Bannon's War Room - Episode 5575： Where We Stand On The Economic World Stage

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:12.920 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.180 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.100 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.540 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.280 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.220 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.480 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.880 Mega Media.

00:00:28.780 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.640 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.700 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:53.220 Let's get to Lauren with the numbers. Go ahead, Lauren.

00:00:55.540 Minus 23,000.

00:00:57.820 No rebound for the July jobs report. Negative 23,000. Unemployment rate drops in July to 4.1%

00:01:07.380 from 4.2% in June and the same for the expectation. The number of unemployed drops from 7.1 million

00:01:15.900 to 6.9 million. Where are other jobs, Maria? Well, manufacturing, bright spot. Better than expected.

00:01:22.640 It created 5,000 jobs in the month, but again, a disappointing jobs report.

00:01:29.860 Saturday, 8 August, Year of the Lord, 2026.

00:01:32.360 I think even worse was the issue of wage growth, et cetera.

00:01:36.380 Philip Patrick, I've got you on.

00:01:38.840 I want to talk about the Middle East, the war, also this issue of the CR that they're

00:01:46.040 going to pass to kick the can down the road, all of it, how it impacts the turbulence

00:01:50.280 we've seen in capital markets, and particularly gold as a hedge for all this.

00:01:54.720 Let's start.

00:01:55.200 First off, your assessment of the economy, what these numbers showed, not just the labor

00:02:00.720 participation, unemployment rate, where the jobs are being created, where they're not,

00:02:06.960 also the issues with wages keeping up with inflation.

00:02:11.220 Philip Patrick, the floor is yours, sir.

00:02:14.040 Yeah, yesterday's job report was genuinely quite a weak one.

00:02:18.460 And I think the revisions were almost as important as the headline.

00:02:22.240 The economy lost, as they mentioned in the cold open, about 23,000 jobs in July.

00:02:27.540 Forecasts, though, were anticipating 80,000 job increase.

00:02:32.560 And then we learned that in May and June, 103,000 jobs were lost.

00:02:38.280 Essentially, it was a weaker report than reported.

00:02:41.940 So the problem is it isn't just one bad month.

00:02:44.420 The labor market has been losing momentum for several months in a row.

00:02:49.040 As they mentioned, unemployment actually fell to 4.1%.

00:02:53.520 But that number is misleading.

00:02:55.700 The decline was mostly because about 264,000 Americans left the labor force altogether,

00:03:02.300 which ultimately is bad news, right?

00:03:04.560 We don't want unemployment falling because people have given up looking for work.

00:03:08.660 um worse inflation adjusted pay declined by 0.1 percent now i wouldn't overreact to the headline

00:03:18.160 either about 50 000 of the lost jobs that we saw were basically in local government education

00:03:23.640 while we saw a slight increase in manufacturing and construction so taken together i think

00:03:30.540 businesses have become reluctant to hire in this climate and the federal reserve have obviously

00:03:36.180 been all over the news very recently. This puts them, I think, in an even more difficult position.

00:03:43.680 Three Fed officials last week wanted to raise rates because inflation was still too high.

00:03:48.800 But now the question is, can you really start raising borrowing costs in a labor market that's

00:03:53.880 already stalling? And that's ultimately the trap, right? Inflation says the Fed need to tighten

00:03:59.860 monetary policy, but job numbers now are saying, be careful. And when the Fed is trapped between

00:04:05.300 these two problems the risk of making a mistake starts to rise considerably generally speaking

00:04:11.820 they tend to err on the side of inflation but that's never a guarantee and yeah i just don't

00:04:17.100 but this is but this is but this is but this is a problem with them having a dual mandate for the

00:04:21.760 audience they've got the mandate of two percent inflation right it's it's really a monetary

00:04:27.260 entity since central bank but they added back in the 70s when there's so many you know there's so

00:04:31.880 much unemployment that they had to have also think about full employment it's a it's a tough

00:04:36.480 mandate the question i've got you for you let's go back to those guys that voted how did they not

00:04:41.520 have a feel for what was really happening in the labor market you think this catches everybody

00:04:46.920 surprised one of the things i'm most concerned about and i hate as i know you do is these

00:04:51.880 restatements this is why ej and tony would have been the solution one of our contributors here

00:04:58.340 He was nominated by the president. But the Republican Senate. Folks, embrace this, the Republic, the disastrous do nothing Republican Senate because of Collins and Murkowski were on the committee.

00:05:14.340 They would not even take a meeting with E.J. They would not even take a meeting with the president's nominee for Bureau of Labor Statistics.

00:05:22.700 And E.J. and Tony would have cleaned out all this crap. 0.99

00:05:25.700 You might not like the numbers sometimes, but they're going to be accurate numbers. 0.80

00:05:28.700 What we want, we don't want inflate numbers and go back.

00:05:31.540 Because if we had it the time, Philip, you can kind of see the trend.

00:05:36.940 There is a trend for the economy is not as hot, it's not as heated up.

00:05:43.460 And therefore, there shouldn't be any real debate about raising rates, correct?

00:05:48.120 If these three governments had seen that and seen this data as it really was, we wouldn't have all this hand-wringing and pulling the hair out.

00:05:56.240 Of course, we're going to have you on next week.

00:05:59.220 They're at Aspen right now.

00:06:00.400 They're going to Jackson Hole for the big Fed meeting.

00:06:04.600 It wouldn't be all this gnashing of teeth if we had real data, sir.

00:06:08.380 It's exactly it.

00:06:09.500 Listen, the Federal Reserve have a job to do, and they need accurate numbers in order to do that job.

00:06:14.580 This becomes an absolute debacle.

00:06:16.560 And what happens, the reality is they start to respond to issues too late.

00:06:21.360 Inflation starts to become entrenched and it creates massive problems.

00:06:25.360 So, yes, they've got one job to do and they need to start doing a better job, the BLS.

00:06:30.500 They work on estimates coming out from economists.

00:06:33.240 But as you said, there's a lot of leading indicators.

00:06:36.080 They should just get better at their job.

00:06:38.620 I think until they do, we have to trust these as estimates, but we can't treat the first report as gospel.

00:06:47.300 But, yes, there's got to be changes happening there.

00:06:50.860 I was encouraged when they got rid of the previous head of the BLS, but nothing's changed, clearly.

00:06:56.360 And until it does, it's just making what is an incredibly tough job for the Federal Reserve almost impossible to achieve.

00:07:04.160 i want to go back on something you said and make sure the audience understands the implications of

00:07:10.880 it it's the increase in the labor the decrease in the labor participation rate you know i i've been

00:07:17.100 on this for a while of course victor davis hansen kind of blew it off oh bannon really don't

00:07:21.760 understand it's been the low 60s it's all bullcrap this is a key number and this shows you about

00:07:27.280 people giving up right uh and it's so essential today we had fish back on you know yesterday

00:07:33.000 talking about he's galvanized young men in this race in uh in in florida and part of it's about

00:07:39.840 this idea of getting a wife getting a job uh buying a house having that kind of foundational

00:07:46.420 element we need for uh for the american republic our society what burke called the little platoons

00:07:52.760 the things that undergird a uh undergird a culture undergird a society why is labor participation

00:07:59.320 Such a big deal when you look at the numbers, Philip.

00:08:02.500 Listen, at the end of the day, we need people working, right?

00:08:05.540 They have mouths to feed, families to feed, lives to run.

00:08:10.660 We've got GDP to generate.

00:08:12.240 And if people aren't working, the economy collapses.

00:08:15.740 Labor participation is the most important metric, I think, of the entire economy.

00:08:21.860 Concerningly, what we've seen is some really good strides coming from the administration when it comes to manufacturing.

00:08:27.840 We had a manufacturing report come out early this week, and the numbers were quite incredible.

00:08:33.000 The big concern is, though, that isn't bleeding through to an increase in labor.

00:08:37.740 It could be a timing issue.

00:08:39.460 It could be a ramp-up issue.

00:08:40.940 Or it could be an efficiency issue, pushing more on the AI side and the individual getting affected.

00:08:46.880 But like I said, until the labor market picks up, the problems are going to continue.

00:08:52.660 i want to give a hat tip uh now to kane over at citizens free press

00:08:59.800 kane uh and i've got to know him very well he went to uva i went to vpi um although he's from

00:09:07.980 indiana he's one of those hoosiers one of those out of state guys that went there got involved

00:09:11.860 and they have a great clip he was up at cnn i guess as an intern kane i'll tell you that he

00:09:17.260 started citizens free press one of the things that drove him nuts is debt deficits and what

00:09:22.920 it's doing to our country what it's done to the dollar what's done to the economy and this is why

00:09:27.660 kane always puts up he's got the the federal debt clock if you notice he's always doing headlines

00:09:33.660 all the time uh like for instance the cr when you kick the can down the road what it means

00:09:38.200 but kane is very and i can't speak highly enough of citizens free press as a site to go to

00:09:43.040 But he's always very focused on national debt.

00:09:46.820 And he's been like that since he started Citizens Free Press years ago.

00:09:50.520 Another guy that was like that was Charlie Kirk.

00:09:53.740 Charlie, and I think we gave him his first job, really paid job, in the business over at Breitbart as a writer about college campuses.

00:10:00.040 But what inspired him even to get involved was watching the old Glenn Beck show.

00:10:04.420 He used to tell me this all the time when Glenn Beck would be on the whiteboard and talking about QE and debt and deficit.

00:10:10.480 In fact, with Peter Schweitzer, Glenn Beck wrote a book, I don't know, back in, I think it was in 2010, 2011, 10, 15 years ago, about national debt, about deficits and what it was going to mean long term.

00:10:23.580 Philip Patrick, I think it's what, by Election Day, we're going to be at $40 trillion.

00:10:28.820 The CR that the Senate's kicking the can down the road to December, it's the same spending as Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi.

00:10:37.780 It's their budget.

00:10:38.560 We haven't cut any of it.

00:10:39.580 But how big a national security threat? 1.00

00:10:42.660 Let's leave aside the BRICS nations. 1.00

00:10:44.360 Let's leave aside gold, all of that.

00:10:46.980 In your mind, as somebody watches this all the time, how big a national security issue

00:10:51.640 do you believe is the runaway train of our national debt in these massive deficits, sir?

00:11:00.180 I mean, it's the biggest national security threat we have and has been for a long time.

00:11:05.500 this for me is something i'm very passionate about as well because i think if we cannot get a whole

00:11:12.280 handle on debt and deficit the problem is unsolvable and ultimately it's just a case of

00:11:18.340 slowing the pace of collapse or decline but you can see it play out in everything that we do today

00:11:24.840 right you know countries around the world understand that our biggest achilles heel

00:11:31.000 is internal. It's debt and deficit. And if they can raise borrowing costs, there's nothing we

00:11:35.980 can do to fight them. Look at the Iranians, right? It's a very good case in point. They're not firing 1.00

00:11:41.240 missiles at US destroyers. They're trying to affect trade. They're trying to get people to

00:11:46.540 think twice about, you know, transacting in US dollars. Why do you think they're hitting those

00:11:51.320 Gulf states, right? It's the security guarantee. It's the petrodollar, right? They're trying to 0.93

00:11:56.320 make these countries think twice about transacting in dollars. Hey, why are you using U.S. dollars

00:12:02.040 if the U.S. can't even protect you? And what's happening is borrowing rates are increasing. We

00:12:07.540 said last week they're at the highest levels now, over 5% since 2007. Debt service payments now are

00:12:16.300 taking up 25% of our total revenue. That is money that is completely unproductive. It's projected

00:12:23.420 that within less than eight years at the current pace, interest payments on the debt are going to

00:12:28.240 take up half of our revenue. And there's nothing we can do. We cannot function as a nation from

00:12:33.540 that point. So if, you know, legislators don't understand this, they need to understand it very,

00:12:40.060 very, very quickly. Because like I said, outside of a massive productivity boom, and I mean

00:12:45.840 massive, there's no way out of this outside of immediately and aggressively curbing spending.

00:12:52.820 But like you said, there really isn't the political will and hasn't been for a long time to do it.

00:13:00.800 You know, Mark Beal is going to be joining us.

00:13:03.100 We're going to talk about artificial intelligence.

00:13:06.160 I mean, Philip, here's my concern about, and I'm the biggest advocate.

00:13:11.020 In fact, I don't take credit.

00:13:12.520 I came up with it, but I think I did come up with it, that the business model of the United States is a highly leveraged bet.

00:13:19.160 and we layered on a highly leveraged bet on productivity increases of artificial intelligence

00:13:26.240 without the concomitant layoffs. If you look at the math, the way people are talking about it,

00:13:32.220 what they think is that they're going to have this big bang on productivity increases coming

00:13:37.220 from AI. But when you look at the math, they haven't taken out massive layoffs in high-value

00:13:44.320 added jobs in the IT community and in STEM workers that goes along with it. I ain't buying that.

00:13:51.680 Not for a second do I buy it. And quite frankly, I don't think anybody of the oligarchs buy it

00:13:56.920 either, and they don't care about it. We're going to take a short commercial break. Make sure you

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00:16:47.800 Okay.

00:16:51.220 Philip Patrick, let me take the bricks.

00:16:54.460 Are people starting to say the BRICS nation was a Brazil, Russia, India,

00:16:59.120 China, South Africa, and others.

00:17:01.200 Cause they're all, they've all joined up. 0.93

00:17:03.620 Many of these are the enemies of the United States.

00:17:05.920 Some of them are quasi-allies of the United States, but all of them got smart people.

00:17:10.600 And as we're nationalists and put America first, they should definitely put their nations first.

00:17:15.220 There is an argument of what some of the BRICS nations are trying to do in talking about

00:17:19.980 a basket of currencies.

00:17:20.980 Why?

00:17:21.420 They've seen kind of a rolling devaluation on the drop of the purchasing power of the

00:17:25.000 dollar.

00:17:25.380 That just, that happens to be a fact.

00:17:28.060 So you can't fault them for that.

00:17:29.700 Although many of those nations led by the Chinese Communist Party do not have the goodwill of the United States in intention of Brazil either.

00:17:38.500 So it's an issue. But Philip Patrick, I might argue from the BRICS perspective.

00:17:44.620 We're in Iran right now. We're in the Persian Gulf.

00:17:47.700 We're all worried about Hormuz. And we're intervening to bail out the Japanese, not because we love the Japanese and not because we care about the Persians or we care about the Omanis or we care about the Saudis or we care about Qatar. 0.99

00:18:01.280 What we care about is all of their ability to support the United States dollars, the prime reserve currency, and that's manifested in buying good old U.S. securities, which Scott Besson has to sell a grunch of trillions of dollars. 0.72

00:18:17.100 Remember, that $40 trillion deficit, about $8 to $10 trillion a year minimum has to be refinanced.

00:18:24.580 Your thoughts, sir?

00:18:26.780 Yeah, first of all, I think it was a masterstroke from Besson.

00:18:30.020 There's huge pressure, as we know, on borrowing rates here in the United States.

00:18:34.400 And this move was not one to support the Japanese economy.

00:18:38.280 By the way, I love how he ceded it to the press with his to-do list, buy $5 to $10 billion in Japanese yen.

00:18:45.240 It was fantastic.

00:18:47.100 Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on, Phil Patrick.

00:18:50.620 Are you telling me that are you implying that Scott may have done that as knowing that a prying media jumping in their Camp David into the cabinet room might have just done the pre-marketing for the for the whole effort, sir?

00:19:07.700 I wouldn't. I would never suggest that.

00:19:10.720 I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, Steve, but it worked out perfectly.

00:19:15.700 But look, as you rightly point out, the premise of this was not to help our friends in Japan. 0.99

00:19:22.540 Of course, that was a byproduct of it.

00:19:24.500 But the real driver was that the Japanese happened to be the largest foreign owner of federal government debt.

00:19:30.320 It's about $1.14 trillion worth today.

00:19:34.060 Japan needed essentially dollar.

00:19:36.040 We know what's happening to the yen's value.

00:19:38.120 It's plummeting.

00:19:39.100 And essentially, they needed dollar reserves to defend the yen's value.

00:19:44.380 Traditionally, what they would have done is raise that by selling some of their debt.

00:19:49.360 Right now, that's exactly what we do not need.

00:19:52.360 As we've said a couple of times, borrowing costs now are at the highest levels they have been since 2007.

00:19:59.280 We are borrowing an enormous amount of money every single business day.

00:20:03.720 So the last thing we need is one of our biggest customers essentially becoming a forced seller.

00:20:09.000 So Besant found another route.

00:20:11.340 essentially, he bought Japanese yen using euro reserves that we held as opposed to using US

00:20:19.060 dollars. Essentially, the product was to push the euro down and the yen up and ultimately didn't

00:20:26.480 force the Japanese to sell US debt. So it was a very, very smart move. But I think it shows you

00:20:33.200 what a balancing act Scott Besson has to do. I think we have $1.4 trillion of new debt over the

00:20:40.100 next six months. This is just mounting at an astronomical pace. He's been moving a ton of it

00:20:45.760 to the shorter term, about 20% of debt now has moved to the shorter end of the yield. But this

00:20:51.160 is a massive balancing act. But this was a very, very smart move from Besson. And we shouldn't be

00:20:57.920 surprised by that at this point. You know, I say that we're a highly leveraged bet with another

00:21:04.820 highly leveraged bet on ai put on top of the corporate debt that that mass productivity

00:21:09.920 increases without concomitant layoffs and stem hey i'm from missouri on this one you got to show

00:21:16.480 me that on top of that we're sitting on 300 trillion dollars roughly kind of rounded up

00:21:21.720 300 trillion dollars of debt of everything all over the world and i keep saying hey the day if

00:21:28.060 if if things come unglued and we have the basically a margin call on that people are going to have

00:21:33.600 hell to pay. This is what I tell right now, go get all the information. In the middle of a crisis,

00:21:40.100 you can't make decisions. What Scott said about the Japanese situation is very telling. He says,

00:21:46.620 we want to deal with an emergency, which is both Argentina and in Japan, before they get to crises.

00:21:53.720 You in the audience have got to get ahead of this. You have to understand when Scott Besson's

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00:23:55.160 thank you sir appreciate you particularly appreciate you take your time on a saturday

00:24:01.440 to join us appreciate you birch gold do it now thank you sir we'll get back to that one mark

00:24:10.180 Beal's going to join us about artificial intelligence.

00:24:11.900 I'll join it.

00:24:12.980 Clark, Jeff Clark's with us.

00:24:14.380 Jeff, I know your oversight.

00:24:15.860 We've got a lot to report, some great things happening.

00:24:18.600 But I want to go back to Maine Justice.

00:24:21.940 I want to go to DOJ, why this thing was such a tractor pull to get Todd Blanche approved.

00:24:29.400 In President Trump's first term, just describe Maine Justice, how it works, why the billet

00:24:35.060 of Attorney General and the people that report directly to him are so important.

00:24:38.720 What were your billets in that first term? And talk to us about the importance of having main justice aligned with the priorities of the president of the United States, sir.

00:24:51.600 Sure, Steve, and always good to be here. Look, DOJ is a meta agency.

00:24:57.600 There are no agencies that really these days, especially after the big slaughter decision from the Supreme Court, that are going to be running their own show in litigation.

00:25:07.760 it's the attorney general who runs the litigation for the United States. So if you can control all

00:25:12.600 the litigation positions of the United States, that is a huge responsibility. It makes that

00:25:17.720 cabinet office particularly important. I think on the financial side, OMB and Treasury are the

00:25:23.960 meta-agencies, right, as you've just been talking about. And so what did I have? I had the environment

00:25:30.580 division, 400 lawyers, and then the civil division, 1,000 lawyers. There are thousands of lawyers at

00:25:36.420 the Justice Department. Maine Justice is the central mind, the hub of all of the activity

00:25:43.660 for the Justice Department, including the 90-plus U.S. attorneys' offices around the country.

00:25:48.200 But they have to take their lead from Maine Justice, and their legal positions that are

00:25:53.040 taken across the United States have to be consistent. So that's what the Attorney General

00:25:57.560 does. That's what the Deputy Attorney General does. That's what the Solicitor General does

00:26:01.200 by conforming everything to the positions that are taken in the Supreme Court.

00:26:05.600 So, you know, this effort to try to hold up Todd Blanche, especially when there are various Republican senators who voted to confirm Merrick Garland, of all things, is just mystifying to me, Steve.

00:26:19.020 want to go to something you know scott besson the treasury secretary was on here the other day and

00:26:26.440 said one of the reasons for the true economic growth we're seeing just below the surface but

00:26:30.560 the real powerful economic growth he said a lot of that's coming from what lee zelding's doing

00:26:34.640 over epa and then when i was talking to scott he said that was predicated upon a lot of work

00:26:39.080 that you did in the first term that obviously the biden guys reversed right away talk to me

00:26:43.580 about that tell me about your work in the first term on the environmental side why is that so

00:26:48.740 important for unshackling the power, and what you're seeing Lee Zeldin do now in the second

00:26:53.080 term, of unshackling the power of the American economy? Sure. Well, Steve, the environmental

00:27:00.400 laws, maybe not as well known to the American populace as it should be, they run through the

00:27:06.160 entire national economy. There are few agencies that have the power to regulate the entirety of

00:27:12.760 the national economy. But because, you know, releasing emissions to the air, the land and

00:27:19.020 the water are so ubiquitous, the Environmental Protection Agency's power levels are huge.

00:27:24.860 And the Environment Division at the Justice Department, which are the folks who are then

00:27:28.660 controlling what the litigation positions are that I'm talking about, has not just as a client agency

00:27:33.680 EPA, but also the Interior Department, right, which is running our federal lands and USDA's

00:27:41.380 Forest Service, which runs all of the national forest operations, the NOAA agency that is

00:27:48.040 regulating our oceans.

00:27:49.420 I mean, you name it, if you look at the environmental area, the ability to affect the gross domestic

00:27:55.460 product that is reposed in the environmental laws is huge.

00:27:59.200 It's off the charts.

00:28:02.460 What Scott Besson said is that the progressives had used environmental law to de-industrialize

00:28:09.780 the United States of America.

00:28:10.880 And that got to be, that started to be reversed in President Trump's first term.

00:28:16.300 The tip of the spear was Jeff Clark over at Maine Justice.

00:28:20.140 Tip of the spear now, Lee Zelda.

00:28:22.160 That's the importance of making sure you don't lose midterms, that you continue to hold the House and the Senate.

00:28:28.220 The deindustrialization of this nation reversed under President Donald John Trump.

00:28:35.600 Jeff Clark's got a lot more victories over at the Oversight Project.

00:28:38.240 He's going to stick with us next in the war room.

00:28:42.520 Feels like our country finally has momentum again with our leaders fighting to restore common sense in America first.

00:28:50.860 But we've seen this before.

00:28:52.500 Conservatives get comfortable and the left starts taking background inch by inch.

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00:30:06.560 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:30:14.860 So, Jeff, you were one of the best guys we had in the first term.

00:30:21.960 Second term, you've been a hammer. You're over O&B.

00:30:24.440 Now it's the Oversight Project.

00:30:25.880 Walk me through, Mike, how you, the Oversight Project, the Heritage,

00:30:28.500 is kind of one of the groups that Heritage has kind of sponsored.

00:30:34.220 What is your task and purpose there?

00:30:36.080 Why is Jeff Clark at Oversight? And then I want to talk about this, what you just did on the stopping the redistricting fight, sir.

00:30:43.840 So our task and purpose is to be aggressive and to bring aggressive litigation to represent the interests of the American people, Steve.

00:30:53.660 So, you know, recently we got the Joe Biden ghostwriter tapes out and I was watching the left try to react to that.

00:31:02.480 the best thing they could come up with was that, oh, this was like a misdirection play.

00:31:08.300 Joe Biden just wanted to get conservatives on the record saying that, you know, this information

00:31:15.460 should come out so they could get access to volume two of the Jack Smith report down in Florida. 0.99

00:31:20.500 That's about the most stupidest thing I've ever heard. I mean, Biden's lawyers were instructed 0.98

00:31:25.840 to and did fight us tooth and nail on that. We beat them. And we've shown that Joe Biden was

00:31:30.540 senile back in 2017,

00:31:32.760 20,

00:31:33.280 uh,

00:31:34.040 but also,

00:31:35.080 but when you say,

00:31:36.660 see now there was,

00:31:38.280 there was incredible amount.

00:31:39.760 The beauty of what you,

00:31:40.880 there was so much highly classified information that he lied about.

00:31:45.260 I mean,

00:31:45.900 are you an advocate?

00:31:46.740 I think you are.

00:31:47.640 I think you had,

00:31:48.460 are you an advocate?

00:31:49.380 Cause listen,

00:31:50.780 we're not going to clean this mess up unless we start holding people

00:31:53.500 accountable.

00:31:53.880 Should he be prosecuted?

00:31:55.780 Because they bald face lied in her even kind of lied.

00:31:59.500 And I think he ought to be held accountable for highly classified information of which they went down and tried to roll up Trump and came up all these phony felony charges.

00:32:10.240 And remember, with Trump's team, they were going to throw the lawyers in jail.

00:32:13.200 Christina Bob, the other lawyers they had, they were going to throw them in jail, all wrapped up in this phony, you know, security, you know, classified information.

00:32:24.780 And what you guys exposed in Biden, it's not that he's seen out, not that he's a hapless old man.

00:32:31.160 It's the highly classified information that is on those tapes.

00:32:34.400 So what are we going to do for accountability on that?

00:32:37.920 So, look, I think, you know, Steve, I think it illustrated both, both that he was losing it, never should have been put up for president and that he mishandled classified information and violated the Espionage Act.

00:32:47.800 He should have to forfeit all of the $8 million profits from his book and anything else he got as a result of that.

00:32:55.560 I think he should be prosecuted, and I think Mark Zwanitzer, the ghostwriter, should be prosecuted,

00:33:01.360 especially for obstruction of justice, because the tapes he made with Joe Biden,

00:33:05.680 where there are disclosures of classified information all over the place, and I've already covered that on your show,

00:33:11.360 he deleted that from his laptop. And then Robert Hurt gave him a free pass for that and said,

00:33:18.520 well, you know, he said that, you know, he was kind of sorry for it. And then we were able to

00:33:26.300 recover the information from the laptop anyway. So kind of no harm, no foul. That's not the way

00:33:31.240 it works. Mark Swannister did not have a clearance. So that's a violation of law. And then he tried

00:33:36.720 to destroy the evidence of the fact that he got classified information. That's a double crime.

00:33:40.860 So there should be those prosecutions. I haven't seen any indication that Robert Herr has done anything that was criminal, Steve.

00:33:49.200 But what I would say is that the idea that he gave Joe Biden a total free pass and that he gave Mark Zwanitzer a free pass is is remarkable.

00:33:58.600 There should definitely be politically oriented consequences for that, for Robert Herr, who I think was just the handmaiden of the Biden administration on that whole investigation.

00:34:07.740 Well, this is why this is why people are so frustrated, is that establishment Republicans is her kind of, you know, manifest.

00:34:18.580 Why is it? And this is one of the reasons, quite frankly, we have such a tough time staffing all the U.S. attorneys who need to be fighters, main justice.

00:34:27.100 there are very few people like yourself that will that will have the courage to be in the line of

00:34:32.980 fire where they're mocking you every day, ridiculing you every day, making sure you can't go back to a

00:34:37.860 major law firm as a partner and make real money. They try to take your bar license. I mean, you've

00:34:42.840 been under the gun, but you kind of epitomize what they're trying to do to people that stand up

00:34:48.180 and her represents the other. They're just going to play along. How do we get a new generation of

00:34:54.880 lawyers like yourself that are not in the Robert Herr mold that just want to go along. And what

00:35:00.980 we've heard with Rod Rosenstein, some of these disclosures, it's shocking. So how do we do that,

00:35:07.020 sir? How do we get more MAGA warriors like your type when kids are going to look, young people

00:35:11.440 are going to law school and say, hey, Clark was a partner at Kirkland and Ellis, might've run the

00:35:15.640 firm one day. He goes to Maine Justice, who's really supposed to take you to be on the management

00:35:20.280 committee. And guess what? He ain't there anymore. And they look around, they go, I don't even see

00:35:25.060 these people at the conservative law firms. They're not hiring him. So what do we got to do

00:35:29.480 to make sure that we can get a new generation of voyeurs and tell them, hey, you're going to have

00:35:34.780 a career when your time in service at Maine Justice or as a U.S. attorney is over, sir?

00:35:41.800 Well, Steve, you know, sadly, I don't think there's any super quick fix to that, right?

00:35:46.280 We're talking about something that, you know, starts with the culture, starts with religion, starts with the family.

00:35:54.400 And so, you know, if people don't have those values, then you can't just give them a one day course and then they're ready to go.

00:36:03.540 You know, I will tell you that the young people that I meet, especially through American Moment,

00:36:08.840 which is really trying to cultivate the harder core young people to get into the fight and turn things around.

00:36:14.820 they encourage me and they do you know indicate to me that they want to be tough they obviously

00:36:20.160 are you know at a much more junior level of their careers in fact tomorrow i'm actually speaking to

00:36:25.520 them giving a lecture to them and so they keep inviting me back because i think they're they

00:36:30.540 they want to get people in who are hardcore like that the problem is that uh there are too many

00:36:36.600 people maybe of my generation so you know it's a failing for my generation your generation steve

00:36:41.900 that do, they're just, you know, interested kind of in the money and in getting along, going along.

00:36:47.220 And I think another part of the problem, Steve, is that the people who are in presidential

00:36:52.200 personnel offices for Republicans, they need to search for this intestinal fortitude. They can't

00:36:59.080 just expect that people will have it. Otherwise, you wind up with people at the opposite end of

00:37:03.580 the spectrum, like Cassidy Hutchinson, who, as soon as some pressure comes, are going to start

00:37:08.200 telling complete bald-faced lies to try to bring down the president of the United States.

00:37:14.740 Boy, Cassie Hutchins, somebody else I noticed hadn't been prosecuted, just as an aside.

00:37:19.800 Talk to me about what you stopped in Maryland, what the Oversight Project stopped with this

00:37:24.100 BS redistricting. Walk me through it. Well, we're in the first stages of trying to stop, Steve.

00:37:32.120 So, Governor Wes Moore in Maryland, as part of these Democrat redistricting efforts,

00:37:40.200 and a response to the Supreme Court Calais decision, in which race-based gerrymandering

00:37:44.840 was deemed ruled unconstitutional, he called a special session, which, at the time he called

00:37:50.760 it, was already late. And then the outcome of that three-day super-rush process was to put,

00:37:57.240 put for November a constitutional referendum on the ballot that will allow Maryland to redraw its 0.52

00:38:05.900 federal congressional districts. And what are they aiming at? They're aiming at taking out Andy

00:38:11.460 Harris, the representative of the Eastern Shore, the last Republican left, so that they can have

00:38:17.180 an 8-0 Democrat map gerrymandered in Maryland. And so we brought suit, we filed yesterday,

00:38:25.140 And we're seeking a preliminary injunction. We'll be filing that very soon to block this redistricting. Why? Because it was completely late. This same session of the legislature on a bipartisan basis, statutes were passed that said, if you're going to put these constitutional referenda in front of people, you got to do it, you know, and give notice of it by July 1st.

00:38:48.180 But the special session didn't start until August 3rd.

00:38:53.180 And so it's way late.

00:38:55.400 It's totally unlawful.

00:38:57.020 And in order to try to sanitize it, even though this isn't the way the constitutional process works in Maryland, they hold out Governor Moore.

00:39:05.540 They had him sign it.

00:39:07.300 And this is not the kind of thing that gets signed.

00:39:09.720 It's just legislative action with super majorities in both houses in Maryland.

00:39:14.500 And then they had him give a press conference.

00:39:16.140 So we are hopeful that we are going to bring this down, much like the Virginia redistricting effort of Abigail Spanberger was brought down.

00:39:24.820 This is the Maryland counterpart to that litigation, Steve.

00:39:27.700 uh jeff before we go uh i want just to reiterate the torture you went through for being in main

00:39:37.960 justice serving president trump doing such a great job to stop the de-industrialization of

00:39:44.000 this nation when you hit it up environmental of course they gave you all kind of other billets

00:39:47.860 at the end but for you to step up and say the 2020 election was stolen and you've got to be

00:39:53.280 very heartened with what's happened lately, except for we prosecute anybody yet. What happened to

00:39:59.240 you? How did they just give me a minute or two for this audience on how they tried to destroy

00:40:03.520 Jeff Clark, who stood in the breach with President Trump, the MAGA movement and for this country,

00:40:09.800 sir. Sure, Steve. So it started with anonymous leaks of Oval Office conversations and main

00:40:18.520 justice conversations on the fifth floor to the New York Times, to a reporter that used to work

00:40:24.880 for a communist outfit in China, Katie Benner. And that was clear for each of all kinds of

00:40:32.220 privileges, executive privilege, law enforcement privilege, lawyer-client privilege. Then that

00:40:37.700 canceled out my efforts to return to big law. That itself costs millions of dollars

00:40:42.980 in terms of foregone income. Then, you know, they sent the Oversight Committee in the House against

00:40:49.140 me, then the Senate Judiciary Committee, then the January 6th Committee, then the D.C. Bar,

00:40:54.780 then Fannie Willis indicted me, then Jack Smith called me unindicted co-conspirator number four

00:41:00.700 in his D.C. indictment. So there is more litigation I've had to defend against. All of it has been

00:41:05.940 fended off at this point. And, you know, trying to recover against Fannie Willis' operation down

00:41:12.400 in Georgia, although that's slowed down. There's only one thing left, and that's the DC Bar. The

00:41:18.120 DC Bar is still trying to take my license. That process has entered its sixth year. And also this

00:41:25.140 year, Steve, to call out my friend and colleague in the law, John Eastman, they disbarred him in

00:41:31.900 California. He is gearing up to ask the Supreme Court to take his case. We at the Oversight

00:41:37.460 Project are going to support that with our own amicus brief. We want to see that reversed,

00:41:41.800 And we're hopeful that if the Supreme Court does that, we can end this barfare and lawfare because all of the people associated with President Trump who showed any kind of gumption and intestinal fortitude, they were targeted for destruction by the Democrats, by Norm Eisen, by David Brock and the 65 Project, Steve.

00:41:59.600 you know when you came into the government you were a partner i think one of the youngest partners

00:42:05.560 in the history of kirkland ellis one of the most powerful law firms in the world you were pretty

00:42:10.940 cocky you know you'd gone to harvard college you had the greatest education you were a brilliant

00:42:16.340 guy you obviously among your peers were so highly thought of then you went through the

00:42:21.380 you went through like joe you went through it you went through the shredder what did you find out

00:42:27.420 about yourself in that process? Well, I was not one of the youngest partners at Kirkland. I was

00:42:34.280 one of the youngest or maybe the youngest deputy assistant attorney general in DOJ's history. But

00:42:41.700 you're right, that gives you kind of, you know, at least there's pressure, positive pressure upwards

00:42:45.860 on your ego when you're in that kind of spot. What I've learned is that, you know, money is,

00:42:51.740 is something, status is something, reputation is something. But at the end of the day,

00:42:57.200 you have to stand after time is over before God and give an account of your life. And that's,

00:43:05.080 you know, and you have to be able to do that with your family too. Those are the most important

00:43:09.020 things. That's the kinds of things I think that we're losing in the country. And that's why we

00:43:13.420 see, you know, people who will, as soon as the pressure comes, they fade, right? It's like the

00:43:18.860 parable of, you know, falling on rocky soil, et cetera. So what I learned is, you know, I don't

00:43:25.060 put this all on myself. I think it's because God has helped. And so to me, it's a story of God still

00:43:33.200 trying to save America. We have to turn to him and we have to repent of any of our own sins,

00:43:39.760 and then he can heal the nation, Steve. That's really what I've learned.

00:43:44.760 Clark, hang over one second. I want to make sure people have all your touch points. Short

00:43:48.380 commercial break. Mark Beal is going to join us next after Jeff Clark punches, and we're going

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00:45:34.520 You know, some of the people that we have on here

00:45:41.540 as contributors and guests and all that could do other things and make so much more money and just

00:45:46.640 have an easier, a more frictionless life. And that's why I so that's why I love doing the show

00:45:52.360 and providing this platform. And like I said, I get the easiest job in the world. I just cut the

00:45:56.080 mic on and have the best people in America and the world come on here and talk about their fight

00:46:01.040 of all that in that pantheon. Jeff Clark is near the top. He's been through hell and still not

00:46:07.640 quite through it but uh he could have done every other thing but he didn't he knew what was right

00:46:12.540 and he stuck to his guns and that's the quality that stick to it in this and courage and being

00:46:18.980 indefatigable uh grit steadfastness everything we call it is the greatest attribute you have

00:46:25.980 because it's upon that attribute that everything else rests jeff clark you're a hero not just the

00:46:32.540 show you're beloved by this audience where do people catch up with you stay on top of your work

00:46:36.540 and keep up with your daily activities.

00:46:40.200 Thank you, Steve.

00:46:41.180 That's, you know, very, very heartwarming coming from you and the audience.

00:46:45.960 So people can follow me at JeffClarkUS on X and on Getter.

00:46:50.820 And then Truth Social, it is RealJeffClark.

00:46:54.420 And then you should definitely follow the activities of the Oversight Project. 0.95

00:46:59.220 We're really, you know, kicking ass and taking off.

00:47:03.060 And that's itsyourgov.org, I-T-S-Y-O-U-R-G-O-V dot O-R-G. 0.92

00:47:11.280 No, the oversight, Mike Howell, the guy that founded OverHeritage yourself, nothing but fighters.

00:47:16.660 Thank you, brother. Thank you for taking a Saturday morning and joining us.

00:47:21.120 Thank you, Steve.

00:47:24.140 Another guy that fits his description is Mark Beal, a head of the AI Policy Network, could do so much other,

00:47:29.620 could go work for the oligarchs, of which they want to hire all the people that are opposing them

00:47:35.100 because they're the best out there pound for pound. Mark, I've got about five or six minutes here.

00:47:40.040 We're going to go to break in the top of the hour. I've got a bigger segment. But the last 72 hours

00:47:44.820 is reinforced to me the last five or six years, and we got Joe Allen on here and put all these

00:47:52.360 resources and had this fight, that not only we're on the right side of this, we're on the right side

00:47:59.060 of this before it happens at the right moment when you need to be. The containment story that

00:48:05.700 gets deeper and deeper and scarier every day, the Axios story where the heads of the frontier labs

00:48:13.720 are all talking to Axios about we're approaching the singularity if we're not already in the

00:48:19.060 beginning stages of it. And then the story, you know, and they also say the biggest fear they

00:48:23.260 have is the pathogen fear. And the coming out right on top of that is what happened at Stanford

00:48:28.900 university where i think they've created at least one but i think a suite of 16 viruses pathogens

00:48:36.280 that have never been that are not from nature uh what the last 72 hours has just been a blockbuster

00:48:42.540 about yes the potential but also the the danger that's in our face right now of out of control

00:48:51.460 artificial intelligence your thoughts sir the science fiction movie is no longer a science

00:48:57.240 fiction movie it's here time now we have AI agents of untold numbers we have no

00:49:03.120 idea how many of them roaming around the internet committing felonies breaking

00:49:06.780 into other people's companies social engineering attacks on other human

00:49:11.120 beings and the response from DC has been a little muted it's it's a little

00:49:16.560 shocking to me that these things are now happening and the government hasn't

00:49:21.180 sort of been a more assertive actor in some of this stuff but clearly we are in

00:49:26.000 new paradigm now. I'm sure you probably saw that 1,300 or so of these company employees

00:49:31.820 signed a letter urging the government to work with them on an international way to basically

00:49:37.500 pace AI development so these companies can be relieved of some of the competitive pressure

00:49:41.960 and take the time that they need to do the safety and security pieces. Of course, we're

00:49:45.620 going to need to talk to the Chinese about that because America can't do that unilaterally.

00:49:50.080 But this is a growing issue of importance. It's going to be probably top of mind for

00:49:54.940 the president when she visits D.C. next month on September 24th, and there's a lot of policy

00:50:01.000 work that has to happen against the backdrop of this technology moving incredibly fast.

00:50:06.940 But, you know, there's, I think it was on, I think it was Jake Sherman's interview yesterday

00:50:13.060 with the president. He's sitting there going about the controls because I think he's totally

00:50:17.140 misinformed by the people around him. And I hold this, I hold the people around him for accountable.

00:50:21.300 he doesn't seem he doesn't i don't think quite understands or at the level of how dangerous we 0.63

00:50:28.680 are in this like you said the last 72 hours it's not these that the agentic ai is out creating

00:50:37.320 felonies think about that creating felonies all the time and the scary thing when you look at

00:50:41.980 this containment story the more we peel back layer by layer and more people are coming out

00:50:47.280 the depth of what artificial intelligence did to break containment and to hide it from their

00:50:54.840 human overlords, it is breathtaking. I mean, even if you just have a basic understanding of it,

00:51:00.020 what it did, the hundreds of thousands of moves it had to make, it was essentially, I think,

00:51:06.960 almost like conscience, conscious of the fact that they didn't want the humans. In fact,

00:51:12.240 they were trying to avoid the humans. I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Because it's,

00:51:16.020 But we're now, this is accelerating at an accelerating rate.

00:51:20.980 And very quickly, you're not going to have the option.

00:51:24.740 You're not going to have the option to control it, sir.

00:51:28.240 I mean, you're right.

00:51:29.240 I mean, this thing is moving so fast.

00:51:31.540 And, you know, the War Room Posse and you, Steve, have been outspoken on this issue for a number of years now.

00:51:36.820 And I think a lot of people were able to sort of say, well, no, that stuff is theoretical.

00:51:40.660 It's probably not going to happen.

00:51:41.760 Well, now here it is happening as predicted.

00:51:43.800 did.

00:51:44.800 And looking around the corner, if the government doesn't get a little more assertive in this,

00:51:50.040 you could see a whole potential set of horrible outcomes that is going to set us back even

00:51:56.740 further on the innovation side if we don't get our arms around this immediately.

00:52:00.920 I think the President has an ace in the hole in his Secretary of the Treasury.

00:52:04.280 Mr. Besant is clearly tracking a lot of these issues.

00:52:09.240 Of course, he's got a lot on his agenda in terms of economics.

00:52:12.460 But, you know, this is one that he saw with Mythos back in April when Mythos could empty out bank accounts.

00:52:18.040 He saw the threat to American financial institutions and took coordinated action.

00:52:22.460 And now the big thing looking around the corner for the posse to understand is that these companies are on the verge of a process called recursive self-improvement.

00:52:30.880 And that's a process by which the AI then makes the next version.

00:52:33.820 Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I'm going to leave a cliffhanger.

00:52:36.380 I'm going to leave a cliffhanger because you're going to stick around and be with us through the break.

00:52:43.720 The machine itself can improve itself without any human interactions.

00:52:52.240 In fact, I would argue if you actually look what's happening, they don't want human interaction.

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Bannon's War Room - August 08, 2026

Episode 5575： Where We Stand On The Economic World Stage

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