00:04:18.320your country your island of the irish republic you're in the north but you can comment quite
00:04:26.640easily on what's taking place south of the border baptisms there of kids are falling through the
00:04:34.220floor um so then let's start with you break this down um and then i'm going to bring in frank walk
00:04:42.820as well to suggest that what the Catholic Church is doing in response to these two dynamics is
00:04:49.440precisely the wrong thing. Their approach, their strategic institutional approach seems to be
00:04:55.680come for the truth, stay for the platitudes. It's not going to work. People who are coming to church
00:05:01.600for the first time are coming for the truth, and the institutional Catholic Church, the hierarchy,
00:05:06.880is not giving it it's giving platitudes of a left wing it's basically giving the platitudes
00:05:13.340of the very ideology that these young 20 year old guys are trying to get away from
00:05:20.820um but that's what they're getting from from the hierarchy jenny tell us as you i often say on the
00:05:27.320warm that you are one of the world's experts on on this trend right now tell us precisely start
00:05:31.880off with what's going on in the universities harvard of all places has declared basically
00:05:38.960its greatest ever pickup in um in um in adult baptisms uh yeah when i went through this process
00:05:49.52025 years ago it was the rcia the right of christian initiation of adults that's what the catholic
00:05:56.020church called it um now it's called the the oica the order of the initiation of christian
00:06:03.120adults but for folks who are more familiar with the term rcia it's the same thing and harvard
00:06:08.820and the chaplain harvard says figures are through the roof tell me what's happening there in in one
00:06:14.880of the great enemies of institutional christianity right now which is higher higher u.s higher
00:06:22.040education? I think it's a confirmation of that saying that every action has its equal and
00:06:30.020opposite reaction. And we've had, I don't know, four, three, four generations of sort of extreme
00:06:37.220secularism and out and out communism and industrialized extreme promiscuity.
00:06:46.000and it's taken maybe these four generations, but we are seeing the pendulum start to swing
00:06:53.020in the opposite direction. These numbers are staggering. So you actually sent me two articles.
00:07:00.400One was from Hallow, the app, which is the app that I use every day, and also Catholic World
00:07:06.860Report. And the numbers really are staggering. Like you said, you said Harvard, but they also
00:07:12.760mention nyu uh they mentioned bard um they mentioned a host of other colleges um and very
00:07:21.060interestingly in the hallow piece they quote a um deacon paul pesquera who says that in in his uh
00:07:29.700experience these big jumps in um attendance or conversion attendance and conversion programs
00:07:36.300has happened with zero marketing and always word of mouth.
00:07:41.880So really, I mean, this is just it is in data, the confirmation that we see sort of anecdotally on social media almost every single week.
00:07:52.080And yes, the numbers are still relatively small overall, because this is still, at least in terms of culture, wider culture, is still, I would say, a niche minority movement.
00:08:08.440But if you really think about it, you know, young people coming back to the church in the prime of their lives.
00:08:15.600I mean, obviously, that's a good thing in terms of this audience and in terms of the MAGA movement as a whole, the populist nationalist movement as a whole.
00:08:24.120But also really think about it. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't take the majority of young people to to agree for real substantive change to get underway.
00:08:35.860Remember that last week we saw that very interesting Compact magazine article about how even though young women are normally very much the smaller partner in the numbers in terms of it's mostly young men converting to traditional Catholicism,
00:08:52.760Georgina Mumford spoke to a handful of women in churches throughout England, I think, saying, giving their reasons why.
00:08:59.080You know, it doesn't take that many young women and young men to come together in order to essentially repopulate the true meaning of Catholicism, which, as you said in your opening, Ben, is not being represented at all by the actual Catholic Church hierarchy.
00:09:19.200this seems to be and frank you tell me if i'm wrong this seems to be a laity-led movement um
00:09:25.760and so these numbers coming from these two stories are really extraordinary like really extraordinary
00:09:30.740um jenny you weren't a scientist at school were you no
00:09:37.260what why do you say that because every action having an equal and opposite reaction i should
00:09:48.400check this before speaking right but i'm fairly sure that's one of newton's laws probably a second
00:09:53.780law of um of thermodynamics frank you've um you've frank you you've um spent your entire adult life
00:10:02.960following these things let's go back to that statistic just one moment if i wouldn't may
00:10:08.560And if I may, about the the OIA, the OCIA program at University of South California, the Caruso Catholic Center, the chaplain there who's been there for 14 years said that since he's been there now, the figure there has has an overall increase of 76 percent, which is phenomenal.
00:10:36.280And that's sort of, I think, reflective of what Jenny was just saying.
00:10:39.460It doesn't take a huge number in absolute terms to have in percentage-wise
00:11:45.460And how many opportunities do you think the institutional Catholic Church is going to get to keep these young guys forever?
00:11:55.420um it's very hopeful what uh jenny said about how many it doesn't take too many people coming
00:12:02.600together to repopulate and start a catholic movement and that is so true if there were
00:12:08.200just a smidgen of momentum towards catholicism in in this whole story other than the people
00:12:16.400winding up at the um you know at the at the at the front of a church then i would find hope
00:12:23.360But I'm thinking how many of these, because you have, and I'm going to, I'm sorry if I'm critical, but I've been through this material here and I can't help but feel critical about it.
00:12:32.560I mean, this is not the Catholic Church that they're going towards.
00:12:40.100The Leo Church is a sophisticated establishment with a media apparatus designed with it.
00:12:46.440And this HALOAP statistics and the survey that they put together, 60 different organizations, in the end, I think this is a media event most of all.
00:12:58.600Now, the fact that young people are increasing in numbers going to churches, I believe that.
00:13:05.120But when you look at, when they toss around ideas, like they said, 115% increase in OCIA programs in colleges, you know, that's, even in the very top of the 60 colleges they looked at, the first one is like 100 people.
00:13:21.340Then it goes down from there, you know, 40, 50, 20, some of them one or two.
00:13:26.320You know, Harvard has 20,000 people, and they're talking about, you know, increase of maybe 40 people.
00:13:32.640Well, I forget what it said, but USC has an awful lot of people, and they've only gone up from 26 to 44 recently.
00:13:42.240But what they're getting is, I think, from the HoloApp survey is a sort of event promoting LeoChurch.
00:13:53.540Just like they run polls in order to get people to go and vote, they want people to join the LeoChurch, and they want to make it look like lots of people are doing it.
00:14:01.800But and like you mentioned, Jen, you know, the Holy Spirit is involving without they're saying without any effort at all.
00:14:10.040But if you if you get to the interesting article about Harvard that we're talking about here, about people who came to Harvard and the Duffy family that went to Harvard,
00:14:19.260that the chaplain of Harvard gives the game away, I think, to some extent, not completely,
00:14:25.120but to some extent, when he says that the focus college student groups, which is tied to the
00:14:31.040to the hollow app and to the EW10 media establishment has puts a sports figure
00:14:38.020at the center of these prayer groups. And they have like 30 of them at Harvard.
00:14:43.740And these prayer groups are naturally they bring in one or two people here and there.
00:14:47.800They have people who you can admire start them, 30 of them at Harvard.
00:14:52.240So I think there's some sort of a – there's something that – a program that's being put in place in colleges.
00:14:58.960It's not just not unnatural, but it is that way to some extent.
00:15:04.980But it's also something that's created to an extent for a media event.
00:15:09.600I hope I haven't been too negative about things.
00:15:11.640I can't help but it's my nature to be critical.
00:15:15.600it it's absolutely essential because what the catholic church is offering out right now is
00:15:22.160basically um a fake vaccine it's fundamentally a fake vaccine arguably a dangerous vaccine you
00:15:29.860know where we get yeah this metaphor stretched pretty quickly into covid territory where
00:15:35.040arguably the vaccine that the catholic church the so-called institutional catholic church is
00:15:41.500pushing about pushing out right right now and being based on on a face fake fake gospel of
00:15:48.220their own invention is more dangerous like like like the covid vaccines more dangerous than the
00:15:53.480actual virus itself um yeah and i and i'll say why i think synthetic synthetic catholicism is
00:16:00.720more dangerous than believing nothing because if you're believing nothing you will realize sooner
00:16:06.540or later than that that you're believing nothing your life is guided by nothing if it doesn't have
00:16:10.940christ at the center of it if you are if you are suckered in and pulled in to to to fake synthetic
00:16:18.700catholicism and you're told by all the points of reference points of authority that this is the
00:16:26.260church this is the catholic church these are bishops these are cardinals this is the pope
00:16:31.080and part yeah some people will be will be suckered by that and they will end their quest for the
00:16:37.900truth there with absorbing a message which is fundamentally not of christ it's simply the
00:16:45.440message of the world uh with the outer veneer of superficial religiosity about it um and i'd
00:16:54.820suggest that's worse than not believing anything frank i'll come back to you let me just give a
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00:20:43.100because as I say, this is your day job.
00:20:44.920All, you know, everything that, this is the tragedy, everything that is motivating these young guys to go in to cross the threshold of their local Catholic chaplaincy, or even evangelical chaplaincy, frankly.
00:20:59.680They're going in, but a lot of what is being presented as institutional Christianity is not.
00:21:07.040And it's the same in Protestantism as it is in the Catholic Church.
00:21:11.600Just give me another 60 seconds, if you wouldn't mind, on the threats that are out there.
00:21:18.780Like you mentioned, social media and X, that's where they can find real Catholicism.
00:21:24.340They can find it there as well as anyplace else, and that's where they need to go if they want to get to the church.
00:21:30.560They don't need to just have a hunger for joy like they mentioned here.
00:21:33.980Now, the family of Secretary Duffy in that TV show where they went around and went to Harvard, Harvard said, they said, we don't want to send you to Harvard because we don't want you to lose your faith.
00:21:49.320And the chaplain said, there's nothing nefarious going on here.
00:21:53.940Don't worry if you've raised her right.
00:23:07.980Frank, you're giving me the – you're providing the segue into Jenny.
00:23:12.000Look, before I go to Jenny, and, you know, we might need to continue this
00:23:15.700after the break in just a couple of minutes.
00:23:18.040What Frank Walker just said, folks, is absolutely true.
00:23:21.420And I put my own name behind that 1,000%.
00:23:25.100So if you want to discover what the true, unchanging, traditional Catholic faith is about before going in to an untested Catholic chaplaincy at university,
00:23:42.900you can find exponents of the true faith like prophets out there in the wilderness on social media, even on X, even on X, they're there.
00:23:53.260um and they're doing great work i have frank i have to add a public health warning however to
00:24:00.600that satan is also there especially as much as there's truth as much as there's heroic witness
00:24:07.800out there in social media on the social media platforms like x satan is definitely there um
00:24:16.320the algorithm the algorithms i think themselves are testament to that you've almost got to be
00:24:21.520like odysseus with the the beeswax in the ears tied to the mast if you're going to get step onto
00:24:27.200um folks um for the for those who are aware of home i don't know if that's in the peasant film
00:24:32.920that scene is in the peasant film or not but it's a pretty strong metaphor i think of it of the the
00:24:39.380the sirens we even use the term still we we still use the term sirens they describe um temptations
00:24:46.900and temptation calls that it's don't go if you're going on to social media be very very wary it's
00:24:54.580a spiritual battlefield there are but there's both the holy spirit there and without any doubt
00:25:00.160whatsoever satan be very very careful um jenny will um though i endorse that that's not a
00:25:07.720correction of what frank walker said i endorse what he said i just had to add in my own tuppence
00:25:12.380onto that one uh jenny uh all however as we're talking about what's going on right now in u.s
00:25:18.940higher education and frank's also right when he says thirst thirsting for the truth isn't enough
00:25:25.260because you can easily be distracted and be pulled in by the demonic forces to things that
00:25:31.320won't lead to salvation though they may be presented as exactly that um tell me what's
00:25:38.820going on right now in the emerald isle because whilst young 20 year old americans are at least
00:25:44.520crossing the door of the local catholic catholic chaplaincy um the very opposite dynamic is taking
00:25:51.200place right now um in uh in and david quinn and the legendary david quinn and the iona institute
00:26:00.660which does fantastic work has has put the research together on this
00:26:04.980Yes, that's right. Iona Institute has come out with a study pertaining to baptism now. So this
00:26:12.560is not mass going numbers. Baptisms are down 30% in Ireland at the moment, which is a very
00:26:19.800precipitous drop. Birth rates in general are also down. But interestingly, following on from what
00:26:28.340you were saying frank um i i was at a mass recently in a very traditional part of ireland
00:26:35.060a family mass and the homily that the priest gave um he touched upon a story of a crime that's been
00:26:42.880committed here recently involving uh young men driving the wrong way um and that is a very weak
00:26:49.560response jenny hold on to this pick it up uh in two minutes after this short commercial break
00:26:56.620Back with J.D. Holland in two minutes.
00:32:38.240And Dublin now has a percentage of minus 40% in terms of baptisms down in 10 years.
00:32:48.260it's basically decline and failure in every single diocese that they spoke to apart from
00:32:58.120one diocese of elfin that had a 0.9 percent increase that was it the rest are in negative
00:33:05.660figures the rest are underwater tell me tell me then um about that and with the
00:33:12.060continue please the point you were making just before the break yeah so the point i was making
00:33:17.280was that I find whenever I go to mass in a sort of a mainstream church, which isn't very often,
00:33:25.760I have to say, but several times I've noticed that the kind of the religiosity that is being
00:33:35.600transmitted to the congregation really boils down to just be nice. And I don't think that's a
00:33:45.180winning message anymore. I don't think that is what it gets people fired up and what gets people
00:33:50.660committed and what gets people to really put their shoulders to the wheel and consider
00:33:56.620sacrificing of themselves, which is, you know, according to my most sort of basic understanding
00:34:04.020of Christianity is what we, what Christians are called to do, you know, being told by a sort of
00:34:11.120fey priest that, oh, hell is loneliness, or we should be worried about people who commit
00:34:18.020terrible crimes because, you know, in some sense, they're victims too. That ain't it. That ain't it.
00:34:25.600We are past that time. Unfortunately, what we can all see from social media,
00:34:33.480these sort of every week, some new horror of some terrible injustice. Society has become so
00:34:39.100disordered that it has made, um, criminals and perverts and, um, all these sort of like
00:34:46.600undesirable characteristics and undesirable people, we've made them into heroes and saints
00:34:52.360and we've got, and society has reordered itself to protect them whilst innocents and hardworking
00:34:58.280people and well-meaning people are punished or ignored or degraded in some way. I mean,
00:35:03.520There's countless examples of this across the West and social media.
00:35:07.260And in response, the priests, you know, again, I am generalizing here.
00:35:13.380I'm not saying every single priest on the island of Ireland is like this.
00:35:16.180But in my experience, I've heard several of them respond with these utterly banal messages that I don't, it doesn't surprise me at all that Irish baptism rates have dropped by 30 percent or, like you said, in Dublin, nearly 40 percent.
00:35:32.160Ireland is a very demoralized country right now. It is a country going through a cultural and a
00:35:38.860spiritual crisis. It has a huge problem with unvetted, undemocratic migrant import, importation
00:35:48.440of men who have been committing crimes that have gotten lots of attention, terrible housing costs.
00:35:55.540Um, you know, so the young, the, the young indigenous Irish are finding themselves having
00:36:01.260to emigrate to countries so that they can find work and afford to live and get and buy
00:47:10.520um and yet and yet oh sign of the changing times that is exactly what's taking place because
00:47:20.160apparently too many muslims are watching their washing their feet for their ritual ablutions
00:47:27.220in the sinks in the public lavatories so proper dedicated
00:47:32.040feet washing sinks are being installed in dallas um and it's dividing my tell you what it's
00:47:43.140dividing people and before i hand over to you because we've got like three minutes left on
00:47:47.260this all i want to say is steve bannon and ken paxton told america that this was going to happen
00:47:54.780in texas and everybody laughed at them and steve bannon and ken paxton were absolutely right there
00:48:02.860is an attempt to bring in sharia law via the back door in dallas texas they're the most american of
00:48:12.800american cities exactly what's tell me what's been taking place out there please so yeah i was going
00:48:19.540to say that exact thing the the war room audience is not going to be particularly shocked by this
00:48:24.560because they know that Bannon has been watching this like a hawk and has dedicated a show to it
00:48:29.660for the last number of months. So yeah, Dallas-Fort Worth, it became known on August 13th,
00:48:36.600the Daily Mail published a story that they had plans in place that they were about to carry out
00:48:41.480to install special rooms in which Muslim travelers could wash their feet, which is their custom before
00:48:49.680praying. Because like you said, it was like they were washing their feet in the sinks in the airport
00:48:54.260and it was causing problems. Two days later, the Daily Mail published a follow-up piece saying
00:49:00.600Governor Greg Abbott had basically kind of tried to put the kibosh on this and was calling for
00:49:06.960an investigation. And so it seems like maybe it's sort of in a stasis at the moment. Whether or not
00:49:14.160this actually happens, I think, is still under question mark as of this moment. However, this is
00:49:21.100pointing to a much larger problem. And it's not just Texas and it's not just Michigan. It's not
00:49:28.080just, you know, Natalie Winters today, your very own Natalie Winters published a story about a
00:49:34.100seminary in New Jersey that is being taken over by an Islamic school. The Girl Scouts, I believe,
00:49:42.000or the scouts have now started doing new badge badges to support Muslim faith practices.
00:49:53.180And obviously, I live in the United Kingdom where, you know, it's, you know, the religion of Islam has made huge and very deep inroads into power systems.
00:50:03.780And, you know, I as much as the next good liberal, I want to wish good, you know, good things upon people of other faiths.
00:50:14.500However, having said that, and I've made this point before, what makes good neighbors is strong fences.
00:50:20.480This is a confident, insurgent religion that is, you know, you could go so far as to say a supremacist religion, which has demographics and politics on its side in many, many, many places,
00:50:35.900versus a decrepit, utterly demoralized, hollowed out Christianity.
00:50:46.320And when I say that, I am referring to the elites and the hierarchies
00:50:53.720Like we started the show, there are green shoots growing.
00:50:57.240But those young people who are flocking to the conversions
00:51:01.280at universities in the United States have a very big job ahead of them.
00:51:05.060And that is going to, that have to entail confronting an insurgent Islam.
00:51:10.780Just, Frank Walker, I'm not sure that the Institutional Catholic Church has been called on to offer a view on these Sharia-compliant ablution rooms at Fort Worth Airport.
00:51:24.840But if they were asked, I'm sure they'd be supporting it in the name of freedom of religion.
00:51:32.020That's all we've got time for, 20 seconds.
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