Bannon's War Room - November 04, 2026


Episode 5785： Continuing America First

Episode 5779： No Kings Protests And The Lead Up To Midterms

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.860 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:13.120 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.380 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.320 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.740 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.480 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.420 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.680 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:28.080 Mega Media.
00:00:28.980 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.860 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.620 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:45.020 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:52.920 It's Wednesday, 4 November, year of our lower 2026.
00:00:56.120 over the next couple of days.
00:00:58.440 Obviously, we're going to go through the event,
00:01:02.760 as we've referred to it this morning on the show,
00:01:05.300 extinction level, and so did Governor DeSantis,
00:01:09.080 potentially extinction level event.
00:01:11.340 We're not going to let it be that.
00:01:13.200 I want to bring in James Fishback.
00:01:14.640 James, first off, just walk the audience through,
00:01:17.980 because you're a former finance guy,
00:01:19.240 we used to have you on talking all the time
00:01:20.900 about your theory of the case on interest rates
00:01:23.780 since you traded relatively esoteric securities for a long time.
00:01:29.200 But then you got into politics, and you ran in the,
00:01:32.300 and I believe it was your first time for elective office,
00:01:34.600 if I'm correct, you ran in the governor's primary,
00:01:37.960 the gubernatorial primary in Florida earlier in the year,
00:01:41.820 and you seemed to get traction.
00:01:43.900 The numbers are you getting traction with a number of young men.
00:01:47.140 And since that time, I think you've gone around the country,
00:01:49.120 you've talked to a ton of people,
00:01:50.760 You were at the convention in, what was that, in August, that July or August, and you had a really good turnout there.
00:01:58.400 Walk through how you spent the last couple of months, and I want to first lay the foundation that you were spending a lot of time with young men
00:02:06.680 and addressing, speaking to them, getting feedback from them, on social media with them, so walk me through it.
00:02:13.180 well steve i feared last night would happen because i've lived last night for much of the
00:02:19.840 past two months traveling the country with my team mississippi i saw firsthand disaffected young white
00:02:25.360 men who pledged not to vote i saw it in texas i saw it in alabama and georgia and south carolina
00:02:30.820 north carolina virginia my home state of florida we saw it in the numbers last night lined up with
00:02:36.240 what I saw on the ground, a 35-point shift away from Republicans to Democrats for young white men.
00:02:43.900 They don't see mass deportations. They don't see the Epstein accountability. And they see
00:02:48.940 a foreign war that Donald Trump swore he would not begin. And at the same time, the golden age
00:02:55.140 seems to only be accruing to those who already own assets. It's not making it any easier for
00:03:00.200 folks like my age or younger than me to be able to buy a home. We're seeing young people get fired
00:03:05.740 from their job or not even hired in their first place because companies are using the corporate
00:03:10.220 h1b pipeline to replace them and so it's pretty dire out there young people young men in particular
00:03:16.680 they want an america first vision not america first in name but america first in practice
00:03:22.360 give us the the general profile you know their economic condition where do they work education
00:03:30.480 level um and what is and what is the basis for supporting trump in 2024 and then flipping i
00:03:39.040 understand there's a war the war's had uh economic consequences to this war uh there's been others
00:03:45.820 that not just um illegal immigration but particularly we've seen this in texas and other
00:03:50.160 places h1b's the whole issue with student visas other things but walk through the general um
00:03:56.680 economic and cultural profile, maybe social profile of the folks that you address that you
00:04:04.280 feel were the centerpiece of this massive shift of all the other demographics, right? This is the
00:04:10.400 most massive shift that we had, sir. It is. I was at UVA, of course, founded by Thomas Jefferson in
00:04:17.220 the 1800s. I was there just last week and you had a young man who drove two and a half hours. He was
00:04:22.720 a carpenter. He drove two and a half hours to hear us. And then students, of course, who were
00:04:27.380 there studying economics and political science drove two and a half, or rather walked two blocks
00:04:32.100 to come hear us. And so very different. But what united them, these are young patriotic men.
00:04:37.300 They love this country. They got behind Donald Trump in 2024, really for two reasons.
00:04:42.780 One, he was going to make this economy work for them. And two, he was not going to start a foreign
00:04:48.080 war. Now, the war in Iran is really a failure on three counts, the first of which is the economic
00:04:52.520 damage. You see it at the gas pump. The average American spending $22 more to fill up their tank
00:04:57.460 today than they were the day before this war started. And then there's the betrayal that
00:05:01.960 Donald Trump told us he wasn't going to start a foreign war. We were done with foreign wars and
00:05:05.580 foreign interference. And here we are with no end in sight to this war. And the third, and this is
00:05:10.140 the most piercing part of it, Steve, is that this war is being fueled by our so-called ally Israel.
00:05:17.240 And so it's an indictment of the idea that there is real foreign influence in American politics.
00:05:21.620 And the young men that I've spoken with as I've gone from UVA to UNC Charlotte to Clemson to Liberty to Virginia Tech to Mississippi State all over the South is that they feel the trail that the very people that got Donald Trump to victory, the young white men, that they are being silenced in favor of the AIPAC interest of the corporate interests.
00:05:43.700 And they're more focused on how the economy is going to help them get a job and buy a home as opposed to Washington, D.C., which is focused on the line going up on a Bloomberg terminal, whether that's GDP or the stock market.
00:05:57.220 I want to go through. Let's go through all three of those. You've got an economic piece.
00:06:00.720 You've got a hey, we're supposed to be no foreign wars about the sovereignty, who actually makes decisions.
00:06:06.000 Is it the fact of about President Trump keeps saying to stop the nuclear threat?
00:06:14.340 Is it the fact of the economics, obviously, in gas prices and affordability hasn't gotten dramatically better?
00:06:21.680 And we don't know how that's going to be very tough because the embedded inflation in the Biden years in this issue of sovereignty, because that's what we're talking about.
00:06:28.360 Is it the facts themselves or if the president or his team had taken six months or nine months to go and explain, hey, here's what we're going to do.
00:06:39.160 It's going to have an infinite economic impact.
00:06:41.960 There is a nuclear threat.
00:06:43.440 This is what the nuclear threat is.
00:06:45.200 This is how far they are down.
00:06:47.240 Here's what a panel of outside advisors say. 0.64
00:06:50.380 Here's why we're making the decisions, not Israel's making decisions.
00:06:54.880 We're not being driven by their intelligence services.
00:06:58.100 If that is my point is, is it actually the thing itself or is the way it was presented or not presented to these young men and caught them totally by surprise, since it seems to be counter to what they were told in the run up to the 2024 election?
00:07:15.060 It's both, Steve. It's both. Now, let's be very clear.
00:07:17.440 of young men that I've spoken to on my college town hall tour, we admitted that if Iran, 0.53
00:07:23.980 there was evidence that Iran posed an existential threat to the United States, that if Iran was set 0.81
00:07:28.860 to bomb the United States of America and kill innocent Americans, that yeah, rain hell on them, 0.98
00:07:33.800 absolutely. You know, there was economic damage, obviously, when we got involved in World War II, 0.98
00:07:38.180 but we understood that getting involved there meant protecting the American homeland. We had
00:07:42.400 saw what happened to Pearl Harbor. And so, yeah, you saw fuel prices go up. Yeah, you saw the
00:07:47.300 economy contract for a short period of time. Yeah, there was real economic instability. But there's
00:07:52.860 a real trade-off there. My favorite economist is Thomas Sowell, and he always says that politics
00:07:56.660 is not about solutions. It is about trade-offs. If there were, in fact, intelligence that showed
00:08:03.160 that Iran had a nuclear weapon and they were about to deploy it against the United States of America 0.99
00:08:07.540 or even conventional kinetic strikes against the United States of America, I suspect that Americans 0.82
00:08:12.280 would understand why we started this war. But that evidence wasn't there. In fact,
00:08:16.380 we were gaslit for eight months with no disrespect to the administration. But let's get real for a
00:08:21.920 second. We've given about seven to eight different reasons to the American people as to why this war
00:08:26.560 happened. It was protesters getting shot. It was regime change. It was nuclear weapons.
00:08:32.100 It was they were threatening Israel and so on. And really, the only concrete thing that has stuck at
00:08:37.100 this point is that Israel wanted us to attack. That's what Secretary Rubio said three days after
00:08:41.560 It started this war in late February.
00:08:44.360 Hang on. Hang on one second.
00:08:45.700 I just want to make sure we've got the right timeline,
00:08:47.960 particularly for the young men you're talking about.
00:08:49.920 And obviously these are, as you've described it, very patriotic Americans.
00:08:54.760 I want to go through because this conflict is kind of bifurcated.
00:08:57.800 We have a section of it that is in June of 2025.
00:09:04.220 And that, I think, kind of comes out of nowhere.
00:09:06.720 The administration's there.
00:09:08.600 We're on a roll.
00:09:09.820 We're flooding the zone.
00:09:10.700 You've got executive orders hitting every day. Doge is still there, although I was not a fan of Doge.
00:09:15.760 At least there's a commitment of OMB and Doge to get under Project 2025 or around Project 2025 to get all of this corruption and spending and spending on these left wing groups, USAID, all that.
00:09:29.680 We're hitting on all cylinders. Initial economic signs are looking positive.
00:09:34.540 and all of a sudden we have this conflict that Israel starts with the bombing,
00:09:38.680 but President Trump brings it to a head and calls it the 12-day war,
00:09:43.120 total obliteration, addresses the nation with Hegs and Vance that night.
00:09:47.020 Then we have this interregnum all the way till February,
00:09:50.560 and we know in February Scott Besson's already started the economic war,
00:09:54.580 but more importantly, you're starting to see the green shoots
00:09:56.680 of really President Trump's economic plan,
00:09:58.380 and then all of a sudden we're in this other war.
00:10:00.900 Is it the definition, are your adherents or the people that follow you, are they, what are their thoughts about the first in the 12-day war that had the bombing that ended and totally obliterated the nuclear threat or at least the 99 or 95 percent and then let Besson go to work?
00:10:20.980 And how much of it is the more open-ended, more regime change part of that that led to the Gulf and Hormuz and all these issues, sir?
00:10:30.900 It's a great question, Stephen. Thank you for splitting the difference there because it's important to get that nuance. I'm not a fan of what happened last July. I didn't support Operation Midnight Hammer. The young people that I've spoken with on my college tour didn't either. But at least that was a one and done. There was an actual objective. It was an in and out.
00:10:49.720 Even if. Did James freeze? OK, we're going to unfreeze him in a second. I think it's very important to get to this.
00:10:59.680 It'll lead to something I want to talk about after James. Philip Patrick is going to join us.
00:11:03.400 And I think we need to be very specific about this.
00:11:07.280 I think my strong belief is that not just the young men in this country, but the nation itself, we need to be we need to be highly specific about this.
00:11:17.420 James, let's go back. I bifurcated into what the two fact patterns are.
00:11:22.320 A 12-day war brought to a head with a massive expeditionary force of strategic bombers from Nebraska and Navy submarines hitting with Tomahawk missiles.
00:11:33.540 And then six or seven months, and then later, what obviously looked like at the beginning, a regime change war, and we are where we are.
00:11:41.840 You're these patriotic young men. And remember, they were Trump's biggest fans in 2024.
00:11:50.740 The one thing that we have lost, and James, I'm going to ask you to stay through the break.
00:11:54.900 In 2024, after being in the wilderness and sent there because of a stolen election and all the lawfare, that you're going to see tenfold coming.
00:12:04.060 We had the House. We had the Senate. We had the executive branch in the White House.
00:12:09.680 we had the supreme court and we had all the federal courts and we had the ability to approve
00:12:13.960 judges but most importantly far more important than all that and those are the levers of power
00:12:20.860 in the most powerful nation in the history of the world president trump was culturally relevant
00:12:25.820 and cool particularly to one of our most if not our most important demographic young men
00:12:33.000 of every color he was he was relevant that you will never have again to say once not just once
00:12:42.420 in the generation it has happened very few times if ever when he counted it all up in the history
00:12:49.880 of this republic that is what we have squandered and we have to understand why we squandered it
00:12:56.220 and is it not squandered was it worth it james i got about 90 seconds here and i'm holding you
00:13:01.420 the break. Continue on, sir. Well, it's only squandered if we give up. And giving up means
00:13:12.400 not listening to the very mandate that voters gave us. You've been very honest about all of this,
00:13:18.420 Steve. And the truth is that Operation Midnight Hammer, I wasn't the biggest fan of it. Young
00:13:22.680 people weren't the biggest fan of it. But it had a clear beginning, a clear ending and a clear
00:13:27.380 objective. And if you take the administration at their own word, it, quote, completely obliterated
00:13:33.780 Iran's nuclear capabilities. Well, then why, pray tell, did we have to launch this new regime change 0.66
00:13:40.660 war in February if Operation Midnight Hammer were so successful? And this is the contradiction. This
00:13:47.240 is the hypocrisy that so many are calling out, that when we see the administration say one thing,
00:13:51.940 only to do something differently. Here's what I will tell you, though. There is a silver lining
00:13:56.640 to yesterday, which is we have to wake up, we have to reset, we have to actually restore an
00:14:02.620 America First vision. James Fishback, stick around. I've got a lot more to go through with you.
00:14:09.860 Honored to have James Fishback here. We're going to have many voices over the next couple of days
00:14:14.520 to walk through all this. Fishback has a very unique relationship, I think, with young men
00:14:22.240 in this country, cannot be denied.
00:14:23.900 You can see it in his run for governor
00:14:26.120 with very few limited resources.
00:14:29.660 He struck a nerve.
00:14:30.680 Why did he struck a nerve?
00:14:31.960 What is that nerve?
00:14:33.520 What are the young men in our country,
00:14:35.200 what are they looking for?
00:14:36.140 What are they yearning for?
00:14:37.080 What are they prepared to sacrifice for?
00:14:39.160 We cannot and we will not
00:14:41.180 toss that generation aside.
00:14:45.480 The feed corn for our culture and our society. 0.92
00:14:48.780 Short break, James Fishback on the other side.
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00:16:20.220 Mann.
00:16:21.560 So Fishback, I want to get back to the silver lining
00:16:23.900 in a moment, the outcome. But if
00:16:25.980 if we had
00:16:28.000 stopped at Midnight Hammer
00:16:29.220 and Scott Bessent was putting on
00:16:32.100 the economic warfare, in fact,
00:16:34.120 folks, that's what drove
00:16:35.420 what, millions 1.00
00:16:38.080 of Persians into the street, of which
00:16:40.160 I don't know. I've been told 50,000, 10 to 50,000 were slaughtered by the regime.
00:16:47.160 And so it was obviously having an effect. He was destroying their currency.
00:16:50.940 James Fishback, if we had stopped with Midnight Hammer, do you believe, and obviously there's issues with the economy and other things,
00:16:59.800 do you believe you would have seen so dramatic a shift?
00:17:04.500 What people have felt if it had stopped, I think, June 27th, and it was President Trump.
00:17:10.820 Remember, that started as regime change.
00:17:13.460 We called it out on this show.
00:17:15.180 They hit that Thursday night on Friday morning.
00:17:17.240 They're all Fox News, and Fox News has responsibility for this.
00:17:20.740 And I don't want to, you know, hand it to these guys last night.
00:17:22.840 Well, you know, it's because of a war that you drove.
00:17:26.780 It was, you know, hey, this thing's immediate. 0.56
00:17:29.760 There's going to be a bomb.
00:17:30.660 On that Sunday night with Brett Baier, he asked Netanyahu,
00:17:33.900 a couple of days into this.
00:17:36.140 So what was the hurry?
00:17:36.940 Well, it was six months away,
00:17:38.040 nine months away, a year away,
00:17:39.340 you know, but, you know,
00:17:40.200 we had to go.
00:17:41.600 When they killed,
00:17:43.180 the first people they killed
00:17:44.320 was who Whitcoff was negotiating with,
00:17:47.040 the negotiating team.
00:17:48.120 However, President Trump,
00:17:49.200 another five or six days later,
00:17:51.740 set an expeditionary force
00:17:53.300 of strategic bombers
00:17:54.460 and Navy submarines,
00:17:57.560 fast attack submarines
00:17:58.420 with cruise missiles.
00:17:59.640 It ended.
00:18:00.580 And on Saturday evening,
00:18:01.740 he addressed the nation.
00:18:03.900 and said the 12-day war has come to an end.
00:18:07.000 So James Fischbach, if that had wrapped it up,
00:18:10.000 other issues would have popped up.
00:18:11.180 But on this central issue of a war
00:18:14.420 that only a couple of months before,
00:18:17.740 we had said no more forever wars,
00:18:19.460 no more foreign entanglements, no more foreign wars,
00:18:21.740 would the constituents that you know so well,
00:18:24.660 would they have been as angry to either stay home
00:18:27.480 or actually someone would come out
00:18:28.800 and vote against the president, sir?
00:18:30.880 Well, a long, thoughtful question like that deserves an equally long and thoughtful answer. No. And the reason why is because you wouldn't have gotten diesel prices above $6. You wouldn't have gotten gas prices $4.50 a gallon. You wouldn't have had 21 service members lose their lives.
00:18:50.760 you wouldn't have had the global energy, fertilizer, diesel, fuel disruption that we've
00:18:55.640 had over the last eight months. Americans can look past a limited kinetic strike. We saw that
00:19:00.780 in Syria in President Trump's first term. We saw that in Afghanistan, of course, with the mother 0.97
00:19:05.320 of all bombs, the Moab. Where we draw the line is not short-term kinetic force. It is regime change. 0.99
00:19:12.560 It is a never-ending war with no end in sight, with no clear objectives or exit plan. That's
00:19:18.680 what the voters take personally. That's the betrayal. And that, Steve, began when the bombing
00:19:24.520 game began on February 28th, 2026, the beginning of this war that has no end in sight.
00:19:31.600 James, you went from a hedge fund guy, a, you know, somebody sits at the screen,
00:19:36.540 has to make decisions. And those decisions have huge implications in the real world,
00:19:41.300 particularly on your own life and lifestyle, et cetera. But you went into elective politics,
00:19:46.180 of which I tell people it's a combat sport, right?
00:19:50.100 You've got to be prepared and virtually nobody is
00:19:52.860 and they try to tear you apart and tear you down.
00:19:55.420 So I would call you a man of action.
00:19:58.540 What is your recommendation as we sit here today
00:20:01.520 on the evening afterwards, on 4 November, 2026,
00:20:06.200 what action is James Fishback recommending that we do
00:20:09.760 to try to, one, understand this better,
00:20:12.800 but number two, try to regroup and move forward
00:20:15.980 sir? Well, I know that the talking point of the day over on Fox News is now is not a time to point
00:20:22.480 fingers. No, now is a time to point fingers, to call out the losers, to remove them so we can
00:20:28.040 start winning again. And Steve, I want to be very clear here. I have respect for Chairman Joe
00:20:32.980 Gruters of the RNC, the Republican National Chairman. With all due respect, it is time for
00:20:37.640 Joe Gruters to resign. This was the most humiliating defeat for Republicans in a national election in
00:20:44.420 modern history going back 50 years. We lost Texas. We lost Mississippi. We lost Kansas.
00:20:51.600 The only state, the only state with any signs of a firewall against the Democrat communist was the
00:20:57.980 state of Florida, which is why I am calling on Governor DeSantis to lead the Republicans
00:21:03.560 nationally. Governor DeSantis should be appointed to the Republican National Committee as the
00:21:08.640 national chairman. He is the only person with the demonstrated track record of actually stacking
00:21:14.300 wins. And in this moment of time, where we had the blue tsunami, the Republican bloodbath last
00:21:20.200 night, the only signs of success were in the state of Florida. Was it perfect? No. But on the
00:21:28.020 statewide level, we held our own. And that is because Governor DeSantis kept it so. And so
00:21:34.120 So I'm asking with all due respect for the chairman of the RNC, Joe Gruders, to step aside.
00:21:40.060 And it would be the honor to have a lifetime to see Governor DeSantis step into that role.
00:21:44.860 He is a proven warrior for the conservative movement.
00:21:47.540 And it's time for him to lead the Republican Party back to greatness.
00:21:52.540 James, we have been, I think, one of the sites have gone our way to praise Governor DeSantis as a governor.
00:21:59.680 And I think if you look at so many elements from tech to the COVID to all of, you know, she's done such a good job on so many different levels, Muslim Brotherhood, all of it.
00:22:09.720 Given this unique period of time and what we just went through and what you've laid out, correct me if I'm wrong, but Governor DeSantis is about a former naval officer, as I was, is about as big a neocon as you possibly get.
00:22:24.360 Do you believe that Governor DeSantis, given the fact pattern, at least they felt they saw, and I'll address that in a minute, would have acted differently than the president and Marco Rubio and his administration, particularly Marco Rubio, who is quite simpatico on foreign affairs with Governor DeSantis?
00:22:43.700 Do you believe that Governor DeSantis would have acted differently?
00:22:47.300 I think he would have.
00:22:48.880 I disagree with Governor DeSantis on some of the foreign policy issues.
00:22:52.180 I'll make no secret of that. But I can't imagine Governor DeSantis would have thrown us into this
00:22:56.500 forever war without a clear objective. In the words of Marco Rubio in the days after the strike
00:23:00.600 started in February, it's because Israel wanted to strike and we feared reprisals from that. 0.94
00:23:05.720 That's why we wanted to get in there. No, I'm sorry. When you're giving Israel five, 0.92
00:23:08.380 six billion dollars a year, they don't tell you when to go to war. You tell them to stand down.
00:23:13.460 And so I'll tell you that Governor DeSantis' views have likely evolved in recent years
00:23:17.460 with a sense of realism. When Benjamin Netanyahu came to Florida, Governor DeSantis refused to
00:23:22.460 meet with him. I'm sure Governor DeSantis had an opportunity to do that, and he chose not to.
00:23:26.400 Governor DeSantis has been critical about this war, particularly the pernicious economic effects
00:23:30.520 of it. I haven't spoken to the governor about his foreign policy views, but I suspect that he is not
00:23:34.940 on team Rubio or Hegseth in pushing this war. And foreign policy disagreements aside, I think he
00:23:41.140 understands this moment and has led with the kind of tenacity that shows that in the midst of a blue
00:23:46.260 tsunami nationally, the only bright spot was here in the state of Florida. And that's why
00:23:51.300 publicly last night when I was on Patrick Bet-David's podcast, I congratulated Governor-elect
00:23:56.700 Byron Donalds. He and I certainly had a fierce and competitive primary, but he is the governor-elect
00:24:01.380 now. He has my support. He is in my prayers. It is America first and is Florida forever, Steve.
00:24:07.840 Before I let you go, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't, I think it was on Stephen A. Smith's
00:24:11.660 show the other night before the voting. Didn't Governor DeSantis use the term gaslighting that
00:24:16.560 he felt that President Trump or members of the administration had gaslit the American people
00:24:21.220 about this situation in Persia, sir? He did. And he criticized the war. He criticized the economic
00:24:28.180 effects. He criticized the gaslighting over gas prices and the so-called golden age. And so
00:24:33.180 I don't ask folks to judge me on my foreign policy views that I held two years ago. I think
00:24:37.620 Governor DeSantis was wrong in some of those foreign policy views about Ukraine, about Israel
00:24:41.720 two, three, four years ago. But gosh, Steve, when the facts change, we change. I change my
00:24:46.040 views on Israel and on the Middle East as the facts evolved after October 7th. And I'm sure
00:24:50.020 the governor's views have evolved as well. But I think right here, right now, there's only one
00:24:53.900 Republican who has the capacity, the tenacity, the courage, the smarts, and the bravery to help the
00:24:58.700 Republican Party back to greatness. I think that's Ron DeSantis. And I'd love to see him as RNC
00:25:02.480 chairman. James, I think you're going to start another tour. We pray that you take all the
00:25:09.180 required security measures, knowing what happened in the assassination of the great Charlie Kirk.
00:25:15.420 When is this going to start? Where do people go to find out? Because you're a quite dynamic
00:25:20.320 speaker in real life. We want to make sure people get as much access to you as possible,
00:25:24.240 particularly young men. Where do they go? They go to fishback2026.com, throw their email and
00:25:31.660 look at our events page. All of our events are open to the public. Les is speaking toward more
00:25:35.840 of a town hall. I want to hear from people. I want to see what's driving them, what's keeping
00:25:39.700 them up at night, what's getting them up in the morning. This is a real conversation where we can
00:25:43.360 save this country, and I'm honored to be able to do that nationally. James Fishback, social media,
00:25:50.020 where do people go? James Fishback, X, Facebook, Instagram, everywhere. As always, Steve, honored
00:25:56.400 to be on with you, and let's all say a prayer for our great nation tonight. Thank you, sir.
00:26:01.440 appreciate you thank you james fishback um has a uh interesting relationship with these young people
00:26:10.940 and we got to get these young men um i'll do a little bit of it now i'm gonna do more of it
00:26:15.960 philip patrick's gonna join me so i'll do some here on the break i want to just laying out the
00:26:21.340 timeline for fishback people forget this we have to be very precise now there's been some calls
00:26:25.320 all day well you know handy it's the war some guys over at fox and no need to finger point
00:26:31.160 you know because of the war the war the war the war the war we have to be quite i think we need
00:26:35.800 a level of specificity we need specificity and what i would strongly recommend to the president
00:26:43.100 is that um i tell you what i don't want to break my role here so what i'm gonna do is uh i'm gonna
00:26:50.080 take a short commercial break here in about 60 seconds and i'm gonna continue this on the side
00:26:55.560 Philip Patrick is going to join us.
00:26:57.240 What I'm going to say, I think I can concisely summarize in a couple of minutes,
00:27:01.800 but I think Fishback's explanation is quite enlightening.
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00:29:29.600 they've had an election in israel and you know it takes a while to put together government now
00:29:35.920 they're talking about including the arabs they have 19 seats in the knesset uh but i think to
00:29:41.920 his last point about sovereignty we need as a nation us the united states america we have to
00:29:48.600 get this sorted a lot of people run around it's the war it's the war you know people sending
00:29:52.080 it tweets it was the war that did it okay fine but in order to move logically and extract ourselves
00:30:03.280 from this situation which we have advocated advocated from day one since we've waited now
00:30:10.140 for over what three years it was 7 october 2023 we waited for three years and haven't gotten it
00:30:17.000 By this time during Pearl Harbor, during World War II, I think we'd had seven formal investigations from the Navy, from the House, from the defense, all over.
00:30:28.600 I'm not sure they ever got to the bottom of it.
00:30:30.560 I got a lot of issues about this entire Pearl Harbor situation.
00:30:35.180 However, you had had some of the brightest men and women in our country really go into that.
00:30:39.360 We've had nothing.
00:30:40.040 We've had a couple of one book written, I think.
00:30:41.960 I believe the president, what in order to get our arms around exactly what we just heard fishback, you know, from the 12 day war to what started the second part of it, how we got into it, how decisions were made, who made those decisions and how were they made?
00:30:59.640 We need immediately, I believe, strongly believe, and we recommend to the president, a presidential commission immediately made up of U.S. citizens and institutions to formally, formally investigate if the Israelis are not going to do it and they've got political issues, why they can't do it.
00:31:16.080 That's fine. 0.91
00:31:17.180 That's their country.
00:31:18.880 But we're sucked into this thing.
00:31:20.380 And it just had a historic impact or it had the major impact, which everything else kind of blew out from it, on what was a historic night in American politics.
00:31:33.180 What's the reason for that?
00:31:34.480 It's this war.
00:31:35.140 Well, you just can't say, well, this war, we've got to change the relationship.
00:31:37.200 No.
00:31:38.120 Right now, we need to get to the facts.
00:31:40.540 And this presidential commission should take 100 days.
00:31:42.900 It should be appointed within the next week or 10 days.
00:31:46.300 There are many qualified people out there.
00:31:47.800 in the Israeli institutions, the Mossad, Shembet, IDF.
00:31:52.320 They have to turn over documents.
00:31:54.040 We have to do our own independent investigation as a nation.
00:31:57.960 It's three years into this, and they're clearly not going to do it.
00:32:01.580 I know General Gotti called for it, but you wait.
00:32:03.980 To the time they get the coalition put together, that'll be forgotten.
00:32:07.780 And we can't have it forgotten.
00:32:08.880 We have to know, and particularly about this nuclear threat,
00:32:14.380 and to at least a declassified basis,
00:32:19.260 it can be promulgated to the American people.
00:32:21.480 You talk to people all the time.
00:32:22.600 They only have a very modicum of understanding
00:32:24.800 because it's just been assertions.
00:32:26.940 There's been no real evidence put before the American people,
00:32:30.460 been assertions.
00:32:32.900 And we bet the entire presidency,
00:32:34.880 I might add an historic presidency I just said
00:32:37.320 about its cultural relevance.
00:32:38.900 You won't see this again,
00:32:41.020 not just working ourselves through the House and the Senate,
00:32:43.300 which are going to take cycles.
00:32:44.380 so the people that sign up now understand it's a grind for a while for a long time it's not going
00:32:50.980 to happen overnight not going to happen by a snap of the fingers even though the democrats never
00:32:55.320 sold their program never even really talked about their program except some airy fairy happy talk
00:33:00.480 we need to get to the bottom of what happened and what led up to it in gaza in october
00:33:11.260 on 7 October 2023 and everything that led up to it in the aftermath and then we have to get into
00:33:17.320 the second part of how years later we got involved in an expeditionary uh you know
00:33:23.540 project midnight hammer an expeditionary force to bring that to total obliteration that attack
00:33:30.780 on um on their nuclear facilities and nuclear bomb making capability and ballistic missile
00:33:35.960 capability and all that and then what happened in the six or seven months and then to get into the
00:33:42.320 second part of this which was clearly regime change and people out there saying we have to
00:33:45.660 finish a job and say finish the job you mean regime change we need the facts the american
00:33:50.040 people need the facts let's hope when the facts are out there there'll be even more support for
00:33:56.060 president trump but right now just having assertions having tel aviv levin yammering
00:34:00.520 away on TV, having some Fox News hosts talk about it. Lindsey Graham's sister lost yesterday in
00:34:08.320 South Carolina, one of the most MAGA of states. One of the reasons is this very issue. People just
00:34:14.580 don't understand it, don't understand what he was selling, and I think felt that she was in the same
00:34:21.140 bloodline and took it out on her. A presidential commission can be done by President Trump. It has
00:34:27.560 to be done it must be done it's our only way out of here for the united states and if there's no
00:34:33.220 cooperation then i think we have to then go back and question is this america's greatest ally
00:34:38.200 and what is our status and i believe there should not be any more kinetic at first there should be
00:34:43.940 not no more kinetic activity in this conflict but certainly not until we get the results of this
00:34:50.280 and i think president trump would want this information we should have the best and the
00:34:54.100 brightest on this i'll have more about this tomorrow philip patrick i have seen now and
00:35:00.240 talked to so many people is there's an air of uncertainty out there the democratic party went
00:35:05.460 out of their way not to sell their program but what happened yesterday is truly historic we have
00:35:10.480 we talked about the red green alliance theoretically we've had trevor 11 people on for years talking
00:35:14.680 about it it's no more talk they control the levers of power they don't control the executive branch
00:35:21.160 But as CNN is just reporting on their chyron, if you're over there looking at Caitlin Collins, they get a big chyron.
00:35:26.240 Bannon says, hey, White House is going to turn to Fort Apache.
00:35:28.880 They've already said last night, and Natalie Winters nailed it today, they're going to form a select committee.
00:35:34.580 They're going to form a select committee like J6.
00:35:37.480 That committee is going to be judiciary in their oversight.
00:35:41.160 So Jamie Raskin is going to be a co-chair, and they're coming, and they're coming for the White House.
00:35:48.000 And so we have to deal with that.
00:35:49.920 There's going to be tremendous uncertainty, and the Democrats are then going to have their day to try to jam through the legislation.
00:35:54.180 What's going to happen in this lame duck is going to be earth-shattering from amnesty, from DACA, from new visa programs, getting rid of the debt ceiling, having an omnibus.
00:36:09.360 You've loved omnibus so much, now you're going to get one that's got a $3 trillion deficit.
00:36:13.560 This uncertainty, Philip Patrick, makes people not take their eye off the ball politics,
00:36:20.820 but all of a sudden I notice, and I'm talking to so many people,
00:36:23.260 and we've seen this with the MyPatriotSupply over the last couple of weeks,
00:36:25.800 given what the British announced.
00:36:27.540 People are sitting there going, what is going on?
00:36:29.480 This is so uncertain.
00:36:30.360 In the United States of America on January 3rd,
00:36:33.500 you're going to have some of the most radical people in this country
00:36:36.980 are going to have the levers of power of some of the most powerful institutions
00:36:41.800 in this country, and particularly on economics, because the House, of which they could have 250
00:36:48.580 seats or more, is the founders set it up like the House of Commons. It's where all revenue
00:36:53.680 generation comes out of, all spending comes out of, everything. Philip Patrick, your thoughts?
00:36:58.960 Now, more than ever, why does one need gold in a situation like that, sir?
00:37:04.020 Look, I think, first of all, this is going to be remembered as a dark day in American political
00:37:09.020 history. And I think the biggest mistake Americans could make this evening is to think that this is
00:37:14.780 just a two-year setback. Democrats now control both chambers of Congress, and that fundamentally
00:37:20.720 changes the political environment in front of us. We're looking, as you alluded to, at two years of
00:37:25.760 investigations, subpoenas, confirmation battles, no doubt impeachment proceedings. Meanwhile, the
00:37:31.820 ordinary business of governing still needs to get done. But consider the horizon, right, the time
00:37:37.440 horizon. Senators that were elected yesterday are going to serve until 2033. So their decisions
00:37:42.580 about factories and power plants and industrial infrastructure, that's going to affect our
00:37:47.160 economy for decades. What about the spending, right? The debt that they rack up today will
00:37:51.820 still be compounding when our grandchildren retire. We've been talking for two years about
00:37:57.320 what President Trump and his team have been doing. They've been working tirelessly to rebuild
00:38:01.740 America's industrial capacity. And we were beginning to see the green shoots of that,
00:38:06.360 right? Manufacturing expansion, we were seeing industrial hiring, GDP numbers were strong.
00:38:13.160 But as we've said many times, from green shoots to harvest, it takes time, right? A factory alone
00:38:18.780 is what, two to five years just to build. Most importantly of all, Congress's spending commitments
00:38:24.780 don't disappear either, right? Just because Congress has changed hands, Social Security,
00:38:29.600 Medicare, interest on the national debt still have to be paid regardless of political gridlock.
00:38:35.320 gridlock occasionally can prevent new spending. And I think that's why we saw a positive reaction
00:38:40.780 from the markets this morning, but I think it will be short lived. But the real danger in my
00:38:46.360 mind is Washington operates on two year election cycles, but the consequences of the decisions last
00:38:52.400 decades. And I think we have to look beyond the immediate into second, third order effects to
00:38:58.040 have an idea of where this country is heading. As you mentioned, we now have radical leftists
00:39:03.780 that are controlling congress that doesn't bode well long term for spending and everything else
00:39:08.980 this came in my mind at a very bad time and again it is a dark day for america today
00:39:15.300 if you and they didn't run on a program remember this is why we have to make them own this every
00:39:22.820 day we have to we're in opposition right now yes you have the administration of executive power
00:39:28.720 or they're kind of the managers, that's why it's referred to as the administration.
00:39:33.360 They administrate.
00:39:34.620 They also come up with ideas.
00:39:36.180 The president has vast powers on executive orders, and we recommend he use those.
00:39:41.280 But like on his appointments, that's going to be very restrictive.
00:39:44.380 They will never appoint, ever, ever, any judge or any Supreme Court justice
00:39:51.480 or any senior executive in the Trump administration.
00:39:54.580 That's why we have to go to either recess appointments right away or do them in blocks and force it through.
00:40:00.960 Schumer already alluded to the fact of how they're going to run things.
00:40:07.120 It's very different than how Thune runs things.
00:40:08.980 Some of the worst fears and nightmares are out there.
00:40:12.280 Philip Patrick, so if I'm uncertain, why then, why then, why don't I just invest in baseball cards?
00:40:20.260 Why don't I just go in and get, you know, Pokemon?
00:40:26.140 Why don't I do all type of collectibles or other instruments or debt instruments, all that?
00:40:30.360 Why is gold in this uncertainty, uncertainty that is here visited upon us today, why is gold an answer?
00:40:39.980 First of all, I am more bullish on gold today than I have been at any other time.
00:40:44.380 And you know how bullish I am.
00:40:46.220 Let's just look at how the gold market reacted today.
00:40:48.560 we saw a 3% jump following yesterday's election, the dollar weakened, Treasury yields fell. And I
00:40:54.780 think it's a reminder of how quickly financial uncertainty can change the demand for gold long
00:40:59.840 term. But I think it's the long term story that is much more important than today's rally, right?
00:41:05.580 So look at the fundamentals. And I think this is the answer to your question of why gold. So
00:41:11.100 first, we've got the national debt, we're already over 40 and a half trillion. And neither party so
00:41:17.200 far have offered a credible path towards balancing the budget. Secondly, we've got what I think is
00:41:23.380 our biggest problem, and that is the dollar, right? Central banks around the world have been
00:41:27.500 diversifying their reserves for years now, and gold is increasingly becoming a much larger part
00:41:33.440 of that strategy. We talked last year about how gold's share of global reserve is now above federal
00:41:40.480 debt, which is historic. Yesterday, we saw another remarkable statistic. Central banks purchased
00:41:47.340 321 tons of gold in the third quarter of this year. That was a 42% increase on this quarter
00:41:56.680 last year. These are the people that understand currencies, debt, and financial risk better than
00:42:02.540 anybody else on the planet. And the third thing is what you mentioned, I think, at the beginning,
00:42:07.440 which is now a climate of persistent uncertainty. We've got political gridlock. We've got sticky
00:42:13.360 inflation. We've got concerns about future economic growth. These are all good reasons
00:42:18.440 to reconsider investment risk. Is gold going to go up in a straight line? The answer is absolutely
00:42:25.300 not. Things will happen on a daily basis that will strengthen the dollar or weaken the dollar,
00:42:30.120 and that will have knock-on effects for gold prices. But the structural reasons for owning
00:42:35.180 gold, not only are they firmly in place, they are stronger today than they've ever been at any other
00:42:41.080 time in my career. And I think the point is not to try and predict the next $500 move in gold.
00:42:47.320 It's to diversify savings for what's going to happen over the next 5, 10 or 20 years.
00:42:53.700 Washington will change hands again, but the economic challenges that we're facing, I don't
00:42:58.640 think are going to disappear with the next election or the one after. So I think they've
00:43:03.300 become the new normal. And gold is very, very important in those sorts of climates.
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00:45:05.480 Philip Patrick, now more than ever, how do people work with you?
00:45:08.660 How do they get to know your team?
00:45:10.300 All the information you've got.
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00:45:26.640 So, Philip, where do they go?
00:45:27.720 How do they interact?
00:45:30.120 Yeah, we say now more than ever.
00:45:32.280 I don't know if that's been truer than it is this afternoon.
00:45:35.420 So it's very simple.
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00:46:16.360 gold under a Trump administration. I think things are changing fast. And I think education now is
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00:46:44.940 warriors in there it's going to be this is going to be uncertain it is every day is going to change
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00:47:18.120 this is crazy getting you guys off the desk i really want to thank you for coming on and um
00:47:22.940 and sharing all this with the audience on the day after this monumental event sir steve thank you
00:47:29.180 for having me thank you brother uh one thing he said he put the six-year term of the uh of the
00:47:37.680 centers in there. We're just, this is not, I think it's highly unlikely this is going to be
00:47:42.080 a two-year flip. They're going to get dug in. And once they get power, they're Bolsheviks.
00:47:49.840 Once they get power, they have a tendency in history not to just give it up. Oh, you won an 0.92
00:47:54.800 election? Oh, you got more votes than we did? Oh, fine. Sure. Great. Let us clean up the space.
00:48:00.940 You know, not a problem. They're not Republicans. They're Bolsheviks. And you're about to see it
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00:49:02.940 If you call now, what does Scott Coburn say?
00:49:05.980 You're going to get somebody.
00:49:06.640 He calls them hillbillies with these Texas accents.
00:49:09.120 I would never say that.
00:49:10.080 I'm not a Texan.
00:49:11.460 Scott is.
00:49:12.820 But you're going to talk to somebody.
00:49:13.820 If you want to have a prayer service, break it down.
00:49:16.600 Do it. 0.99
00:49:17.400 They're down for it.
00:49:19.020 But talk to them about the company.
00:49:20.440 Talk to them about all the different attributes.
00:49:22.160 And, of course, Jenny's story and Glenn's story, two of the best.
00:49:25.500 True fighters in Texas.
00:49:26.720 And that's what we need. The grassroots attempted to represent there. And we're going to get to the bottom of that. In fact, Brian Harrison will join us tomorrow. He's got a tweet out about what has to happen with the with emergency powers of the government. He's calling for a special session right now.
00:49:43.820 Brian Kemp in Georgia
00:49:46.800 just came out and said he would not do that
00:49:48.720 in Georgia. Mo Bannon, what is
00:49:50.660 your social media? You can find me
00:49:52.540 on Twitter and get her at Maureen underscore
00:49:54.560 Bannon and also on Instagram at
00:49:56.440 RealMaureenBannon. I come in hot on all
00:49:58.600 of them. I want to give Natalie Winters
00:50:00.620 another, she's just spectacular. 0.96
00:50:02.640 She called today before a lot of people realized
00:50:04.560 it because of her research
00:50:05.880 in left-wing media and really getting down
00:50:08.360 that they were going to do a select committee.
00:50:10.940 That you're going to have a judiciary
00:50:12.600 committee in the house and the oversight committee so garcia and uh raskin will be probably co-heads
00:50:18.460 they'll do it just like 9-11 she was talking about that this morning that is going to have major
00:50:22.640 implications for the trump administration and people that worked inside the white house and
00:50:28.240 in the executive branch uh because they're coming so i hope uh the white house council's office and
00:50:33.220 i hope doj main justice all that understands what's coming because uh as i say it's going
00:50:39.400 to be Port Apache. They're going to try to take down. Yesterday, they think they ended Trump and
00:50:43.600 Trumpism. We'll have to see. And I think what we need in Trumpism is a lot more populism and much,
00:50:50.020 much, much more nationalism. That's why this call for a presidential commission to investigate,
00:50:55.480 not simply the Persian war, but also the origins of this. October 7th, the Israelis should have 0.89
00:51:01.920 done this years ago. In fact, citizens, they're demanded. It's one of the big campaign things. 0.98
00:51:06.180 But with the current situation in their politics, we can't be our defense, our national security and our understanding of how all this went down and the impact it had yesterday has to be understood.
00:51:20.000 Third party, arm's length, and we have to get on it and we have to get on it now.
00:51:25.000 Not just the investigation of September of October 7th, but the entire thing.
00:51:30.400 So we're not making just simply assertions.
00:51:32.320 People can see, hey, look at that.
00:51:33.960 That's a fact.
00:51:34.600 particularly these young men in this country that feel they were sold one thing or told one thing
00:51:41.080 and something else appeared and like we just said with fishback if it had ended which charlie kirk
00:51:47.220 worked so hard if it ended in late june of 2025 we would have not had yesterday just remember that
00:51:54.040 we have not had yesterday it was going back to what do people call oh finish it off but it ain't
00:52:00.080 so it ain't so easy to finish off not easy for people that are not engaged in the combat it's
00:52:07.420 easy to talk about it not easy to actually execute on it okay ben harner was next we're back at 10 a.m
00:52:15.140 eastern standard time tomorrow morning you're in the war room mo bannon thank you for writing
00:52:20.140 shotgun you're here for a couple days to write shotgun get us organized want to thank the entire
00:52:24.800 team real america's voice guys in denver last night the team there in west palm beach our own
00:52:29.740 production team here the crack producers of the war room all the support staff everything
00:52:35.260 we'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 you'll be and it's going to the show's going to be packed
00:52:38.940 starting texas we're going to come around the country don't want to miss it see you tomorrow
00:52:43.180 He got on his behalf. We may not have made a golden calf, but our idols have been clear and it ends here.
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