00:01:42.280It's just not going to be good enough anymore because we are in this.
00:01:46.620As I said, I gave you the interview the other day.
00:01:48.680This is not a commercial situation anymore.
00:01:51.720This is a national security situation. When I said about it,
00:01:54.820give you another task and purpose to save your country yo on your shoulders i think is to save
00:02:00.620our species and i don't say that lightly and not trying to stroke your ego this is what the reason
00:02:07.000we said transhumanism years ago with joe because remember we took the top five or six things out
00:02:13.000of the made in china 2025 you know quantum uh computing advanced chip design uh crisper and
00:02:19.880you know gene splicing regenerative robotics and at the top of that was artificial intelligence
00:02:25.260and artificial general intelligence and now they're telling axios the ceos that on that lane
00:02:32.380that is artificial intelligence they believe they're entering the first stages of uh the
00:02:39.320singularity so mark you were just about to explain what that means and and how so take number two
00:02:46.400pencils out and write this one down because you're gonna hear a lot more about it and yes it is going
00:02:51.200to change your life and unfortunately unless we get a grip on it it may end your life mark beal
00:02:59.580what do you got you know i know there's this temptation that some of this sounds scary and
00:03:05.580sci-fi like and unfortunately this is the world we now find ourselves in and the critical issue is
00:03:11.100that we don't understand what happens once they light off this process the companies let off this
00:03:15.600process called recursive self-improvement. This RSI, as it's known, is when an AI model builds
00:03:21.160the next version of itself. And there could be some constraints and some ways that this doesn't
00:03:26.020go in basically an explosion, but some people are thinking that this could be like a nuclear
00:03:30.780chain reaction, the endpoint at which we simply do not know. And that is creating a lot of anxiety
00:03:36.020among the companies and the labs themselves. And remember, what you need to be really good at AI
00:03:40.360research, you need good research taste, you need to be really good at math, and you need to be
00:03:44.740really good at coding. And just last week, one of the open AI models cracked 10 open problems
00:03:50.300in advanced mathematics and frontier computer science that had been stumping humans now for
00:03:55.940decades. Four of those problems were considered fields metal-worthy breakthroughs. And that's why
00:04:02.640the singularity discussion is now on the table. If an AI can do this well at math, this well at
00:04:08.040software engineering, and it can do AI research in a superhuman way, it's going to be able to
00:04:13.000take control almost like digital gain of function you know like in biology when
00:04:17.980researchers like increase the lethality or transmissibility of these viruses
00:04:22.240that's called gain-of-function research well in a similar way we have digital
00:04:25.540gain-of-function research going on right now with this RSI process recursive
00:04:29.560self-improvement and the government's flying blind it has no clue what's going
00:04:34.120on with this as far as I can tell they're not talking publicly about their
00:04:38.500understanding of their assessment of these threats and right now the only
00:04:42.640thing we have is this private voluntary agreement where some company is just telling the government
00:04:47.200some information we don't really know yet. But at the end of the day, I think this is going to be,
00:04:51.240this is here now. It's obviously going to be an increasingly important political issue.
00:04:55.720I think Republicans got to be leaders in this. Otherwise, we're going to get destroyed on the
00:04:59.540campaign trail. And the Democrats are going to put this on our lap that we dropped the ball when
00:05:04.620we were in charge here. So President Trump's leadership is needed now perhaps more than ever.
00:05:09.480I want to connect some dots. I want to go back to the 1,300 employees and the recursive self-improvement. This is where artificial intelligence is writing its own code to improve itself, right? This is how you get to artificial general intelligence.
00:05:29.440The 1,300 people from the companies that are – it's a cry for help.
00:05:34.480They're saying if we – you've got to help us out here because we can take away the competitive nature inside these companies where they're looking the other way as far as safety protocols go.
00:06:39.960We have to both get our arms around how we pace this technology so we can build it responsibly.0.94
00:06:44.080And we have to make sure China is is is suppressed long enough for us to figure out some of these big safety pieces.0.84
00:06:51.900You know, right now, if there's one thing suppressing, suppressing a China, the suppression of China, we're the leaders of the anti-CCP movement.0.90
00:06:59.940We have an answer. Nobody goes to university in this country.0.89
00:07:02.800You get all the Chinese nationals out of the lab. You cut off 100 percent of the equity, 100 percent of the debt.1.00
00:07:08.300You take away the entire ecosystem, and most importantly, you 1,000% restrict any ability of them to get the most advanced chips, including the black market where we're looking the other way.0.70
00:07:21.220This is so phony because it's only an issue because the oligarchs continue to profit off creating a thriving artificial intelligence ecosystem with the Chinese Communist Party.0.55
00:08:59.780Back from the northern tip of Utah, near the Idaho border, which is sort of ground zero now in this national debate.
00:09:05.780And it's all because of this audacious proposal from a celebrity investor.
00:09:09.860Originally, he wanted to develop a piece of land twice the size of Manhattan.
00:09:13.980It's now been scaled back to only the size of Manhattan into what would be basically the world's biggest, one of the world's biggest data centers.
00:09:21.200But he never quite predicted the backlash he'd see.
00:09:29.780At the northernmost edge of Utah, miles from anywhere, sits a vast no-man's land.
00:09:40.240An unspoiled expanse in Box Elder County, which could soon be the site of one of the biggest data centers on the planet.
00:10:04.820Some career politicians have already been toppled, and all before a single piece of dirt has been moved.
00:10:12.040So we're going to go straight to last, and then we'll veer south.
00:10:15.180We wanted to understand the debate over the proposal in Utah's Hansel Valley, so we met up with Dr. Robert Davies.
00:10:21.620A physicist and a professor at Utah State University, he's emerged as one of the leading critics of something called Project Stratos.
00:10:30.800As proposed, this particular project would utterly transform this entire landscape.
00:10:36.620The original proposal, approved with no public comment by a little-known state agency in May,
00:10:41.880would develop three chunks of land totaling 40,000 acres at the northern tip of the Great Salt Lake.
00:10:48.160That's the size of more than two Manhattans.
00:10:51.260After public outrage, project developers cut the plan in half.
00:10:54.720But Davey says the scope, up to 9 gigawatts, is still impossible even to fathom.
00:11:01.560And that's going to use 9 billion watts of power.
00:11:04.520That's the energy consumption rate of 40,000 Walmart supercenters.
00:11:08.860We could be talking about 10 or 12 degrees of Fahrenheit temperature change across this.
00:11:16.280Okay, we're going to play that over the weekend so you see it all.
00:11:20.420It's pretty amazing. But it is, you know, I talked to the team up in Michigan.
00:11:25.800The number one thing up there is data centers. What Abbott's done in Texas, approving all these is now getting blowback.
00:11:31.960He's kind of put a moratorium. So I'll be analysis in the governor's race in on the Republican primary.
00:11:37.680Mark Beal, number one issue data centers. Where do we stand with this, particularly given a Republican perspective?
00:11:44.820If we see this issue to the left, we're going to get blown out everywhere. Right.
00:11:49.280But I'd even make an argument that even Andy Ogles, although that was about environmental, these billionaires coming in from San Francisco, you've got to be at the forefront of data centers.
00:11:57.680The American people are just not going to have their electricity go up.
00:12:01.840They don't care about the lives of the oligarchs.
00:12:04.100The aquifers and the rivers drained and also these things sitting there humming in these agricultural communities.
00:12:13.840You know, they didn't want any rules of the road on AI for so long, and there's limited trust between the public and this industry.
00:12:22.680And now this industry is sort of ham-fistedly walking around local communities trying to build these big data centers and not doing the normal local engagement.
00:12:31.520I mean, one version of this story, Steve, is, you know, these are billions of dollars flowing into local communities, like places like Georgia.
00:12:38.440You know, rural health care is a really big, important issue for Georgia.
00:12:42.060You know, the governor could, you know, if he had the support, could probably get a decent amount of that money coming from data centers into health care for those citizens.
00:12:51.400And there's a win-win situation to be had here.
00:12:53.680But the negotiations and the methods of this industry have been so ham-fisted that now there's this gigantic public backlash.
00:13:00.920And, of course, there is legitimate evidence that China and Russia propaganda are behind some of this sentiment.
00:13:06.820But just like we know with the Soviet Union, you know, these guys can't make up an issue out of whole cloth, these foreign influence operations.
00:13:13.780They always seize on a real issue that Americans actually care about.0.52
00:13:16.400And this is an issue that they actually are going to care about.
00:13:19.380And if we don't get the guardrails right, and we do this and we see this in the polling.
00:13:22.360Like when you have guardrails on AI, support for data center goes up by like 19 percent in the polling.
00:13:27.560So there is a path out of the woods here because in some real respects under President Trump's leadership, we are reindustrializing the United States and preparing for the 21st century.
00:13:35.520And this is some of the infrastructure that we're going to need.0.91
00:13:37.840But we can't be stupid about how we're going about it.
00:13:40.160And part of that equation has to be getting our arms around these AI guardrails so the public can have confidence that the government's doing what it's supposed to be.
00:17:47.380The guy that ran the D.C. court, one of the guys that had been there 50 years about to retire, said, Mr. Bannon, my entire time running this court, the logistics of it, one of the operations guy says, I don't ever remember having a misdemeanor tried.
00:18:00.820We'll see what happens with Dr. Fauci, a mass murderer.
00:18:10.040You guys go to jail for four months for doing absolutely nothing.
00:18:14.340And then here's a guy, Dr. Fauci, who has done something and he basically has admitted to it in his journals, you know, in his diary, in his personal emails, in his texts, you know, that that he knew what was going on and the steps that he took and the mistakes that he made resulted in millions of deaths.
00:18:38.420And then he came and he made just a mockery of the Congress of this country, where he goes in
00:18:44.240there and he refuses to answer anything. So, you know, how is it any different than him not showing
00:18:50.280up? He goes in there and he won't tell the American people the color of his tie. He won't
00:18:56.240admit to anything that he's done wrong. And so, you know, Rand Paul has been working day and night
00:19:02.040for months and months and months to hold him accountable.
00:19:06.640And I think that what was accomplished this week
00:19:09.720was really epic because everybody in the country
00:19:19.620who is focused on his own fame, on his own glory.
00:19:23.220In his journals, when thousands of people are dying,
00:19:26.540he's talking about how many TV shows he went on,
00:19:29.080about how powerful he is, about the friends that he has. So it's just an outrage. And so Senator
00:19:36.280Rand Paul has been working to bring him to justice. And what he's accomplished is he got the truth
00:19:43.620out. And we won't fund this kind of research anymore, because it's too public now. So we
00:19:50.720can't let anybody do this kind of thing in this country ever again. They can't force people to
00:19:57.160vaccinate, force people to make, you know, to wear masks, prevent people from going to work,
00:20:02.360from going to church, from seeing their loved ones in hospitals. You know, so Dr. Fauci lied
00:20:09.140day after day to the American public. And he was able to successively kind of control
00:20:15.340what millions of people thought, what they ate, what they did, you know, what they put into their
00:20:21.080bodies, you know, what they believed, how they worshiped. So, you know, just incredible power
00:20:28.420given to this terrible villain. And now everybody has seen that. And some people don't recognize
00:20:36.080what they've seen. And Dana Bash, you know, gets on CNN with Bobby Kennedy, and she says,
00:20:41.740oh, the things that Bobby Kennedy did resulted in people dying, you know, that vaccines really
00:20:48.300are just always safe and effective, that a whole class of pharmaceutical products,
00:20:53.580the most criminal organizations in the history of the world, that they're just always safe.
00:20:59.820And we're supposed to believe that. But look at what Dana Bash actually said. She said they're
00:21:05.420the most tested products of any products in the history of mankind. Now, if that's true,
00:21:11.100true. She's on CNN. She's an anchor on CNN. Why not just post all of those incredible studies
00:21:18.540on CNN.com? But she didn't do that because they don't exist. So she's there, like Dr. Fauci,0.98
00:21:26.000lying to the American public, vilifying Bobby Kennedy. And what is Bobby Kennedy doing?
00:21:31.920You know, I've said this before, but it's so clear. He's not looking to get more famous.
00:21:37.000He's not looking for more power. He didn't make more money. The real Anthony Fauci sold 1.4 million copies. He didn't earn a penny on that. He donated everything. He assigned the contract to Children's Health Defense because he believed in the great work that they do.
00:21:54.160So, you know, so much of what people believe is just a lie. And we're seeing that now. We're seeing the bold, sweeping, decisive actions of an administration that has a lot of work to do and has a lot of people trying to hold them back in a deep state that's dedicated to protecting, you know, big oligarchs, big corporations that are making billions of dollars at our expense.
00:22:20.220But the progress, the cultural progress is just unprecedented because we've seen that everybody in America, their ideas are changing.
00:22:30.620The way they view food, pesticides, vaccines, drugs, they are changing.
00:22:36.680And the realization that people are having that we live in a country where you can commit such horrible criminal acts and actually get away with it.
00:25:17.520that they have an obligation to the American public
00:25:21.700And that this obligation is to watch these companies carefully and to not allow them, not allow these oligarchs to control us and to poison us and to lie to us.
00:25:35.140And if that can get through, the polling shows just overwhelmingly that almost everybody in this country believes that we deserve to have healthier food in schools.
00:25:48.300We deserve to have healthier food in hospitals.
00:25:51.540We deserve to have medical schools that teach people about nutrition.
00:25:55.700Because everybody knows that it's simple how you get healthier.
00:26:04.240You avoid pharmaceutical products. You don't trust the censorship and the propaganda and the lies
00:26:11.200that are trying to make you hungry and addicted and sick. And you take care of yourself. You get
00:26:20.240out into the sun. You question authority. And you follow alternative therapies. And you look at all
00:26:29.240of the different options. And so, you know, you look at what's happened in all kinds of areas.
00:26:35.180I mean, look at the three books. Look at these three books that came out. There's Dr. Fauci's
00:26:40.560own book called On Call. This book sold less than one-tenth what Bobby Kennedy's book sold,
00:26:47.720and yet it was a number one bestseller, number one New York Times bestseller.
00:26:52.000Then you've got Jill Biden's book. That sold about 3%, 3% of the copies that the real Anthony Fauci sold. And that was a number one bestseller.
00:27:05.780So in just every area, they played this cultural war to convince us of things that we now know
00:27:14.060aren't true. And if you want to rebuild trust, you have to go after those things, continue to go
00:27:21.900after Dr. Fauci, continue to right the wrongs that have been caused. And we probably need
00:27:30.160to come out really strongly before the midterms
00:31:17.880Tony, I'm going to do the Make America Healthy Again.
00:31:20.340I want you to give that because you're the leader of that entity
00:31:23.600and a great supporter of Secretary Kennedy
00:31:26.580and everything we do on Make America Healthy Again.
00:31:28.360But we've got a very special guest who's going to join us,
00:31:30.460carved out some time this morning, Eric Metaxas.
00:31:33.080this audience has loved and supported this book since he's had no hits on fox and i'm not sure
00:31:38.560he had a hit on newsmax but it's really been warm and other shows like that and really going around
00:31:43.160eric doing the tough work just going around you know to these events to book signings to all of it
00:31:48.220and uh shaking hands and selling books why is barnes and noble in a time when the retail book
00:31:55.380business needs bestsellers why do you go and give me photographs on the on the union square
00:32:03.000flagship in manhattan you know down there near greenwich village soho all of it they're so well
00:32:09.360read they're so smart the new yorkers always want to be on the new hot thing we've got a book that
00:32:14.680that eight of the last nine weeks has been on the new york times bestsellers including number two
00:32:20.000week after week after week you go in barnes and noble you got all these ephemeral books nobody
00:32:25.320buys including joe biden and uh and all this crap and yet you can't find in stock a revolution by
00:32:34.040eric metaxas why is that why are they giving up cash flow they they need like mother's milk right
00:32:39.640now why are they giving up cash flow of a book that's written like a novel that people will
00:32:46.100take to the beach and get so immersed in it, they won't understand when the tide comes up on their
00:32:49.900blanket. Why is that, Tony Lyons? Because we are in the midst of a culture war. And what's happening
00:32:56.580is that, you know, Bobby Kennedy writes the real Anthony Fauci about, you know, telling the truth
00:33:01.980about what's going on with public health, and he's called dangerous. And then Eric Metaxas writes
00:33:07.520just a brilliant book, a historic, epic book, 640 pages on the revolution, you know, on the glory
00:33:15.740of the brave people who fought the revolution. And that, I guess, makes him dangerous.
00:33:21.800You know, to tell the truth about this country, to glorify what's great about this country,
00:33:27.740that's dangerous too. And, you know, people want to read Eric's book. People want to read books
00:33:35.540about the giants who fought the revolution, you know, fought for our freedom. And these people,
00:33:41.440These newspapers, these magazines, these privately owned bookstores all around the country, and Barnes & Noble, they want to censor everything that celebrates this country.
00:38:57.100They don't care how they get the power.
00:38:59.140And so, you know, we want to see justice.
00:39:01.740And so I think we need to be inspired by these stories of the past.
00:39:05.140And, I mean, I reread my own book sometimes and I laugh.
00:39:07.920Some of these stories are hilarious, which is why I put them in the book.
00:39:10.880You know, I didn't make them funny. They were funny. But I said, I got to tell this story. I got to tell that story because there's something delightful about seeing the villains get their comeuppance and to see how that goes and to see their their pomposity and their their overconfidence and how every time, you know, they just like they do with Trump, they they they underestimate their enemy.