:58.160Comey totally went after the MAGA movement, right?
00:09:14.520I mean, this is a problem that Cash and Dan are facing at the FBI.
00:09:18.680You have this megalomaniac, Jim Comey, who has infected, who did infect the entire Bureau with that sort of approach, with his deception, with his abusing power to go after political enemies, starting with Donald Trump.
00:09:36.340And, yes, this manifested in not just the January 6th persecution, raids across the country, armed raids with little mini Jim Comeys beating down the doors of American citizens and arresting them on, you know, nonviolent misdemeanors or bogus felony charges.
00:09:55.740But then, of course, his buddies still being in office and then pursuing President Trump in two federal criminal indictments that were brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith, who, of course, was in the Obama DOJ at the same time James Comey was there as well.
00:10:16.620So, Julie, you've covered this better than anybody.
00:10:19.080The statute of limitations, I think, the five years does run out, I think, in 10 days or sometime midweek next week.
00:10:29.860What is this potential indictment coming against James Comey?
00:10:34.800So, Steve, it appears that this will be either contempt of Congress or perjury lying to Congress related to his September 30th 2020 testimony before the Senate committee that was investigating the origins of Crossfire Hurricane.
00:10:54.840And it appears that this will address Jim Comey's testimony and his story, let's say, that he did not leak those memos that he was taking in real time after meetings with the president.
00:11:10.240So, as you recall, the president met with Jim Comey privately, I think, six or seven times.
00:11:16.380Jim Comey, then head of the FBI, would go right into his SUV, get his laptop and take notes recalling the subject, the topic of that conversation.
00:11:29.220And it appears that this specific memo that he took, and then he stored those memos at his home, I believe, four of the seven that he took, he stored at home.
00:11:43.160He says to his friend, Daniel Richmond, who I think was a professor at Columbia, and then instructed Richmond to leak this particular memo to the New York Times.
00:11:57.660It was about the conversation, February 14th, 2017, about the Flynn investigation, and the president allegedly telling Jim Comey, you know, I hope you'll go easy on Mike Flynn, or something to the effect of those words, according to Jim Comey.
00:12:15.600So, it looks like, and Daniel Richmond was subpoenaed earlier this month.
00:12:21.160It is reported that he met with prosecutors in the Eastern District of Virginia last week.
00:12:52.260Also, the kind of sketchy report we got from DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz in 2019 that said, oh, yeah, Jim Comey really shouldn't have kept those notes.
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00:16:37.740Well, you know, it's kind of a new thing, but it is overdue, in my opinion, for federal law enforcement to be treating Antifa as a domestic terror threat.
00:16:47.500And there are various ways that can be done.
00:16:49.220And again, I don't want to tip off people as to what the exact details of it are, but the president has laid out in his executive order some very accurate facts.
00:16:57.420I've been following and suing and dealing with Antifa for the better part of a decade now.
00:17:01.380And what I can tell you is his order is exactly correct.
00:17:05.000It is a paramilitary terror-type organization that is loosely organized deliberately into little cells.
00:17:14.040Each of those little cells doesn't know what the other cell is doing.
00:17:17.020They report up through a management structure.
00:17:18.780There are national leaders of Antifa who travel around fomenting violence at different functions and riots that they have.
00:17:31.780They are issued with weapons, including hardened gloves and things like that.
00:17:38.600And they regularly wreak mayhem, including against ICE facilities on the West Coast.
00:17:46.640And so it is way past time for the United States to take this very seriously and put resources behind it, learn about it.
00:17:53.660ICE is kind of an out—I mean, sorry, Antifa is kind of an outgrowth of Black Bloc and other type of political left-wing Marxist movements in Europe.
00:18:02.400And there's a lot of study about what they're doing over there.
00:18:07.040So we just need to do our homework, learn, and devote the necessary resources to this.
00:18:10.780I, for one, am relieved this is happening because this is a national terror threat.
00:20:25.420And I might add, because we had a little voice behind the scenes on this,
00:20:29.760it is pushing, I think, current legal boundaries about domestic terror versus international global terror.
00:20:38.320You make the case, Antifa is a global terrorist organization.
00:20:40.920And it's not the foot soldier she was talking about.
00:20:42.840It's not even the second tier of the military, ex-military people who train them.
00:20:46.760It's really the NGOs, the big institutions, the Tides Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation.
00:20:54.120I'm throwing out some names, just random names and source and all that of how these things are organized finance and who in media are their partners.
00:21:46.060We couldn't afford any unforced errors.
00:21:49.140Unfortunately, we have seen so many that have been a distraction, that have left the base justifiably rattled and nervous,
00:21:59.980that we are going to see a repeat of things that we saw in the first Trump term, not because of the president, because we have a different president this time.
00:22:09.260And he has a different installation around him than he had the first go around.
00:23:00.780And I know that some of that has gone on.
00:23:03.180But what they are up against is almost insurmountable.
00:23:09.840That's why, like I said, couldn't afford any mistakes, can't afford any mistakes, and certainly can't create them and then keep talking and talking and talking.
00:23:24.180We were taking apart like the D.C. court and the appellate court and everything in D.C. with Peter Navarro.
00:23:33.000Spent an hour with him last night on the show, on the 6 o'clock show, about how he and I didn't even realize how corrupt it was until we got sucked into the process.
00:23:42.220This is why I keep saying a maximalist strategy with a sense of urgency, and the objective is to seize the institutions.
00:23:50.440They're just looking at Trump as a passing phenomenon.
00:23:54.960Their plan now is how to wait him out, and that includes some people in his administration that are still rhinos and globalists, right?
00:24:03.860It includes definitely the Democratic Party, but it also includes the business community, all of it.
00:24:08.340They think this is a passing summer storm, a bad storm, but it's a passing summer storm, and it will be over.
00:24:15.600And once it's over, they look at who they got out there, and they say, none of these guys scare us.
00:24:29.700We're barely hanging on at the Justice Department.
00:24:32.180Your point, everything's got to be perfect or they're leaking on you all the time.
00:24:35.520And this concept of blue slips, for folks that maybe missed our lesson on this in the past, this is a convention, a custom and tradition where the senators, whether from red states or blue states, kind of get approval of who's going to be on the list to be judges in their districts and who are going to be the U.S. attorneys.
00:24:55.300And that is a concept behind the scenes of how things kind of balance out, right?
00:24:59.760You kind of keep everybody united by doing that.
00:25:03.420But what that stops is putting in, quite frankly, MAGA-oriented U.S. attorneys and judges, particularly in a place like Maryland.
00:25:12.100It's always going to have two Democratic U.S. senators.
00:25:15.740And so now more than ever, we have to hit this system with a blowtorch or you're going to find out.
00:25:22.520This gets back to my speech at Turning Point in July.
00:25:27.340If we don't take the administrative state and the deep state down now on this watch, it ain't going to happen.
00:25:33.460And here's what number one is going to happen.
00:25:35.480They're going to put everybody in jail.
00:25:37.480Hakeem Jeffries just told you that two nights ago.
00:25:39.640They're going to put everybody in jail.
00:25:47.300Julie Kelly, your observations on that.
00:25:50.620Well, I mean, as someone I think who covered the D.C. court system closer than anyone on our side, you know, I called for the defunding and dismantling of that federal courthouse for years after having seen what they did to average Americans who were completely defenseless and destroyed by the Biden DOJ.
00:26:11.680And watching these judges in action, we have not had one single impeachment inquiry, not one, into a federal judge in Washington.
00:26:20.400If you're telling me, Steve, if House Republicans would have started an inquiry into former Chief Judge Beryl Howell, everything that she did to the president, all of his White House associates, his attorneys, J6 defendants, allowing the entire Florida documents case to be investigated in Washington, then switch the jurisdiction at the last minute to get the indictment in Florida by reading transcripts before D.C.
00:26:49.400I mean, if this is not malfeasance and misconduct at the highest level of our judiciary, I don't know what is.
00:26:58.460You're telling me House Republicans wouldn't open a single inquiry into her or into Jeb Bosberg for what he did and has done, that it would not be a little shot across the bow to these judges?
00:27:10.400Okay, well, you know, this can happen. I don't want my records for the entire country to see. I want my name dirtied up. I want to be a hero like I'm considered in Washington, D.C.
00:27:21.920So the president and his administration, including the DOJ, do not have backs of Republicans in Congress.
00:27:31.200So that is very problematic for them as well. Republicans are not doing their side of the deal either.
00:27:38.300And I think that that adds to our frustration.
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00:30:05.840YouTube announced yesterday it would open the door for channels that were banned to be reinstated.
00:30:12.380Some of the bans were for posting about COVID-19 or the 2020 election.
00:30:17.560Again, this comes after Representative Jim Jordan subpoenaed Alphabet's CEO, alleging that YouTube was a direct participant in the federal government's censorship regime.
00:30:29.520Joining us now, Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio.
00:30:32.580He's the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
00:30:35.200And I'm glad to have you on, even though it's a phoner.
00:30:37.780I know you're in the great state of Ohio, Congressman.
00:30:42.180I mean, we heard something similar a year ago from, I think, Facebook sort of copying to the same thing.
00:31:10.080Or, you know, Google or YouTube admitted yesterday that they, like these other platforms, were censoring, were being pressured by the Biden administration to censor speech.
00:31:20.280I mean, you've got one of these, you know, Google is a huge market cap company censoring, you know, half their customers, in essence.
00:31:28.000And I think the big takeaway was they're going to reinstate people that they've actually taken their channel from them, that they kicked off.
00:31:33.560And then they also said they committed to never use these fact checkers like these other platforms, you know, these independent fact checkers who think they're so much smarter than the rest of us but are just biased individuals.
00:32:34.340And we are adamantly opposed to what Biden and the Biden regime did, but I think you've got a very sophisticated take on what actually happened.
00:32:41.740Can you explain to our audience what actually went on, sir?
00:32:46.800So, you know, it's great that they've come out with this report and they're highlighting all the nefarious things that have happened over the last four years.
00:32:56.640But what I think this report is missing, in fact, what I know it is missing and what Google is not saying is what happened in 2020, in late 2020, prior to the Biden administration.
00:33:21.520You came on November 6th and joined Rumble in 2020.
00:33:25.780That's three days after the election in November 3rd.
00:33:29.280But what really happened in October, and I don't know if you were part of this or I just know that you guys joined in November, but you may have been part of this.
00:33:36.820But the bannings happened in October of 2020.
00:33:40.580So when you look at that, what does that really actually mean?
00:33:44.240It means, in my opinion, that Google interfered in the 2020 elections.
00:33:48.640They banned all the many conservative voices on their platform prior to the election on November 3rd, 2020.
00:33:55.480And Rumble was a recipient of all these creators moving their audiences over to Rumble in October of 2020.
00:34:04.260And Dan Bongino was part of the two biggest names they talk about in the headlines.
00:34:07.740All the headlines yesterday, Bongino and Bannon, can go back to – October 20 is an interesting date because they banned us all and started moving and suppressing us for the laptop from hell.
00:34:22.140That's what they didn't want there, and Google was absolutely adamant about it.
00:34:39.380This was all big tech working in unison with the – essentially the deep state because President Trump was still president, the deep state to shut down any kind of mention of the laptop from hell.
00:34:54.940And now we know it's 100 percent true, which is what he said at the time.
00:34:57.620I was the guy that did the China part for Rudy and the team that did it.
00:35:02.840So if it hadn't been for you and you absolutely nailed it, I don't know why more people are not talking about this.
00:35:08.420The reality is it was done way before Biden came in.
00:35:11.640It was done to steal the election from Donald Trump, sir.
00:35:17.120This was – yeah, people are missing the plot on this.
00:35:20.540This was, in my opinion, the greatest election interference.
00:35:24.740The first person that came to rumble was actually Congressman Devin Nunes in August of 2020.
00:35:31.820And what he noticed was that something was really, really wrong on the platform.
00:35:58.480Within two to three months, he accumulates like 200,000 to 300,000 subscribers.
00:36:02.980Whereas for the prior four years, he didn't have more than 10,000 subscribers while he's advertising his podcast on road signs in California.
00:36:13.980But now, looking at this report, it is very clear to me that there was an absolute censorship happening to an elected member of Congress, Congressman Devin Nunes, for sure.
00:36:24.260Because how does he have – how does he get 300,000 subscribers in a couple months, whereas he only gets 10,000 in four years on YouTube?
00:36:33.060So whether they were banning creators – they were definitely banning creators on October of 2020.
00:36:39.300But they were – and they were certainly shadow banning and steering content in a specific direction so that when you searched Congressman Devin Nunes on Google, you're going to get a New York Times hit piece, a CNN hit piece.
00:36:52.120You're going to get hit piece after hit piece after hit piece.
00:36:54.240And you're not going to be able to find the actual content of Congressman Devin Nunes, his actual – what he actually believes.
00:37:01.380And to me, this is the biggest story of what really happened over the last five years.
00:37:06.120And Rumble's been in the middle of this from the beginning.
00:37:08.600We – you can say that they're going to bring back the creators on the platform, but whatever way the wind blows for these tech executives, like at Google, like at Facebook, they will capitulate to any government around the world, whoever the government may be.
00:38:42.660The executives made a decision in 2020 to remove all creators on the platform, all creators that got banned in October 20, and they did it because they thought the wind was blowing a specific way.
00:38:57.840And they're just going to do that again and again and again.
00:39:00.760They do not have the values that Rumble has.
00:39:03.180They do not have the values that many conservatives have.
00:39:13.860And what is happening right now is just a little temporary bandage to try to appease all the conservatives for the next couple years or, you know, could be 10 years, could be 12 years, could be two years.
00:39:27.340Until they think the wind is blowing in a different direction, we'll see what they do then.
00:39:32.000But I'm pretty confident they're just going to capitulate, and they're going to go whatever way the wind blows, and they're not going to have any values behind that.
00:39:51.500Take your number two pencil out and write down Wednesday, 24 September, the year of our Lord, 2025, in the 5 o'clock hour, what Chris just told you.
00:40:00.780Because as sure as the turning of the earth, it's going to happen.
00:40:05.740And that's why platforms like Rumble fight the good fight every day.
00:40:09.940Chris, how do people go find out more on your social media?
00:40:12.060How do they find out more about Rumble and what you guys have built over there?
00:40:23.140But you can go straight to rumble.com.
00:40:25.660You can find the War Room right there on the home page.
00:40:31.140You can subscribe to the War Room channel.
00:40:33.900And every day, I guess at 10 a.m. and at 5 p.m., you'll get a notification that the War Room goes live, unlike these other platforms that perhaps don't send notifications every single time everyone goes live.
00:40:47.420But you'll always, without a doubt, be sure that we'll be broadcasting the War Room and many others.
00:40:53.440We know we're building on rock over rumble, sir, because I can tell you, I can tell you with all the different chat rooms we got going simultaneously in all the different platforms, the rumble chat sticks out.
00:42:12.040Beattie was still was one of the speechwriters at the White House.
00:42:16.160And they came with all the evidence of how big tech had had gotten bitch slapped, had a wake up call that we had used social media much more sophisticated than the Democrats.
00:42:24.760And remember, they had their whole staffs.
00:42:26.320They had these these sessions where they're all crying and, you know, taking the conch shells and cutting their forehead and and and and and belly aching.
00:42:33.660And in a fetal position terrible that Trump, the savage orange man bad had taken the White House and they vowed never happen again.
00:42:40.860That's what happened in the run up to 2020.
00:42:44.520Now, we got banned earlier for in some of these social media platforms about Fauci.
00:42:48.720But in the run up to 2020, particularly around October 20th, the laptop from hell.
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00:44:53.580We're going to drill down tomorrow on the shooter, but this guy was Antifa adjacent or Antifa affiliated in the Discord chats, was terminally online all the time.
00:45:06.140They're saying he's a copycat of the person that assassinated Charlie Kirk.
00:45:12.200Well, we don't know who assassinated Charlie Kirk.