00:01:58.220Opening scenes there from Poland this week. I think Poland has, at the moment, its most serious constitutional crisis between the President and the Prime Minister since Poland emerged from the ashes of the collapsed Soviet Union.
00:02:23.940It's quite incredible what's going on there. Before I bring on our guest, regular war room stalwart Olivier Beau from the Ordo Joris, the superb legal action organisation run out of Poland.
00:02:41.780Before we bring on Olivier, I just want to set the scene here.
00:02:47.680The parliament in Poland, the same, gets the right to appoint judges.
00:02:53.820The president then accepts their oath, and then they're on the court.
00:03:02.600Now, Olivier will correct me if I'm wrong on that, technically.
00:03:04.940What has happened after the change of government last year is Parliament has made its nominations and the President has refused to accept the oaths of office.
00:03:19.000The parliament, the same, made eight nominations, eight judges for the Constitutional Court.
00:03:26.860The president, I think, accepted three of them, accepted the oaths of three of them and refused to accept the other five.
00:03:35.980Now, to put this into context for our audience, the president, Navrotsky, is a member of Law and Justice, PIS.
00:03:45.600OK, these are our guys. These are the people we would naturally support. They are populists, nationalists, strongly Catholic.
00:03:55.840The Prime Minister, who has the parliamentary majority, Donald Tusk, is definitely not one of our guys.
00:04:03.180He's basically a European Union stooge, and in fact was a very important player in the European Union previously, what, 10 or so, 10, 15 years ago when he was president of the European Council, one of the three branches of the European Union, the branch that represents the elected heads of government.
00:04:27.240Ursula von der Leyen is president of the European Commission.
00:04:30.580Then you have the European Council, and then you have the European Parliament, the three branches.
00:04:36.740So Donald Tusk, who's now Prime Minister, is not our guy, and he was a big player in the European Union.
00:04:43.960That will become important as we break this down.
00:05:13.260I think both sides legitimately can look at this and draw some sustenance.
00:05:20.740And that's why the country is now in crisis.
00:05:23.340It ended with one of the judges on the Constitutional Court, friendly to the government, on her own initiative suspending both the president of the court and his deputy, who are loyal, if you will, to use these vulgar terms, to the president.
00:09:53.000He took the oath from a third judge in July, who was elected when the seat became vacant,
00:10:05.600so everything was valid, there was no question.
00:10:07.760And then there was another election of an eighth judge in September of actually of a guy who was a minister of Donald Tusk.
00:10:16.340But there are some doubts about these qualifications because there are some legal requirements about the qualifications.
00:10:24.620Just in case this is this is quite technical, but there are two parallels for our American audience.
00:10:30.580I can cite on this that I think might make it easier conceptually
00:10:37.000to understand elementally what's taking place there.
00:10:39.880It's a bit like in the 2020 election where the vice president, Pence,
00:10:49.520Mike Pence, was, I think the word was shall, certify the election.
00:10:59.340And there was ambiguities to whether he must do it or whether he actually has the proper functioning role of certifying the election. The discretion, that is to say, whether to certify or not. I think the constitution was unclear and there wasn't a great deal of precedent on that to cite.
00:11:19.500So that's the first example I'd say. I think it's a similar situation here for the Polish president, though there is, from what you're saying, more jurisprudence that the president can cite in delaying at his own discretion legitimately and constitutionally accepting the oath.
00:11:40.800The second parallel for the American context, I would say, it would be a bit like, it's not exactly the same, but it would be a bit like the Judiciary Committee in the Senate approving justices for the Supreme Court that hadn't been formally nominated by the president should there be a vacancy.
00:12:01.340Not exactly total overlap, but it's a bit similar that you had the legislator doing the appointment and cutting out the fundamental role of the head of state.
00:12:12.580Now, that said, Olivia, I've got to do an ad break in a moment.
00:12:17.220But that said, this is important because it would appear that this whole thing is being manoeuvred to some extent by external forces that aren't friendly to Poland.
00:12:29.840specifically the european union i think there's something to be added here
00:12:34.440yeah okay i tell you what hold on to that hold on hold on to that olivier let me do the ad read
00:12:39.200and then you take it up uh when i when we come back um our friend jim rickard right now has a
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00:16:16.740Look, a lot of the people following this show will have seen certain things on social media about there being a coup led by the pro-EU government against the anti-EU president.
00:16:31.760Can you what can you tell us now? And I do want to ask you what the next steps are. But first of all, for the folks watching this interview, they want to know, is Ursula von der Leyen behind the undermining of the constitutional court, undermining the democratically elected president of Poland?
00:16:50.780because Poland has been obstructing her agenda on the invasion0.88
00:17:00.460Tell me something about that because that is what people want to know.
00:17:04.780Is Ursula von der Leyen, is she in some way behind this,0.83
00:17:10.860giving sustenance to Donald Tusk, the prime minister?
00:17:15.340Yes, she has been giving support to Donald Tusk.
00:17:18.660she helped him win the election by blackmailing financially Poland for years, and then she
00:17:26.020supported him by unlocking the funds. And then on October the 13th, the police, the government,
00:17:35.940took the constitutional tribunal by force. And you had this judge who is not a constitutional
00:17:43.940tribunal judge because she didn't take their oath in front of the president, and she declared
00:17:51.060herself the acting president of the constitutional tribunal, you had a reaction by the European
00:17:56.900Commission in support of Donald Tusk and his majority. So you clearly have an interference,
00:18:05.700and apart from the reasons you gave, the motives you gave, there's another one.
00:18:11.140There's been a conflict for the last years of competence between the Constitutional Tribunal of Poland and the Court of Justice of the EU.
00:18:19.420The Court of Justice of the EU is saying that its case law is superior to the constitutions of nation states, while the Tribunal of Poland was saying, no, it's not the case.
00:18:32.560You only have competence where we have given up sovereignty.
00:18:37.780let me just repeat that because you've been on the show many many times already and this is
00:18:44.460the crucial thing here um poland's one of the last truly national there's not no fake nationalists0.55
00:18:52.160like here in italy italy like georgia maloney who will do whatever ursula von der leyen wants
00:18:57.960you have a genuine president in poland who is trying to assert poland's um sovereignty right
00:19:06.680There is a tension. Now, I happen to think that from the European Union's perspective, it has a strong case on this one.
00:19:18.080That's why I supported, why I voted for the UK to leave the European Union.
00:19:22.800The European Union is quite clear now, post-Maastricht, that its law takes precedence over member states' law.
00:19:31.200What Olivier Beau, however, has pointed out when he's been on this show before is that may be true, but what has never been affirmed is the idea that European law can supersede a constitution, a member state, an EU member state's constitution.
00:19:49.500That is a novel interpretation, and I would like to see how that is fundamentally and eventually resolved with the European Union's Court of Justice.
00:20:01.500To have any hope that the ECJ might find in favour of a member state's constitution taking precedence over the European Union, we need firm, competent, Eurosceptic, sovereignist, nationalist presidents and heads of government in the European Union
00:20:29.360to make that argument in places like the European Council and elsewhere.
00:20:33.720That's why President Navrotsky is absolutely essential.
00:20:37.580And that is why Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the EU's Politburo,
00:21:03.380And not for the first time in human history,0.82
00:21:05.840Poland falls to Poland to fight effectively
00:21:09.700for the defence of Western civilisation.
00:21:12.400Sorry, Olivia, I didn't mean to interrupt you,
00:21:14.120but do go on, because this is extremely important.
00:21:17.980Yes, I think you've given a good picture
00:21:21.180of what's happening, of the role of the European Union
00:21:23.840with this support, because Donald Tuss would never do that
00:21:26.860if he knew he can't count on the support of the European Union. So it's clear he has this support
00:21:32.940and he has promised that when he takes control of the constitutional tribunal,
00:21:38.140then this new constitutional tribunal, this fake constitutional tribunal, will acknowledge the
00:21:44.220primacy of EU, not only the treaties and EU law, but EU case law, the decisions of the Court of
00:21:50.940Justice of the European Union over Poland's constitution, and that will be a precedent
00:21:56.220at the EU level. It will be used against other countries to install this new principle that
00:22:06.700the CJEU or the ECJ, the European Court of Justice, case law has primacy over constitutions
00:22:16.460of all countries so that would make this court a kind of supreme court of the European Union
00:22:23.500all right Olivier in the remaining minutes the remaining three or so minutes of this I do want
00:22:33.060to ask you what the next stages are because these we are seeing the footage on our social media
00:22:39.340streams. Now, the pro-EU, the pro-European Prime Minister Donald Tusk has said he's willing to
00:22:47.560sit down with President Novrotsky, the Eurosceptic Nationalist President Novrotsky, in private,
00:22:55.040in private, to see if they can hammer out some kind of agreement. I don't believe this meeting
00:23:00.580has taken place. Can you give me any updates on that meeting and what you are expecting the next
00:23:07.340steps to be? It hasn't taken place. It hasn't been confirmed. It's been agreed on. It's actually
00:23:15.760meaningless. I mean, Donald Tusk has staged his coup against the constitutional tribunal. So
00:23:20.900a meeting with Navrovsky won't change anything. It's not a problem of Navrovsky obstructing to,
00:23:28.240I don't know, showing bad will. It's just the fact that Donald Tusk is not respecting the rule
00:23:34.220law. He's not respecting the Constitution. And the fear is that he's going to do the same thing
00:23:40.220with the Supreme Court, which is the Court of Cassation of Poland. And then he would be able
00:23:46.460to have Nawrowski suspended from the Constitutional Tribunal, to have political parties banned
00:23:55.100through the Constitutional Tribunal, and then to have elections invalidated through the Supreme
00:24:01.260court all right all right okay what you've just said having the president suspended or removed
00:24:09.780from office um is not fantasy it's happened when not five years or not 10 years or not 20 years
00:24:18.320it happened a month ago it happened in hungary the new incoming prime minister
00:24:23.600Again, stooge of Ursula von der Leyen, successfully removed the president of the Hungarian Republic on pretext that the president, I think, was undermining the constitution and not fulfilling his presidential obligations.
00:24:45.020Folks, it's exactly the same thing. President, of course, of Hungary, very close ally of Viktor Orban. So what we're talking about here, it's not fantasy. It's not hair on fire. It has happened. And what did the European Union do? Absolutely nothing. They were supporting it.
00:25:05.000Far from opposing the democratic overthrow of a president, the EU is supporting it, and they're doing the same thing here in Poland.
00:25:15.720That's what's at stake, right, Olivier? That's really where they want to go with this.
00:25:19.760Either the president has to bow to the EU and to Ursula's diktats, or he'll be removed.
00:25:28.120I think there's no way they count on the president bowing to the EU.
00:25:33.900So the only way out, I think, is to have some, you would need some 15 MPs from the coalition
00:25:41.520of Donald Tusso supporting a vote of non-confidence, which is not impossible because he's gone
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00:31:58.600The co-founder of the group Raise the Colors, which displays union flags and flags of St. George from lampposts across Birmingham, has appeared in calls on charges of including assault, threatening behaviour and racially aggravated harassment.
00:32:16.380Ryan Bridge, who's 45 and from Bronze Grove, appeared before Oxford magistrates in the county where the incidents are alleged to have happened.
00:32:25.540Wesley Smith was in court and can join us.
00:34:02.940Well, Rajiv, the latest part of that hearing was yesterday at Birmingham High Court.
00:34:07.360The City Council is bidding, you may recall, for an injunction to prevent the unauthorised attachment of flags to lampposts and other so-called street furniture.
00:34:15.840The council says they pose a danger, alarm and distress.
00:34:19.620But others, as I reported recently, in King Standing, for example, that they express national pride.
00:34:25.060Well, the High Court judge, Emma Kelly, will provide a written ruling on that in a few days.
00:34:29.480Birmingham City Council says if people are forced to remove the flags they place,
00:34:33.240the council could face a bill running to more than £2 million to remove them.
00:34:37.040And clearly, that's money it can't afford.
00:43:50.100not only in the UK, but right across the world,
00:43:52.620Starting off by raising these flags on the lampposts, then going out into the channel, because the two things are strictly related.0.55
00:44:03.300The show of patriotism involved in raising the St. George's cross, and then the stopping of the megadingus crossing the channel.
00:44:13.740Ryan, just break down for me as we round out the show the trajectory of these two court cases, the civil case and the criminal case.
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00:44:25.660I will add, I was particularly, it's not related obviously to what's going on, but I was, I mean, I'm not saying I, you know, I'm not being a fan.
00:44:33.900I don't dislike the guy Russell Brand.
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00:51:52.060many people in the angle that's building up in the uk right now many people will be thrown
00:51:57.820forward as political political representatives they won't have the battle scars ryan bridge
00:52:05.900has the battle scars of going up against the system fighting for his country because he loves
00:52:12.380England, right? That's the truth of the matter. Ryan Bridge has the battle scars because he's
00:52:17.940gone up against the corrupt system. Steve, back in the chair, 10 a.m. tomorrow. My thanks to
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