Bannon's War Room - September 24, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 1093: AFONSO GONÇALVES, Leader Of Reconquista; And VADIM DERKSEN, Senior Editor Of Junge Freiheit

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00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to
00:00:10.520 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people
00:00:17.100 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do
00:00:21.260 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and
00:00:24.620 Where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:00:27.900 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.220 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.660 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.620 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:54.620 Good evening. Welcome to Steve Bannon's War Room with me, your host this evening, Ben
00:01:00.480 Harnwell. Okay, so we have, I think, one of the most remarkable young guys leading any
00:01:10.120 political movement across the whole of continental Europe right now, Afonso Gonçalves from Portugal,
00:01:19.520 leading the founder and leader of the Reconquista movement.
00:01:23.960 Efon, so just wait for one moment,
00:01:25.940 because as the introduction to you this evening,
00:01:28.980 I want to show the audience you getting arrested recently,
00:01:35.320 which indicates exactly where we are right now
00:01:38.280 in the defense of democracy.
00:01:49.520 This is Portugal. You are not welcome here.
00:02:04.180 Here is Sol Lusitano. 1.00
00:02:06.640 This land belongs to the Portuguese and to no longer anyone. 0.97
00:02:11.740 Portugal belongs to the Portuguese.
00:02:14.300 Portugal is the Portuguese country.
00:02:16.520 The Portuguese people never died to be substituted on their own land,
00:02:22.520 to see hundreds of thousands of invasions from here,
00:02:26.520 to be invaded all these days, 0.96
00:02:31.520 people who don't part of our culture, 0.97
00:02:34.520 don't part of our religion, 1.00
00:02:36.520 don't part of our way of being. 1.00
00:02:38.520 The Portuguese people never part of this. 1.00
00:02:41.520 I'm a little Portuguese, and I've been tired for a long time 1.00
00:02:45.180 of this miserable proportional substitution
00:02:48.060 and to close the eyes of accepting this.
00:03:08.280 So as we saw from the footage there,
00:03:10.300 you were giving your your speech and you were carted off by the police by the portuguese police
00:03:16.300 in the opening scenes i don't know if it was evident but i want to put the background there
00:03:20.060 there was actually a march and is islamist march taking place um in portugal right and your your
00:03:27.980 response was to the basically to to the to the muslims who were doing a march of domination
00:03:34.300 through the public streets i've looked on social media i did not see anyone from the islamic march
00:03:40.860 getting arrested and carted off by the police i only saw that happening to you so why folks did
00:03:47.580 i be why did i say that alfonso gonzaro is as far as i am concerned one of the most remarkable
00:03:57.020 leaders of a political movement in continental europe well for this reason his political
00:04:01.500 movement is so new it hasn't even been officially registered yet and already it's on 5.2 percent
00:04:09.740 in the polls and that sets up the theme of tonight's show which is the magic around five
00:04:15.820 percent this new political movement in portugal reconquista is on over five percent and as we'll
00:04:23.820 break down in the second half of the show in germany the the cdu in the latest state elections
00:04:29.500 in mecklenburg um western pomerania has now fallen belief five percent massive overtaking
00:04:36.820 of trajectories here but it's the same thing at the heart of this and that is the invasion that
00:04:42.720 is taking place across continental europe right now if also tell sort of the word comes to you
00:04:48.680 right now you have the migrant tell me why did you set up this political movement in portugal
00:04:54.720 Isn't there already a movement on the right, which is supposed to be anti-invasion?
00:05:02.700 Hello, hello to the audience and thanks for inviting me.
00:05:07.760 It's a pleasure to be here with you today.
00:05:10.920 So regarding your question, I think the answer is in the video that you just showed to our audience.
00:05:17.960 That video shows a young man who has committed no crimes, who is totally innocent of any crimes, who for the last couple of years at least has been thoroughly investigated and heavily persecuted by a regime that is a totally tyrannical regime against nationalists and against identitarians.
00:05:41.960 I have had my bank accounts frozen, I've been persecuted, I've been illegally detained,
00:05:48.280 I've been offended, and I've been assaulted and harassed in the streets for standing up for what
00:05:55.880 I believe is right, and that is nation, for the values of my nation. And for that reason,
00:06:01.640 I have been, as you've seen, treated as a criminal. As you rightly pointed out, there were no Muslims 1.00
00:06:06.760 arrested in this extremist event, in this extremist march, and this is the Shiite part 1.00
00:06:14.680 of the Islam religion, so the most extremist sect, and they are importing, we are importing 0.92
00:06:20.520 unfortunately terrorists, we are importing criminals, we are importing assassins, we are 1.00
00:06:25.640 importing thieves, and even the ones who are not any of those things, they have no intention
00:06:31.000 to assimilate, to contribute, and to adapt to our culture, and this video highlights
00:06:35.800 it. This video highlights just that me as a Portuguese man, I'm simply defending my country
00:06:41.120 in my own country and I'm being arrested and the invaders are celebrating in my face. They are
00:06:47.860 shouting, they are celebrating, they're so happy that the only real opposition to their immigration 0.68
00:06:55.040 process, the only real opposition to this total invasion is being arrested by the forces, the
00:07:03.400 security forces and the police forces of the country that I am trying to protect and defend. 0.56
00:07:08.980 So we are a totally captured nation by immigration and demographic replacement. And this is exactly 0.99
00:07:14.880 why we have decided to fund our movement, Reconquista, which, as you also rightly pointed
00:07:24.220 out, is already falling at 5.2% without even being a registered political party. And in my opinion,
00:07:31.800 this speaks
00:07:33.300 not so much of the merits
00:07:35.600 or the successes of our activism
00:07:37.600 or our political work
00:07:39.120 it speaks more to the failure of the system
00:07:42.080 and also the failure
00:07:43.500 getting to your question
00:07:44.700 why did we now discuss
00:07:47.400 becoming a political party
00:07:49.000 a registered political party
00:07:50.280 because this speaks of the failure
00:07:52.120 of the traditional right-wing parties
00:07:54.540 and also of the new populist right-wing parties
00:07:57.780 at least in the Portuguese case
00:07:59.380 which is Chega
00:08:00.200 which doesn't have a coherent re-migration proposal.
00:08:05.200 Doesn't have a coherent re-migration proposal.
00:08:06.900 And that's exactly what we need.
00:08:08.160 So if they are not going to defend that, then someone needs to.
00:08:11.820 And that is our job and our task.
00:08:14.440 Well, let's just break this down because our audience is largely American.
00:08:19.860 It is an international audience, but it is largely American.
00:08:22.840 And many of our viewers will be familiar here in Italy with the Fratelli d'Italia, which is, as the press doesn't cease to talk about, a party that grew out of the fascist party of Mussolini.
00:08:41.900 But it's effectively a standard centre-right political party in governance.
00:08:47.260 now this is a political party that as i was saying the world's media says it's post-fascist
00:08:54.880 and all the rest of it but and and if you look at the rhetoric they certainly seem to be suggesting
00:09:00.540 that they're against the invasion um but that it's only in terms of superficial performative
00:09:08.960 opposition right which is why here in italy we've had a response to this further to the right of
00:09:15.340 georgia maloney which is a new political movement set up by general roberto vanacci
00:09:21.160 um and i think what what you what you've done in portugal is is similar to that because shager
00:09:28.360 says which is supposedly the the far-right political party um in portugal shager says
00:09:35.860 we're against the invasion well that may or may not be true but what they're absolutely not
00:09:42.900 clear about and I think this is why what you're saying about the reasons that you've founded this
00:09:47.460 new political movement is that what they're not dealing with is remigration the sending of people
00:09:55.140 back who have ended illegally um and it's not acceptable for center-right political parties
00:10:01.340 say okay we'll have an amnesty we'll regularize everyone and then we'll enforce the borders
00:10:05.940 that's simply not acceptable the numbers of the people who've come in over recent years is too 0.98
00:10:11.440 they're too great they can't be absorbed people aren't coming to assimilate anyway these people
00:10:17.400 need to go back to their own countries and i think that's exactly what reconquista has been
00:10:22.960 founded to do and i would recommend to people because i say we have a largely american audience
00:10:29.400 but we have people across continental europe tuning into this program so i would say to my
00:10:34.960 friends across the political um spectrums across europe they need to look at what reconquista is
00:10:42.620 doing in portugal right and imitate it it's not enough to say no more you have to start sending
00:10:48.700 you have to start sending back the people who have come in illegally right and why is reconquista so
00:10:54.640 important to this right it comes back to the point i was mentioning at the beginning you haven't even
00:11:01.380 registered yet as an official political party and you're on 5.2 percent and by the way that was a
00:11:08.280 very reputable pollster that came out with that statistic that this isn't someone that you could
00:11:13.820 just go to make a donation under the counter and get them to produce statistics that show you doing
00:11:19.620 well this was one of port portugal's most respected um and uh trustworthy pollsters so the thing is
00:11:27.760 you are probably already higher than 5.2 percent um as some calculations have suggested that you
00:11:36.100 could easily get up to uh to 25 percent which is that is already the section of the portuguese
00:11:43.100 and especially amongst generation z that i have a positive view towards you and you haven't even
00:11:49.300 found it yet so what i think you're doing here right on the on the southwesterly most corner
00:11:55.640 of continental europe is setting a new political movement up that needs to be copied and imitated
00:12:02.660 right across continental europe i repeat it's not enough to say stop the invasion that's half of it
00:12:10.840 the second half is almost it's more important send them back send back the people who've come
00:12:17.200 in illegally so tell me a bit more about the the situation in portugal afonso if you wouldn't mind
00:12:23.140 And specifically, what is the reaction to the political class, the political establishment in Portugal to the fact that you are already over that 5.2, the 5% threshold?
00:12:39.160 I think you have a 5% threshold, electoral threshold in Portugal for electoral representation in parliament.
00:12:46.180 But you're on 5.2% already so quickly, and you're obviously going to go quite a substantial degree further.
00:12:56.520 Is the political class treating you with the fear that the German political class is responding to the AFD right now, for example?
00:13:08.080 Yes, yes. You put it perfectly.
00:13:10.600 To take it back to the example that you gave about Italy, Giorgia Meloni, before she was elected into power, had a very strong rhetoric about immigration.
00:13:24.360 And her rhetoric was even stronger than Shega's rhetoric now. 0.71
00:13:29.660 And now she's moderating, of course, now that she's in power. 0.96
00:13:32.940 She has done absolutely nothing to achieve re-migration. 0.96
00:13:36.900 And if you are promoting re-migration before you get into power and you fail to deliver, then no wonder the people who are not even, the parties who are not even defending it before they get into power, which is the case of Chega. 0.87
00:13:53.120 So they will be even more moderate, even more to the left of Giorgio Meloni. 0.99
00:13:58.080 So your analysis is totally, totally right.
00:14:01.140 We have a catastrophic situation in Portugal. 1.00
00:14:04.340 we have the highest in terms of percentage, we have the highest relative growth of immigration 1.00
00:14:10.520 population over the course of the last six, seven years. And now, at the moment, we have
00:14:16.400 almost 25% of our population that is immigrants, that is not Portuguese. And that's without 1.00
00:14:24.860 tracking, without counting the illegal immigrants and the naturalized immigrants, so the ones who
00:14:31.780 already have acquired citizenship and the youngsters they feel that every day they feel
00:14:37.600 that in the public services they feel that when they need to go to the hospital if they do or if
00:14:43.600 their grandparents or parents do need to to go to the hospital they feel that in public
00:14:48.720 transportation they feel that in the work market that their their wages have been dumped and have
00:14:55.740 been reduced by this wage dumping effect caused by mass migration, they feel it in the housing
00:15:02.000 market. Young people now in Portugal have been completely let behind by mass migration and the
00:15:10.960 effect on the housing crisis. So, of course, that they support Reconquista, as you rightly pointed 0.61
00:15:16.880 out. 25%, that's how much of the general population supports me or have a positive or very positive
00:15:25.100 opinion of my work and political activism. But across the youth, it's almost at one-third. So
00:15:32.860 one out of every three young people in Portugal support the face or the enemy, the face of the
00:15:42.780 demonization, the political demonization in Portugal, the one who is called a xenophobic,
00:15:47.340 a fascist, a racist, a Nazi. That's the one that the youth really heavily support. Almost one out 0.96
00:15:53.820 Out of every three, youngsters have a positive or very positive opinion about us.
00:15:58.640 Regarding the political class, it is treating us with contempt and trying to purposefully ignore us.
00:16:05.660 But they are not able to carry on with that strategy because it's become too obvious that this idea is destined to win.
00:16:14.920 Every day, more and more people support us.
00:16:17.640 Ever since the poll came out, we've only gained in support.
00:16:23.240 In the past, they have already frozen my accounts,
00:16:27.440 cancelled my bank accounts, frozen my funds,
00:16:32.160 and stopped me from creating a new bank account.
00:16:34.740 So I only expect that they will be trying to censor me, persecute me,
00:16:38.920 because they know they are wrong, we are right,
00:16:40.940 and that in turn will make even more people support.
00:16:43.740 i'm gonna ask you just in a couple of moments to break that down like for example the um not just
00:16:50.900 the debanking but the suppression of your accounts your profiles on social media the statistics
00:16:57.180 are really quite incredible just give me that figure if you wouldn't mind again though that
00:17:02.000 the generation z support for you that is quite phenomenal right one in three
00:17:07.900 One in three young people support reconquest. That is an astonishing result. What do you attribute that to?
00:17:18.440 I attribute that to the fact that the youth understand and feel clearly
00:17:24.580 that they have been totally left behind by a traitorous political class 1.00
00:17:29.540 that has tried to replace them with immigrants from the third world 1.00
00:17:34.220 and they feel that there is no hope, there is no tomorrow 1.00
00:17:37.880 there is no future to look forward to because they can't get a house
00:17:42.480 they can't get a reasonable job and on top of that
00:17:45.940 they need to pay all of these completely redundant taxes and completely unnecessary taxes so that the 1.00
00:17:53.180 immigrants can come here and live off of welfare and impress and impose their religion and their 1.00
00:17:59.440 values on us. So they have no hope and they see that we give them hope and we do. And I am here 1.00
00:18:04.840 to tell all the Portuguese youngsters and Portuguese people and the youngsters across
00:18:08.900 Europe, that we do give them hope and we will never let them down.
00:18:15.720 Alfonso, just stay with me one moment.
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00:20:29.200 me if you wouldn't mind because i've seen thanks to our friends by the way at remix media great guys
00:20:34.600 um they have written about the suppression of your accounts on social media and these figures
00:20:42.580 are simply astonishing um i've you know i've not seen anything quite this bad probably apart from
00:20:49.440 outside of the afd in germany this is full-on totalitarian suppression so you have a number
00:20:55.440 of accounts four youtube accounts have been suppressed 16 16 16 16 tick tock accounts have
00:21:06.560 been so though it would appear that the powers who govern this world are trying to shut you down
00:21:13.120 because they are scared that your message not only will get out but the more people who hear
00:21:19.820 message the more people will support you that's clearly the uh the the strategy here tell me about
00:21:26.000 that tell me about the debanking i myself have been debanked here in italy i was debanked by
00:21:31.880 uni credits from one day to the next they they closed my account i'd never been in debit with
00:21:37.080 them for a single day they the bank manager phoned me up said we're closing your account you've got
00:21:42.600 like 24 hours to come and sign the papers um tell me what is the regime the portuguese regime
00:21:52.580 doing the junta in um portugal the undemocratic regime in portugal tell me the sheer horror of
00:22:01.080 how they are trying to suppress you it's too late because your political movement is already on 5.2
00:22:08.300 and you haven't even registered yet as a political party too late but they are trying to suppress you
00:22:13.720 tell me in your own words what you've been uh yes so exactly exactly what you said so regarding
00:22:19.660 social media i've had 16 tiktok accounts banned regarding youtube i'm totally banned for forever
00:22:29.900 i would say i the minute i create an account the account just gets deleted if i do it from a
00:22:36.960 different laptop or I ask someone to do it the minute they post a video of myself then the account
00:22:45.500 gets also deleted immediately and banned by YouTube. Regarding my debanking that was a really
00:22:53.400 hard situation hard process a couple of months ago five six months ago now I had three bank
00:23:01.040 accounts in portugal plus an international revolute account which a lot of people have
00:23:07.580 nowadays and all of those four bank accounts in a couple of days distance they were closed down
00:23:14.500 the funds were frozen and i was not able to create a new bank account in portugal and the
00:23:21.960 legal term for that is sob in portuguese it means suspension of banking operations
00:23:28.140 suspensão de operações bancárias
00:23:30.340 in Portuguese, that means
00:23:32.240 that you are not able to have
00:23:33.940 a banking activity in
00:23:35.840 your country, literally
00:23:38.200 you are not able to create
00:23:40.220 a bank account, to use
00:23:41.660 a debit or a credit card
00:23:43.860 you are not able to do any activity
00:23:46.320 that has to do with banking
00:23:48.300 so they really wanted to basically
00:23:50.340 destroy my life and make it
00:23:52.340 completely impossible for me to
00:23:54.320 have a normal day to day and
00:23:56.260 in the process destroy the movement but they have not been able to do it because we have
00:24:01.700 such a huge tremendous support every day in the streets when i'm walking with someone or i'm going
00:24:08.300 somewhere people stop me young and old rich and poor men and women they stop to take photos they
00:24:14.560 stop to really show appreciation for what we are doing this is why we are falling at 5.2 percent
00:24:20.560 which, by the way, is more than both of the far-left lunatics parties in Portugal.
00:24:27.480 So the left bloc and the Communist Party, which we do have a Communist Party in Portuguese Parliament,
00:24:33.400 both of them together have less or the same as us.
00:24:38.420 We are not even a registered political party.
00:24:41.380 We have a budget that's 10 times lower than their budget.
00:24:46.680 We don't go on TV. We are not interviewed.
00:24:49.120 the leftist terrorists are interviewed in the evening news. They get airtime. We are never
00:24:55.440 interviewed. We are lied about in the press. We have 10 times less money than the political parties
00:25:03.000 who have half of our voting intentions. And yet we have 5.2% of the support whilst being debanked
00:25:10.020 and being completely demonized by the media and by the institutions. This is not to say that I
00:25:15.620 have a lot of merit or that i am doing a wonderful job this is to say that the portuguese people are
00:25:20.980 completely fed up they are tired they want an alternative and they want their interests put 0.99
00:25:26.620 first by once they want portugal first and they want a remigration of those immigrants that 0.65
00:25:34.020 really should go back to their time um i just want to say you mentioned um the uh the debanking
00:25:42.340 in portugal the people involved you and you said the the acronym for the debanking in um in it was
00:25:50.400 sob the people responsible for the debanking here in the west in english we call them sobs
00:25:57.460 as well um right i want to be the first person here on the war room right um to say i think you
00:26:05.620 are going to be president of portugal i've never seen anything explain exposed so quickly we also
00:26:13.720 are suppressed on youtube so i'll give you a quick opportunity to shout out um uh for social
00:26:20.940 media for rumble is a perfectly great alternative to to youtube that doesn't suppress you right
00:26:27.600 very very um very quickly if you wouldn't mind where do people go on social media
00:26:34.440 Afonso Gonçalves to
00:26:36.640 support you, to give you a like
00:26:38.840 and to stay interested
00:26:40.840 in your movement. Ten seconds, please.
00:26:43.300 Okay, you can go to
00:26:44.560 reckon.pt slash congresso
00:26:46.540 for our next big event. We've already
00:26:48.780 announced Dominic Tarsinski as one
00:26:50.740 of the speakers, also Harrison Pitt,
00:26:52.780 one of the ideologues for Restore Britain's
00:26:55.060 incredible growth, and they can support
00:26:56.860 us through our social media, Afonso
00:26:58.720 JFG.
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00:31:25.720 Joined now continuing the theme of the show today,
00:31:29.240 which is the magical 5% that explains everything in continental politics right now.
00:31:35.060 Joining us is Vadim Dirksen, the senior editor of Younger Freiheit.
00:31:39.140 Vadim, thanks for coming back on to the show.
00:31:42.460 There's, as we're covering over the last couple of weeks,
00:31:47.840 the recent state elections in Germany,
00:31:52.980 we had the huge result for the AFD a couple of weeks ago in Saxony-Anhalt.
00:32:00.200 there was this past weekend another incredible result in mecklenburg western pomerania which i
00:32:09.180 gather colloquially is known as uh mech pom right um interestingly with this result even though the
00:32:18.800 afd came in slightly lower from about the 44 percent they achieved a couple of weeks ago
00:32:24.760 to about 38%, 38.2% in Mecklenburg.
00:32:31.080 The really important result,
00:32:32.960 and we'll continue this in the second half of our interview,
00:32:38.120 the implications for the CDU.
00:32:40.300 But the really astonishing result here
00:32:44.140 is the actual collapse in the vote of the CDU,
00:32:47.900 which has fallen beneath that threshold of 5%.
00:32:51.760 I think the latest figures suggest it's working in
00:32:54.240 at about 4.8 percent we'll discuss that um a little later on but first of all break this down
00:33:00.840 there appears to be now correct me if i'm wrong there aren't expected to be at this you know for
00:33:07.620 the next year or so any key state elections now from for the next 12 months or so in germany so
00:33:16.400 So we had the ones a couple of weeks ago, again in lower Saxony-Anhalt, this one in
00:33:24.080 Mecklenburg-Pomerania, and now there's not expected to be anything for quite some time.
00:33:30.340 So now from the vantage point, now having had these elections out of way, and there were
00:33:35.900 other elections as well at the weekend, for example, in Berlin, but we're just going to
00:33:40.020 focus on the results in Mecklenburg right now.
00:33:45.600 the vantage point of having got gotten these elections out of the way break it down for us
00:33:50.580 and explain for our audience where this puts the afd right now um in in german politics
00:33:59.660 the afd is now the uh one and only conservative uh party left in the parliament of mecklenburg
00:34:09.260 they made the they made the run with 38 percent you said it and they just vaporized the cdu that
00:34:21.740 was the disastrous result for the cdu that was the worst result in history of the cdu after the
00:34:27.520 world war ii this is this is so crushing on them they don't even know how to react and the afd
00:34:36.740 was able, still was able
00:34:41.160 to make it to number one, although the whole campaign
00:34:44.800 of all other parties, especially the SPD, the leading
00:34:48.160 party, which is having the position
00:34:52.980 of, or is ruling there,
00:34:56.240 they threw everything onto the SPD. They said,
00:35:00.160 if you vote for us, you vote against the AFD.
00:35:03.820 They even didn't explain why they should vote for them.
00:35:07.400 They just said, if you vote for us, it's a vote against the AFD.
00:35:11.020 So they used this polarization.
00:35:14.860 They focused everything on the SPD.
00:35:17.400 And so that was finally destroying the CDU because the rest of the CDU who was voting for the CDU,
00:35:26.320 they wanted to save the country, let's say, against the AFD.
00:35:32.920 And that's why they went to the SPD. And this, even this didn't help to run the vote, to get the votes more than the AfD. So the AfD is now the biggest party in the parliament there. And they're going to be the only opposition, because the other ones, three left, the SPD, the leftist party and the green ones, they have to make a coalition to even rule the country. Otherwise, they don't have a majority there.
00:36:02.300 So this is a huge success on the one side, on the one hand, for the EFD.
00:36:09.800 Not as big as in Saxony Anhalt, because they are going to be probably ruling there by the end of the year.
00:36:18.500 But still, the main success, what I would say, was here to crush the CDU and the party of the Chancellor Mertz.
00:36:29.380 okay let's just break this down because you said something vadim in your analysis here
00:36:34.700 which for our largely american audience is absolutely instrumental in what's taken place
00:36:40.300 in the in the last month or so um in germany and you said that in these elections his most recent
00:36:47.040 elections in mecklenburg western pomerania that this is the worst result for the christian
00:36:55.760 democratic union the center right the establishment center right the establishment
00:36:59.520 christian democrat party the worst result you said since the second world war since the foundation
00:37:06.900 of the modern german republic um and that is true and it would appear i mean obviously they've
00:37:16.400 obviously the afd has worked very hard in attracting and creating its own demographic
00:37:22.700 right but it is all it has also clearly now peeled away most of the support that was supporting
00:37:29.820 conventional center right are now voting afd right afd has replaced the the whole in the um
00:37:37.880 in the political spectrum that for the last 70 years 80 years has been wholly monopolistically
00:37:44.580 effectively dominated by the CDU, the party of Helmut Kohl, the party of Angela Merkel
00:37:53.100 is now disintegrating, like the British Conservative Party.
00:37:57.020 Now, just to come back to this point, and we'll discuss it again in just a few moments
00:38:02.600 and the implications of where this leaves the Chancellor Merkel right now, but just
00:38:07.920 holding his political future aside just for a couple of minutes.
00:38:12.040 The important thing here is that because in this local state elections in Mecklenburg, the CDU vote fell below 5%, our American audience needs to understand something about continental elections, because 5% doesn't seem particularly high.
00:38:35.360 It is quite high in proportional representation systems.
00:38:40.760 But beyond that, it has more than just a symbolic importance.
00:38:49.360 It's a threshold.
00:38:51.380 And what that means is, and I think, for example, here in Italy, it might be 3%.
00:38:55.560 Parliament here in Italy just voted to increase the threshold from 3% to 5%.
00:39:01.960 what that means is is that if a political party doesn't get above the threshold it doesn't get
00:39:09.600 any electoral representation into parliament whatsoever and those votes are divvied up
00:39:15.680 amongst the other political parties um and it's it's a means by which the larger political parties
00:39:25.080 effectively control to some extent the game and stops the emergence of of new political
00:39:33.200 parties entering into the system and developing a voice until of course you do what the afd
00:39:43.200 has done uh having persevered is that it's gone beyond the five percent which would have sort of
00:39:50.040 locked it out for quite some time it's gone beyond the five percent it's now at 38 and the irony of
00:39:57.800 ironies is now that the cdu is now the victim of the of of the the very instrument that it used to
00:40:05.640 isolate the smaller political parties in the past because now the cdu doesn't have any parliamentary
00:40:12.360 um representation in the in the local state parliament of mecklenburg it could
00:40:17.560 Vadim, correct me if I'm wrong, this could not be, as I said, there aren't any now key state elections for the next year or so.
00:40:27.340 That result last weekend could not be more important and terrifying for the German political class now.
00:40:35.620 The CDU, the party of Angela Merkel, the party of Helmut Kohl, has pretty much imploded in the most recent state election.
00:40:45.040 It has, for the first time since the Second World War, for the first time since the Second World War, the CDU does not have a single representative.
00:40:56.000 To be fair, the CDU was founded after the Second World War.
00:40:59.220 that's right it doesn't have a single part for the first time since the war we now have a state
00:41:06.720 a land that does not have a single parliamentary representative from the christian democratic union
00:41:15.720 this is we are now watching in real time what is effectively um a tectonic shift in
00:41:24.340 German politics.
00:41:27.100 Is that correct?
00:41:28.380 In Italy, this happened to many
00:41:30.620 Christian parties
00:41:32.780 around Europe, and now it is
00:41:34.780 reaching out to Germany, where
00:41:36.760 the Christian parties,
00:41:38.980 the conservative parties, are
00:41:40.520 crushing, they're going down,
00:41:42.760 and they're getting replaced by,
00:41:44.940 let's say, a right-wing party, like
00:41:46.800 the AfD. And
00:41:48.300 you have to understand, the threshold
00:41:50.780 of 5%
00:41:51.720 was always...
00:41:54.340 created to have easier coalitions, easier majorities, which cannot be crushed by or cannot be removed by little parties there with little percentages.
00:42:09.000 So this threshold was very effective for decades, and it was hard to pass this barrier if you come from the start, from zero.
00:42:22.640 So now, since the CDU is below that, that means they don't have any representative, any deputy in the parliament.
00:42:32.420 That means also they have no jobs.
00:42:35.360 That means they don't have any money, except they get some money from the CDU, from Berlin maybe, for other campaigns.
00:42:46.380 So it is crushing also all the structure.
00:42:49.020 The people, I mean, the head of the CDU, he stepped down already because, well, there's nothing to win there anymore, right?
00:42:59.540 So he stepped down now.
00:43:02.640 He's not leading the party anymore and got replaced by a deputy now from the Bundestag, who's also sitting right in the chancellor, right next to the Chancellor Mertz.
00:43:16.020 So there's some shift going on in the CDU.
00:43:22.160 And I just recently, as it happens,
00:43:25.400 talked to some very close people
00:43:27.720 who used to be very close to the chancellor.
00:43:30.400 I cannot drop their names,
00:43:31.880 but they told me that the chancellor
00:43:35.780 is not going to make it till Christmas.
00:43:38.840 So they're pretty sure there will be...
00:43:40.960 Vadi, hold on to that.
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00:45:59.740 All right, back, closing moments of the show then with Vadim Dirksen, the senior editor at Jünger Freiheit.
00:46:07.360 So your sources now have told you that Friedrich Merz, the Chancellor of Germany,
00:46:17.540 effectively the Prime Minister of Germany, the Chancellor of Germany,
00:46:21.920 will be out by Christmas.
00:46:25.560 Exactly.
00:46:26.680 That's what CDU people around Mertz are telling me.
00:46:33.320 This is from what I hear from the Konrad Adenauer house.
00:46:40.700 And this is, I think that could be true. 0.66
00:46:45.040 I can believe that because Mertz is not just having bad results, but he is also a very bad chancellor because he is making mistakes one by another every day as soon as he opens his mouth and talks to the people, talks to the press.
00:47:04.160 he doesn't know how to communicate. They tell me he, in his cabinet, he has 16 out of 18 people
00:47:13.480 who have no experience in governance. They have no experience ever to be in a government.
00:47:20.900 And these people around him, they also don't know how to rule this country. And he has a big
00:47:28.000 problem. He doesn't dig down deep the problems he has around him. He doesn't communicate with
00:47:34.680 the people in the way he should communicate to solve problems. So he creates a big
00:47:41.260 disturbance in his own party where the people are very upset with him. Close people to him
00:47:48.760 are very upset because he doesn't know how to communicate. He doesn't know how to solve
00:47:53.040 problems because he's a chancellor who likes a private jet, who likes to go to New York,
00:47:59.600 who likes to go to Washington, who likes to travel the world, but not to solve the problems
00:48:04.460 in his own country.
00:48:06.600 Vadim, it's important to underline here the reason that the Christian Democrat Union has
00:48:14.000 suffered these catastrophic and unprecedented electoral losses over the last month is exactly
00:48:21.500 the agenda because of the agenda the cdu has been pushing that the afd has been opposing um so of 0.73
00:48:28.320 course the guy has no charisma and he's incompetent but this is german germans rejecting
00:48:34.140 the the establishment um pro-invasion policies um and germans have been told for too long 0.65
00:48:45.060 that they have to accept this otherwise they're racist and now germans are switching off and
00:48:50.240 they're saying we're not racist but we're not going to accept the the diktats on the invasion
00:48:55.320 and that's why people that 20 years ago 10 years ago would have voted cdu without even questioning
00:49:03.760 it are now voting the afd without even questioning it they've just transferred their allegiance and
00:49:08.360 this recent election i think makes that absolutely clear look in the one minute that we have left
00:49:13.280 just tell me very very quickly what is going on what we're with sarah wargan connect right now
00:49:18.800 for our audience she's on the left former communist but she's um a populist a bit like 0.95
00:49:24.540 in the bernie sanders uh mold i would suggest anti-invasion um and i i would say she she's
00:49:33.760 anti-ukraine as well she's quite open to um to russia um but she alone on the left and basically
00:49:40.940 obviously alone on the on the right has indicated her movement is open to collaborating with the
00:49:47.780 afd just tell me uh what the latest is with regards to to her movement if you wouldn't mind 0.83
00:49:53.920 in the closing minute her her credibility of her party is ruined by her own people in the 0.99
00:50:01.920 turingan parliament where they uh created or went to a government against the afd in a coalition 0.99
00:50:10.240 they're ruling now so you cannot trust them this is the big problem her own people uh speak
00:50:17.540 against migration on one side, but in the Berlin one, in the campaign, the guy spoke
00:50:24.500 Arabic, and he said he likes Berlin to be so multicultural and so on.
00:50:33.140 So it is not clear what you get.
00:50:35.380 This is an unknown package.
00:50:37.160 That's why it is a big problem.
00:50:38.700 She maybe is talking the right way.
00:50:40.660 She knows what the problems are, but the people behind her are not very trustworthy.
00:50:45.020 And where they got the chance to rule with the EFD, they destroyed all the trust and went against the EFD.
00:50:56.660 And right now also in Saxony Anhalt, that's the same game now they're trying to play.
00:51:01.220 They just made it above the 5% threshold.
00:51:03.960 So they're in and they play an important role.
00:51:08.060 But then they started again these games.
00:51:10.820 That's why they failed in Berlin and in Magpom now.
00:51:15.020 Vadim Dirksen
00:51:16.900 that's all we've got time for
00:51:17.960 very quickly
00:51:18.380 where do people go
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00:51:37.300 also as well
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00:51:40.200 Vadim
00:51:41.920 you're an absolute star
00:51:42.740 many thanks for joining us
00:51:43.960 and briefing us
00:51:44.580 on the recent developments in Germany.
00:51:46.920 Thanks to Spencer at Real America's Voice,
00:51:49.340 Steve back in the chair,
00:51:50.340 and to Vittorio Santifranco for putting the show to you.
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