00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.700Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.460If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.740War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:48.060Friday 18th of September and Domini 2000 and 26 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's
00:01:03.420war room um I've been quite enthusiastically looking forward to kicking off this show all
00:01:12.140week. My guest in the first half, Nick Tyrone, occasional writer for The Spectator, self-confessed
00:01:21.760neoliberal centrist and remainer in the great referendum 10 years ago in the United Kingdom,
00:01:29.680has written a quite simply amazing book on Reform UK, Nigel Farage's latest political
00:01:38.700iteration which many people and i'm one of them i was i said like what for my new year's review
00:01:45.960back in the uh the changing of the years of 24 25 i said on 1st of january i went on record i said
00:01:53.800that nigel farage was going to be the next prime minister wrong on that one precisely technically
00:01:59.720i think he will be prime minister but andy burnham got in there first all right nick welcome on to
00:02:05.960the war room um you have one of your chapters we're not going to discuss the specific chapter
00:02:12.180itself um but you have one of the reasons i was looking forward to talking to you is that you
00:02:17.880have a chapter dedicated to an old mate of mine gawain tola um that he and i have known one another
00:02:26.480what coming up to 30 years um you say in in in your chapter on a great guy fantastic guy
00:02:34.820You say in the book that because you interview quite a lot of people who have background on this over many years.
00:02:45.340And you say that basically for the last 20 years, Gawain has been agitating very firmly for Nigel Farage, which is true.
00:02:55.140Of course, his dirty little secret, which I will explode here on the war room, is that before being a very strong supporter for Nigel Farage, he was a Tory.
00:03:10.340That's how I know him. We both worked for the same Tory MEP.
00:03:15.540Before that, he was a member of parliament, NERJ Diva, and sort of various stages, various overlaps.
00:03:24.680I'll just give you this insight, Nick, into Gawain.
00:03:28.800I was at some point, as I might have mentioned on the show previously, chief of staff to NERJ in the European Parliament.
00:03:36.200I took over that role from Gawain. He was NERJ's chief of staff before me.
00:03:42.280I have to say, back in those days, I was just coming out of a period
00:03:48.120where I was a fanatical pro-European and Tory wet.
00:03:52.460I have to say on the record, Gawain was right about everything and I was wrong.
00:04:33.840He has absolutely consistency on these issues.
00:04:38.460Okay, so you have written elsewhere that the rise of the Reform Party since 2024, the general election, is, in your words, one of the most unbelievable stories in the history of British politics.
00:04:56.460So I have you for the whole 27 minutes now as we start to break this down.
00:04:59.960Start off, if you wouldn't mind, Nick, and explain exactly why that is
00:05:03.720and why someone who is a self-confessed neoliberal centrist and remainer
00:05:11.140saying that, and not in a pejorative sense,
00:05:16.240in a quite positive sense about what Nigel Farage is doing.
00:05:22.300In your own words, please, Nick Tyrone.
00:05:24.740Certainly. So I think one of the things to give it background is I spent a little bit of time
00:05:30.360in 2023, 2024, I went round Britain. And for this was before I started researching the book,
00:05:42.280I was going to some of the poorest areas of Britain. So I spent a lot of times in Teesside,
00:05:49.740which is the northeast of England. I spent a lot of time in some of the poor areas of the northwest,
00:05:54.320So places like Rochdale or Ashton or Lyme.1.00
00:05:59.460And one of the things that I came upon whilst doing this was migrant hotels.
00:06:05.920And I had sort of, you know, obviously I knew about migrant hotels.
00:06:10.120I'd read the news. I knew the basics of what they were.
00:06:14.300But I didn't really have any idea of the reality of them until I actually spent some time around them,
00:06:21.820had been to a few, had listened to some local people in towns where they had migrant hotels.
00:06:29.120And I think it's worth backgrounding migrant hotels because I think it's one of the big
00:06:33.480reasons why reform are as popular as they are. So just to give all your viewers some sort of
00:06:43.380idea, whether they're in Britain or they're not, the essence is you have a group of young men,
00:06:50.160usually 18 to 25 years old from Africa from the Middle East and they are getting to northern
00:06:58.460France and they are getting on small boats and they are getting to the southern coast of England
00:07:03.160and when they get to the southern coast of England what happens is they are taken off the coach they
00:07:08.460are taken off the boats and then they are put on coaches buses and they are bussed essentially to
00:07:15.600some other part of the country some usually some part of england or wales and they are put up in
00:07:20.960a hotel and when they when i say put up in the hotel what i mean is at taxpayer's expense they
00:07:26.560are put in the hotel and it's free room and board so they get three meals a day and they are in the
00:07:33.800hotel and uh and and this goes on indefinitely and the amount of money that the british uh
00:07:42.980government is spending on this at the moment is somewhere, it depends on the year, between
00:08:05.120A lot of the migrant hotels in Britain tend to be in post-industrial areas, let's say.0.88
00:08:11.380So an American equivalent would be bits of Ohio, Michigan, that kind of thing.0.99
00:08:17.960And they're put there and, again, on taxpayers' expense, right?0.97
00:08:24.280So you can imagine like if – this would be thousands and thousands of Mexicans being put in these hotels in Ohio or Michigan.0.98
00:08:34.420And the idea that the American government was spending per capita would be on the level of 20 million, 20 billion pounds a year to put these people up and to do all that.0.91
00:08:47.340And I think that's an important thing to understand when you want to understand what's happening with reform and why reform have become as big as they have done, why they've had the success that they've had, and why I think that despite the problems that they're having at the moment, some of the crises, which we can discuss, I still think that they are odds on to be the biggest party after the next general election.
00:09:13.080all right in the um second half of the show we're going to have ryan bridge on the founder of um
00:09:20.680raise the colors the the grassroots organization in the uk raising the saint george's flag um we're
00:09:27.500discussing with him exactly the phenomenon you're describing that the ferrying across
00:09:33.720the english channel there's um in the guardian this this week uh the home secretary released
00:09:40.680in response to a parliamentary question.
00:09:44.020The amount of taxpayers' money the British state is spending
00:09:47.980for each person returned to France under the one-in-one-out scheme,
00:12:48.500The British state has £56,000 sterling to send each invader back to their own country.
00:12:59.400And the Home Secretary defends this, this disgusting outrage, saying,
00:13:04.340No, well, look, it's just it's the amount of money we would spend on them hosting them in the UK anyway, as if that is somehow an explanation.
00:13:11.860When old people, elderly people, pensioners in the UK, Nick, who've contributed into the system their entire lives are limited to putting one bar on their electric heater in one room of their house in winter.
00:13:27.040Yes. Well, what we're having is a situation where exactly as you say, these are some of the poorest areas of Britain.
00:13:33.920So it isn't like you're having migrants come in, and they're getting three square meals a day on the taxpayer. They are in a hotel, and it's indefinite how long they can stay. I mean, that's a lot down to the complete inadequacies of the British state.0.99
00:13:55.800And actually, I think we need to touch on that because I think one of the big things that's also in the background is the failure of the Conservative Party and the Labour Party over the past couple of decades, at the very least.
00:14:09.240Nick, hold on to that. Hold on to that. We'll hit the failure of the Tory party in the Labour Party in many decades.
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00:17:19.840were just about to explain for us because these things are related they would they you we would
00:17:26.720not have the situation that nigel farage is a general election away from being prime minister
00:17:34.840whenever that election is going to be that would not be the case had there not been appalling
00:17:42.240i mean almost we're dealing with um mal political malpractice on behalf of the even to give them
00:17:51.680good faith interpretations of their actions on behalf of the the two major political parties
00:17:56.940in your own words right just go through why has the british tory party the world's oldest political
00:18:03.980party why is that now on the verge of extinction thanks to nigel farage why is the labour party
00:18:10.060why has it done the switcheroo midterm why has it got rid of keir starmer and brought in in
00:18:15.540desperation and be burnham what's going on in british politics because it's the same phenomenon
00:18:21.960and you'll see this that even the gop i mean donald trump has made some mistakes in the white
00:18:28.000house right but the gop the institutional gop is just trying sitting watching the at the clock
00:19:00.460So the Conservative Party was in government for 14 years, and during that period of time, taxation went way up, immigration went way up, and actually, maybe for some people, the biggest sin was wokeness just ran completely rampant through British institutions.
00:19:19.760I mean, really quite badly, actually. And so it left people wondering what's conservative about this, this government in any meaningful sense. And you had people on the left who want to get rid of them, then suddenly you had people on the right who wanted to get rid of them, you had that you essentially, we kind of came together as a country and went, actually, the Conservative Party seems to be bankrupt, ideas wise, and needs to be got rid of.
00:19:49.760And that's exactly what happened. So the 2024 general election, they went down to 121 seats, which is the lowest they've ever been, by the way, in their entire history. And what we ended up with then is a Labour government that had a big majority of 400 plus with Keir Starmer as prime minister. And he just completely failed for two years.
00:20:13.980I mean, people voted him in on the hope of some form of change, some light of, you know, some ray of hope that perhaps just getting rid of the Tories would somehow fix the problems.
00:20:25.740And then we ended up in a situation whereby Starmer was so bad he had to go two years after he'd won a massive majority at a general election because he was just simply that bad.
00:20:36.220And then he's been replaced by Andy Burnham, who so far sort of wants to be kind of the mayor of the United Kingdom.
00:20:45.480That's how he's sort of pitching himself.
00:20:47.580When he came in, just for background, particularly for American viewers, he was mayor of Manchester for almost a decade.
00:20:55.840And he came in and all of his announcements so far, some people are saying it's like Starmer with a better TikTok account.
00:21:04.900some people are saying oh i don't think that's true though no i think you're probably right i
00:21:11.040don't i think that i think i'd agree with you on that i think in some senses burnham is actually
00:21:17.060quite worse um he's definitely more he's definitely more left-wing i think uh in a
00:21:26.020well that's not the worst sin hang on nick that's not the worst sin look i'm not a socialist i'm a
00:21:32.640free market capitalist i'm actually a free market capitalist of libertarian persuasion but being
00:21:38.840left wing isn't the worst sin right it's the globalism it's the pro-war lobby that's in charge
00:21:45.760of both political parties on the labor side however masquerading at election time as being
00:21:52.680parties of of of of of the ordinary working guy but having no interest whatsoever in trying to
00:22:02.620this goes back to your opening point they have no interest and this is why the toy party the
00:22:08.440labor party are the same they have no interest whatsoever in the ordinary working guy it's quite
00:22:14.560astonishing and i'm not sure i'm not sure i think i think the idea of dismissing um andy burnham as
00:22:22.720like keir starmer with better tiktok it's just a sort of dumb thing that the toy party will say
00:22:28.840as you know they're throwing they're throwing anything at the wall thinking it will stick i
00:22:35.180don't think it will stick because i don't think it's true um they had that look that both parties
00:22:40.660have had both regimes have had their chance i am still waiting look if he's going to be left-wing
00:22:47.200if he's going to raise taxes as i say i i i'm i am a free market capitalist i am a libertarian
00:22:54.780But if he's going to raise taxes and try and do something at the same time for ordinary working guy, I'll suspend judgment. It's better than raising taxes and funding war. It's better than raising taxes and doing nothing whatsoever for the invasion crisis. I'm prepared to give Andy Burnham at least the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
00:23:20.020but in the point here to do with nigel farage however this is someone who has never been
00:23:29.620part of a political party that has governed great britain his hands are totally clean
00:23:36.020whether burnham succeeds or burnham doesn't and i don't think the system will let him the system
00:23:41.160of which he is a part will let him succeed burn i'm talking about nigel farage represents something
00:23:47.840new and uncontrollable um and he has been enormously consistent just look we've got about
00:23:55.740a minute left would you synthesize your your um your analysis here and i and i'll just give a
00:24:01.760quick shout out again to to your book which comes out i think this week um the rise of reform the
00:24:08.040inside story of britain's political disruptors i very strongly uh push this book and recommend it
00:24:14.880Tie it together. Why is Nigel Farage, outside of the system, the choice that Britons need to lean towards at the next election?
00:24:27.280So I think it really comes down to the fact that every other party is broken to a huge extent.
00:24:33.880The Conservative Party want us to look past 14 years of mismanagement on the idea that Kemi Badenok is now leader.
00:24:43.280I would say that I don't think that's enough.
00:24:48.860They told us that Starmer was the new dawn and it hasn't turned out to be the case.
00:24:55.420Every other possibility is quite depressing and quite poor.
00:24:59.980We would have a possibility of, say, a Labour, Lib Dem, Green, possibly SMP, which is the
00:25:08.720Scottish National Party sort of coalition, which would be a nightmare.
00:25:13.580I think we're probably going to be left at the next election with a choice, which will be some sort of Labour-led coalition of the type I've just described, or a reform government led by Nigel Farage.
00:25:27.080And I think that given the choice, I think everything being equal, I think that people will opt for Nigel Farage's prime minister.
00:25:38.720Yeah, I think I think I think so, too. I think I think because I don't think Andy Burnham is going to be able to fulfill the hopes that the desperate hopes that the British people have put in him because he's part of the wrong political movement to do that.
00:25:55.060All right. By the way, just give me five seconds. You don't think I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I'm right in thinking you don't think that Nigel Farage should have fielded a candidate at Makerfield at the by-election.
00:26:08.720uh what in makerfield no no i think he should have yeah okay fine yeah i don't i don't i don't
00:26:17.420think you i don't think you should have even fielded a candidate um in that time round all
00:26:21.520right okay where do people go excuse me sorry interesting that's all i said yeah interesting
00:26:28.320um where do people go to to to click to buy your book and to follow you on social media
00:26:36.260certainly well the book is called uh as you said the rise of reform the inside story of britain's
00:26:43.680political disruptors you can find it everywhere really uh it's obviously on amazon but it will be
00:26:50.440uh you know most major book chains are holding it so uh if you're interested in it please give it a
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00:46:48.740We're not even net change zero, right?
00:46:52.120And the Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmood, defended this practice and this expense by saying, oh, well, at the end of the day, it's what we would have spent anyway on putting them in the migrant hotels or giving them the three square meals a day.
00:47:15.500Ryan Bridge, that is how badly the British state, the British government, the Uni Party, presently in the hands of the Labour Party, that is how badly they spend your tax pounds, right?
00:47:32.360i'm sure ryan bridge you are more assiduous with your personal housekeeping
00:47:37.560and your own money and how you spend it so just not to waste it like most normal people right
00:47:45.500when when the british state like like the american government takes your money via
00:47:49.900taxes they they waste it and they spend it with with abandon the tide is turning right in the uk