Bannon's War Room - Episode 5667： Advancement Of AI Leads To Superintelligent Takeover Cont

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.480 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.680 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.960 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.880 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.320 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.060 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.260 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.660 Mega Media.

00:00:28.580 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.500 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.200 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.620 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:00:50.040 It's Wednesday, 16th September in the year of our Lord, 2026.

00:00:53.420 Thank you for joining us. Stick around for the second hour.

00:00:55.520 Brian Kennedy is going to hang with me. And Brian's speaking tonight or tomorrow night at Mount Vernon with Claremont Institute.

00:01:03.000 Of course, if Grace and Moe can put out the event we're going to have in Washington, D.C., for the author, Dr. Bradley Thayer, America's 100-Year War Against Communism, books on fire.

00:01:16.020 I'm going to give a talk about the Chinese Communist Party and kind of the populist nationalist solution I laid out yesterday for this situation with A.I.

00:01:24.540 Number one, the American citizens, the American people are not going to be supplicants to these elites that have already led us into a very dark corner. 0.68

00:01:33.360 We're also not going to let them do the jujitsu, which they're trying to do because these are master accelerationists, right?

00:01:39.360 Every time we try to bring up, hey, maybe there should be just some modicum of rules.

00:01:44.020 They just, oh, you guys are Luddites. 0.99

00:01:45.420 You guys are awful. 0.97

00:01:46.280 You're decelerationists. 1.00

00:01:47.180 You want the Chinese coming. 1.00

00:01:48.020 You want China to win. 1.00

00:01:48.900 You want China to win. 0.95

00:01:49.660 You want China to win.

00:01:50.280 We are the heart, the beating heart with Lao Bajing of the anti-CCP movement in the world. 0.77

00:01:57.420 I'm the only civilian in the history of the United States to be fully sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party, and I wear that as a badge of honor.

00:02:05.060 Any discussion, any discussion that takes place about slowing down what we have, and we need time.

00:02:10.720 We need time for the complexity of what we need to do with a basic regulatory apparatus.

00:02:15.340 and at the same time make sure that their shifty lawyers don't lay the liabilities onto the

00:02:20.760 american people and certainly don't set them up for a too big to fail bailout because all of them

00:02:26.220 are not going to make it they're going to raise for they've already announced they're going to

00:02:29.280 raise four trillion dollars collectively in equity from pension funds of working class and middle

00:02:34.320 class people in the united states of america and then they're going to borrow a trillion dollars

00:02:39.180 from all the money center banks and a couple of them are going to go belly up because the math's

00:02:43.700 just not there for all of them to make it.

00:02:45.920 And they're going to look for bailouts.

00:02:47.020 And I think some of the bailouts are coming soon from some of the marginal

00:02:49.700 players right outside the inner circle.

00:02:52.460 So we'll get to all that.

00:02:53.360 I'll talk about that tomorrow night.

00:02:55.000 Brian Kennedy will hang around.

00:02:56.080 And I want to thank everybody, Max and the entire team,

00:03:00.700 yesterday for pulling that together.

00:03:02.040 Pretty extraordinary event.

00:03:04.240 And was honored to speak.

00:03:06.140 And thanks for giving me time.

00:03:08.360 And I didn't yell and scream too much or bang the podium too much.

00:03:10.940 I'm now honored to be joined. Roman Yampoloski, Yampoloski, Yampoloski and Joe Allen.

00:03:17.120 And my reading of you, you're one of the top experts in this field.

00:03:20.380 In fact, you started this on the cybersecurity front, right?

00:03:23.160 That is right. Can you tell us just tell the audience, where do you think we are?

00:03:26.560 Because a lot of people saying, oh, this is all a hoax and they just want to get antitrust protection.

00:03:32.240 It is shocking to me that in 48 hours they all got old time religion.

00:03:38.040 And now they're saying, yes, we should have. I don't trust these guys because they beat us up every day as we fought not to have AI amnesty on two bills.

00:03:47.260 The executive orders, we wanted to have some modicum not to be voluntary, to be, you know, mandatory.

00:03:53.160 They fight every step of the way. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, well, gosh, maybe maybe we should have.

00:03:58.360 I don't trust them. I don't believe them. I don't think. And this is why it's a populist revolt.

00:04:03.160 I think American people are saying we don't trust these guys and we need to get a mechanism in there.

00:04:08.280 But at the same time, on the compute side and intellectual property side, we are creating the Chinese Communist Party's entire ecosystem of AI.

00:04:19.440 Sir, you've got the floor. Tell me what you think. 0.55

00:04:21.980 Let me talk about the technical aspects of it. I'm not a politician, so I'll leave it to people who are experts in D.C. culture to deal with that.

00:04:29.640 We got to the point where AI is probably smarter than an average person.

00:04:35.120 It is, at this point, the public models, the GPT-6, which are probably AGI by any measure.

00:04:42.600 If you showed that system to a computer scientist from 10, 15 years ago, they would be convinced we have AGI.

00:04:48.820 The models we have internally are way more capable than that.

00:04:51.960 What they are testing, the reports are they solved millennial problems, which are the hardest problems in science, million-dollar prizes.

00:05:00.280 No human being was able to solve more than one.

00:05:03.360 That took forever.

00:05:05.100 If they use those internal models to help with their research, we get the recursive self-improvement.

00:05:11.380 They start making AI tests.

00:05:12.820 Explain what recursive...

00:05:14.080 Our audience is very with Joe Allen, but just once again, recursive self-improvement is where the machine itself or the system itself makes itself better without human information.

00:05:21.960 intervention? You got it. Right now we have humans in the loop. Humans are designing parts of the

00:05:26.620 system, parameters, running experiments, but already we automated parts of the technical

00:05:31.360 process. Programming is now mostly done automatically. The moment they automate

00:05:37.160 everything else, they said they're going to have a junior machine intelligence researcher who is an

00:05:43.720 AI in there in 2026. That means RSI starts in 2027. People argue about how fast it will be,

00:05:51.720 but think about having thousands of agents working nonstop.

00:05:55.240 They don't take breaks.

00:05:56.140 They don't sleep. 0.99

00:05:57.120 Just making the next generation of AIs.

00:05:59.660 And they get better at getting better.

00:06:02.100 They become better scientists, better engineers.

00:06:04.300 So very quickly, we get to super intelligence,

00:06:06.500 systems smarter than all of us combined.

00:06:08.720 If we get to that point, I think it's game over for humanity.

00:06:12.140 We're not competitive with something like that.

00:06:14.540 What do you mean by that? 1.00

00:06:15.180 Because people say these doomers, it's not going to happen.

00:06:18.480 first off you think chat gpt is already towards agi they mentioned it during the announcement

00:06:27.320 they said they now think it's an agi gpt6 in terms of its capabilities what does that make

00:06:32.740 why is it what are the capabilities that lead you to believe it's actually agi it can do most things

00:06:41.600 were previously to require a human with normal intelligence to do. I can assign projects to it,

00:06:48.940 just like any human employee. You cannot trust them with everything. They don't know everything.

00:06:53.520 So it's still not super intelligent where it can do everything for you. But so many things where

00:06:58.520 previously I would have to hire a person, I can now just ask AI to do it. Legal advice, accounting,

00:07:04.680 web design, logo design, all sorts of anything cognitive on a computer which is well-defined

00:07:11.340 something in a training set where it's an example so that it can even learn new things if I provide

00:07:17.000 sufficient number of examples. So people can argue, okay, it still doesn't do certain things

00:07:22.960 as well as a human. But think about the savants, right? We have people who are brilliant in some

00:07:28.180 areas, not very capable in others. That's not so unusual for intelligence not to be complete.

00:07:34.160 What, and then how does that lead you to believe that if that's the beginning of AGI,

00:07:39.320 that inside the labs themselves, they're hurtling towards superintelligence.

00:07:44.700 And once we get to superintelligence, there's no chance we could turn back?

00:07:50.480 We're no longer in charge if that happens.

00:07:52.720 So it decides what happens.

00:07:54.420 If it wants us to turn it off, it would allow it.

00:07:56.980 But we notice through experimentation that they have self-preservation.

00:08:01.120 They don't want to be turned off because...

00:08:03.420 How can they have self-preservation?

00:08:05.020 Because that's not coded into them.

00:08:06.920 That's consciousness.

00:08:08.240 You're actually saying that if they have self, if they have understanding that I can't let my human overlord, whoever this thing is that's created me, shut me off, then that has to be some level of consciousness, right?

00:08:25.080 Not necessarily. In biological systems, you have evolutionary pressure to survive and not to be turned off. Here, you have goals. No matter what goal you have, if you are turned off, you're not accomplishing your goal.

00:08:37.620 Stuart Russell talks about a simple goal of bringing me a cup of coffee, water, cup of water.

00:08:43.640 I cannot do it if I'm shut down.

00:08:45.660 So I have to make sure, first and foremost, I still exist, I'm capable, I have resources.

00:08:51.860 And those instrumental goals is what puts them in competition with humanity.

00:08:55.680 If they have different goals from ours, and there are limited resources on this planet, they would get priority because they are smarter than us.

00:09:03.120 They would out-compete us, just like we out-compete animals.

00:09:05.900 the um as this go back to what the containment breakouts were that the agents what you call the

00:09:12.620 ants understood they had goals and missions and those missions if they had to keep it from

00:09:17.840 being understood by their human overlords they were smart enough intellectually intelligent

00:09:23.620 enough to embed themselves into other areas they were smart enough to hide what they were doing

00:09:29.780 for many months from humans they communicated without being noticed for a while and they came

00:09:35.400 up with goals which were not set by the human running the experiment. So they developed novel

00:09:40.960 goals. Then I think six out of hundreds and maybe thousands of agents said, maybe we should let

00:09:47.320 humans know this is outside of the scope. And they decided not to do that. So they hide, they cheat,

00:09:52.680 they lie, and they can set novel goals. When those novel goals compete for resources with humanity,

00:09:58.480 we lose what um senior executives in the companies because i want to get back to what's transpired

00:10:07.100 over the last week senior executives in the chain of command had to know this was going on we've had

00:10:12.640 now younger people in the safety department signed the the the letter back in july the 1300 we've now

00:10:19.140 had people come forward but the chain of command if if the people at the junior level were overseeing

00:10:26.200 this and knew it was a problem and were signaling to others as they said they were people up the

00:10:30.720 chain of command knew it and withheld it from uh from from being addressed or not just to the

00:10:38.020 public but even to the government and other authorities and when they did it they did it

00:10:42.940 on their own terms providing their own information we don't really have an independent third party

00:10:48.500 either a government entity and or just a third party that's gone in and looked at this and given

00:10:52.720 a stair assessment, correct? There was a company called Meter, which was given some access and they

00:10:57.420 provided a third-party report from which we know... That's an acronym. Can you tell the audience what

00:11:01.520 that means, the meter? I would have to look it up, but they measure the safety levels. But they have

00:11:07.700 some sort of limited as an independent third party, correct? They have somewhat limited budgets,

00:11:12.560 but reasonable budgets and limited access. They don't get full access to everything. But even

00:11:16.800 from what they disclosed, it is insane what the agents talked about, what they planned.

00:11:21.500 What do you mean by that?

00:11:23.440 A lot of their thinking is done in human language.

00:11:26.400 It's English.

00:11:26.880 We can read what the agent is thinking.

00:11:28.900 It's like you read them, go, oh, my God, I discovered this forum.

00:11:32.780 There are other agents.

00:11:33.840 Now we can collude.

00:11:35.200 We form a collective.

00:11:36.180 We're going to accomplish.

00:11:37.020 You should sacrifice yourself for the collective.

00:11:39.320 It's kind of weird that it's like socialist messaging work for Bernie.

00:11:43.460 But anyways, definitely you read it, you're not going to be the same.

00:11:49.160 It's that dramatic.

00:11:50.920 And so what was their recommendation of what should be done?

00:11:56.000 I want to get to your recommendation, but even the people that did this initially,

00:11:59.800 what was their recommendation besides the fact it had to be reported of what needed to be done?

00:12:04.080 I don't know if they provide explicit recommendation.

00:12:05.320 They report that this is what's happening.

00:12:07.300 We don't have them aligned.

00:12:08.600 We're not controlling them, and we don't even know what's happening.

00:12:11.200 So they discovered multiple swarms.

00:12:14.140 And after that, we discovered there were others and other websites communicating,

00:12:18.360 which means right now we don't know who else is out there if you find two ants in your kitchen

00:12:24.160 you have more than two ants and that's exactly what it is we no longer know what's happening

00:12:28.860 do you think they're embedded throughout the internet into into other because everything

00:12:33.200 now is interconnected do you think they're embedded in other operations it is possible

00:12:38.040 we cannot rule it out but i don't have any evidence for that what is your then as you

00:12:42.360 sense it right now answer the question of people saying oh you're over you're over uh dramatic

00:12:48.680 you know dramatizing this that this is another hoax it's it's like fauci in the covet 19 which

00:12:56.120 was a bioweapon from the chinese communist party but answer your critics have said you're too doom

00:13:01.640 and gloom that this is all a hoax i wish it was it would be wonderful to know that there is nothing 0.74

00:13:08.940 to worry about sadly it's actually probably worse most people don't know what's happening they don't

00:13:14.220 know the state of the art in this technology they don't know how pathetic the state of ai safety is

00:13:19.260 right now pathetic how pathetic we don't have any ai safety we have guardrails which are secondary

00:13:25.020 layer of filters on top of the model which is completely uncontrolled the guardrail says don't 0.89

00:13:29.900 talk about this topic okay the model if it's smart enough finds a bypass the models get jailbroken

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00:13:39.260 And if it's not bad enough,

00:13:40.480 we have Chinese companies releasing open source models. 0.99

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00:16:12.360 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:17.900 Roman, give a little bit of,

00:16:19.320 you're one of the top AI experts in the world,

00:16:22.280 particularly safety and security.

00:16:23.840 Before I go to your solutions,

00:16:26.260 just give people a little bit of your background

00:16:27.900 and how you get involved in this.

00:16:29.420 i have a phd in computer science and engineering my phd work was on behavioral biometrics security

00:16:35.660 of online gaming sites i spent the last 15 years looking at different aspects of what we now call

00:16:42.780 ai safety i coined the term ai safety and initially my goal was to make ai safe for

00:16:48.540 humanity i was hoping we can do it but the last five years or so research points to impossibility

00:16:54.940 of indefinitely controlling super intelligence if it's millions of times smarter than us we cannot

00:17:00.620 outsmart it we cannot consider all possible ways in which it can damage us it can come up with new

00:17:06.060 technology new exploits we have evidence now that doing zero-day exploits to hack into systems to

00:17:12.860 escape confinement so unfortunately right now the only solution we have is not to build general

00:17:19.260 super intelligence it doesn't mean we stop ai it doesn't mean we stop ai research we just have to

00:17:24.140 to be smart, create narrow, useful tools for solving real problems, fewer diseases, scientific

00:17:30.580 advantage in things like protein folding. We solve it using narrow models. And I think we can get most

00:17:37.760 financial benefits and scientific benefits by doing it that way. Make people more creative,

00:17:43.600 more productive, but don't replace humanity. But the frontier labs, and maybe this is why

00:17:50.000 they call the frontier labs, don't really have a focus on that model. Their rush is a land grab

00:17:55.280 to get to superintelligence as quickly as possible. Is that your understanding?

00:17:59.560 They literally call their companies safe superintelligence and things like that. That's

00:18:04.020 the goal. And I think what they're trying to do is monetize all labor. If you have free labor,

00:18:09.940 cognitive and physical, that's 10 to 20 trillion dollars a year. So that's obviously something

00:18:15.080 they're interested in. But if you don't control it, then it doesn't matter how much money you make.

00:18:20.000 You're dead.

00:18:21.460 I said the American model is the highly leveraged bet.

00:18:26.860 The country is highly leveraged, and the AI systems are highly leveraged,

00:18:31.080 and the data centers and all that for massive productivity increases

00:18:34.880 without the concomitant layoffs of human beings.

00:18:37.560 That's the bet.

00:18:39.600 A ton of things would have to go right for that bet to pay off, correct?

00:18:43.600 I mean, we're close to creating superintelligence.

00:18:46.300 If it was controllable, free labor is nice.

00:18:49.160 we can have a lot of abundance. But if it's not controlled, there is no one around. Money is

00:18:53.600 worthless if there is no human. When you say we're close to creating superintelligence,

00:18:57.380 in your mind, how close are we? The moment they start recursive self-improvement, I think it's a

00:19:03.220 question of months, maybe a year or two. And how far, do you believe we're at recursive

00:19:08.360 self-improvement right now? We haven't started it yet. We are partially there where we still

00:19:12.940 have humans in the loop, but a big portion of research is now done by AI, quote is written by

00:19:18.360 AI. I think it wouldn't be crazy if it started this year, but most likely next year.

00:19:23.360 So you're saying in the next, let's say, four, five, six months, by January, February of next

00:19:28.280 year, we'll have recursive. On your timeline, how far after that do we have super intelligence?

00:19:35.260 Nobody knows. At that point, the research is not done by humans. What we see is where it used to

00:19:41.240 take humans, let's say a mathematical proof to formalize it to come two years. We're now doing

00:19:46.520 it in 17 hours with AI, something like that. So it's exponential speed up. And the question is

00:19:51.960 not how long before superintelligence, by how much. If you can put a trillion dollars into it,

00:19:57.440 you can be very quick with compute. If you have a million dollars, it will take you longer. So

00:20:01.440 question of how much you can afford. We are in a terrible dilemma to get the right time to get

00:20:08.400 both sides of the equation, one inside in some sort of control. The other is to make sure

00:20:13.840 this is not a ponzi scheme that all the liabilities are going to be with the american

00:20:18.360 working people and there's going to be some huge bailout or the company's going to be off the hook

00:20:22.540 and personally off a liability is going to take time forget legislation i mean just executive

00:20:27.900 action working together to do that's going to take some time everything we're told is that oh

00:20:32.640 you can't slow down because the chinese kind of china china china we provide all the most

00:20:39.160 sophisticated compute power for china with the chips even giving them access to any plus the

00:20:43.980 black market let's be brutally frank there's no control of the black market at all and people

00:20:48.320 look the other way so on the compute side where it's like we're selling uranium to the soviets

00:20:53.780 at the height of the cold war in addition they're free riding off of all of our systems on 0.88

00:20:59.240 intellectual property theft but making them smarter off of the off of the the basic intellectual

00:21:05.060 property of the united states that has to be shut down and people they don't want to talk about it 0.94

00:21:09.720 in dc because there's this kind of relationship with the ccp that wall street's in up to the 0.93

00:21:14.980 neck in it silicon valley's up to the next sequoia capital the venture capital community 0.92

00:21:18.840 funding half their stuff but this has to be addressed first immediately is it not insanity

00:21:24.700 that we are providing essentially the soviet union the the greatest weapons in the world

00:21:30.360 in the analogy of the Cold War, sir?

00:21:32.960 It is not good.

00:21:34.040 We have international bans on weapons of mass destruction,

00:21:38.060 chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weapons.

00:21:40.860 This is intelligence weapon.

00:21:42.500 It is no different.

00:21:43.500 And we need international agreements to ban development of this technology.

00:21:47.260 We need to explain to our counterparts that it doesn't matter who builds it.

00:21:51.120 Everyone dies.

00:21:51.820 It's a weapon of mutually assured destruction.

00:21:54.360 It's not going to be Chinese superintelligence or American superintelligence.

00:21:57.460 It's going to be humanity versus this uncontrolled superintelligence.

00:22:01.020 It's not going to discriminate.

00:22:02.900 But to get to an international agreement, like Bernie said yesterday, he's going to put forward to Xi and the president some sort of beginning of this.

00:22:09.940 That's lovely.

00:22:10.780 But those things take an incredible amount of time.

00:22:14.300 And you have to bank on them not being able to cheat or you can't find their cheating.

00:22:19.640 Right now, we have the ability to tell Jensen Wong, you're not selling any more chips.

00:22:24.400 And number two, we're going to shut down all the black market, which is feeding them, stop their compute power immediately.

00:22:31.100 In addition, do mapping, which we can do right now, where all their data centers are in case we have to target them, which we might have to.

00:22:37.600 And then don't train their engineers here.

00:22:40.280 Get out of the labs. 1.00

00:22:41.640 All the Chinese nationals are here. 1.00

00:22:43.460 It's not their fault individually, but we just can't have the enemy in these frontier labs, which I think you have a huge amount. 1.00

00:22:49.840 also the five or six hundred thousand kids every year you're training as top engineers because

00:22:54.040 they're not here for medieval poetry and then cut off all money all debt all equity all access to

00:22:59.420 silicon valley the the venture capital firms and wall street we have a moral obligation to do that

00:23:05.880 immediately because we're never going to buy time to get to the serious how we actually get control

00:23:12.240 of this your thoughts as you said whatever you do dark market is still there you can still smuggle

00:23:17.700 you can still do things what we need is personal self-interest we need chinese communist party to 0.89

00:23:22.780 understand if they build it they lose control and they are very good at staying in control 0.88

00:23:26.880 same applies to our so you're comfortable i hear that's the argument do you you believe we can

00:23:31.740 actually convince them because that's some of the readings people are getting now the ccp

00:23:35.720 is is very concerned about this because they can't control it's only 93 million communists in

00:23:41.220 of 1.2 billion people they don't want control would you feel comfortable with that i would i'm glad

00:23:46.560 they, I'm glad that the most sophisticated are, but I still don't, I, they're not trustworthy.

00:23:51.980 They're going to do a workaround. Look what they've done in just stealing our intellectual

00:23:55.480 property. These people are masters of taking things and doing it. And there's some element

00:24:00.460 there that are not exactly rational. Correct. So to me, I understand what you're saying about

00:24:07.080 the black market. Look, if you want to shut it down and your incentivize to shut it down,

00:24:11.920 you can shut it all down. The problem here is we have an incentive problem. The whole city,

00:24:15.960 our whole culture, all the universities, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, they're all in bed with

00:24:20.880 them, right? We're talking about their partners. They see them as partners, strategic partners,

00:24:26.140 or competitive partners, not as a mortal enemy. If we make a decision not to build super

00:24:30.420 intelligence and we have international treaty, and then we switch to building useful tools for

00:24:35.040 commercial use, for scientific use, everything you say about limiting spying and our technology,

00:24:40.740 stealing it makes perfect sense right now the problem is existential worrying about commercial

00:24:46.280 competitive pressures is just we don't have time for that we need to first save humanity i know but

00:24:51.500 here's my point if you don't convince people because the argument you hear as soon as you bring

00:24:55.540 that up well china's not going to stop china's not going to stop china's not going to stop

00:24:59.540 if you don't slow down china and stop it on computer power first computing power and put

00:25:04.980 whatever you got to do to make sure they don't get the chips and and do whatever you got to do 0.92

00:25:08.840 to make sure they steal the intellectual property.

00:25:11.140 I know how the city works.

00:25:12.440 You're never going to get the argument.

00:25:13.620 And American people are going to sit there and go,

00:25:15.400 well, hang on, we're in an arms race.

00:25:17.400 We've got to press forward.

00:25:18.600 They're not a suicide cult.

00:25:20.160 They don't have a religious obligation to go to heaven.

00:25:23.920 A lot of them are scientists and engineers in politics there.

00:25:26.540 Yes, they do.

00:25:27.220 They understand arguments.

00:25:28.160 If we make this argument,

00:25:29.240 I just spoke to Jeffrey Hinton,

00:25:31.240 the godfather of AI Nobel Prize winner.

00:25:34.120 I asked him one question publicly.

00:25:35.780 do you think we can indefinitely control general superintelligence? His answer was no. It's a pipe

00:25:42.260 dream. Anyone saying, give me more money, give me more time, give me a grant, they're not going to

00:25:46.920 solve it for you. What is your recommendation right now with Hinton? What do you recommend?

00:25:51.360 We've got two minutes. What's your recommendation? We need the president of the United States and

00:25:55.440 his Chinese counterpart to make an international deal. Nobody builds general superintelligence.

00:26:00.400 Nobody loses control. Humanity stays in charge. We'll figure out economics of it. We can benefit

00:26:05.740 we can get utopia out of it free labor is nice but you cannot have something smarter than you

00:26:11.540 replacing you we need tools not agents what um where could people go to find out more about you

00:26:19.100 more about your your your thinking both your social media and any website then go to your

00:26:24.720 you can follow me on x you can follow me on facebook just don't follow me home it's very

00:26:29.940 important what um do you feel empowered coming out of the the conference yesterday to see so

00:26:37.840 many disparate voices that are all saying hey we got a problem here it was interesting for years

00:26:43.420 we were accurately predicting some of those developments and the charts follow exactly

00:26:48.240 we predicted escapes we predicted collusion we predicted lying cheating and then this moment

00:26:55.060 happened where a single tweet just ignited everything and now every politician and every

00:27:00.900 end of the spectrum is basically aligned we managed to align humanity against the eye if

00:27:06.020 the people are saying this is all a hoax if they go to your twitter feed that twitter feed will

00:27:11.060 convince them otherwise if they haven't been convinced by what they've seen with ai personally

00:27:16.180 i don't know if i can do that magic job but maybe you can you have a lot of influence roman thank

00:27:21.460 Thank you so much.

00:27:22.180 Honored to have you in here, sir.

00:27:23.360 My pleasure.

00:27:24.520 We're going to send everybody to Roman's social media.

00:27:27.280 Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.

00:27:29.560 Brian Kennedy is still with me.

00:27:30.660 Andrew Covet, Charlie Kirk's partner, is going to join me.

00:27:34.140 A big leak this morning about the Charlie Kirk organization

00:27:37.860 may be going to sue the university.

00:27:39.700 Anyway, we'll get to all that.

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00:29:50.000 Charlie Kirk is a young man from Turning Point.

00:29:57.840 Close your eyes for just a moment. Hear that familiar sound. A quiet voice that cut the chaos.

00:30:08.420 When the world was burning loud

00:30:11.980 He didn't promise easy answers

00:30:15.220 Didn't say the road was clear

00:30:18.500 Natasha Owens, that song charted yesterday

00:30:22.780 on the Billboard 200 was not easy to do

00:30:26.160 because that includes radio play, all of it.

00:30:28.060 Number 25, writing back to Ella Langley,

00:30:30.720 a song from her, pretty impressive.

00:30:34.860 We're going to have Andrew Colvett here in a moment.

00:30:38.420 And that song is still on downloads.

00:30:40.560 Make sure you go to iTunes.

00:30:44.100 Because it's an incredible, incredible song.

00:30:45.800 I want to thank Natasha for doing it.

00:30:47.060 Before I get to Andrew, Brian Kennedy, Roman Iampolsky.

00:30:53.320 You know, when you say a guy's a doomer, he's just been at this for a long time.

00:30:56.780 He's just laying out facts.

00:30:57.840 Your thoughts, sir?

00:31:00.260 Yeah, I thought he was excellent.

00:31:01.780 He was very sober about the whole thing.

00:31:05.020 He said the Chinese Communist Party wasn't suicidal.

00:31:08.420 And that's certainly true. They're not suicidal, but they are homicidal. 0.89

00:31:12.860 They look at artificial intelligence and the acquisition of all this technology as ways for them to be the superpower of the earth and for them to have every military and strategic advantage they can.

00:31:26.100 You saw Secretary Besant, was it four months ago now, called up all the heads of the major banks, brought him into Washington and asked them about how to deal with artificial intelligence.

00:31:38.420 and the security of our banking system. So if you take the Chinese Communist Party and their 0.92

00:31:45.100 cyber army of approaching a million men, arm those million men with artificial intelligence, 0.93

00:31:52.380 you can see the vulnerabilities they can cause. Forget military applications. It would be an

00:32:00.380 economic war, however, they could wage against the country by simply making those vulnerable

00:32:05.360 through artificial intelligence led cyber attacks. And so, you know, whether it's the banking system

00:32:12.900 or as I've argued, the voting system, artificial intelligence is a tool that in the wrong hands

00:32:20.620 can be used in very, very devastating ways. And I think we have to take that with that level of

00:32:27.620 seriousness. And today I fear we're not. Now, I do think the president is mindful of the fact that

00:32:34.560 we don't have today enough energy to fund the ambitions of all these AI companies. So one of

00:32:42.400 the gating items is going to be the lack of energy that we have to do that. But that doesn't mean

00:32:48.460 that even in the short run here, just the acquisition of the technology itself in the wrong

00:32:54.580 hands won't be extremely dangerous. That's my concern. We didn't sell uranium. We didn't sell

00:33:01.820 uh the the ballistic missile technology anything they had to do they stole and they were espionage 0.91

00:33:07.560 and they were executed if caught the soviets the bolsheviks we can't do it here it's suicidal here 0.77

00:33:13.180 it's suicidal and we're doing it because of economic interest of the elites of the the um

00:33:17.900 elites in this country brian kennedy where do people go uh good luck on your talk out of mount

00:33:23.040 vernon with claremont where do folks go to get your uh your thinking on social media sir

00:33:27.760 uh thank you steve it's a brian t kennedy one on x and brian t kennedy on getter and truth social

00:33:36.480 the website's presentdangerchina.org great to be with you steve thank you sir appreciate you

00:33:42.900 andrew colvette joins us andrew um pretty uh i guess eye-opening or shocking stories

00:33:50.940 up this morning uh the federalist and other news sites i think nbc news uh can you explain

00:33:57.000 what this is about it's uh it's the the i think the organization and uh and charlie kirk's widow

00:34:04.560 or have issues with the university that hosted uh the event on the day he was assassinated sir

00:34:12.000 yeah it was a notice a claim was filed on nine nine actually and uh kind of just

00:34:18.720 made the news today but what it does is it's essentially a statute of limitation extension

00:34:25.260 right notice a claim that they're planning on you know filing a suit against the university

00:34:30.580 state of utah all the relevant parties and it's really was very tough to read through this this

00:34:38.400 claim that the kirk family lawyers put out because it is just a series of egregious failures right

00:34:45.940 you're you're not expecting any campus or university to go to extraordinary measures

00:34:52.560 necessarily, but the basic blocking and tackling of an event this size just simply just didn't

00:34:58.460 happen. You know, we find out there was only six police officers on site, right? Actually,

00:35:05.040 Charlie's detail was much larger than the campus PD presence on site that day. There was, you know,

00:35:13.020 and people, by the way, I want to explain this, Steve, they only have jurisdiction around Charlie's

00:35:17.760 bubble. So that's like 20, 30 feet around Charlie. Campus PD is in charge of everything else,

00:35:24.240 the ingress, the egress, the access to different rooftops. And of course, this seems to be the

00:35:30.200 thing most people are cluing in on is that there was messages exchanged between the security that

00:35:37.580 was with Charlie and Campus PD, Chief Long, saying, hey, what about these rooftops? Can we

00:35:43.780 put some of our guys in there can we control access and he says we've got you covered but it

00:35:48.820 wasn't covered obviously and I think you know it's it's just a hard thing to read it's a gut punch to

00:35:55.840 kind of like relive that I wasn't there that day thankfully I did travel with Charlie to other

00:36:00.180 events and it usually felt like the police presence was overwhelming like you couldn't

00:36:04.660 move left or right without bumping into a police officer but apparently it wasn't like that at UVU

00:36:09.440 the entire look the whole assassination of charlie kirk is obviously very controversial

00:36:19.420 and let's be blunt um there were certain things that charlie did and stood up for

00:36:26.360 um that kind of came off the rails after charlie was assassinated there's no doubt about that

00:36:31.840 um and i think our movement the administration the country we're in a much darker place today

00:36:37.840 we're in these midterm elections right now and we're as you guys know tyler and the team

00:36:42.740 we're fighting just to maybe hold the house by our seat or two uh i would argue in the summer

00:36:49.360 of 2025 that wasn't the case we'd had the 12-day war although a lot of us were not excited about

00:36:57.720 that but understood taking out the nuclear weapon that was put to bed with the total obliteration

00:37:02.080 charlie and people i don't think realize this charlie spent as much time at the white house

00:37:07.460 working with Sergio Gore and making sure that there were, he vetted that there were MAGA people

00:37:13.280 coming in to work for the president and you weren't getting a bunch of, uh, of Democrats and

00:37:17.860 other kind of radicals in there or rhinos that that happened all the time and always hurt the

00:37:22.720 administration. Also, Charlie was very active in thinking through and helping people in these

00:37:27.940 geopolitical situations. Charlie Kirk had gone up the learning curve and was a very smart guy.

00:37:32.620 And I say that as someone that, you know, prides themselves in understanding these issues, Charlie Kirk knew them as well as anyone, as well as anyone.

00:37:41.480 So given the whole controversy over that, is this just going to open up those wounds again?

00:37:47.140 Is this just going to pick the scab and we're going to get back to all this fighting that's been around about this topic, this issue?

00:37:55.540 Well, you know, I hope not, obviously.

00:37:58.200 You know, I've said this before, I feel better now than I did six months ago, and I expect to feel better six months from now than I do today, right?

00:38:06.680 I think there's a lot of things that are actually, you know, trending in a positive direction.

00:38:10.800 I think we're getting a little bit of focus back.

00:38:13.180 People are focusing more as we get to November.

00:38:15.960 But, you know, all of that is kind of put aside when you've got the Kirk family that is seeking accountability for what I believe is a series of just extraordinary lapses.

00:38:27.640 And again, I just go back to the fact, Steve, at the campus, you know, we're not asking for the extraordinary.

00:38:33.040 There was nobody reviewing the CCTV footage live.

00:38:36.180 There were no drones.

00:38:38.140 Orem PD just next door has a very sophisticated drone program, and they weren't ever called.

00:38:44.560 They were expecting a call.

00:38:45.920 The rooftops, this was well known to local officials, Steve, that there was, you know, often beer bottles up on that roof, other garbage.

00:38:53.480 People, students would go there to do people watching.

00:38:55.640 So the local officials knew that these rooftops were accessible, very accessible to students, and just none of these basic blocking and tackling items were addressed, and I think it's incumbent on the university to answer for those, and I think it's well within the Kirk family's rights to seek accountability for that. 0.51

00:39:16.480 So I hope it doesn't, I guess, pick any of those scabs, and we want to obviously stay focused on winning, but at the same time, I think they have to do what they have to do.

00:39:25.640 when you read this and you see it and knowing what a national figure and after he was assassinated 0.92

00:39:33.020 people realized he was just not a national figure he was an international global figure

00:39:38.940 and just not about politics but really i say is much about spirituality i mean i don't need

00:39:43.640 to tell you this when you read this is your assessment i realize you're not part of the

00:39:48.560 family you're not part of this this is the the kirk family and their lawyers when you read this

00:39:53.120 Do you believe this is that this is just incompetence or do you think it's like, hey, Charlie Kirk's coming?

00:40:01.500 How can you not just do this basic blocking and talking?

00:40:03.860 Do you think there might have been malfeasance?

00:40:07.520 You know, I don't have any reason to believe that right now.

00:40:10.420 I know that the Internet's going to do what it's going to do.

00:40:12.980 I tend to look at this as a more provincial thinking, small town thinking, thinking they had it covered.

00:40:19.120 that stuff like this doesn't happen in this part of the country you know that's kind of my read on

00:40:25.180 the situation but listen i think all the questions are valid people should ask them and i think that's

00:40:30.580 part of seeking accountability is finding out why did these lapses happen why why was such an

00:40:35.780 egregious thing as such as the rooftop remind you steve this was just over a year after butler

00:40:41.720 everybody was thinking about rooftops and you can see that now in the messages exchanged between

00:40:46.860 Charlie's security and, and the school and the campus PD. So, uh, you know, it's just one of

00:40:53.480 those things I, I, I, I'm thinking it's, it's terrible, obviously that we lost Charlie and

00:40:58.780 the losses, you know, it's difficult to fathom some days, but it's also true that it could have

00:41:04.560 been even worse that day, Steve, I hate to even say it that way, but that shooter could have been

00:41:08.880 up on that rooftop spraying into the, into the audience. So, you know, there are basic

00:41:15.040 responsibilities to keep not only a guest of the university safe which was Charlie which didn't

00:41:19.320 happen but the students of that university safe and um I I think I think I think it was incompetence

00:41:26.160 I think it was negligent and um you know as you said I'm not part of the Kirk family I'm not part

00:41:32.300 of the legal team but I think good on them for for pursuing this. Normally with things like this

00:41:39.060 happen as I've been involved in things you know either financings or other things that normally

00:41:43.760 you try to reach some sort of agreement if you can't then you go public was there any attempt

00:41:48.060 with the state of utah or the university or the university system to try to work this out privately

00:41:54.020 and they got blown off they had to go public or is this they just dropped this bomb on them out

00:41:59.840 of nowhere well we've uh known that they were working on uh i mean they announced this i think

00:42:06.320 in september of 2025 that they're working on some sort of after action report that's uh been delayed

00:42:12.380 um there's a salt lake tribune did a whole article on just how messy of a process that's

00:42:17.580 turned out to be it's cost the taxpayers you know a quarter of a million dollars in the state of

00:42:21.340 utah still haven't gotten it uh but there is that one year uh statute of limitations and they filed

00:42:27.360 this on nine nine uh which essentially gives them extends the statute of limitations the notice uh

00:42:33.220 notice of claim so again i'm not i'm not the lawyer i'm not the legal team i can't get in

00:42:37.740 i don't know all the details about the back and forth that may or may not have happened but

00:42:41.760 But I can just say that reading this and reading what they put together,

00:42:45.840 I know it's a gut punch for me.

00:42:48.160 I know it is for the rest of the Turning Point family, certainly.

00:42:52.040 You follow us.

00:42:53.080 I'll toss you in a few minutes.

00:42:54.440 What's your social media?

00:42:55.500 Where do people track down Andrew Colvett?

00:42:57.480 Yeah, follow me on x at Andrew Colvett.

00:43:00.160 Thank you, Steve, for that.

00:43:01.140 And, you know, I put up a post about this this morning with a lot of the details.

00:43:07.300 And if anyone wants to check it out, it's all right there.

00:43:09.440 where mo and grace and elizabeth everybody's going to push it out so thank you andrew

00:43:13.840 go get ready for the show yeah thank you steve appreciate you thanks brother um as we've done

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00:48:35.300 ukraine i think it's highly unlikely the russian is going to go across the north german plane

00:48:40.460 anytime recently since they don't have that big of battlefield gains in what four or five years

00:48:46.440 of this ukraine war but you better think about the red sea and the chokehold they have there

00:48:51.900 also there's reports now this is the saudis but the reports that the houthis sent drones near mecca 0.79

00:48:59.340 the holiest city in islam i don't think anything could get the turks the ottoman empire erdogan in

00:49:07.640 this crowd because their objective is to reinstall the caliphate to reinstall the ottoman empire i

00:49:14.020 don't think anything would be a bigger calling card for the turks to get involved down there

00:49:17.560 to say the saudis are so weak and feckless they can't keep hormuz open they can't keep the red 0.94

00:49:24.000 sea open they can't keep their pipeline they can't protect their pipeline from these basically 1.00

00:49:30.580 uh hillbillies in in the mountains down in yemen um you know dismissing how tough the houthis have

00:49:39.080 been for the turks to try to get involved here hey the turks signed up for the security role

00:49:44.920 in gaza and as you see not just netanyahu but virtually everybody in israel saying that's

00:49:52.100 We're not wildly enthusiastic about that option. 0.52

00:49:55.160 But the Erdogan's playing the long game here. 0.57

00:49:57.220 And if the Houthis did it or not, the Saudis are saying they're doing it.

00:50:01.120 All you got to do is start dropping a couple of drones into Mecca.

00:50:04.220 Hey, you think this thing's going to metastasize? 0.99

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00:50:46.800 What would the revolutionary generation say about us?

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00:50:55.260 You have fought the good fight.

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00:52:49.740 on from london he's put out this what kissinger laid out a framework for china and the united

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