In this episode, host Alex Blumberg is joined by Jack Dorsey to discuss President Trump's comments about running for re-election, and whether or not it's possible for him to run for a third term.
00:00:00.000Quote, the founders of our nation foresaw a figure like Trump, a demagogue who would ascend to the presidency and refuse to relinquish power to a successor chosen by the American people in a free and fair election.
00:00:11.960Thomas Jefferson warned that such an incumbent, if narrowly defeated, would pretend false votes, foul play, hold possession of the reins of government.
00:00:19.740Were that moment ever to come, the founders believed it would mark the demise of the nations, the nation that they had conceived, bringing to a calamitous end the greatest experiment in self-government ever attempted by man.
00:00:32.200End quote. As Judge Ludig notes in the same piece, the federal judiciary is under extraordinary pressure.
00:00:39.000It is now confronting a president who's actively trying to amass the powers of a king who's given Americans ample reason to believe that he intends to defy the Constitution's two term limit.
00:00:48.020Those Trump 2028 hats scattered around the Oval Office, they're not a joke.
00:00:53.440They're part of an effort to normalize something that is unequivocally illegal and unconstitutional.
00:01:36.140All I can tell you is that we have a great group of people, which they don't.
00:01:41.000They have Jasmine Crockett, a low IQ person.
00:01:43.580We Americans are by good nature, are by nature good people who believe in the inherent goodness of others, especially those we elect to represent us in the highest office in the land.
00:01:53.440But we ignore such statements and other expressions of Trump's intent at our peril.
00:01:57.500The 47th president is a vain man, and nothing would flatter his vanity more than seizing another term.
00:02:03.780Doing so would signify the ultimate triumph over his political enemies.
00:02:07.500Now, my presumption is that you wrote this article prior to Trump going on Air Force One and saying, telling reporters, that he was not going to run for a third term, that he didn't think it was constitutionally viable, and that voters wouldn't be happy with him.
00:02:21.720Do you think we should take his word for that, or do you think he's going to ultimately listen to advisors like Steve Bannon, who say that there are plans in the works to allow him to run again?
00:02:30.500Jackie, I wrote the Atlantic article several weeks ago, and it was actually scheduled to run, I think, on November 3rd.
00:02:40.500And the Atlantic pushed that data up in response to the president's comment, first, that he would love to be president for a third term, and Steve Bannon's comments that Donald Trump is going to be the next president, succeeding himself.
00:03:03.680And then that's to say that the article ran at 7 a.m. the morning that the president, by the end of the day, from Air Force One on his way to Korea, had seemed to back away, saying that from what he reads, the 22nd Amendment prohibits him from running again.
00:03:27.160Now, the question, of course, is, will he, notwithstanding that, run again?
00:03:35.700There's no reason, and he has given the American people no reason to believe that he will not run again and be the next president of the United States by whatever means are necessary.
00:04:08.100And here I am, because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me.
00:04:12.660And yet, when you go after a dirty cop like Comey, or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has, I don't know anything about it, I hear he took records all over the place, who knows?
00:04:21.660Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion.
00:04:25.160No, I was just asking, is it political retribution?
00:05:14.220No, you don't have to instruct them, because they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt, that the honest people we have, Pam Bondi's doing a very good job.
00:05:46.540I had 78 or 98 FBI agents with arms come into my house, and you're telling me, Nora, that I went after some lowlife named Comey, who's a judge to be a crooked guy.
00:06:07.280What the American people have to understand is that the foundation, the pillars of our nation, as set forth by our founding fathers and the architects of our Constitution, are under assault today.
00:06:26.400It is a paramount obligation of the federal judges of the United States, all of them, including the Supreme Court, to condemn what's happening in America today.
00:07:38.080Clearly, the 22nd Amendment is a pretty clear amendment.
00:07:40.220That said, do you take it seriously when Bannon and those folks talk about the fact that Donald Trump will be the president after the elections of 2028?
00:07:49.660Well, Ali, as you know, up until the day that The Atlantic released my article, there had never been any suggestion, to my knowledge,
00:08:03.480by either the president or Mr. Bannon, that the 22nd Amendment limited the president to the two terms or to the two elections to the office of president that he's been elected to.
00:08:20.720It was only within 12 or 15 hours after my article ran at 7 a.m. that day that the president of the United States on his way to Korea and aboard Air Force One lamented what he reads that the 22nd Amendment prevents him from running for election again.
00:08:48.380Do I think that that that would stop him?
00:09:16.740And all along, for eight months, they've been hinting that the president would run for election again.
00:09:25.740So I believe today that there's a likelihood that Donald Trump will run for election for the president again.
00:09:36.400And as I say in the Atlantic article, he has amassed near absolute unchecked power in the United States, power that would enable him to run for election, be defeated for the presidency.
00:09:57.140Right. And nonetheless, be the next president of the United States of America.
00:10:03.140I mean, the common denominator here is Donald Trump and Democrats are on the precipice of delivering a huge blow to Donald Trump in his second term.
00:10:12.140What are we talking about here? Well, why don't we just look? Democrats lead all the key races.
00:10:17.140You go to New Jersey governor. That's really the only close one.
00:10:19.140Mikey Sherrill, the Democrat, up by six points.
00:10:21.140Abigail Spanberger in Virginia, up by Talens.
00:10:23.140Ramondani up by 16 points in New York City. The bottom line is this.
00:10:29.140Yes, there are ideological differences between the Democrats.
00:10:32.140But the key common component is they are all going after Donald Trump and all the Democrats lead from New Jersey to Virginia to New York City.
00:10:41.140They all lead the Republican and independent opponents.
00:10:44.140How much is he impacting the cases? Never mind that they want to beat him in their minds.
00:10:48.140It's sort of like, hey, this is to show you that we can beat you. But but how much is he affecting these?
00:10:53.140I mean, look, Donald Trump is a huge, huge drag in all of these races.
00:10:58.140Look at his net popularity ratings in New Jersey. He's 11 points underwater. Virginia, 14 points underwater.
00:11:03.140Not much of a big surprise in New York. He's 35 points underwater.
00:11:06.140And I will note nationally in my aggregate of polls, he's about 13 points underwater in our CNN poll.
00:11:11.140He's way below that, which looks a lot like New Jersey, a lot like Virginia.
00:11:15.140So these races, in my mind, could be huge bellwethers going into next year to understanding how Donald Trump is impacting these races.
00:11:23.140He is a huge, huge drag and across the board, New Jersey, Virginia and New York City.
00:11:28.140Do these races tell us anything about the midterm as to what happens here and what might happen in the midterm?
00:11:33.140Yeah. OK, so, you know, I was mentioning, of course, Donald Trump being a huge drag, right?
00:11:38.140He's at his second term lows, not just in our CNN poll, but across the different polls that we were looking at this weekend.
00:11:43.140And why is it that these races are so important?
00:11:46.140Well, go back through history. Jump in that DeLorean.
00:11:49.140Look at what has happened when Democrats sweep New York City, New Jersey and Virginia governor.
00:11:54.140They won the U.S. House the next year five out of five times in the last 90 years.
00:12:00.140You go all the way back to the FDR administration.
00:12:02.140So the bottom line is this. When Democrats do well in these off year elections, when they sweep New Jersey, Virginia and New York City,
00:12:08.140historically speaking, that means they go on to win the U.S. House of Representatives the next time around.
00:12:14.140And when we're in this national polarized environment and Donald Trump is as unpopular as he is,
00:12:19.140I think that history is likely to hold if, in fact, Democrats do sweep tomorrow, which at this point looks more likely than not.
00:12:26.140We will have to see. We also have some new polling numbers also that makes Democrats not look so good.
00:12:30.140So it's kind of like wondering whether this historic norm will stay as per usual.
00:12:35.140And that, my friend, is why we go 365 years to find out what happens next year.
00:12:40.140Monday, 3, November, in the year of our Lord, 2025 was the fifth anniversary of the stolen election.
00:12:47.140Lead story in the Trump Revived Scrutiny of 2020.
00:12:52.140Lead story in the Washington Post, which is the paper of record supposed to be for politics in this country.
00:12:59.140You see right there the narrative they're building.
00:13:03.140There's only one thing they're not mentioning.
00:13:07.140President Trump was never engaged in any of these contests.
00:13:10.140Oh, they forgot to add the launch of Newsom's 2028 campaign in California with what looks to be a blowout win on the one of the most important, the redistricting wars where they're going to pick up five seats illegally.
00:13:28.140They're going to turn tomorrow night into a thumping of President Trump.
00:13:33.140If President Trump, if they had, if the campaigns in Jersey, which still could be one, by the way, both of them would be one if you have massive, and I mean massive, game day turnout.
00:13:45.140If they don't win by huge spreads, and I mean in the number of, you know, 175,000, 200,000 votes plus, which is a huge, huge ask, then you're going to have a sweep.
00:13:59.140I know he's doing a teletown hall, I think, tonight in New Jersey and in the Commonwealth.
00:14:04.140But that's not like having Trump intimately involved.
00:14:07.140Remember, President Trump, because of the MAGA turnout in 21, won for Yunkin, who's been a total and complete disaster since then.
00:14:15.140Abandoned everything on the parents move, you still got boys and girls back, the whole thing's a disaster.
00:14:21.140Because he spent all his time in Iowa running for 28, which I think will be put to bed tomorrow night after they lose across the board in Virginia.
00:14:34.140Nobody solved for the part of the equation of can you get folks out, particularly lower propensity voters that only come out for President Trump.
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00:17:31.140The only end point is our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the Alpha and the Omega.
00:17:37.140Other than that, it's processing critical path.
00:17:40.140That's why tomorrow, what happens in Texas is inextricably linked, hardwired to what's happening in the streets of Manhattan.
00:17:49.140Particularly when you talk about not just Marxist and jihadist, but also, honestly, our biggest problem is establishment Republicans who don't want to get in the fight because it's too tough.
00:18:05.140And at the end, they're going to whine about it, which you've seen in New York City right now.
00:22:49.140And you look at the alternative because you always have to look at the opportunity cost of what would have happened in either Hillary Clinton or an extension of with Kamala Harris, a complete and total disaster.
00:25:14.140One of the sheriff said, we need body bags.
00:25:17.140We literally sent body bags because these these farmers that live on the other side of the border are finding the dead bodies of these migrants who are just victimized by the cartel.
00:25:28.140We have created by an open border an industrial complex for human trafficking on the border.
00:25:34.140Now, thank the Lord that President Trump and Tom Homan came in to save the day.
00:25:39.140And they have done a fabulous job of securing that border.
00:25:43.140But Texas can never be caught again with with this situation, regardless of who's in the White House.
00:25:50.140I am a person who will in Austin, as your state senator, be the one fighting to make sure Operation Lone Star stays fortified.
00:25:59.140Our Border Patrol has what they need, that that if they need our Texas National Guard, they're going to get it.
00:26:06.140And I will not take a knee because border safety and border security is important to all Texans and all Americans.
00:26:14.140How much the Chinese Communist Party, how much money they put in money?
00:26:19.140The money laundering capital of the world is Macau.
00:26:22.140The sex trafficking capital of the world is Macau because they've had 450 million abortions, 80 percent little Chinese babies, female babies.
00:26:31.140So they got this disconnect with young men.
00:26:34.140So it's Macau is one of the dirtiest, nastiest cities in mankind's history.
00:26:39.140How are you stacking up against your opponent?
00:37:32.140A Ugandan citizen, a citizen of Uganda, who's a jihadist, his parents are jihadists, funded by the darkest money, the most dangerous money coming out of the Middle East that we don't even know, all this dark money.
00:37:51.140We don't even know who gave it, where they gave it, how they gave it, but they gave it.
00:37:57.140And then his Marxist rhetoric on the other side.
00:38:00.140Remember, the Marxists always put on a, look at the Bolsheviks from the revolution.
00:38:03.140They always put a happy, they try to put a happier face on it.
00:38:06.140They put it, you know, democracy is a big thing, democracy.
00:38:10.140Until Trump starts winning, then all of a sudden it's, you know, they're not into democracy.
00:38:14.140They got to figure it out that Trump's anti-democratic, although he just won a sweeping victory, right?
00:39:07.140Hey, I don't know, but we're going to talk to some experts.
00:39:10.140Mark Lucas, a portion of your life was confronting this jihadism in the heart of it.
00:39:23.140Another, you know, American adventure paid for in blood and treasure, particularly blood, blood of this new greatest generation.
00:39:31.140Your thoughts when you see on the close to the fifth, the day after the fifth anniversary on them stealing the election for Trump.
00:39:42.140Remember, they stole the election for Trump.
00:39:44.140The day they got in office in the first hundred days, they did not do anything on raising taxes on the bayonaires.
00:39:55.140Nothing. It was all performative. Why?
00:39:57.140The bayonaires owned the Democratic Party.
00:40:00.140You know what they did day one, though?
00:40:03.140They were already organized with the NGOs in a very systematic allowing and exacerbating an invasion of our country of 10 to 15 million people.
00:40:16.14010 to 15 million illegal alien invaders.
00:40:21.140That's what they did. And that's what they had to have Trump out of the way.
00:40:24.140They understand he went a long way to sealing the border and starting to build a wall and getting serious like he did this time when he sealed the border in 60 days.
00:40:31.140Something they told you forever was impossible, impossible in any amount of time.
00:40:38.140So, Mark Lucas, your article three, the Viceroy is my man.
00:40:44.140Man, Donnie is not a citizen because he lied about his citizenship.
00:40:49.140What are we going to do about it, sir?
00:40:52.140It was unbelievable after 9-11 when I saw the Twin Towers fall.
00:40:58.140You know, I really wanted to serve my country overseas to destroy these monsters that were willing to take innocent life.
00:41:04.140And it's unbelievable to me and many veterans all across our country that New York City is poised to elect a foreign-born Islamist
00:41:14.140who parades around known undietted conspirators of the first World Trade Center attack.
00:41:22.140And now I'm hearing New Yorkers say they want to give up on New York City.
00:41:26.140Well, as an infantry officer, we don't believe in giving up any ground.
00:41:29.140If you look at President Trump and Secretary Hegseth at the Department of War,
00:41:33.140they're going into cities like Chicago and D.C. and Los Angeles.
00:41:37.140They're not giving up on these big cities.
00:41:39.140So, at Veteran Action, I want to remind the American people of my service to Afghanistan
00:41:45.140and thousands of others who served in Iraq and Afghanistan that we saw radical Islam up close and personal.
00:41:51.140And these people aren't coming to America to assimilate.
00:41:55.140They're not coming here to enjoy our freedoms.
00:41:57.140They're coming to conquer and to dominate us.
00:42:00.140And some people are saying, well, Mark, your experience in Afghanistan, that's a one-off.
00:42:04.140That's more of a cultural issue in Afghanistan.
00:46:11.140And I see too many people in the Republican Party in the establishment that they don't see this threat.
00:46:17.140Well, I saw Mamdani openly campaigning with an unindicted co-conspirator of the first World Trade Center attack.
00:46:24.140I think that's enough grounds to investigate his application to citizenship, to see if he committed fraud by saying that he was not affiliated with terrorist organizations.
00:46:34.140And then we should move to denaturalize him and to kick him out of this country.
00:46:39.140And every other Islamic candidate who has been openly working with these type of people should also be investigated.
00:48:57.140I built an Action Center for Veteran Action, just like I did with the Article 3 Project.
00:49:01.140And right now we're advocating not just against Zoran Mamdani, but we're also supporting President Trump's top legislative priority for veterans, the Veterans Access Act.
00:49:10.140That would give them access to good quality health care.
00:49:14.140You can follow me on Getter, Truth, all the socials, at MarkLucasUSA.
00:49:19.140When you talk to the veterans that are part of Veterans Action, where are they coming down on, and not just Mondani, but what's happening in Texas and other places throughout the country?
00:49:32.140In particular, within Plano, Texas, there seems to be this growth of people trying to promote Sharia law and openly shouting down Christians.
00:49:41.140We witnessed this stuff in Afghanistan.
00:49:43.140We cannot believe it's coming to our home shore.
00:49:46.140We're told a part of the deal with fighting the global war on terror was that we were able to fight these guys outside of America.
00:49:54.140But now we're having to struggle here with politicians who are inviting these people into our country.
00:49:59.140So veterans are just very shaken, but we're willing to fight for this country like we did overseas.
00:50:05.140We support President Trump securing the border, limiting immigration, and really focusing on the homeland.
00:50:28.140It shouldn't be lost on people that it was a group of Texans that were running the United States government between 2000, 2001, 2008, when we went very easy on this.