00:02:14.120But instead, federal officials alleged Thorson used personal credit union accounts bearing the CDC's name to funnel money to his pocket, then submitted fake invoices for the research work.
00:02:23.980And then he took the money, bought a house in Atlanta, bought an Audi automobile, bought a Honda automobile, a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, took out over 60 cashier's checks.
00:02:35.560According to McLean's grand jury indictment, Thorson, quote, obtained over $1 million from his scheme to defraud.
00:02:42.120He was even on the Department of Health and Human Services' top 10 most wanted list all this time.
00:02:46.840McLean, surprised, but pleased to see Thorson back in the states to face justice.
00:02:51.160I wasn't sure if this case would ever come to trial because you never know.
00:02:55.540Once 15 years goes by, you think maybe that defendant is one that will never come back to the United States and never be extradited.
00:03:09.460And listen, that was almost the case, too.
00:03:11.640After this indictment had gone through, Thorsen had returned back to Denmark where he was from, and they were not going to extradite him back.
00:03:18.200But just last year, almost a year ago to the month, Thorsen was vacationing with his wife in Germany when authorities there stopped him, checked his paperwork and realized that he had an Interpol red notice.
00:03:29.420They then began the extradition process, which, of course, ended with him returning back to Hartsfield, Jackson yesterday outside the CDC.
00:03:35.820This guy was the go to guy for all of these.
00:03:38.540Oh, you know that there's no link between vaccine and autism.
00:03:42.340He would just feed them back what they wanted to hear and put the money in his pocket.
00:03:46.100And that's why they didn't go after him at the time, because the CDC hired him to do fraudulent research.
00:03:55.380They just wanted the answer that they thought would increase vaccine uptake.
00:04:00.220So just like Dr. Fauci, he was working for the big pharmaceutical companies.
00:04:05.300He was working for people who prioritized profits over the health of our children.
00:04:11.580And they knew exactly what they were doing.
00:04:13.860And that's how it's been possible over all these years to get the worst health outcomes of the 30 industrialized countries while spending three times the money.
00:04:27.420But the authority is the pharmaceutical companies trying to sell us dangerous products that poison our children.
00:04:36.580Naomi Wolf, it is Tuesday, 25 August in the year of our Lord, 2026.
00:04:41.060By the way, I want to thank the entire Denver crew, my own production team at the War Room for the tribute to Donnie Parton, just magnificent, pulling it together in only minutes, so just great.
00:04:51.600Naomi Wolf, you're the author of The Body of Others.
00:04:54.440You oversaw them with the author of the Pfizer paper.
00:04:57.420You put it all on the line during the pandemic, and particularly about vaccines.
00:05:06.440That's the mechanism they use to get this guy back.
00:05:09.700put in a perspective what this guy did and uh and how many lives he's ruined ma'am
00:05:16.400well as you said steve you know this is very very big um and i keep thinking about all of
00:05:24.660those members of the posse and members of the general public who have reasonably shown up in
00:05:30.100my feed or in my inbox saying when are we going to see anyone go to jail when are we going to see
00:05:35.760anyone in custody. These perpetrators, Dr. Fauci, they're walking around free. They're going to
00:05:41.160events. They have impunity, it would seem. Well, this is huge. This crosses a Rubicon in a way
00:05:48.020because this perpetrator, even though the cause of the extradition was financial fraud, he is now
00:05:57.960in federal custody and he is making a plea deal. And through the plea deal, the tactic, I'm sure,
00:06:05.760of law enforcement is moving from the financial fraud, the million dollars, you know, so like
00:06:13.420disgusting and corrupt, the house, the two cars, the motorcycle, which by the way, his lover,
00:06:19.960who was also his boss, was rubber stamping his fake invoices for that. So she needs to be called0.98
00:06:26.540in. But that is a fishing expedition essentially for the much more material, impactful,
00:06:35.760fraud which may be found, and I'm sure this is the intention of Secretary Kennedy, because he's
00:06:42.880been caring about thimerosal in vaccines for a long time, and the possible connection of thimerosal,
00:06:49.140an adjuvant, an ingredient that is added to vaccines, the possible connection between that
00:06:54.560and autism. And what they're going to look at for sure in the negotiations for the plea deal
00:07:01.200is the data that this guy, the scientist Paul Thorson produced. Because as Tony Lyons, my
00:07:09.280publisher, and you pointed out in that clip, this is like science to order by the pharmaceutical
00:07:16.400company. And they did it with the Pfizer injection, as you all know, because it was your project that
00:07:23.340found that. But they've been doing it clearly since at least the beginning, since at least the
00:07:27.2401990s, but certainly the early 2000s with this scientist Thorson's research, because he produced
00:07:34.640a series of studies allegedly showing no connection between thimerosal and autism.
00:07:42.620And that's exactly what the pharmaceutical companies ordered up. And that's what was rolled
00:07:47.520out in 2011, especially, and cited again and again and again. Every time you hear as a parent,
00:07:54.540There's no connection between vaccines and autism. And Dr. Brian Hooker, who's a lead scientist at Children's Health Defense, which Secretary Kennedy used to run and founded or co-founded, Brian Hooker has called into question for a long time these studies and has pointed out that from his point of view, they're based on flawed data, flawed methods, really flawed methods.
00:08:20.840So if indeed thousands of kids, especially boys, and especially in one study, Black boys, have been exposed to something that causes autism because of this fraudster's fraudulent science paid for by funds that he was skimming fraudulently, that is going to be massively impactful.
00:08:45.960And last thing I'll say before I pause, it's already hugely impactful for 5000 families, because his research was used to dismiss over 5000 claims filed by the parents of children with autism who were injured by vaccines. So very possibly, whatever happens with the investigation into Thorsen's research might reopen those claims.
00:09:14.060This is okay. I want to get into that a second, but this is what I want to get into. This is not about a million dollars. The million dollars is the methodology that they use to go and get him for this financial fraud. This is so much deeper than this. Take a minute and just explain these 5,000 families, how his phony, non-existent research, the lies, how it was weaponized by big pharma and used against these 5,000 families of autistic children.
00:09:44.060Well, that's a great question. So one of the ways in which his research was weaponized is that there haven't been studies validating or confirming his results, at least according to critics.
00:10:05.220As one critic, Vibhika Manakee, says, an obvious question is whether he also has been cheating
00:10:12.740with data to achieve the results he sought.
00:10:28.960And so another critic says, I think that's going to be the second part of the story. Like to your point that this is a way to open up these questions. The money is a way to open up the data question.
00:10:41.380And Grunvik says it could be an avalanche of bad news, both for pharma and the CDC.
00:10:46.720So what happened was that in 2011, Thorsen's paper with a collaborator named Madsen, these were used to dismiss these 5000 claims filed by the parents of autistic vaccine injured children.
00:11:00.560And their claims were part of something called the Omnibus Autism Proceeding, which was a proceeding that was brought before the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which I will note is like in our post-PREP Act world, which says you can't sue the manufacturers of bad vaccines for any harm they do, any death, you know, nothing.
00:11:22.900this is the one carve out. There's something the government has called the vaccine injury
00:11:28.300compensation program. And that is, and it's very rarely utilized. The awards are tiny. It's a drop
00:11:35.740in the bucket compared to the horrible harms that have been documented from many, many, many
00:11:41.220vaccines. But even that tiny ability to get some compensation to parents of children who are so
00:11:48.760badly injured very often, some of whom can't speak, you know, can't go to school, can't be
00:11:54.340employed, right, because of their severe autism. This horrible human being's probably bad science.
00:12:02.480We don't know for sure. We know that they're critics saying, here are horrible holes in it,
00:12:07.420hasn't been replicated. But if indeed this is faulty science, his faulty science was trotted
00:12:14.920it out to say, oh, don't compensate these 5,000 families. Their children just became autistic.
00:12:22.840Who can say why? And I just want to say one more thing. There are 1,900 plus children who became0.92
00:12:31.600autistic subsequent to the injection. I believe that's in the VAERS system. And anecdotally,
00:12:41.360is, as everyone should know by now, there are so many parents groups in which parents say over and
00:12:47.740over and over again, Steve, the same thing. You know, my child was beautiful. My twins were
00:12:52.480beautiful, fine, responsive, intelligent, loving. And then they got, you know, an injection. And,
00:13:01.120and, and, you know, in the earlier days before Secretary Kennedy's action, they had
00:13:06.160the Marisol in them, right? And after that, they became completely different children,
00:13:12.340unresponsive, no affect, can't make eye contact, and regressed in their intellectual development.
00:13:20.480So, and this is one boy in 30, I think it is now, Steve, is autistic. It's become the new normal in0.85
00:13:28.440some ways to be neurodivergent. Well, if it turns out that bad science by a fraudster was used to
00:13:36.700keep these damaging injections being put in the bodies of millions of American children,
00:13:43.600that is going to be a tornado of consequences. And I imagine very, very satisfying. I can only0.58
00:13:52.700imagine that Secretary Kennedy is on a mission with this because he's cared for so long about
00:13:58.020this particular issue the thimerosal autism link as has children's health defense um and it could
00:14:05.140it could derail or create massive openings derail the uh the mafia of pharmaceutical
00:14:14.180pushers and bad scientists doing bad science for them at least largely derail it and also open up
00:14:21.300a tremendous opportunity for justice not you know recovery because it's such a serious condition
00:14:28.020from which no one really thoroughly recovers, right, autism, but at least justice recognition,
00:14:34.940compensation for these poor families who have gone through such and still go through such a terrible
00:14:41.100thing. I'm going to play some clips for you in a second, Secretary Kennedy and Dana Bash over at
00:14:48.600CNN. But Naomi, before I get there, I just, I remember you were number one bestselling author,
00:14:53.680You were revered for the areas you went into and investigated and came up with these kind of brilliant books lauded by the mainstream media and the left.
00:15:06.400Then when you went after the holy—you went after CDC for sloppy—and like going after the holy of holies, the viciousness of people turned on you.
00:15:16.320But if you go back to this guy's case, you see the way it's run or slipshod.
00:15:19.980you mentioned and they mentioned this morning but this guy of everything else going on his
00:15:25.820supervisor his boss who had the number two position i think in cdc was also his mistress
00:15:31.000am i correct in understanding that yes his boss was his lover and she was she was authorizing
00:15:37.940his fake invoices like you couldn't if that was a graham green novel the editor would say
00:15:43.680no one will believe this level of corruption it's just too much
00:15:46.780but how was cdc sold to us for decades as this kind of paragon of uh tight management
00:15:59.580and really the inner sanctum of research and everything dealing with america's health how
00:16:05.080was that sold us when you look on the inside you see not just corruption but total incompetence
00:16:10.520Ma'am. Well, I can't believe, as always, I can't believe I'm saying this, but we never had
00:16:16.580President Trump in this role before with Secretary Kennedy at his right hand running the CDC. And so
00:16:25.100since we never had this incredibly historic duo working together or Secretary Kennedy empowered
00:16:33.500by President Trump and President Trump, you know, unusually in a position of being able personally
00:16:39.760not to need any of these people, which many presidents cannot say that. Therefore, this
00:16:46.540has put a stop to or has challenged the decades long situation in which the FDA passes on bad
00:16:57.780science to the CDC and the CDC says how great it is and issues the directives to the pediatricians
00:17:07.440to, you know, put it in the bodies of the children.
00:17:10.940And then when they get sick, they have no recourse because the laws have been passed.
00:17:15.500And then, of course, these same perpetrators get snapped up by the pharmaceutical companies,
00:17:21.820you know, and then they circle around again in a kind of a criminal cartel, but made up
00:17:31.500So that's what got created, you know, and has gone on for decades.
00:17:37.440And we didn't know. And, you know, and let me add, we didn't know also because in America and New Zealand, the only two countries in the world that allow direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising, legacy media, all the media that, you know, it was hard for me to find the links from Children's Health Defense about this case, because legacy media is stoically ignoring this gigantic story, this impactful story.
00:18:06.020a story that many of their readers are going to want to know about because many of their readers
00:18:10.360have autistic children right and have wondered what caused that or saw the change in their
00:18:15.840children but legacy media was funded is funded by um the pharmaceutical companies so i mean hugely
00:18:22.720funded by them i mean look at cnn it's i think it's like 70 percent of their ad budget is
00:18:27.920pharmaceuticals so all of this creates kind of a tangle of corruption and we never had the
00:18:34.120warriors we have now to open it up hang on let's by the way justice department also as you mentioned
00:18:41.140at the top after 15 years people forget not this doj uh they got their man um i'm going to play
00:18:47.380talk about cnn i want to play dana bash in this throwdown with bobby kennedy what they've been
00:18:51.560rubbing our nose in this for decades and it's all a lie let's play it and naomi wolf on the other
00:18:56.720side you're talking about therapeutics fine it is also factually true that the covid vaccine
00:19:03.040worked. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data upon data upon data. Let's talk about
00:19:10.040the measles, please, because this is something that is happening as we speak.
00:19:14.940You think the COVID vaccine protected children?
00:19:19.060I think that what I have talked to scientists and doctors about.
00:19:23.320You've talked to scientists. Can you look? Can you show me one study?
00:19:26.940It shows that children were protected by the COVID vaccine.
00:19:31.100I can tell you that there are more good than harm to children.
00:19:35.400Can you show me one study that shows that?
00:19:37.600I can tell you that when it comes to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that because of vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. saved.
00:19:51.600But because people didn't get the vaccine, that's why I'm not saying that it entire you are saying nonsense.
00:19:57.800You are saying something that you cannot show me.
00:21:32.220Wow, what a thankless job Secretary Kennedy has.1.00
00:21:36.620Well, of course, what I was thinking about when I saw her completely lose her composure as a reporter and and and be at a loss for words and certainly be unable to provide the evidence that she made such blithest assertions about, you know, a few beats.0.90
00:21:53.040prior, what I thought about was their funding. And I also thought about their liability. And the
00:21:59.560funding is from the pharmaceutical industry, of course. But what Secretary Kennedy was saying in
00:22:03.560that incredible clip, which I hadn't seen, is, you know, you scared the country to do something that
00:22:11.320there is no evidence was good for them. It's certainly not for many categories of Americans.
00:22:18.100You know, we know now that the COVID vaccine didn't save anybody, that more people were injured by the vaccine than saved by it.
00:22:26.500But the second thing I thought about, as I mentioned, is liability for the media, because if this case proceeds with Thorsen, and it will, right, everything indicates that it will.
00:22:37.840And, in fact, what's implied in the CHD article is that they're leaning on him, as they should, law enforcement, to turn people in, basically, for a plea deal, right?
00:22:49.680The negotiation is, okay, you can have this one.
00:33:01.660Naomi Wolf, the floor is yours, ma'am.
00:33:03.240Yeah, well, this audience has been on a journey with us and we with them in understanding exactly how bad science gets done and handed over to the government, funded by the government to serve private industry, notably the pharmaceutical industry.
00:33:20.280And I just want people to understand that Dr. Hooker of the CDC, I'm sorry, of the Children's Health Defense, and a researcher, Jeffrey Allen Trelka, looked at the Madsen-Thorsen study that has been used to say poo-poo vaccines and autism.
00:33:38.900And they concluded that, quote, they may it may have been skewed by participant selection and changes in diagnostic grouping and end quote.
00:33:47.680And that's exactly what we've seen in the Pfizer papers is kind of legitimate and sleight of hand where you change the grouping or you choose people who are more or less inclined to get sick, more or less inclined to die, more or less healthy when they started out or you change diagnostic groupings.
00:34:07.020And so you just call someone who's injured, you know, something else.
00:34:12.400And we've seen it over and over in the Pfizer papers.
00:34:14.680So it's definitely worth investigating, you know, with this guy under pressure.
00:34:20.100Other critiques of the studies are that he bypassed ethical reviews that are required
00:34:27.180for this category of research as required by federal law.
00:34:32.140I just want to remind everyone that Dr. Fauci's wife is the ethicist who oversees his work.
00:34:39.280So that's a gigantic loophole that covers up a lot of crime or enables a lot of potential crime.
00:34:46.940And this quote, I think, is important that, quote, given these irregularities, Thorsen should also be under investigation for data fraud as he clearly withheld data and could have altered data from the Danish official sources, according to Brian Hooker.
00:35:06.000So I just really wanted everyone to understand it's the same kind of cheating, really, and misrepresentation.
00:35:14.700We talk about misinformation, you know, intentionally bad, deceptive science, non-science, really propaganda that looks like science, that masquerades as science, that we saw with the Pfizer papers.
00:35:27.780Maybe worse. We haven't, you know, no one's dived into it yet, but that's exactly what the law enforcement's pressure is, I think, intended to do.
00:35:36.000Now, your next question about the midterms. I mean, Steve, I'm petrified. You know, yes, of course, if if we and I'm saying we now because I, you know, thoroughly embrace my new tribe of conservatives.
00:35:50.020if Republicans lose the House, if Republicans lose the midterms, it's going to be a completely
00:35:59.040changed world. And we're going to look back on this moment as a golden age that ended with a
00:36:06.800horrific crash and sent us to quarantine camps or, you know, led to the impeachment of Secretary
00:36:15.680Kennedy and the reinstatement of the pharmaceutical and other industry regime that treated your
00:36:23.140children's bodies like something to be trafficked, like a commodity, treated your own will as
00:36:29.900a parent as if it was meaningless, not just in this regard, but in all the other ways.
00:36:34.720I mean, it's going to be such a dystopia and we won't even be able to talk to each other
00:36:40.940to regroup or fight back because you can bet that censorship will come crashing down again
00:36:48.440on social media, maybe not on X, thanks to very courageous Elon Musk, but certainly on all the
00:36:55.100other platforms that have now said to President Trump, OK, OK, these people can have their voices
00:36:59.920back. That'll be over. And the new sheriffs in town from the Democratic side, the DSA sheriff,
00:37:10.940Right. Or the Marxists or jihadists will be rewriting every achievement and turning it into a new way to to oppress us, to silence us and to strip us of our liberties and our property and our rights.
00:37:27.740And this is such a perfect example of what's at stake if we lose the house.
00:37:32.640i know you're down for this fight so where do people go social media uh your site the new site
00:37:39.900daily clout all of it ma'am sure please come to dailyclout.io for the news and opinion
00:37:46.400and a network of commentators and over on substack my substack is called outspoken and please go to
00:37:55.440amazon and buy the pfizer papers if you haven't already so you know what all of this battle
00:38:02.540is really about and what's at stake and again my publisher was was on earlier and if it weren't for
00:38:08.040steve bannon and sky horse and x you know a handful of warriors for free speech none of us would have
00:38:14.180any idea of what was coming at us let alone how to fight it so thank you all thank you to the posse
00:38:19.540thank you steve and 3500 war and posse members volunteered under amy kelly and some great
00:38:26.380physicians and leaders and naomi have always seen the whole project the pfizer papers shocking but
00:38:32.120it's coming true every day as we drill down naomi thank you ma'am and thank you for the for bearing
00:38:38.080with us for the dolly part and taking up the first hour thank you ma'am appreciate you very welcome
00:38:42.660mark lucas uh the the veterans bill just let's do a level set where are we is collins pushing
00:38:52.480the right bill the white house wants is this going to get around the c the the cr the ndaa just
00:38:59.680people we have a lot of veterans in this audience a lot of people know the veterans uh administration
00:39:05.520needs some massive retorking so where are we well we support the take care of america's veterans
00:39:12.400act it's backed by the white house it will help protect and codify president trump's largest win
00:39:20.000for veterans his first term uh the mission act which will give veterans choice in their health
00:39:25.040care. And right now it's been reported by CNN, by Politico, by you and myself early on that VA
00:39:31.140Secretary Doug Collins has been undermining this bill, which is very surprising because he was a
00:39:35.960former congressman. And you would think that President Trump, when he selected him, would
00:39:40.300expect him to help him push his legislative agenda. But in fact, he's doing quite the opposite.
00:39:45.940Hold it. I don't understand this. You got to go slow for me. I don't understand this.
00:39:50.840we've got president Trump. I don't think there's a higher priority than get this veteran situation.
00:39:56.220The veterans administration's such a healthcare, the veterans sorted out the bill that they want.
00:40:02.640Collins ahead of the VA is not working to push this piece of legislation. Is that what you're
00:40:07.840telling me? Correct. And the worst kept secret at the VA is that Doug Collins wants to run for
00:40:14.840Senate in Georgia in 2028. So he's taken a posture of not rocking the boat. And when you look at any
00:40:22.840type of reforms at the VA, like the Take Care of America's Veterans Act, which includes the
00:40:27.300Access Act, it threatens 300,000 labor union members within the VA. And when you're running
00:40:34.640for office, you don't want to make any enemies. But what he's been doing behind the scenes is
00:40:39.300basically saying that he's got concerns with this bill. But when he's pressed privately,
00:40:43.060he will say that his position is the same as the White House.
00:43:29.140And they understand that if you give a veteran choice,
00:43:32.560and if they like the community care provider better than the VA,
00:43:36.280that threatens their budgets, their facilities, their jobs.
00:43:40.660And ultimately, these labor unions have been against choice from day one.
00:43:44.260And they've been also against accountability.
00:43:46.440We always see these same actors fighting against any type of reform,
00:43:49.420But when you pull it with the American people, like I did with Mark Mitchell, we found that 90% of the American people, bipartisan support, choice in veteran health care.
00:44:01.300Then we look at the Veterans Bill of Rights Act that we've introduced, that we support.
00:44:06.620That's got a 94% support across military voters, both Republican and Democrat.
00:44:12.580The American people believe that veterans earn choice in their health care.
00:44:16.720The only people that are blocking it are labor unions and a small group of VSOs that fear choice, that fear veterans having a choice to make in their health care decisions.
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