Bannon's War Room - Episode 4857： The Indictment Of John Bolton

00:00:00.000 Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice Department will ask a federal grand jury today

00:00:05.560 to indict President Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton.

00:00:10.580 This would be the third indictment of the president's self-described political enemies

00:00:15.760 in just three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a terrific group of reporters,

00:00:21.360 including Caitlin Polance, who is bringing us this reporting. Caitlin, what do we know?

00:00:26.020 Well, Dana, we know now from various sources that the grand jury in Maryland in federal court

00:00:32.140 is expected to be hearing evidence about John Bolton. This afternoon, the Justice Department is

00:00:36.540 expected to go in there and ask for an indictment of the former national security advisor to Donald

00:00:42.500 Trump and somebody who is not just well known from the Trump era, but a longtime government official.

00:00:49.180 This is a case where it's been in the works for years. It's been worked on because

00:00:55.460 Bolton at one point was discovered having an AOL email account, according to the sources I've

00:01:00.280 talked to, where he was writing notes to himself about his time in the Trump White House, and that

00:01:05.140 could include classified documents. We also know from a recent search just two months ago that there

00:01:11.320 were many documents, including ones labeled as about weapons of mass destruction, about allied

00:01:16.320 strikes, things that had markings on them that said classified secret. There were phones, computers,

00:01:21.200 drives, all of that seized from his house. His lawyer has said this could all be very old material from

00:01:27.860 the George W. Bush administration and nothing inappropriate was being kept by Bolton. But there

00:01:34.780 is still a important possibility here that this is a very serious national security case and that the

00:01:43.140 Justice Department does continue wanting to enforce cases like these. It might not be all of a political

00:01:48.840 decision. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going

00:01:59.240 medieval on these people. You're just not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people.

00:02:06.000 The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do

00:02:10.080 everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do

00:02:13.700 people like that go to share the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these

00:02:21.400 people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to

00:02:28.960 save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:02:36.860 Here in the room, it's Thursday, October 16th in the year of our lawyer 2025. And I'm extremely

00:02:49.900 pleased to be able to sit here and tell you specifically the wonderful CNN commentators

00:02:55.440 that their projections have actually materialized and that John Bolton just a few minutes before

00:03:01.120 coming to air has indeed been indicted by a federal grand jury in Maryland. We're going to have Mike

00:03:06.820 Davis on shortly to walk us through the intricacies of this case, certainly the opening salvo. And it's

00:03:13.240 going to be a long fight, dare I say, feeling a little retribution at the moment. Although, as we've

00:03:19.500 always said, it's not retribution, it's accountability and it's this. But I was reading the CNN textual

00:03:26.940 article synopsis of the indictments against John Bolton and described him, you know, woe is me,

00:03:32.840 poor John Bolton. Apparently now they don't seem to care about people who allegedly maintain

00:03:38.280 classified documents. I think their coverage of the Mar-a-Lago raid was a little bit different,

00:03:42.420 but they described him as, quote, the third high profile Trump political enemy to face an indictment.

00:03:49.100 And what I would humbly posit as a correction to the editorial stance of CNN is that John Bolton isn't

00:03:55.000 just an enemy to Trump, that's secondary tertiary to all this, but he's an enemy to the United States

00:04:00.740 of America. Maybe that's a harsh charge, although I point in which you're getting indicted for

00:04:07.020 mishandling classified documents. I think that's probably a fair accusation. But why do I say that?

00:04:13.280 I think John Bolton has always been that creepy mustache wearing token Republican that has sort of

00:04:19.020 floated around the mainstream media commentariat that is too busy lecturing this audience applauding

00:04:25.960 Steve Bannon going to prison and saying we're the ones who are destroying the sea, that we're the

00:04:32.980 people who don't respect the norms of democratic transition. Well, last time I checked, mishandling

00:04:40.780 classified documents is probably not respecting the transition of power, John Bolton. But please keep

00:04:46.280 lecturing us on how important the rule of law is and how terrible January 6th was, right? It's Donald

00:04:52.460 Trump who's not a crap because he doesn't understand the value of democracy when you're busy. Who knows

00:04:58.040 where you're passing off these documents to? I mean, obviously, you've engaged in information

00:05:02.340 warfare against the American people. I just have to turn on CNN for a second to see that. But you've

00:05:07.160 also probably engaged, honestly, I'd say sort of second, third level removed kinetic warfare with all the

00:05:12.980 Iran warmongering that you've been responsible. Multiple sources are telling CNN the Justice

00:05:24.100 Department will ask a federal grand jury today to indict President Trump's former national security

00:05:30.660 advisor, John Bolton. This would be the third indictment of the president's self-described political

00:05:36.840 enemies in just three weeks. I'm joined here at the table with a terrific group of reporters,

00:05:43.020 including Caitlin Polance, who is bringing us this reporting. Caitlin, what do we know?

00:05:48.120 Well, Dana, we know now from various sources that the grand jury in Maryland in federal court is

00:05:54.060 expected to be hearing evidence about John Bolton. This afternoon, the Justice Department is expected to

00:05:59.080 go in there and ask for an indictment of the former national security advisor to Donald Trump and somebody

00:06:04.840 who is not just well known from the Trump era, but a longtime government official. This is a case

00:06:12.020 where it's been in the works for years. It's been worked on because Bolton at one point was discovered

00:06:18.900 having an AOL email account, according to the sources I've talked to, where he was writing notes to

00:06:23.920 himself about his time in the Trump White House, and that could include classified documents. We also know

00:06:30.040 from a recent search just two months ago that there were many documents, including ones labeled as

00:06:35.720 about weapons of mass destruction, about allied strikes, things that had markings on them that said

00:06:40.340 classified, secret. There were phones, computers, drives, all of that ceased from his house.

00:06:45.100 His lawyer has said this could all be very old.

00:06:48.680 Having some technical difficulties, maybe we can blame it on John Bolton, but I am back. I don't know what

00:06:55.560 I was talking about. Maybe the third kinetic world war is too hot to touch for the global internet

00:07:00.740 sensors. Not here on RAV. We love RAV, always an honor to host. But this is why I hate Bolton,

00:07:06.780 because people like him, he represents, he is the tip of the information warfare sphere of people

00:07:11.660 who think that they are better than you because they have access to classified information.

00:07:16.480 They think that they're better than you because they have stupid appointed fellowships and think

00:07:21.080 tank positions at Brookings and the Atlantic Council and all of these fake organizations

00:07:25.660 that don't exist because of anything rooted in American identity or putting America first,

00:07:30.580 but exist solely because they take force and they have absolutely no respect for the rule of law.

00:07:37.400 All they care about is getting rich, selling this country down the river. John Bolton is the epitome

00:07:42.440 of managed decline. And it is quite not just symbolic, but important that people like him

00:07:48.260 are held to account and not made an example of political or politicized or legal lawfare reasons,

00:07:54.960 but for the sake of this country. Because if people like him are allowed to continue to sell this

00:08:00.160 country and our secrets down the river while actively engaging and conspiring with foreign countries

00:08:05.820 to drag us into more foreign entanglements, if not outright wars, nothing is going to happen.

00:08:11.140 I don't care how many people you deport. It's people like John Bolton who are the enemy within.

00:08:16.580 And I'm glad you're getting a little taste of your own medicine. And I really look forward to

00:08:20.780 watching MSNBC, CNN, TatePic, all of those shows tonight, which had a very different tune when it

00:08:26.940 came to President Trump's Mar-a-Lago raid and the classified documents. I'm going to be watching

00:08:31.600 with a very close eye to see if there's any nice double standards. I'd argue probably triple

00:08:36.780 standards. There, Mike Davis. You've got a high bar to come in hotter than that. But I know you

00:08:43.680 probably dislike John Bolton more than I do, not for personal reasons, but for the fact that he

00:08:48.260 mishandled classified documents, which last time I checked, the left really hates. They raided a

00:08:52.300 fucking former president's home. Yeah, so I'm reading through this. I'm reading through this

00:08:58.140 26-page indictment, Natalie. It's out of the District of Maryland. The U.S. attorney in the

00:09:05.820 District of Maryland is a career federal prosecutor. They worked with the National Security Division

00:09:12.640 and Maine Justice. There are several career attorneys' names on this indictment. So this is

00:09:18.960 not a political indictment. It's a very serious indictment. You're looking at 18 different counts

00:09:25.880 against John Bolton. I think eight of them were for transmitting national defense information. That

00:09:33.060 means he was sending national defense information apparently through his AOL accounts or his personal

00:09:39.000 email accounts. And then they got him for 10 counts of retaining national defense information. These are

00:09:46.660 very serious espionage charges. And what's so damning for John Bolton in this indictment is they go

00:09:53.360 through in this indictment to show his knowledge and intent. They go through and quote John Bolton in the

00:10:01.060 past for when he's talked about how doing the very things he allegedly did here is a very serious

00:10:08.800 national security crime espionage. And they go through these documents. And some of these documents

00:10:15.400 are top secret with codenames. So these are beyond top secret documents for as far as I can tell

00:10:21.660 from his time as the president's national security advisor. So he had access to some of the most

00:10:29.280 he had access to the most classified information in all of our governments. And he's sending it

00:10:36.460 via personal email and he's retaining it. So you're not going to be able to say this is a political

00:10:43.700 case here with the career prosecutors in the District of Maryland, the career prosecutors

00:10:48.880 at Maine Justice and the National Security Division and just the magnitude of the number of

00:10:56.240 classified documents, highly classified documents that he sent and that he retained. He's in a very

00:11:03.820 deep hole. And it looks like John Bolton, if these allegations are true, he's going to go to prison for a very

00:11:09.580 long time. Walk us through the timeline on this. Is there going to be a perp walk? What does that look

00:11:17.420 like? That's a very good question. That's going to be up to the prosecutors in the District of

00:11:25.000 Maryland. I know Lindsay Halligan made the decision and I think the correct decision. I didn't think it

00:11:32.300 was correct at the time, but I understood her rationale. She made the correct decision not to perp walk

00:11:37.260 James Comey and Tish James, Big Tish, for their charges in the Eastern District of Virginia

00:11:44.100 for lying to Congress, false statements to Congress and obstruction of a congressional

00:11:50.620 investigation for Comey, for mortgage fraud, bank fraud, and false statements to a financial

00:11:56.580 institution for Big Tish James, the New York Attorney General, because she didn't want to create 1.00

00:12:01.120 sympathy for those defendants in the Eastern District of Virginia, which is loaded up

00:12:06.180 with government workers and other Democrats. You're going to have the same issue in Maryland.

00:12:12.380 And so we may not see perp walks here because they may want to keep this low key. On the other

00:12:19.680 hands, espionage is a very serious charge, as John Bolton has said repeatedly and as the prosecutors

00:12:28.200 outlined in this indictment. This was an indictment by Democrats, largely Democrats in the suburbs of

00:12:37.660 Washington, D.C. and Maryland, just like Lindsay got with the suburbs of D.C. and Alexandria in the

00:12:44.720 Eastern District of Virginia. It's this is I'm reading through again. I'm just reading through this now.

00:12:50.740 It's 26 pages, but these are very serious charges.

00:12:57.300 Mike, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on, where can

00:13:01.200 they go to do that? Yeah, it's article three project dot org, article number three project dot

00:13:08.760 org. You can follow us on social media, donate, but only what you can afford and take action. The

00:13:15.000 war room posse's superpower. But I would encourage the war room posse to go read this 26 page indictment

00:13:21.780 of John Bolton. It's it's damning.

00:13:25.760 Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. And we're impossible. You should go

00:13:30.460 and read the indictment of a former State Department official who I think just got indicted for selling

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00:16:44.940 You're back in the war room where we got the one and only Norbin Laden, who I always love having on 1.00

00:16:58.760 the show, but it's sort of a Pavlovian response where anytime we have you on, it means the United

00:17:03.060 Nations is doing something bad. Although at least this time, the Trump administration is fighting

00:17:09.220 back. Washington, a lot of people, even in Trump's cabinet, are talking about this new global carbon

00:17:15.860 tax. I know that's thrown around a lot and sort of maybe hyperbolic sometimes, but this time, from

00:17:21.220 what I gather, the UN is being pretty straight up about what their ambitions are, wanting to tax carbon

00:17:26.040 emissions, shipping, all that kind of stuff. Can you walk us through who the players are in this,

00:17:32.900 what exactly this looks like, and just help us understand what's actually going on here?

00:17:36.560 Yes, of course, Natalie. Great to be on with you and to discuss this topic, because there's so much

00:17:42.820 going on. The news cycle is really crazy, but this is actually very, very important.

00:17:48.500 And I'll just set up a little bit of the context, but basically, obviously, you have the UN, all of

00:17:53.820 its daughter organizations, this entire globalist superstructure, and the agency, the specialized UN

00:18:01.080 agency that we're going to talk about today is the International Maritime Organization,

00:18:06.240 IMO. And they are at the center of this war that is being waged right now between the Trump

00:18:14.140 administration fighting hard, pushing back against this new global tax that they are pushing

00:18:20.980 onto the world via its member states. And so what essentially is happening is that you have this

00:18:28.700 law. So the IMO is tasked basically with overseeing and regulating the seas, the entire shipping

00:18:34.860 industry. And they've been, you know, added since 1948, since their inception, there's one key

00:18:40.760 instrument that they've set up, which is the MARPL, the Convention for the Prevention of Pollution

00:18:50.040 from Ships. This dates back to the 70s. And they are currently amending it to add in this annex,

00:18:59.200 which comprises a NZF. Obviously, you know, the nomenclature and the process and the procedure,

00:19:07.100 they always make it extremely complicated. But an NZF essentially is a net zero framework.

00:19:15.880 And under this framework, they essentially want to tax all ships for their emissions,

00:19:23.920 their carbon emissions, their greenhouse gas emissions per tonnage. So we're looking at

00:19:30.900 essentially 176 member states that are signatory to MARPL. And all of the ships that fall within

00:19:39.520 these 176 jurisdictions would essentially have to pay this tax. And it's the first time in UN history

00:19:48.380 where it would go directly into a fund, which would be controlled by the UN. It's the International

00:19:56.260 Maritime Organization net zero fund, and they would control that. And obviously, who at the end of the

00:20:03.120 day will be incurring this increase and this hidden tax, it is us, the consumers. And President Trump

00:20:10.280 came really hard against this. It's been going on for months. This war has been going on since

00:20:16.500 April, when the IMO convened and essentially adopted the draft for this amendment to the law.

00:20:27.900 And they're supposed to vote tomorrow on the formal adoption. All member states are gathering in

00:20:36.260 London right now this week, where the IMO is headquartered. And the United States essentially

00:20:42.460 has been very vocal issuing a statement. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Energy Chris

00:20:52.000 Wright and Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy issued a statement last week, a very strongly worded

00:20:59.440 statement against this NZF, this net zero framework, and also threatened member states not to adopt this

00:21:13.240 new law essentially, or this new provision into the law, threatening also with tariffs.

00:21:19.480 So this is really an integral part in terms of global economic warfare. And every single citizen

00:21:29.740 across the world, across, you know, these 176 member states stand to lose should this go forward.

00:21:38.620 And Noor, I think you really hit the nail on the head. It's also like, what are these funds really

00:21:43.700 going to be going to be used for their sort of, you know, their typical HR globalist speak, very

00:21:49.440 euphemistic about it. I want to read some of the quotes when they do provide insight to create this

00:21:54.840 net zero fund that would quote, reward low emission ships and create quote, just transition initiatives in

00:22:02.060 developing countries and quote, mitigate negative impacts of climate change on vulnerable states. I think

00:22:07.560 I just turned into like a liberal by reading that. But what does that? What does that even mean? What does that mean?

00:22:16.860 Well, you know, the UN is pushing agenda 2030 and agenda 2050, agenda 2050 being net zero, complete phasing out of

00:22:28.780 fossil fuels, fossil fuels or carbon fuels. And it's the it's, it's, it's been going on for decades,

00:22:35.280 right, this transition by the United Nations, all of the globalist institutions, the different

00:22:41.580 players such as BlackRock, our central banks, our own governments, obviously, against the interest

00:22:47.800 of their own citizens and constituents. And they have these different vehicles right now, as I mentioned,

00:22:54.440 we're discussing the IMO. But this is, this is very important, because that would, that would be a

00:23:00.780 clear acceleration of that agenda, in terms of the economics of it. And we also have this very peculiar

00:23:10.380 development, which is quite, you know, representative of the public private partnership.

00:23:15.700 how would you say, ethos, but you have the shipping industry that is actually behind this. And on October

00:23:24.400 9, you had a statement from different, how would you say, associations of shipping companies coming out

00:23:35.160 in favor of this transition, which is really odd, because obviously, they they would be taxed, but they know

00:23:43.340 that the customer, at the end of the day, us citizens will be the people that will be incurring

00:23:49.000 the costs. And another important point, which I think is really important, is that China stands to gain

00:23:58.440 from, from this, because the idea is that they would be phasing out all of these ships that run

00:24:04.800 on carbon fuels, for ships that are built, you know, on alternative fuels, and China, obviously,

00:24:13.340 is the main player when it comes comes to ship building, I think China accounts for over 60% of

00:24:20.420 the the new builds. And obviously, you have Japan and also South Korea, there are main players, but

00:24:26.640 this would clearly lead to a increase of maritime influence by China should this move forward.

00:24:37.420 And Noor, just give us a minute or two on any other initiatives or rollouts like these that you

00:24:43.120 think our audience needs to stay ahead of the curve on when it comes to what the UN or their

00:24:47.320 evil subsidiaries or little spinoffs like the WHO are doing.

00:24:51.240 You know, the WHO is one of the main other key vehicles, we've discussed it many times on the

00:24:59.020 on the show, and I'm still monitoring what's going on there, they are still having the negotiations

00:25:05.480 on their pandemic treaty, they pretended that everything had been solidified and ratified back

00:25:12.760 in May, but they left out the meat of the agreement in this annex, the PABS annex, and this is still

00:25:19.740 currently being negotiating, negotiated. So we will have to look to the annual assembly, the World Health

00:25:26.840 Assembly next May coming up in a few months from now, you obviously have the World Economic Forum, that is

00:25:34.220 organizing regular meetups throughout the year. Currently, also this week, they were in Dubai, discussing all

00:25:42.140 these developments in terms of technology and cyber security and AI, and pushing that agenda,

00:25:49.240 in terms of making sure that they can control all of all of our platforms and future technologies. And

00:26:00.700 this, this is, you know, going to the lead up of Davos, obviously, in January, that's coming up,

00:26:07.140 that's coming up, the dates have already been set for the Davos annual meeting of the WEF

00:26:13.920 in Switzerland coming up in Jan, as I mentioned, every year. So we see clear pushbacks from the Trump

00:26:23.120 administration when it comes to key advancements of the globalist agenda. And at the same time,

00:26:30.160 you see them still maneuvering, still working behind the scenes to advance their own agenda.

00:26:36.860 And it is absolutely crucial that we remain informed, especially when they try to obfuscate

00:26:43.800 and to confuse the population. You know, I spend a lot of time to look at all of these documents,

00:26:50.080 and try to break them down. But there is actually so much information. And it's obviously done on purpose

00:26:59.320 to, to keep us uninformed as much as possible while their agenda moves along.

00:27:05.800 But this is quite verbose to hide a quite evil agenda. Nor we've got we've got it, we've got to

00:27:12.520 hit a break. But if people want, I know they love reading all your stuff. And you're always working

00:27:16.660 on exciting projects. If people want to follow you, stay up to date on all of that, where can they go?

00:27:22.080 Best place is norbinladen.substack.com. And I really encourage people to look at the statement

00:27:30.020 and read the statement from the State Department that came out last week ahead of this week's

00:27:35.520 meeting in London of the International Maritime Organization. You can find that on the State

00:27:41.280 Department's website. And there's also a really good article by Joshua Arnold published on the

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00:29:20.560 You're back in the War Room where we obviously stand very strong against global government because

00:29:27.060 I don't know who exactly that global sovereign is going to be. I guess maybe we can answer the

00:29:31.560 question of who's going to benefit from the global carbon tax. I don't, I don't think they took a no

00:29:37.160 taxation without representation the right way when President Trump pulled out of the WHO or frankly

00:29:44.380 all things UN. That would be my suggestion. But in some capacity, global government is already here.

00:29:51.620 I saw yet another illegal alien police officer, try to make that make sense. That's an oxymoron if I've 0.98

00:29:58.440 ever seen it, was arrested by ICE today. That's an interesting turn of events. Obviously, Jack Smith

00:30:06.460 from The Hague over there with his UN pals, no conspiracies, no coincidences, refusing to cooperate

00:30:12.600 and testify or at least hand over documents to Jim Jordan. And of course, everything we've been seeing,

00:30:19.480 which is a result of these globalized supply chains when it comes to China pulling the nuclear option

00:30:24.060 on all things rare earths, not just the actual procurement of these various metals, take your

00:30:30.760 pick which one, but also the actual exporting of the tools used to refine them of which China retains

00:30:37.080 upwards, I believe, of 90% of basically all refining capabilities. If you want to talk about

00:30:43.260 unrestricted warfare, I think that's probably a prime example. But also, you know, we've talked about

00:30:49.920 the EMP attacks here, the sort of off switch for America, but it's also wild. And I think it gets

00:30:55.300 back to what Noor was talking about, how in some cases, it's these UN entities that are being subverted

00:31:01.080 by the Chinese Communist Party. But the FTC, the Trump administration, as we've seen, you can put that

00:31:07.320 national interest piece up, is really working hard to sort of create a new GPS backup system.

00:31:13.920 They're like I said, same with the EMP stuff, there's sort of an off switch on all these things. And a lot

00:31:20.460 of the lobbying groups who are trying to counter these efforts, all have ties to the Chinese Communist

00:31:26.680 Party, there's a Breitbart article highlighting that. And in some cases, obviously, all Chinese

00:31:31.680 companies per Article seven of China's national intelligence law can be essentially taken over

00:31:37.200 by the PRC turned into state owned enterprises to achieve any end, any means of the state, anything

00:31:43.640 that they deem relevant to national security. But even companies like ZTE, which have actually been

00:31:49.120 sanctioned by the first Trump administration, and of course, retain robust ties to China's military,

00:31:56.840 to basically all the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party are busy lobbying certain companies,

00:32:02.920 telecom providers, etc, to make sure that this does not happen. This is unrestricted warfare. This is the

00:32:10.000 enemy within. This is what we talk about people who, I don't know, maybe John Bolton, maybe that's a good

00:32:15.140 example for today. When people like that are mishandling classified documents while actively

00:32:20.120 working with and conspiring foreign countries, you certainly get an interesting, interesting mix.

00:32:27.400 I also just want to give some other updates on what the WHO is doing before we go to our next guest.

00:32:35.020 I've been writing some stuff up on Substack, which you can read. I think it's, I don't even know,

00:32:40.660 it's Natalie G. Winters or Natalie Grace Winters dot Substack dot com. But I'm just going to give you

00:32:45.600 a punch list of some of the clandestine things the WHO has been doing behind closed doors on the

00:32:52.380 pandemic treaty front, but on the sort of global convergence of, you know, emergency crisis response.

00:32:58.660 But what they don't tell you is that emergency means climate change or racial inequity.

00:33:03.540 Take your pick of woke buzzword. But they created the public health and social measures decision

00:33:10.540 navigator, the 2.0 platform, which will quote, identify relevant content from websites, social

00:33:17.000 media, and other public sources to identify important health events. It's called the epidemic

00:33:21.440 intelligence from open sources. And essentially they launched a new AI pandemic tracker that's going

00:33:27.440 to be monitoring and essentially patrolling social media to see what kind of misinformation they

00:33:33.100 need to crack down on. They're fusing essentially new AI tools to be able to do this so they can

00:33:39.480 process more sources, get probably more of your social media posts, more of the war room clips that you

00:33:46.560 share. They've also announced progress. This is another story of mine on what they call the pathogen

00:33:53.100 access and benefit sharing system. They have a nice little acronym for it, the PABS system, where

00:33:59.100 they, this one's actually quite wild. They're working on a pandemic causing pathogen database

00:34:05.900 global sharing initiative. Yes, you heard that right. They didn't learn anything from COVID or I guess

00:34:11.680 maybe they learned everything if what they cared to learn was how to cause a global pandemic. They're

00:34:15.960 pretty good at that. But they are providing quotes, catch this, safe, transparent, and accountable

00:34:22.300 access to pathogens with pandemic potential to all WHO member states, not just China, but every

00:34:30.020 country. They also want to guarantee, quote, equitable, rapid, and timely sharing of countermeasures

00:34:35.860 buriedly there. What they don't tell you, they mean vaccines. And they also want to, quote, strengthen

00:34:40.820 global health preparedness by pooling resources across borders, which as you and I both know, that is just a

00:34:47.220 dog whistle for suppressing not just nationalism, but the idea of hyper-national supply chains and not

00:34:53.580 being reliant on what we saw. It was the completely defunct and completely inadequate globalized supply

00:34:59.220 chains that failed, that are of course reliant on probably the UN-WHO's largest benefactor, China,

00:35:04.940 but totally failed during COVID. That's just some of the latest things that the WHO is working on. It's

00:35:12.860 absolutely wild. And I think it goes back to sort of the key point that Nora was making. And even you

00:35:17.460 see with the Bolton stuff, right? Even when we come after these people, and rightfully so,

00:35:23.160 they are not just sitting and cowering. They are rebranding. They are like a hydra. They are coming

00:35:28.680 back with even greater force because they know they are lashing out in their last few breaths,

00:35:34.660 again, metaphorically, but seeking because they understand, right, that this is a serious existential

00:35:41.080 threat. And before we get to our next guest, last thing I wanted to mention, another great hit piece

00:35:45.740 on War Room and yours truly from Media Matters, just because we're talking about spiritual warfare

00:35:51.000 will give Media Matters what they want. Apparently, they really don't like it when we call our enemies

00:35:55.580 demonic. How about this Media Matters? People who kill people that they disagree with because they

00:36:02.920 can't beat them in debates, and they don't like the impacts that they have on elections, and they're

00:36:07.420 what, weird, you know, transgender, furry, whatevers. Those people are demonic, very demonic, and it 1.00

00:36:15.080 is a spiritual warfare. And I frankly, I would actually fact check your headline and say it's

00:36:19.820 quite true. I don't see the lie. So thank you, Media Matters. As Steve always says, you're doing a

00:36:25.200 great job running our press department. So we'll take it. Nathan Pikarsik joins us now who has an

00:36:32.860 absolutely wonderful piece in real clear defense. Always love when we can get anti-CCP content in

00:36:42.160 mainstream publications talking about hidden Huawei's, which I love that term, not just because

00:36:47.040 of the alliteration, but the ideas that you're going through here and the sort of actionable

00:36:51.500 roadmap of what the Trump administration can do. Can you sort of walk us through your piece,

00:36:57.400 your suggestions, and what exactly a hidden Huawei is? Absolutely, Natalie. And it nests completely in

00:37:03.800 the framing that you just offered, that as we find the problem actors and we try to take our

00:37:09.240 whack-a-mole approach to addressing them, whether they're from the CCP or elsewhere, they find a way

00:37:14.420 to rebrand, to burrow themselves into supply chains deeper. And that's what we're trying to explain with

00:37:19.720 the hidden Huawei concept. So we know that ZTE and Huawei are threats. They're threats that are

00:37:24.820 unacceptable to U.S. national security because they're touching critical infrastructure, data,

00:37:30.540 and telecommunications networks. And we've done work, the first Trump administration and the second

00:37:36.860 administration have done a valiant effort to clear our networks from those actors. They've been able to

00:37:43.880 rebrand themselves and they've been able to bring supply chains that don't carry the same labels into

00:37:49.540 the American marketplace, into products that might otherwise look or be labeled as something that

00:37:55.060 might be friendly or even American. And this all works alongside China's broader economic warfare

00:38:00.700 strategy, which intends to penetrate our networks, intends to penetrate our market, and to get closer

00:38:07.380 and closer with their access and their capacity to disrupt our operations. So hidden Huaweis are touching 1.00

00:38:14.140 everything from the telecommunications networks and routers that Huawei and ZTE presented threats in

00:38:19.940 to the Wi-Fi hotspots that you might be using your home and their analogs in industrial and enterprise

00:38:26.760 fixed wireless access equipment. And as you highlighted just in the preamble here, Trump's FCC has been

00:38:33.840 taking new efforts to understand and to address these threats. And we're looking to folks like Chairman

00:38:41.860 Brendan Carr to continue that campaign and to understand the broad swath of the supply chain

00:38:48.000 that these hidden Huaweis are attacking and to make sure that Americans are protected in their homes 1.00

00:38:52.480 with their Wi-Fi hotspots and to make sure that the wireless networks that you might join when you're at

00:38:57.840 the airport or in a shopping mall aren't going to expose your personal data and the operations that

00:39:04.840 depend on those networks functioning to the threat that the Chinese Communist Party presents.

00:39:09.420 Well, and especially we're at economic warfare with everything they're doing on the rare earths

00:39:14.600 front. I think there's probably no better time being a prime example of when we shouldn't have

00:39:18.680 these companies embedded certainly in our, you know, technical infrastructure grid. But I'm sure

00:39:23.220 the audience's heads are blowing up. They want to make sure that their homes, their devices are not

00:39:29.100 reliant on any of these companies, these services. Can you maybe give us an example of either what the

00:39:34.580 Trump administration has done to combat this, specifically what they need to do, or what exactly

00:39:39.600 some of these companies are?

00:39:42.920 Yeah, absolutely. So I think part of the problem here is that some of these companies are creating the

00:39:48.320 modules and chipsets that go inside of devices. So they might not be obvious from the brand label or

00:39:55.360 from the telecommunications carrier that you're working with that you have a piece of equipment that might be

00:40:00.240 compromised. So the first challenge is that the Trump administration, I think the FCC has already

00:40:05.060 taken steps to be able to do this, to expand their reach to make sure that they can account for

00:40:10.000 component supply chains. So not just finished equipment, but also the insides of this equipment

00:40:14.960 that really are where the threats may emerge and how they'll persist, even if we do a valiant effort

00:40:20.480 of combating the Huawei's and ZTEs and smaller companies that are throughout the smaller component

00:40:27.180 supply chains. But beyond that, I think we need to look to the FCC and to the corresponding national

00:40:33.840 security enterprise to validate that these supply chains are at risk and to take actions to ban their

00:40:40.640 capacity to sell into the U.S. market, either at the component level or at the original equipment

00:40:46.040 manufacturer level. And we just had a case with routers where the Texas Attorney General has brought a

00:40:53.000 case against TP-Link, I think is the company that they singled out. But I think it's a category that

00:41:00.020 is rife with Chinese-backed, Chinese-influenced, Chinese-dependent actors that pose a severe threat 1.00

00:41:07.160 to our supply chain and to personal data. Nathan, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to

00:41:13.260 get into another great piece up at Human Events talking about what China's doing in and around Latin

00:41:18.820 America, which goes back, frankly, to the rare earths that are the building block for so much

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00:42:23.380 We're going to have Nathan still joining us after the break, but Warren Posse, this China tech

00:42:29.340 company, this sort of weird sheltering of them pretending to be American entities. I remember it

00:42:33.420 was in the first Trump administration. They added about 20 or so Chinese companies, sanctioned them

00:42:39.440 to the entity list because they were tied in with China's military, the PLA. They are essentially part

00:42:45.380 of that military-civil fusion. And I believe it was over a quarter of them actively had U.S.-based, D.C.,

00:42:52.440 K-Street-based, Washington lobbyists representing them, helping them get not just, you know, meetings

00:42:57.960 with your officials, but get their devices into your houses. So you want to talk about the enemy within?

00:43:03.780 Maybe that's the theme of today's show. I got a list for you. President Trump, Cash Patel over once.

00:43:09.320 We'll be right back.

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00:44:22.160 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:44:25.320 You're back in the War Room where we're obviously at the tip of the spear when it comes to China's 0.97

00:44:34.400 economic warfare, information warfare, technological warfare, media warfare. Take your pick. A lot of

00:44:39.340 modifiers you could put on that word warfare. We are, after all, the War Room. But the sort of,

00:44:45.820 I think, in some ways, almost kinetic warfare they got going down in Latin America, at least on the

00:44:50.180 rare earth front, you know, plowing just wild resources, cash, personnel, buying off mayors.

00:44:56.720 It's truly insane. And Nathan, you've also got a great piece up in Human Events Denver. We can

00:45:01.480 flash it on screen. If you want to sort of walk us through, you have some really specific examples

00:45:07.880 of the Chinese capture going on down there, but also what the Pentagon can do about it.

00:45:12.780 Absolutely. So in Peru, we have a massive Chinese megaport. And that port's set to supplant the

00:45:22.520 Panama Canal. And the Trump administration has done a great job of recognizing the threat of Chinese 1.00

00:45:27.540 influence and control at the Panama Canal. But China's already steps ahead in trying to have a

00:45:34.260 plan to circumvent even if the Trump administration wins out in the Panama Canal. And the port of

00:45:41.300 Chiang Kai in Peru is a big piece of that Chinese plan. And that path is being paved by a mayor in

00:45:49.380 Lima who's set to try to run to be president of Peru, who is in China's pocket. And that type of 0.89

00:45:56.060 subnational influence is the exact playbook that we see them trying to cultivate their united front,

00:46:02.420 trying to get foreigners to carry their water and do their bidding, whether that's in the United 1.00

00:46:07.200 States and the K Street lobbyists or whether that's in places like Lima, Peru. But the plan doesn't

00:46:13.120 just stop there. The progress that they've made has also been expanded into Brazil. And they have a

00:46:19.180 bioceanic railway that's intended to connect to that port in north of Lima and connect it to all the

00:46:27.640 productive economic resources in Peru, in Brazil to allow China Brazilian trade to flourish and to

00:46:36.880 supplant not only the trade that's moving through the Panama Canal, but also to allow Brazilian exports

00:46:42.940 to China to supplant American exports and to take market share from American farmers. So when we look

00:46:49.440 at the dent in soybean exports and the dent in sorghum exports, it's directly tied to these actions that

00:46:56.000 China's taking in Latin America. They're also getting positioned with control over these key 0.63

00:47:00.460 infrastructures to be better able to listen and disrupt through operations in our hemisphere and

00:47:06.320 projecting power into the United States. So it's hard to overstate the nature of this threat. It's

00:47:12.520 economic. It is hard security. And that's why it's encouraging that we hear and we sense that

00:47:18.900 there's going to be a new national defense strategy that places some emphasis on hemispheric security and

00:47:24.460 getting right our relations in Latin America and coming to battle with China in their increasing 0.98

00:47:30.740 presence. It's not just about the Panama Canal. And it's even not just about winning over subnational

00:47:36.160 influence in Lima. It's the entire hemisphere. And it's directly tied to the way that the Chinese 0.91

00:47:41.320 Communist Party is able to have unfettered access into the United States, able to send in fentanyl

00:47:47.400 imports into the United States and able to subvert our social and economic order. 1.00

00:47:51.820 Now, I was told for what, you know, how many months by the media that by shutting down USAID,

00:47:59.240 we're destroying America's soft power. Meanwhile, China's been running roughshod over virtually every 0.92

00:48:04.860 country, supplying them with meaningful infrastructure, meaningful ports, meaningful

00:48:09.140 things that they, of course, then then sees as you sort of outlined. Is this a chance for the Trump

00:48:14.200 administration to sort of redefine what American soft power actually looks like in the context of

00:48:20.320 combating malign PRC influence? Absolutely. And there's this clear defensive measures that we

00:48:26.720 need to be taking. We should be neutering and neutralizing actors who are acting on behalf of

00:48:32.420 China's interests. At the same time, we should be taking an offensive approach to our allies and 1.00

00:48:37.280 partners in the region and the folks who want to work with us, who want to expand their market share in

00:48:41.700 the United States, who want to collaborate with economic security actors. And I think we have plenty of

00:48:47.620 options in Latin America, but we have to be serious about it and we have to prioritize it the right

00:48:51.900 way. It can't just be an afterthought. And, you know, we wake up one day and we have this massive

00:48:58.200 threat that's building out in places like this port in Peru. We need to be actively working and we need

00:49:04.600 to bring our private sector as well. So China comes in and has a bundled set of offerings that they're

00:49:10.000 very happy to lose money on to gain long term strategic positioning. We may not be able to compete with

00:49:15.800 the same dollar and cents of that package, but the American brand, American security and access to

00:49:21.240 the American market is a very compelling offer and one that I think if prioritized the right way wins

00:49:26.840 out against China. And Nathan, just give us one more minute to sort of summarize everything you were

00:49:33.860 talking about in the last block. Is there anything that people can do right now to make sure that the

00:49:38.980 companies that they have in their homes that they're using that are they're not being back channeled

00:49:44.220 are routed back to China? Yeah, absolutely. I think you want to look to make sure that your devices are

00:49:51.120 from Western produced carriers, that your telecommunications providers are complying with

00:49:58.220 FCC certification requirements. And you want to track closely where the FCC makes updates to their

00:50:04.840 covered list. So their national security authorities are able to identify and protect American consumers

00:50:11.880 and businesses from clear and obvious threats from the likes of Chinese router and fixed wireless access

00:50:18.780 companies, those that supply Huawei ZTE, and then also that enter the US market at the component level.

00:50:25.280 So looking for companies like Quectel and Fibocom, which have been highlighted by the China House Select

00:50:33.400 Committee as potential threats would be a good starting place. So those types of module and component

00:50:38.580 providers, and then obviously the Huawei ZTEs and others who may be attacked or attended to the FCC

00:50:46.320 cover list. Nathan, if people want to follow you and keep up to date with what you've got going on,

00:50:51.880 where can they go to do that? FDD.org, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

00:50:57.800 Thank you, sir, for joining us. Thank you, Natalie.

00:51:00.480 You mentioned the Congressional Committee on, what is it, the subcommittee on the Chinese Communist

00:51:07.840 Party? I don't even care to really remember their name because I have a major bone to pick with

00:51:12.260 them, not just because one of the main Republicans on there, he himself, is caught up in a bunch of

00:51:16.740 Chinese influence ops. He participated in an event with the U.S. Heartland China Association,

00:51:21.720 the foremost organization responsible for trying to get American lawmakers to allow China to buy farmland

00:51:27.760 here in the United States. So that's a non-starter for me personally. But they're just weak.

00:51:33.260 Instead of investigating and putting out reports about these companies, freaking sanction them.

00:51:39.860 Pull them off the stock exchange. Do something. I'm so tired of this passive voice. You know,

00:51:46.280 the tweets that we saw, oh, we wouldn't have known that the FBI was spying on us if it weren't for

00:51:50.540 these brave whistleblowers. What do you mean? Do you live under a rock? It's absolutely wild.

00:51:56.340 This China committee is a complete joke. Just do something about it for once instead of tweeting 1.00

00:52:01.040 about it. We already know. We're the war room posse. We're not like, you know, the MSNBC crowd,

00:52:07.360 which is a little slow. They operate on maybe halftime speed. We're on two times speed,

00:52:13.240 at least here in the war room. Until next time. Thank you guys for joining me.

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Episode 4857： The Indictment Of John Bolton

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