WarRoom Battleground EP 279： Ray Epps, Tucker, And The Media Purge
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Summary
The FBI has never charged a single person with a crime in connection with the January 6th, 1981 attack on a pro-Democrat rally in Washington, D.C. by a group of white supremacists known as the "January 6th" mob. The FBI has 40,000+ hours of security footage of the attack, but no charges have ever been brought against anyone.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon the case of a man called ray epps we know his name but they've never been
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charged what's that about is this guy going to be charged we've got what seems like an actual
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insurrectionist on tape but they don't want to talk about it and they definitely don't want you to talk
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about it the question is did ray epps work or have any contact with any government agency did he talk
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about january 6 before it happened with any employee of the u.s government we don't know
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the mysterious figure called ray epps encouraged the crowd to go into the capitol for some reason
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epps has never been indicted for that an actual insurrectionist at a day that quote wasn't an
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insurrection at all which one was it it's just another example a very frequently cited one of
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how tucker carlson took wild conspiracies running rampant on far right-wing websites and then
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dangerously platformed them amplified them and repeated them over and over and over again without
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any evidence that they were true for his own benefit carlson along with members of congress and
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the twice impeached now indicted ex-president himself were so desperate for january 6 alternate
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reality scapegoat did they turn out one of their own promoting the theory that ray epps now do you who
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he really is he's a former oath keepers member a two-time trump voter and a january 6 rally goer
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who acknowledged that he helped quote orchestrate the crowd's movements accused him of working with
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the fbi as an informant who was there to incite the mob for its part the fbi confirms to 60 minutes
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who had epps on last night with the january 6 committee found more than a year ago that quote
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ray epps has never been an fbi source or an fbi employee epps too is speaking out telling 60 minutes
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he doesn't understand how he was cast as the villain and here's what he thinks of tucker carlson
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he's obsessed with me he's going to any means possible to destroy my life and our lives why
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to shift blame on somebody else one concern i do have nicole and i bet the senator shares the same
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concern who gets the january 6 tapes now tucker carlson possesses those kevin mccarthy put those in tucker
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carlson's hands there were probably some constraints i hope uh by fox especially post
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dominion suit being brought but if you have a disgruntled employee you know walking around with
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40 000 hours of security footage i really do worry what could happen with them and i hope kevin mccarthy
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will ask tucker carlson for those tapes back okay welcome it is um monday 24 april in the year of
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2023 we've got a darren beady obviously the massive breaking news today was about tucker
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carlson also don lemon susan rice but tucker carlson and it's very unclear uncertain how what
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even happened here and i think a lot of people were talking we've actually pretty dialed in and
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everything we're hearing is extremely disturbing i want to get uh darren beady from revolver darren
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it's interesting i watched and we've got some clips from it i watched 60 minutes last night
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because i thought hey you know war room's done a lot of episodes on this tucker's done a lot of
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episodes on this but it all comes around kind of your reporting and revolvers reporting and i must
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have heard your name i don't know 20 times on the in 22 minutes but no darren beady so first let's deal
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with the tucker aspect first and the murdochs and and quite frankly showing no respect for tucker
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carlson who's done an incredible job no respect for maga uh because tucker's got a big populist he's a
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pop he's got a big populist audience clearly the murderers are trying to send some signal here
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let's deal with tucker first and then i've got to get into and i'm not saying this is a triggering event
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but clearly somehow i had to get into the mix about this episode last night on 60 minutes
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and the lack of of darren beady and anybody from revolver actually laying out the facts so darren
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let's talk first with tucker what you know what your sense is of what happened uh what happened today
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absolutely well as to the tucker thing i don't have any more visibility or insight in anyone else
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all i can say is the obvious fact is that tucker was one of a kind on mainstream cable news television
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he was not just unique with respect to other so-called conservatives hosts he was unique
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with respect to the entire mainstream american media their occasion after occasion in which
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he was the lone voice of dissent presenting an alternative view against an absolute lockstep
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consensus throughout the entirety of the rest of the media including on fox news there are guests
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including myself frankly that could only have a chance of appearing on mainstream television
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on tucker's show because of this difference that tucker made his different approach and his bravery
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and his willingness to cover things that nobody else would and you mentioned you know revolver news
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basically changed the entire national conversation on january 6th we couldn't have done it without of
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course you guys at the war room amplifying it to the base that's you know huge number one and also
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tucker amplifying out to the broader nation you know there are people who are not your war room is kind of
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for the the really engaged people the people know what's going on the people understand politics for fox news
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there are a lot of people who they're not really into politics but they just habitually turn on the television
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at prime time and if you know if tucker's not there to give them a different view they're never going to
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hear about it and that was crucial in terms of elevating the truth about january 6 to the nation at large and
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as i think you've seen as an expert in media you know when you've touched a nerve and i think it's fair to say
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that those who dare to criticize the official narrative of the january 6 feds erection
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that touched a nerve like pretty much nothing else in recent history at least since uh trump came into
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office the regime was furious that revolvers reporting and amplification led to really the
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delegitimization of the mainstream narrative about what january 6 was and of course ray epps being one of the
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two smoking guns of the feds erection they needed to basically close ranks around epps the only
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problem is the epps case is so weak on their part it's just such a weak leg to stand on in every
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instance of the mainstream media coming to the defense the unlikely defense of this former oath
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keeper who was caught on camera and camouflage in a trump hat you know directing people to the capitol
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caught on camera on january 5th telling people to go into the capitol and so forth now has all of
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these unlikely defenders in the new york times in adam kinsinger and now in the stale and kind of
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desiccated arm of the national security state sort of janitor media in 60 minutes it just doesn't sit
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right and that's the thing when you're when you're open you played a segment of some some woman on msnbc and
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it's just amazing the low iq that you see on intelligence that that they low iqs that these
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segments cater to because this woman in her own admission says oh ray epps was a quote-unquote trump
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supporter he was an oath keeper this and that and it doesn't even occur to her to ask well
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why is david brock's guy former perkins coy lawyer representing epps now why is the new york times
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doing puff pieces on ash why is 60 minutes bending over backwards to portray epps in a sympathetic
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light the basic question doesn't even occur to her so it's it's just really amazing to see the low iq
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that so many of these cable news segments cater to including 60 minutes and including especially
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the segment that they did on epps last night which i'm very eager to talk about
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yeah we're going to get to that one second i do want to you know if you look at the early days after
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january 6 you had to me three you had rahim kasam over at the national pulse you had julie kelly
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at american greatness and you had darren beattie at uh at revolver and i just want to make sure the
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audience i would like you to address this again the courage of uh tucker's producers and tucker
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to put you on on some of your analysis in particular on epps but other things on january 6 number one i
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think is what got mccarthy to come to him with the footage and say hey i think you may be the best guy
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to go through this you've got the resources you have the team uh and you have clearly understand the
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the issues but talk about the courage it took of a tucker carlson to put to put you up particularly
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in the early days of this when you know they turned on him viciously i and i think the audience
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has to understand tucker's taken some very principled and very tough stances that are definitely against
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where the murdochs wanted uh fox to go uh darren beattie absolutely it's a tremendous amount of
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courage and that's why you know tucker was kind of an anomaly he was um a glitch in the system
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somebody like tucker is not supposed to be exist on primetime television in the globalist american
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empire that's not supposed to happen so i suppose it was only a matter of time uh before he gets
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removed but as much as tucker wasn't supposed to happen darren beattie and revolver news are not
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supposed to be on mainstream television in the globalist american empire you're not supposed to
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hear stuff that real that subversive that contrary to the agenda promoted by the national security state
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it's just not supposed to happen it was only this alignment of events this fluke that this brave guy
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tucker carlson had to happen to be there at the right time and happened to have the courage to
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platform and to amplify our reporting that the entire national narrative about january 6 changed
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it was kind of a fluke it wasn't supposed to happen it's kind of stuff doesn't usually happen
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and just like trump wasn't supposed to happen it's the same principle
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these things are not supposed to happen and when they do happen the regime absolutely freaks out
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and they will go to any length imaginable to put the toothpaste back in the tube
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give me your assessment first of the ray up story as presented last night by 60 minutes then i'm gonna
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play some clips for your specific commentary but give me your overall opinion of the of the of
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their work product last night sir well substantively it was incredibly weak although in order to be
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somewhat charitable i have to say that it's not as much of a disgrace as the new york times puff piece
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but it's pretty close uh substantively it's it's kind of a joke they don't ask any of the basic
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questions that you would expect them to ask they don't ask where did you get this idea epps to go into
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the capitol and why were you so persistent about it they don't press them on that they don't press
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them on the question of were you directed by any government agency why for that matter don't you think
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when these other individuals were arrested for trespassing why don't you think you were arrested
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given that on paper as a former head of the oath keepers arizona chapter as a guy with a trump hat in
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camo as a guy telling people to go into the capitol on paper you're exactly the kind of person that they
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would want to make an example of how have you been able to elude prosecution whereas all these other
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people are rotting in prison for similar behavior how is that possible why is it that you're the only
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january 6 participant about whom adam kinstinger will display sympathy about whom the new york times
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will write a puff piece there are no probing questions of this sort whatsoever it's a journalistic
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disgrace um from the meta context as you mentioned revolver news is ubiquitous throughout the
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whole segment they mention it multiple times we are the quote-unquote conspiracy people that have
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put poor ray epps in this beleaguered position revolver news and tucker carlson and yet they give
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they they give ray epps a chance to speak his piece they don't give revolver a chance to respond which is
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amazing because one of their producers and i don't want to mention his name because he's just a bag carry a lot
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of these guys are just a bag carrier they're just happy to be there you know their family probably
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says hey you know we never thought you know bob or whatever would amount to anything but he's carrying
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a bag he's carrying a suitcase for the guy at 60 minutes how big of a deal is that and his family
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probably brags about it so he's just a bag carrier i'm not going to get into his issue but they made it
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like oh you know darren we're doing a segment on epps and we'd like to we'd like to interview you about it
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and we got right up to the end and they kind of canceled mysteriously at the last minute
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and steve again you're you're an expert in media you know all of the tricks that an organization like
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60 minutes has at its disposal to make me look bad this isn't live tv they can splice they can dice
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they can b-roll they can contextualize and if i happen to say anything extremely persuasive they can
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simply leave that out of the segment and yet with all of those tools at their disposal they still
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thought it was too dangerous to have me on because probably the case on ray epps is that damning that
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they wouldn't want to hear me even with all of their advantages so even though the whole segment is
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about saying how bad revolver is and big conspiracies on epps and so forth even though they interview epps
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and portray him in his sympathetic light and to add insult to injury they get this overweight guy
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with crooked teeth they pluck him out of some fourth-rate neocon think tank a guy who apparently
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does like contracting work for the fbi they trot this fat guy out to look into the camera and say
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you know what all this stuff about ray epps is unsubstantiated give me a break what crackerjack box
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did this guy get his so-called degree from it's so insulting it's one thing to be quote unquote
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debunked by people who are at least like you know high representatives of the regime but when they dig
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into the bottom of a barrel and get some third-rate guy from a think tank with crooked teeth to look in
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the camera and say without any kind of evidence any kind of argumentation that oh there's nothing to
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this ray epps thing it just shows what a sloppy job that they do and you know what's even sadder
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they don't even need to do a better job than that because most of the people watching this
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um are are kind of that dumb the propaganda doesn't even need to be that good anymore we know what a
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joke it is but unfortunately i think a lot of people watching are just on zombie mode and they don't
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know any better that's what i think it's i'm so proud of the war room audience because they're so up
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not just on the material but they want more they want more details they want more granularity always
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say show the receipts and you've done such a great job on the f story what what shocked me about just
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the way it was produced they continue to talk about revolver and they kind of go and all after tucker
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but all tucker tucker is contextualizing but essentially his reporting is based upon and predicated upon
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you so if you don't get darren beattie on there and have 60 minutes like they like a mike wallace
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interview sit there and humiliate their purpose must be humiliate darren beattie to show before the
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nation that he's a liar and a con artist they bring up some guy that has no purpose in the story
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whatsoever they kind of reaffirm it but it's not they should have you let's go ahead yeah go ahead
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that's really when you think about it it's really quite a compliment from from their side because
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they're saying that it's not only a compliment to me but more so it's a task tacit concession that the
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um arguments presented in revolvers reporting are pretty much um overwhelmingly compelling
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otherwise like i said with all of the tools at their disposal with the home court advantage that they
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have being able to splice and dice and edit and everything even then they thought it was too
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dangerous to have me on when they have some random other guy some third rate fourth rate guy from a
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trash think tank from a trash neocon think tank to just look in the camera with his fat cheeks and say
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that there's nothing to the ray epps story if they're gonna pluck that guy out of the trash can
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you think at least they would ask you know have me be able to speak and defend the reporting that
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makes up the substance of their entire segment you know that it's not easily refutable because
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those but there's look 60 minutes got a huge staff it's enormously profitable they're they're total pros
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when it comes to this if they thought they could easily refute it and humiliate you trust me you would
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have been front and center it's the greatest compliment of revolvers reporting is that they
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didn't want you on okay let's go ahead and play memphis we've got time for a couple of clips what i
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i think we're going to do darren and maybe we set it up for one night this week i want to play the whole
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segment one night on getter and have a live we got to do that that would be so fun get a couple
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hundred thousand war room people to watch it would be so fun have grace and and jane zirkle the savage
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changers than myself when we interview you you give commentary during it and then we'll talk
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before and after we'll figure it out so but memphis we got a couple of clips let's play some clips and
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i want darren uh commentary if ray abs was a covert plant he is the worst covert plant of all time
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if you are part of some elaborate conspiracy against thousands of people in washington dc i don't know why
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you'd want to stand out from the crowd the way ray abs did tom jocelyn is a researcher and author
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one of the country's top terrorism experts tapped by the january 6 committee to help write its final
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report which found evidence far-right extremists like the proud boys planned and executed the breach
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of the capitol he says the committee interviewed epps and found he wasn't important enough to put in the
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report i wouldn't defend ray epps or anybody else who was on the capitol grounds that day i would just
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defend the facts so the idea that he's leading the charge or really orchestrating it is just
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contradicted by this mountain range of evidence and that's what the conspiracy theorists want you to
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want you to do right they don't want you to look at this mountain range of evidence they want you to
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turn around and focus on this pebble on the ground named ray epps they also don't want you to look at
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what president trump was saying and doing he calls epps behavior baffling but not evidence of a conspiracy
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they've got to come up with some sort of connective tissue between ray epps and the fbi and they've
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got none and so they can make up all sorts of ad hoc arguments to justify their beliefs but that's
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all they are it's not actual investigative work it's not actual evidence the january 6 committee
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looked at the evidence video phone records travel receipts so did the fbi
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this is okay darren beady i'll let you that's a tee up for a softball uh so go yard on that
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i mean i mean this is what can i say this is the guy that i was talking about they they get the guy
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with the crooked teeth and an empty head to give a completely substance-free quote-unquote argument uh
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uh refer you're refuting the stuff about a ray apps i mean it's first of all the focus on the fbi
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is ridiculous because i've never maintained that ray epps works for the fbi my personal belief is that
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he does not work for the fbi and in fact i've said in other contexts in other interviews and such that
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you know ray epps his first lawyer before he got the democrat hatchet man who works for david brock
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his previous lawyer was a nine-year veteran of the phoenix field office of the fbi and that lawyer
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went on this kind of publicity tour emphatically and explicitly denying epps's involvement with any
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law enforcement agency and i noticed why is this guy clinging for dear life onto the phrase law
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enforcement agency well you know if epps is not involved with the law enforcement agency that leaves
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open a lot of possibilities he could be military intelligence he could be dhs he could work for a
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cutout organization you know operating at the behest of those are there are a lot of possibilities
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that could still be consistent with the idea that he was an inauthentic actor on that day but to for
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this guy to act like oh we need some kind of employment card of epps for the fbi in order to justify
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asking the questions we do about epps namely why is this guy who seems to be the poster boy
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for exactly the kind of person the doj would want to make an example of managed to get away scot-free
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when all of these other people are rotting in prison when they could have charged him with trespassing
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like they have with a bunch of other people his behavior was sufficiently egregious that he was one of
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the first 20 people the fbi put on their most wanted list the new york times before it started
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writing puff pieces on on him featured him in their ominously titled day of rage piece on january 6th
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so it's not like he was an unknown quantity and i've never said that he's eps is ironically the
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person who said that he orchestrated it he texted his nephew saying i orchestrated it referring to january
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six i didn't say he orchestrated it tucker carlson didn't say he orchestrated it we're simply pointing
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to the bizarre set of facts and the bizarre protection that this individual seems to enjoy
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from the doj and from the mainstream media including the new york times in 60 minutes
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and adam kinsinger and others why of all of the january 6th participants is this the guy who gets the
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sympathy treatment it simply doesn't add up and it's absolutely an embarrassment and an insult
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for them to trot out this third tier low status think tank hack with chubby cheeks and crooked
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teeth to look in the camera and give a non-argument about ray epps it's it's just it's the worst
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journalistic mop-up job i've ever seen second only to the new york times job which as i mentioned was even
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worse let's go ahead and play the mash we've got a mashup of ray epps to take us to commercial break
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i think it's gonna be longer in two minutes let's go ahead and play it the audience can see it and
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then we'll bring darren beady back on the other side let's go and let it rip we need to go into the
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tomorrow i don't even like to say it because i'll be arrested well let's not say we need
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we need to go i'll say it all right we need to go in shut the up boomer to the capital
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based fed posting we need to go into the capitol i didn't see that coming okay
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all right noted but one more thing yeah so can we go up there no when we go in are we going to get
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arrested if we go out there yeah we don't need to get shot you arrest us all
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it's absurd we don't include i'm we're going to have the uh hoffs i'm trying to get jim
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and joe on tomorrow they've got other footage of showing him breaking the law darren beady absolutely
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ridiculous that this guy many other people broke on charges he was not just hang on darren
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we're gonna take a short commercial break darren b we got some other cuts
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from the whitewash of uh 60 minutes darren b is going to be here short commercial break todd benson also
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what do you think when you see this now brings back some bad memories it's hard to see our capital
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under attack it's been more than two years since the storming of the capital but ray and his wife
00:31:47.360
robin told us they relive january 6th every day of their lives some people have said well just let it
00:31:55.360
go and let it die down it does what they don't understand is it doesn't what exactly was the role
00:32:01.200
of ray epps in the chaos of january 6th the theory epps a former member of the oath keepers was an fbi
00:32:08.880
informant who incited the crowd on january 6th bubbled up from a right-wing news site called revolver
00:32:15.920
news run by a former trump speechwriter he's the smoking gun of the entire feds erection and landed on
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fox news primetime according to a new investigation from revolver epps may have led the breach team that
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first entered the capitol on january 6th the convoluted conspiracy theory made its way to capitol hill
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it's not the proud boys who engage in the initial breach it's ray epps at that precise moment how did
00:32:43.920
ray epps know that there were going to be pipe bombs miss sadburn who is ray epps that question
00:32:49.920
has animated fox news host tucker carlson for nearly two years ray epps he's on video several times
00:32:58.160
encouraging crimes riots breaches of the capitol carlson has focused on epps more than 20 times
00:33:04.000
on his top rated show a half dozen times so far this year he's obsessed with me he's going to any
00:33:12.000
means possible to destroy my life and our lives why to shift blame on somebody else if you look at it fox
00:33:21.920
news marjorie taylor green ted cruz gates they're all telling us before this thing that it was stolen
00:33:31.440
so you tell me who has more impact on people them or me epps once a loyal fox news watcher told us he
00:33:40.400
doesn't understand how he got cast as the villain the epps version is more mundane they believed the 2020
00:33:48.640
election had been stolen from donald trump and considered january 6th a legitimate protest it was
00:33:56.400
he's sitting right there beat he come in here he's sitting there he says he didn't do anything he's
00:34:01.680
sitting there we got all the we got all the video you see him right there telling people the night
00:34:06.560
before telling people that day sitting there's a traffic cop right there on constitution avenue 60
00:34:11.840
minutes didn't play any of that not one second of the mashup we just played what are they afraid of
00:34:17.440
ray epps is guilty as hell i don't care about ray epps with the big long face crying with the wife
00:34:23.040
you know i i ray epps instigated and he led the breach team you see right there the bicycle rack on
00:34:29.600
that side of the capital he's the first guy in there and you've got somebody taking out with the videotape
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of him up there with the lead four or five guys how could that not be how could 60 minutes just look
00:34:40.080
away from that and how could they sit there right big long hang dog look i don't know why they're
00:34:45.280
picking on me it's ted cruz screw you dude you're in this and you're associated with
00:34:52.720
some government agency full stop darren beady and to see that compilation that you showed of epps's
00:35:01.760
behavior on the fifth and the sixth and then ask yourself of all of the people if there could be
00:35:08.240
one january 6th participant who was given extraordinarily unbelievable um leniency by
00:35:18.880
the department of justice if there's one january 6th participant who would get a fully dedicated
00:35:24.960
puff piece by the new york times who would get a sympathetic portrayal in 60 minutes would be the
00:35:30.080
only january 6th participant about whom adam kinsinger would have sympathy and have nice things to say
00:35:37.520
of all the people ray epps the guy depicted doing all of that stuff that we see who happens again to be
00:35:45.920
the former head of the arizona chapter of the oath keepers the most demonized and prosecuted militia
00:35:52.640
group associated with january 6th as i keep saying on paper he's exactly the sort of person exactly the
00:36:00.880
sort of quote-unquote insurrectionist that all of the usual suspects would be desperate to make an example
00:36:09.360
of he would be perfect and yet quite the contrary they're bending over backwards and making themselves
00:36:15.760
look ridiculous to defend this guy why doesn't make any sense or put another way it does not easily lend
00:36:25.440
itself to any innocent explanation other than the obvious is that he doesn't seem to have been
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an authentic actor in january 6th he gives every indication of someone working on behalf of some other
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party some other agency for whatever reason and i think we all know what the most likely context is
00:36:48.800
for that um one last thing before i let you go we want to have you back on the day so we're going to
00:36:54.000
set up to do with with the war room posse a live stream of this we did it on artificial intelligence
00:36:59.920
last week it was i mean we had a massive crowd um do you believe given that you've done so much
00:37:06.320
original research in this that the essentially they said today they fired tucker the firing of
00:37:10.960
tucker carlson will put a chill on the rest of the murdoch empire including the fox live streaming service
00:37:18.880
to really drill down on anything related to the reality of january 6th and if they decide to back off
00:37:27.360
what should happen to the you know the the 42 000 hours of of videotape that we've only seen
00:37:34.560
very much of and it was obvious they shut tucker down on the second and third night of that expose
00:37:40.480
so give us your thoughts on that before we before we bounce well i think it is an extremely bad omen
00:37:48.320
for fox it pretends very bad things i think again tucker was a fluke he was a glitch in the system
00:37:55.680
just like trump was a glitch in the system something like trump something like tucker it's not supposed to
00:38:01.360
happen they're closing ranks they're trying to move beyond i have every expectation that they're
00:38:07.440
going to try to make fox a glorified version of the five so just kind of happy yuck yuck sort of
00:38:17.120
entertainment with you know the smiling frat boys and you know the cocktail waitresses and that sort of
00:38:22.720
thing and they're never going to cover anything serious and certainly nothing serious that's actually
00:38:28.080
grave and subversive and that contradicts an important narrative that the regime is trying to
00:38:34.160
push those days are over tucker was a fluke that chapter's over um and we're just one step closer to
00:38:42.720
the full gulag system of the globalist american empire darren how can people uh get to revolver how
00:38:51.760
they get to you on social media because obviously now more than ever we need all the great analysis
00:38:58.080
commentary uh on revolver and by the way after your saturday hit my phone blew up they love that
00:39:04.960
piece on the janissaries that's awesome no no people loved it they didn't like they loved it so how do
00:39:11.280
people revolve how do they read the janissaries piece where they go for all of it and you're only
00:39:16.320
going to see that now on revolver news and war room you're not going to see that on fox anymore so i just
00:39:21.600
say if you have a fox nation subscription just cancel it and subscribe to revolver you can go to
00:39:27.760
revolver news you can see me on twitter at darren j beady we're on getter at revolver news and i very
00:39:34.640
much look forward we should do the getter thing just go through the whole 60 minutes line by line and
00:39:40.640
just rip the guts out we will definitely do it um darren beady honored to have you on here great reporting
00:39:47.520
uh great segment last time 60 minutes they're too gutless to go after you so look forward to having
00:39:51.680
back on brother thank you okay uh you know the economist the editor of the economist i've got
00:39:58.480
it up on on getter we'll try to play tomorrow said that you know including the mainstream media the
00:40:03.440
most important news source out there for maga and for the trump movement was war room and we're
00:40:08.320
very proud of this one of the reasons is that and if the if the guys in memphis can get my beloved
00:40:13.600
new york times right here um okay the new york times anyway the front page of the new york times
00:40:18.880
maybe i can get that maybe i can't okay do i have it front page of the new york times has got a major
00:40:24.720
story about biden is opening legal pathways for immigration backdoor measures in humanitarian policy
00:40:33.920
critics see usurping of congress role let's get in todd bensman todd correct me if i'm wrong brother
00:40:41.760
you came on the war room i don't know four months ago five months ago and laid out this entire thing
00:40:49.360
on humanitarian policy it's the front page lead story in the new york times they like it's a huge
00:40:55.920
reveal and this is like a massive scoop that uh you know our betters have to uh you know have to read
00:41:04.640
tell us about humanitarian policy a story that you broke here on war room i think i don't know it was in
00:41:11.520
october november november of last year november tell us about it well it's i guess it's like they
00:41:18.640
say uh if the new york times didn't write about it it never happened or it didn't happen until they
00:41:25.200
finally write about it and i've been telling you for months and months it's been common knowledge i
00:41:30.560
must have been on this program you know 20 times talking about the pre-legalization program that the
00:41:37.920
biden administration has moved to to grant humanitarian permission to enter the country
00:41:44.480
while they're still south in mexico and then sneak them over the ports of entry so nobody can see how
00:41:51.840
many are coming and not count them as illegals uh entering over the border through the brush right
00:41:58.960
make it look better it's all about optics so uh the new york times has never reported any of this
00:42:05.200
and neither have the other major newspapers at all even though is a major shift in immigration policy
00:42:12.480
uh until today all of a sudden today they're like wow look there's this new immigration humanitarian
00:42:18.880
parole thing that they're handing out all this humanitarian parole on the front page of the
00:42:23.440
paper anyway very funny for those of us who have been uh deeply yeah let's let's not lose the context
00:42:31.040
here here's why this policy even exists and it's the cover of your magnificent book
00:42:38.160
your magnificent book has the haitians at the international bridge i think at del rio across
00:42:45.440
the rear ground that caused a firestorm that even susan rice and the other radicals inside the white
00:42:52.960
house could not tamp down that's why i said your books probably got one of the most powerful covers on
00:42:58.800
there because that magnificent black and white photograph of of all that um the they understand
00:43:06.240
they can't have that optic anymore they have to get away from having two bigs of crowds at the uh at
00:43:14.240
at the border so what they did and this is why they should be impeached they subverted and this is
00:43:20.080
why they're going to destroy it for people in china for people in these countries that are oppressed by
00:43:25.840
dictatorships they are going they've gone and hardwired and worked around our asylum laws to
00:43:33.120
come up with something that's totally phony that can do it in the dark of night deep in mexico and
00:43:38.080
then fly the people and not have to drop them off in el paso where there's too many reporters and now that
00:43:43.760
todd benson's down there everybody's down there but they can fly them in to the heartland of the nation
00:43:49.440
and do what they want to do take this invasion into our heartland that's essentially what and
00:43:54.800
this is why is is todd benson's told us one thing over the last couple years which is absolutely
00:43:59.920
brilliant he says don't buy the fact that it's chaotic don't buy the fact that it's anarchy this
00:44:05.840
is incredibly well thought through of what they're trying to do and every now and again you get a glitch
00:44:09.760
like the haitians but they'll get a workaround and that's why it's so phony for the new york times
00:44:15.920
a day they clearly knew this was going on to finally you know put it on and not just buried
00:44:21.280
by the tire ads on page 13 to put it upper right lead story where they send a signal this is something
00:44:28.480
important and by the way the sub-headline is it may usurp congress's power right and that's why you
00:44:34.320
see all these congressmen now having hearings on it is that basically contextualize what your great
00:44:39.280
reporting showed us todd benson and it's what i've been saying all along is that that this program
00:44:46.640
thought it goes it's outside of congressional authority and there's a huge lawsuit by 20 states
00:44:53.440
which is the purpose i believe of the story i believe that story is a plant
00:44:59.200
and let me explain why i think that story is a plant when you read it all the way through
00:45:04.160
uh first of all the the authority of humanitarian parole uh it's a very short paragraph it's very clear
00:45:11.280
what that is for uh you can the executive can grant a humanitarian permit to enter the united states
00:45:19.920
if it serves a public interest okay well the bulk of this story after they report that there's that that
00:45:28.400
it's happening is that it serves a public interest while this huge litigation is going on with 20 states
00:45:37.680
claiming that their use of this humanitarian authority is illegal
00:45:41.120
uh and so the new york times has just provided the lawyers the defense lawyers for the administration
00:45:48.960
with their public interest which is all these people are going to work oh my god
00:45:54.080
uh like all these ukrainians are working in the petroleum industry uh where there's a worker
00:46:00.080
shortage and we have to have petroleum workers uh and then you can you can always tell what the point
00:46:06.320
of a of a news story is by the final quote of the story uh which in this case is something on uh to the effect
00:46:14.320
of you know thank god for the humanitarian parole program uh they're giving us workers so
00:46:20.800
i think that there's a that that story was planted in there they didn't wait for six months to suddenly
00:46:26.480
put this in now uh as this massive litigation is as moving through which could very well just cut
00:46:34.320
the legs right out from under it i got a couple of minutes here give me uh title 42 give us an update on
00:46:40.640
all that title 42 uh that's the cattle prod used to push people into the humanitarian parole line
00:46:48.240
it goes away and the new cattle prod is going to be something called title eight there's no electricity
00:46:55.040
in it there's no batteries in it it doesn't mean anything it looks like a cattle prod but it doesn't act like
00:47:00.800
one uh loopholes galore i believe that we are going to see uh huge numbers uh return like uh what we i hope
00:47:10.560
i'm wrong like what they don't want us to see which are backlogs of people on the riverbank
00:47:16.240
people sleeping in the streets of el paso people wandering around un unprocessed and that sort of
00:47:23.200
thing i think we're kind of heading for something like that title eight the way that they've got it
00:47:29.040
written is filled with loopholes unaccompanied minors will not be impacted they will not be affected
00:47:36.240
they can walk right in and get processed just like always uh family units with small kids walking right in
00:47:43.840
uh under the flores settlement loophole google that flores settlement loophole and you'll see
00:47:50.640
exactly what i mean the rules are saying we are going to respect the flores settlement uh that's a
00:47:57.680
huge red flag we are going to respect the flores settlement and everybody else can just say i'm
00:48:03.200
afraid that i'm going to get kidnapped in mexico and you're in too it's a total scam todd how they get
00:48:09.600
your social media how they get the book with the magnificent cover how do we get all your latest
00:48:14.080
reporting sure well the book is overrun how joe biden unleashed the greatest border crisis in u.s
00:48:21.760
history it's the only book out there on this subject and you can follow me uh on bensman todd at twitter
00:48:30.240
t bensman at getter and i'm on truth social too bensman t bensman at truth social
00:48:36.400
your thing's amazing six months later the new york times finally catches up with you but
00:48:40.800
we'll have you back on it's definitely a plant they definitely and they talk about
00:48:44.320
we need the skill set it's it's the the story and the times is obscene todd bensman there's
00:48:49.680
the public interest right here we have a public interest unbelievable unbelievable todd bensman your
00:48:56.240
reporting has been amazing uh you're a true warrior thank you for coming to war room thank you
00:49:01.200
this is why i love doing the show i mean the people we get up are just the best and the stories
00:49:06.880
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00:49:11.600
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