Episode 4852: Casualties Of War; Dems Corroborated With DOJ To Target Trump
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Former Justice Department lawyer Jack Smith joins CNN to discuss the No Kings Rally and the Justice Department s new focus on political prosecutions, and why he thinks the DOJ should be doing more than just indicting people for crimes they didn't commit.
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No, there's actually nothing more American than a No Kings rally, if you think about it,
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because this country was born out of the rejection of the monarchy, the rejection of a country,
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frankly, that is ruled by one man as opposed to a country of laws. Like,
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the Declaration of Independence in this country was not just about taxation, it was also about
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principle. And that is what the No Kings rally harkens back to. Let me just be clear, as a
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fellow Republican, this is not a hate America rally. This is a rally to deal with the fact that
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Republicans want to create a king, a kingship in Donald Trump. And I reject it, as a lot of
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Americans do. So let's be clear on the crap that you're laying out there, because you can wordsmith
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it and talk it all you want, folks. But the reality remains that this rally this weekend is because of
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what this president is doing and what this president has done to fellow citizens, which is
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a member of Congress that you think you'd give a damn about. Bible-believing Christians for
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generations, for centuries, is now being twisted for political means.
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Well, I hate to tell you, but it kind of always has been, going back to the time when the Roman
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Empire decided to take this peaceful missionary of a Jewish faith healer and use it to be an imperial
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religion that waged war on pagans and Jews and Muslims in the Crusades. And Christianity has been
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used to justify all kinds of authoritarian atrocities. And at the same time, it's always, always been the
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Christ followers who have pushed back against the authoritarian Christians. When you saw the Crusades,
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you had St. Francis of Assisi quitting the battle and preaching peace. When you saw the doctrine of
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discovery in Columbus, massacring the Taino people, it was Bartolomeo de las Casas, the priest on his final
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voyage, who protested, the first act of protest by a white person in this hemisphere against the treatment of
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indigenous people. When Christianity propped up slavery, it was the Christ followers like
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Frederick Douglass and the Quakers and Harriet Tubman. I mean, this goes through segregation, through
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homophobia, through labor rights. You had Dorothy Day and Catholic charities fighting for an end to
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child labor and, well, weekend. And like millions, I was raised believing Christianity was about the
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stuff Jesus talked about, service, humility, putting the last first, fighting for the marginalized,
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forgive your enemies, turn the other cheek. He wasn't really about total right-wing domination
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of culture and politics and the local school board. Not a big guy about power. So many millions feel
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they've grown up to see this movement of love hijacked by a mean, tax-free clique that is not
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about the teachings of Jesus, but it's about right-wing Christian domination of culture, right-wing power,
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not about the commandments of Christ. If there's rules in the department about how to bring a case,
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follow those rules. You can't say, I want this outcome, let me throw the rules out. That's why,
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frankly, you see all these conflicts between the career apolitical prosecutors I worked with.
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I get very concerned when I see how easy it is to demonize these people for political ends,
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when these are the very sort of people I think we should be celebrating. The people on my special
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counsel team were like that. The idea that politics played a role and who worked on that case or who
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got chosen is ludicrous. Joyce, I know he's choosing his words carefully, but is Jack Smith warning us
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about what the DOJ is currently being turned into?
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Well, look, I think everybody is issuing that warning this week from all different fronts.
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Chris Christie did it earlier today. It's coming from all sides of the political arena.
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But Jack Smith, I think, is making the point that we would expect to hear from a career prosecutor.
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And what he's saying is, you may not believe it in this day and age, but there are prosecutors at
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the Justice Department who don't care about politics. These are people of integrity.
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They work cases based only on the facts and the law. They don't let other considerations enter the
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equation. And so we can have confidence when they make decisions about whether cases should be
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indicted or not indicted. What's wrong here and what we need to really reject is this idea
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of political prosecutions made by people the president has dropped into office.
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By this entire interview, frankly, I think Jack Smith, he wasn't defending like the bureaucracy,
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if you will, throughout this conversation. What he was really talking about was foundational to our
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democracy. And this assertion that the rule of law should define whatever order is and how the people
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within the Department of Justice comport themselves, not whatever the president or anybody else would
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like to think should be. Your take? Yeah, no, absolutely. You know, one thing that came through
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in Smith's conversation was he kept going back to this idea of process. And it was process not for
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process's sake, but it's because the rules and regulations that we have in the Department of
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Justice make sure that decisions aren't made for political reasons, but are made because of the
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facts and the law. You know, one of the things, you know, I frankly kind of found it a little moving
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to hear Jack Smith talk. You know, most of us kind of only know him through, you know, still images in
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newspaper articles or, you know, prepared remarks. You know, seeing him speak extemporaneously about the
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Department of Justice's processes and about its values just stood in just enormous contrast to
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what this administration does and the people who lead it. I found myself very moved and very saddened
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by our current moment. And you go to the heart of the New Testament where the disciples ask Jesus,
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who are we to love? When Jesus says, you're not only to love your enemies, you know, you need to love
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your neighbor as yourself. And then the disciples say, who are our neighbors? And Jesus, what does
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Jesus do? He tells the story of the Good Samaritan, the Good Samaritan, of course, Samaritan, the most
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hated. He was the minority you were allowed to hate back then. Right. He was a minority you were allowed to
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hate. And when a Jewish priest walked by, he didn't help the beaten Jewish man. When other travelers
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walked by, it was the Samaritan. It was the Samaritan who helped the beaten Jewish man. And not only that
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said, took him to the end, said, take care of him. I'll be back and I will pay you for whatever
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expense. It is what we're seeing today is the antithesis of that lesson and the heart of the
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gospel of Jesus Christ. It just is. If you read the red letters, he deliberately makes a religious
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authority. The bad guy in the story and the despised foreign minority you're allowed to hate
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is the hero of it. But I go even beyond that. Look, I'll be the first to say I'm not here calling
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for amnesty or open borders. That was Ronald Reagan. But it's the criminalization of migrants,
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calling them illegals. I call them Christian refugees because it infuriates the right people.
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But go by the Bible. God of the Hebrew scriptures commands the Israelites to welcome the stranger
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and says you must treat the alien as one of your own. And Jesus goes a step further in Matthew 20,
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five and says individuals and nations will be judged heaven or hell by how they take care of
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the poor, take care of the sick, are kind to prisoners and welcome the stranger. Jesus doesn't
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say nothing about screaming at women outside clinics or being mean to the trans kids. It's how you welcome
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the stranger. So I wrote this book as a guide to ask your right wing uncle, why should I listen to
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you and Donald Trump on this and completely reject God and Jesus? I didn't write it.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
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these people. You're just not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people
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have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people
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like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
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had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save
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my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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It's Wednesday, 15 October in the year of our Lord, 2025. I've kind of come to the conclusion that
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between the RAV team in Denver and my own team in the War Room production, we could just have an
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entire show on the cold open. They're so ridiculous. I don't even know where to start
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there, so I'm going to get John Solomon in here to talk about real news. But I guess my recommendation
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for the three-state solution that we need a Christian state in the Holy Land, he's got them
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all worked up. Now they get this book, I don't know, about Christianity and hate, Christians hating
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on everybody. And of course, the Reverend Scarborough. Did he just blame it all on the Jews? I kind
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of confused about his, the Reverend Scarborough, who I've loved getting morning teachings from.
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I kind of was lost about his reference there. But we'll get back to that. We're going to dig
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down on, we're going to drill down on this. John Solomon, I don't know what I'd like more.
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Joe Scarborough teaching us about the New Testament. Or Jack Smith, no, Jack Smith and Andrew,
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you're about to drop a bomb here. Or Jack Smith and Andrew Weissman, who for some reason thought it
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was great to go for, I think, two-hour live interview between each other, lecturing, Scarborough
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lecturing you about Christianity, or Andrew Weissman and Jack Smith lecturing you about the rule of law.
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It's so pick them, right? They're both amazing and insane. But you've got the prices. So I want to
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talk about all those unctuous guys up there about the rule of law, no kings, Donald Trump,
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authoritarian. And this just shows you, Trump could bring peace to the entire world. It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter. There's nothing he can do, folks. Nothing. He brings peace, the framework for
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peace in a cockpit they've been fighting for 3,000 years of these ancient vendettas, even before
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the birth of Christianity, even before the birth of Islam, right? Those guys have been over there
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getting it on. And he brings a framework for peace. He's back. And all they're doing is ripping him to
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try to get millions of people down the streets on Saturday for no kings. But you've got reality.
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Tell me about reality, because it's so jaw-dropping. You're so gobsmacked off this story you're about to
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reveal. It's up on just the news. That people are just sitting there going, this whole system's so
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corrupt. I don't even know where you start bringing it down. John Solomon, what do you got for us today?
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Yeah, well, first, that open sizzle was fantastic, because it reminds us that news shows have stopped
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being about news and about proselytizing and about propaganda and about disinformation. I thought it
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was a brilliant open today, because it shows me, I don't watch those shows anymore. I didn't realize
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how far down the slope they've gone. But they're not news shows anymore. They're just propaganda.
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Kind of. Just crazy. And I don't know if I feel good or bad about hearing that. But it was worth
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watching. I'll tell you that. Let's give you some real news. Let's give you something that matters.
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It matters to civil liberties. All right. We know about the intrusions that the NSA program had on
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our private phone conversations. We know about these senators a couple of weeks ago that we broke the
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story about whose phone records were being rifled through by the FBI. Eight senators, one House member,
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all Republicans. But there is a far larger dragnet sweeping up Americans' phone records
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in the name of investigating January 6th. It turns out that the January 6th Democrat Select Committee
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actually gathered 30 million lines of phone records. That is a monstrous amount of phone records.
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Basically, according to the FBI document that I was allowed to see and write about,
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it was every phone call coming into the switchboard of the Trump White House. Now,
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you wouldn't need that to solve anything in January 6th. But you would need it if you were
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trying to figure out who was MAGA and who wasn't MAGA in America, who was calling the White House and
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who wasn't calling the White House, who was getting past the switchboard to the internal lines, meaning
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the insiders, the people that had access, the people who might talk to a president or his staff.
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That is not a legitimate function of congressional oversight. But Congress used a subpoena and the
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phone companies just burped them up and turned them over 30 million lines of data. I think this will
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become one of the greatest civil liberty stories that we've had in our lifetime, because now we know
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it wasn't just eight lawmakers. It was a monstrous body of documents, basically looking at anyone
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that was having contact with the Trump White House. Now, let's take it a step further. They finished this
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work in 2022, because Democrats get thrown out in the election. A year later, they're trying to give
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it to the FBI, who could never get this amount of phone data themselves. It's too broad. And they're
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trying to slip it to them on the eve of the 2024 election. That is not only civil liberties, it's a
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John, hang on for one second. I just want to hold you to the break. I know you work on some things.
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That's why you're there early. Normally do you a little later in the show. Folks, this shows you what
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this audience was worked up about from the beginning. This is what happens when you have Liz Cheney and
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Kinzinger and these collaborators. They're collaborators. They're just like Vici France, right?
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They're collaborators. Just like the guys in Norway in WW2. The Quislings. They're collaborators. This is so
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jaw-dropping, stunning. And that it's gone this long until we finally had a revelation through John
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Solomon by essentially, I guess, whistleblowers or people inside the apparatus that are just saying,
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we can't hold this back. And you see in doing it, how they tried to weaponize it, having stolen the
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2020 election from Trump, how they were going to use all of this from J6, everything that they could
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dredge up to use it against Trump in 24. Jack Smith and Weissman suck on this. I mean, this shows you
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the criminality, the criminality of the various branches of the executive branch under Biden,
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and also the criminality of Pelosi and that whole crowd over at the House. Short commercial break,
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John Solomon's with us. John, I want to, I want to, if you can just hit replay on the scale of this
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and how they later tried to weaponize against President Trump, but I just want to remind people,
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I don't talk about my case on the show. I've filed for cert to the Supreme Court and one of the
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aspects I've argued all the way through is that this was not a, uh, construction, the constructionist committee
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was unlike anything they'd ever done in the history of the house. You didn't have a ranking member
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and you didn't have minority council. And the reason that's important is that you get all the, this is why the
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thing, we didn't get any, the witness test, you couldn't cross examine, you didn't get any, the testimony
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beforehand. But if you had had that, John, it had been impossible to do what they did because the ranking,
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because the minority council would have blocked it. They would have said that's impossible. So this
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is the problem with having Nancy Pelosi run it. And by the way, yeah. And Cheney, Cheney, Liz Cheney's
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out of Congress. Kissinger's out of Congress. They're all out. They're all exposed. They don't have the
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debate clause right now to protect them. Am I correct on that? That's really important. Let me just walk
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you through a quick timeline. So the committee gets up and running in 2022, they go out and get this
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massive dragnet of phone records, 30 million. You don't need 30 million phone calls to figure out
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what was going on January 6th. What were they doing? They were mapping the MAGA movement with
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every piece of data they could. It was basically creating an enemies list. That's what the J6 committee
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was doing in this project. And think about the scope and scale of what they've now done. 30 million lines
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of phone records trying to figure out everybody who talked to the Trump White House. 92 groups,
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including Charlie Kirk's TPUSA and everybody else in the conservative movement. Eight members of
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Congress in the Senate, one member of the Congress in the House. They were mapping an enemies list. This
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was an investigation purportedly to solve what happened at the Capitol that instead was trying
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to figure out who are the movers and shakers in the MAGA movement that we can stop in 2024. Now that
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plot gets stopped by the American people in December 2022 because Americans choose Republicans,
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Republicans come in, the Democrats get thrown out of the House. A year later, when Adam Kinzinger is
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no longer a member of the committee, he's no longer a member of the House. He no longer has
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protection of the speech and debate clause. He's calling up the FBI and trying to give them
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these records, which by the way, the FBI would never have been able to get this large a swath of
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records. It's just too broad a request, right? There wouldn't be a legitimate investigative need for
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that many records. He's trying to say, hey, I don't know, but let's just get them to you guys.
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He's making that call in December of 2023, four years after most of the cases have already been
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brought in January 6th. Why is he doing that? He's not doing it for some legislative purpose.
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He's not doing it for some criminal purpose because J6 is mostly solved by that point.
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He's doing it to try to give the FBI one more piece of weaponry to stop Donald Trump from winning
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the presidency in 24. That's what is so concerning. It's a civil liberties violation that then gets
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politically weaponized by offering it to the FBI. John Solomon, your story's up on Just the News.
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Where can people go to get the show, podcast, all your information? Because this is about to,
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this is exploding even as we speak. We've got more coming. We've got an interview today with
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Kash Patel. Yeah, we've got an interview with Kash Patel today. We're going to ask him about this.
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It'll be on at six o'clock. I'm lucky enough every day to follow you on Real America's Voice,
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Just the News, No Noise, six o'clock. And then Jay Solomon reports on all social media platforms.
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John Solomon, thank you so much. Massive story. Thanks, my friend. Thank you.
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So, folks, this is why you can't take him seriously. When you got Weissman and you got
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Jack Smith, and of course, Mike Davis, the viceroy, is on a tear right now. He's from Obama to Hillary
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Clinton. He's telling the lawyer up, you're all criminals. You're all going to prison. And I mean,
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he's pulled the pin on the hand grenade and rolled it under the tent. He's a man on fire.
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I've got Barris here. Barris, I got a bunch of things in polling to talk to you. But Charlie
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Kirk, in the memory of Charlie Kirk, yesterday, I thought a very simple and powerful ceremony to
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award Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award that we could
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possibly give. But I've talked to you and Posobiec and a number of people, you know, before the
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ceremony and then afterwards, I want to make sure Charlie Kirk needs to be remembered as a, one,
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a Christian martyr, and number two, as a casualty of war. This, we're now, it's the, I've turned
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Clausewitz a little bit on his head. Narrative war goes to kinetic war. Kinetic war is a furtherance
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of narrative war by other means, like Clausewitz's old saying about politics and war. And Charlie
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Kirk is a casualty of the war. He was assassinated. And I don't think anybody in this audience right
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now is comfortable. I'm not. And I don't think our audience is, I don't think you are with even
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where this investigation is going. Give me a minute or two on that, on Charlie Kirk and his place
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in modern American history. And just as some activist that was trying to have debates with
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kids, or is he a casualty of the war and the civil war that we have in the United States and
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the Christian West right now? You know, Steve, thanks for having me on. There was a beautiful
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ceremony and he deserved every bit of it, plus more. I mean, it's impossible to overstate how
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important Charlie was to the MAGA movement and the resurgence that we're seeing in this country
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right now of American values and Christian beliefs. You know, just as a side note, Charlie, you know,
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I would come on your show. We would always talk about how, you know, MAGA is younger. It's more
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dynamic. It's more diverse. Charlie is one of the few people in that, in this movement who really got
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it. When I would go over pulling data with him, he really got it, Steve. And he understood why,
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why these things were happening. He was immensely important. And to that, you can't overlook
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the role that he played and his assassination and say that this is, you know, political discourse.
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After his assassination, it's not done yet, but I'm going to tell you something right now. It's just
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this problem of political violence is much worse than we thought even before we engaged in this study,
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which really is in honor of Charlie. This is not normal political discourse. This is,
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Charlie is a casualty of war. This isn't a bunch of losers who are sitting home on Reddit and blue sky,
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you know, talking stupid about what they think should happen to their political opponents. We
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just spoke to a 32 year old woman who works for one of the biggest financial institutions in this
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country who told us that she, Charlie had it coming. He had it coming. They not only don't care,
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there is a prominent feeling that people deserve to be hurt for their political beliefs. This is a war.
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This isn't just a political debate. And then, you know, that when you, when you consider all of that
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in the context of how important his role was in the movement, uh, this isn't a murder. This is a
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political assassination. This is a political war. And, and honestly, Steve, I mean, I can't wait to share it
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with you. This is worse than I thought it was. I mean, this is not a bunch of people sitting home
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on discord saying dumb stuff. This is a almost mainstream belief in, uh, among one side in this
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country that thinks it's okay for their political opponents who they disagree with to be killed.
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That is not the United States of America, folks. It's not political discourse. I want to go.
00:24:10.220
No, it has been the United States in some parts of its history. Cause remember the revolution was
00:24:17.420
as much civil war, particularly in the South, particularly in the South, it was as much a
00:24:21.880
civil war as it was a revolution. And of course the civil war, and maybe the 1930s, 20s, 30s,
00:24:27.620
almost broke apart or it had these intense debates. Uh, and I say, Hey, bring it. You're not going to
00:24:33.620
hug this one out. You're not going to debate it out. It was great having Solomon on Solomon's a
00:24:38.640
news hound. I mean, John's an investigative reporter and he, he's buried in like a hedgehog
00:24:42.940
going, going for a thing, but to show the cold open, which we do for you every day. I want people
00:24:47.940
to know one of the things we do in curating the cold open, I try not to go to too many of the
00:24:52.940
more obscure things that we monitor also on the left. We try to give you quite frankly, the biggest
00:24:59.880
shows, the ones that have the biggest audiences that have most production value that are there for
00:25:04.860
the Roberts over at, uh, you know, over at, uh, Comcast where they run MSNBC or ABC or CBS or CNN.
00:25:13.000
And you see how radical it is. Somebody, John, somebody came to him that he's, he has not been
00:25:19.660
on the first block and over a year where you normally have John come in later. He sees the
00:25:24.240
cold open, which is the audience. That's just a standard cold open here in the, in the war room.
00:25:28.860
He's shocked. He's shocked because we are, this is not, Barris nails it. We ain't, this is not a
00:25:36.840
political debate anymore. You're not going to change any of those people by debate. This was the,
00:25:40.780
this was the, this was the, this was the charm of Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk. And they assassinated
00:25:47.380
the best of us because Charlie Kirk still believed you could go into that lion's den and you could in
00:25:53.840
free debate about the marketplace of ideas that you could literally change the minds of some of
00:26:00.560
these young people. Now, maybe on the margins you can, and Charlie was doing a yeoman's effort,
00:26:04.660
but he's also bringing together people that have been kind of raised, made as conservatives and
00:26:08.200
fallen away. That's to me, his power was bringing that back, but you're not going to debate this out.
00:26:13.760
This is not a political debate. And you just see how the left works. They set up a phony committee.
00:26:20.000
They had collaborations like Liz Cheney on it. They went and got 30 million phone records of
00:26:25.860
everybody that called into the white house. Why? So they could go back and prove the citizens that
00:26:30.400
called in and talked to somebody on the staff or president Trump or whatever were guilty of a crime
00:26:34.900
and not proving that crime because they got beaten 22 midterms. They then had the FBI, they then tried
00:26:40.560
to dump it into the 24 election. These people are pure evil and you can't compromise with them and you
00:26:47.220
can't debate it out. Barris. Charlie was trying to reach people before they got to that point.
00:26:53.320
And, you know, literally, I mean, he had his Asian tour when he was his trip over to Asia. And when
00:26:58.320
he was coming back, he was getting ready to, to, to, uh, do a video for my son's friend who loves him
00:27:03.900
and was going to college. That's the, by the way, the kind of person that Charlie Kirk was just
00:27:08.140
because, because I asked him to, uh, but he was getting them younger. That's not what we're talking
00:27:13.340
about here, Steve. I'm talking about people who are already in immersed in their views and they're
00:27:19.800
going to go to work at, you know, uh, these, these, um, financial institutions. They're going to go to
00:27:24.960
work at the federal Bureau of investigation. They're going to go to work at CIA. They're going to go run
00:27:29.460
for Congress for folks. Like this is what I'm trying to explain to people. This is not fringe. This is
00:27:35.840
already in the ranks of people who hold immense power. Look at the text messages from the attorney general,
00:27:41.520
uh, candidate for the democratic attorney, candidate for attorney general in Virginia.
00:27:46.140
This is what I'm trying to tell you is this is who they are and you have to respond accordingly.
00:27:52.800
Senators and congressmen, Republicans in Congress, their job is to conduct oversight of those,
00:27:57.760
those agencies. God forbid, if any of these fanatics end up there, which they have and what
00:28:04.040
have they done? Steve, they've done nothing. And now look, now look, you just, your last segment with
00:28:08.940
John Barris, Barris, hang on for one second. We'll take a short break. Richard Barris is going to
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I've got two things to do with you. Uh, bearish one is I want to, this, this kind of landmark
00:29:46.580
polling study you're doing is coming out next Monday, approximately if you can finish it just once
00:29:52.220
again, give me the themes because it it's inextricably linked with the service at the White
00:29:57.620
House yesterday in, in commemoration of Charlie Kirk's heroism. So, so what are we looking at for
00:30:02.620
next week? What we're trying to do, what we were trying to do was get our arms around this issue of
00:30:08.540
political violence, which is definitely getting worse. Uh, you, you were right. I stand corrected.
00:30:13.180
There have been times in our history where this has been a problem, but I guess we lived, you know,
00:30:17.980
we got a little bit complicit, uh, complacent and we lived in a more stable society where political
00:30:23.160
discourse became the norm. And now, uh, what this, what this study is trying to do. Hold it.
00:30:28.300
It was Fuka, it's Fukuyama's, it's Fukuyama who dead wrong at the big guy at national review and all
00:30:34.300
that. The end of history, the late 1990s was the end of history of liberal democracy throughout the
00:30:39.820
world. The Chinese, China was going to be great. The Chinese Communist Party was going to become
00:30:43.240
liberal Democrats. The, uh, uh, the world, we're just going to have rational discourse,
00:30:47.820
all the time. Nothing could be farther from the truth, right? This is back. This is the all back
00:30:53.520
to the, uh, to, to Hobbes and Malthusian, sir. It was hubris to think that Steve, it was as if
00:31:02.660
we're just exempt from the rules of, uh, of nature's law out of nowhere, right? Our human
00:31:07.600
beings have been living by it and breathing by it for thousands of years. And we were going to
00:31:11.740
suddenly come and up end all of that. It's arrogance. It's the height of arrogance. Um, but we were
00:31:16.640
trying to get our arms around this and Steve, I, at first I thought maybe this is just the
00:31:21.200
latest manifestation of the phenomena that we see with mass shootings, right? Which was
00:31:27.520
kind of modern. It started in the sixties with the university of Texas, right? I was wrong.
00:31:32.220
This is a, I was completely wrong. My hypothesis is out the window. This is, uh, much deeper
00:31:38.620
than that. It's not, you know, when we're talking about something like that, we're talking about
00:31:41.840
like, you know, wayward souls, lost young men who lost their way. And it's very much the same reasons
00:31:47.080
we see young men joining gangs, looking for something to be a part of. No, that is not what
00:31:52.820
we're dealing with here. We're dealing with a complete breakdown in the concept of, uh,
00:31:58.780
political discourse, you know, you know, calm, decent political discourse. And, uh, it's a bigger
00:32:05.540
problem than I thought. So this is going to be huge. It is. And, and hopefully something good
00:32:11.480
comes out of it. That was the entire point. The highest interest survey we've, we put up for the
00:32:16.340
public polling project, highest interest survey hands down in the history of the, the public
00:32:21.200
polling project. So it's not even close. So hope we can, if you're, if you're following along at home,
00:32:27.920
two of the smartest guys that follow this every day, Mark Mitchell and Richard Barris are coming
00:32:33.520
at it in slightly different angles, but it's about a fourth turning. Gosh, where did we hear that
00:32:38.060
before? I don't know. Maybe it was Bannon's 2010 film before you, but there was a hang on. Yeah.
00:32:44.560
Because folks, this is evident. And I don't have time today, but I'm gonna get you back on
00:32:49.620
because this ties to it. The fantasy among New York elites, both conservative and liberal,
00:32:56.880
both Christian and Jewish that are in a fantasy land about mom, Donnie and the ability to defeat
00:33:04.460
him, the develop to, Oh, if he takes it over, just going to be socialism. You are dead wrong.
00:33:09.840
This gets to the core of Marxist, the way Marxist is trying to destroy our society.
00:33:15.060
Communism failed the economics, but Marxism lives and thrives in the modern world, coupled
00:33:19.980
with radical jihad. So I'll get you on the next couple of days. Cause I, this is a perfect segue
00:33:24.840
to my next guest, Richard Barris. Where do people go? What are your coordinates, brother?
00:33:29.840
Best places, uh, locals, peoples, pundit.locals.com, but we're everywhere else on getter at people's
00:33:36.120
pundit on X at people's underscore pundit, but locals is it people's pundit.locals.com.
00:33:41.540
Thanks Steve. As always, I'll see you soon. Thank you, brother. Great work. Mitchell and Barris
00:33:48.060
have come to the same conclusion on the data they're looking at folks. So Chip Roy is going to join
00:33:52.980
me. I've got, we're going to do two things, the sublime, you know, the sublime and the
00:33:56.680
less sublime. We're going to start with just the, the practical, what we have to, we need
00:34:02.100
to talk about the shutdown and the, uh, and the Schumer shutdown. Uh, but then we've got
00:34:06.740
to get into Sharia law and this neo-Marxist, uh, Sharia law supremacist revolution that's before
00:34:16.260
our eyes and about to take over the financial capital of the world. And they're going to turn
00:34:19.520
it into worse than London. We, we warned about Sadiq Khan years ago, Raheem Kassam, myself,
00:34:26.040
the others that were working in Europe and working on this London situation, the British
00:34:30.180
about Brexit. We saw this coming and it's going to be so much worse here. Unless we get
00:34:34.980
a cold open for Chip, let's go and play it and bring Chip around. Katie, I need to watch
00:34:39.240
Groundhog Day, the movie, because that's exactly where we are. Every single day, Mike Johnson
00:34:44.720
holds a news conference and blames Democrats for the shutdown because they did block this
00:34:50.220
clean funding bill and says, he's not going to negotiate with them on anything until the
00:34:54.880
government opens up. And then, uh, you know, he has a conference call with house Republicans
00:34:59.960
who all back him up on his strategy to keep the house out of session. They've been out of
00:35:03.960
session, I think for 25 days now, unprecedented in my time covering Congress to be out this
00:35:09.100
long, especially during a shutdown. And then Senate Democrats blocked the bill again in the
00:35:14.520
Senate, which is going to happen again tonight. Republicans blocked the Senate bill and the
00:35:18.240
government remains closed for yet another day. I mean, uh, just let's pull back the camera for
00:35:23.400
a second. The white house is making this is making it. Okay. Uh, Jake Sherman's right there
00:35:30.340
and he goes on and on and on. But, uh, Chip Roy, if they make payroll today for the military,
00:35:35.460
and my understanding is they feel they can make payroll on the 30th. I mean, it's America. The
00:35:41.000
polling is the polling is milk. Mitchell's got right track, wrong track. It's a 10 point pickup
00:35:46.320
and right track. The Schumer shutdown is a catastrophic failure for the Democrats, sir.
00:35:53.440
Absolutely. First of all, let's rewind the clock a year. Uh, when president Trump was gearing up to
00:35:57.940
win last November, a lot of us, including our mutual and good friend, Russ vote over at OMB and
00:36:03.540
others were planning how this year would unfold. We rightly predicted Democrats would want to try
00:36:08.820
to make a political shutdown occur this fall. So that was a big part of what we were doing in the
00:36:14.340
big, beautiful bill, which you and I both said, Hey, it could be better here. It could be better
00:36:18.480
there, but we delivered and we worked together with the president to deliver what I think is a bill
00:36:22.860
that set the stage for this because we have $150 billion in there for defense. So we could use that
00:36:29.260
and use other money that Russ and his team are doing right now to move money around to be able
00:36:34.200
to pay troops. Right? So now we've got a situation where we're ahead of the curve. We're doing the
00:36:39.080
work the American people sent us the DC to do, but Schumer and the Democrats, Hakeem Jeffries are
00:36:43.840
shutting the government down for purely 100% political purposes because they have nothing else to run on.
00:36:50.100
President Trump is leading, going around the world, kicking butt, you know, doing great things
00:36:53.860
overseas. President Trump gets on a plane, flies back, does the event with Charlie Kirk yesterday,
00:36:59.020
memorializing a great American hero. We're delivering on everything we said we would
00:37:03.120
deliver on and more. And the Democrats have nothing left to do, but basically they're out of ammo and
00:37:08.380
they're just pulling their magazine out and they're throwing it. And that's what the American
00:37:11.920
people are seeing. So I think the right track or on track will go in our favor if we hold the line.
00:37:18.240
And I want to give credit to the speaker, credit obviously to the White House, the president,
00:37:21.920
for holding the line here. And we just got to hope that Senate Republicans hold the line.
00:37:27.700
We've got some of them getting a little weak need over there who are complaining that, well,
00:37:31.300
we might need to go cut a deal or something like that. Democrats are the ones who walked away from
00:37:36.240
the table. You and I don't love CRs. Posse doesn't love CRs. But we came together, everybody,
00:37:43.560
Freedom Caucus, the speaker, everybody in the conference to say, you know what, we're going to do
00:37:48.400
a short-term CR to November because Democrats were rattling that they wanted a shutdown.
00:37:53.860
They own this. It's the Schumer shutdown. They're the ones causing it. The president is doing what
00:37:58.380
he can to make sure our troops are paid and that our country continues to move forward.
00:38:03.820
Okay. As you remember, Russ Vogt, who's the kind of architect of this,
00:38:07.960
also worked through, we were already working perturbations. When you do this, Russ Vogt's got,
00:38:13.580
you know, he's got, he's got plan A, B, C, D. He's got all kinds of alternatives for the president.
00:38:18.600
One of the central beating hearts is if the Democrats are going to do it and kind of walk
00:38:22.220
into a trap and the American people are either indifferent or blaming the Democrats, you can
00:38:27.120
really rev up, not a phony thing like those, you can really rev up deconstruction of the
00:38:32.260
administrative state. And Russ Vogt's got a big old plan in there. Plan A is a drop the bomb on it.
00:38:38.240
Now we've had 4,500. And the reason is you have the RINO senators plus the donors all over
00:38:44.100
President Trump with, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, you know, don't do anything radical. When are we
00:38:48.520
going to get to the point? If we can pay the troops today and, and Besson and Russ can figure out how
00:38:53.520
to, and Pete Heggs has figured out how to pay the troops on the 30th. You know, it's kind of guns
00:38:58.840
free in military terms. When, when, when are we going to unleash Russ Vogt on plan A of deconstructing
00:39:05.440
administrative state and really go to, you know, start doing rifts and, and just pull the quarter
00:39:10.580
on the rifts, sir. Well, uh, I'll obviously let Russ speak to that directly, but I can tell you
00:39:16.180
my conversations like the white house, they're united on what they want to do. And the Democrats
00:39:20.260
have shut this down. Now, Russ has the power to prioritize, right? That's what this is all about.
00:39:25.380
He's got the power to prioritize how we do spending. It's why we make sure our interest is covered.
00:39:30.320
We're not going to default on our debt. Social security payments get done. They're moving money
00:39:34.420
around to pay our troops because that's what a responsible OMB director should do when irresponsible
00:39:39.600
Democrats have shut down. But the key issue here to answer your question, Steve, are Senate
00:39:44.740
Republicans. Will Senate Republicans continue to stand in the way of Russ being able to do more work
00:39:52.580
removing these bureaucrats, riffing all of these, uh, status to advantage, you know, advance this woke
00:39:59.380
agenda that was weaponized against the American people. And, you know, for example, right? I mean,
00:40:04.260
just today you had a situation where you had a Senate Republican who was trying to work with a
00:40:09.620
Democrat, Mark Warner on the CDFI fund, right? Which is one of these funds that was just dramatically woke
00:40:16.760
DEI critical race theory. It was being used for gender ideology. It was being used for illegal
00:40:21.980
immigration and Russ on behalf of the president and the administration, you know, uh, whacked that
00:40:28.060
funding and, and ripped people and pulled back funding from it. Yet you've got some Senate
00:40:33.020
Republicans who are going, Oh, we can't do that. We need this really valuable program, even though it
00:40:37.500
was a corrupt woke weaponized program. So if Senate Republicans will stay out of the way, then they can
00:40:43.580
keep doing their job. And again, they're going to keep all of the services necessary that are
00:40:49.100
constitutional, that are appropriate for people. They rely on social security checks. Our military
00:40:54.380
needs to get paid. They're going to do it responsibly as president Trump, it's Russ vote,
00:40:58.700
but these Senate Republicans need to get out of the way and stop complaining. That's the roadblock
00:41:06.700
Your constituents, let's go and I'm a hold you. I got to talk about the Sharia law thing with you.
00:41:11.340
Your constituents are kind of the heart of the mega base. When you talk to them about this shutdown,
00:41:21.500
Well, look, they want to stand behind the president. They believe in what the president
00:41:25.260
is doing, what Russ is doing. But part of this is an information warfare game. To some degree,
00:41:30.620
most Americans, including even my constituents, haven't fully even kind of woken up to that there
00:41:35.580
is a shutdown. Their lives go on, right? You know, 80% of government's still functioning. TSA is up.
00:41:41.100
Everything is kind of happening. So they're not feeling it. When you get two and four and six
00:41:45.660
weeks in, and now we're getting there, paychecks stop flowing to some people. Then there's an impact.
00:41:51.180
But when I talk to people, they say, hold the line, stay the course. We didn't send you guys there to
00:41:56.300
just, you know, bow down to Democrats who want to use this to advance what we're going to talk about
00:42:01.340
in a minute. They're radical Marxist agenda. That's what this is all about, right? It's about
00:42:06.700
funding illegal aliens so they can get political clout. It's about using taxpayer money to give
00:42:11.660
them health care. It's about giving massive amounts of money to insurance companies to enrich
00:42:16.380
them so they can build their socialist state and make more people and more Americans dependent on
00:42:21.180
government. They know that. My constituents don't want that. They want a limited government. They want
00:42:26.140
freedom. They want to do what Donald Trump is doing. They want to do what Russ Vogt is doing. They want
00:42:30.460
to do what we're standing up and fighting for with the speakers fighting for, and they want us to
00:42:34.940
hold the line. And we're, we are in the driver's seat if we don't blink. And I think that's where
00:42:39.820
they want us to be. Well, the blinking is that's where we got to keep the, uh, the, uh, milk toast
00:42:47.660
Republicans, certain milk toast Republicans, not all of them in the Senate. We got to keep in line.
00:42:51.740
Okay. Hang on for one second. Uh, we're going to stick around. We got this neo-Marxist, uh,
00:42:57.740
jihadist Sharia supremacist revolution going on in the United States. The front folks for that are
00:43:04.700
the radical democratic party and their media partners. But I'm going to talk. We got a couple
00:43:09.660
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00:43:14.300
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We don't really talk about the price of gold here. We try to teach you about the process of
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and why it's just not a hedge anymore. It used to be a hedge, but now it's actually becoming a major
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asset class for central banks because of buying at record rates in this whole global movement of
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de-dollarization and money center banks. Jamie Dimon, who says he is one of the biggest critics
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China is 5,000 to $10,000. Gold blew through $4,200 overnight. Okay. We told you why that was
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doesn't know, but we've got data and logic that you can make a decision because we're not selling
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your fish. We're teaching you how to fish. Philip Patrick in the next hour. Okay. So Chip, as you know,
00:46:26.660
I'm not a big fan of you leaving Congress, but hey, it is what it is. What's going to happen on November
00:46:31.900
5th? I think it's November 5th in New York City is going to be a seismic, uh, plate shift. And it's
00:46:38.600
not, this kid's not some fluke. This is like Obama. This is like Sadiq Khan. They've been working on
00:46:43.700
this one for a long time and it's not socialism. Please get that out of your lexicon. It's Marxism
00:46:48.580
with radical, uh, jihadist, Sharia supremacism and the working family party and DSA. They've copied
00:46:58.120
the Trump playbook for the precinct strategy and turning point USA. It's all about ground game.
00:47:03.600
It's all about low propensity, low information voters. You get those, you win. You can't do it
00:47:07.540
by TV commercials. It's good old fashioned work and they're doing it. If it was just New York City,
00:47:12.020
there's a problem. No, we got in this Idaho, the situation with the Qatar base out there.
00:47:17.640
You've also got a bigger issue. I hate to say it in the, in the lone star state, the railhead of the
00:47:22.980
MAGA movement is our problem. There's just not Abbott in the rhinos. It's deeper than that.
00:47:29.260
And right now you've got a wave of people in investment and people buying land and it's not
00:47:34.940
the Chinese Communist Party. That's bad enough, but it's Sharia supremacists are trying to take
00:47:40.120
over the state of Texas, sir. Yes, Steve, you're exactly right. Like, look, this is the fight of
00:47:45.380
our day. And I really believe that. And a little aside, you know, yesterday I was at the event at the
00:47:49.760
White House honoring and celebrating Charlie Kirk. And the last substantive conversation I had with
00:47:54.620
Charlie this summer, besides just back and forth, random, you know, texts back and forth, a substantive
00:47:59.920
conversation was about how we, our conservative movement, all of us do not yet embrace and understand
00:48:06.900
the extent to which we have a war being waged against us by radical individuals, jihadists,
00:48:13.860
adherence to Sharia. And it's happening right now every single day. And we're asleep at the switch.
00:48:18.620
And he spoke out about it. I'm speaking out about it. I introduced legislation last week
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called the Preserving a Sharia Free America Act to prevent people from being able to come into the
00:48:28.520
United States fully vetting. And if you're found it being adherent to Sharia that you need to be removed
00:48:33.620
because it is antithetical to our constitution, antithetical to the declaration. It is against the
00:48:38.800
rule of law in the United States and it undermines Western civilization. You're right. Texas is ground
00:48:44.280
zero. There are more mosques that are being opened in Texas every day than any other state in the
00:48:48.980
union. We have this East Plano Islamic center that's 400 acres that the legislature is trying
00:48:54.820
to stop from being a, you know, Sharia oriented, you know, kind of Muslim only community, but they're
00:49:00.820
really not. I mean, they're going to continue to develop it and it's going to continue to be
00:49:04.920
predominantly, if not entirely, Sharia adherence. You have what you see happening in Dearborn.
00:49:09.520
You have what you see happening in Minneapolis. And now you rightly raise the flag about what's
00:49:13.880
happening in New York. It is a coordinated plan. And look, I had a conversation yesterday
00:49:18.320
with a guy who is a Muslim who is fully on board with this bill because he understands that political
00:49:24.940
nature of Islamism, Islamists, Sharia adherents who want to basically destroy everything about
00:49:33.200
Western civilization. If we don't realize that, if we don't combat it, we're going to lose our way of
00:49:38.980
life. It is arguably the number one issue we need to address. And that's one of the biggest reasons
00:49:44.380
that I am leaving Congress to go back to Texas to be attorney general. We've got to fight it and
00:49:49.320
we've got to fight it in our communities and we don't fight it in Texas. We're not going to win it in
00:49:53.160
America. When you see Mondami, he's the poster child for the successes, just like Sadiq Khan.
00:49:59.940
They graft onto this, this radical, uh, neo-Marxism or Marxism. Okay. It's not communism. It's Marxism.
00:50:06.620
And to it, the last numbers I saw in New York city had, uh, over, I think Jewish for 40% of Jewish
00:50:14.020
voters are going to vote for Mondami. And I think something like 60% of kids, Jewish kids under 30.
00:50:19.760
This guy is, this guy is a radical jihadist and a Sharia supremacist with his money coming from places.
00:50:27.020
We have no earthy idea. This is going to be, and I conservate it and they're going, Oh, he's a
00:50:32.040
socialist. We want him to take charge. No. Once they grab it, just like in London, they change it
00:50:37.400
and they don't give it up. And you got to go in with a trenching tool and dig them out. You're
00:50:41.540
just not going to sit there some election, a couple of years. This is why Trump said yesterday,
00:50:45.420
not me, the president of the United States. He says, Hey, look, if that guy wins, I'm cutting
00:50:49.240
off federal funds to New York city. Full stop. Yeah. President Trump understands the threat here.
00:50:54.400
Yeah. If you look at what's happened in France and in the UK, right? Well, that is a preview
00:51:00.700
of what's coming to the United States. You don't have to wait for it. Right. I've already mentioned
00:51:04.060
Dearborn. I've already mentioned Minneapolis, Texas, but you've got 10% of France that is
00:51:08.620
now Muslim. You've got 7% of the UK and growing. They now have enormous positions of power in
00:51:15.120
the various elected jobs and elected officials throughout the UK and France. Mosques that are
00:51:19.900
now growing at faster rates than churches. It is purposeful. It is happening. And the only
00:51:24.380
reason it hasn't happened faster here in the United States is the ocean, because you've
00:51:28.040
got a bunch of, you know, frankly, weak Republicans and weak people who are hiding behind the first
00:51:33.480
amendment, which has nothing to do with this politicized political, as you say, neo-Marxist
00:51:39.240
political effort. It is Islamism and Marxism, and they want to destroy everything good and
00:51:44.560
great. So hang on. So you've got, so hang on. So you've got, you've got 150 co-sponsors right
00:51:49.740
now. Is that I'm correct? Is 150 co-sponsors already? No, no, but I've got about
00:51:54.360
20 or 25 and growing, but we need to get 150. If you're joking, I can tell, but we need,
00:52:02.200
Okay. We're going to have you back on and drill down on this. Where are your coordinates,
00:52:07.340
Yeah. Chip Roy TX, C-H-I-P-R-O-Y-T-X. Chiproy.com is my website. Keep at it, Steve. We got to keep
00:52:14.100
fighting to protect and defend this country. God bless you, my friend.
00:52:16.840
Thank you, sir. Reverend Hagee years ago nailed it. He talked about England and France. He said,
00:52:26.740
the problem is very simple. The mosques are full and the churches are empty. He nailed it. The mosques
00:52:35.360
are full and the churches are empty. And if you go to France or England, some of the most beautiful
00:52:41.860
churches in the world, five people there for service. Short break. Philip Patrick joins the
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