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00:00:00.000 And a week after, he gave a primetime address talking about China when it comes to elections,

00:00:05.500 only to then basically say he wasn't going to do anything about it.

00:00:09.340 There are various, I think, mixed messages on China for sure.

00:00:14.820 U.S. and Iraqi officials are disputing reporting that Iran rejected a ceasefire proposal from Trump

00:00:20.780 conveyed to Tehran by Iraq's prime minister.

00:00:23.840 And Iran also called the report completely diversionary and misleading.

00:00:27.340 How are you reading all of that pushback?

00:00:30.000 I think that President Trump is incredibly frustrated that he is not getting a better

00:00:37.560 outcome out of the war with Iran. This is a president who has won two elections in part

00:00:44.820 on the commitment not to start any new wars. And he has now been maximally distracted by this war

00:00:50.300 of choice for nearly the last six months. And his popularity is taking a hit as a consequence.

00:00:56.180 the U.S. economy and the global economy is taking a hit. He would like an off ramp. He has talked a

00:01:02.700 lot about escalation. But in reality, what we've seen from Trump is a surprising amount of

00:01:07.200 restraint, even in terms of the decision to hit Iranian infrastructure. And yes, he did hit a

00:01:14.460 desalination plant. He did hit a couple of Iranian bridges after the 10th warning against Iran that

00:01:22.540 he was going to blow up their infrastructure the 10th. But what's more notable is how he has not

00:01:28.760 engaged in strikes against Pickaxe Mountain and the nuclear facilities, how he has not gone after

00:01:35.640 broader infrastructure, including energy infrastructure. He's not taking on any more

00:01:40.140 strikes at Iranian leadership, for example, decapitation strikes. He certainly knows where 0.95

00:01:45.400 a lot of those people are. He's not using ground troops that have been in position for months now,

00:01:51.840 nor is he taking the oil or Karg Island, as he's spoken on many times.

00:01:56.280 So, I mean, overwhelmingly, what the president has been showing the American people and the Iranian leadership

00:02:02.640 is that he is extremely reluctant to escalate this war.

00:02:08.020 And if you're Iran, if you're the mullahs or, more importantly, the IRGC, the military running that country,

00:02:15.260 You believe that you can continue to engage in strikes against ships and disrupt the Strait of Hormuz and that the Americans aren't going to do very much against you because they don't want the consequences of all that war.

00:02:29.440 Well, look, what I think is fascinating is that, firstly, there has been 13 nights of U.S. attacks on Iran and then the Iranian retaliation towards the Gulf states.

00:02:41.360 Now, last night, overnight, there was no fighting.

00:02:44.280 Yes, there was this incident in the waterway behind me where the U.S. blockade was in effect and there was an incident between U.S. Marines and an Iranian flagged vessel.

00:02:56.280 But in terms of the actual direct fighting, that's not taking place.

00:03:00.040 And I think there are three reasons for that.

00:03:02.600 One may be the fact that the U.S. has effectively run out of military sites in Iran to target.

00:03:08.020 And any other fighting would mean that they would be hitting potentially even civilian sites.

00:03:12.860 but effectively sites which would cause disruption and damage to people away from military bases.

00:03:19.720 The second could potentially be the fact that there is maybe a diplomatic off-ramp taking place behind the scenes.

00:03:27.240 To me, though, that seems very unlikely from the conversations that I've had with my sources who are linked with negotiations,

00:03:33.860 whether it's the Pakistanis, the Qataris or directly the Iranians.

00:03:37.940 It feels like right now it doesn't seem a moment to de-escalate and to get around the table.

00:03:43.920 And I think that the third could be, is this massive attack that the president is planning?

00:03:49.400 He mentioned this a few days ago.

00:03:51.800 And this break in the fighting that we saw last night could potentially mean that troops are getting their things together to plan this next phase of an attack, which could come in the coming days.

00:04:04.200 So there are three potential options. 0.54

00:04:05.720 I've got no idea which route the president would take or which route, in fact, the Iranians want to take.

00:04:12.520 What I will say, though, is that this waterway behind me, guys, is the real reason that we are in this situation right now.

00:04:19.520 It's been at the very central of this whole conflict for the last five months.

00:04:24.040 We know that as a result of the Iranians potentially blocking this waterway and effectively not allowing any vessels through or targeting vessels in recent days that do not follow their regulated routes.

00:04:37.800 We've seen that the levels of shipping has gone down for an all time low in two months.

00:04:42.800 We've seen the price of oil has gone up to $100 a barrel earlier this week as well. 0.90

00:04:48.680 And effectively, the Iranians are having good control over the global energy supply by controlling this waterway, but also the one in the Red Sea, too. 0.95

00:04:58.700 And now there are huge question marks on how we move forward from this situation that we've been in for quite some time now. 0.95

00:05:04.300 Clearly, I think he's flailing right now because he doesn't really have a good plan or a way ahead.

00:05:09.780 We've launched massive attacks repeatedly against Iran, and they've not capitulated. 0.99

00:05:14.920 They're not going to give up. 1.00

00:05:16.320 It pains me to say, this is an unwinnable war for the United States.

00:05:21.580 There's just no way that this regime in Iran, which is now controlled by the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps,

00:05:27.560 is going to relent and give up because they're determined to oppose a foreign force and intervention.

00:05:35.820 So, you know, I think he's threatening, just like he does in the domestic political scene.

00:05:39.800 He tries to threaten and intimidate. 1.00

00:05:41.600 It doesn't work with the Iranians, and it's not going to work.

00:05:43.860 You just said this is an unwinnable war. 0.98

00:05:46.320 That's a pretty bold statement. 0.71

00:05:48.320 That's what I certainly believe.

00:05:50.320 From the standpoint of getting the Iranians to surrender or to give up, there's no way that's going to happen.

00:05:56.060 There needs to be some type of negotiated way forward to open up the Strait of Hormuz,

00:06:00.820 which was opened before this conflict, to be able to get the Iranians on some type of path 0.70

00:06:05.580 so that there's not going to be a nuclear weapon.

00:06:08.540 And Trump keeps talking about the nuclear weapon.

00:06:11.580 That's sort of a red herring.

00:06:12.660 The Iranians never made a decision to actually fabricate a nuclear weapon. 0.89

00:06:17.740 Yes, they were doing things that gave them the capability in the future, but there was no decision to do that.

00:06:23.580 So on your question about boots on the ground, you know, when I think about other conflicts, we had over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan.

00:06:31.420 We had over 170,000 troops in Iraq.

00:06:34.560 We had over a half million U.S. troops in Vietnam.

00:06:37.680 None of those conflicts really turned out all that well. 0.94

00:06:40.380 If we were to put troops on the ground in Iran, it would be a bloodbath. 1.00

00:06:44.700 It really would.

00:06:45.760 It's a country of 94 million people.

00:06:48.320 What are we expecting to accomplish there?

00:06:50.440 You know, he's talking about taking over Karg Island. 0.72

00:06:52.540 That's within range, a missile range of the Iranian mainland.

00:06:57.100 So he doesn't have good options. 0.80

00:06:58.980 He keeps hoping that by trying to intimidate the Iranians, they're going to give up.

00:07:04.280 They're not going to.

00:07:05.840 There needs to be some way out of this that's going to be through negotiations.

00:07:09.380 But look at the correspondent last night. It's a very nasty, unserious, mentally unstable individual. 0.98

00:07:17.380 And this is the person that the Iranians are going to negotiate with. 1.00

00:07:20.540 No wonder why they're looking at us and saying, you know, keep coming at us. 0.95

00:07:24.920 We're not going to give up. And, you know, unfortunately, now more Iranian people are supportive of the regime than were before the conflict even started. 0.71

00:07:33.980 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on 0.73

00:07:45.100 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:07:51.700 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:07:55.460 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do

00:07:58.840 people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these

00:08:06.560 people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:08:13.520 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:08:22.000 it's saturday 25 july in the year of our lord uh 2026 of course uh this weekend the president is

00:08:35.360 looking at a range of options you have uh and we're going to break this down in the second hour

00:08:40.580 uh in more detail but um there is a the hill newspaper i think it's got a good piece

00:08:46.600 from administration sources and from the military, CENTCOM,

00:08:51.460 that there is an alternative, they're looking at an alternative

00:08:54.280 that calls for massive strikes.

00:08:57.440 And, of course, we are feeding assets into the region

00:09:00.640 if the president so wants to have massive strikes.

00:09:06.540 The key to that in this article is that you've got to take control,

00:09:11.260 in fact, the intelligence apparatus.

00:09:13.400 Remember what Brennan is saying now,

00:09:15.200 you know and all these guys are exactly opposite what the Mossad and the CIA collectively the

00:09:22.200 exquisite intelligence of the beginning of this war they were all pushing a decapitation strike 0.86

00:09:28.420 all of them were pushing a d pushing the president to a decapitation strike that um had the Iranian 0.79

00:09:35.220 people had the Persians in the streets overthrowing their government what we realize is one of the

00:09:40.580 powerful forces in the world is called nationalism I'm not a big fan of the

00:09:46.760 World Cup as you guys know but if you see in the World Cup you've got the

00:09:50.660 inklings of real nationalism their cultural nationalism what has happened

00:09:55.160 to the Persians since these strikes have happened is even many individuals that

00:09:59.240 hate the Islamic theocratic regime I think many of those practice other

00:10:04.580 religions including some of the maybe the ancient religions of ancient Persia

00:10:08.660 are now kind of bound together, more or less, in support of the regime,

00:10:14.460 or at least the Revolutionary Guard that does seem to me,

00:10:18.120 even though their command structure has been eviscerated

00:10:21.720 with younger commanders in charge, have even a stronger sense of nationalism.

00:10:29.200 Nationalism is a powerful, powerful force.

00:10:32.580 And maybe we ought to take the lessons from this.

00:10:34.820 If you look at the other alternative, there's the New York Post has an exclusive, and we're going to have Tasia up here, break it down a little bit later, of a quite massive ground exercise to go in and get all the nuclear material.

00:10:53.940 And the scope of that and the breadth of that is pretty breathtaking.

00:10:57.280 And what that would mean for, because I think one thing that people around the president are not advising him enough about is how each of these steps only increases the time you're going to be there.

00:11:11.260 You know, the correlation of time with action.

00:11:17.140 Because like the massive bombing campaign, I keep saying, hey, you're still in Germany, you're still in Japan, right?

00:11:25.280 We're still in South Korea

00:11:28.160 You start taking these things on

00:11:32.160 And you end up with long-term commitments

00:11:34.060 What we want to avoid is a 10 or 20 year commitment 0.99

00:11:37.800 In Persia 1.00

00:11:39.600 That would be the last thing 1.00

00:11:41.480 The Middle East is a sideshow to a sideshow 0.96

00:11:43.780 The Israel situation is a sideshow to the sideshow 1.00

00:11:47.480 And it's time that we got to extract ourselves 1.00

00:11:50.840 And every plan should be around extracting themselves

00:11:52.800 Also, they've got Leah Panetta and others talking about the Straits of Hormuz.

00:11:56.440 It's all down to the Straits of Hormuz.

00:11:59.400 And as you remember with Captain Fennell on the MOU, when the MOU came out and it had this thing about they're going to have discussions with,

00:12:09.400 they're bringing Oman into the situation to talk to the Persians and that the Iranians in Oman are going to work out, you know, some sort of, they had a subsection on that.

00:12:18.760 We said, what are we doing here?

00:12:19.880 Why are we bringing more guys in this conversation?

00:12:21.620 It's a free waterway with free navigation. 1.00

00:12:24.940 The Iranians shouldn't have, if you agree up front in your MOU at the very start in a ceasefire that they're going to have a role in saying something, guess what? 0.96

00:12:33.260 The pirates down there on the coast are going to use that as justification for the guys that can't control them for Tehran and say, hey, look, even the Americans are saying we've got to have discussions. 0.94

00:12:42.620 Then maybe we bring in Oman and let's discuss with them.

00:12:45.960 The pirates on that side. 0.78

00:12:47.360 So every step that we're taking has implications for how long we're going to be there

00:12:55.860 America first in American nationalism says hey

00:13:01.140 I look around and I see that we have an open Marxist jihadist revolt in this country that has seized control

00:13:08.500 Seized control of the major cities of this country

00:13:12.900 And people don't want to address that

00:13:16.060 That's the clear and present danger we have inside

00:13:19.980 The wire right now

00:13:22.960 And it's metastasizing every day

00:13:25.380 And getting more arrogant every day

00:13:27.060 How arrogant?

00:13:29.660 Regardless of whether you love Netanyahu

00:13:31.560 Or you despise Netanyahu

00:13:33.160 We can't have mayors of cities saying

00:13:36.640 Oh, I'm going to arrest this international leader

00:13:38.460 I'm going to arrest this international leader 0.78

00:13:39.940 You get Mondami and his arrogance

00:13:43.160 And he's saying, hey, look

00:13:44.320 People in my city 1.00

00:13:45.320 All these foreigners that are here that illegitimately, illegally voted for me, support this. 1.00

00:13:53.660 It's a third world position. 1.00

00:13:55.060 We support it. 0.72

00:13:56.700 Sorry if you don't like it.

00:14:00.900 We now have to focus on exactly what's going to move us forward and continue in victory.

00:14:08.640 You saw the meeting they had the other day about Congress.

00:14:11.180 By the way, the House is gone.

00:14:12.440 They're not coming back to Labor Day or after Labor Day.

00:14:15.120 Think about that for a second.

00:14:16.700 Everything we have on the table, everything we have to do about the Save America Act,

00:14:20.840 everything we have to do about the authorizations and debt and just having adult conversations

00:14:25.980 and maybe debates on these topics, like a debate on Section 219.

00:14:30.580 We have some experts on that.

00:14:32.480 That's where they got out of town.

00:14:34.040 They don't want to be around here.

00:14:35.520 They don't want to answer questions.

00:14:37.260 And trust me, check your calendar.

00:14:39.380 How many of them are gone back home and setting up a series of town halls in your community?

00:14:45.980 None.

00:14:47.460 They're in hiding.

00:14:49.340 In a moment of national crisis, they are in hiding.

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00:16:35.340 Okay, we're going to bring

00:16:40.080 Benzman on in a second and then we're going to get back around to the war

00:16:43.280 and make this so it all makes sense at the end. But one of the building

00:16:47.980 blocks I want to talk about is domestic policy here and particularly

00:16:51.560 what ties to international policy. What it means for actually

00:16:55.540 this concept, a wild concept, putting

00:16:59.600 men to work. Putting men to work

00:17:03.560 that can have jobs and careers and positions over time 0.59

00:17:08.040 that they can support a family. 0.93

00:17:10.760 And if their spouse wants to work, fine, go for it.

00:17:14.160 But that you can actually have jobs, careers, et cetera,

00:17:17.740 that on one salary, is that like quantum mechanics?

00:17:22.040 Are you telling me that's too hard to solve?

00:17:24.740 No, it's not too hard.

00:17:26.000 It's not a natural property of physics or the universe

00:17:32.220 that says that you have to have the mother and father both working all the time

00:17:38.040 and the kids raised by either this public daycare

00:17:42.800 or whatever the folks can put together for private daycare with their family or whatever.

00:17:47.260 It's not an immutable law of the universe, and that has, it's jammed down your throat. 0.56

00:17:53.640 Just like it's not a natural law of the universe that we would be in the Middle East now

00:17:59.920 for going on when Lieutenant J.G. Bannon

00:18:03.800 was the officer of the deck of the USS Paul S. Foster.

00:18:07.660 I don't know, in late 1979 or 1980.

00:18:09.980 We've been there since 79.

00:18:13.000 All the way till today, down to the current time.

00:18:15.600 We're talking about the exact same thing.

00:18:17.840 The Straits or Hormuz, the North Arabian Sea.

00:18:19.940 Come on, man.

00:18:22.080 Any serious country would move on.

00:18:25.320 Fix the problem and let's move on.

00:18:27.500 and you have to have if you're a great power you have to act like a great power and part

00:18:34.020 acting like a great power is knowing when it's in your strategic interest or you're just going

00:18:40.760 to hang around forever and those decision decisions i argue have to be made and they

00:18:47.780 have to be made now because we can't afford this anymore number one the people that supply it

00:18:53.300 And the people who supply the young men and women there, the backbone of this country, this audience, and people like this audience, to raise your kids up right, that understand the lessons of the American Revolution and the American experience and want to put their shoulder to the wheel as young as they are in defense of their country, are the ones that I think are having the biggest questions right now.

00:19:19.580 And once they start questioning it, it's over

00:19:23.320 And that's what we've got to get to

00:19:26.140 And we're going to get to all of it

00:19:27.200 I just might add, you know, I had this big meeting

00:19:30.300 With all the great brains and the political operatives

00:19:32.820 President Trump, and they came out

00:19:35.060 And they said, they tweeted this out

00:19:36.880 The thing we're going to push

00:19:38.120 We're really going to push

00:19:39.660 Is the big, beautiful bill aspect

00:19:42.600 Of the populist economic policy

00:19:44.600 No tax on tips, no tax on overtime

00:19:46.960 No tax on Social Security

00:19:48.780 which are all kind of concepts president trump came up with and there weren't enough of it it

00:19:53.740 should have been more but it was thwarted by the exact lobbyist and political consultants there

00:19:58.960 so now what are they running on not the big beautiful bill was the supply side tax cut

00:20:03.860 that started to bring back provided capital or access to capital or advantages to capital

00:20:10.620 that brought jobs back oh no no that would be too much work not doing that they're going to

00:20:18.400 emphasize the populace. Talk about the hypocrisy. E.J. and Tony, you've been such a straight shooter 0.89

00:20:29.360 and so correct. As you know, we've lost so many of our colleagues and our co-anchors right over

00:20:36.900 to the administration. In fact, Dave Bratt, who's been silent for about a year, I think will be

00:20:42.060 confirmed next week and be headed to Australia as the ambassador in a long line. E.J. was nominated

00:20:47.940 to take over the Bureau of Labor Statistics,

00:20:49.780 but it was the Republican Party,

00:20:52.380 the Republican Party that stopped that.

00:20:55.580 Todd Bensman is going to join us in a moment.

00:20:57.540 He's back after a year in the administration.

00:21:01.040 E.J., one of the beating hearts of the problem here,

00:21:04.940 and Victor Davis Hanson was on some show the other day,

00:21:07.040 I don't know, Megyn Kelly or something,

00:21:08.180 and they played a clip that I was sitting there

00:21:10.760 railing on the workforce participation

00:21:15.340 and talking about he had to have economies for family.

00:21:17.360 Of course, he's a neoliberal neocon. Nice guy, but wrong on everything.

00:21:21.000 You know, thinks deep thoughts, but was one of the intellectual architects of the fiasco in Iraq and Afghanistan

00:21:27.080 and is now one of the leading voices with Tel Aviv Levin for, oh, we got to put troops on the ground and let's march to Tehran.

00:21:34.660 So another third strike, you're out, VDH.

00:21:37.420 But he took umbrage. Oh, Bannon doesn't understand the Chinese Communist Party.

00:21:41.480 I say, dude, I forgot more about the Chinese Communist Party than you will ever know.

00:21:44.920 um he particularly was about the workforce participation we have a problem and help me

00:21:52.240 out here we don't have we have millions of men of able-bodied semen as we used to say

00:22:00.640 that are eligible to work that are not working and we particularly have a problem with stem

00:22:07.160 workers people train because we got all these phony leak quote-unquote legal immigration plans

00:22:12.240 that adhere to, and all of them, whether it's illegal immigration or whether it's illegal

00:22:16.400 immigration plans, they're all focused on one thing, for the corporations to drive down

00:22:22.440 wages among workers.

00:22:25.020 So help me out. 0.95

00:22:25.760 How big a problem is workforce participation, and particularly the fact that you have men 0.87

00:22:31.660 in the prime of life?

00:22:33.600 And if our theory of the case here is that we want to build families, and the family

00:22:38.280 is the center of the economic unit of a MAGA economy. And you want to have a particularly

00:22:44.000 that can be a cultural dynamic that both don't have to go out and be quasi, you know, slave labor, 1.00

00:22:51.680 right, or modern economic serfs, but that the mom is so chooses, can actually stay home and run the 1.00

00:22:59.580 household, raise the kids, and maybe even have a couple of more kids. How do we get around this? 1.00

00:23:05.480 because it seems like I believe we're going in the wrong direction, sir.

00:23:10.740 Steve, a lot of really, really great questions there.

00:23:13.240 I think the most important piece of kind of context here

00:23:16.000 is the fact that the economy really changed drastically during COVID

00:23:20.120 and still hasn't gotten back to normal, I guess you would call it.

00:23:24.020 So with that being said, you had literally millions of people

00:23:27.900 who left the labor force during COVID, understandably,

00:23:31.020 but then they never came back.

00:23:32.820 and you have to ask, okay, why does that include such a large number of men, literally millions of

00:23:39.140 men, well over 5 million who are now missing from the labor force, again, left during COVID,

00:23:44.160 but then never came back afterwards. And I think a lot of that has to do with what followed COVID,

00:23:49.380 the responses seen during the Biden administration. You can put this into, I think,

00:23:53.300 two broad categories. One was a huge incentive not to work and the other was a big disincentive

00:23:59.260 for working? What was the disincentive for working? Well, it was the fact that Biden threw

00:24:03.560 open the border, imported all of this low-skill, low-wage labor, which really cut out the first

00:24:09.740 rung on the ladder of success for a lot of men, and essentially disincentivized them from working.

00:24:16.220 Because look, the labor market is a market. It's right there in the name, okay? If you increase

00:24:20.160 supply, you're going to put downward pressure on prices. Well, what happens when you increase the

00:24:24.500 supply of low skilled work, you put downward pressure on the wages of that cohort. That's

00:24:29.800 exactly what we have seen over the last several years. So there's your disincentive for working.

00:24:34.900 But what about your incentive to not work? Again, I think you have to lay a lot of blame at the feet

00:24:39.560 of the Biden administration here, because they greatly expanded a lot of different welfare

00:24:44.640 benefits. And not only, Steve, did they increase how much you could get on these different welfare

00:24:49.560 programs, but they also reduce the requirements, not just work requirements, but the different

00:24:55.240 thresholds you had to meet in order to actually be considered disabled, for example. This is why

00:25:01.380 there was a surge by millions in terms of the number of people who are considered disabled

00:25:07.740 when it comes to these labor market statistics and also, again, the benefits that you can get

00:25:12.280 from different programs. So once more, huge disincentive for working, but then also an

00:25:18.320 incentive to not work? Because why would I go to work when I can sit at home on disability or a 0.67

00:25:24.380 host of other different welfare programs and get paid? Has the Trump administration, because I know

00:25:32.020 President Trump is driving crazy, have we gone in and taken out all of those incentives, these kind

00:25:38.120 of phony incentives not to work? Have they all been, are the requirements tougher? Is the reporting

00:25:44.280 tougher have they raised the threshold on all of it so that we get tell guys hey look uh you know

00:25:49.800 it's on us to stop the illegal immigration and the and the quote-unquote legal to suppress your

00:25:55.480 wages but yo the american people are not going to be paying for able-bodied semen to sit on a sofa

00:26:00.780 and just uh stream netflix sir steve the short answer is some not all and some of the things

00:26:09.160 that we've rolled back have only been done very very recently just within the last few weeks

00:26:14.240 or months. Food stamps, I think, is a good example of that, where we are finally putting back into

00:26:19.640 place the work requirements, which are basically just saying, look, if you are an able-bodied

00:26:25.140 man, you either need to be going to school or you need to be looking for work, you need to be

00:26:30.360 volunteering something. You can't just be, as you rightly said, Steve, somebody who's just sitting

00:26:35.280 at home like a lump on the log and is just streaming Netflix or whatever the case may be.

00:26:40.360 Now, look, most of what's going on here, I do firmly believe, is economic. That's just what the data are telling us. But I think it's also the case that there are a lot of cultural issues at play here as well. Feminism, for example, a big reason why men decide to advance in their careers, why they decide to work harder, to earn more money, etc., is the fact that they get married and have children.

00:27:04.220 And now they have a responsibility.

00:27:06.220 There are people dependent on them to actually go out there and work and earn more and be

00:27:11.600 successful.

00:27:12.560 But if you short circuit that whole process, if you stop men from actually getting married

00:27:17.320 and having kids in the first place, which is what has happened to a lot of young men

00:27:21.760 today, then they decide to not go out there and to be achievers.

00:27:26.000 They instead decide to just basically be self-sufficient.

00:27:29.800 what was the the delay in getting these biden level incentives is that a department of labor

00:27:37.260 problem or is it blocked on the hill because i've noticed these the reason they don't want to have

00:27:41.640 appropriation thing is that they get into these fights the media says you're a bunch of cruel 0.94

00:27:45.600 white uh racist nativists xenophobic republicans and people crater what happened here 0.92

00:27:52.240 but steve it's a mix the administration i think is taking good steps to actually 0.94

00:27:57.800 handle the things that are the different levers, let's say, that are within their reach. We've

00:28:03.540 seen that now with the Department of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins taking on the problem with food 1.00

00:28:08.760 stamps. So that was good. You have other issues that it would have to be resolved at labor, some

00:28:13.520 at HHS. So it really, really varies. But to your point, there are plenty of these things that were

00:28:20.880 done by law and would now have to be undone by law. That's on Congress. Yeah. Hang on for one

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00:30:03.020 what does this mean that both war going on and the lack of ability of the republicans to step in

00:30:11.100 and by force political will start to cut the spending that got codified during the

00:30:17.760 Biden administration. That means that's why you got 1.4 trillion dollar deficit in the first nine

00:30:22.180 months. As we said, this is why you're going to have a 1.8 to 2 trillion dollar deficit by the

00:30:26.780 end of the fiscal year. This is why they're already working on a CR to kick the can down the road

00:30:30.780 to lead to an omnibus that continues on with Biden and Pelosi spending. When I say CR, just

00:30:36.920 remember that's Biden and Pelosi spending levels. What does that mean for you? Go to, this is why

00:30:43.140 we did end of the dollar empire not that we want the end of the dollar empire we don't want it all

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00:31:18.980 They make themselves available for this.

00:31:21.460 So EJ, before I get on to the H-1Bs, and by the way, Todd Bensman joins us back to a huge day today

00:31:29.060 for Todd coming back after being a year in the administration.

00:31:33.000 Also, if Denver could put up, Sam Faddis.

00:31:36.120 Sam has been medevaced to

00:31:39.600 I think the University of Pennsylvania

00:31:41.020 For this surgery

00:31:42.680 Hasn't happened yet

00:31:43.640 But please, there's an update

00:31:45.200 I think Grace and Elizabeth have put up in Mo

00:31:48.400 I want to make sure you have

00:31:49.600 I think from the family

00:31:50.820 From Sam's wife and his daughter

00:31:52.580 And please keep Sam Faddis

00:31:54.860 In your prayers

00:31:56.080 One of the greats

00:31:57.760 And it's been so helpful to understanding

00:31:59.820 Everything that's going on

00:32:01.220 Particularly in Persia now

00:32:03.080 Having dedicated

00:32:03.980 I think 30 years of his life

00:32:06.660 To defense of his country

00:32:08.180 The great Sam Fettis

00:32:09.500 EJ

00:32:11.420 Let's just cut to

00:32:15.080 Part of the reason here

00:32:16.220 Is that we got a bunch of 1.00

00:32:17.140 Squish Republicans 1.00

00:32:17.960 That are all part of the Uniparty 1.00

00:32:19.880 They're all in the

00:32:20.980 Georgetown cocktail circuit

00:32:22.160 And I'm talking

00:32:22.560 This is McConnell

00:32:23.340 This is why I keep advocating

00:32:25.440 For a throwdown with Thune

00:32:26.900 Right now for Senate leadership

00:32:28.800 Let's have the fight

00:32:30.200 Because it's not Thune 0.96

00:32:31.420 He's just some

00:32:32.060 You know 0.99

00:32:33.040 guy from blowing in from the prairie, right? We love the prairie, but he's blown into town. He's

00:32:39.120 not exactly the strongest. He's just a cipher. This is McConnellism that is thwarting Trump.

00:32:45.000 Why are they thwarting Trump? They're talking about going on a recess that's going to be six

00:32:48.460 weeks. Is one day of that recess, one day an actual recess that President Trump can do some

00:32:53.340 recess appointments? Since he's got ambassadors and others that have backed up for six months,

00:32:58.400 they're telling guys, hey, we don't get to you next week. It'll be after the election.

00:33:03.040 that this is all this is the republican the gutless feckless controlled opposition republicans

00:33:09.800 that go along with biden remember they're cheering biden and loving up on biden because he'd been

00:33:13.720 with him for all the time rubbing up on biden not questioning how he was illegitimate and

00:33:18.680 destroying the country the reason we start the end of the dollar empire was early in 2021 because we

00:33:22.980 saw the spending bill when you didn't need it remember aggregate demand let's go back to the

00:33:28.160 war room at the war room pandemic, aggregate demand drops, collapses. Yes, you do need to

00:33:33.980 bridge that with extraordinary measures. President Trump took those extraordinary measures. And guess

00:33:39.520 what? We had gotten, oh, the bridge had been built and we had gotten to the other side by

00:33:44.500 2021. But no, no, no, no, no, no. They had to have a massive spending bill that we said, hey,

00:33:51.340 was going to be a Keynesian infusion. It was going to drive inflation. And you had,

00:33:55.940 you know klugman and all these guys mocking oh my god they don't know anything navar bannon a bunch 0.66

00:34:01.500 of clowns turns out they were wrong but we still got the problem why are we not because i understand

00:34:07.160 but by these guys think did it during um reconciliation when i look at the punch list

00:34:11.840 for our reconciliations brother i don't see cuts in there i see more spending over and above the cr

00:34:20.020 that's got the biden number in it this is why we're looking at 350 billion dollar uh reconciliation

00:34:25.780 But, bro, I do not see in that the cuts that you say have to be decodified, sir.

00:34:34.200 Steve, you're absolutely right.

00:34:35.580 I mean, this latest reconciliation package that was put forward just missed opportunity from beginning to end.

00:34:42.360 Where are the spending cuts?

00:34:43.580 Where is the tax relief?

00:34:45.260 Where is the rollback of the Biden and Pelosi era nonsense that you were just talking about?

00:34:51.940 Both the nonsense in terms of just the size of the spending, which has gotten way out of control, but also the rollback of their agenda.

00:35:00.720 What about rolling back all the woke DEI nonsense, the Green New Deal nonsense, right?

00:35:06.880 We still have some of that on the books. 0.91

00:35:09.300 We still have not decodified that, if you will, or in other words, removed it from statute.

00:35:14.480 All of that good, hard work still needs to be done.

00:35:17.980 And it just really, again, missed opportunity is the phrase that comes to mind there, because as we were just saying before the break, Steve, it is going to take Congress to undo a lot of this damage.

00:35:30.900 Congress was part of the problem in the first place, and now it can't just simply be done with the executive order.

00:35:35.760 It's going to require Congress to get that stuff off the books just like it required them to put it on there in the first place.

00:35:41.860 But the problem is, you know, you have you have the Democrats, which just always vote as a block for whatever reason.

00:35:48.580 I'm a I'm not a political scientist. I'm a monetary scientist.

00:35:51.320 I'll leave it to my betters to figure that one out. Republicans just never can vote as a block for some reason.

00:35:56.860 But on top of that, you also have these these Swiss Republicans like the McConnell's, like the Murkowski's, who are always willing to cross the aisle and to vote on some of these big ticket items from the Democrats.

00:36:09.460 The infrastructure bill comes to mind, right, which was just a lot of waste. Maybe not all of it was bad, but a lot of it was just waste. And you can never find 10 Democrats to come across the aisle and to do the same thing when it comes to the Republican agenda items. That's a big, big problem in D.C.

00:36:28.820 Before I let you go now, there's all types of reports overnight that the my whole theory is that we have a highly leveraged bet, kind of double leverage, both corporately and as a nation on artificial intelligence, providing immediate and mass productivity increases without concomitant layoffs.

00:36:48.840 I think that the return on it, we've had people on here talking about this nonstop, about how the return on equity, the return on investment is not there.

00:36:59.680 They're finally waking up to it.

00:37:01.360 It may be even too late given what they've committed to.

00:37:05.220 But this gets to the fact that American labor is not participating in all in this.

00:37:11.100 Artificial intelligence is driving jobs out.

00:37:13.000 But more importantly, I think we have 12 million STEM workers that are not fully occupied. 0.97

00:37:18.780 And the reason is we continue to have these H-1B visas and flood the zone with foreign labor that has no right to be here. 0.99

00:37:25.840 They're not better educated and they don't have better training or better qualifications for the billets in whatever billet it is. 1.00

00:37:33.520 You can't show us one person, not one, that is in a billet that has better education or better on-job expertise than an American worker, sir. 0.84

00:37:44.460 When is this going to get stopped? 0.78

00:37:47.500 Steve, unfortunately, I'm just not seeing any indication that work is being done here to reform the H-1B program.

00:37:54.680 And we keep seeing stories time and time again where it's not just a matter of someone is being brought in because a company literally can't find an American with this precise skill set, but you keep finding these examples of businesses bringing in an H-1B worker to be a secretary in an office.

00:38:12.460 I mean, something where there is zero argument whatsoever that can be made to say that this is a role that could only be filled by this foreigner, that there are no Americans with the skill set, again, to do something like to be a secretary or a clerical worker, whatever the case may be.

00:38:29.180 So it's not just a matter of a problem in STEM fields, although you're absolutely right. You're seeing a lot of computer science graduates, for example, people with what used to be considered a very, very strong bachelor's degree, obviously, in the STEM field where they can't get jobs. But it's affecting a lot of other workers in other sectors, too. So obviously, the program is in desperate need of reform. I just don't see people taking a look at it right now.

00:38:54.660 EJ where do people go to keep up with your your Twitter feed as a constant it's kind of like the

00:39:01.040 sophisticated Bloomberg for the MAGA movement on finance and economics where do people go

00:39:05.640 the best place to find me is there on x the handle is at real EJ and Tony

00:39:11.440 EJ thanks for taking time on a Saturday I know you had to change things around so thank you

00:39:16.220 for sharing this with the war and posse appreciate you thank you for having me Steve

00:39:20.420 bensman man oh man welcome but you're a sight for sore eyes thank your lovely visage thank you for

00:39:29.620 thank you for joining us i guess your first week uh your first week back you're over at heritage

00:39:34.660 right now that's right i'm with heritage now uh doing the same thing border security immigration

00:39:41.500 national security talk about because you wrote uh and you were on for years on the show and

00:39:48.200 were really the tip of the spear. You were the equivalent of what Russ Vogt was for the

00:39:53.000 management of the country and Besson for capital markets. You were that voice. Walk people through

00:39:57.780 what in the year you've been gone 14 months, what were the types of things, billets you had,

00:40:02.420 types of things you worked on for the administration? That's right. I was assigned

00:40:07.100 to the, I was a senior advisor assigned to the ICE office of director. And I worked often with

00:40:15.540 Tom Homan and DHS leadership on the mass deportation project and on lots of kinds of

00:40:25.940 policy issues that would result in permanently welding shut the border, permanently ending some

00:40:36.060 of the loopholes that enabled that and caused us the kind of problem that we're trying to dig

00:40:43.720 ourselves out of now. Todd, the reason, and if we can grab, if Cameron and the team, Brandon can

00:40:50.820 grab the cover of his book, the reason that your voice was so powerful is that you had a very

00:40:57.580 sophisticated way, in fact, the cover of your book, and remember, the intellectual property that you

00:41:03.140 put out that came out through War Room, that came out through the CIS, your site that was picked up

00:41:08.840 at like Epoch Times. It fired the base up that finally there was somebody there explaining the

00:41:13.960 details of what was happening with this really invasion and well thought through invasion. You

00:41:18.440 would always tell me, don't say it's chaos on the border. Don't say it. This is very, that's that

00:41:24.320 famous shot right there. You did more to explain that, but you also, your previous book, when we

00:41:29.980 first started having you in the show years ago, was about jihadis and terrorists coming across.

00:41:35.380 So you covered both aspects. One, how the system was totally gamed and very well thought through and working with that you do not get 20 million illegal alien invaders into a country unless it's highly organized and the judges know about it in the in the left wing legal profession.

00:41:53.140 But also you understood from the previous book that, hey, this thing has been open for a long time and some very bad hombres are coming into the country. Give me a minute or two on that before you go to break.

00:42:05.380 That's right. The Biden administration years was the hugest, greatest, worst mass migration crisis, I think, in world history. I'm unaware, even during the world wars, of any kind of numbers like that.

00:42:21.100 And it was all by policy. It was organized. It was planned out very well by the migrant resettlement and aid industrial complex that I call it.

00:42:34.300 hundreds of millions of dollars flowed into that industrial complex, into those non-profit

00:42:41.600 businesses, in order to keep those people flowing over the border, all of them being let in,

00:42:49.840 all along the migrant trail from all over the world, 150 plus countries coming through,

00:42:56.540 and they're still here. Donald Trump is trying to fix that, trying to dig us out

00:43:04.220 of that. It's not easy, but that's the situation that we're still in. And so it still matters

00:43:10.640 how that happened, why that happened, who profited, uh, so that accountability can finally be brought

00:43:18.980 and also so that we can, uh, put policies in place to prevent it from happening. If you don't

00:43:25.160 know why it happened, you can't fix it. Okay. Hang over a second. I'm gonna hold you through

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00:46:03.780 So, Benzman, I think your quote was,

00:46:09.160 this was the biggest organized kind of invasion of of migrants and foreigners illegal aliens a

00:46:15.620 whole raft of them all the way from good solid people there were a lot of good solid people 0.72

00:46:19.860 that came across there it doesn't matter it doesn't matter there are good solid people

00:46:25.620 that came here for a better life that's not the way you do things you get in line

00:46:29.720 like everybody else did all the way to some of the worst hombres in in in history however this

00:46:37.200 was organized by people that want to destroy this country in this republic. You said it was

00:46:43.240 the biggest in world history. You're not someone that overstates your case, sir. Make the case for

00:46:48.140 that, please. Well, the numbers alone, we were seeing 250 to 300,000. I mean, imagine a Super

00:46:58.320 Bowl stadium packed to the gills, 70,000. Three of those every single month at least were coming

00:47:06.320 in over the border and being let in to stay for years. We just have never seen anything like,

00:47:13.240 even in Europe, the numbers aren't anywhere like that. And they complain all the time about this,

00:47:18.780 you know, the crisis over there. It's like a fraction of what we saw coming over the U.S.

00:47:23.680 border. We think somewhere in the order of at least 8 million just came over in that period.

00:47:30.340 I think it's a lot more because of the gotaways. But in any case, let's just take the most conservative number. It's an unbelievable number of people that came in over the border and, you know, created a lot of very visible social problems, budget problems, fiscal problems, employment, labor market problems.

00:47:53.300 To get 8 to 22 million people in. I'm a 13 million person, but hey, I'll take the high, I'll take the over, I'll take the under. It's a monumental problem. You don't do that unless you're highly organized, correct? 0.99

00:48:06.640 It was very well organized by policy, for sure, and by the United Nations and its partnership with a big consortium of non-governmental organizations that all profited from this through the UN.

00:48:25.040 And those not-for-profits were funded by dark money.

00:48:29.840 Most of them were funded by dark money.

00:48:31.100 So the enemies of this country, both foreign and domestic, because we have domestic enemies, and that's the point we're going to get to, is identify who the domestic enemies are of this republic and take care of business.

00:48:42.900 um now that we've um and so now we're in a situation we have the john c calhoun's of the

00:48:50.540 21st century because most of these illegal invaders have gone to the major cities because

00:48:57.420 they're sanctuary cities new york's a sanctuary state new york city's a sanctuary city illinois

00:49:02.600 chicago los angeles and we have these mayors that have essentially told the president of these

00:49:09.880 United States and the commander in chief that, hey, ICE, the internal enforcement apparatus,

00:49:16.820 not the border, not the Coast Guard, not the great job the military is doing, not the great

00:49:21.020 job the customs and border are doing. Magnificent. President Trump essentially sealed it when they

00:49:26.480 said it couldn't be done. Oh, we have to just take 250,000 a month because that's just a natural law,

00:49:32.240 a natural property of the universe. No, Trump shut it down in 60 to 90 days.

00:49:36.980 But the internal enforcement that stops the immediate problem, but to take care of the festering sword that is the problem, we now have Mandami at the lead telling you, and by the way, in Minneapolis, in Los Angeles, screw you, you're not going to enforce any federal law about immigration.

00:50:00.460 And Mandami calls these people Americans. I'm protecting Americans. Your thoughts, sir?

00:50:06.980 Well, of course, all of that is absurd. It's ideological or it's propagandistic. I think

00:50:14.440 it's more propagandistic than anything else. They're open borders. It is the signature policy

00:50:23.280 of the far left to just simply accept that there are no borders. Everybody has a right to go

00:50:31.820 anywhere in the world that they want at any time, especially into the United States.

00:50:36.540 I don't think that this is something that the American people, writ large, are interested in.

00:50:46.180 However, there is an organized nationwide campaign to undermine U.S. support, the people's support

00:50:55.400 for these deportations. And where you can really see that are these very organized ruckus groups

00:51:03.500 that are attacking in an organized way, physically attacking ICE agents and interfering with ICE

00:51:13.520 operations in all these big cities. Black Block, you can see them. They're not just protesters or

00:51:21.080 demonstrators. And that produces a propaganda effect that I think has undermined some U.S.

00:51:30.500 support for these operations. But I do think that there's still good support for these.

00:51:36.520 Oh, this is amazing. So, I mean, mass deportations, there's still amazing support of it. They all

00:51:40.560 have to go. All of them. There is not, there is, it's totally unacceptable. Any inkling of amnesty

00:51:50.300 There's not going to be any amnesty

00:51:52.220 I don't care how you 1.00

00:51:53.340 Put lipstick on that pig 1.00

00:51:55.540 We can always get back and show you 0.99

00:51:58.340 It's amnesty

00:51:58.920 Amnesty is unacceptable

00:52:01.960 To the American people 0.99

00:52:03.700 Mass deportations 0.99

00:52:06.180 Are acceptable to the American people 0.83

00:52:07.840 Is it tough? Yes it's tough

00:52:09.520 Why is that? Because you have many people

00:52:12.220 In this country

00:52:13.060 That are Marxist jihadists

00:52:15.660 That hate this republic

00:52:17.860 And are going to try to use the media

00:52:19.600 and try to use scare tactics and try to use violence, like in Minneapolis and other places,

00:52:25.460 to try to shut down Los Angeles, to try to shut down the internal enforcement of our immigration laws.

00:52:32.540 You can't wish this away.

00:52:34.980 You can't whistle past the graveyard because this is the graveyard of this republic.

00:52:40.300 Look, the problems in this country, the crisis in this country of us as a nation and our sovereignty has nothing to do, nothing to do with what's going on in Tehran. 0.97

00:52:53.640 And all the time and the opportunity cost and the money and the blood and the treasure and the focus is wasted. 0.84

00:53:02.020 The problem, the beating heart of the problem is in the United States of America in its largest and greatest cities.

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Bannon's War Room - July 25, 2026

Episode 5543： No Policy Changes On Border Migration; Stopping Biden Era Welfare

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