00:00:26.660He may be doing it to the X degree, but they believe that lawmakers across Congress aren't, you know, don't have their best interests at heart.
00:00:34.700They'll point to the stock trading, for instance.
00:00:37.280Yeah, they should ban all stock trading for everybody.
00:00:40.120It's absurd that you go to Washington and be able to trade stocks.
00:00:45.660I think the fastest way to restore faith in the system is to hold those inside the Trump administration for the criminality and corruption accountable.
00:00:53.520And I think this is going to also take the participation of state attorney generals, because Trump is going to pardon everybody on a federal level.
00:01:01.320But we have models for that. Like look at the tobacco tort where they put together state attorney generals in a unified effort.
00:01:08.420And I think they need to get right at this big stuff. They can't be about restoring. It has to be about complete reform.
00:01:14.980Peter Wiener, you talked today in The Atlantic about Christianity coming back into democratic politics, and you're hoping that this is going to usher in a new era of goodness, of protecting each other and being decent, ushering out the Trump era.
00:01:33.380Is this a part of it, going after corruption, cleaning up government?
00:01:36.820i i do think it's it's part of it i think part of it too is just sensibility and disposition
00:01:44.200kind of the orientation of the heart and the two uh democrats that that were so important that i
00:01:50.780focused on in the essay jim's talarico in texas and adam hamilton in kansas ran a campaign of
00:01:57.480real decency i mean they were in many ways i'd say the antithetical uh approach to uh to donald
00:02:03.200Trump. And they're both men of deep faith. I mean, it's pretty clear that it's central to
00:02:07.480their life. And I think it's good for the Democratic Party to have people of the Christian
00:02:12.880faith there at the table and in the caucus. And I'm glad that they're in red states. So I think
00:02:19.700that can temper some of the more extreme places that some candidates and politicians can go.
00:02:25.940But the other thing, and I actually think as a person of the Christian faith and more important
00:02:29.560is I think it was an important moment for the evangelical movement,
00:02:32.780which I think has done so much to slander the name of Jesus
00:03:28.100You have the race in Mississippi with Hyde-Smith and Colm, and that is basically sitting at 49-49 with Colm with a sort of a lead of about anywhere, different estimates of 1,500 to 2,000 votes.
00:03:46.720Alaska, the same thing with Dan Sullivan, the incumbent.
00:03:53.020But what's interesting there is in that race, if no candidate achieves or surpasses 50 percent, it goes to ranked choice.
00:04:02.920And you have two other candidates. You have four candidates on the ballot.
00:04:06.920You have Mary Patelta. You have Sullivan. You have the second Sullivan.
00:04:10.960And then you have a Gerard Henkes, who is also a Republican.
00:04:14.520And so in ranked choice voting, in the second round or the first round after the election day, you then go to who was your second choice.
00:04:24.420If you put in the votes for Sullivan and Henkes, then Sullivan wins with 51.83.
00:04:32.880And so you have to wonder, the people who voted for Sullivan, the fake Sullivan, did they think, they said, all right, if we voted for one, we'll vote for the other.
00:05:52.140And so it looks better and better for Crane, but, you know, it's very, very incremental.
00:05:57.680And so all of this is, you know, you still have 50-plus house seats that are still being decided.
00:06:03.220And so I think as you look at it right now, if the trend continues with Mississippi and Alaska, you're looking at a loss of nine seats, which obviously is extremely significant, would take the Republicans down to 43.
00:06:17.280It is interesting also to note and remember that when the Republican senators vote for their leadership Tuesday, the defeated senators and the retiring senators do not vote, and then the incoming Republican senators will vote.
00:06:37.260And so I'm not sure how the Republicans are going to handle it if Hyde-Smith and Sullivan are still in play.
00:06:44.540But Thune has said, the Republican leader, John Throom, from South Dakota,
00:06:49.060he has said that he will continue to lead Republicans.
00:09:05.300And I think a lot of that was because of not enough action on the voter fraud and not enough action on what happened in Georgia, Fulton County, not enough what happened in Maricopa County.
00:09:16.560What is your sense of things as we're two days into this, as this reign of terror is about to, as Lawrence O'Donnell says, Trump's a reign of terror, but a real reign of terror, Robus Spear-like, is about to drop into Washington, D.C., ma'am?
00:09:32.420well i think there's a lot to take in right now a lot of opinions kind of focusing the autopsy on
00:09:38.820the republican side it's very much giving 2012 neocons obviously using using this as a kind of
00:09:44.860predicate and a pretext to take their power back but i have stayed in the lane and i'm going to
00:09:50.440stay in the lane of trying to understand and read the tea leaves of what the democrats are going to
00:09:55.740do because that's what we know here we're war room impeachment returning to our roots and steve
00:10:01.600it's very concerning. They are much more advanced than the first time around, not just because they
00:10:06.260learned from January 6th, but the width of their margin of victory is also giving them the ability
00:10:12.920to do a lot more. I was just reading before we came to air an Axios article. Democrats' midterm
00:10:19.520gains could sideline Electoral College by 2028. The amount of House seats that they have now
00:10:25.960could allow them to institute the National Popular Vote Compact,
00:10:31.440meaning that the Electoral College would no longer be how we choose our presidents.0.88
00:10:36.960It's the popular votes would dictate how many of the Electoral College votes then go.
00:10:41.540It's not state by state. It's about the popular vote.
00:10:44.400They originally had 18 states plus D.C. at about 222,
00:10:49.280but you need 270 to kick that up and become law.
00:10:54.080Again, the fact that Axios is covering that isn't the best sign, but they have a very, very vast toolkit of things that they can get into.
00:11:02.820I want to make sure the audience understands the inside baseball here because you're saying Axios is corporate speak, right?
00:11:09.400I mean, Mike Allen and the team are funded by the biggest lobbyist groups and the biggest health care, big pharma, all of it.
00:11:16.600So if they're talking about it, it's not some fringe element. It's not some fringe podcaster with purple hair. This means it's actually seeped into the the abundance corporate platform for the Democratic Party. Correct.
00:11:31.740yeah if anything i think democrats are probably mad that axios is showing a little ankle there
00:11:37.600as you would say but but this is just one of the many many radical things that they are pushing
00:11:44.100again to be clear sort of have the ability if they really execute to at least in certain states
00:11:50.480depending how the map actually shakes out the votes will not go the electoral college votes
00:11:55.620will not go to the winner in the state. It will go to the national popular vote. That's really,
00:12:02.980really concerning. And that should let you know how serious Democrats are taking this win. But
00:12:08.920Steve, I also think too here that there's this weird, there's a lot of messaging things going
00:12:14.660on here on the Democrat side. One is I think the evolution that we saw from war room impeachment.
00:12:20.200They understand that just pursuing impeachment comes with a lot of political baggage.
00:12:25.620Right. That is a very loaded term to impeach. Trump means to open themselves up to being attacked for distracting from what they were elected to do, distracting from affordability, all these words that they apparently love right now, when I would posit and argue that they could still achieve what they want to do with President Trump without formally impeaching him.
00:12:45.640Right. Just doing as we were talking about the show trials, the investigations going after virtually everyone and even impeaching him doesn't even necessarily reward them.
00:12:57.420Right. With with what they want. But it's very interesting because in watching what Democrats are saying on TV, right, you have Hakeem Jeffries going on.
00:13:07.020I believe it was ABC yesterday where he's saying, you know, oh, we're not thinking about impeachment.
00:13:11.940you know, wink, wink, we're just thinking about affordability, the entire grassroots coalition,
00:13:18.160the Indivisibles of the world, the Mark Eliases, you know, as the war room posse is to the
00:13:23.200Republican establishment, the kind of fringe voter supporters, they are feral animals and they would
00:13:31.720not be satisfied by impeachment. They're already, there's already a movement. This is the signal,
00:13:37.360not noise. What is Indivisible's first action call and protest after this election? It is to
00:13:44.180not support Chuck Schumer for Senate majority leader because they don't think he's radical
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00:16:20.840And I think that when we started talking about, you're talking about who's going to be head of the Oversight Committee, who's going to be head of the Judiciary Committee, what sort of subpoenas are we expecting and investigations are we expecting from a new, we can now say, Democratic-controlled house, which is what we are going to have going forward.
00:16:35.040The other thing to keep in mind here, just in terms of the health of our republic, is that it is not allowed to have a financial conflict of interest with a company that then you give a government contract to.
00:16:48.720Correct. It's not allowed. It's criminal. And maybe this Department of Justice is not going to prosecute that.
00:16:54.040But it must be pursued, exposed and adjudicated to the extent that it can be by congressional committees.
00:17:03.060And it will be. You can't have absolutely rabid corruption.
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00:17:25.300You can't have no bid contracts going to people who aren't qualified to do the work, who are then quintupling the amount that they're spending, still failing and then collecting bonuses.
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00:17:39.640I mean, you just those things aren't just like, wow, that's sure gotten dirty.
00:17:43.620That smells bad. People don't like it. No, those things must be answered.
00:17:46.540In the same way on January 6th, when I sat in our studio on January 6th, 2021, and we watched that guy carrying the podium across the chamber.
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00:29:26.160So there's a thing in this drama that has been hard to get to, and it's the emotion of it.
00:29:38.980But in a in a in a great drama, there's be under the under the dialogue.
00:29:44.100There's the emotion. And one of the things that delivers that emotion or the acceptance speeches, which we didn't get because we had so much to cover as everything was rolling in and Alaska still happening and all of that.
00:29:54.340And if you if you want to feel the emotion of what this was and how this movie really played out, you really have to watch those.
00:30:01.160And I think that will help people who keep texting me saying, I can't wrap my head around.
00:30:06.200this. You have to wrap your head and your emotions around this. What did you experience? And one of
00:30:10.760the things that has been experienced is that the reign of terror is over. And all you want when
00:30:17.140you're in a reign of terror is for the terror to stop. You're not even hoping for a good thing to
00:30:21.780happen. You just want the terror to stop and the emotion of the realization that the terror
00:30:29.040has stopped. It has stopped in Washington. I don't mean it's stopped, you know, for farm workers who
00:30:34.460Donald Trump may still be trying to round up and all that, but it has stopped in Washington.0.79
00:30:39.600This reign of terror of that madman and the White House controls everything is now over.
00:30:44.660It is a glorious day in America. It is a beautiful, just stupefyingly magical day.
00:30:51.020The people have spoken to decisively and let us hope permanently repudiate every dictator and bully in America and every dictator and bully all around the world.
00:31:02.460It's our job on the Judiciary Committee when we are back in the majority to enforce the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights every single day to enforce equal protection, due process, the freedom of speech, the freedom of press, the separation of church and state.
00:31:19.680We will be fighting for the civil rights and civil liberties of the people.
00:31:23.020We will be fighting for accountability every day so that if there are American citizens like Alex Preddy and Renee Good who are shot down in broad daylight at point blank range by Donald Trump's masked thugs from ICE, well, we will get on top of it and we will see that justice is done.
00:31:42.940We want the masks off. We want the cameras turned on.
00:31:47.340We want to bring every part of the federal government back under the control of the Constitution.
00:31:52.940And above all, we're going to challenge this reign of corruption.
00:31:57.060We're going to insist that the government be an instrument for the common good of all of the people through the rule of law.0.89
00:32:05.160The rule of law with, what, 22 million illegal aliens here.
00:34:05.360You can see it even when, you know, Robert Garcia is putting out his cringe sizzle reels, saying lawyer up. They don't actually care. Obviously, they don't care what they actually did to you. But this time, their messaging, I mean, to be frank, Steve, their messaging on this stuff is worrisome, and that if able to do and effectuate properly, is a very animating message to the American people.
00:34:29.320If they're actually able to haul these CEOs in front of Congress, people that the Americans hate for price gouging and all of these things, they will enjoy success on that.
00:34:40.260Now, you know, you talk about some of the other agendas, particularly when it comes to ICE, their immigration stuff is so radical.
00:34:49.060They're not just content with amnesty.
00:36:33.240And now we're going to compound that with what Benny Thompson, who it was leaked that
00:36:37.880he's preparing a DHS investigation, particularly into CISA and election security. On November 4th,
00:36:46.240the planned inquiry, it was announced that he'd be focusing into the CISA staffing cuts and
00:36:50.280assistance to different states securing elections, everything that's going on there.
00:36:55.320So right now, the focus is going to be from the media perspective. I mean, I watched CNN for
00:37:00.480probably two hours this morning. Even they're curious, they're kind of estimating and trying
00:37:05.880to understand where Democrats fall on what they actually want to investigate. But there's a lot
00:37:11.480of stuff behind the scenes. I mean, they're already pushing a bill. It's another interesting
00:37:16.340thing, too. And this is a very much a Hungarian tactic. This Congress they used to sort of lay0.50
00:37:24.180the groundwork for a lot of these investigations, not just by sending subpoenas, but in some cases,
00:37:29.860even just putting putting bills out. And some of these are super radical. They want to reimburse
00:37:35.320victims of ICE. Half a million bucks. That's the opening bid. And for every additional day that
00:37:42.160they were in detention, they will get another $100,000. So you can only imagine what those
00:37:49.420people want to do when it comes to citizenship and voting rights and all that. But I think that
00:37:57.840it's very important to understand that in this media ecosystem right now, it's very much just
00:38:03.400reading the tea leaves and trying to pick out another quote that I think is interesting just
00:38:07.360to sort of see where they're going to come out on the Supreme Court. There was some member of
00:38:12.040Congress on CNN earlier today saying that they're just refusing to seat anyone. They will not vote
00:38:17.740for a new secretary of war. Should Hegseth resign? Raskin already said even before the election,
00:38:23.640heck no to any Supreme Court justices. But they said, hang on, at the level of
00:38:28.820Of resistance, because now they're bringing their resistance.
00:38:33.360They're going to have – resistance is going to have power.
00:38:35.980All the new senators, I think, have basically said we're not going to confirm any Trump nominee at any level that President Trump puts forward,
00:38:44.900all the way from the Supreme Court to department heads, but also assistant secretaries, undersecretaries.
00:38:51.980I mean, and all the commissions, committees, they're a hard throw down to this.
00:38:58.200I mean, this is why John Thunen and these guys got to go to either resource appointments and or go to block appointments and have to do it now.
00:39:05.560Is that not correct? Because this just shows you the radical nature.
00:39:08.640As we said, with a victory, they think they're going to end Trump and Trumpism.
00:39:14.060These people need to be taken seriously. Listen to what they're saying and how they're saying it.
00:39:17.940Natalie Winters, they're going to start with, you know, all this other stuff they're doing.
00:39:21.540But the first thing is that no more fresh bodies, no fresh horses for the for the Trump, the Trump agenda, ma'am.
00:39:30.960Exactly. It was buried in Hakeem Jeffrey's letter, you know, dear colleague or whatever, trying to become speaker, which I think that's probably less contested than Schumer.
00:39:39.820But and he I'll read the quote so the audience can interpret this how they will.
00:39:43.960he's going to, quote, clean up the mess at the Supreme Court, whatever that means. Very vague,
00:39:50.280but I think we all know what that's getting after. But just some other things to really
00:39:54.820pay attention to here. Mark Elias put out on Democracy Docket on his Blue Sky. I've now
00:40:02.320joined Blue Sky. Don't follow me there. It's not an on account because I think I'd get too much
00:40:07.700hate. But he posted, quote, I hope congressional Democrats start their oversight with the large
00:40:14.540law firms that cut deals with Trump. So I think that's another kind of signal. Obviously,
00:40:20.160Mark Elias and his law firm is behind so much of the impeachment lawfare. So he's obviously going
00:40:24.680to have a say in this. Interestingly, Raskin, we played one of those clips, but he was on CNN,
00:40:29.260I think either today or yesterday, and they were pressing him. And he kind of mimicking and echoing
00:40:35.500what Elias said was talking about going after these law firms, which is actually quite interesting
00:40:40.840too, Steve, to read a lot of the reports coming out of these big top-tier law firms and how they
00:40:46.880view the shift. And House control, specifically telling companies that anybody that got a letter,
00:40:54.440your subpoena asking for documents, you should basically take that as a telltale sign that
00:40:58.340you're going to be asked to testify. Two, they were telling their clients that these Democrats
00:41:03.460have already been collaborating with state AGs on potential state charges too. And even more
00:41:11.260interesting, and this is, you're getting really in the weeds here, but we got to understand what
00:41:15.060we're up against, talking about how the weaponization of transcribed interviews,
00:41:21.180specifically videos, are going to be a tactic that they think Democrats are really going to
00:41:26.520lean into because they think they're going to want viral clips, right, of Trump advisors
00:41:31.200is admitting to something from a purely like propagandistic messaging tactic.
00:41:36.420I think that's a very interesting thing to pay attention to, how they're going to best
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00:44:59.140We will not hesitate to go after the private corporations that are collaborating in all of the lawlessness with Donald Trump.
00:45:07.620And we've done it before, and we will absolutely do it again. The law firms you mentioned, we know that there were many heroic law firms that have stood up against all of the law breaking and then the attempt to shake them down for the time of their partners and their young associates.
00:45:27.800And yet there are major law firms in America, including Paul Weiss, that have capitulated to these coercive tactics by Donald Trump and have basically surrendered and made all kinds of outrageous concessions.
00:45:41.800concessions. We've sent a number of letters to those law firms and they have been not forthcoming
00:45:47.780up until now. But when we have the power of subpoena and we have the power to conduct
00:45:53.840oversight, we believe a lot of these law firms are going to be coming forward and telling the truth.
00:45:59.220Otherwise, they are law firms that have no respect for the rule of law. And we're going to make sure
00:46:03.640that they comply with a congressional subpoena. It is the exact same legal force as a judicial
00:46:09.040subpoena does. Subpoena means under the power or under the penalty of law.
00:46:15.920Right there, you saw when we took on the big law firms in the early stages, it was because these
00:46:20.740big law firms are kind of metastasized and almost like private equity. They run the deal.
00:46:25.240The way the system works, you need to have these white shoe, these big white shoe law firms.
00:46:29.220That's Jamie Raskin sending the message that, hey, your day of deliverance from Trump is upon us.
00:46:35.980you're going to be the guys that help rat out the corporations and we're going to have show trials
00:46:40.460for these corporate heads that as Garcia's tied back is that made your life uh made your individual
00:46:47.220life uh miserable it's it's got a certain beauty to it when you look at uh how they've thought it
00:46:53.340through does it not uh Natalie Winters I mean this is years in the making ma'am oh yeah and I mean
00:47:00.720that clip right there, I think, checks the box of like 10 of the messaging strategies that we just
00:47:06.700discussed in this show, right? We said, oh, we sent you the letters. You didn't comply. So now
00:47:11.740we're going to subpoena you and you're going to testify. It's probably going to be on video and
00:47:15.640your clips are going to go viral. Who is he going after? The law firms like Mark Elias is directing
00:47:21.180him to. So I would really encourage people, again, this is very much like reading the tea leaves.
00:47:27.200we're pulling information from the corporate law firms, the ones that are probably going to get
00:47:31.460subpoenaed, to what Democrats are saying, to what their grassroots people are really pushing them
00:47:36.480to do. Frankly, Steve, I think the most concerning thing that they're pushing is the compounding of
00:47:42.020the amnesty stuff with what they want to do to elections, because that is fundamentally
00:47:46.160irreversible. I also think that we cannot cede ground. And I know that this audience, myself,
00:47:52.520is not 100% happy with the results of this administration.
00:47:56.980The election results show that, right?
00:48:16.380Frankly, Democrats are just ripping off what people voted for President Trump to do in 2024,
00:48:21.280And they're going to do it. And instead of having qualified people to do it, they're going to have people who are, you know, the woke first, you know, transgender governor of Alabama. Like, this is Trumpism. They're just trying to co-opt and steal it because they have no ideas. They're much better at messaging and the propaganda value of this stuff.
00:48:40.480So I know, like I was saying, everybody might not be 100% on board, but there is a clear distinction between what we're seeing now and MAGA policies as a whole, Trumpism.
00:48:52.600So that's a very important rhetorical distinction.
00:48:55.800And really pay attention to the messaging of linking the corruption to the prices, to the lived experience.
00:49:04.820They're even stealing their violent historical allusions from you.
00:49:10.480But, yeah, the election stuff, I think, is something that this audience is really going to need to watch and stay on top of, because that national popular vote compact thing is is republic ending.
00:49:20.820Perfect. Natalie, the sub stack, all of it, you're reporting social media.
00:49:46.380Again, the guy's like kind of just a random radical activist, but it just it gives you a sense into their mind of where they're going directionally, which I think is important.
00:49:54.820Are you are you putting that up on social media?
00:49:56.900You're going to have that on your sub stack?