Bannon's War Room - September 30, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 1097: Live From The UK's Highest Court: Raise The Colours'; Ryan Bridge And Jenny Holland Author Of Awful

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.720 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.960 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.220 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.560 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.320 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.520 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.920 Mega Media.
00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.460 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.740 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:00:52.740 I've got a lot of Asian friends coming to meet me today.
00:00:55.180 If people, you know, parade a flag of LGBTQ+,
00:01:00.900 if they, you know, put a flag up of Palestine or the new, you know, Israel,
00:01:05.140 you know, whatever they want to do, you know...
00:01:08.220 That's okay to you or not?
00:01:09.540 Completely fine.
00:01:10.400 People can express themselves how they like.
00:01:13.500 I'm completely fine with that.
00:01:14.700 You want to express yourself how you like.
00:01:15.980 You'll never see somebody from Raise the Colours or our group
00:01:18.660 ripping down other people's flags. 1.00
00:01:20.340 Just like you'll never see Asian people.
00:01:22.100 I've got a lot of Asian friends coming to meet me today.
00:01:24.000 I've got a lot of people from the Muslim community coming to see me,
00:01:27.200 from the Pakistani community, from the Indian community.
00:01:30.720 And we've got people from all over the country
00:01:32.200 that support our movement and what we do.
00:01:34.040 And we're trying to make awareness that we're not happy
00:01:36.480 with our governments, previous governments, weak governments.
00:01:40.720 Wednesday, 30th of September, Anna Domini, 2026.
00:01:45.440 Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's warring.
00:01:49.380 Well, folks, we've got a special show here.
00:01:54.000 for you this evening our usual frank and jenny combo has moved to friday one of and this is the
00:02:04.520 beauties of live television right this is the things that we all have to make accommodations
00:02:08.560 around one of the things that has absolutely riven the press today the uk press the british
00:02:16.740 press today is the fact that Ryan Bridge has been in the High Court as Birmingham City Council have
00:02:25.220 sought quite an unprecedented injunction, a court injunction, to be able to arrest him
00:02:31.340 on site, basically, for his patriotic activity of raising the St. George's flag from the lampposts
00:02:41.500 across the country, we have Jenny Holland.
00:02:47.460 She is here in studio, and she's going to be making some great,
00:02:52.480 she's got some great observations tying this together,
00:02:57.880 going back, in fact, 10 or so years in the UK
00:03:01.660 with a very similar incident to the one that she's going to be talking about
00:03:06.040 that basically sets the scene up of what's happened today with Ryan.
00:03:10.640 so jenny's going to be tying it all together in the second half of the show but there we see the
00:03:14.920 man himself in advance i will apologize to you folks at home really we've tried all day with
00:03:22.640 ryan to bring him in he's literally fresh outside of the high court today some of the connection
00:03:29.040 might not be perfect some of the camera angles might not be perfect but this is uh very privileged
00:03:34.840 for Ryan actually making space for the war.
00:03:37.740 I know he's been inundated by UK media
00:03:41.540 asking for his take on what's taking place.
00:03:45.240 Ryan, thanks very much indeed
00:03:47.560 for you putting aside this half hour
00:03:50.520 to debrief us on what has happened today.
00:03:53.580 Before you start into this,
00:03:56.640 and I'll just say that the scene was set
00:03:58.760 in that footage, I think,
00:04:00.080 from the Birmingham Mail.
00:04:02.640 they'd caught up with you before you went into court this morning.
00:04:07.560 That was your exposition this morning.
00:04:10.840 Now we're going to have your reaction having been in court all day today.
00:04:14.360 Just set the scene, if you wouldn't mind.
00:04:17.040 I know every Friday you give us an update on this,
00:04:20.080 but in your own words, set the scene.
00:04:22.200 Why are you in the high court today?
00:04:25.200 Why have you been brought in today?
00:04:27.380 Okay. Hi, Ben. Hi, all the guys.
00:04:29.660 Thank you for having me on it, as usual.
00:04:31.220 and this is a major exclusive for the war room um we've had every newspaper from gb news to
00:04:37.480 um sky news bbc all of the locals they've all been all over this and um obviously my lord is
00:04:43.880 with you guys um so i'll set the scene we've been putting flags up as you know as a cry for help
00:04:49.620 as a show of patriotism a show of unity it's throw togetherness and the main thing is to show
00:04:55.160 that we're doing something because of our weak governments and weaker borders and we today have
00:05:00.600 been took yet again to the high court this time in birmingham we've been to the high court in
00:05:05.540 london because of what happened in oxford but today we've been in the high court the highest
00:05:09.860 court in the land um this is above your magistrate above your crown this is the high court what's for
00:05:14.920 a civil injunction and powers of arrest upon me uh persons one um other people within the
00:05:21.600 organization and other people around the country are people's um two to eight um but they want
00:05:28.020 specifically me, to be having a full injunction and powers of arrest,
00:05:32.620 which is quite scary, because if I promote the flag of my country,
00:05:37.380 if I say that that looks great, or if I encourage anybody to put flags up,
00:05:42.640 that I can be arrested, I can be put in jail.
00:05:45.980 And we've been in this high court now before, as you guys well know,
00:05:49.420 and we're in the court today, and we've spent all day in there
00:05:53.280 with teams of barristers, and it's the old British tradition
00:05:56.120 with the cloak and gown and the wigs on.
00:05:59.280 And, you know, it was a day where we thought we'd have our say.
00:06:03.180 But what's happened today is, yet again,
00:06:05.920 we've had this addressed and the judge is still not happy.
00:06:10.820 Birmingham City Council, which is government-funded
00:06:13.300 because they're bankrupt,
00:06:14.660 they're spending the public purse on the UK taxpaying public purse
00:06:20.100 on telling UK citizens like myself that we can't erect flags.
00:06:26.120 our country in our country and we are doing this to to highlight the illegal invasion but
00:06:31.380 the heartbreaking thing for me is the Birmingham City Council is my my hometown and yet there's
00:06:37.000 potholes on the streets they're struggling with the refuge collections yet they want to spend
00:06:42.320 public purse on telling us we cannot fly the flag of our country in our country so we had our day in
00:06:48.640 court right let me um if i may just cut in one moment the you said just now that the judge still
00:06:57.060 isn't happy the background to that is a couple of weeks ago at a previous session the judge
00:07:04.040 actually gave an adjournment of the court proceedings because she wasn't happy that
00:07:10.720 the prosecution i.e birmingham city council had sufficiently explained its case um over
00:07:17.220 who the precise defendants were against which of the charges and the judge i think quite quite
00:07:24.560 quite quite incredibly said hang on hang on here to to to birmingham if you're bringing this case
00:07:31.620 it's necessary that you do this so that the defendants can mount an adequate defense they
00:07:37.600 need to know what the charges were and i thought that was a great indication um that the judge was
00:07:43.520 taking this seriously when you just say just now that the judge wasn't happy can you expect to the
00:07:50.720 i i realize that this is uh this is a court proceeding that's in process so you might not
00:07:56.360 want to say too much uh and prudence is always important where ongoing court proceedings are
00:08:02.260 involved but if you to the extent that you are confident to do so what do you mean when you say
00:08:07.400 the judge isn't happy is she not happy with what the with the prosecution's case is she not happy
00:08:14.380 with something that's going on in the defense uh precisely what is she not happy with
00:08:18.840 our defense case is there in a skeleton argument which is very detailed we've answered every
00:08:24.420 single question that they've asked us um and we are ready to produce that the the court and the
00:08:31.100 everybody in the court today had to listen to um birmingham city council lay their case out which
00:08:37.140 That was meant to have done on the last hearing.
00:08:39.040 So we've now gone to another one.
00:08:40.420 These are only set for one-day trials.
00:08:42.480 We're now going to be going into day three.
00:08:45.140 So this is a big matter.
00:08:46.500 And the judge isn't happy because it's so vast.
00:08:49.700 It's not determined of who, what, where, when.
00:08:53.100 And the evidence that they're bringing towards us
00:08:55.260 is from cases that are not in the jurisdiction of Birmingham.
00:08:58.700 It's in Hereford and Worcester.
00:09:00.260 It's in perhaps Cheltenham.
00:09:01.660 It's in other areas.
00:09:02.680 and it just doesn't consist
00:09:05.120 with what the powers are in Birmingham
00:09:07.380 and the powers are at the moment
00:09:08.940 we can fly flags
00:09:09.800 we've left that court
00:09:10.800 with no injunction
00:09:12.740 and we've left that court
00:09:13.760 with no powers of arrest
00:09:15.820 so for Raise the Colours today
00:09:17.540 and for the British public today
00:09:18.940 this is a win for us today
00:09:21.000 we have got to go back there
00:09:22.820 because the judge has told them
00:09:24.300 you need to get your ship in order
00:09:25.540 OK
00:09:27.880 big news bombs you're dropping here
00:09:32.460 help me if you wouldn't mind right in the quarter of an hour that we have left just to analyze
00:09:37.480 exactly what you just said piece by piece so it seems to me that what you're saying that the judge
00:09:42.320 still isn't happy she's not happy with the prosecution and the way it's laid out this case
00:09:46.920 because as we know i'll say this i'm not going to say that you're saying this ryan bridge this is
00:09:51.460 me ben harnwell it seems to me to be a very politically motivated case brought by uh birmingham
00:09:58.640 city council for americans birmingham is is the uk's second largest city after london so as it
00:10:05.680 does have it so a certain economic and political weight this court has been brought by this case
00:10:10.940 has been brought by birmingham city council which is the municipal authority for the whole of
00:10:16.120 britain the uk's largest second largest city they've already banned if i'm not mistaken ryan
00:10:21.800 um from from the territory that might be oxfordshire um but but in any case the judge here
00:10:28.420 it's oxygen but in any case in any case the judge is not happy that this case that has been brought
00:10:35.620 uh by birmingham city council on taxpayers money um has in such as you say you've you've put out a
00:10:43.520 very detailed counter argument as as your defense and i don't know about today ryan but a month ago
00:10:51.240 when you were last in court you were actually representing yourself um and the judge has been
00:10:57.040 impressed okay so you're representing yourself again today in fact we have the photo of you in
00:11:01.720 the horsehair wig not in court um itself but that wasn't in the courtroom that's a that's that's a
00:11:08.880 great that's a great touch um so you're representing yourself today you have um very in a detailed and
00:11:15.880 analytical way responded as best you can to the accusations as inchoate and unformed as they are
00:11:23.940 and the judge that you're there in court right you're the defendant one of the defendants number
00:11:29.240 one in fact in the list of the nine um defendants you're there you saw her reaction and your reading
00:11:36.080 of the situation is that the judge is still not happy with the way that birmingham council has
00:11:43.040 laid out its case ryan stay with me stay with me answer the point in two minutes let me give a quick
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00:14:51.680 bannon back live now to ryan bridge founder of raise the colors dragged into court today high
00:15:01.040 court the highest court in the land uh where he joins us from having been in court all day
00:15:05.760 ryan so to come back to what we're saying just a moment or so ago firstly i want to establish in
00:15:13.060 my own mind it's your reading of the situation that reading that and i've been in court a number
00:15:18.760 of times myself i you know and i've had to sit there sort of fixing my beady eyes on every signal
00:15:25.380 that the judge gives um especially in it especially in italy where they aren't jury trials
00:15:30.280 i'm trying to to read what what the indications are um and you have indicated both a month ago
00:15:37.020 and this time that that the judge seems to be of the opinion that the prosecution has poorly
00:15:43.760 laid out its case for which if it even if it wins it's going in however poorly it's laid out its
00:15:51.060 case birmingham city council will have got the most expensive lawyers possible and they're
00:15:56.080 obviously putting lipstick on a pig here with a legal argument but they have retained they will
00:16:00.320 have retained the best lawyers the most expensive lawyers possible for which if they win they will
00:16:06.540 come to you ryan bridge and expect you to pay those legal fees the other bombs that you dropped
00:16:13.100 on the um on uh just five minutes ago was and because you're literally straight out of court
00:16:22.600 i didn't get a haven't had a chance to speak to you before the show about this is that you said
00:16:27.220 that the the injunction wasn't granted today um you did indicate that there are further hearings
00:16:32.580 um but it hasn't been granted today uh what is the situation then of the present
00:16:37.860 case um when how long has it been adjourned to they haven't got the it was an emergency injunction
00:16:44.680 an interim injunction that they'd asked for a court order that hasn't been granted presumably
00:16:49.960 they deferred that the judge has therefore indicated that she will she will either grant
00:16:55.260 that or not grant that injunction um that that that power of arrest to the council uh as part
00:17:02.000 of her final sentence if she's not going to grant it on an interim basis what's the present you got
00:17:07.420 nine minutes left right right um what's the situation then with regards to raise the colors
00:17:13.400 and the court case and the out the upshot of your um of the hearing today what is the latest
00:17:21.000 so raise the colors as our movement is so so grateful to the general public and everybody
00:17:28.020 that has helped us and donated at raisethecolors.org.uk and that has given us the power now
00:17:33.440 for me not to represent myself like I did on the first time
00:17:36.380 when we got the order adjourned.
00:17:40.220 And when that happened, we felt confident enough
00:17:44.080 and we've got the barrister
00:17:45.180 and now we've proposed a real good skeleton argument
00:17:48.180 and a basis where we think that there's a lot of holes in this.
00:17:52.360 We believe that a lot of public person,
00:17:55.220 you're saying words like they've put lipstick on the pig
00:17:58.180 and I believe that that is right.
00:17:59.820 They have got two barristers.
00:18:01.320 They have got a full legal team behind them,
00:18:04.440 plus the council officers.
00:18:06.060 And the council, they're literally going back to old school, Ben.
00:18:09.620 And they're passing notes to each other.
00:18:12.740 It's absolutely ludicrous to think that we're in the highest court in the land
00:18:16.840 and that this isn't set out and prepared where, you know,
00:18:22.520 all credit to Oxford, they have their ducks in a row
00:18:25.020 and these guys are trying to throw the kitchen sink at us.
00:18:27.860 These guys are trying to absolutely finish what we're doing.
00:18:31.760 And these guys are trying to get powers of arrest on me.
00:18:35.820 You know, this is, I'm a normal guy from a normal background,
00:18:39.800 a normal hardworking guy.
00:18:41.780 And, you know, we're not happy with what's going on.
00:18:43.780 And these guys are hammering us tooth and nail.
00:18:47.140 So we've gone today and they've laid out what they wanted to do
00:18:50.960 and they're adamant that they want me arrested for encouraging people,
00:18:54.680 for inciting people, for erecting any flags anywhere,
00:18:58.740 or even they won't raise the colours as a platform set closed down
00:19:02.820 because we set out our stall, and our stall is that if you're a patriot of the country
00:19:07.300 and you love the flag, then we love the flag with you.
00:19:09.900 These people have even now gone to any flag.
00:19:12.920 They've gone to people of the LGBT plus communities. 1.00
00:19:18.680 They've gone to people that are erecting, you know, the fads, 0.96
00:19:22.760 you know the Palestine fad or the Ukraine fad or the Syria fad whatever that is we will never
00:19:28.200 rip people's flags down from from others but but the people of Birmingham Antifa the main ones
00:19:33.660 they have been ripping our flags down as you guys know on a weekly basis and for our council to make
00:19:39.520 the mural which I showed you guys on Friday where it was graffitied I think it's a complete disgrace
00:19:44.880 that the same council that let those people in are the same council that are now trying to get
00:19:50.200 these powers of arrest and this injunction against me.
00:19:52.960 I think it's breaching my human rights,
00:19:55.100 Articles 10 and 11.
00:19:57.560 We're going down that route.
00:19:59.020 And this is freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
00:20:02.100 And we believe that we should be able to express
00:20:03.700 what we're doing in our country.
00:20:05.140 We believe that we should be able to be free to fly our flag.
00:20:07.580 That flag has been draped over coffins of men
00:20:10.600 coming back from multiple wars for many, many years.
00:20:13.820 And I think that it's a complete disgrace
00:20:15.540 that our council want to use public purse,
00:20:18.580 our bankrupt council and want to attack not only me but the heart of the community because Razor
00:20:24.860 Colour sits itself in the community um and the judge the judge isn't happy and the judge has
00:20:29.880 said yet again you're gonna have to go away and they took too long today there was too much to
00:20:34.820 in and fro in and we live to fight another day so for me Ben it feels feels somewhat a bittersweet
00:20:40.880 victory um we live to fight another day maybe the process is the punishment and maybe the cost
00:20:46.860 implication um of getting the barrister that we we last got to come again so we've got a lot of
00:20:53.040 things to do we've got to go back to the drawing board and you know and this isn't my this isn't
00:20:56.680 my full-time job but i feel that i am carrying the flag for the country and i feel that i'm doing it
00:21:01.660 for all the communities and anybody that that loves the flag from any different community and
00:21:05.300 the beautiful thing i've seen today is people from all different walks of life from all different
00:21:09.780 colors races and creeds coming together with that union flag and if you're in this country legal and
00:21:14.680 awfully happy days and come and support us but if you're coming through the back door illegally
00:21:18.400 then uh we don't we don't agree with the weak government and weaker borders and we don't agree
00:21:23.100 with the weak uh the weak setup that birmingham city council tried to put against us today
00:21:27.720 um all right firstly to break that break this down
00:21:33.160 you represented yourself a month ago thanks to the donations that have been made between a month ago
00:21:40.340 And this time you've now been able to retain proper formal legal representation.
00:21:47.400 So that's a great hat tip to everyone who has, you know, who has picked up the phone and made a donation to raise the colours over the past four weeks.
00:21:56.820 First thing. Second thing. Very important what you said about the human rights aspect.
00:22:06.920 In that footage that we showed before this interview, when you were talking to the Birmingham Mail, you said what you just said now, the importance of everybody being able to flags, even with things that you might not necessarily be with, like LGBT and pro-Palestine, all this.
00:22:27.400 you said these guys have a full right to be able to raise the flags as we do that's absolutely
00:22:32.600 it's very important that you underline that because you're orientating your defense very
00:22:38.840 strictly within the within the freedom of speech um dynamic and because even though the the uk has
00:22:46.920 has withdrawn from the european union the charter of the eu charter the european charter excuse me
00:22:54.440 the european charter of human rights is not an eu document you do have to be a signatory now
00:23:00.840 a country does need to be a signatory to the european charter of human rights to join the
00:23:05.480 european union but it's not technically a european document what that means the importance of that is
00:23:10.600 that the uk is still remains a signatory to the european convention of human rights and you
00:23:16.760 correctly say but you mentioned article 10 which is the freedom of expression look um i can talk
00:23:21.960 to you about this after the show ryan because it's also impacts my own uh part of my own legal
00:23:27.480 strategies here in italy you need to make explicit in your legal defense formally these european
00:23:37.400 dynamics as part of your defense uh which will oblige the british courts to to recognize and
00:23:43.880 respond to these considerations. And that then gives you, once the national state's
00:23:52.040 legal course has finished, that then gives you the opportunity, the grounds to make an eventual
00:24:02.040 appeal to Strasbourg. It's important that those dynamics are mentioned formally, are referenced
00:24:07.560 formally by your counsel in this present case in order to raise them at a later date, because it
00:24:13.480 I mean, the one thing about raising the flags on what the council calls public furniture like lampposts is, to some extent, their own policy prerogatives.
00:24:25.980 But the idea, and of course, councils have differing policies on that.
00:24:32.820 There is, as we say repeatedly, the, is it, Cambridgeshire County Council that said they weren't going to spend a single penny of taxpayers' money putting the flags down.
00:24:42.500 So you do have a council-to-council policy, but the point is that the free speech aspects are also tied up in this, and I think the criminal aspect of what the council is trying to pin you on diminishes on that.
00:24:58.880 The one thing is the public furniture, the raising the flags, and of course the council can have its own view on that.
00:25:03.820 The other part here is the quite obvious freedom of speech situation.
00:25:11.780 All right. So, Ryan, look, I'm very, very grateful for you joining us today live from the High Court in Birmingham to give the breakdown.
00:25:21.680 Give me 10 seconds then. So no injunctions today. When is the case being adjourned to?
00:25:28.660 What's the next session as this rolls forward?
00:25:30.980 On Monday, the 2nd of November at the High Court in Birmingham, I welcome everybody to come and support us in a friendly and universal way.
00:25:40.480 We want to unify the country together.
00:25:43.680 And if you come under the banner of the flags,
00:25:45.560 then happy days and come and support us.
00:25:48.260 You can find us at raisethecolours.uk.
00:25:51.440 2nd of November.
00:25:52.460 2nd of November.
00:25:53.440 It's on a Monday.
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00:32:03.600 Welcome back.
00:32:31.180 Well, it's difficult, isn't it, friends,
00:32:32.720 to tell the difference between an old English hymn composed by Hubert H. Parry
00:32:40.920 and the Horst Vesel lead.
00:32:45.040 Difficult, if not impossible, if you are a minister of the government,
00:32:49.620 if you are a minister of the peasant Labour government.
00:32:52.600 Impossible, because Jenny, you've flagged up basically everything
00:32:59.160 that we're going to be hitting in this show.
00:33:02.100 You were the one who spotted this. I mean, you made the connection between Emily Thornberry, right? Let's put this together, right? We'll do the thing from 10 years ago, 2015, right? Explain that, because that really is, that sets up with the flag, the English flag, the resignation of a shadow, of a government shadow minister over this.
00:33:28.600 That sets up exactly what Ryan Bridge was confronting in court today.
00:33:33.740 And then we have the story that came out today.
00:33:38.200 It's basically a rerun 10 years on where a present Labour, an actual minister, not a shadow minister, someone who is in government, put out this statement.
00:33:52.560 I think it was at the party conference she said this, that she referred, she said she stays awake at night worrying about people drinking warm beer in the countryside with their Labradors.
00:34:07.800 I didn't realize that black Labradors had such an iconic element in left-wing imagination as being symptoms of the far right.
00:34:17.060 And she said that, you know, she stays awake at night worrying over warm beer and Labradors in pubs as being basically the imagery of the far right. 0.88
00:34:29.160 That's why we started off with Jerusalem.
00:34:32.060 There's pastures in England's green and pleasant land, which, of course, by the way, folks, is what the left have been trying to ban for decades from the last night of the proms anyway.
00:34:46.180 because any element of English nationalism is obviously for these guys' signs of Nazis and Gestapo under the bed.
00:34:57.340 Look, Jenny, I'm going to hand over to you because I know you've got some insights on this.
00:35:02.100 But I tell you what, the story of 10 years ago with the Emily Thornberry, which you're going to recount to us now,
00:35:08.500 the present nature minister, I tell you why I think this is, I mean, we're going to laugh about it, we'll joke about it.
00:35:15.800 But I'll tell you why it really is very serious and very important, because it underlines a point that Steve Bannon has been making on the war room for many years now, and that is our elites, our social elites, our cultural elites, they really do hate us.
00:35:34.480 it's not just something that steve says occasionally because he thinks it's um it makes good television
00:35:38.840 it is literally true they hate us she says uh and you'll you'll break you'll break this the the the
00:35:44.520 nature ministers thing down um later on in the show she actually says that that not only is the
00:35:51.860 warm beer in the labrador thing um horrific for her but it's not it's what they don't want they
00:35:57.380 don't want this idea of this old-fashioned 1950s england and i'll tell you why folks this is
00:36:03.260 important right because this is the mask slipping that's why this is like like like the the emily
00:36:11.880 thornberry um tweet of 10 years ago over which she resigned this is what they really do think
00:36:19.880 and of course when it gets when it escapes in a careless moment they have to resign stand down
00:36:25.000 and it gets walked back and they pretend no no no we really don't hate you we're really for the
00:36:29.580 working man and but they're not it's no accident folks that they're filling the country um with
00:36:36.980 invaders because the very idea of the 1950s england for some reason and this is why i think
00:36:43.960 jenny's going to have some insights on this for some reason they literally hate it and very
00:36:49.200 occasionally it might be like a decade apart they actually the mask slips and it actually they they
00:36:54.800 they say what Steve calls sort of the, um, they say the quiet part out loud.
00:36:59.960 They, they say what they're only allowed to say between them behind closed
00:37:03.020 doors, they actually escapes into the public domain and you get to see how
00:37:07.760 much they hate you.
00:37:08.600 And it's exactly the same, um, phenomenon in America as it is in England.
00:37:13.940 But take it away, Jenny, cause you're the, you're the person who tied up the,
00:37:17.060 the story that we're going to be talking about, about the, um, the, the
00:37:20.480 countryside pubs and the dogs. You actually had the quite genius memory of tying this together
00:37:28.140 with what happened back when Ed Millipede was still the leader of the Labour Party. So start
00:37:33.480 off with 10 years ago, and then walk forward. I'm going to answer your question and tell the
00:37:39.580 story in just one second. But I'm going to start out with a modest proposal, Ben. And my modest
00:37:45.080 proposal is that we fire every single politician and bureaucrat in the United Kingdom right now
00:37:54.500 just until we figure out what the hell is going on. We would be better off being run by a cabinet
00:38:01.440 of badgers at this point. Words fail me to describe how insane and how dumb the policymaking class 1.00
00:38:13.580 is here in this country. So in 2014, when the Tories were in government in their long stretch 0.98
00:38:21.440 of terrible governance, a MP by the name of Emily Thornberry, who was from the London equivalent of
00:38:30.040 Park Slope, that was her constituency, was helpfully up north on an election day when she
00:38:38.700 took a picture of a ordinary, humble working man's home with a, it was flying a St. George's flag,
00:38:46.360 and it had a white van parked out the front, which is sort of like a code for like a blue
00:38:50.620 collar laborer, like a pickup truck driver in the States would be. And she posted this very
00:38:56.840 sneering tweet about it. Like, oh, look at these oiks. And this is a woman from the labor party, 1.00
00:39:02.500 the party that is supposed to represent working class families and interests, like exactly like 0.97
00:39:07.620 the people who do the kind of jobs that require white vans so she was shadow attorney general at
00:39:12.900 the time she was made to resign and i have no idea what's happened to her since i don't know
00:39:17.100 if she still got her seat or not uh she was an utter mediocrity then and that was her moment of 0.90
00:39:21.480 fame slash infamy now we have a repeat and even more even bigger mediocrity in 2026 um a woman 0.98
00:39:29.440 whose name i've already forgotten apologies but she is in fact the nature minister in the actual
00:39:35.740 carpenter jenny videl yes thank you videl carpenter thank you she is a minister in the
00:39:43.160 government because now we have a labor government in power um and she's the minister for nature and
00:39:48.280 she was caught on she was recorded at a an event a sort of side event at the labor party conference
00:39:54.100 um you know um like unburdening herself on her fears and what keeps her up at night what gives
00:40:02.020 her insomnia. And that is, and remember, she is a nature minister. That is the terrifying prospect
00:40:10.740 of far-right menace people who go to pubs and drink warm ale with their black Labradors.
00:40:21.720 That is what keeps her up at night, i.e. English people doing very English things, as people here 0.71
00:40:27.460 in or there in England have done for centuries has now been rebranded repackaged as far a far
00:40:35.520 right menace and she ended with an even bigger uh insult to her own country and her own countrymen 0.99
00:40:43.020 she says they are yearning for a a past that never even really existed now the woman looks like she's 0.52
00:40:50.080 all of 30 25 years old so I don't know what what kind of history uh she understands and she is an
00:40:55.820 MP4, correct me if I'm wrong, a pretty rural district in Suffolk Coastal.
00:41:00.880 Suffolk Coastal.
00:41:03.020 Yeah. 1.00
00:41:03.460 So I don't know what kind of bubble this woman has been living in for her entire life. 1.00
00:41:08.620 But this is the exact same class, the policymaking class that you have in the United States, 1.00
00:41:15.820 except here they have far, far more power.
00:41:18.220 Years ago, there was a New York Times writer who fretted on a podcast that on the 4th of
00:41:23.020 July, she went out to the Hamptons and saw some American flags. And so she was frightened. I mean,
00:41:30.080 but that woman is ensconced in a private company. Here in the United Kingdom, women like that rule 1.00
00:41:37.120 and have actual power. Now, meanwhile, while we have these hens clucking around the country, 1.00
00:41:44.740 fretting about English men doing English men things, perfectly benign things, you have other
00:41:50.820 council members hounding this man that you just had on, Ryan Bridges, hounding him, banning him
00:41:56.920 from traveling freely around his own country. If I understood correctly, he's not allowed to go
00:42:01.040 into the county of Oxfordshire. These petty tyrants, these petty bureaucratic tyrants
00:42:07.740 telling taxpayers where and where they cannot travel in their own country and threatening
00:42:14.500 them with jail for putting up the flag of their own country in their own country.
00:42:20.800 There is no bottom to the insanity here, but let me quickly offer you a contrast.
00:42:26.160 Now, how do they treat other types of people in this country?
00:42:29.980 Well, let me give you another example.
00:42:31.320 Just a few days ago, it was reported that the wife of Abu Hamza, who is a one-eyed,
00:42:38.240 hook-handed radical hate preacher who is currently serving two life sentences in the United States
00:42:44.960 for having participated in a kidnapping of 16 citizens in Yemen and who previously did a
00:42:51.480 stretch in here in the UK. He was so bad he was even jailed in the UK for a calling for the murder
00:42:58.280 of non-Muslims from his Finsbury Park mosque. His wife has been living in a five-bedroom
00:43:04.320 Edwardian house in Shepherd's Bush in London, where all of his children have been raised
00:43:10.680 completely on the taxpayer dime for decades. And not only that, that house is about to undergo a
00:43:16.620 £75,000 refurb again on the British taxpayer's dime. If you put this into a parody, you wouldn't
00:43:25.520 make it out of the meeting with the producers because they're like, this is ridiculous.
00:43:29.740 Nobody is going to believe that this is actually happening. This is the state of the United
00:43:33.680 kingdom in 2026 and i'm going to make a second and final proposal i'm going to ask please war
00:43:40.560 room call up your local senator call the white house ask them to come rescue us we need a new
00:43:45.920 d-day landing here in the united kingdom jenny you're on fire today you're you're you're on fire
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00:46:14.360 All right. Back now to Jenny Holland. So, Jenny, let's come back. By the way, I loved your suggestion just now. America, call on America. Seeing as America is presently invading countries left, right and center, it could send some troops over to the UK, right? Invade the UK, liberate poor Brits from its communist regime.
00:46:44.360 um i'll say i would attribute that as a tongue-in-cheek comment but many a true word spoken 0.76
00:46:51.800 in jest um all right okay so tie this together right tie this together because
00:46:59.560 now you remembered that story from 10 years ago from the the shadow it was the shadow that emily
00:47:07.160 thornberry right she was the shadow attorney general the woman who would have been the head 1.00
00:47:13.400 of the entire British justice system who resigned.
00:47:17.240 And one of the very early backers, by the way,
00:47:19.580 of Ed Millipede's leadership election a couple of years before,
00:47:24.380 he sacked her from one day to the next when she put this out.
00:47:27.240 And they said, no, no, no, no, in the middle
00:47:29.880 of a by-election campaign, special election campaign,
00:47:33.320 as they call them in the States, no, no, no, no.
00:47:35.360 The Labour Party is the party of the working man.
00:47:38.400 We can't be seen to be looking down our nose at white van man.
00:47:43.340 who has an English St. George's flag in his window.
00:47:47.120 So she had to go.
00:47:47.860 They've given up all pretense now.
00:47:50.500 But they have given up all pretense.
00:47:56.260 You're absolutely correct about that.
00:47:58.020 Look, let me...
00:48:01.020 So you remembered that from 10 years ago.
00:48:03.000 I remembered something else.
00:48:04.140 I remembered when John Major was prime minister back in the 90s.
00:48:09.140 Folks, he was the pretty incompetent guy who replaced Margaret Thatcher as prime minister.
00:48:20.920 And he came out with it.
00:48:23.180 And he was widely derided at the time because people thought that he was harking back sentimentally to England that didn't exist anymore.
00:48:31.700 But he said, 50 years from now, Britain will still be the country of long shadows on county grounds, warm beer, invincible green suburbs, dog lovers.
00:48:46.480 There's your neo-Nazi dog whistle. Dog lovers.
00:48:52.180 And he mentioned the old maids bicycling to Holy Communion through the morning mist.
00:48:59.080 that was the phrase i think i mean i always thought he was quoting george orwell with with
00:49:04.920 that um turns out according to the labor government presently in power that he's probably channeling
00:49:11.240 mein kampf rather than george orwell um you know it's so difficult these days to tell the difference
00:49:17.960 right um old old maid cycling to morning communion this is an illustration jenny holland of how much
00:49:25.560 They really hate us. This is the sort of thing exactly that that's at the heart of your of your substack.
00:49:33.100 Right. You're saving culture from the people who are in charge, the cultural, economic, political elite really do hate the ordinary working guy.
00:49:42.780 And the decadence of the cultural and political and media ruling elite is so extreme.
00:49:49.540 They are bored. They are mediocre. They are not intelligent. They are untested. They have never 0.98
00:49:56.600 been challenged. They think the sun shines out of their rear end. And they are very, very incorrect.
00:50:03.420 You know, that quote from Major actually made me really sad, to be honest, because I am not British.
00:50:10.140 I am half Irish, half American. So, you know, it might be surprising to hear someone with that
00:50:14.920 pedigree say this, but England in particular is a crown jewel of Western civilization. It is
00:50:22.860 the source code of Western civilization, and it must be saved. It must be protected.
00:50:29.140 It's an absolutely cornerstone of our culture. And the very same men and women who this idiot 1.00
00:50:40.080 minister was slandering as Nazi adjacent with their beer and their dogs, those are the very 0.99
00:50:51.220 same people who fought fascism, who fought Nazism, who landed in Anzio, who landed in Normandy.
00:51:00.520 How dare she? How absolutely dare she? She should be sacked. She should be put on one of those
00:51:08.100 dinghies and sent over to yemen or wherever the hell and see how she likes it there much like 1.00
00:51:14.280 ryan bridges was saying about the flag jenny holland never forget that black labs matter all
00:51:20.360 right um i had no idea that was ever going to be a far right dog whistle but there you go
00:51:26.360 um all right so you've got me jacked up now gonna go onto the internet and uh and watch some
00:51:33.640 nuremberg rallies or as they call as they call it back home in the uk emmerdale farm uh very quickly
00:51:41.280 social media where do people go jenny to keep up your analysis uh substack at jenny e holland
00:51:47.940 dot substack.com i put out a new essay every week i also put out a new video essay every sunday
00:51:54.380 on my youtube channel at saving culture from itself and i put out an interview there with
00:52:01.400 a very special guest every thursday jenny superb analysis many thanks
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