Episode 4857： The Indictment Of John Bolton
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Bolton is the third high profile Trump political enemy to face an indictment in as many as three weeks, and the first to be charged with mishandling classified documents. Stephen K. Bannon explains why this is a good thing.
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Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice Department will ask a federal grand jury today
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to indict President Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton.
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This would be the third indictment of the president's self-described political enemies
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in just three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a terrific group of reporters,
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including Caitlin Polance, who is bringing us this reporting. Caitlin, what do we know?
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Well, Dana, we know now from various sources that the grand jury in Maryland in federal court
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is expected to be hearing evidence about John Bolton. This afternoon, the Justice Department is
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expected to go in there and ask for an indictment of the former national security advisor to Donald
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Trump and somebody who is not just well known from the Trump era, but a longtime government official.
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This is a case where it's been in the works for years. It's been worked on because
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Bolton at one point was discovered having an AOL email account, according to the sources I've
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talked to, where he was writing notes to himself about his time in the Trump White House, and that
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could include classified documents. We also know from a recent search just two months ago that there
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were many documents, including ones labeled as about weapons of mass destruction, about allied
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strikes, things that had markings on them that said classified secret. There were phones, computers,
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drives, all of that seized from his house. His lawyer has said this could all be very old material from
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the George W. Bush administration and nothing inappropriate was being kept by Bolton. But there
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is still a important possibility here that this is a very serious national security case and that the
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Justice Department does continue wanting to enforce cases like these. It might not be all of a political
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decision. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going
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medieval on these people. You're just not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people.
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The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do
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everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do
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people like that go to share the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these
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people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to
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save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Here in the room, it's Thursday, October 16th in the year of our lawyer 2025. And I'm extremely
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pleased to be able to sit here and tell you specifically the wonderful CNN commentators
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that their projections have actually materialized and that John Bolton just a few minutes before
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coming to air has indeed been indicted by a federal grand jury in Maryland. We're going to have Mike
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Davis on shortly to walk us through the intricacies of this case, certainly the opening salvo. And it's
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going to be a long fight, dare I say, feeling a little retribution at the moment. Although, as we've
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always said, it's not retribution, it's accountability and it's this. But I was reading the CNN textual
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article synopsis of the indictments against John Bolton and described him, you know, woe is me,
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poor John Bolton. Apparently now they don't seem to care about people who allegedly maintain
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classified documents. I think their coverage of the Mar-a-Lago raid was a little bit different,
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but they described him as, quote, the third high profile Trump political enemy to face an indictment.
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And what I would humbly posit as a correction to the editorial stance of CNN is that John Bolton isn't
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just an enemy to Trump, that's secondary tertiary to all this, but he's an enemy to the United States
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of America. Maybe that's a harsh charge, although I point in which you're getting indicted for
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mishandling classified documents. I think that's probably a fair accusation. But why do I say that?
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I think John Bolton has always been that creepy mustache wearing token Republican that has sort of
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floated around the mainstream media commentariat that is too busy lecturing this audience applauding
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Steve Bannon going to prison and saying we're the ones who are destroying the sea, that we're the
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people who don't respect the norms of democratic transition. Well, last time I checked, mishandling
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classified documents is probably not respecting the transition of power, John Bolton. But please keep
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lecturing us on how important the rule of law is and how terrible January 6th was, right? It's Donald
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Trump who's not a crap because he doesn't understand the value of democracy when you're busy. Who knows
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where you're passing off these documents to? I mean, obviously, you've engaged in information
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warfare against the American people. I just have to turn on CNN for a second to see that. But you've
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also probably engaged, honestly, I'd say sort of second, third level removed kinetic warfare with all the
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Iran warmongering that you've been responsible. Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice
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Department will ask a federal grand jury today to indict President Trump's former national security
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advisor, John Bolton. This would be the third indictment of the president's self-described political
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enemies in just three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a terrific group of reporters,
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including Caitlin Polance, who is bringing us this reporting. Caitlin, what do we know?
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Well, Dana, we know now from various sources that the grand jury in Maryland in federal court is
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expected to be hearing evidence about John Bolton. This afternoon, the Justice Department is expected to
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go in there and ask for an indictment of the former national security advisor to Donald Trump and somebody
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who is not just well known from the Trump era, but a longtime government official. This is a case
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where it's been in the works for years. It's been worked on because Bolton at one point was discovered
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having an AOL email account, according to the sources I've talked to, where he was writing notes to
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himself about his time in the Trump White House, and that could include classified documents. We also know
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from a recent search just two months ago that there were many documents, including ones labeled as
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about weapons of mass destruction, about allied strikes, things that had markings on them that said
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classified, secret. There were phones, computers, drives, all of that ceased from his house.
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His lawyer has said this could all be very old.
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Having some technical difficulties, maybe we can blame it on John Bolton, but I am back. I don't know what
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I was talking about. Maybe the third kinetic world war is too hot to touch for the global internet
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sensors. Not here on RAV. We love RAV, always an honor to host. But this is why I hate Bolton,
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because people like him, he represents, he is the tip of the information warfare sphere of people
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who think that they are better than you because they have access to classified information.
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They think that they're better than you because they have stupid appointed fellowships and think
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tank positions at Brookings and the Atlantic Council and all of these fake organizations
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that don't exist because of anything rooted in American identity or putting America first,
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but exist solely because they take force and they have absolutely no respect for the rule of law.
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All they care about is getting rich, selling this country down the river. John Bolton is the epitome
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of managed decline. And it is quite not just symbolic, but important that people like him
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are held to account and not made an example of political or politicized or legal lawfare reasons,
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but for the sake of this country. Because if people like him are allowed to continue to sell this
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country and our secrets down the river while actively engaging and conspiring with foreign countries
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to drag us into more foreign entanglements, if not outright wars, nothing is going to happen.
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I don't care how many people you deport. It's people like John Bolton who are the enemy within.
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And I'm glad you're getting a little taste of your own medicine. And I really look forward to
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watching MSNBC, CNN, TatePic, all of those shows tonight, which had a very different tune when it
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came to President Trump's Mar-a-Lago raid and the classified documents. I'm going to be watching
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with a very close eye to see if there's any nice double standards. I'd argue probably triple
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standards. There, Mike Davis. You've got a high bar to come in hotter than that. But I know you
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probably dislike John Bolton more than I do, not for personal reasons, but for the fact that he
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mishandled classified documents, which last time I checked, the left really hates. They raided a
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fucking former president's home. Yeah, so I'm reading through this. I'm reading through this
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26-page indictment, Natalie. It's out of the District of Maryland. The U.S. attorney in the
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District of Maryland is a career federal prosecutor. They worked with the National Security Division
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and Maine Justice. There are several career attorneys' names on this indictment. So this is
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not a political indictment. It's a very serious indictment. You're looking at 18 different counts
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against John Bolton. I think eight of them were for transmitting national defense information. That
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means he was sending national defense information apparently through his AOL accounts or his personal
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email accounts. And then they got him for 10 counts of retaining national defense information. These are
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very serious espionage charges. And what's so damning for John Bolton in this indictment is they go
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through in this indictment to show his knowledge and intent. They go through and quote John Bolton in the
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past for when he's talked about how doing the very things he allegedly did here is a very serious
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national security crime espionage. And they go through these documents. And some of these documents
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are top secret with codenames. So these are beyond top secret documents for as far as I can tell
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from his time as the president's national security advisor. So he had access to some of the most
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he had access to the most classified information in all of our governments. And he's sending it
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via personal email and he's retaining it. So you're not going to be able to say this is a political
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case here with the career prosecutors in the District of Maryland, the career prosecutors
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at Maine Justice and the National Security Division and just the magnitude of the number of
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classified documents, highly classified documents that he sent and that he retained. He's in a very
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deep hole. And it looks like John Bolton, if these allegations are true, he's going to go to prison for a very
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long time. Walk us through the timeline on this. Is there going to be a perp walk? What does that look
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like? That's a very good question. That's going to be up to the prosecutors in the District of
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Maryland. I know Lindsay Halligan made the decision and I think the correct decision. I didn't think it
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was correct at the time, but I understood her rationale. She made the correct decision not to perp walk
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James Comey and Tish James, Big Tish, for their charges in the Eastern District of Virginia
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for lying to Congress, false statements to Congress and obstruction of a congressional
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investigation for Comey, for mortgage fraud, bank fraud, and false statements to a financial
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institution for Big Tish James, the New York Attorney General, because she didn't want to create
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sympathy for those defendants in the Eastern District of Virginia, which is loaded up
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with government workers and other Democrats. You're going to have the same issue in Maryland.
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And so we may not see perp walks here because they may want to keep this low key. On the other
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hands, espionage is a very serious charge, as John Bolton has said repeatedly and as the prosecutors
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outlined in this indictment. This was an indictment by Democrats, largely Democrats in the suburbs of
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Washington, D.C. and Maryland, just like Lindsay got with the suburbs of D.C. and Alexandria in the
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Eastern District of Virginia. It's this is I'm reading through again. I'm just reading through this now.
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It's 26 pages, but these are very serious charges.
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war room posse's superpower. But I would encourage the war room posse to go read this 26 page indictment
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Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. And we're impossible. You should go
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You're back in the war room where we got the one and only Norbin Laden, who I always love having on
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the show, but it's sort of a Pavlovian response where anytime we have you on, it means the United
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Nations is doing something bad. Although at least this time, the Trump administration is fighting
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back. Washington, a lot of people, even in Trump's cabinet, are talking about this new global carbon
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tax. I know that's thrown around a lot and sort of maybe hyperbolic sometimes, but this time, from
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what I gather, the UN is being pretty straight up about what their ambitions are, wanting to tax carbon
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emissions, shipping, all that kind of stuff. Can you walk us through who the players are in this,
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what exactly this looks like, and just help us understand what's actually going on here?
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Yes, of course, Natalie. Great to be on with you and to discuss this topic, because there's so much
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going on. The news cycle is really crazy, but this is actually very, very important.
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And I'll just set up a little bit of the context, but basically, obviously, you have the UN, all of
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its daughter organizations, this entire globalist superstructure, and the agency, the specialized UN
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agency that we're going to talk about today is the International Maritime Organization,
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IMO. And they are at the center of this war that is being waged right now between the Trump
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administration fighting hard, pushing back against this new global tax that they are pushing
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onto the world via its member states. And so what essentially is happening is that you have this
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law. So the IMO is tasked basically with overseeing and regulating the seas, the entire shipping
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industry. And they've been, you know, added since 1948, since their inception, there's one key
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instrument that they've set up, which is the MARPL, the Convention for the Prevention of Pollution
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from Ships. This dates back to the 70s. And they are currently amending it to add in this annex,
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which comprises a NZF. Obviously, you know, the nomenclature and the process and the procedure,
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they always make it extremely complicated. But an NZF essentially is a net zero framework.
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And under this framework, they essentially want to tax all ships for their emissions,
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their carbon emissions, their greenhouse gas emissions per tonnage. So we're looking at
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essentially 176 member states that are signatory to MARPL. And all of the ships that fall within
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these 176 jurisdictions would essentially have to pay this tax. And it's the first time in UN history
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where it would go directly into a fund, which would be controlled by the UN. It's the International
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Maritime Organization net zero fund, and they would control that. And obviously, who at the end of the
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day will be incurring this increase and this hidden tax, it is us, the consumers. And President Trump
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came really hard against this. It's been going on for months. This war has been going on since
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April, when the IMO convened and essentially adopted the draft for this amendment to the law.
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And they're supposed to vote tomorrow on the formal adoption. All member states are gathering in
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London right now this week, where the IMO is headquartered. And the United States essentially
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has been very vocal issuing a statement. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Energy Chris
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Wright and Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy issued a statement last week, a very strongly worded
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statement against this NZF, this net zero framework, and also threatened member states not to adopt this
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new law essentially, or this new provision into the law, threatening also with tariffs.
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So this is really an integral part in terms of global economic warfare. And every single citizen
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across the world, across, you know, these 176 member states stand to lose should this go forward.
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And Noor, I think you really hit the nail on the head. It's also like, what are these funds really
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going to be going to be used for their sort of, you know, their typical HR globalist speak, very
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euphemistic about it. I want to read some of the quotes when they do provide insight to create this
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net zero fund that would quote, reward low emission ships and create quote, just transition initiatives in
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developing countries and quote, mitigate negative impacts of climate change on vulnerable states. I think
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I just turned into like a liberal by reading that. But what does that? What does that even mean? What does that mean?
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Well, you know, the UN is pushing agenda 2030 and agenda 2050, agenda 2050 being net zero, complete phasing out of
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fossil fuels, fossil fuels or carbon fuels. And it's the it's, it's, it's been going on for decades,
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right, this transition by the United Nations, all of the globalist institutions, the different
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players such as BlackRock, our central banks, our own governments, obviously, against the interest
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of their own citizens and constituents. And they have these different vehicles right now, as I mentioned,
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we're discussing the IMO. But this is, this is very important, because that would, that would be a
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clear acceleration of that agenda, in terms of the economics of it. And we also have this very peculiar
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development, which is quite, you know, representative of the public private partnership.
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how would you say, ethos, but you have the shipping industry that is actually behind this. And on October
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9, you had a statement from different, how would you say, associations of shipping companies coming out
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in favor of this transition, which is really odd, because obviously, they they would be taxed, but they know
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that the customer, at the end of the day, us citizens will be the people that will be incurring
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the costs. And another important point, which I think is really important, is that China stands to gain
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from, from this, because the idea is that they would be phasing out all of these ships that run
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on carbon fuels, for ships that are built, you know, on alternative fuels, and China, obviously,
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is the main player when it comes comes to ship building, I think China accounts for over 60% of
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the the new builds. And obviously, you have Japan and also South Korea, there are main players, but
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this would clearly lead to a increase of maritime influence by China should this move forward.
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And Noor, just give us a minute or two on any other initiatives or rollouts like these that you
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think our audience needs to stay ahead of the curve on when it comes to what the UN or their
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evil subsidiaries or little spinoffs like the WHO are doing.
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You know, the WHO is one of the main other key vehicles, we've discussed it many times on the
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on the show, and I'm still monitoring what's going on there, they are still having the negotiations
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on their pandemic treaty, they pretended that everything had been solidified and ratified back
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in May, but they left out the meat of the agreement in this annex, the PABS annex, and this is still
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currently being negotiating, negotiated. So we will have to look to the annual assembly, the World Health
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Assembly next May coming up in a few months from now, you obviously have the World Economic Forum, that is
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organizing regular meetups throughout the year. Currently, also this week, they were in Dubai, discussing all
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these developments in terms of technology and cyber security and AI, and pushing that agenda,
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in terms of making sure that they can control all of all of our platforms and future technologies. And
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this, this is, you know, going to the lead up of Davos, obviously, in January, that's coming up,
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that's coming up, the dates have already been set for the Davos annual meeting of the WEF
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in Switzerland coming up in Jan, as I mentioned, every year. So we see clear pushbacks from the Trump
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administration when it comes to key advancements of the globalist agenda. And at the same time,
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you see them still maneuvering, still working behind the scenes to advance their own agenda.
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And it is absolutely crucial that we remain informed, especially when they try to obfuscate
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and to confuse the population. You know, I spend a lot of time to look at all of these documents,
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and try to break them down. But there is actually so much information. And it's obviously done on purpose
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to, to keep us uninformed as much as possible while their agenda moves along.
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But this is quite verbose to hide a quite evil agenda. Nor we've got we've got it, we've got to
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hit a break. But if people want, I know they love reading all your stuff. And you're always working
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on exciting projects. If people want to follow you, stay up to date on all of that, where can they go?
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Best place is norbinladen.substack.com. And I really encourage people to look at the statement
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and read the statement from the State Department that came out last week ahead of this week's
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meeting in London of the International Maritime Organization. You can find that on the State
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Department's website. And there's also a really good article by Joshua Arnold published on the
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You're back in the War Room where we obviously stand very strong against global government because
00:29:27.060
I don't know who exactly that global sovereign is going to be. I guess maybe we can answer the
00:29:31.560
question of who's going to benefit from the global carbon tax. I don't, I don't think they took a no
00:29:37.160
taxation without representation the right way when President Trump pulled out of the WHO or frankly
00:29:44.380
all things UN. That would be my suggestion. But in some capacity, global government is already here.
00:29:51.620
I saw yet another illegal alien police officer, try to make that make sense. That's an oxymoron if I've
00:29:58.440
ever seen it, was arrested by ICE today. That's an interesting turn of events. Obviously, Jack Smith
00:30:06.460
from The Hague over there with his UN pals, no conspiracies, no coincidences, refusing to cooperate
00:30:12.600
and testify or at least hand over documents to Jim Jordan. And of course, everything we've been seeing,
00:30:19.480
which is a result of these globalized supply chains when it comes to China pulling the nuclear option
00:30:24.060
on all things rare earths, not just the actual procurement of these various metals, take your
00:30:30.760
pick which one, but also the actual exporting of the tools used to refine them of which China retains
00:30:37.080
upwards, I believe, of 90% of basically all refining capabilities. If you want to talk about
00:30:43.260
unrestricted warfare, I think that's probably a prime example. But also, you know, we've talked about
00:30:49.920
the EMP attacks here, the sort of off switch for America, but it's also wild. And I think it gets
00:30:55.300
back to what Noor was talking about, how in some cases, it's these UN entities that are being subverted
00:31:01.080
by the Chinese Communist Party. But the FTC, the Trump administration, as we've seen, you can put that
00:31:07.320
national interest piece up, is really working hard to sort of create a new GPS backup system.
00:31:13.920
They're like I said, same with the EMP stuff, there's sort of an off switch on all these things. And a lot
00:31:20.460
of the lobbying groups who are trying to counter these efforts, all have ties to the Chinese Communist
00:31:26.680
Party, there's a Breitbart article highlighting that. And in some cases, obviously, all Chinese
00:31:31.680
companies per Article seven of China's national intelligence law can be essentially taken over
00:31:37.200
by the PRC turned into state owned enterprises to achieve any end, any means of the state, anything
00:31:43.640
that they deem relevant to national security. But even companies like ZTE, which have actually been
00:31:49.120
sanctioned by the first Trump administration, and of course, retain robust ties to China's military,
00:31:56.840
to basically all the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party are busy lobbying certain companies,
00:32:02.920
telecom providers, etc, to make sure that this does not happen. This is unrestricted warfare. This is the
00:32:10.000
enemy within. This is what we talk about people who, I don't know, maybe John Bolton, maybe that's a good
00:32:15.140
example for today. When people like that are mishandling classified documents while actively
00:32:20.120
working with and conspiring foreign countries, you certainly get an interesting, interesting mix.
00:32:27.400
I also just want to give some other updates on what the WHO is doing before we go to our next guest.
00:32:35.020
I've been writing some stuff up on Substack, which you can read. I think it's, I don't even know,
00:32:40.660
it's Natalie G. Winters or Natalie Grace Winters dot Substack dot com. But I'm just going to give you
00:32:45.600
a punch list of some of the clandestine things the WHO has been doing behind closed doors on the
00:32:52.380
pandemic treaty front, but on the sort of global convergence of, you know, emergency crisis response.
00:32:58.660
But what they don't tell you is that emergency means climate change or racial inequity.
00:33:03.540
Take your pick of woke buzzword. But they created the public health and social measures decision
00:33:10.540
navigator, the 2.0 platform, which will quote, identify relevant content from websites, social
00:33:17.000
media, and other public sources to identify important health events. It's called the epidemic
00:33:21.440
intelligence from open sources. And essentially they launched a new AI pandemic tracker that's going
00:33:27.440
to be monitoring and essentially patrolling social media to see what kind of misinformation they
00:33:33.100
need to crack down on. They're fusing essentially new AI tools to be able to do this so they can
00:33:39.480
process more sources, get probably more of your social media posts, more of the war room clips that you
00:33:46.560
share. They've also announced progress. This is another story of mine on what they call the pathogen
00:33:53.100
access and benefit sharing system. They have a nice little acronym for it, the PABS system, where
00:33:59.100
they, this one's actually quite wild. They're working on a pandemic causing pathogen database
00:34:05.900
global sharing initiative. Yes, you heard that right. They didn't learn anything from COVID or I guess
00:34:11.680
maybe they learned everything if what they cared to learn was how to cause a global pandemic. They're
00:34:15.960
pretty good at that. But they are providing quotes, catch this, safe, transparent, and accountable
00:34:22.300
access to pathogens with pandemic potential to all WHO member states, not just China, but every
00:34:30.020
country. They also want to guarantee, quote, equitable, rapid, and timely sharing of countermeasures
00:34:35.860
buriedly there. What they don't tell you, they mean vaccines. And they also want to, quote, strengthen
00:34:40.820
global health preparedness by pooling resources across borders, which as you and I both know, that is just a
00:34:47.220
dog whistle for suppressing not just nationalism, but the idea of hyper-national supply chains and not
00:34:53.580
being reliant on what we saw. It was the completely defunct and completely inadequate globalized supply
00:34:59.220
chains that failed, that are of course reliant on probably the UN-WHO's largest benefactor, China,
00:35:04.940
but totally failed during COVID. That's just some of the latest things that the WHO is working on. It's
00:35:12.860
absolutely wild. And I think it goes back to sort of the key point that Nora was making. And even you
00:35:17.460
see with the Bolton stuff, right? Even when we come after these people, and rightfully so,
00:35:23.160
they are not just sitting and cowering. They are rebranding. They are like a hydra. They are coming
00:35:28.680
back with even greater force because they know they are lashing out in their last few breaths,
00:35:34.660
again, metaphorically, but seeking because they understand, right, that this is a serious existential
00:35:41.080
threat. And before we get to our next guest, last thing I wanted to mention, another great hit piece
00:35:45.740
on War Room and yours truly from Media Matters, just because we're talking about spiritual warfare
00:35:51.000
will give Media Matters what they want. Apparently, they really don't like it when we call our enemies
00:35:55.580
demonic. How about this Media Matters? People who kill people that they disagree with because they
00:36:02.920
can't beat them in debates, and they don't like the impacts that they have on elections, and they're
00:36:07.420
what, weird, you know, transgender, furry, whatevers. Those people are demonic, very demonic, and it
00:36:15.080
is a spiritual warfare. And I frankly, I would actually fact check your headline and say it's
00:36:19.820
quite true. I don't see the lie. So thank you, Media Matters. As Steve always says, you're doing a
00:36:25.200
great job running our press department. So we'll take it. Nathan Pikarsik joins us now who has an
00:36:32.860
absolutely wonderful piece in real clear defense. Always love when we can get anti-CCP content in
00:36:42.160
mainstream publications talking about hidden Huawei's, which I love that term, not just because
00:36:47.040
of the alliteration, but the ideas that you're going through here and the sort of actionable
00:36:51.500
roadmap of what the Trump administration can do. Can you sort of walk us through your piece,
00:36:57.400
your suggestions, and what exactly a hidden Huawei is? Absolutely, Natalie. And it nests completely in
00:37:03.800
the framing that you just offered, that as we find the problem actors and we try to take our
00:37:09.240
whack-a-mole approach to addressing them, whether they're from the CCP or elsewhere, they find a way
00:37:14.420
to rebrand, to burrow themselves into supply chains deeper. And that's what we're trying to explain with
00:37:19.720
the hidden Huawei concept. So we know that ZTE and Huawei are threats. They're threats that are
00:37:24.820
unacceptable to U.S. national security because they're touching critical infrastructure, data,
00:37:30.540
and telecommunications networks. And we've done work, the first Trump administration and the second
00:37:36.860
administration have done a valiant effort to clear our networks from those actors. They've been able to
00:37:43.880
rebrand themselves and they've been able to bring supply chains that don't carry the same labels into
00:37:49.540
the American marketplace, into products that might otherwise look or be labeled as something that
00:37:55.060
might be friendly or even American. And this all works alongside China's broader economic warfare
00:38:00.700
strategy, which intends to penetrate our networks, intends to penetrate our market, and to get closer
00:38:07.380
and closer with their access and their capacity to disrupt our operations. So hidden Huaweis are touching
00:38:14.140
everything from the telecommunications networks and routers that Huawei and ZTE presented threats in
00:38:19.940
to the Wi-Fi hotspots that you might be using your home and their analogs in industrial and enterprise
00:38:26.760
fixed wireless access equipment. And as you highlighted just in the preamble here, Trump's FCC has been
00:38:33.840
taking new efforts to understand and to address these threats. And we're looking to folks like Chairman
00:38:41.860
Brendan Carr to continue that campaign and to understand the broad swath of the supply chain
00:38:48.000
that these hidden Huaweis are attacking and to make sure that Americans are protected in their homes
00:38:52.480
with their Wi-Fi hotspots and to make sure that the wireless networks that you might join when you're at
00:38:57.840
the airport or in a shopping mall aren't going to expose your personal data and the operations that
00:39:04.840
depend on those networks functioning to the threat that the Chinese Communist Party presents.
00:39:09.420
Well, and especially we're at economic warfare with everything they're doing on the rare earths
00:39:14.600
front. I think there's probably no better time being a prime example of when we shouldn't have
00:39:18.680
these companies embedded certainly in our, you know, technical infrastructure grid. But I'm sure
00:39:23.220
the audience's heads are blowing up. They want to make sure that their homes, their devices are not
00:39:29.100
reliant on any of these companies, these services. Can you maybe give us an example of either what the
00:39:34.580
Trump administration has done to combat this, specifically what they need to do, or what exactly
00:39:42.920
Yeah, absolutely. So I think part of the problem here is that some of these companies are creating the
00:39:48.320
modules and chipsets that go inside of devices. So they might not be obvious from the brand label or
00:39:55.360
from the telecommunications carrier that you're working with that you have a piece of equipment that might be
00:40:00.240
compromised. So the first challenge is that the Trump administration, I think the FCC has already
00:40:05.060
taken steps to be able to do this, to expand their reach to make sure that they can account for
00:40:10.000
component supply chains. So not just finished equipment, but also the insides of this equipment
00:40:14.960
that really are where the threats may emerge and how they'll persist, even if we do a valiant effort
00:40:20.480
of combating the Huawei's and ZTEs and smaller companies that are throughout the smaller component
00:40:27.180
supply chains. But beyond that, I think we need to look to the FCC and to the corresponding national
00:40:33.840
security enterprise to validate that these supply chains are at risk and to take actions to ban their
00:40:40.640
capacity to sell into the U.S. market, either at the component level or at the original equipment
00:40:46.040
manufacturer level. And we just had a case with routers where the Texas Attorney General has brought a
00:40:53.000
case against TP-Link, I think is the company that they singled out. But I think it's a category that
00:41:00.020
is rife with Chinese-backed, Chinese-influenced, Chinese-dependent actors that pose a severe threat
00:41:07.160
to our supply chain and to personal data. Nathan, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to
00:41:13.260
get into another great piece up at Human Events talking about what China's doing in and around Latin
00:41:18.820
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We're going to have Nathan still joining us after the break, but Warren Posse, this China tech
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00:42:33.420
was in the first Trump administration. They added about 20 or so Chinese companies, sanctioned them
00:42:39.440
to the entity list because they were tied in with China's military, the PLA. They are essentially part
00:42:45.380
of that military-civil fusion. And I believe it was over a quarter of them actively had U.S.-based, D.C.,
00:42:52.440
K-Street-based, Washington lobbyists representing them, helping them get not just, you know, meetings
00:42:57.960
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You're back in the War Room where we're obviously at the tip of the spear when it comes to China's
00:44:34.400
economic warfare, information warfare, technological warfare, media warfare. Take your pick. A lot of
00:44:39.340
modifiers you could put on that word warfare. We are, after all, the War Room. But the sort of,
00:44:45.820
I think, in some ways, almost kinetic warfare they got going down in Latin America, at least on the
00:44:50.180
rare earth front, you know, plowing just wild resources, cash, personnel, buying off mayors.
00:44:56.720
It's truly insane. And Nathan, you've also got a great piece up in Human Events Denver. We can
00:45:01.480
flash it on screen. If you want to sort of walk us through, you have some really specific examples
00:45:07.880
of the Chinese capture going on down there, but also what the Pentagon can do about it.
00:45:12.780
Absolutely. So in Peru, we have a massive Chinese megaport. And that port's set to supplant the
00:45:22.520
Panama Canal. And the Trump administration has done a great job of recognizing the threat of Chinese
00:45:27.540
influence and control at the Panama Canal. But China's already steps ahead in trying to have a
00:45:34.260
plan to circumvent even if the Trump administration wins out in the Panama Canal. And the port of
00:45:41.300
Chiang Kai in Peru is a big piece of that Chinese plan. And that path is being paved by a mayor in
00:45:49.380
Lima who's set to try to run to be president of Peru, who is in China's pocket. And that type of
00:45:56.060
subnational influence is the exact playbook that we see them trying to cultivate their united front,
00:46:02.420
trying to get foreigners to carry their water and do their bidding, whether that's in the United
00:46:07.200
States and the K Street lobbyists or whether that's in places like Lima, Peru. But the plan doesn't
00:46:13.120
just stop there. The progress that they've made has also been expanded into Brazil. And they have a
00:46:19.180
bioceanic railway that's intended to connect to that port in north of Lima and connect it to all the
00:46:27.640
productive economic resources in Peru, in Brazil to allow China Brazilian trade to flourish and to
00:46:36.880
supplant not only the trade that's moving through the Panama Canal, but also to allow Brazilian exports
00:46:42.940
to China to supplant American exports and to take market share from American farmers. So when we look
00:46:49.440
at the dent in soybean exports and the dent in sorghum exports, it's directly tied to these actions that
00:46:56.000
China's taking in Latin America. They're also getting positioned with control over these key
00:47:00.460
infrastructures to be better able to listen and disrupt through operations in our hemisphere and
00:47:06.320
projecting power into the United States. So it's hard to overstate the nature of this threat. It's
00:47:12.520
economic. It is hard security. And that's why it's encouraging that we hear and we sense that
00:47:18.900
there's going to be a new national defense strategy that places some emphasis on hemispheric security and
00:47:24.460
getting right our relations in Latin America and coming to battle with China in their increasing
00:47:30.740
presence. It's not just about the Panama Canal. And it's even not just about winning over subnational
00:47:36.160
influence in Lima. It's the entire hemisphere. And it's directly tied to the way that the Chinese
00:47:41.320
Communist Party is able to have unfettered access into the United States, able to send in fentanyl
00:47:47.400
imports into the United States and able to subvert our social and economic order.
00:47:51.820
Now, I was told for what, you know, how many months by the media that by shutting down USAID,
00:47:59.240
we're destroying America's soft power. Meanwhile, China's been running roughshod over virtually every
00:48:04.860
country, supplying them with meaningful infrastructure, meaningful ports, meaningful
00:48:09.140
things that they, of course, then then sees as you sort of outlined. Is this a chance for the Trump
00:48:14.200
administration to sort of redefine what American soft power actually looks like in the context of
00:48:20.320
combating malign PRC influence? Absolutely. And there's this clear defensive measures that we
00:48:26.720
need to be taking. We should be neutering and neutralizing actors who are acting on behalf of
00:48:32.420
China's interests. At the same time, we should be taking an offensive approach to our allies and
00:48:37.280
partners in the region and the folks who want to work with us, who want to expand their market share in
00:48:41.700
the United States, who want to collaborate with economic security actors. And I think we have plenty of
00:48:47.620
options in Latin America, but we have to be serious about it and we have to prioritize it the right
00:48:51.900
way. It can't just be an afterthought. And, you know, we wake up one day and we have this massive
00:48:58.200
threat that's building out in places like this port in Peru. We need to be actively working and we need
00:49:04.600
to bring our private sector as well. So China comes in and has a bundled set of offerings that they're
00:49:10.000
very happy to lose money on to gain long term strategic positioning. We may not be able to compete with
00:49:15.800
the same dollar and cents of that package, but the American brand, American security and access to
00:49:21.240
the American market is a very compelling offer and one that I think if prioritized the right way wins
00:49:26.840
out against China. And Nathan, just give us one more minute to sort of summarize everything you were
00:49:33.860
talking about in the last block. Is there anything that people can do right now to make sure that the
00:49:38.980
companies that they have in their homes that they're using that are they're not being back channeled
00:49:44.220
are routed back to China? Yeah, absolutely. I think you want to look to make sure that your devices are
00:49:51.120
from Western produced carriers, that your telecommunications providers are complying with
00:49:58.220
FCC certification requirements. And you want to track closely where the FCC makes updates to their
00:50:04.840
covered list. So their national security authorities are able to identify and protect American consumers
00:50:11.880
and businesses from clear and obvious threats from the likes of Chinese router and fixed wireless access
00:50:18.780
companies, those that supply Huawei ZTE, and then also that enter the US market at the component level.
00:50:25.280
So looking for companies like Quectel and Fibocom, which have been highlighted by the China House Select
00:50:33.400
Committee as potential threats would be a good starting place. So those types of module and component
00:50:38.580
providers, and then obviously the Huawei ZTEs and others who may be attacked or attended to the FCC
00:50:46.320
cover list. Nathan, if people want to follow you and keep up to date with what you've got going on,
00:50:51.880
where can they go to do that? FDD.org, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.
00:50:57.800
Thank you, sir, for joining us. Thank you, Natalie.
00:51:00.480
You mentioned the Congressional Committee on, what is it, the subcommittee on the Chinese Communist
00:51:07.840
Party? I don't even care to really remember their name because I have a major bone to pick with
00:51:12.260
them, not just because one of the main Republicans on there, he himself, is caught up in a bunch of
00:51:16.740
Chinese influence ops. He participated in an event with the U.S. Heartland China Association,
00:51:21.720
the foremost organization responsible for trying to get American lawmakers to allow China to buy farmland
00:51:27.760
here in the United States. So that's a non-starter for me personally. But they're just weak.
00:51:33.260
Instead of investigating and putting out reports about these companies, freaking sanction them.
00:51:39.860
Pull them off the stock exchange. Do something. I'm so tired of this passive voice. You know,
00:51:46.280
the tweets that we saw, oh, we wouldn't have known that the FBI was spying on us if it weren't for
00:51:50.540
these brave whistleblowers. What do you mean? Do you live under a rock? It's absolutely wild.
00:51:56.340
This China committee is a complete joke. Just do something about it for once instead of tweeting
00:52:01.040
about it. We already know. We're the war room posse. We're not like, you know, the MSNBC crowd,
00:52:07.360
which is a little slow. They operate on maybe halftime speed. We're on two times speed,
00:52:13.240
at least here in the war room. Until next time. Thank you guys for joining me.
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