Bannon's War Room - August 25, 2026


Episode 5615: 1 Million In Fraud And Prioritizing Pharmaceutical Profits Over Children's Health


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00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
00:00:10.760 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
00:00:17.360 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
00:00:21.140 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
00:00:24.720 like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
00:00:32.540 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save
00:00:40.200 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. 0.62
00:00:47.680 it's tuesday 25 august year of our lord 2026 we're jammed this hour but i want to go back to
00:00:56.820 to ben harnwell let's say we'll we'll uh break down uh as many of the injury room have told me
00:01:03.120 if you got to defend taiwan with nuclear weapons then you're saying it's not defensible uh we'll
00:01:09.580 break that down more as we go this is the jack keen madness in uh in persia where keen and and
00:01:15.500 levin and this crowd are arguing for tactical nuclear weapons there we have gone to tactical
00:01:20.880 economic nuclear weapons are they going to be implemented or not we'll find out it's to the
00:01:26.060 beating heart of the chinese commerce party ben harnwell first off japan and second are our great
00:01:32.100 allies in europe nato we've been paying for their defense i don't know we cleared out the nazis and
00:01:39.160 the fascist in the uh in world war ii people should remember most of the countries in nato
00:01:46.320 didn't help us with the fight like norway and sweden and ireland and we can name a whole bunch
00:01:52.140 most of france all of italy most of the eastern europe spain just don't have some random names
00:01:59.120 of like all of nato except for the english and de gaulle and of course the polish
00:02:04.720 Harnwell, are they with us today?
00:02:06.080 Are they with us or against us?
00:02:07.600 Scott Besson couldn't have been more blunt.
00:02:09.500 And Europe's got the big money center banks.
00:02:11.520 They've got the big financial institutions.
00:02:13.740 They're double-dealing us all the time,
00:02:15.340 particularly the French companies and the Italian companies,
00:02:18.560 double-dealing us all the time, the secondary sanctions.
00:02:21.340 Have they stood up and given us a cheery aye-aye?
00:02:25.300 Steve, you can't bring me back on after Dr. Thayer like that 0.99
00:02:29.240 because I'm going to be a damn squid. 0.98
00:02:30.840 follow he's the guy dr theo just rolled a grenade into the room closed the door and scampered off 0.99
00:02:35.840 down the corridor um um okay so look so italy um you're you're you're uh you're great loyal faithful
00:02:46.300 nato allies and i noticed you go through the list there of your non-allies in the second world war
00:02:51.880 i don't think it's fair to put italy in that precise category right of ireland and spain all
00:02:57.360 the rest of them because italy at least um had the have the italianness to change sides in the
00:03:04.940 middle of the second world war uh i don't know when whenever country's done that before um
00:03:10.220 and i'm not making a value judgment on that because i live in this country and i don't want
00:03:13.780 to be kicked out um i will leave it for other commentators to make the value value judgment
00:03:18.200 of changing sides in the middle of the war to come out on the winning side um but there's nothing
00:03:23.640 whichever way you look at it there's nothing more Italian than that right look so Japan has a trade
00:03:28.920 surplus with Iran of around it's like 117 117 million dollars a year it's basically zero in
00:03:37.360 terms of international trade so Japan's saying oh yeah okay so we'll observe these secondary
00:03:42.260 sanctions of the operation economic outcast is neither here nor there that the primary countries
00:03:49.400 one needs to look at. Obviously, as you and Dr. Thay were saying, China in first position. India is
00:03:55.280 also going to be important. Turkey is important. The UAE is important as well. Those are Iran's
00:04:00.220 significant and major trading partners. To that point, I have to say, this is what the
00:04:07.500 International Bureau is watching with our cynical BDIs. It's the BRICS meeting in, I think, around
00:04:14.420 the 11th, 12th of September, just in a couple of weeks' time,
00:04:17.820 the annual BRICS jamboree.
00:04:21.520 And whether this is related to Operation Economic Outcast or not,
00:04:26.440 but it has come out in the press today that President Xi
00:04:30.700 is sending over a 400-person delegation to India for this BRICS meeting
00:04:36.100 and that he himself might be taking part in it.
00:04:39.040 So I think that might be something that obviously the war room
00:04:42.400 is going to be watching very closely.
00:04:43.880 And I'm not even saying I expect anything significant to come out of that with regards to Operation Economic Outcast, but what I will be doing is checking these, where are we now at the end of August?
00:04:57.020 I think what's coming back to your European allies question, Steve, I think they're going to be waiting.
00:05:04.220 And before deciding how much they want to expose themselves on this, because it has consequences, they'll wait to see what happens in November in America at the midterms and then probably decide after that.
00:05:15.520 So I would suggest at the BRICS meeting, which is going to be a big one, and I don't think Xi himself has been to India for six, seven, eight years, so this is going to be a big visit for him for BRICS.
00:05:28.620 That would be a great signal to the Americans.
00:05:32.340 He goes and leads a 400-man delegation to India for the BRICS because they're the head of trying to get to an alternative currency.
00:05:38.900 That gets back to the end of the dollar empire.
00:05:41.280 but it's two weeks before he's supposed to have a state visit to the united states nothing could
00:05:46.600 be more up into president trump's grill than him leading a delegation to india that's not a
00:05:51.340 that is quite symbolic if he decides to go more than just him palling around with modi uh and
00:05:57.780 trying to get some rapprochement there this bricks uh the bricks have been at the tip lula
00:06:02.700 she that entire crowd of trying to destroy the dollar as a prime reserve currency bent we got
00:06:07.860 a bounce great report from the international bureau headquartered in rome with your beady-eyed
00:06:13.640 cynicism as only you can deliver it where do people go on your social media to get more of
00:06:18.740 it if they like that where can they get more of it um it depends how folks how much you want to
00:06:24.220 be rubbed up the wrong way and and antagonized but i'm on x the unspeakable platform ben underscore
00:06:32.080 harnwell but if you want my exclusive commentary that's on simply my surname at harnwell on getter
00:06:39.300 which is my social media platform of choice thanks steve i'm going to go over and work
00:06:44.140 sharp on my act to see how i can match bradley thayer now put point for point because he's
00:06:49.480 rapidly he's going to wipe the floor with me on social media with with those um with those uh
00:06:54.500 with those suggestions no i can't compete he just not rolled a grenade in he pulled the pin and rolled
00:06:59.200 the grenade in by the way ben's show 6 p.m following our 5 p.m edition uh wednesday thursday
00:07:05.760 friday don't miss it it's on fire some of the best guests and commentary around thanks ben
00:07:10.640 appreciate you sir thanks steve god bless gosh speaking of china and india the bricks nations
00:07:17.740 working to destroy king dollar let's talk about h1b visa i think we got a short clip then simon
00:07:23.880 hackinson from uh heritage you're going to join us let's go and play the clip
00:07:27.860 Arranging government-wide anti-fraud effort, the Labor Department's Inspector General,
00:07:32.880 Anthony D'Esposito, now leading a major investigation into H-1B and PERM employment
00:07:38.440 visas, as well as potential human trafficking cases. Joining me now, the man leading the
00:07:43.460 investigation, U.S. Department of Labor Inspector General, Anthony D'Esposito.
00:07:47.360 Inspector General, great to have you. Welcome.
00:07:49.880 Great to be with you, Maria. Thanks for having me.
00:07:51.400 Well, this sounds very serious. Tell us about your investigation. Are you saying that there
00:07:56.300 is fraud and human trafficking within the H-1 visa program and the program that is the Program
00:08:04.080 Electronic Review Management or PERM system? Without a doubt. And we are going to take an
00:08:09.480 aggressive action, what we believe is probably the most aggressive action against foreign labor
00:08:13.960 fraud by an inspector general of this administration. We've already started to
00:08:18.840 issue dozens of subpoenas. We are going to make sure that we track down every lead. We have
00:08:24.260 whistleblowers, talking about some of the biggest companies like Cognizant, who have been sort of
00:08:30.740 in chatter of issues with PERM and H-1B visas. And we are going to work side by side with the
00:08:38.600 president and vice president's fraud task force to exhaust every lead. I'm going to take this
00:08:43.840 exactly like I did when I was an NYPD detective, and I'm going to give and make sure my investigators
00:08:48.900 and auditors have every resource necessary.
00:08:53.460 Simon, you join us now.
00:08:55.380 We had this announcement the other day by the administration of, I think,
00:08:58.540 charging $100,000 to the major companies.
00:09:00.720 Then you got this.
00:09:02.120 I think people are finally waking up.
00:09:04.120 I mean, I'm shocked.
00:09:05.560 I'm absolutely shocked that someone would say there's fraud associated with the H-1B program.
00:09:10.880 You're the expert in this.
00:09:12.420 What do we got here, sir?
00:09:13.700 The program overall and, of course, these remedies that the administration is coming out,
00:09:18.000 either to charge more money to the companies for certain visas,
00:09:21.280 and also now this investigation into human trafficking, sir.
00:09:26.100 I wrote a really long paper on this pretty recently,
00:09:30.020 and I concluded that on the right, we have two competing interests.
00:09:34.980 And one I called, before I knew I was going to be on this show,
00:09:37.620 the Steve Bannon wing that says, look, America first,
00:09:40.920 why are we giving away our best jobs to foreigners when there's so much fraud?
00:09:45.840 And then we have the other parts of the conservative movement that want that cheap labor, frankly, that want to be able to exploit it. 0.83
00:09:52.280 And a lot of lobbying money goes with it.
00:09:54.520 But I did my first one of these visas in New Delhi, India, in the embassy on the visa line 26 years ago.
00:10:01.060 So in 2000, I was sitting there and I saw a couple of cases.
00:10:05.640 It was the first cable I wrote back to Washington.
00:10:07.660 I saw cases where you would have three Indian guys in California, and they would be petitioning for another 40 or 50 people from India, all guys usually from their same hometown or went to the same school.
00:10:21.020 And I thought, well, how is it possible you have a company in California, and they can't find a single person to work for them, not one black person, not one Chinese person, not one European American, not one African American. 0.92
00:10:32.740 They have to find everybody in India. And I looked into it. The more I looked into the program, the more I realized that while there are some legitimate cases, absolutely, in the H-1B program, there is unbelievable amounts of fraud. 0.77
00:10:44.340 are there because it's by billet it's supposed to be either you don't have the experience or the
00:10:51.920 or the uh education and we've challenged you know elon musk everybody show us this thing's
00:10:58.500 in the millions show us one billet we still haven't gotten a response to that there might
00:11:03.120 be a billet but they got to go pretty deep into something and and so this thing's so obviously
00:11:09.240 a scam why are we trying to paper it up with with you know either charging a hundred thousand
00:11:16.400 dollars and you can explain why that's maybe a deterrent or now these investigations esposito
00:11:21.780 looks like a great guy why is there not just some big movement to say listen we got tons of of young
00:11:29.000 people coming out of uh colleges stem programs they've done everything right their their entire
00:11:34.220 lives. African-American, Hispanic-Americans, whites, Asian-Americans, all of it, they should
00:11:40.360 have the priority for these jobs. Why can't we build a consensus like that? Is the economic
00:11:44.680 power of this, particularly for the tech industry, so powerful we can't overcome that, sir?
00:11:52.300 Well, it is incredibly powerful. Whether we can overcome it or not, I don't know.
00:11:56.280 Honestly, when I was having this conversation a year ago, it was about, can we even try to
00:12:01.340 to moderately impact the H-1B program? Can we fight fraud? Can we at least keep it inside the
00:12:07.600 box? It was originally supposed to be 65,000 per year. And then it was another 20,000 if you had
00:12:13.700 a master's in STEM fields. And then they said, well, because there's a big line of particularly
00:12:18.240 Indians who can't get green cards because they are oversubscribed and they only get 7% per country 1.00
00:12:23.300 per year, let's just let them keep re-upping every single year indefinitely. Basically, 1.00
00:12:27.780 it could be a lifetime. So now the conversation does seem to be a bit more serious about how can
00:12:33.840 we fix this program if not destroyed. I think that's what the Trump administration is trying
00:12:38.560 to do. And I applaud that. They had the $100,000 fee. That was shot down by a judge. I think they're
00:12:44.560 appealing it. But now they have this $103,000 fee, which is much better written. I was just
00:12:49.440 reading it now. And I think it's a much more measured approach. And they're going after fraud.
00:12:53.580 Your earlier, or the guy in that Fox clip was talking about Cognizant. This is a company that's been fined multiple times for fraud. They are deliberately not hiring American citizens in favor of foreign nationals. Why are they allowed to petition today? Why is any company that's committed fraud allowed to petition for H-1Bs?
00:13:13.560 simon help audience out this there's a uh a bunch of tweets out in texas this has gotten to be a
00:13:22.420 major issue like the it department of the texas government is all h1bs now they've allowed all
00:13:27.660 the american citizens to let go but particularly in places like uh dallas and in houston you've
00:13:33.540 got hundreds almost a thousand teachers that are there on h1bs yesterday brian harrison was on the
00:13:39.620 show and said, I think it's Texas A&M or one of the big colleges is putting up looking for an H-1B
00:13:45.820 for the PR department. How can we have the non-tech, the non-STEM, which is totally corrupt,
00:13:51.340 how can you have these other jobs, and particularly governmental jobs, which I don't think
00:13:55.260 are covered in any of these costs, how can they just go out and look for people
00:13:59.640 that have basic skill sets to replace Americans? Because they can, right? If you allow people to
00:14:07.520 do something that's in their economic best interests, they're going to do it. And then you
00:14:11.280 add to that nepotism and family networks. Look, I lived two years in India. It's a wonderful country,
00:14:17.040 got many things going for it. But when my grandmother was born there in 1908, they had
00:14:21.160 about 250 million people. Now they've got another billion and 250 million on top of that. If you
00:14:27.400 look at the articles coming out of India, the statistics are horrifying. If you are a young
00:14:31.400 person trying to get a job coming out of college, good luck. It is incredibly competitive and
00:14:37.720 corrupt. So there's that natural pressure building up and people want jobs. And so they
00:14:42.420 try to find them in the rest of the Anglosphere.
00:14:47.000 Simon, hang on for one second. I want to make sure people are very acquainted with your
00:14:50.740 research. Short commercial break. Tony Lyons is going to join us next in the war room.
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00:16:17.820 heritage. First of all, your family's history regarding India, sir?
00:16:25.300 Well, my English by birth and my great-grandfather was a civil servant. He was an engineer,
00:16:30.760 worked in Bombay, put the first hard roads in the city. My great-grandmother died there.
00:16:35.340 My grandmother was born there. And I've worked there two years and traveled all over the country
00:16:39.500 as a tourist. Where do people go to get your research? We want to make sure everybody's up
00:16:47.160 to speed on your thinking on this because it's quite powerful. Yeah, the report was published
00:16:53.040 on the Heritage website, heritage.org. I'm on Twitter. It's at watchfulwaiter1. And I do write
00:17:00.600 about immigration. I'm not sure H-1Bs, but in my book, The Ten Woke Commandments, You Must Not Obey. 0.98
00:17:07.540 Where do people go get the book? Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Academica Press, 0.99
00:17:13.040 the publishers out of Florida. Thank you, sir. Great, great report. Thank you for joining us
00:17:19.740 this morning. Look forward to having you back. Thank you. This is the number one, the Islamic
00:17:26.420 invasion down in Texas. H-1Bs, I'm telling you, almost neck and neck, giving people a permission 1.00
00:17:33.700 structure to say, hey, you're seeing the collapse of Texas, the crown jewel in the union right 1.00
00:17:39.280 for your eyes. Simon Hackinson from Heritage. Great reports. We'll make sure we push it out.
00:17:45.220 I got a clip. I got Tony Lyons and James Grundvig joins us next about the master manipulator.
00:17:51.420 Great news yesterday. Let's go and play it.
00:17:53.780 CDC scientists who evaded capture by federal authorities for nearly 15 years is now back
00:17:59.460 here in the U.S. He allegedly stole money meant for autism research. Atlanta News first political
00:18:04.900 reporter Doug Reardon joined us live from the CDC headquarters tonight. Doug, he vanished.
00:18:09.280 after he was indicted.
00:18:12.800 He didn't.
00:18:13.680 That was back in 2011, Blair,
00:18:15.360 but it was only just this week
00:18:16.640 that Paul Thorson was brought back
00:18:18.300 to the United States to face justice
00:18:20.440 for what federal investigators say
00:18:22.120 was a million-dollar fraud scheme,
00:18:24.160 money that was meant to help children.
00:18:26.840 That is Paul Thorson,
00:18:28.480 surrounded by U.S. Marshals
00:18:30.000 setting foot on American soil
00:18:31.620 for the first time in 15 years.
00:18:34.440 Thorson, a Danish doctor
00:18:35.600 who worked for the CDC from 2004 until 2010,
00:18:39.280 was extradited from germany to atlanta facing seven figure fraud charges the money was intended for
00:18:44.880 really good purposes assistant u.s attorney steve mcclain indicted the case against thorson himself
00:18:50.320 back in 2011 thorson had been receiving grant money from the cdc here in atlanta to study
00:18:55.760 disorders in children the relationship between vaccines and autism it included cerebral palsy
00:19:02.160 and infants it included fetal alcohol syndrome but instead federal officials alleged thorson
00:19:07.040 used personal credit union accounts bearing the CDC's name to funnel money to his pocket,
00:19:12.200 then submitted fake invoices for the research work. And then he took the money, bought a house
00:19:16.640 in Atlanta, bought an Audi automobile, bought a Honda automobile, a Harley Davidson motorcycle,
00:19:23.740 took out over 60 cashier's checks. According to McLean's grand jury indictment, Thorson
00:19:28.820 quote, obtained over $1 million from his scheme to defraud. He was even on the Department of
00:19:34.200 Let me have it. Okay, this is much deeper than a million bucks. Tony Lyons, what are we dealing
00:19:39.580 with it? This is a huge move about autism and vaccines. Why is that so, sir?
00:19:45.920 I mean, it's a crazy story because Paul Thorson is brought over here as a visiting scientist from
00:19:53.480 Denmark. So it ties right into the H1B1 story that he has no loyalty to the country,
00:19:59.280 no loyalty to our families, to our children. He's brought over here for one reason and one reason 1.00
00:20:05.340 only to prove that there was no link between vaccines and autism. And, you know, guess what
00:20:11.460 he found? He found that there was no link and there were just tons of studies by him, authored
00:20:17.920 by him, where he's the lead scientist on it, where he's determining and the CDC website for years,
00:20:26.460 for years and years was littered with his research proving that vaccines are safe and
00:20:33.120 effective and that there was nothing to worry about. So the question there is, and James
00:20:37.840 Grunvig, who's going to come on next, I mean, he did such an incredible job bringing this story to
00:20:43.940 the public, but nobody did anything about it since 2016. Bobby Kennedy wrote the forward to it. And
00:20:50.480 the question is, should we be willing as Americans to gamble our children's health on studies that 0.91
00:20:57.060 are done in a foreign country by a foreigner, by somebody who's been found guilty of fraud 0.94
00:21:03.380 and theft, who's been indicted, who's on the run, and indetermined that these are safe? 0.92
00:21:10.040 Yeah, but hang on. I'm going to bring on James a second. The million dollars is just,
00:21:15.660 it's his he made it up his research is fake because he took the cash and put it in his
00:21:22.540 pocket right i mean this guy was the go-to guy for all of these oh you know the that there's
00:21:29.000 no link between vaccine and autism he was just feeding them back what they wanted to hear and
00:21:33.240 put the money in his pocket right and that's why they didn't go after him at the time because the
00:21:39.440 CDC hired him to do fraudulent research. They just wanted the answer that they thought would
00:21:46.880 increase vaccine uptake. So just like Dr. Fauci, he was working for the big pharmaceutical
00:21:53.340 companies. He was working for people who prioritized profits over the health of our
00:21:59.540 children. And they knew exactly what they were doing. And that's how it's been possible over
00:22:04.880 all these years to get the worst health outcomes of the 30 industrialized countries while spending
00:22:11.720 three times the money. So this is blind faith and authority, but the authority is the pharmaceutical
00:22:17.720 companies trying to sell us dangerous products that poison our children. You know, it's amazing
00:22:24.920 that last night, Rachel Maddow led with this, Chris Hayes led with this. I'm kidding. Complete
00:22:31.060 crickets over at msnbc because now they're out at james james you've done an amazing job the books
00:22:36.580 the master manipulator you were like uh sherlock holmes or like the guy in uh uh that that refuses
00:22:42.980 to give up walk us through what you found because it was not for you in the ford written by bobby
00:22:48.040 kennedy this thing would have died on the vine what do we got here sir well i'm first on the
00:22:53.140 father of a vaccine injured autistic son he was one of the 5400 cases kicked out of vaccine court
00:22:58.660 in 2011. The studies that Thorson was involved in were some of the studies that were used to
00:23:04.920 dismiss all the 5,400 claims in vaccine court. And the CDC had a massive problem in June of 2000.
00:23:13.680 They had a Simpsonwood meeting that Bobby Kennedy would write in Rolling Stone magazine in 2005.
00:23:20.020 And what was interesting, they had a signal, a clear signal on mercury or thimerosal vaccines
00:23:26.200 cause autism right there's a there's an actual signal big signal and the cdc says well what are
00:23:32.300 we going to do you know they couldn't put a moratorium on childhood vaccines because then
00:23:36.780 the american parents would start questioning things we had to do something so they couldn't
00:23:41.160 take three years off and actually go do some safety studies right safe and effective they
00:23:45.800 couldn't do that so what did they end up really doing they went to denmark because denmark had a
00:23:50.260 historical database from 1968 all the way to present so they figured like well we can go
00:23:56.300 study the danish kids and actually denmark removed thimerosal most of it from the childhood
00:24:01.700 vaccines in 94 so they thought they had a clean data set but they didn't have a clean data set
00:24:06.640 they had a corrupt data set they changed the recording of things so think of uh if we looked
00:24:13.040 at 2010 2025 on births in america you actually have a clean record number of births but not
00:24:19.940 miscarriages. Why not? Because miscarriages in the first trimester is not recorded anywhere.
00:24:26.720 So we can't even get a handle on that.
00:24:32.420 So tell me about this guy. They bring this guy from Denmark. They got corrupt database, but
00:24:37.000 he's stealing the million dollars. I still say the million dollars is, yes, that's one of the
00:24:41.300 reasons they could go get him. But more importantly, he's giving, he's not doing research.
00:24:46.880 he's putting the money in his pocket and putting up a fight and he's the go-to guy for the no link
00:24:52.320 between autism and vaccines right i just want to make sure people understand the scale of this
00:24:56.180 thing because it doesn't get any bigger you know it gets better than this so he had two superiors
00:25:01.500 over him at the cdc one named dr dina shandell that was his mistress they had an affair so he's
00:25:08.560 banging the help you know the one that's supposed to be supervising him that's number one so it
00:25:13.200 wouldn't be hard for him to get CDC letterhead with a CDC credit union bank account with only
00:25:17.920 three branches of them in Atlanta and send, you know, invoices over to his university for them
00:25:23.520 to send money back to that CDC bank account. And that was really kind of how the fraud was
00:25:28.600 committed. So that's one thing. But the person over Dr. Diana Shindell was Dr. Colleen Boyle.
00:25:34.600 Well, who's she? Well, she was in the 1980s, the lead, a principal investigator for what?
00:25:40.860 for agent orange studies in acute cancers with u.s veterans you can't make this up
00:25:45.420 so the congress did what what did they do they gave a seven-year 71 million dollar
00:25:51.840 investigation that the cdc ran not some third party but cc ran this investigation
00:25:57.160 and there were four different tracks on agent orange and the minute that in 1987 that the u.s
00:26:03.620 army says hey we got the troop movement records on the ground and an operation ranch hand and
00:26:10.600 boom, we can actually prove that 0.93
00:26:12.580 Asian warrants caused these cancers. 0.70
00:26:15.120 The CDC 0.99
00:26:15.500 walked away.
00:26:18.340 Walked away two years early and left
00:26:20.460 $20 million on the table.
00:26:22.380 What agency in the U.S. walks away from
00:26:24.500 $20 million? That was a lot of money
00:26:26.400 in the 1980s. So what I'm
00:26:28.420 saying is the CDC
00:26:30.340 has always been corrupt. 0.98
00:26:33.600 She was 0.82
00:26:34.900 overseeing Thorson and
00:26:36.500 Shandell, and they were
00:26:38.380 having an affair.
00:26:40.600 and what is it by the way the room i go ahead go ahead it gets better keep rolling brother
00:26:47.860 we're already getting here i love tony i'm gonna correct him a little bit so the lead the principal
00:26:53.960 investigator for the for the uh studies was was a young phd candidate named christian madsen
00:27:01.120 madsen was the guy thorson was the last name on the study so you've looked at a study like six
00:27:07.900 seven, a mix of dangerous scientists, a mix of the CDC scientists, you'll see Thorson's
00:27:12.620 name at the end.
00:27:13.280 The problem was I got Madsen on record in my book stating Paul Thorson did no work,
00:27:19.700 zero work, nothing.
00:27:22.300 And you know what?
00:27:23.380 That's breaking the protocol.
00:27:25.360 The protocol is called the Vancouver Protocol, and Thorson did no work.
00:27:29.300 Those studies, based on that alone, what I found in 2016, should have redacted those
00:27:34.920 studies already.
00:27:37.900 Hang over one second. We're going to hold you through the break. It's been a historic day in the war room. We've got tactical nuclear weapons being used in Taiwan and naming names on somebody's mistress over at CDC. We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:27:57.240 Tony Lyons on fire. Skyhorse Press. The book is The Master of Manipulators. A lot more about this in a million bucks. Back in a moment.
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00:29:26.860 okay it ain't the million bucks the million bucks is the way they went got him uh it's much much
00:29:37.420 deeper than this and this is why it's a huge victory we'll absolutely know more next week i
00:29:41.980 think tuesday um he's going to be in court tony just frame this for me i'm going to have you guys
00:29:47.560 back on but frame how big a deal this is sir this is an incredibly big deal because the cdc was never
00:29:54.040 going to say that there was a connection between vaccines and autism because they thought their job
00:29:59.320 was simply to increase vaccine uptake. They were a marketing arm for big pharma for the last 20 or
00:30:06.680 30 years. And this book by James shows every step of the way about how it was all about money over
00:30:13.240 safety. And the CDC left these studies up after they learned that Paul Thorson had committed
00:30:19.600 theft and fraud. And they left them up only because it backed their narrative. So when Dana
00:30:26.320 Bash on CNN tells you that there are hundreds of studies, these are the kind of fraudulent studies
00:30:32.420 that they're describing. And Bobby Kennedy has been right about this all along. For the last
00:30:37.760 20 years, he's been fighting, and he's finally getting the truth out there. So he thanked
00:30:43.620 President Trump, said he prayed for 19 years. This is what he's talking about, that we have to get
00:30:49.520 the truth out there and we have to get these corrupt companies to stop poisoning our children
00:30:54.760 uh james uh the book i'm gonna be back on i want you you're gonna go take us through the history
00:31:01.820 of the corruption and incompetence of cdc but where did they get the books and where they go
00:31:06.960 to get all your writings because this thing's only going to get bigger next week when the guy shows
00:31:10.420 up in federal court no question about it steve so you can find the book on amazon.com just type
00:31:16.080 and mass manipulator type in my last name grunvig there it is you could also go to skyhorse
00:31:20.660 publishing tony's uh publishing company and find a book there as well and you can find me on x at
00:31:26.860 james grunvig that's my handle there i am james thank you so much tony tony where do people go
00:31:34.880 by the way tony you know it's amazing the parents i meet that are so dedicated in this have had a
00:31:40.460 child that after they got vaccine next thing you know uh they're autistic it is and the passion
00:31:46.660 these people have and the decades they've put into this is just amazing and now the dom is starting
00:31:52.720 to fall starting to collapse around you and this is one of the great things about having president
00:31:56.860 trump and bobby kennedy over at hhs such a warrior where did we go you've guys got tons of books up
00:32:02.980 about it where they go for skyhorse press to find all this yeah go to skyhorsepublishing.com you
00:32:09.800 know, this is just a spectacular book that James wrote, 2016. Bobby Kennedy was right in the middle
00:32:15.580 of it, wrote the foreword to it. Just an incredible book. And it shows the deep level of corruption
00:32:21.960 that led us to have the sickest children on the planet. We can do better, and we're going to do
00:32:27.380 better right now with President Trump and Secretary Kennedy. Where do they go for Make
00:32:34.220 America Healthy Again, for all the information, reports, everything that you're doing over at
00:32:37.920 the Maha Movement, sir. Yeah, that's mahaaction.org, just an incredible website. I really want
00:32:44.900 everybody to go there. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Appreciate James. Okay, let me
00:32:52.980 throw out Steve Bannon's theory of the case here for the midterm elections. Unless we pull together
00:32:57.580 the coalition that gave such a resounding victory in 24, as you know, being part of the war and
00:33:03.760 posse you helped pull it together and worked every day part of that's the make america healthy again
00:33:08.440 a big part of it is the parents rights movement that is personified by moms for liberty you know
00:33:15.960 who knows this not just the war room posse or steve bannon the left and particularly the smartest
00:33:21.100 people on the left led by the rachel maddow let's have rachel maddow introduce tina deskovitz our 1.00
00:33:27.560 next guest let's go ahead and let her rip at the height of the pandemic um in 2021 a right-wing 1.00
00:33:32.820 group called Moms for Liberty bolted into Florida politics. Moms for Liberty. They fought against 1.00
00:33:38.960 COVID vaccines and mask requirements to slow the spread of COVID. They campaigned for book banning,
00:33:46.440 banning certain books from school libraries. They worked with other right-wing groups to rewrite
00:33:50.620 the rules about the history that Florida students were allowed to learn. Because was slavery really
00:33:56.460 so bad? Moms for Liberty expanded to other states, but their center of power was all 1.00
00:34:02.780 ways, Florida, and in particular, school boards in Florida, where they ran for office repeatedly
00:34:08.480 and won. Moms for Liberty dominated, for example, the school board in Sarasota County, Florida. 1.00
00:34:15.000 They held three of the five seats, and it showed. On the Sarasota County school board,
00:34:21.760 Moms for Liberty accomplished a string of conservative culture war goals. Bizarrely, 0.96
00:34:29.380 that all taking place even as the board chair and her husband, who was the chair of the Florida
00:34:34.180 Republican Party at the time, they were fighting a long series of startling headlines about alleged
00:34:39.640 sexual misconduct themselves. But no matter how weird it all got at a personal level and at a
00:34:47.140 hypocrisy level, with their majority on the school board in Sarasota County, Moms for Liberty managed
00:34:52.660 to pass book bans. They rejected protections for LGBT students. They pledged support for ICE
00:34:59.020 agents, in deporting students in Sarasota County schools. And it turns out what Moms for Liberty
00:35:08.220 has been pushing for all this time turns out to be sort of unpopular with actual voters when
00:35:15.220 people get a say on it. Last week, voters picked two Democratic-endorsed candidates over conservatives
00:35:22.540 on the Sarasota County School Board. It is worth noting that registered Republicans outnumber
00:35:28.680 registered Democrats by more than double in Sarasota County, Florida.
00:35:33.180 But nevertheless, voters have now elected two candidates endorsed by Democrats and sent
00:35:38.760 a third into a runoff right at the heart of Moms for Liberty, Florida.
00:35:44.260 As a columnist for USA Today put it, quote, this win is a great sign for Democrats.
00:35:50.220 While the party often loses sight of the fact that all politics are local, the news that
00:35:54.740 something has shifted. This news, that something has shifted is a sign that voters are tired of
00:36:00.060 the Republican-led culture wars and could be looking for a return to some sort of normalcy.
00:36:05.660 Let me have it. Let me have it. Put a pin in that. Don't lose it. We're going to come back to it.
00:36:11.140 Tina Deskovitz, as you know, nothing triggers Rachel Maddow and this crew over there than
00:36:17.980 parents standing up for the rights of they and their children. What's really going on down there
00:36:23.620 And what's going on with Moms for Liberty? You guys are a powerhouse. What's happening down in 1.00
00:36:28.120 Florida, ma'am? Yeah, I'm glad you still recognize that we're a powerhouse because if you read the
00:36:33.060 headlines right now, we are, you know, we're dying, we're losing our influence, you name it.
00:36:39.620 Every liberal rag is saying that we, you know, all these horrible things are happening when
00:36:43.760 their premise is completely wrong. So in Florida, for example, there was 67 school districts. There
00:36:49.840 was hundreds of school board races, uh, last week. And so they have picked out one, which is across
00:36:55.460 the state from where we're actually headquartered. We're headquartered here in Brevard County,
00:36:59.540 where we started, where I live, where our office headquarters are. And we had competitive races
00:37:04.680 here that we excelled at. And we excelled across the state and our 15 endorsed races. They came in
00:37:10.420 and, um, I sent over to your, to your team this morning, some articles, SPLC as ridiculous as
00:37:17.260 they are right now under 11 indictments they came in with 250 000 and dumped them and they they
00:37:22.680 publicized it um and dumped them into our local school board races here in florida and equality
00:37:28.360 florida came in and dumped in funds and then you have what the teachers unions uh dump in and so
00:37:32.920 it's just it's remarkable to watch the media just spin and spin and spin of course there's going to
00:37:38.220 be races where uh where there's wins and losses but they can only you know they they make up their
00:37:43.240 own storyline let me ask you the the parts of the the tip of the tip of the spear are the precinct
00:37:53.400 strategy folks and the school board and you have well-meaning well-intentioned citizens many of
00:38:02.000 whom have never really been involved in politics and they fight in these races get on these school
00:38:06.420 boards so they get to these precinct strategies the viciousness of both the establishment order
00:38:11.920 and the left to turf you out and make your life miserable is is off the charts however
00:38:18.380 this is and and the left is right is correct and and focusing on these school board races because
00:38:26.040 we would have never had the coalition in the comeback the greatest comeback in american
00:38:32.940 political history from a guy that was buried after they stole the election they sent him
00:38:37.580 exile in mar-a-lago and they buried him and it was a coalition this is not like the comeback in
00:38:43.220 16 where we're down by 10 or 12 points with 100 days ago or 90 days ago but we had the right
00:38:48.800 issues you just had to have some kind of repurposing and reorganization you you were on
00:38:53.200 the right side of the managed decline by the elites this was different and this is why the
00:38:58.840 parents rights movement and moms for liberty is that kind of the tip of the spear that in the
00:39:03.820 precinct strategy were the central beating engines or the drivers of so much of what happened have
00:39:10.360 we lost that intensity because have people gotten on these school boards and been just been uh
00:39:16.800 eviscerated like where do we go forget this story but you know southern poverty law center is totally 0.87
00:39:23.020 corrupt it should be shut down they should be in prison but they're damn smart about where they 0.95
00:39:26.980 spend their money and they're damn smart about where they go to put it they understand where 0.97
00:39:31.780 problems are. Rachel Maddow is no fool and don't think she's a fool. She's very smart about driving 0.98
00:39:37.520 her agenda. And that's why she took seven minutes last night on Monday night to basically crush or 1.00
00:39:44.080 try to crush Moms for Liberty. Do we have the same intensity? We're coming up into a obviously very 1.00
00:39:49.160 important midterm. One thing we've gone around the country, there is seemingly a lack of urgency.
00:39:54.860 Are we seeing that in the school board moms? Are we seeing that in the parents' rights movement,
00:40:00.080 ma'am? I would say there's not a lack of intensity. A lot of things have happened over
00:40:06.300 the last five years. This is our five-year anniversary, by the way. And one of those
00:40:10.900 things is we have become much more strategic. The game has changed since five years ago. We
00:40:17.180 came out the gate and the left, the teachers union, didn't see us coming. We organized within
00:40:22.240 minutes, basically. We wiped the nation of 275 school board seats in one night. And they were
00:40:29.320 shocked. The Washington Post was calling. I mean, the country was lined up to talk to us to ask what
00:40:34.400 was going on. But that immediately triggered the SPLC and others to they couldn't have that. They
00:40:39.740 can't have conservatives taking back school board seats with all the advances and gains they had up
00:40:44.940 until that time. And so, you know, Steve, you've been with us for five years. What they have
00:40:49.140 unleashed on us, international cyber attacks, you know, the SPLC coming after us left and right.
00:40:55.200 And now we're learning about all their corruption to the teachers union. Randy, putting us in the
00:40:59.240 preface of our whole book about why fascists hate teachers. It has just been relentless and endless.
00:41:04.420 But I will tell you, the passion within our organization has not died down at all. You know
00:41:10.520 also that the fracturing that's happening is in the conservative movement. And we are at risk
00:41:15.180 these midterms because people are not working together the way they were in 24. I was on
00:41:19.660 numerous calls in 24 with other organizations, and we were collaborating at a level that was
00:41:26.260 unheard of, I think, in the conservative movement to turn out the vote in 24. And I'm on some of
00:41:31.120 those calls now. And I mean, they're terrible calls. They're not organized. They're fractured.
00:41:36.640 People won't show up because they're aligning with this person or that person. And so I'm very
00:41:41.340 concerned about the midterms, not for school board elections, but at another office, yes.
00:41:47.980 Tina, can you stick with us for one minute after the break? I want to get more into this because
00:41:52.860 i think you're absolutely uh correct also the stakes are so high if you see dsa if you see
00:41:58.680 these kids supporting dsa if you see this marxist jihadist revolution you see what's going on in
00:42:03.560 college it starts in the elementary schools they can't give that up this is why that night after
00:42:10.160 we after the parents rights movement went 275 seats it was a full meltdown by the media but
00:42:16.560 they're smart they understand hey we got to stop this and we don't stop this the beginning of the
00:42:21.480 propaganda machine the beginning of the indoctrination the formation of our youth
00:42:26.440 through the public schools is going to be thwarted and so we got to drill down on this and find out
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00:46:26.580 to make sure that we've got a robust and urgent parents rights movement in addition we have a
00:46:32.660 tactical problem i don't know we're 70 some days away from a quite important midterm where they're
00:46:38.020 going to try to reverse everything what's the longer term view here on parents rights and then
00:46:42.620 what's this, the nitty gritty nuts and bolts on the practicality, what we need to do between now
00:46:48.180 and election day here, ma'am. So you're right. We're 70 something days away from the election,
00:46:54.380 but I was looking this morning, Wisconsin mail ballots drop in 23 days. The election is practically
00:46:59.660 here. And so I just want to say to all of your viewers right now, exactly what I told my team
00:47:04.580 at our last staff meeting. I asked them to take a look at AOC, take a look at Mondami, take a look
00:47:10.700 at Abdul El-Sayed, you know, what do they have in common? And we started throwing out ideas,
00:47:15.980 obviously, you know, the DSA, you know, Marxism, all of the words are being thrown out. And I said,
00:47:21.420 no, they are, yes, but also they're charming. They've got energy. They're engaging. They are,
00:47:28.520 they're connecting with people on a, on a high energy level. And this is not the time for us to
00:47:36.200 fight between one another, to be depressed, to be discouraged, to be the party of, you know,
00:47:42.820 no optimism and no future. Now more than ever, we have got to fight for our children and for
00:47:49.620 the future of this country, because these charming, smiling, attractive people are coming for them.
00:47:55.900 And they don't look scary, Steve. They look charming and attractive and fun and engaging.
00:48:01.640 And so Americans will be deceived if we don't get our act together. And if I can just say one more thing on that, connect with any organization that can plug you in. Of course, Moms for Liberty will find a spot for you anytime, anywhere, reach out to us. But TPSA Action, there's so many organizations that are doing good work that will plug you in on the ground, get you to knock doors, work a precinct, make phone calls.
00:48:26.760 we know that it's not it's not rocket science it's we know the formula to win you need to
00:48:31.600 be plugged into a team and we've got to get these teams working together again like we did in 24
00:48:36.380 the schools are everything i mean it's the beginning when you look at abdul you look at
00:48:42.760 mamdani it's the schools that are the beginning of the formation process and once you form these
00:48:47.620 kids it's so hard to kind of redirect it they they begin the starting of hating america and
00:48:55.040 hating themselves starts in these elementary schools. And the left knows that. That's why
00:49:00.160 they absolutely freak out. That's why Southern Poverty Law Center comes in to fight school board
00:49:05.480 racists. This is why Rachel Maddow makes it such a big deal. In fact, that interview continued when 1.00
00:49:10.320 she brought on one of the people that won. And they're just so ecstatic that it happens. They
00:49:13.980 understand how high the stakes are in this fight over school boards and really the control of the
00:49:21.040 schools, ma'am. Yeah, but I just want to reiterate the deception that's happening right now, because
00:49:26.800 if you really want to look at the the deepest deception, it's when it doesn't look scary. And
00:49:31.600 in my own district right here in Brevard County, we've got a candidate running that's a registered
00:49:36.080 Republican carrying the SPLC endorsement, being endorsed by extremely conservative Republicans in
00:49:43.480 my county. She has received checks from seven different teachers unions. The face of what's
00:49:48.860 happening right now is complete deception. They are coming in with a friendly face and
00:49:55.080 with conservative talking points, and yet they are trying to destroy America at its core.
00:50:02.900 Tina, where do people go for all things Moms for Liberty and your specific coordinates, ma'am?
00:50:09.460 Of course, momsforliberty.org. You can send us messages right there. I'll be happy to plug you 0.99
00:50:14.780 in personally and connect you with organizations if it's not ours, so we can get you to work even,
00:50:19.920 and I hate to say it, even the Republican Party. I struggle with them on so many levels, but
00:50:23.920 they do have precinct captains, and in some places they're doing great work. Let's get you plugged in.
00:50:28.960 So momsforliberty.org, that's our handle on all socials, and I'm Tina Deskovich. Nobody can spell
00:50:34.280 it, at Tina Deskovich on X. Thank you. Thank you, Tina. Great work.
00:50:40.680 thanks steve charlie kirk show is uh next we'll toss to andrew colvette and the team on charlie
00:50:48.620 kirk show right here on real america's voice got poso after that steve uh after that gruber uh of
00:50:54.820 course eric bowling i'll try to do a transition tonight we'll be back we're already packed in
00:50:59.700 the five to seven hours so uh make sure you join us uh we're gonna have naomi wolf i've got uh
00:51:05.400 issues on the veterans fair plus so much more what's going on in capital markets wall street
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00:51:17.520 hopefully scott besant's reply by that time to his mentor about uh he's running a fool's errand
00:51:24.520 on trying to manage the interest rates uh the outside of uh on the bond market one of scott's
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