Bannon's War Room - Episode 5324： What Needs To Happen In Iran To Wrap Up The War And Open The Strait

00:00:00.000 All right, we have some breaking news for you.

00:00:01.840 CNN has learned Iran is sending a delegation to Islamabad for negotiations.

00:00:06.660 That is according to Pakistani and Iranian sources.

00:00:10.800 We don't know yet if the U.S. plans to send a delegation of its own.

00:00:15.240 It comes after negotiations, as you well know, fell through earlier this week.

00:00:19.560 And we are standing by for an update from the Pentagon,

00:00:22.000 scheduled to begin in just about 30 minutes from now.

00:00:24.760 It comes as a third U.S. aircraft carrier arrives in the Middle East,

00:00:28.540 and it's the first briefing since President Trump extended the ceasefire with Iran.

00:00:34.320 You'll remember that originally he said the war would last four to six weeks,

00:00:38.640 but now it's been nearly eight weeks.

00:00:41.740 The president says he feels no pressure to bring it to an end,

00:00:44.700 telling reporters, quote, don't rush me.

00:00:47.180 And if the ceasefire fails, CNN has learned the U.S. military officials

00:00:51.340 are developing new plans to target Iran's capabilities in the Strait of Hormuz. 0.63

00:00:56.200 Well, good morning. 0.78

00:00:56.980 Unlike the endless wars of the past that dragged on for years and for decades with little to show for it, Operation Epic Fury has delivered a decisive military result in just weeks.

00:01:11.720 Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, as the president has pointed out, all took years, decades.

00:01:19.580 Vague missions, shifting sands, little to show for it.

00:01:24.320 Operation Epic Fury has been laser focused from the very start, as I've said to all of you.

00:01:30.120 Clear mission objectives and ultimately Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.

00:01:35.920 It's a bold and dangerous mission, a gift to the world, historic, courtesy of a bold and historic president.

00:01:47.580 Without the permission of the United States Navy.

00:01:49.800 To the regime in Tehran, the blockade is tightening by the hour.

00:01:55.360 We are in control.

00:01:57.020 Nothing in, nothing out.

00:02:00.240 Iran's battered military, the IRGC specifically, has been reduced to a gang of pirates with a flag. 0.89

00:02:08.960 They cloak their aggression in slogans, but the world now sees them for what they are, criminals on the high seas. 0.69

00:02:16.340 They don't control anything.

00:02:18.160 they're acting like pirates, acting like terrorists. They're the ones who lay indiscriminate

00:02:25.100 minds, who shoot at random ships, who killed 45,000 of their own people, innocent protesters

00:02:34.560 in the course of weeks, their own people. They are the bad actors. I see it every day behind 0.98

00:02:43.420 closed doors. President Trump's fortitude is unshakable and his mission is crystal clear.

00:02:49.980 President Trump said it again yesterday. We have all the time in the world and we're not anxious

00:02:57.420 for a deal. And I hear him say it every day in private as well. Iran knows that they still have

00:03:04.820 an open window to choose wisely. As we said previously, choose wisely at the negotiating

00:03:10.160 table. All they have to do is abandon a nuclear weapon in meaningful and verifiable ways or

00:03:16.720 instead they can watch their regime's fragile economic state collapse under the unrelenting

00:03:21.280 pressure of American power. A blockade as long as it takes. Whatever President Trump decides.

00:03:30.720 Because the bottom line remains the bottom line. Iran will never get a nuclear bomb.

00:03:35.680 The choice is theirs, but with this blockade, the clock is not on their side.

00:03:41.680 Earlier this week on that topic, there was a report, I believe, with the Washington Post

00:03:47.320 that the Pentagon had briefed Congress that it could take up to six months to fully sweep

00:03:53.800 the Strait of Hormuz for mines. I was wondering if you could comment a little bit more on

00:03:59.480 the specifics of the timeline, the range of time that it could take, and then just a general

00:04:05.380 idea of how many how many minds have been placed we would not speculate on a timeline i saw that

00:04:10.740 report it was based on again another leak from a closed door session which was supposed to be

00:04:15.620 classified and apparently allegedly that was something that was said about we feel confident

00:04:21.060 our ability in the correct period of time to clear any minds that we identify and would encourage

00:04:27.460 other countries to be a part of such an effort as well but we're tracking that very closely again

00:04:32.020 using rotary wing assets to get to the ship got on board and secured the bridge both ships the

00:04:40.020 tefani the majestic x and their crews remain in u.s custody and we will continue to conduct similar

00:04:47.540 maritime interdiction actions and activities in the pacific and indian oceans against iranian

00:04:54.900 ships and vessels of the dark fleet. The actions by our service members and our law enforcement

00:05:02.520 partners demonstrate the incredible discipline and dedication and professionalism of our joint

00:05:09.660 force and highlight the global reach of American combat power. The joint force remains on ensuring

00:05:17.680 the Iranian regime cannot harm our interests or those of our allies and partners. And I'll

00:05:24.600 highlight that Iran has repeatedly sought to offensively and proactively expand the conflict 0.54

00:05:32.480 by aggression against its neighbors and its attacks on global shipping through the strait.

00:05:38.820 To date, Iran has attacked five merchant vessels, seized two of them that were attempting to transit

00:05:45.100 the strait. And these include ships that Iran itself had cleared to proceed. And I don't think

00:05:51.940 there was much for Hegseth to report here. There's not much progress. Not much is changing.

00:05:56.480 There's nowhere near the number of ships getting through the Strait of Hormuz, getting out

00:05:59.720 to the rest of the world as there was before this war. And I just think it's more of the kind of 0.90

00:06:04.840 almost the negative rhetoric, the name calling, mocking the fancy meetings in Europe.

00:06:09.780 The bottom line is that the U.S. Navy needs those European ships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

00:06:15.440 And the way you get there isn't mocking them. And I have there's a it's just a there's a report

00:06:20.120 MSNOW hasn't confirmed yet, but a Reuters report by one of their best reporters who I know,

00:06:25.240 and it's about this email circulating, talking about ideas about how to retaliate against Europe,

00:06:29.320 possibly trying to suspend Spain from NATO.

00:06:33.100 That's not even legally possible.

00:06:35.280 But this was flagged to me by David Catler.

00:06:37.380 He's a senior former U.S. national security official, and he's also worked with NATO very closely.

00:06:42.440 He said this tactic just doesn't work.

00:06:44.980 It's just further alienating the Europeans at a time when the U.S. needs as much help as it can get.

00:06:50.420 So, again, the top line to me was that there just wasn't much progress to announce here.

00:06:54.800 And I didn't hear it. Essentially, we're in this standoff with Iran and they're not blinking. 0.90

00:07:00.200 Good morning, Mr. Secretary, Mr. Chairman, David Zia, Real America's Voice. 0.98

00:07:04.400 To follow up on Alexander's question, how big are these mind laying boats?

00:07:10.340 Can they be achieved from fast boats?

00:07:12.240 And I wanted to follow up my last week question about as jet fuel stocks in Europe reportedly are only about six weeks left.

00:07:20.180 They get most of the jet fuel from the Gulf.

00:07:22.160 Have any European countries reached out to assist in coordinating off the strait and participating in escorts?

00:07:29.200 I know there's a lot of talks.

00:07:31.540 You saw the I would call it a silly conference in in Europe last week where they got together and talked about talking about maybe doing something eventually when things are done.

00:07:42.240 those are not serious efforts yet we would welcome that we would welcome a serious european effort

00:07:48.960 to do something about this strait and this passage considering it's their energy

00:07:54.080 capabilities that are most at stake i think it's a wake-up call it's a wake-up call for

00:07:57.840 countries around the world either you have capabilities or you don't otherwise you're

00:08:00.960 at the behest of a country like iran and the only country that can do something about it

00:08:06.240 is the united states military you want to talk about the mines and the small crafts

00:08:09.760 They have a variety of smaller Boston whaler-sized boats.

00:08:14.360 We have forces up there deterring and preventing them from continuing to do that,

00:08:20.020 and will continue to do so pursuant to the orders of the Secretary and the President.

00:08:23.820 But reckless mining like that is a violation of the ceasefire.

00:08:27.520 Unwise to do that.

00:08:28.280 And very unwise to do.

00:08:30.120 Two members of our press corps here.

00:08:31.960 Jacob Wasserman with TMZDC.

00:08:35.340 We have two questions.

00:08:36.620 I'm going to ask the first.

00:08:37.580 My colleague will ask the second.

00:08:38.800 You know, I've heard you talk a lot about bombing people in places, and when you give these orders to carry out this extreme level of violence, what's going through your mind and your body?

00:08:55.380 Do you have, like, an adrenaline rush?

00:08:57.460 Are you scared?

00:08:58.740 Do you feel like you're on a power trip?

00:09:00.600 Just walk us through and paint us a picture of what it feels like mentally and physically.

00:09:05.260 It's a very TMZ question.

00:09:07.140 My only thought process is to ensure that our warfighters have everything they need to be successful,

00:09:13.440 defeat and destroy the enemy, and they come home.

00:09:16.700 I want them to feel empowered, to have every authority they need within our rules and within our law

00:09:22.640 to bring maximum violence to the enemy.

00:09:25.780 Because war is violent, war requires doing difficult things,

00:09:30.620 but I want our people to feel empowered so it's our guys that come home and they're guys that do not.

00:09:36.420 Friday, 24, April, in the year of our Lord, 2026.

00:09:45.060 Secretary of the Navy unceremoniously fired,

00:09:50.040 was it yesterday, the day before, unceremoniously fired a close friend of,

00:09:54.400 I shouldn't say close friend, a friend of President Trump's

00:09:57.340 and lives down the street from Mar-a-Lago, a billionaire.

00:10:01.420 there and why because of this controversy about a shipbuilding program now when i was in we had

00:10:10.880 252 ships under carter something like that the navy was the smallest it had been in decades and

00:10:16.380 decades it became quite evident when we went to the persian gulf in the north arabian sea

00:10:21.540 that president reagan eventually came in with a 600 ship navy that was a big issue in the campaign

00:10:27.980 of 1980 that if you're going to have free navigation you have to have a navy that can

00:10:32.620 actually do it and a navy of 600 ships is not cheap it also talks about a total reorientation

00:10:41.500 of your strategy away from the big army perspective the big army

00:10:46.540 idea of the wars in the middle east these never-ending conflicts so the secretary navy just

00:10:54.540 fired. And we get a pretty detailed description of kind of what the issues are when you look at

00:11:04.520 what we need to do to wrap this thing up and to come home. And it's got a little bit of complexity

00:11:11.960 to it, but at its heart, it's pretty straightforward. Number one, we do need the NATO allies to step up

00:11:19.660 with naval forces, obviously.

00:11:21.700 And Pete, I think, is right to mock them.

00:11:23.640 They're thinking about, thinking about.

00:11:26.300 But the Royal Navy, which we took over from,

00:11:30.260 really to be the global navy of free navigation,

00:11:36.020 had one destroyer, and this whole thing

00:11:37.720 has sent one destroyer to Cyprus,

00:11:39.700 which broke down en route

00:11:41.060 and had to go into the yards in Cyprus for a fix.

00:11:46.880 Pete is missing right there,

00:11:48.320 and the general's missing right there when you talk about pirates and oh gosh where do we hear

00:11:52.860 that uh three four weeks ago right here in war room they're pirates it's brigands it's whatever

00:12:02.040 you want to call them asymmetric forces in current military jargon and lingo because in the in the

00:12:09.400 presentations what's not actually clear is yes we have a blockade we determine who goes in and out

00:12:15.280 And quite frankly, the the idea that they're leaving the airports and if they're leaving the airports full of oil that are heading to China, that is not a good thing.

00:12:30.960 The way we use this blockade, the blockade is a forcing function on economic warfare.

00:12:37.120 We're not out there just to say, oh, that's an Iranian ship coming from an Iranian port.

00:12:41.560 It's a forcing function. 0.97

00:12:42.880 It is a device, a tool for economic warfare.

00:12:48.760 And if you're going to use it for economic warfare, you have to understand who the enemy is. 0.78

00:12:53.840 The central enemy in all this is the Chinese Communist Party. 0.72

00:12:58.040 Now, they have proxies.

00:12:59.620 Proxies are the Revolutionary Guard.

00:13:03.680 We now know, as we've said here forever, they're really in charge.

00:13:07.380 New York Times, huge story today.

00:13:08.620 Financial Times, huge story today.

00:13:10.860 We talked about it last night on the show.

00:13:12.720 how they've got this really—the general that was in charge of doing the terrorist attack in Argentina,

00:13:19.520 what, 10 years or so ago, longer than that maybe,

00:13:22.960 to take down the synagogue in the Jewish center and kill tons of men, women, and children

00:13:29.760 is now in charge, and one of the guys at least in charge of some element. 0.90

00:13:34.080 But we have to have amazingly clear focus here.

00:13:37.060 exactly what are the pieces we have to do to get to an endgame that is suitable for the United

00:13:43.340 States of America and the citizens of the United States of America. Number one is not simply the

00:13:49.000 allies in Europe, the quote-unquote allies in the Gulf Emirate, because I would be telling MBZ

00:13:55.780 and the Saudis and Qatar, get your young princelings ready. Let's get them out on the

00:14:02.060 obstacle course because there's going to come a time in the not too distant future where uh we

00:14:08.200 are going to go like we had to do with the Barbary pirates because the mentality of these people is

00:14:15.100 kind of a pirate gangster mentality we're going to have to go and uh and dig them out as we've said 0.98

00:14:21.860 and the tip of the spirit digging them out ought to be Arabs not American kids from Iowa or Kansas 1.00

00:14:29.600 or New York City or Chicago or L.A. or South Texas.

00:14:34.720 We had the Abbey Gate discussion today.

00:14:37.960 All those kids from South Texas in the rear of Grand Valley, 1.00

00:14:42.320 Hispanic American kids, no. 0.99

00:14:44.480 Where are the Arabs? 1.00

00:14:46.640 We're going to get into all this. 0.98

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00:16:19.680 B-A-N-N-O-N, to 989898 and do it today. Morning. Unlike the endless wars of the past

00:16:29.120 that dragged on for years and for decades with little to show for it, operation without the

00:16:35.160 permission of the United States Navy. To the regime in Tehran, the blockade is tightening by

00:16:40.740 the hour. We are in control. Nothing in, nothing out. Iran's battered military, the IRGC specifically, 0.90

00:16:50.380 has been reduced to a gang of pirates with a flag. They cloak their aggression in slogans,

00:16:57.880 but the world now sees them for what they are, criminals on the high seas. They don't control

00:17:04.200 anything. They're acting like pirates, acting like terrorists. They're the ones who lay

00:17:10.940 indiscriminate minds, who shoot at random ships, who killed 45,000 of their own people,

00:17:20.320 innocent protesters in the course of weeks, their own people. They are the bad actors. 0.83

00:17:28.000 Okay, let's not get all worked up today. Let's not get JD on the plane, on the tarmac with the

00:17:33.540 engine's ready to go about, you know, a group is going, they've fired one guy, they've got a

00:17:38.840 hard-aligned guy, he's going to Islamabad, and they're going to go talk to the totally corrupt 0.92

00:17:43.280 Pakistanis who are in the pocket of the Chinese Communist Party, except for maybe the field 0.90

00:17:48.020 marshal, who's got a relationship with the president. But Pakistan is the biggest recipient

00:17:53.980 of One Belt, One Road. That is the British East India Company model, predatory capitalism, 0.98

00:17:59.260 where you do elite capture, load them up with dead, 0.98

00:18:02.580 and then squeeze them as the Chinese Communist Party 0.91

00:18:05.160 is doing throughout South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa 0.60

00:18:09.120 and try to do all the way to the gates of Vienna,

00:18:13.460 of which many Europeans, including a lot of Italians

00:18:16.200 in the Italian political system,

00:18:18.900 were welcoming them with open arms.

00:18:23.180 So let's not get everybody on a tizzy.

00:18:26.280 There's going to be a peace thing.

00:18:27.440 this because they can't deliver a peace deal. They don't want to deliver a peace deal. They

00:18:30.660 think they're winning. One of the reasons they think they're winning is they've got a collection

00:18:35.780 of brigands and pirates down the coast that don't really report to them. They report to themselves

00:18:41.380 that are making bank. They got a couple of motor whale boats. They're dropping some mines. They

00:18:47.220 got AK-47s. They're going to board a couple of ships, but they've stopped. We've blocked

00:18:53.520 everything coming out, but we're still letting the Arab ports go, and you've got to put the Arabs on 1.00

00:18:58.660 notice. As bad as the Europeans are, the Arabs need this more. They need to step up. I hope MBZ 0.96

00:19:04.680 and these guys are taking their special forces, which they put so much cash into, and let's see

00:19:10.100 them fight. They talk a lot, and they hang out in London a lot, and they do a lot of crypto, but can

00:19:16.580 they fight? If they can't fight, you've got to say, hey guys, you know, our kids are on these battle

00:19:22.660 groups, strike groups out there in the Gulf of Oman. Now we got three, these kids from Louisiana

00:19:28.400 and Oklahoma and Montana and downtown Chicago, Baltimore, Maryland, they want to go home

00:19:36.540 and they should go home. So bowling, what is, here's the thing. It sounds like in the presentation

00:19:44.520 today, we got a block a hundred percent of what we allow in and out, but they also have a block

00:19:50.580 and traffic is dramatically down because either insurance or captains

00:19:55.320 will just say, I don't want to be boarded because they walk through,

00:19:57.540 hey, they've fired upon five, they've captured three.

00:20:02.120 What are we doing there on the Hormuz side with the pirates, sir?

00:20:06.500 Amazing that pirates came up in the briefing room today

00:20:10.140 with Secretary of War Pete.

00:20:13.240 I remember three or four weeks ago, Steve Bannon mentioning pirates,

00:20:17.140 and no one had ever said that before.

00:20:19.000 You know, if I weren't a skeptic, I would almost say they're either watching the war

00:20:23.500 room or someone's telling them because you've been saying it for a very long time.

00:20:27.760 Now, let me just tell you, if I may, oil was 98 and change this morning early.

00:20:35.060 It precipitously dropped $3 a barrel, $3.50 a barrel to $95.

00:20:39.180 I called up some of the biggest traders in the world, ConocoPhillips, et cetera, Lucas

00:20:45.280 oil and and they said there's some chatter out there and this I've never

00:20:49.180 really heard this before that some oil some Iranian oil is getting out there

00:20:53.440 now the chatter is it's up to a million barrels a day now Steve they literally

00:20:59.320 produce a million two to a million five a day maximum so it seems like it may be

00:21:04.720 a little bit overblown as far as the number but what's happening is and

00:21:07.960 they've done this before the Iranians are very smart they have a place called 0.97

00:21:11.560 Fujairah, it's the biggest oil farm in the world, and these are those big round

00:21:17.260 cylinders filled with oil, the biggest, bigger than Cushing, Oklahoma. And so

00:21:22.120 they have Fujairah, which stores a ton of their oil, probably completely full

00:21:26.320 right now, and they have Jask Island, it's where the end of their

00:21:30.680 pipeline hits the water line. And so what they're doing is, and it's just

00:21:35.800 outside the Strait of Hormuz, it's just to the outside. So if the Strait of Hormuz

00:21:40.440 the mouth goes into Saudi Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Oman, UAE.

00:21:47.420 It's the outside, almost near Pakistan, between the border between Iran and Pakistan.

00:21:53.700 So this pipeline ends there, plus there are big terminals there, and they're going dark

00:21:58.800 on vessels.

00:21:59.800 They're loading 2 million barrel vessels.

00:22:01.720 They're turning off their radars.

00:22:03.240 They're putting no flags on them.

00:22:05.460 And they're transferring the oil in the sea, outside in the Gulf of Oman, into other ships

00:22:12.680 where they blend it, transfer it, like I said, and then they re-flag it with another country's

00:22:17.520 flag, and off it goes.

00:22:19.100 And they believe, the smart people, the actual physical traders, believe that this has been

00:22:24.420 going on, it's going on, and they're creeping out some oil.

00:22:27.260 Now, the vast majority of the traffic is down.

00:22:29.460 But that's that's what I think, Pete. I think Pete said this. Now, this the the blockade is global.

00:22:36.580 I think that's the reason I don't know if those facts, I'm sure they're trying to sneak out because, look, they're all they're all pirates. 0.96

00:22:43.120 They're all you know, these are all dirtbags, obviously.

00:22:47.620 And look, they're doing it for their country or at least their element of their country. 0.94

00:22:51.220 So from their perspective, they're sitting there going, hey, we're the bad guys.

00:22:54.320 But this is why I think Pete said the thing's gone global.

00:22:56.760 They're catching guys now in the Indian Ocean.

00:23:00.500 They're going to block the Straits of Malacca.

00:23:03.140 This is kind of the Navy's now alerted to these ghost ships that wherever you are, we're going to seize you or pull you over to the side.

00:23:13.260 And if you don't do it, you don't do it.

00:23:14.940 We're going to put a couple of hot ones, take the 5-inch 54s on the forward gun mount like they did the other day

00:23:22.780 and put a couple through the engine room in the back or steerage in the back so you can't steer the ship.

00:23:28.860 I think they understand that's happening, right?

00:23:32.060 Yeah, and not only that, as you pointed out, we've been talking about that whole area,

00:23:37.760 that whole shipping area right along there, Pakistan on one side, but Oman into Somalia.

00:23:44.940 is is rife with piracy so it's almost like thieves uh transferring um trading among thieves

00:23:52.960 they're able to transverse those areas because they're all they're all pirates they're all in 0.66

00:23:57.080 the same okay listen as long as there's a dollar to be made if you're persian don't don't take this 0.70

00:24:01.880 the wrong way the guys on our side on the emirani side the house of sod total pirates uae pirates

00:24:08.900 the guys in Dubai. These are all bad guys. They're all financing the Muslim Brotherhood over here.

00:24:15.120 They're all financing care. We don't have any allies over there. I think the most important 1.00

00:24:19.040 thing was said today is, look, pox on all your houses. We'll clean up what we got to clean up.

00:24:23.500 But the Arabs got to step in up here to keep it free. And the Europeans. 1.00

00:24:28.320 It's there. The Arabs are the ones. This is how they keep their cash. They ain't coming to the 1.00

00:24:33.540 United States to help give me a credit swap line so I can get some dollars. UAE, you know, 0.97

00:24:37.820 they're going to invest a trillion dollars here they need they need a credit swap line to keep

00:24:42.660 you know dollars is what they're telling us who knows what it's really going to be structured like

00:24:47.280 but you know they they're got they got their hand out immediately just a question how many actual

00:24:53.440 vessels because when i look at the real time it doesn't look like a big increase on vessels a

00:24:59.740 tremendous increase in vessels coming out of hormuz that they're allowing out i understand

00:25:05.300 what we're blocking, and we're blocking everybody from Iranian port, but are there a number of

00:25:09.420 vessels every day coming back, and what percentage to get to full capacity of what it was before

00:25:16.200 on oil shipments out of Hormuz from airports? Eric Bolling, do you have any sense of that?

00:25:23.600 Yeah, the sense is that at least 80% of the traffic through the strait itself is gone. It's

00:25:30.120 not non-existent right now it's what's being allowed by now we've now we've identified okay

00:25:36.540 now we've identified the problem that's the problem we got to solve for that's the problem

00:25:41.040 and if that's being held up by this group in the cliffs of uh of uh persia on that on that side of

00:25:50.500 the uh of the strait or her moves in the persian gulf then somebody's got to solve for that part

00:25:55.440 the equation. There are many ways you can solve for it. We certainly wouldn't want to have American

00:26:00.640 direct involvement. That's why I would be talking to the Arabs right now. They spent hundreds of 1.00

00:26:06.260 millions, billions of dollars on these great militaries they've got. Let's see if they can

00:26:10.480 fight. Seriously, let's see if they can fight. Let's see all this big talk. If the Arab, if the

00:26:16.480 Saudis can fight, if UAE can fight, if Qatar can fight, let's see if they can fight. We're going 0.95

00:26:24.880 to depend upon now because the the solution is going to come that we got to send special forces

00:26:29.380 you got to have the you know the 82nd airborne's got a brigade over there you got the marines i

00:26:33.680 got that but that should be plan b c or d we got these allies first of the the europeans aren't

00:26:41.440 sending any ships none and the ones they send to the eastern med all break down they never really

00:26:47.120 helped us in the red sea we talked about this i ranted about this last summer back in in june and

00:26:52.780 july before president trump took out the uh totally obliterated the uh nuclear program i 0.64

00:26:58.720 think on the 22nd of june but the red sea was jammed up by the houthis who right now the only 0.55

00:27:03.560 reason they're not in the war is somebody's writing them a check this is who you're dealing 0.95

00:27:07.720 with this is why i don't want to i hope we don't get all excited people are skipping around and

00:27:12.540 all the thing let's get it on the tarmac and line up the thing and we're coughing jared

00:27:16.400 on the plane because this is another they're they're jerking people around we don't even know

00:27:21.640 who's in charge we think it's a bad general now maybe maybe not what does he control can he deliver

00:27:27.480 and what are they talking about if they still got these 10 points that they want reparation

00:27:33.140 there's nothing to talk about it's time to focus on what we need to do to wrap it up 0.50

00:27:38.480 and come on home and wrap it up if if the straighter her moves and this group of pirates

00:27:44.580 right there if that's if that's the equation you have to solve for just let's pick an equation

00:27:48.720 let's pick let's pick in the in the physics very quickly i know you got to go but very quickly

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00:29:43.340 OK, breaking news. U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Judge Jeanine Pirro, now it's the Department of Justice, would drop its criminal inquiry into Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell, ending a months-long saga that threatened the confirmation of Kevin Walshby, Chair.

00:29:59.520 Pirro wrote on X, directed by my office to close our investigation, et cetera, et cetera. She would not hesitate to restart criminal investigation. The facts won't do so.

00:30:10.500 So Powell's going to need a little more than that,

00:30:14.080 but that's a massive start that's going to change a huge problem

00:30:18.640 for Scott Best and the team over Treasury.

00:30:21.160 More about that this evening.

00:30:25.300 Eric Boling, you agree that part of the equation has to be for us to come home

00:30:30.900 and I hear the nuclear stuff and, you know, God bless them. 0.93

00:30:33.780 We totally obliterated once.

00:30:35.180 He's got some, I don't know what he got up there.

00:30:38.020 We totally took out the nuclear program.

00:30:40.500 but you got to get the world's oral markets back on some sort of stasis to do that. 0.99

00:30:48.440 You got to figure out someone who removes the Europeans who benefit from this 0.79

00:30:53.760 aren't prepared to do it, can't do it because they don't have the navies to do it. 1.00

00:30:58.300 The Arabs are going to sit there like they always sit there 1.00

00:31:00.760 and let us do their dirty work as we've been doing in the Middle East 1.00

00:31:04.080 for decade after decade after decade. 1.00

00:31:06.780 And I guarantee you, you put them up there and said, your kid's got to go over there and take those cliffs and get those Persians. 1.00

00:31:13.620 All of a sudden, you'll have some real negotiations. 1.00

00:31:16.680 So what do you got?

00:31:17.800 Is the Hormuz, is it down 80 percent?

00:31:20.880 Is there a site you're looking at that backs that up?

00:31:23.340 Yeah, there are several.

00:31:25.020 Reuters has a live straight Hormuz map, which shows you how many vessels.

00:31:31.380 Mind you, 120 to 150 per day is normal in and out, both directions.

00:31:36.780 There are some sites that are saying 8 to 12 per day right now.

00:31:40.380 And there was one site that pinpoints,

00:31:42.560 but I'm not sure it's extremely accurate.

00:31:44.440 But I will tell you, across all the sites,

00:31:46.740 if you aggregate them, even if you average them,

00:31:50.320 you're about 10 to 12 shifts a day.

00:31:52.660 That's 90%.

00:31:54.240 So I said I was being generous with 80%.

00:31:56.440 So you're right.

00:31:57.940 But again, Steve, I think the blockade is so important

00:32:01.440 that we continue it.

00:32:02.340 Yes, oil will remain high.

00:32:05.160 But that secondary effect of not only sticking it to Iran on their economy, we're seeing a severe slowdown in Chinese demand.

00:32:13.660 Their economy is slowing down.

00:32:16.940 It's Chinese demand for oil and Chinese product demand as well.

00:32:20.560 So you slow them down.

00:32:22.360 And remember, AI battle is Trump wants to win that.

00:32:27.540 I think it's important for America to win that.

00:32:29.540 China thinks they're going to win this war, AI war.

00:32:31.920 the harder it is for them to get oil

00:32:34.080 the longer it is that they're starving

00:32:35.680 even before you get to oil I've got a simple

00:32:38.200 way to shut down

00:32:39.920 100% no chips

00:32:42.420 whatsoever no chips

00:32:44.200 whatsoever to the Chinese Communist Party

00:32:46.120 no 350,000 kids here

00:32:48.180 in universities nobody at these corporate

00:32:50.200 no Chinese nationals at the corporations

00:32:52.040 nobody at the labs nobody

00:32:54.080 shut the whole ecosystem down no money

00:32:55.980 no equity no debt boom

00:32:57.680 we do that it won't matter how much energy

00:33:00.240 they get, how much oil they get

00:33:02.520 in the Middle East. If we're going to get serious about

00:33:04.540 AI, let's get serious about AI. I agree

00:33:06.580 with you. They can't lead it. Shut

00:33:08.700 them down. But Silicon Valley

00:33:10.720 is playing everybody for a fool right now. 0.99

00:33:13.280 Eric, 0.99

00:33:13.980 what would be your advice right now to Pete Hexeth

00:33:16.740 before I let you bounce?

00:33:18.440 Stay and get tougher. And I'd also 0.95

00:33:20.860 sink some pirate ships. 0.86

00:33:23.060 Just sink them the way we're doing with the 1.00

00:33:24.600 Venezuelan drug boats coming 0.62

00:33:26.760 over. I'm not a big fan of it,

00:33:28.760 But if you're willing to do it with the drug boats, do the same with the pirates.

00:33:32.220 I'm telling you, that whole coast, as you point out a long time ago.

00:33:35.640 I think that – but the president's – hang on. 0.98

00:33:37.660 But the president gave a shoot to kill. 0.98

00:33:39.260 That was – yesterday, he's given shoot to kill on the motor rail boats.

00:33:43.380 But in the – I'm not sure it's – so right now we're locking down the – if you look at a map, we're locking down the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz.

00:33:51.880 This activity, Fajira and JASC, the pipeline and the big storage facilities on shore, at the shore,

00:34:00.360 these vessels are being loaded several hundred miles away from that.

00:34:04.000 That's a big area, Steve, to patrol, as you know, especially if they're turning off their radar.

00:34:08.000 So find a couple, make examples out of them, sink them, and maybe you slow it down.

00:34:14.580 Eric, what can we look forward to on your 4 o'clock show today?

00:34:18.720 Same as usual.

00:34:20.120 Just bring in a lot of politics.

00:34:22.660 You said politics is a blood sport, Steve,

00:34:24.680 so I got to hit that gym every day to stay in training, so to speak.

00:34:28.860 We'd love to do a handoff with you, as always.

00:34:31.820 Just keep it on Rav, folks.

00:34:33.500 Morning to night.

00:34:35.400 Thank you, brother.

00:34:36.200 See you at four.

00:34:37.660 Yes, sir.

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00:34:48.140 Politics is a blood sport. What a great transition. Marcel Sturbridge running for secretary of state of Ohio.

00:34:54.620 You gave a speech last night. The Republican establishment is not happy with you.

00:34:58.580 Why is that? So why did why does the Republican establishment not want you to be secretary of state of Ohio?

00:35:05.680 Well, their status quo and they don't want to be challenged on the issue.

00:35:08.720 Thank you for having me again on, Steve. I'm not supposed to be in this race for secretary of state.

00:35:13.040 I've been fighting for the last two, three years, the past reelection integrity in Ohio.

00:35:16.500 People think Ohio's a red state and that we're good to go.

00:35:19.660 But the reality is we're still susceptible to voter registration fraud and third-party

00:35:23.800 groups and mail-in ballots without photo ID.

00:35:26.820 And this is a bellwether state.

00:35:28.300 And so secretary of state positions have never been more important.

00:35:31.440 We have a perfect storm brewing here in Ohio.

00:35:33.900 There's a property tax revolt going on that's being led with a citizen-led ballot referendum.

00:35:38.560 People are rejecting data centers.

00:35:40.140 We're the third highest in the entire country.

00:35:42.200 We've built over 200.

00:35:43.740 Rural communities don't even understand the full impact.

00:35:46.700 So the legislature's been behind the power curve.

00:35:49.040 And then, of course, in the last six months, we've seen widespread government benefits fraud because we have the second largest Somali population in the country. 0.52

00:35:55.620 And none of these electeds that are just revolving door career or psychopoliticians have been addressing these issues, not to mention have not moved other than tiptoed when it comes to election integrity.

00:36:08.280 And so with 10 days left in early voting underway in a low voter turnout, we have a real opportunity to put somebody who's backing the president's one day, one vote, same day in person, valid excuse, mail-in ballot and paper ballots over electronic vote casting machines.

00:36:25.020 And I think it's going to transform the entire country if we win this election coming up May 5th, 2026.

00:36:31.840 Marcel I want you to briefly talk about your your background in this area as a as a in the United

00:36:40.120 States Air Force intelligence but why but that's what President Trump wants that's what the MAGA

00:36:45.860 base wants that's what the grassroots wants this is what we've been fighting for why would the

00:36:50.980 Republican establishment what you just laid out didn't seem like a radical plan why are they not

00:36:56.540 embracing you and say, this is the guy, he's got the background, he's tough, he's a warrior,

00:37:02.880 this is the guy we want in there. Why are they fighting you? This is one of the most,

00:37:07.020 the nastiest races in the country right now, because they're trying to stop you from winning.

00:37:12.840 Why is that? It's inertia. It's this idea that it's their turn, they're entitled to it,

00:37:18.800 and they don't want to leave the scene. But people want to have people who deliver results.

00:37:23.080 I've been privileged to serve this country since 9-11. We served in the longest war. We have the most resilience because of that 9-11 veterans like me. I've been on the front end of tactical operational strategic missions. I worked at the very highest levels of the Pentagon with emerging and disruptive technologies. I'm built to do this job. It's a complex job. And you have to be able to not just run elections. You've got to be able to address issues with business registration and fraud.

00:37:48.900 And I think Ohio needs a task force like the one that's been developed by the vice president at the national level. And we need to have the auditor, the attorney general and every secretary of state in every state cross coordinating to identify, detect, just like we did on the battlefield with intelligence, the type of government benefits fraud.

00:38:05.960 And so these are real ideas that are drawing people to our candidacy and why we're in a small lead here going into the final days.

00:38:13.360 But if we can get the posse out, we will be able to set a new pace, a new tone.

00:38:18.120 And the old Republican Party of Ohio, just like when President Trump won, just like when Senator Bernie Moreno won.

00:38:23.960 And at the time, Senator Vance, they will all follow in line with the doers and the action officers.

00:38:31.480 Marcel, where do people go?

00:38:32.880 One more time, social media and your website.

00:38:34.860 People want to find out more about you, and they want to find out about this race. 0.94

00:38:37.720 So where do they go? 0.90

00:38:39.140 They can go to my website at Sturbridge4Ohio, S-T-R-B-I-C-H, spelled out F-O-R, Ohio.com.

00:38:45.860 We've raised over $800,000 from thousands of patriots in Ohio and the country.

00:38:49.900 We're in the final stretch, and we need every patriot across to help us get across the finish line

00:38:54.820 because we're up against a well-funded establishment.

00:38:57.680 But once we overcome this, we'll pass this revolving door, do nothing, career politicians,

00:39:03.280 and put them in the private sector.

00:39:04.740 I also just want to appeal to every mom, every grandma.

00:39:07.160 This is about our kids, okay?

00:39:09.180 Every single vote has to count, and when our votes are diluted by foreign nationals or because we have a broken law or process and we're not enforcing it, when it comes to eligibility verification, which I can fix, that's going to affect your kids. 0.71

00:39:21.840 So we don't want them to go through a constitutional crisis like we did in the last few years. 0.57

00:39:25.880 So I would be honored to receive your vote here in Ohio, May 5, 2026, for today.

00:39:30.980 Thank you, Sarah.

00:39:31.720 We're going to follow this one closely.

00:39:33.000 I'm sure the war room is going to get quite engaged. Thank you, sir.

00:39:36.340 Thank you, Steve. Great being with you.

00:39:38.220 Matt Kittle, people are furious about this situation in Virginia,

00:39:42.000 and obviously we're pursuing it and working behind the scenes to make sure the grassroots got some backing there.

00:39:47.040 But on The Federalist, Sean Davis, this magnificent site called The Federalist,

00:39:51.620 the lead story this morning was yours. We're putting it up right now.

00:39:55.380 Walk me through the situation in the Commonwealth,

00:39:59.980 Because I reposted your article in its entirety and said there's no substitute for victory.

00:40:06.220 Matt Kittle, your thoughts.

00:40:08.860 Well, thank you, first and foremost, for that.

00:40:11.600 But what we have on the ground in Virginia, a lot of frustrated Republicans who said, you know, the state party, the local officials were doing what they could to get the vote out.

00:40:26.520 They just didn't get the kind of support that they needed to put this thing over the top from national Republicans.

00:40:34.980 That's a huge concern and something I hope the party learns moving forward.

00:40:43.360 Matt, it was so obvious.

00:40:46.640 I mean, the grassroots, the grassroots got fired up.

00:40:51.520 They took it upon themselves.

00:40:52.700 They've got a new leader, Jeff Reier, who's a grassroots guy, because after Yunkin led this thing to an absolute debacle collapse in November, there was really nobody that really wanted it.

00:41:04.320 So it fell back on the grassroots. These people were amazing, incredible.

00:41:09.300 How did both the the the the Trump team and the National Republicans not see what you needed was was support ground support to support their the thing that always works for us, which is low propensity, lower information voters who support President Trump.

00:41:28.480 This was not a complicated situation, was it? Or was it so complicated they just they did the analysis and got it wrong?

00:41:36.260 Or was there some other reason they didn't come in and support the hardest core of the Trump supporters who went door to door, sir?

00:41:44.220 I think it's all of the above. I think the ballot measure language itself was extremely complicated by design by the Democrats.

00:41:53.880 You know, they have this flowery language that they use to talk about the fairness of

00:41:59.320 elections.

00:41:59.900 Obviously, the Democrats don't give a wit about the fairness of elections unless it's 0.91

00:42:04.760 fair to them.

00:42:06.680 And so that needed to be battled from the very beginning, not just in the court system.

00:42:11.980 And that's a good place to back up.

00:42:14.860 But when you're dealing with a campaign, you need all hands on deck.

00:42:18.900 And ultimately, that's what I'm hearing on the ground.

00:42:21.700 All hands were not on deck, and that's a big problem.

00:42:27.480 Can you hang on for a second, Matt?

00:42:29.800 I'm going to hold you through the break.

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00:43:11.180 You have to understand all that. This is just not about local politics. It's inextricably linked with global capital markets and geopolitics.

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00:45:14.620 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:45:18.900 At 11 o'clock, we're going to mix it up here on a Friday in April.

00:45:22.280 Arthur Herman's going to be in the house, is going to join me for the entire hour at 11.

00:45:26.780 You don't want to miss this.

00:45:27.640 One of the great, I would say, conservative historians, the author of How the Scots Invented the Modern World,

00:45:34.840 which is a blockbuster book from a couple of decades back, but still resonates today.

00:45:39.540 A book on Freedom's Forge, which we actually took Tucker and had Tucker do an interview with the president

00:45:45.360 basically at Freedom's Forge in Detroit back in the first term.

00:45:49.600 It was about the industrial power of the United States, how it helped,

00:45:52.680 really is one of the driving forces to win World War II.

00:45:55.100 His new book, Founders Fire, about the 250th commemoration of our country's founding,

00:46:04.000 takes it all the way up to the age of Trump.

00:46:05.980 You do not want to miss this.

00:46:07.700 That's at 11.

00:46:08.600 Aaron Joyce, also from the Commonwealth of Virginia,

00:46:12.140 is going to join us at 5 o'clock today.

00:46:14.500 Caroline Wren will be with us for a while.

00:46:16.280 Captain Fennell will talk about the pirate situation in Hormuz.

00:46:19.100 So a lot at 5, 11 o'clock.

00:46:21.620 We're going to do the full hour with Arthur Herman.

00:46:26.400 Kittle, your article is getting a lot of reading

00:46:31.320 because you're saying, hey, look,

00:46:32.360 It was a magnificent attempt by the grassroots with no support, and they came very close.

00:46:36.940 But very close doesn't matter here because we're in a fight for our political life

00:46:41.200 and really saving our country.

00:46:44.080 Why did the RNC, why did Las Vidas and the president's team, why did Johnson,

00:46:50.620 why did they get this wrong?

00:46:52.420 This was quite simple.

00:46:53.540 You back the grassroots, and you can win here just like, hey, happened in 24,

00:46:58.620 happened in 16, really happened in 20.

00:47:01.600 It's the same formula all the time with the Trump movement, sir.

00:47:06.440 Well, they say all the time that it's very difficult when Trump is not on the ballot.

00:47:10.680 We hear that from these folks over and over again.

00:47:14.280 But Trump is on the ballot.

00:47:16.000 His agenda is on the ballot.

00:47:18.400 His viability is on the ballot.

00:47:21.400 Because if Democrats take over the House, it's going to be impeachment theater for the next two years, and everything's going to shut down.

00:47:27.320 And so this critically important reform, government and the deep state and all the things you talk about on a regular basis, needs to be a priority.

00:47:37.380 They're going to have to find a way to get the message out to those important low-propensity voters you talk about.

00:47:43.480 They're going to have to get the message out that Trump is on the ballot, and they have not done that successfully.

00:47:48.620 Amen. They were afraid of that.

00:47:50.080 Matt, where do people go, social media, you're putting up your writings, where do they go to get this Federalist piece?

00:47:55.440 You're 100 percent correct. I've got rent on tonight because, folks, not only am I proud about them finally addressing the pirate situation, finally, but the lead story in Axios today, wait for it, is about the Democrats already getting very sophisticated with law firms and everything else for the impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:48:15.560 Now, they're just going to announce the impeachment and get it rolling on day three when they take over.

00:48:20.720 And it's not going to happen for 18 months after primary season.

00:48:23.400 But every day is going to be Fort Apache.

00:48:26.600 That's what we got to look forward to.

00:48:28.320 But this thing could be turned around.

00:48:30.440 I don't want to hear any black pill.

00:48:32.420 I understand things aren't perfect.

00:48:34.100 I got that part.

00:48:35.620 I also know how you can win.

00:48:37.540 You know why?

00:48:38.040 because there's a base of people out there

00:48:40.260 with the cussedness and the toughness

00:48:42.940 and the stick-to-itiveness

00:48:45.760 and the good old-fashioned American grit.

00:48:49.340 It's called the Trump movement.

00:48:50.920 It's called the grassroots, the MAGA movement,

00:48:52.840 the war room posse.

00:48:54.380 Call it what you will, it can deliver victories.

00:48:57.120 I saw it deliver victories in Texas

00:48:58.780 and we could have delivered victory here.

00:49:01.700 But the people with the money

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Bannon's War Room - April 24, 2026

Episode 5324： What Needs To Happen In Iran To Wrap Up The War And Open The Strait

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