Bannon's War Room - September 04, 2026


Episode 5642: Working With Allies To Shut Down The CCP


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00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
00:00:10.760 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
00:00:17.360 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
00:00:21.120 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
00:00:24.700 like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
00:00:32.520 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save
00:00:40.180 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:47.660 it's friday 4 september in the year of lord 2026 thank you for sticking around for the second hour
00:00:57.240 of the morning edition of the war room the five o'clock show is going to be on fire we got a big
00:01:01.020 special tomorrow with michael pack doing all the films for the wall street journal uh he'll be with
00:01:06.440 us our guests tomorrow we'll go through all of that big special on monday i'll tell you about
00:01:10.540 later um chris kobach one of the parts of the economic report the gyrosport we haven't had
00:01:17.280 enough time to discuss with the treasury secretary or peter navarre although as mentioned was
00:01:21.900 immigration what that uh how important that is the attorney general of kansas the gray city kansas
00:01:27.760 chris kobach i think the smartest mind in the country about all things immigration will join
00:01:32.880 us here momentarily i want to go to and and records our geopolitical and geoeconomic brain
00:01:39.360 is still riding shotgun with me uh andy brown from semifore and i talked to ben smith the other
00:01:44.280 this piece was amazing particularly everything we're talking about Andy you said that for the
00:01:50.800 United States to confront China that we need to go scale and the only way you said hey look I think
00:01:57.380 the the simplest way to do this is scale is to bring in allies and some sort of I guess consortium
00:02:03.140 on trade as you know in the war room we're the we're the home of economic nationalism
00:02:09.180 we and this is what the jobs report you know everything with the Trump plan is to reshore
00:02:13.620 and return us to be a manufacturing hegemon to actually confront the Chinese Communist Party
00:02:19.480 that way. Walk us through what you're, when you say at scale in some sort of coalition,
00:02:25.420 walk the audience through this, sir. Okay. Well, first of all, Steve, thanks for having me on the
00:02:31.460 show. The most basic fact about the Chinese economy is that it is big. It's colossal.
00:02:39.480 And it is, in fact, by almost any measure, bigger than the United States.
00:02:44.320 So depending how you measure GDP, if you measure it in terms of spending power, it's about
00:02:49.660 30% bigger than the U.S.
00:02:52.400 It produces 13 times as much steel, twice as much power, 20 times as much cement, 200
00:02:58.660 times as many ships, which tells you basically the United States doesn't produce ships at
00:03:03.980 all.
00:03:04.220 China produces hundreds every year, half of global tonnage. Scale matters. Size matters.
00:03:12.680 The Russian used to say quantity has a quality all of its own. Basically, big wins in terms of
00:03:19.540 global power. So the US has got a really big problem on its hands. It is not suddenly going
00:03:25.740 to magically bulk up and forget about China shrinking. It's not. Manufacturing, the economy
00:03:31.120 is in trouble, but in terms of manufacturing, it's growing all the time. The really one and
00:03:36.400 only solution to this is that the United States must match China on scale. And that means working
00:03:43.800 with allies, working with partners to bulk up. Together, the U.S., with its key allies and
00:03:50.980 friends, towers over China. It is one and a half times the size of China in terms of manufacturing
00:03:57.980 capturing output. And that matters for national power. It matters for the military. The first
00:04:02.820 thing I have to say is you have to understand who are your friends and who are your enemies.
00:04:12.200 Let's go through that. When you say in your construct, we're one and a half times bigger
00:04:17.180 than the Colossus that, quite frankly, the West built by giving them access to our markets,
00:04:22.660 shipping all the jobs over there and continue to finance them. In your construct, who is then
00:04:28.040 that alliance? Who are, as you look at it, on the manufacturing and economic side, who are really
00:04:33.420 the friends of the United States? Look, I mean, let's start with North America, okay? Let's start
00:04:40.940 with Ronald Reagan's vision for a unified North American economy, which he saw as a platform for
00:04:49.100 projecting U.S. strength and power around the world. You know, I saw a YouGov poll just this
00:04:56.220 morning, actually, which showed that 38 percent of Republicans think that Canada is either
00:05:01.600 unfriendly or an enemy. Really? Canada? Come on. You know, let's think about what happened last
00:05:09.300 year in April when President Trump launched his Liberation Day tariffs and the U.S. and China went
00:05:16.200 into a tit-for-tat trade dispute, which ended when China threatened essentially to shut down
00:05:23.300 Detroit. And it could have shut down Detroit by denying U.S. car manufacturers rare earth
00:05:30.040 magnets. It could have closed down the entire U.S. industrial base. That is what your challenge is,
00:05:36.300 not Canada. Let's get the priorities straight here first. So it's Canada. It's Mexico as a trade
00:05:42.640 ally. Of course, it's Europe. It's Japan. It's South Korea. It's the countries of East Asia.
00:05:48.440 And look, it's not like the White House doesn't get this. If you look at the outcome of the G20
00:05:52.900 in North Carolina yesterday, it ended with Scott Besant drafting a declaration that essentially
00:06:02.000 named China as a mercantilist power and said the real problem is China and its non-China practices.
00:06:10.680 but that's rhetorical. Something more concrete, the U.S. right now is talking to South Korea
00:06:16.320 about modernizing the Navy. South Korea actually has amazing shipping capacity. So does Japan.
00:06:22.920 The biggest example of how the U.S. is working together with allies is through this Paxilica
00:06:28.680 initiative, which is intended to end the Chinese chokehold on rare earths. These are all good,
00:06:36.580 strong initiatives. I should also add to that working with Finland to make icebreakers so the
00:06:41.800 U.S. can be a player up in the Arctic Circle. The issue with this is that it's ad hoc. It doesn't
00:06:47.900 add up to a consolidated, united front of allies and friends that are really capable of taking on
00:06:55.000 China on its own terms, capable of calibrating, capable of coming up with tariffs, with regulation.
00:07:01.360 um the the the the scale of the challenge is enormous in terms of of the expense but also
00:07:07.920 in terms of the logistical diplomatic uh necessity of aligning so many different countries with so
00:07:13.940 many different different interests together for the greater purposes you as you have outlined
00:07:19.540 right at the start of this program of taking on of countering china's industrial onslaught
00:07:24.760 that is the question facing the united states the big question let's let's let's let's go back to
00:07:30.620 to besan he the treasury secretary started the day on the show he was contributing here for years
00:07:36.780 and laying this out let's go back he this g20 in in uh in asheville was very well thought through
00:07:43.620 by the secretary remember he didn't really have the ai guys they had a lot of manufacturing talked
00:07:48.660 about it in your theory of the case that you put together a coalition and you can scale up immediately
00:07:54.880 to take on the chinese communist party in your theory the case walk us through what he what
00:08:00.880 everything happening at the g20 was kind of almost like a little bit of an outline of what
00:08:06.400 you're talking about what what what happened there that impressed you that you can actually tie this
00:08:11.580 disparate group together around an axle of saying hey we're actually one and a half times bigger
00:08:17.400 than this autocracy and dictatorship
00:08:20.920 in the Chinese mainland, sir.
00:08:24.540 Yeah, okay.
00:08:25.220 So look, I think it was pretty impressive
00:08:27.100 that he got a declaration
00:08:29.440 that was signed off on
00:08:32.140 by 19 of 20 members of the G20,
00:08:35.880 including Russia,
00:08:37.100 but of course not China.
00:08:38.780 China was the dissenting voice,
00:08:39.940 which is why you didn't have
00:08:40.640 a joint communique right at the end.
00:08:42.340 So yes, that was great.
00:08:43.800 I think Scott Besson diplomatically
00:08:45.800 pulled off something important. But at the end of the day, it's rhetorical. What I'm saying is
00:08:51.600 that is good. That sends the right signal. It certainly alerts the US and its allies or
00:08:57.540 US allies to the scale and the scope of the threat. And it sort of galvanizes them to a
00:09:01.920 certain extent. But it is not the same as a plan of action. It's not the same as joint tariffs,
00:09:06.460 pooled resources, regulation that you really require to take on China.
00:09:10.320 so in reciprocal tariffs so is that walk us through give us the punch list again of what
00:09:17.100 you think the action plan has to be to actually do this and do this quickly to get to scale
00:09:22.160 quickly give us the three or four action points you think are absolutely necessary
00:09:26.820 well first of all you have to have alternative supply chains in in certain critical areas
00:09:32.440 without a china out you can't be dependent on china for you know a rare earth so that's a great
00:09:38.120 example, actually a practical example of how our lives are pulling together. It should be possible
00:09:42.740 for the US working with Japan, working with South Korea, working with Germany, working with France
00:09:48.840 and other auto manufacturing powers to come up with an alternative car parts supply chain to
00:09:56.360 manufacture cars that don't rely entirely on Chinese imports. Look, you look at the auto
00:10:04.440 industry. China right now has capacity to produce, capacity and spare capacity to produce every car
00:10:12.260 that is sold in the world. So that is the sort of scale that we're talking about. You've got to
00:10:18.380 match that scale in autos, in drones, in humanoid robots, in all the areas where you can't be
00:10:25.660 dependent on China because of national security. This is a national security threat. And you've
00:10:30.660 going to scale up, bulk up, work industrially, and it will require tariffs. Look, it's going to
00:10:36.520 be expensive. I mean, how many hundreds of billions of dollars and how many years is it
00:10:40.600 going to take to break China's chokehold on rare earths? And that is just one of multiple areas
00:10:45.900 where China has a chokehold. You're going to have to put tariffs on China because the MNCs are not
00:10:51.700 going to go along with this willingly. They're making a bundle by outsourcing production
00:10:54.940 to China. They're going to have to be incentivized. And tariffs are one way of doing that. It's going
00:11:02.100 to be expensive. In other words, China is going to retaliate. They're going to retaliate not
00:11:06.500 against the United States because the US is still big, but they're going to retaliate
00:11:10.460 very strongly against smaller countries. So you've got to make it in their interest to work
00:11:16.120 with the United States. The consumer might rebel against this as well, because it means
00:11:19.920 that the price of products produced with China out supply chains that are not going to be as
00:11:26.020 efficient as China supply chains are going to go up. So there's going to be a price to pay.
00:11:30.740 There's going to be sacrifice to pay. And that is why I say it has to be this coalition working
00:11:36.360 together. And you're going to have to bring them along through persuasion, not through brute force.
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00:12:16.860 Andy Brown, thank you for joining us from London today about scaling up a coalition to take on the CCP.
00:12:24.620 Rickards, Andy laid it out.
00:12:26.460 Is this a national security issue?
00:12:28.900 Your thoughts about this, sir?
00:12:31.980 It's absolutely a national security issue.
00:12:34.020 By the way, I agree with everything Andy said.
00:12:35.880 He's missing something.
00:12:36.900 I'll come back to that.
00:12:38.120 But his analysis is right.
00:12:39.700 I said this in 2022 in my book, Sold Out, which was about the supply chain disruption at the time.
00:12:45.160 But then I pivoted to the broader economy, and I outlined what I call the College of Nations, basically an informal gathering.
00:12:53.080 But it's exactly what Andy said four years ago, which is we would have a lot of onshoring for sure, but there would still be trade.
00:13:02.140 But it would be trade with a group of basically friendly nations, cooperating nations.
00:13:07.280 Certain countries would be excluded.
00:13:08.640 Other countries would be included.
00:13:10.240 He mentioned a lot of the members that would be in the club or what I call a college.
00:13:14.940 So yeah, let Australia come up with rare earths, let Korea do semiconductor manufacturing,
00:13:22.000 et cetera.
00:13:22.540 That works, and you don't have to include China in that group.
00:13:27.560 So yeah, he's absolutely right about that.
00:13:29.540 But Steve, you had Andy Brown, Peter Navarro, and Scott Besson.
00:13:33.060 That's three big brains, brilliant analysis.
00:13:36.000 That's a hard act to follow.
00:13:37.880 But I want to point to something they're all missing.
00:13:41.960 It's the most important piece on the chessboard.
00:13:45.080 No one has mentioned it.
00:13:46.480 And it kind of refutes or undermines their plans, although I think their analysis was
00:13:51.940 brilliant, which is Russia.
00:13:54.280 You want to win the war with Iran?
00:13:56.520 Get Russia, have detente with Russia.
00:13:58.360 You want to confront China?
00:13:59.920 Have detente with Russia.
00:14:01.520 The last brilliant president of foreign policy, Richard Nixon, understood this.
00:14:05.580 When Nixon pivoted to China, it was to isolate the then Soviet Union, but basically Russia.
00:14:11.320 And it worked. Berlin wall fell in 1989, Sevigny dissolved in 1991.
00:14:16.780 Hang on one second. We're going to get you to stick around.
00:14:22.000 We're going to talk about immigration and we're going to come back and talk about this.
00:14:24.760 You're 100% correct.
00:14:26.840 And I think the beginning of this, you did have Russia sign on to this,
00:14:32.340 at least it wasn't a communique, but to what Scott Besson is talking about.
00:14:35.880 You're absolutely correct.
00:14:36.820 the russian people i don't know 65 million gave their lives in world war ii to defeat the fascist
00:14:45.000 in italy and in nazi germany the russian people are our ally they always have been
00:14:52.440 maybe not so much the kgb like the chinese communist party and laobai jing short break
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00:16:14.160 testimony in part as one of the 25 attorneys general who filed an amicus brief in support
00:16:20.020 of the government's position in Barbara and also as a former professor of constitutional law
00:16:24.640 at UMKC, where I served for 15 years.
00:16:28.740 I'll just jump to the points of contention here.
00:16:32.100 The majority opinion in Barbara effectively read out of the 14th Amendment
00:16:36.680 two crucial phrases in the Citizenship Clause.
00:16:40.240 All persons born or naturalized in the United States
00:16:42.100 and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is one of the phrase,
00:16:45.660 are citizens of the United States and of the state in which they,
00:16:49.780 wherein they reside.
00:16:52.080 Those phrases have to be given meaning and not be relegated to mere surplusage,
00:16:56.740 and that is a common principle of constitutional interpretation.
00:16:59.680 Any meaningful analysis of this case has to really begin with Justice Thomas' dissenting opinion,
00:17:05.260 which at 91 pages is the second longest dissent ever written in the history of the Supreme Court,
00:17:10.620 particularly long compared to the 26-page majority opinion.
00:17:15.580 Now, normally you would say length doesn't matter, and that would typically be true.
00:17:19.760 But in this case, it is not because Justice Thomas offered so many indicia of historical intent and original intent in the draft in Congress that went completely.
00:17:30.120 We're going to put up the entire testimony of Chris Kobach.
00:17:33.680 I'm really honored today.
00:17:34.900 And this is how I know the show is working.
00:17:36.560 You got Scott Besson, Treasury Secretary.
00:17:38.640 You got Navarro, the head of manufacturing in the White House.
00:17:41.120 You got Andy Brown, one of the top thinkers from London, geoeconomically.
00:17:44.920 We've had Rickards riding shotgun with us, one of the smartest guys in the world about this.
00:17:48.500 chris kobach the attorney general of kansas as you know been on the show for years uh and i think
00:17:55.320 the single smartest guy about immigration in this country and then you tie it together he's a major
00:18:00.460 brain on constitutional law uh chris thank you for joining us i want to start off by going back
00:18:05.760 to the math on economics one of the things and they never want to talk about this in the business
00:18:10.080 channels and the rhino republicans never want to talk about this one of the central beating hearts
00:18:14.800 of why you've got jobs reports like this, and you see this fundamental turnaround on American
00:18:20.100 manufacturing and jobs and high-value-added jobs from working-class people is because of immigration
00:18:25.360 that you have preached for years, that you seal the border, and then you have enforcement over
00:18:29.480 laws internally on the interior, and things are going to work out well for working-class people,
00:18:35.080 Hispanics, African-Americans, Asian, white working class, all of it, it's going to work out.
00:18:39.380 Chris Kobach, talk to me overall, and we'll get to your testimony in a minute, but overall,
00:18:44.320 President Trump's immigration plan. Where do you think we stand? How's it impacting the economy?
00:18:50.880 And what are your overall thoughts and observations, sir?
00:18:55.040 A huge impact positive on the economy, as you alluded, has a major impact on jobs.
00:19:00.700 When you take out the illegal population from the workforce, and we don't know how many people
00:19:07.540 have self-deported already, in addition to those that have actually been physically removed from
00:19:11.860 the United States by ICE, but we're probably well in excess of 3 million people taken out of the
00:19:20.060 workforce, and that opens up jobs for U.S. citizens. And it also exerts positive upward
00:19:25.100 pressure on wages. It also helps housing prices. One of the people talk about the unaffordability
00:19:30.480 of housing. You hear Democrats talking about unaffordability all day long and the cost of
00:19:35.840 living. But one of the biggest drivers of introductory level housing prices and apartments
00:19:42.280 was the illegal workforce in the United States, the illegal labor in the United States. So it has
00:19:48.080 a massive effect. Then you talk about the tax, the pressure on government spending.
00:19:53.220 The presence of illegal aliens is a huge, huge cost to us taxpayers because you're talking about
00:19:59.260 free K-12 education, you're talking about health care services, emergency room,
00:20:03.480 all kinds of other benefits that are given to illegal aliens. So it has a massive positive
00:20:09.440 impact by reducing the illegal alien population in the United States.
00:20:17.140 If we fully enforce, this gets back, it's a constitutional question. I say, look,
00:20:22.040 if you look at New York City and LA and Minneapolis and Chicago, these individuals
00:20:27.720 running these, and I call them Marxist jihadists,
00:20:30.940 they are bigger successionists than John C. Calhoun.
00:20:35.560 And we have a fundamental problem here.
00:20:37.660 We have federal immigration law that's been debated.
00:20:40.680 It's on the books.
00:20:42.120 And then you have these sanctuary cities, sanctuary states,
00:20:44.680 and really successions are saying, no, we're not going to enforce federal law.
00:20:48.260 How do you, Chris Kobach, as attorney general and a constitutional expert
00:20:52.180 and immigration expert, how is the nation supposed to work through that, sir?
00:20:56.220 Well, we have to have the rule of law intact. And there has been since 1996 a statute in the federal books that says that sanctuary cities are illegal. You can define sanctuary cities and sanctuary jurisdictions, not just cities, in different ways.
00:21:13.920 This one is a fairly narrow definition, but it still catches New York, catches California, catches all of the big ones around the country. And they're just violating the federal law.
00:21:23.720 And you you have to have an ability to enforce that law. The U.S. Justice Department is now under Trump's second term, especially, you know, going after some of these jurisdictions.
00:21:34.320 But these fights are long and drawn out in court. It didn't used to be this way.
00:21:39.940 Let's let's go back in time to 1996 when Bill Clinton signed this very pro enforcement law into effect and signed the Welfare Reform Act into effect.
00:21:50.260 Back then, Democrats agreed that we should enforce our immigration laws.
00:21:53.620 And so when they wrote the law that says you can't have sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, they didn't put a hammer in it.
00:22:00.580 They didn't say, and if you disobey federal law, here's what's going to happen.
00:22:04.300 Why?
00:22:04.860 Because nobody imagined back then that cities and states would just tell the federal government to pound sand and would disobey the law.
00:22:12.280 But that's where we are right now.
00:22:13.500 So the breakdown of the rule of law leads to the breakdown of our sovereignty and leads to the fracturing of our society, as you suggested, Steve.
00:22:23.620 Okay, this gets to the heart of it.
00:22:26.160 When you testify, let's talk about the rule of law.
00:22:29.500 When the decision came out on the 14th Amendment by the Supreme Court, it seemed to me that Justice Thomas was having a cry for help about the rule of law, and you brought it up in your testimony.
00:22:40.660 this decision seemed like it kind of tossed the law out and had all these weird theories
00:22:45.900 about kind of blood and soil coming from england uh anglo-saxon law back then and justice thomas
00:22:53.100 was actually talking about the rule of law so make it make sense for us of where we are in this
00:22:57.660 decision when you talk about the rule of law and something the basic like somebody born in the
00:23:01.740 country are they a citizen or not sir yeah um so i i think this five four majority decision will go
00:23:09.680 down in history as one of the greatest mistakes the Supreme Court made of all time. It'll be
00:23:14.880 alongside Plessy v. Ferguson, which was separate but equal, Roe v. Wade inventing the invisible
00:23:20.900 right to an abortion, Dred Scott declaring that free blacks in the pre-war United States were
00:23:27.980 not citizens. It's one of those big errors. I mean, it is so obviously wrong. There are lots of
00:23:33.200 decisions as a conservative originalist that I think the Supreme Court has issued over time,
00:23:37.980 and I can say, well, you know, I see their argument there. This one is just really poorly
00:23:43.260 reasoned. And let me quickly summarize why. Justice Thomas, which really his opus is just
00:23:50.040 a magnificent scanning of all of the evidence. And when you're looking, you're trying to define
00:23:55.080 what the words subject to the jurisdiction thereof mean, which is you can only become a
00:24:00.080 citizen by birth if you're subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and wherein
00:24:03.860 they reside. And the framers of the 14th Amendment were very clear. Senator Trumbull, I've got a
00:24:10.780 quote right here. He was one of the key senators who drafted it. He said, what do we mean by
00:24:15.360 subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what
00:24:20.120 it means. And wherein they reside, and this is important to Thomas's descent, means you have to
00:24:26.640 have residence in the United States. You can't be a temporary visitor. You can't be an illegally
00:24:31.700 present person in the United States. So Thomas started with the text, which is where you should
00:24:36.080 begin. Then he looks at what the framers of the text, of the drafters of the text said,
00:24:40.480 and they were uniformly of the view that you could not be a citizen of another nation. In other words,
00:24:46.500 the parents of the child could not be a citizen of another nation, and they had to have a residence
00:24:52.480 in the United States. And then you look at what the Congress and what the executive branch did
00:24:57.040 in the immediate decades afterward, and in the Enforcement Act of 1870, Congress, the same
00:25:03.560 members of Congress who had just drafted the 14th Amendment, passed a federal statute that said,
00:25:08.680 you know, effectively enforced the terms of the 14th Amendment and said, if you were born to
00:25:13.020 someone temporarily in the United States, you're not a citizen. So that's what they understood.
00:25:17.560 And then you go on and you look at subsequent Supreme Court decisions, and the Civil Rights
00:25:22.020 Act of 1866. The whole point of the 14th Amendment in the minds of many people in Congress at the
00:25:26.840 time was that, look, we just passed the Civil Rights Act, which gives citizenship to people
00:25:30.720 who owe no allegiance to any foreign power and are born in the United States. But the Democrats
00:25:35.580 could take over Congress and they might just repeal this. Or a subsequent Supreme Court could
00:25:42.040 say, you know, Congress didn't have the authority in 1866 to pass this. They didn't have a
00:25:45.860 constitutional power to do so. So they passed the 14th Amendment and it was ratified. You have all
00:25:50.360 of that evidence. And instead of engaging the debate, the majority opinion just kind of ignores
00:25:56.220 most of what Thomas says. And then, as you mentioned, Steve, goes back 400 years to a feudal
00:26:02.260 rule that said in England, where when you were born, you owe allegiance to the Lord of the soil
00:26:08.080 and says, yeah, this old rule probably was informing what the framers of the 14th Amendment
00:26:13.820 thought. It's a long tradition, common law, yada, yada. But there was nothing in the Congress when
00:26:21.060 it drafted the 14th Amendment. No one was suggesting, hey, we're going back to the old
00:26:25.400 feudal rule here, right, everybody? No. The Revolutionary War, 250 years ago, we're celebrating
00:26:31.040 our independence. That was a rejection of feudal principles of being a subject. In America, we are
00:26:37.120 citizens, and it is a different concept. So it's just so bizarre to compare the two opinions. And
00:26:43.320 we are in a strange situation now where there's a clearly wrong opinion, but not unlike back in
00:26:50.760 when we had, you know, separate but equal with Plessy v. Ferguson or Roe v. Wade. The Democrat
00:26:55.820 Party, in all of these cases, is celebrating the opinion and saying, okay, the debate's solved.
00:27:01.360 Everybody move on now. We aren't going to talk about this issue anymore. But the rest of the
00:27:05.820 country has to say, wait a minute, the Supreme Court made an error here. It was a very close
00:27:09.900 decision. Any serious constitutional scholar or person who just reads the Constitution and follows
00:27:15.740 this stuff can look at it and say, yeah, this decision doesn't make sense. And so that means
00:27:21.520 that the issue has to be pressed. And it is not over because we cannot let an error like this
00:27:27.060 stand. It is a clearly wrong interpretation of what the words of the Constitution obviously mean.
00:27:36.820 Attorney General Kobach, can you just hang on for one second?
00:27:38.940 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:27:40.000 I just want to spend a minute or two with you on the other side
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00:29:35.040 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:29:39.960 Chris Kobach is the Attorney General of Kansas.
00:29:42.720 He's now involved in, I guess, the most expensive race in the history of Kansas in a re-election.
00:29:47.360 Real quickly, Attorney General Kobach, Dred Scott, obviously a terrible decision by Democrats.
00:29:53.240 They lauded it, led to a civil war.
00:29:55.420 What's your action plan?
00:29:56.920 President's written some executive orders.
00:29:58.820 You've got Justice Kavanaugh.
00:30:00.760 What is the Kobach recommended action plan of what we need to do here to sort this mess out?
00:30:06.940 Well, the August 6th executive order of the president is definitely the right content.
00:30:12.320 It takes a much narrower class of people and says these individuals are not granted citizenship by birth.
00:30:19.400 And it refers to people who are engaged in birth tourism.
00:30:22.760 That's an obvious one.
00:30:23.880 They're violating the law. And by the way, China is the number one country where its citizens are engaged in birth tourism, paying billions of dollars to have kids with U.S. citizenship.
00:30:35.160 The problem, I mean, the content of the executive order is great. I think it needs to be a statute, though, to get Justice Kavanaugh's vote.
00:30:42.460 And then hopefully a narrower pass at this issue can get the Supreme Court to correct itself.
00:30:48.660 and we could go 5-4, 6-3 the other way, possibly with Chief Justice Roberts.
00:30:53.580 But right now, we can't just sit on our hands and say, oh, the decision's decided because
00:30:58.980 it's not decided correctly and it was a 5-4 decision, which is an inherently unstable
00:31:03.000 decision.
00:31:03.400 So I would say, yeah, pass the statute.
00:31:05.240 That's what Congress was looking at when I was testifying the other day, Pat, you know,
00:31:08.780 looking at statutory actions that Congress can take.
00:31:13.200 Kobach, why is this the most expensive?
00:31:15.200 Why are they so focused on spending millions of dollars to try to defeat you as the attorney general of the great state of Kansas, sir?
00:31:23.120 I think part of it is because during the last two years, the Biden administration, we brought so many lawsuits.
00:31:30.180 Kansas led so many lawsuits against the Biden administration, and we won the overwhelming majority of them.
00:31:36.060 It was the only states that brought 12 or more lawsuits, led them, were Kansas and Texas.
00:31:40.740 So I think they are still stinging from that. And they also know that Kansas is more pink than it used to, than deep red, which it used to be. And I only won by less than 2% last time. So they think they can take me out and they want to take me out. So it's going to be a very tough battle.
00:31:57.420 where do people go to find out everything about this campaign where they go to find out everything
00:32:03.020 about you as attorney general all the information they can go to your campaign site or the state ag
00:32:07.700 your social media where do they go for all of it uh attorney general probably the best way
00:32:14.140 especially if someone wants to to contribute you know any amount can help uh it is chris
00:32:19.040 kobach.com k-r-i-s-k-o-b-a-c-h.com and and can chip in there would really appreciate any help
00:32:26.040 people can offer. Attorney General Kobach, you're a good man and you're one of the greatest attorney
00:32:32.900 generals in this country. So thank you so much for coming on here. Appreciate you. Thank you,
00:32:37.780 Steve. Thanks for your kind words. Folks, he's a fighter. I want to say something. Garrett Lewis
00:32:44.300 is going to join us in Arizona in a minute. I got records. I'm going right to records right now. But
00:32:48.160 the Treasury Secretary comes on, Kobach comes on, Navarro, Andy Brown from London, from Semaphore,
00:32:54.060 not a right-wing publication why they do that it's not me it's not the great real america's voice
00:32:58.420 partners we have in the team in in denver denver helps to do shows not my own team
00:33:03.440 it's because of you they want access to this audience why because you move the needle you're
00:33:10.060 the most powerful group of populist nationalists ever collected because you're the leaders of the
00:33:15.020 maga movement and uh and when you decide when you make a decision that something's going to happen
00:33:20.400 when you use your agency and that's what this show is about is giving you the content to use
00:33:26.360 your agency people know things happen uh jim records uh i know you got a bounce i want to
00:33:31.820 talk about the special again but just your closing thoughts and observations of what you've heard this
00:33:36.300 morning sir uh well we can start uh steve by putting peter navarro's mind at ease the fed
00:33:42.500 is not going to raise interest rates at the september 16th meeting uh there'll be some
00:33:47.340 inflation numbers between now and then, but they won't matter. They're not going to raise interest
00:33:50.320 rates. The meeting after that, the Fed meeting, is October 28th. It's five days before the election.
00:33:56.420 Does anybody think the Fed's going to raise rates five days before the election? The idea that the
00:34:01.120 Fed is apolitical is nonsense. They're highly political. December, we'll get to it when the
00:34:05.520 time comes. That's pretty far away. But they're not going to raise interest rates. The narrative
00:34:10.320 on Wall Street was that employment report was really strong, which it was. That was real.
00:34:14.620 Therefore, the economy is running hot.
00:34:16.060 We're going to get inflation.
00:34:17.020 You got to raise rates.
00:34:18.320 Futures markets say it's more likely than not the Fed will going to raise rates.
00:34:22.080 The futures markets are almost always wrong.
00:34:24.120 People don't understand futures markets.
00:34:26.100 They're not predictive markets.
00:34:27.940 It's a weighted average of everybody making bets today.
00:34:31.740 And there are lots of reasons to be on one side or the other.
00:34:34.860 But that's all it is.
00:34:35.680 It has information.
00:34:37.960 It's data.
00:34:38.300 It has value.
00:34:38.940 But the predictive value is extremely low.
00:34:41.560 So the Fed's not going to raise interest rates.
00:34:42.940 So we can kind of put that to one side.
00:34:46.920 Yeah, and as far as Peter Navarro, I'm sorry, Secretary Besson, Besson came out a couple
00:34:53.660 years ago with the 3-3-3 plan.
00:34:56.020 He called it three hours.
00:34:57.460 And he said, going back to the debt to GDP ratio, he said, you've got to basically keep
00:35:02.640 the deficits at or below 3% of GDP, right?
00:35:06.500 And you got to keep growth at or above 3% of GDP, right?
00:35:11.780 And if you do that, the ratio comes down and the market will be reassured.
00:35:16.220 But here's what he left out.
00:35:18.120 Growth is nominal.
00:35:19.360 If I owe you a dollar, I owe you a dollar.
00:35:22.320 Interesting whether it's worth more or less than it used to be, but it's a buck.
00:35:25.940 It's a nominal dollar.
00:35:27.460 So when you say growth for this purpose, you're talking about nominal growth.
00:35:32.100 There are two ways to get to 6% growth would do it, 6% nominal growth.
00:35:36.060 But there are two ways to do that.
00:35:37.340 2 plus 4, 2% real, 4% inflation, or 4 plus 2, 4% real, 2% inflation?
00:35:45.520 And that's the big question.
00:35:46.780 They both add up to 6.
00:35:48.120 They both work.
00:35:49.240 But are we going to have a larger inflationary component or a larger real growth component?
00:35:54.280 Obviously, the White House is aiming for real growth, but I don't think the inflation issue
00:35:58.080 is off the table.
00:35:59.200 By the way, that's how we solved it.
00:36:00.640 That's how we got it from 120% to 30% between 1945 and 1980.
00:36:07.340 inflation from 1977 to 1981 was 50 percent five zero so we still have to keep an eye on that
00:36:14.060 let's let's not inflate away however how do they get the special where they go to get
00:36:18.760 strategic intelligence based upon predictive analytics sir thanks steve we have a landing
00:36:24.720 page it's recordswarning.com recordswarning.com our uh we have a long video it's called midterm
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00:36:49.240 we don't tell you what happened. We tell you what's going to happen. Going back to what we
00:36:53.740 talked about in this program, I said in 2020 in my book, The New Great Depression, that lockdowns
00:37:00.120 don't work. Peter Navarro is exactly right about that. But that was apparent six years ago based
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00:37:28.020 money back but you will love it jim rickerts thank you so much for riding shotgun with me
00:37:32.180 this morning on a very special war room thank you sir appreciate you as always
00:37:36.560 reached out to somebody i i think the world of and the very powerful radio voice out in arizona
00:37:44.780 garrett lewis joins us now a show out in phoenix picked up in tucson garrett i wanted to tuck you
00:37:50.480 in here before the end of the show in the labor day weekend because there's a very important race
00:37:55.300 with a guy that the Warren Posse knows and loves, came on here for years, one of the real deficit
00:37:59.940 hawks that spoke so much common sense in the House, but Andy Biggs out in Arizona. But I think
00:38:05.880 you've done a great job. I don't believe people have had a chance to focus nationally on what
00:38:10.940 exactly is going on with Katie Hobbs, who kind of, we believe, still stole the election from
00:38:16.160 Carrie Lake years ago. Can you walk us through the Hobbs administration, what is going on with
00:38:21.560 the corruption out there, sir? Oh yeah, there's a huge scandal. Katie Hobbs, look, I don't think
00:38:28.600 that she really won the election. I mean, Carrie Lake had all of the momentum. She had everything
00:38:34.120 going for her. So when it came out that we were told that Katie Hobbs won, a couple weeks after
00:38:42.340 that, one of her biggest donors, it's a group home company. They're called Sunshine Residential
00:38:48.660 homes. The CEO is Simon Couture. He donated, wound up, he donated $550,000 to Katie Hobbs,
00:38:56.720 to the Arizona State Democrat Party, all that stuff. Apparently, during the Ducey years as a
00:39:02.260 group homeowner, and he's a former governor of Arizona, you had Simon Couture asking to get a
00:39:07.960 rate increase per bed. He wanted to make more money, more money. Kids that were taken out of
00:39:12.360 their homes couldn't be at a home, foster kids, whatever. Department of Child Services would take
00:39:16.660 them, and they would place them in different homes, he'd be one company that would offer that.
00:39:21.780 So he wanted to make more money. And Ducey and his administration was like, no, we don't want
00:39:27.360 people reliant on the government. We're going to have other options. So they always denied him.
00:39:31.560 Well, right, a couple weeks after the election, when Hobbes was told that she won, the outgoing
00:39:39.420 Department of Child Services director, a guy named Mike Faust, he was put there by Doug Ducey.
00:39:43.520 um according to Mike Faust he got a call from Simon Couture the CEO of this company and he said
00:39:50.000 hey I'm hosting an event in my office for Katie Hobbs later I know you want to keep your job as
00:39:54.660 the head of DCS I'll put in a good word for her if you give me the pay rate increase that I want
00:40:00.020 I mean it was a flat-out bribe so this is a whole pay-for-play scandal it was supposedly
00:40:06.260 investigated for a couple years we have a Democrat attorney general she's a huge Trump
00:40:11.020 paid her name is chris mays uh chris mays just a couple of weeks ago magically her office said we
00:40:16.140 couldn't find any evidence of a bribery scandal pay to play we're getting rid of this funny the
00:40:21.280 report that her office released did not have the information about the bribe that was uh was done
00:40:28.100 by this simon couture the head of the group homes um and then yesterday uh the or a couple days ago
00:40:34.900 actually the senate republic is at a press conference but they're just not they're just
00:40:38.980 not media savvy. They just don't get the attention. And they came out and said, we have a second
00:40:43.640 employee, former employee at the Department of Child Services. Her name is Shalom Jacobs,
00:40:47.600 worked there 23 years. She gave a statement where she said, yeah, I got a call in November of 2022
00:40:52.940 for Mike Faust. He was shaken up that he was offered a bribe by this Simon Couture. Chris
00:40:59.140 Mays, the attorney general, said, well, we talked to Mike Faust. He says this happened. We talked
00:41:04.500 to the CEO of the home company. He said it didn't happen. So he said, he said, what are we supposed
00:41:09.520 to do? That's how she left it. So now we have two people though saying that, yeah, there was a
00:41:15.160 bribe made. And again, Katie Hobbs claimed she had nothing to do with this. We know there were
00:41:21.260 events at his office. We know that again, this company donated $550,000. 150 grand went to Katie
00:41:29.000 Hobbs Legal Defense Fund, 100 grand went to her inauguration. Then you had $300,000 going to the
00:41:35.660 Arizona Democrat Party. So you had all that going on. And we're supposed to think that a guy that
00:41:42.240 owned a company donates $550,000 to Katie Hobbs, and by the way, has made about $12 million off
00:41:50.840 that because he got the pay rate increase. As soon as Hobbs put in her own DCS director,
00:41:55.980 he got the pay increase that he wanted so it's just a gigantic scandal it's not hard to understand
00:42:04.160 it's not hard to follow yes yeah we're jammed up for time but we're going to have you back on this
00:42:10.340 thing stinks to high heaven may 12 million bucks 550 000 you got the corrupt attorney general won't
00:42:15.540 won't investigate where do people go to hear your show where do they go online to pick you up if
00:42:21.040 they're not in Arizona because you're actually driving this entire investigation to make it
00:42:27.140 to make the public aware of it. And I think this is one of the centerpieces of this election
00:42:31.300 with the great Andy Biggs. So Garrett, where do people go to get all the information related to
00:42:36.660 you, your show, and this investigation? They can listen on every afternoon in Arizona,
00:42:41.540 four to seven. They can listen on the iHeartRadio app. Just search for KFYI or KNSTM on in both
00:42:47.000 cities. They can follow me on X or Twitter at Garrett Lewis and on Instagram at Garrett Lewis.
00:42:53.200 I put a lot of stuff up there as well. So they can listen live on demand catch shows from the
00:42:57.280 past. It's all there for you. I'm on every week afternoon. Your coverage of this race in this
00:43:03.740 race, I'm going to tell you the governor's race in Arizona with the great Andy Biggs is very
00:43:07.520 important. Very, very important at 28. Garrett Lewis from Arizona. Thank you. The show is
00:43:12.600 fantastic appreciate you joining us this morning thank you thank maria bartiroma got fired for
00:43:20.100 talking about this over at fox short commercial break we're gonna talk about charlie kirk next
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00:46:08.940 uh Ben Burquam's with us Ben we're also launching the pre-orders on the book today tell me about
00:46:15.100 the promotion you're gonna be with me at five o'clock also you were there for the steal of
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00:46:38.040 Tell me about it and tell me about the book. Yeah, no, I saw it from the beginning when they
00:46:44.080 stole the election from President Trump. I was in Arizona when they stole the election from
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00:46:54.400 Charlie Kirk did through Turning Point USA and the boots on the ground across America and the
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00:48:35.900 get it today, ma'am. We didn't want to write a song that ended in a funeral. We wanted to write
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00:49:09.720 iTunes, once again, where do they go get the song today to drive it up the charts?
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00:49:28.660 working through you, ma'am, your agency to write this magnificent song as a tribute to the great
00:49:33.240 Charlie Kirk. See you this afternoon, Natasha. We're going to leave you with the song of Natasha
00:49:38.780 Owens in honor of Charlie Kirk. And that's going to lead into, guess what, the Charlie Kirk show.
00:49:44.780 Andrew Colvett and the team right here on Real America's Voice. We'll see you back here at 5.
00:49:50.600 He made us feel like we belonged. We miss you, Charlie.
00:49:58.660 We still hear your song
00:50:02.140 You said, come with me
00:50:04.700 There's a world where truth is strong
00:50:08.360 We miss you, Charlie
00:50:11.740 You showed us how to see
00:50:15.200 A better world ahead of us
00:50:19.640 Born from belief
00:50:21.700 And imagination free
00:50:25.500 You saw more than one was broken
00:50:30.400 More than headlines, more than rage
00:50:33.540 And you saw hearts that needed courage
00:50:37.180 Not permission from the age
00:50:41.140 Think bigger than the moment
00:50:44.380 Don't let them shrink your mind
00:50:48.600 If you can see it, you can feel it
00:50:51.380 If you're willing to be kind
00:50:55.260 Now the room feels different somehow Like a light still left on
00:51:07.260 We miss you Charlie But the door you opened stays
00:51:14.260 You said come with me Let's imagine unafraid
00:51:21.260 We miss you, Charlie, you helped us all believe
00:51:26.760 That the future's not decided yet
00:51:31.760 It's waiting on the brave
00:51:35.820 If you want hope, just snuggle around
00:51:38.900 Every voice you helped awaken
00:51:42.100 You said the world could be more honest
00:51:45.840 More free than what we're shown
00:51:49.340 So we're building what you saw back then
00:51:53.040 A place that feels like home
00:51:56.640 We miss you, Charlie
00:51:59.720 But we're not alone tonight
00:52:02.720 You said, come with me
00:52:06.480 There's a truth beyond the fight
00:52:10.940 We miss you, Charlie
00:52:13.440 Your vision still runs free
00:52:16.440 A world shaped by conviction and imagination
00:52:22.380 In you and me
00:52:27.700 In you and me
00:52:30.700 When is your time?
00:52:39.140 Close your eyes
00:52:42.380 Take a step
00:52:44.860 It's closer than you think
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