Bannon's War Room - Episode 5539： MAGA Nationwide Protest Over Data Centers

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.720 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.900 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.220 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.560 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.520 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:27.920 Mega Media.

00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.860 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:00:52.000 It's Thursday, 23 July, Year of the Lord, 2026.

00:00:55.040 I want to honor to have on our guest, Amy Kramer, from Humans First, the chairman.

00:01:03.400 Amy, I remember this morning we talked about Obamacare in regards to Rahm Emanuel went to Obama before.

00:01:16.540 And you remember these huge fights and these big protests.

00:01:19.260 You were one of the leaders of the Tea Party meeting.

00:01:20.900 We would have – a lot of the audience does, but some of the younger element doesn't remember.

00:01:25.720 Back in 2009 and 2010, these massive – I mean turning out a million people in Washington, D.C.

00:01:32.460 or the Tea Party movement at the beginning, really in the folks that came to fight Obamacare.

00:01:37.120 Michelle Bachman, it was just – it was an amazing time.

00:01:40.280 Jenny Beth Martin, Amy Crane, others.

00:01:42.860 The energy was incredible.

00:01:43.940 But what Obama said to Emmanuel, he says, I don't care.

00:01:50.700 He says, you're missing the point because Rahm Emanuel, the practical guy, goes in and says, hey, look, let me be blunt.

00:01:55.080 If we go down this path, we're going to lose the House and the Senate.

00:01:57.800 He says, look outside.

00:01:58.720 They're bringing 500,000, a million people to these rallies.

00:02:02.180 That just doesn't happen in America.

00:02:04.220 And Obama said, I don't care.

00:02:06.340 And when he lost the Tea Party, I didn't get a chance to mention this morning.

00:02:09.740 In 2010, it was off a smaller base.

00:02:12.900 I think the Republicans only had around 150 seats and the realignment redistricting happened.

00:02:16.700 But I believe we won 62 seats in that midterm election. The Tea Party movement won 62 seats with people like the Ted Cruz's of the world, the Marco Rubio's of the world.

00:02:28.720 Christy, it was people that heretofore hadn't really been in elective politics, driven by basically the Tea Party movement, Amy Kramer and a handful of others.

00:02:37.980 I was there. I was actually kind of the filmmaker, Andrew Breitbart. I was his partner at the time. I'd just gotten involved at Breitbart News. We were really an independent documentary filmmaker, and I made documentaries just to go out and to drive this movement, but it was absolutely amazing.

00:02:52.640 But the thing that impressed me the most is after after Obama gets blown out every time in these midterm elections, he come right back from the White House the next day.

00:03:03.200 He says, I got a pen and a phone. I don't care. I'm a do the executive orders because he knew the stakes he was fighting for.

00:03:09.640 As much as you dislike Obama, he got the joke that he was making permanent changes for his political philosophy.

00:03:16.940 And he was willing to take the hits for that and to fight back.

00:03:19.940 um now and this is why i think it's so amazing that you're involved this over at humans first

00:03:26.080 through the chairman i keep telling people this has been more behind the scenes that has been out

00:03:30.900 in the public but there is a fight on capitol hill like i've never seen before if you think

00:03:36.860 the save america act and all these one of the reasons they're dismissing this they're spending

00:03:40.620 all their time on other things that they know are so important and this is legislative i gotta

00:03:46.340 to ask you, though, some of the details that have come out in the scientific technology

00:03:53.040 and business media over the last couple of weeks reinforces what you've been fighting

00:03:58.220 for, what we've been fighting for, the Joe Allens of the world, that, hey, this technology

00:04:02.660 is so dangerous, potentially dangerous, you need to have a rational thing.

00:04:08.360 Talk to me your thoughts about this containment break the other day out of AI that led to

00:04:15.480 basically an attack by a system they thought they had contained, and they were just working on it.

00:04:22.940 It actually broke out to get what the machine thought was being asked for solutions and went

00:04:28.420 and started attacking, went online and then started attacking other machines, other AI entities

00:04:35.540 with a level of sophistication that blew away the people that actually built the first one.

00:04:41.180 Your thoughts, ma'am?

00:04:41.920 so i think this is probably the most important fight i've ever been in my life i think this is

00:04:48.540 the issue of our lifetime steve and i think that what happened with this open ai internal model

00:04:54.680 breaking out of what they call the sandbox where it's not connected to the internet any other

00:04:59.060 computers that sort of thing it breaks out it goes and attacks an american business um and we find out

00:05:05.320 about it a week later. And this is what we've all been warning about. This is exactly what we sent

00:05:12.800 the letter to the president about in May or a couple of months ago of this year, asking him

00:05:18.740 to execute an executive order requiring that these frontier AI models have mandatory

00:05:26.840 pre-deployment testing and approval before they're released and that the national security

00:05:31.880 agencies be involved. I think this is a national security crisis. It was only a couple months ago

00:05:37.600 that I was on here with you discussing that Scott Bessent, our Treasury Secretary, convened all the

00:05:46.320 big executives from the banks behind closed doors, and they withheld Mythos from being released

00:05:52.460 because of the fact that it could take down our financial system. Right now, what happened with

00:05:59.780 OpenAI breaking out and breaking into Hugging Face. That's the name of the company it broke into.

00:06:04.720 I mean, you're talking about an AI model that could potentially attack our grid, could attack

00:06:11.260 the FAA, our transportation system, our emergency 911 systems, the financial system. This is a

00:06:18.620 crisis. This is absolutely a crisis. Congress has their head in the sand and refused to pretty much

00:06:25.100 do anything. I want the president and the White House to act on this and require that mandatory

00:06:31.420 testing before release to the public. After 9-11, and I'm a flight attendant who was flying on 9-11

00:06:38.180 and actually got stuck outside of the country for a week. And my family didn't know where I was

00:06:42.840 that day if I was dead or alive. But after 9-11, the federal government acted. They absolutely

00:06:49.500 acted, and they did what needed to be done. With Wuhan and COVID, they didn't act. And look at the

00:06:55.860 results of that. We now have a warning shot, and it is incumbent upon them, Steve, to act. The number

00:07:02.900 one responsibility of the federal government is to protect the American people. And I want to say

00:07:08.000 something. I want to tell everybody that in 2015, Sam Altman, who is the OpenAI founder, said in

00:07:16.380 2015, and I quote, I think that AI will probably lead to the end of the world, end quote. Steve,

00:07:26.220 here we are, and who's going to do something about it? Give me that quote. I want to hit

00:07:32.180 that quote again, because now they're all running from their early day quotes, right? Well, give us,

00:07:35.780 and Altman was open AI where this came out of. Just take your time and walk back through that

00:07:40.940 quote. I think that AI will probably lead to the end of the world. That was his quote in 2015.

00:07:50.840 Quote, I think that AI will probably lead to the end of the world, end quote. And here we are 11

00:07:58.460 years later, and look what's happened. Something like happened, breaking out of containment could

00:08:03.740 lead to it. I want to go back to this, before we get into the legislative thing, the executive

00:08:07.580 action. You were instrumental. You, Joe Allen, a handful of others were instrumental in making

00:08:13.840 sure that the White House, elements of the White House on this executive order, this framework

00:08:20.600 that they put out, because that is a result of Sachs and these guys time and time and time again,

00:08:28.040 trying to slide into must-pass piece of legislation like the NDAA or like the big,

00:08:33.440 beautiful bill, aspects that would really have no regulatory apparatus whatsoever, and just leave

00:08:40.060 it to the frontier labs and the CEOs to do whatever they want, and never notify anybody.

00:08:45.560 And you saw what happened the other day with this breakout from containment. Now, given a lot of

00:08:51.000 efforts, and even President Trump saying, hey, look, I think we need some guidelines, we've got

00:08:55.000 a rudimentary framework. And that framework begins a process. And that's why I say Scott

00:09:00.640 Scott Besson's involved, Treasury's involved, the intelligence agencies are finally involved, but it was voluntary instead of being mandatory.

00:09:09.260 It was a heads up like a week before they were going to deploy it instead of a couple of months.

00:09:13.880 Do you believe that?

00:09:15.960 And now they're back trying to get some legislation, but just that framework alone, can that be buttress?

00:09:21.720 Can that be buttress just from help from the White House?

00:09:24.180 because the White House has cleared out some of the guys that were the most adamant about no

00:09:28.960 controls, no control. Tell people about that. There's been essentially at least somewhat of

00:09:35.100 a sea change inside the White House and the people advising President Trump from kind of this

00:09:40.420 libertarian, you know, just let the oligarchs run wild and, you know, because we've got to win this

00:09:47.000 race to something that even President Trump saying, hey, look, we need to have at least a

00:09:51.440 framework or some guidelines on this, but it's still voluntary. It's not mandatory. Do you think

00:09:57.360 what happened the other day now raises this alarm that it's got to be mandatory? I think it

00:10:03.340 absolutely does. And I want to be clear here. I have supported the president before he ever came

00:10:08.280 down that golden escalator. I am grateful for what he's done, but he needs to go farther.

00:10:14.380 But Steve, honestly, at the end of the day, the president is not the lawmaker here. It is incumbent

00:10:20.380 on Congress to govern, and they refuse to act on this stuff. So right now, all we have is what the

00:10:27.220 president can do. And so I do think it's incumbent on him to demand regulatory or to demand pre-approval

00:10:36.940 and mandatory testing before release. I think that it is incumbent on him. And I will say that

00:10:44.720 You know, there is a bill, H.R. 9477, by Representative Nathan Moran out of Texas that he put forward June 25th, I believe.

00:10:58.200 And this is exactly about the reporting of something like this happening.

00:11:03.100 So if people want to know what they could do, I would say call your representative, ask them to co-sponsor that legislation, H.R. 9477 by Nathan Moran, and encourage them to get this passed.

00:11:17.920 Because at the end of the day, Steve, look, the president can leave office and hopefully Republicans maintain control of both the House and the Senate, the White House, but we don't know what the next president will do.

00:11:29.400 And so they could get rid of that executive order. We've seen that with President Obama, then President Trump comes in and Biden and so on and so forth. The American people cannot live this way with this uncertainty. We need this codified into law. And that is incumbent upon Congress to do that.

00:11:45.840 I will say this. You are absolutely right about the regulatory, the regulations on these things.

00:11:52.620 There are more regulations on a hot dog that you would buy from a street that are New York City than there are on these big AI companies.

00:11:59.360 And even though a lot of these people have left the White House, when President Trump signed that executive order on June 2nd, we thought he was going to go farther than he did.

00:12:09.080 And allegedly what happened was David Sachs picked up the phone and called the president.

00:12:13.460 David Sachs is the one that stopped it, and so they backed off of the mandatory pre-deployment

00:12:18.760 testing. David Sachs tweeted earlier this week, I believe it was on Sunday, that they need

00:12:24.240 quote-unquote permissionless innovation. Steve, I'm sorry, but that is a bunch of BS.

00:12:30.520 All they care about is the zeros in their bank account. This is on the backs of the American

00:12:35.800 people. It's about our safety and security, and I don't care how many zeros they have in their

00:12:40.600 bank account. I want to live my life and my family and everybody else. I want them to know

00:12:45.240 that we're going to be safe and we're not going to have some rogue AI system going and causing

00:12:49.920 Skynet. And that is really what we're looking at right now. And it is very serious. And I think

00:12:55.320 the president needs to act on this. And the big tech companies are not going to like it. But you

00:13:00.680 know what? The American people are demanding answers. Amy, real quickly, right before we go

00:13:07.300 to break. You're going to stick around with us. You brought up something I want to make sure people

00:13:11.400 understand. As bad as this containment issue was, it happened a week. Now, they say they notified

00:13:17.940 the White House right away, but it happened a week before the general population knew about it,

00:13:22.460 even the guys in the tech reporting. Is that true? This thing happened a week. They supposedly

00:13:27.840 notified the White House immediately because it was a national security issue. That was, I guess,

00:13:32.880 put to bed. There was enough there to kind of calm people down or enough corrective action,

00:13:36.440 But it didn't come out to the American people. And this is what Moran, one of the things Moran wants to do is saying, hey, the American people need to know if these are national security issues, you need to notify the American people immediately.

00:13:49.180 Yes, I think that that is what needs to be done. Steve, if you think from my understanding, the biotech industry and the financial industry, they require regulation and they govern before release.

00:14:02.280 Why are we letting these guys get away with this?

00:14:04.980 The airline industry, if there's an incident on an airliner, we are required to report it.

00:14:09.800 Hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, all of the industry that OSHA regulates.

00:14:14.560 Why are we giving these guys a free pass?

00:14:16.760 Why?

00:14:17.340 Why?

00:14:17.900 This is the thing.

00:14:19.620 This technology is the most powerful technology in all of human history.

00:14:24.180 And it can wipe us off this planet.

00:14:26.580 But this is the thing.

00:14:27.480 It was built on American data with American energy, American land, American resources, and many times American taxpayer dollars.

00:14:35.440 And the American people have no seat at the table and have no voice in how this affects our lives or how it's going to be used in the future.

00:14:43.160 Amy, just hang on for one second.

00:14:45.360 We're going to get drilled down on this.

00:14:46.840 A lot happening.

00:14:47.440 The data centers, there's massive legislation up on Capitol Hill.

00:14:51.260 And then the whole threat of this, particularly with the oligarchs in charge.

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00:16:20.780 So Amy Kramer, chairman of Humans First, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement.

00:16:30.840 You're a grassroots expert.

00:16:32.520 You've been a grassroots expert for 20, 30 years.

00:16:35.840 Is the grassroots in back of this, are you seeing an upswell of people, particularly people in the Trump movement, saying, hey, look, we've got to get our hands around this thing?

00:16:45.480 It's quite dangerous.

00:16:46.700 We see national security issues, but we also see issues related to our children.

00:16:51.020 We see issues related to our jobs, to our progeny, all of it.

00:16:56.040 Is it the same intensity as when you were one of the founders of the Tea Party movement?

00:17:02.600 Yes, Steve.

00:17:03.220 It's really amazing what's going on out there across the country, and the people are paying attention, honestly, more than I realized.

00:17:09.840 We did a national day of protests last Saturday, data center protests across the country.

00:17:15.180 We had 42 states, 142 protests across the country.

00:17:21.060 And what was shocking to me are the signs that at these data center protests that are not about the grid and their rising utility costs or their water or their land, that sort of thing, but about AI and how AI is, you know, impacting our lives in so many ways.

00:17:37.520 And the American people have not had a voice in this or a say in it.

00:17:41.400 And so I think, you know, what's happening across this country is with this technology, it is being shoved down our throats.

00:17:49.360 Big tech has been given a pass. It's being shoved down our throats and impacting our lives in so many ways.

00:17:55.600 Children are dying, taking their own lives because of manipulation by chatbots.

00:17:59.940 It's been used in terroristic activity, whether it's, you know, the shooting at Florida State University last April, the shooting up in British Columbia earlier this year where eight people died.

00:18:10.560 We just saw the reports two weeks ago about Boko Haram using AI chatbots to plan terroristic activity abroad.

00:18:19.760 So it's being used in ways that nobody anticipated.

00:18:23.640 And it's like Washington doesn't want to govern on it.

00:18:27.420 And the people are upset about it.

00:18:29.620 And now, you know, the big tech, big AI is coming in.

00:18:34.360 The data centers are the backbone of the infrastructure of AI.

00:18:38.020 You cannot have AI without these AI hyperscale data centers.

00:18:43.040 And so what they're doing is they're going across the country and they're buying up all this land and building these or attempting to build all of these hyperscale data centers in these communities.

00:18:53.500 And again, the community has no say.

00:18:56.060 And half the time they find out about it, it's already halfway through the process and they can't stop it.

00:19:01.700 Big tech has blanketed Washington, D.C. with money.

00:19:04.820 They built a moat around the White House.

00:19:07.060 But now they've taken it down to the state level and to even the local level in these counties and cities.

00:19:15.420 And it's just not right what's happening.

00:19:18.200 The American people should have a say in how this technology is used, how it impacts our lives.

00:19:22.840 And we absolutely should have a say in if a data center is going to be built in our communities.

00:19:28.880 And I didn't even mention the billions, and I said billions with a B, of tax abatements that these companies are getting.

00:19:36.640 And Steve, these are the richest companies in the world.

00:19:40.520 They have more money than God.

00:19:42.480 And yet they're sucking off of the taxpayer tea, whether it's the corporate welfare that

00:19:48.040 they're getting through the tax abatements, whether it's coming in and tapping into our

00:19:51.980 water supply, the electric electrical grid, you know, buying the land, they are, this

00:19:58.160 is all on the backs of the American people.

00:20:00.380 And all we hear from this big tech sales pitch, that's what it is, because I'm sure that the

00:20:05.960 posse has heard this, but China, but China, but we have to beat China. Well, let me tell you

00:20:10.300 something, Steve, this is the reality. If we have to beat China, then why are we still selling our

00:20:16.400 chips to China? Why have we loosened our export controls to China? Why is a large number of the

00:20:21.660 people working in the labs in Silicon Valley, Chinese nationals? And why did we find out last

00:20:27.760 week that OpenAI and Google are selling their frontier models to Chinese subsidiaries that

00:20:34.820 have been blacklisted by the pentagon not to mention all of the money that's coming off the 0.96

00:20:40.100 backs of the american taxpayer what is happening is they are sucking off the teat of the american

00:20:45.140 people and they're going to china and it's all about the almighty dollar and we should not have

00:20:50.460 this hung around our neck and so people are standing up and they're fighting back i i want

00:20:55.540 to make sure because i want to get the grassroots temperature here um as much as i'm a proto luddite

00:21:02.220 this is not about stopping technological progress no uh they're painting the grassroots movement

00:21:09.860 as uh first of all they're saying well you're actually either paid for by and or uh unconsciously

00:21:18.200 working to the benefit of the chinese communist party number one number two that you're trying

00:21:21.900 to stop something that's inevitable and i think people particularly the hard-working

00:21:27.060 backbone of our populist nationalist grassroots movement understands there has to be technological

00:21:33.080 progress. This is about unfettered, having the oligarchs determine what they're going to do,

00:21:39.320 where they're going to do it, how they're going to do it. And the lie about China is the one I

00:21:43.100 think there's not a bigger anti-CCP platform than ourselves. I'm still the only civilian

00:21:49.340 in the history of this country that has been permanently banned by China and mandated by

00:21:55.660 all kind of economic sanctions against me by the Chinese Communist Party, which I wear as a badge 0.89

00:22:01.360 of honor because of my anti-CCP stance. I just want you to go back one more time and put in and

00:22:07.160 just talk about this is a false, it's a false alternative at the CCP. We are, the oligarchs

00:22:13.960 themselves are selling chips. We now know yesterday was reported that all these NVIDIA chips turned

00:22:19.380 up in breaking the very minimum we had on restrictions that they end up in there.

00:22:27.060 We have, what, 600,000 or 400,000 Chinese students here at our top engineering schools.

00:22:32.760 They're not over here studying medieval poetry.

00:22:35.640 And then we've got in all the labs, you have Chinese nationals. 1.00

00:22:38.100 Just go through the litany that shows a lie. 0.91

00:22:40.660 We're anti-CCP.

00:22:42.020 We want it all shut down. 1.00

00:22:43.380 Then China wouldn't even be on the playing field. 0.98

00:22:45.620 We've created the entire ecosystem.

00:22:48.020 Amy Kramer.

00:22:49.380 You're right, Steve. And I do want to say for the posse out there, I am not anti-tech. I am not anti-AI. AI is here. It has done good things. I believe there are good things to come from it in the future. But there have to be regulations and safety mechanisms around it, too, so it doesn't wipe humanity off the planet.

00:23:06.780 But as far as China goes, and I will say, they have accused me of being a paid Chinese operative.

00:23:14.140 I'm doing this for the Chinese.

00:23:15.840 Steve, I have never sold out ever in my life.

00:23:19.040 And if I was going to sell out, why wouldn't I have sold out to big tech where I could be in the trenches with my colleagues that I've worked with for years that have been bought off?

00:23:28.340 I'm not ever going to sell out.

00:23:29.940 I am America first through and through.

00:23:32.080 And America can win this innovation war.

00:23:34.660 What they want us to do is they want to forego safety in the name of innovation.

00:23:40.580 And this is the thing.

00:23:41.580 They're not mutually exclusive.

00:23:43.060 We can have both innovation and safety.

00:23:45.400 But their line of attack is this. 0.99

00:23:47.280 Their line of attack is that we have been bought off by the Chinese. 0.83

00:23:51.260 And the reality is we are still selling the chips to the Chinese.

00:23:55.300 We have loosened our export controls to the Chinese.

00:23:59.340 A large number of Chinese nationals are working in the labs in Silicon Valley.

00:24:03.640 And then we find out last week that OpenAI and Google are selling their frontier AI systems to Chinese subsidiaries that have been blacklisted by the Pentagon.

00:24:14.220 And, Steve, I want to add one more thing.

00:24:16.300 They keep saying that China wants this data center opposition movement shut down.

00:24:21.340 Let me tell you something.

00:24:22.640 If China wanted to shut down the data center opposition movement, they could.

00:24:26.780 You know why?

00:24:27.420 Why? Because 30% of the parts in the data centers come from China. 70% of the lithium batteries

00:24:36.920 in these data centers come from China. You know what gives the Chinese leverage is when you're 0.60

00:24:43.160 racing to build out as fast as you can, and you don't have an American supply chain that originates 0.79

00:24:49.200 here in our country. That's what gives the Chinese leverage. So all this stuff about China is a bunch 0.92

00:24:54.880 a BS. And I would encourage the posse to go do their own investigating and they will find out

00:25:00.240 this information. Yeah. I tell you what, let's play. There's a response today, earlier today

00:25:05.660 from the White House about this very topic. I want to play it. It'll take us right up virtually

00:25:08.960 to break. I'm going to bring you back right after the break to respond to it. Let's go to the White

00:25:13.240 House briefing room earlier this morning. Friday, the Section 122, the 10% global tariff,

00:25:20.120 goes away. Is the president going to ask Congress for an extension or what's next?

00:25:23.620 Well, I know the USTR, our great Jameson Greer, trade representative, will be having an announcement on that very soon, later today.

00:25:32.820 I don't want to get ahead of him, so I would just tell you to stay tuned for more details.

00:25:36.100 Okay, and then one more on the president's going to have some big utility companies at this event later on today.

00:25:43.300 We're now a year and a half, so speaking to his energy, pro-energy policies.

00:25:48.580 Is he going to pressure those executives to lower energy prices, not just maintain the prices?

00:25:53.620 As I mentioned earlier, the ratepayer protection pledge is a novel idea drawn up by this president and his team to ensure that data centers and communities where those communities want data centers, that these big CEOs and energy companies are picking up the tab for the energy costs in these communities so the American taxpayer not being fronted with those bills.

00:26:13.900 And the pledge today is being expanded to acknowledge all elements involved in building an operating data center, the governors who appoint the state regulators, who set the power prices, the utilities and the co-ops that sell the power, and in addition to the tech companies that have already signed the pledge.

00:26:30.160 So you'll continue to hear more about that from the president in a few hours at 2.30 when he goes over to the EPA.

00:26:37.900 Amy, talk to me about the data centers and the electric bills, ma'am.

00:26:42.000 Steve, in Georgia, our utility prices have increased six times over a two-year period.

00:26:49.780 It was Republican-controlled public service commission, and two of those Republicans lost their seats last November.

00:26:57.060 The American people are tired of this.

00:26:59.000 We are seeing the utility increases across the board, across the country.

00:27:05.440 And I will say this, I love the president, but wasn't it during his first term where he made this big deal with Apple and Foxconn and they were going to build this big facility in Wisconsin and manufacture the iPhones there and then the president leaves office and it never comes to fruition.

00:27:23.640 This ratepayer protection pledge, I'm afraid the same thing is going to happen because at the end of the day, how can you enforce it?

00:27:30.840 Again, the president's not a lawmaker. We need to codify these things. But Steve, this is another piece of this on the utility front, whether it's on the electric grid or whether it's on the water. These data center companies are going in and they're lying to the American people. They're lying about the amount of energy that's going to be used. They're lying about the water that's going to be used.

00:27:51.720 If I hear one more time that a data center does not use as much water as a

00:27:57.040 golf course, I'm going to lose my mind. Number one, it depends on the size.

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00:31:44.160 Amy Kramer, continue on, because I am going to shift to the legislative fight

00:31:47.580 you're having on Capitol Hill, but I've got to finish this data science.

00:31:50.380 First off, was this successful?

00:31:52.160 You've put on enough Tea Party rallies around the country.

00:31:54.940 Was the 18th, Saturday the 18th, was that a success in your mind?

00:31:59.580 Absolutely, it was a success.

00:32:02.020 Not only did we get a lot of national press, but these local groups got a lot of national press or a lot of press locally.

00:32:09.320 And it grew people.

00:32:10.720 The people found out about it and they came to their events.

00:32:14.460 It was a huge success.

00:32:15.700 And this is what I'll say, Steve.

00:32:16.920 I'm not ready to announce what's yet, but that was just the first step and we're just getting started.

00:32:21.920 So we are going to continue this because I believe and my team believes and things have been written about it, that it's not only the data center fights in their communities, that's where it's local, but it's also the people's concern about the technology, AI technology and how it's impacting our lives and how it's being used.

00:32:40.680 And so it's multiple things and we're just getting started.

00:32:43.280 Talk to me about this fight on Capitol Hill, what's really going on behind the scenes, because you've got Blackburn, it's got this bill out there, and it's got some really great things about children.

00:32:53.440 But if we don't really start talking about the regulatory apparatus and control, that's all going to be for naught. 0.97

00:32:58.700 I know Ted Cruz and others up there that are working for the broligarchs are trying to drive this legislation. 0.93

00:33:05.920 So we're back to we're back to the states can't do anything about it. 0.93

00:33:09.440 The citizens can't do anything about it. And we're at the tender mercies of, I don't know, Google, OpenAI, Elon Musk, Anthropic, the whole crowd of these really.

00:33:19.480 And all of them are progressive, hardcore progressives. Don't let it. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Go ahead, ma'am.

00:33:25.340 And they've never been our friends. Just remember that a lot of these are the CEOs of these social media companies that abandoned censored conservatives for the past six to 10 years. There is a fight on Capitol Hill. I personally do not think that there is an appetite to get anything through between now and the end of this Congress. They go on recess.

00:33:47.300 they're actually the house leaves today they won't be back till september i can't remember

00:33:51.960 when the senate goes out i know they're here tomorrow i believe but um but steve this is the

00:33:56.900 thing senator blackburn has been a champion josh holly's been a champion senator jim banks has been

00:34:02.680 a champion we have no champions in the house we need some champions in the house that will lead

00:34:07.600 on this um senator blackburn is trying to get her legislation through to protect children she has

00:34:13.760 been really focused on this, and she's been a rock star. But from what I'm hearing, if it goes

00:34:19.880 into Senate Commerce, which Ted Cruz is the chair of Senate Commerce, I've been told that it's going

00:34:28.240 to include preemption. And that's a no-go for everybody. Listen, we believe that we do need

00:34:35.320 an overarching policy. We do believe that we need a federal policy, a package, you know, to protect

00:34:41.040 the American people, to protect our children, our land, our national security, all those things.

00:34:45.940 But at the end of the day, Congress has not acted. And so then it's incumbent upon the states to act.

00:34:50.760 And we saw earlier this year where the White House staffers in the White House, I should say

00:34:55.780 staffers, unelected staffers in the White House, putting their boots on the necks of these states

00:35:01.900 and their most direct representation there in their states, at their state houses. And we're

00:35:08.000 not going to let that happen again we are going to be behind these state legislatures that is one

00:35:12.740 of the things that we are working on at humans first come january we're going to help them get

00:35:16.900 legislation pushed through at the state level and we cannot afford preemption right now because when

00:35:22.000 the federal government is not acting it's incumbent upon the states to protect the citizens of their

00:35:26.660 states and their states and so we're behind them just just just get just get on this term i want

00:35:31.880 to make sure everybody understands this piece of nomenclature what does preemption mean because we

00:35:36.120 talked about a lot in months ago when we were fighting, they were slipping in these two and

00:35:41.620 three page, essentially, executive orders that would be codified into statute that would have

00:35:49.220 basically given the oligarchs everything they wanted. We stopped that. What is preemption and

00:35:54.340 why is it such a big deal? And why did the oligarchs hate it? Preemption would mean that

00:35:59.600 the states cannot enact their own laws regarding big tech and AI. And the reason the oligarchs 0.90

00:36:07.580 hate it, these unelected oligarchs hate it is because it gives them free reign to do whatever

00:36:12.880 they want. There's no accountability. And so they've gotten that so far from the administration

00:36:18.360 pretty much and from Congress because they have not governed on it. And so now you have the states

00:36:24.800 wanting to act on it and they don't want to be held accountable at the state level, whether it's

00:36:29.580 reporting incidents or whether it's paying, you know, in lawsuits where they're being sued by,

00:36:35.560 you know, families of victims that, you know, children that have died and whatnot,

00:36:40.380 they don't want to deal with any of this. And their answer is, we don't want to have to deal

00:36:44.340 with 50 state laws. We would rather deal with, you know, one law, but, oh, while we're, you know,

00:36:50.300 while we're focused on the federal level, let's go engage in these races and spend, you know,

00:36:55.820 hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in these races so we can be sure to elect people

00:37:01.020 that are sympathetic to our cause. So they've blanketed this town with money. They've blanketed

00:37:05.180 the races with money because they want no laws. They want no regulations. And now they're going 0.70

00:37:10.620 after the states on it. And we're just not going to let it happen, Steve. We're not going to allow

00:37:15.640 it to happen. You do agree, though, that if we had 50 different states, it would make it very

00:37:21.060 difficult to get anything accomplished absolutely the way to get around that is to have and look

00:37:27.180 we're the deconstruction of the administrative state people we don't want over regulation but

00:37:31.600 this is what i keep saying it's like the atomic energy commission at the beginning of the atomic

00:37:35.800 and the hydrogen bomb you know just watch the movie oppenheimer if you if you don't have time

00:37:40.640 to read and study it you can see you needed some sort of at least a minimum framework there for

00:37:46.340 national security. Here's the same type of thing. We're not asking for overkill. We're asking for

00:37:51.920 a modicum of regulation. The reason this thing has gotten to be a firefight, they just come in

00:37:56.120 totally dismissive and they're backhanded and sneaky how they did it. In 2025, what they did

00:38:02.240 to try to slip this in that or codified everything was absolutely one of the worst things I've seen

00:38:06.980 in Washington, DC. And I've seen a lot of bad stuff. And I know you have too. And they were

00:38:10.960 brazen about it. If it was not for a couple of heroes, and one was the House Armed Services

00:38:16.520 Committee chair who said, look, I got enough problems with the NDAA. I'm not having these

00:38:20.440 guys come in here and try to use this as a thing that Tech probably says, it's out. And he's a

00:38:25.780 cardinal. When he says it's out, it's out. Go ahead. But they tried it twice. They tried it

00:38:30.980 with a 10-year moratorium and then the preemption, right? I mean, they are relentless. They will not

00:38:36.760 give up. And we can't compete with their money. But this is why the grassroots are so important,

00:38:41.300 because they cannot buy the American people. And that is who is with us, the American people.

00:38:47.020 And my hope and faith is not in the American government or even in the state government.

00:38:52.040 My hope and faith is in the American people. And I have seen it with my own eyes that when

00:38:57.940 the American people want something, when they stand up and put their mind to something,

00:39:01.680 whether they want something or they want to stop something, they can do it. And that's why

00:39:05.740 I am focused on organizing and bringing a grassroots movement together to demand accountability here, because that's the only way it's going to get done.

00:39:13.880 We will never compete with our money.

00:39:16.000 Amy, give people this insight based on when we go back to the schedule.

00:39:19.640 You're saying now this is the first good news I've heard that, of course, every day we don't regulate gives them another freedom.

00:39:25.580 You don't think there's going to be any major legislation passed on this in this up until Election Day?

00:39:32.460 And then because I want to talk about the lame duck separately up until Election Day, you think it's overcome by events?

00:39:38.160 I think there's just no appetite for it. You don't even see these guys.

00:39:42.200 I know of one member of Congress that has said he will not talk about AI on the campaign trail and he's trying to get through the election cycle and not have to talk about it.

00:39:50.780 And that's the sentiment of a lot of these people. They don't want to talk about it.

00:39:54.260 They don't want to govern on it. And look, it is a complicated issue.

00:39:57.740 And conservatives, I mean, it's antithetical to who I am, Steve.

00:40:01.600 I've never advocated for more regulations or more government in my life.

00:40:06.180 It's antithetical to who I am as a conservative.

00:40:08.680 And so conservatives don't really have an answer.

00:40:11.080 But there are ways that we can do this and we can do it the right way.

00:40:15.100 And conservatives have advocated for regulations on other things in the past.

00:40:19.560 And so we need to get it right.

00:40:20.960 But you have to stand up and you have to talk about it.

00:40:23.880 And we need some champions in the House.

00:40:25.660 We need some champions in the House to lead on this.

00:40:27.780 But right now, there's no appetite for it.

00:40:29.580 There's not an appetite for it.

00:40:31.040 And I don't believe that there is time for it.

00:40:34.960 Talk to me real quickly about Senator Blackburn's bill, about the focus on the children.

00:40:40.760 What are the pros of that?

00:40:43.100 Well, so Senator Blackburn has worked tirelessly.

00:40:46.360 She's been an advocate for us in the digital realm for a long time.

00:40:49.400 And so she's working on protecting these children and giving the parents rights to push back and to have a say in what their children have access to online and whatnot.

00:41:01.040 She met with the president earlier this week, and I believe Senator Ted Cruz was in that meeting.

00:41:07.280 But the word coming out of there is that Senator Cruz says he doesn't think that it can pass the Senate.

00:41:15.940 So I don't know where we go from here.

00:41:18.540 I know I hate to lose her because she has been an advocate in the Senate, and I know she's running for governor.

00:41:25.240 And I believe that she will continue her fight on a state level.

00:41:28.540 But Senator Cruz himself has said that there I mean, this is the thing in order to get policy passed, legislation passed every you have to make everybody happy.

00:41:38.500 Right. And I know that people are not happy. And a couple of weeks ago, her legislation had some preemption in it.

00:41:45.480 And there's that's just a no go for too many of us. I mean, and so I don't know where this goes, but she has been a tireless advocate.

00:41:53.680 And we're going to lose her.

00:41:56.140 We're going to lose her.

00:41:56.840 She's going back to be the governor of Tennessee, correct?

00:42:00.060 Yeah, we're going to lose her. 0.97

00:42:00.780 She's one of the great advocates.

00:42:02.600 Okay, you've got to bounce, but I need you.

00:42:04.180 But wait, can I give a –

00:42:05.540 Yep, go ahead.

00:42:07.060 I want to give hope.

00:42:08.220 Ken Paxton is going to be the next senator from Texas, I believe,

00:42:11.880 and he has taken on big tech, and so hopefully he steps right in there

00:42:15.880 and picks up where she left off, and I think we'll be good to go.

00:42:19.560 And maybe he'll bring some courage and backbone from some others, too.

00:42:23.220 Well, Paxson, definitely. I want to immerse people in information. I want to go to your site, Humans First. Where do they go, Amy?

00:42:30.420 Humansfirst.com. You can find out everything about us there. You can also follow me on Twitter at Amy Kramer. It's K-R-E-M-E-R.

00:42:38.200 And I'm on Twitter and on Facebook, all the socials. And we'd love to have your support. We're going to be out here fighting. We're not giving up, Steve. 0.75

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00:42:49.680 Absolutely. I mean, this affects our sovereignty. It affects our national security. There are so many things. It touches our lives in so many ways. People don't even realize it. And we did not vote for this.

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00:45:05.100 Okay, Wade Miller joins us from CRA.

00:45:08.020 Wade, I thank you for, I know you've been up on Capitol Hill all day.

00:45:10.840 this reconciliation, the complexity, guys are leaving, what and how is going on? Just explain

00:45:16.780 to us what, I guess, the White House is trying to accomplish or the Senate is trying to accomplish.

00:45:21.660 Then we can figure out what the war and posse can help accomplish, sir.

00:45:25.800 Sure. And it is complicated. And I think people are still trying to wrap their minds around

00:45:29.320 what the right path forward is. But basically, the swamp is going to get their ag money in some

00:45:36.120 way, shape or form before the end of the year. They're going to get their war supplementals.

00:45:39.480 So I think that there's a real strategic calculation here of how do we understand that and try to extract a win here.

00:45:47.600 And, of course, the big prize here is the major components, not all, but the major components of the Save America Act.

00:45:54.360 We're talking about voter ID and proof of citizenship for voter registration.

00:45:59.580 Those, of course, be two huge things.

00:46:01.300 And I think, you know, I've talked to several House Freedom Caucus members.

00:46:04.740 They're looking at it and, you know, they want, of course, more cuts.

00:46:07.720 They're trying to calibrate for political reality and, you know, safe and secure elections matter.

00:46:15.060 And that has a value. And I think that they're trying to struggle with, are we going to vote for some of the spending in these bills in exchange for this?

00:46:22.460 And, you know, they're on the back end. There's talk about reconciliation 4.0.

00:46:26.120 And I certainly want to get to a reconciliation 4.0. But whether we do or not, I think in and of itself,

00:46:32.720 I think that this is one of those things we have to look at the moment we're in, the makeup of Congress.

00:46:37.560 And I think we've got to take these major provisions so that at the very least, you know, factoring at some point this year, they're going to have a vote on a major spending bill and they could just add these things in as writers.

00:46:49.080 So we might as well get major provisions of the Save America Act thrown in.

00:46:53.160 And I think that that's the political calculus here.

00:46:55.200 I think that's the strategy.

00:46:57.160 I agree with that, although, you know, I continue to listen to the arguments being made, the concerns.

00:47:01.740 You know, one concern is, are we actually going to get to Reconciliation 4.0?

00:47:05.020 We don't know. I certainly hope so.

00:47:06.840 And I think that there's a chance we can.

00:47:08.840 But then, you know, I'm seeing from John Thune all of these arguments.

00:47:12.000 You know, one argument is, is that, well, if we do this, there's going to be a voter-rama.

00:47:15.920 Well, there's always, there's a voter-rama on literally everything that the establishment and the swamp wants to do.

00:47:21.400 And they only raise this objection when there's something that we want to accomplish,

00:47:25.740 like getting major provisions of the Save America Act across the finish line,

00:47:29.200 which is a big part of, of course, the president's agenda.

00:47:31.740 And, you know, they're talking about, well, we're not even going to take it up now until we get the government funding bill done.

00:47:36.700 And, you know, what does that mean and how far are they going to push it?

00:47:39.960 And, you know, the deadline, of course, they want to get it done by September 30th and all these things.

00:47:45.900 But, you know, one option is why don't you just stay here?

00:47:49.980 Like you could have this deal done by Monday.

00:47:53.240 Just stay in town and get the reconciliation bill done.

00:47:55.700 I haven't actually done the math on all the hours, and it's roughly sometime next week they could have this done by.

00:48:01.740 And then we could have the fight on the government funding bill.

00:48:04.400 But, of course, you know, Senate leadership is throwing up all of these objections, procedural and otherwise, that just are absolute nonsense.

00:48:10.440 And it's just another example of Senate leadership putting the Senate first and not America first.

00:48:16.080 And this has got to break.

00:48:17.180 And I think that over the coming days, we're going to have continuing back and forth over how to best proceed forward.

00:48:25.000 But I do think, as much as I disagree with a lot of provisions in both of the other aspects of this reconciliation bill, I do think that you've got to take the win here.

00:48:34.540 You've got to get – they're just so crucial to the future of the country that I think it's worth whatever policy differences you have.

00:48:41.140 Not just that. It's crucial for this election. It's crucial for turnout.

00:48:44.220 They keep saying their argument is we want to protect our weakest members.

00:48:47.940 We don't want voteramas. We don't want this. We want to protect our weakest members.

00:48:51.400 They have such an enthusiasm gap.

00:48:53.660 They're going to get blown out because people are just not going to turn out.

00:48:56.220 They're not going to canvas and go door to door.

00:48:58.240 And money's not going to save you.

00:48:59.720 They think that this $300 million they've got and all the money they've raised for all the big donors is going to save them.

00:49:05.080 It's not going to happen.

00:49:06.020 That will not save them.

00:49:08.200 Go ahead.

00:49:09.120 They never flip the map.

00:49:10.440 They never say a voterama is actually an opportunity for us to strategically put the left on their heels and make them vote a whole bunch of things that they don't want to vote against.

00:49:19.200 It's always about protecting Susan Collins or moderate Republicans.

00:49:22.280 It's never about putting the left on their heels.

00:49:24.380 If we spent the next five days coming up with 100 amendments that we want Democrats to vote on to make them look terrible, this would be a win, easy win.

00:49:32.140 But the leadership just doesn't want to do it.

00:49:34.300 So they don't even want to have that conversation in the first place.

00:49:36.900 But literally every one of their excuses not to do this is total nonsense.

00:49:40.760 It's technically wrong.

00:49:42.960 It's procedurally incorrect.

00:49:44.920 There's answers to all of these things.

00:49:46.820 They just don't want to admit that.

00:49:48.020 Okay. We're going to get you back on and break all this down. Wade, where do people go to find out more about this? I wanted to immerse themselves in this information because this is the Senate basically treating President Trump as a lame duck, and they're the ones who are going to pay for it, sir.

00:50:02.440 Sure. We have a great primer on a lot of the key reforms we need in the Senate, you know, getting rid of the parliamentarian, doing recess appointments, getting rid of blue slips, the talking filibuster, the filibuster, you know, getting rid of the filibuster on at americarenewing.com.

00:50:19.440 That's americarenewing.com.

00:50:21.100 You can find our primer there on this.

00:50:23.040 And then we put out a lot of day-to-day analysis on the current fight.

00:50:27.740 And then, of course, my X handle, at Wade Miller.

00:50:30.900 That's at Wade Miller on X.

00:50:32.720 And I do a lot of the day-to-day pushback on a lot of the arguments you'll be seeing from leadership and others.

00:50:40.240 Your Twitter feed is amazing.

00:50:41.640 Thank you, sir.

00:50:42.140 Appreciate you, Wade, and the fight.

00:50:44.420 Thanks for having me on.

00:50:46.800 Depressing.

00:50:48.000 Got to face reality.

00:50:49.120 very depressing what's not depressing is trevor comstock trevor i want to finish on an upbeat

00:50:53.880 talk to me about can we so excited sacred human health brother yeah good to see you steve um so

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00:52:22.900 check that out. I want, where do they go? I want them to read the reviews on this product and all

00:52:27.440 your products. So this is pretty amazing. Where do people go? Yeah, there's a ton of reviews that

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00:52:44.180 Brother, great job.

00:52:45.720 Keep grinding.

00:52:46.440 Thank you.

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Episode 5539： MAGA Nationwide Protest Over Data Centers

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