WarRoom Battleground EP 382： Why Won't They Actually Charge Ray Epps
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Summary
In this episode, we continue our exploration of the Ray Epps case. We cover the circumstances of his arrest, the evidence against him, and his plea deal with the Doj. We also cover a new wrinkle in the case as the DoJ delays the trial of Ryan Samsel, the man in the red hat who Ray epps whispered to right before the events of Jan. 6, 2021.
Transcript
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon okay wednesday uh 27 september year of our lord 2023 uh julie kelly
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has uh agreed she's rolled over from the the previous hour julie i want to go back to this
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because there's a lot of confusion and they're up you know they've had this intense debate
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all day long about the dhs uh budget the dhs what's happening dhs you're going to have fbi doj all of
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it here shortly um this one understand why is this there's appears to be a coddling
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of ray epps and and they've just done enough to kind of uh say oh look uh right-wing media of julie
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kelly and uh and darren beady and raheem kasam uh and uh in war room etc these guys are uh they're
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they're they're yeah they're out of control the conspiracy theorists what i don't understand this
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epps situation i understand where these guys have gone a belt suspender another belt on all these
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other people wandering through the capital and giving them upgraded terrorism charges
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how can they make how can according to you it's a what 45 minute miss just in the tape itself
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in addition is all kind of additional activities ma'am so that is the big question and we have been
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told to shut up that we're conspiracy theorists that there's nothing to this ray epps now is a victim
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he gets these sympathetic profiles in the corporate media he had this you know glowing interview with 60
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minutes where he told at least part of his story so now more than 32 months later he's finally charged
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we now know based on this video evidence the doj lied about his activity we know that ray epps lied to
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the january 6 select committee so there's two thoughts number one is that ray epps has filed this
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defamation lawsuit against fox news for suggesting that he was a government agent who provoked the events
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of january 6 that lawsuit is still pending and ironically it's pending before judge norieka who was the
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judge that scuttled the hunter biden sweetheart plea deal so that's sort of an interesting wrinkle there
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also the trial well now it will be a bench trial of ryan samsel the man in the red hat who ray epps
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whispered to right before ryan and others um tossed down or tore down this metal rack barrier
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near the peace circle at about 12 55 that day there's conflicting reports and in fact i interviewed ryan
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samsel a few months ago and he backtracked on what he initially told the fbi which is that ray epps said
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hey calm down these are the police they're here to help us what ryan samsel told me a few months ago
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and ryan samsel has been in jail transferred to numerous prisons since his arrest in january of 2021
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doj at the same time they're protecting ray epps has delayed ryan samsel's trial now for almost
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three years steve it is now scheduled to start next month so what ryan samsel told me is that ray
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epps said hey just calm down we've got don't push we've got more people coming that's what ryan samsel
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told me that ray epps actually said now is that true i don't know but ray epps will have to testify
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under oath on a stand on the stand if he's called as either defense or government witness in ryan samsel's
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trial exactly what he said because no other witness will be more relevant in ryan samsel's trial
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than ray epps so is this a way to you know sort of plead him out protect him in a way i will tell
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you that his plea agreement only covers the activity until about 12 15 it excuse me 2 15 it only relates
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to the statement of offense and what that doj detailed well now we know doj knows and ray epps
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knows that he was on restricted grounds for at least another 40 minutes is that sort of the hammer
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that doj has over ray epps's head okay well you plead guilty to this we can't charge you with anything
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else related to this time period but hey by the way we've got you on camera doing other things for
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another 30 40 minutes so he's not protected from prosecution for that activity there is something
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going on here that does not make sense on a lot of levels and so that's why going through this
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surveillance video i was really blown away to see not only ray epps just his presence there but what
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he was doing for almost two hours on capital grounds that day um what did samsel do tell our audience
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what did brian samsel do that's so horrific that day that they would hold him kind of against the u.s
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constitution for for three years before trial yeah it's sort of uh horrifying what's happened to
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ryan samsel look brian samsel uh has a criminal record he shouldn't have been anywhere near january 6th
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he was a barber in pennsylvania i he told me decided at the last minute to go i think with his girlfriend
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and someone else to the capitol he was at peace circle you'll recall that's where some of the proud
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boys were uh joe biggs and ethan nordine where a few fbi informants were by the way as well uh so
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brian samsel was there he was kind of talking with police at this exterior bike rack at peace circle
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about 12 50. he's chatting i think he whispered something to joe biggs one of the proud boys then all
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of a sudden he's at police lines there's some banter back and forth between protesters and police
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uh ray epps kind of pulls ryan samsel aside whisper something in his ear well rather than ryan samsel
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backing off he goes back to the police line he turns around his red maga hat so whoever's
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photographing from behind can see it says make america great again ryan samsel and a few other
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individuals get into a physical confrontation with capitol police officers the bike rack is knocked
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over a police officer caroline edwards is also knocked over samsel actually went over to her to
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try to help her get up she does get up and they all advance up these stairs towards the west uh side west
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plaza of the capitol grounds ryan samsel as well and ray epps so you could see ryan samsel walking around
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at one point ryan samsel gave aid to a man named joshua black who was shot in the cheek with a
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rubber bullet by either capitol police or i believe it was dc metro police uh so aside from ryan samsel
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knocking over helping to knock over that first bike rack which resulted in caroline edwards falling down
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as well i don't really know what else ryan samsel did that's far worse than what ray epps did ryan
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samsel never went inside the building um i believe he probably left even before ray epps left
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restricted grounds so we've got this really horrific unconstitutional treatment of ryan
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hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it hang hang one second you're telling this audience
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that you think that samsel might have left the grounds before 2 50 p.m in the afternoon is when
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ray epps at least on the video left i believe so i will double check and let you know but i believe
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that he did leave hold it before so ray epps so ray epps breached ray epps breached the barrier
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on the other side hours before correct was the first guy to breach are you telling us that in the video
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footage that you've seen that what samsel does is with other people after he after epps talks to him
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he leads the the breach or whatever it was of the of the bike racks that knocks down the police officer
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but then he helps her get up that's it there's nothing else this guy does he goes up to the western
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side of the building with a lot of other people including ray epps uh you could see him walking around
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as i said he he got into confrontations with police i don't think he laid a hand on any police officer
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um but he was helping at least this one individual who had been assaulted by police
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i don't think that he engaged in any other violent behavior towards police but he faces multiple serious
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charges including aiding and abetting assault on police and obstruction of an official proceeding
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which i will tell you steve it makes no sense giving right ray epps's conduct his presence his time
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table that he is not facing that felony count that's been slapped against more than 300 individuals
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no he didn't go in the building but others who were charged with obstruction including donald trump
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by the way who is that there also have been charged with obstruction ray epps was crucially involved
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in the two what doj calls breach point one and breach point two before people got inside the building
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he was right there at both of those breach points and he was there right before the joint session
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convened and he stayed there at least another half hour after congress after the house and senate were
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recessed and of course the building evacuated of lawmakers if there's anyone who should be charged
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with obstruction of an official proceeding who helped prompt the shutdown of the joint session that day
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it would be someone like ray epps so how does he just get away with this single low level misdemeanor
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count none of it adds up and i could give you a number of cases i was going through the entire
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capital breach investigation website today i can give you many several defendants who did not go inside the
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building who were engaged in similar conduct or far less serious conduct than ray epps who face multiple
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charges including obstruction civil disorder things like that charges that ray epps does not face
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what did i want to go back to this um you said ryan um ryan sansel told the police what what did he first
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tell the police ray epps said to him in his ear what did he say initially ray epps uh excuse me ryan
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samsel told the fbi that ray epps was trying to calm him down basically saying they're the police they're
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here to help um ray epps said you know i was just telling him no no no you know don't do anything
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doesn't really seem that way if you watch closely and for people who want to see i have that video
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segment also in my piece of declassified with julie kelly they could see that first breach point and
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exactly what ray epps how his he engaged gauges with ryan samsel doesn't seem like that's something
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ray epps was saying but ryan samsel that's what he told the fbi initially in january 2021 his story
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now has changed and this could factor into uh the ray epps situation right now as ryan samsel is prepared
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to go to trial next month what what is the what is ryan samsel he did the what does ryan samsel now
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say ray epps told me so ryan samsel told me over the summer that ray epps said basically calm down
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you don't need to do it don't push we've got more people coming that is what ryan samsel told me ray
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epps told him before this breach there he is right there now watch ryan samsel
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now if if ray epps was telling him to calm down why did ryan samsel and others then do that and why
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is ray epps standing right there 60 year old tough former marine why is he not pulling these guys back
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now watch him advance up the stairs with the rest of these protesters you see ryan samsel there with
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caroline edwards on the right attempting to help her up there he goes right to the front
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caroline edwards was she not the one that testified in the front of the j6 uh hearing
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she did caroline edwards did testify she said that she got a concussion from that fall
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uh she did manage to rebound and go back up to the police line that afternoon and i believe she
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even was inside the building so she did testify she has just been promoted of course caroline edwards
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did nothing wrong that day at all uh she was hung out to dry as were a lot of capitol police officers
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by their leadership not steve's son but people like yogananda pitman and others so um but you could see
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there that ryan samsel attempted to help her ray epps did not try to help her ray epps basically
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walked right past her and ran up and you'll see that in that video too ran up that platform uh that
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kind of causeway towards the building where he then participated was a key figure in the second breach
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and what did ryan ryan samsel went back up to the that's the west side of the
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of the the capital yes there's this there he is right there it's just for a second a nanosecond
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um it certainly doesn't seem like he's saying calm down not at all because ryan samsel continues to
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push continues that that's not ryan samsel saying now that he said we have more
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we have more troops on the way more people come that's right don't push we have more people coming
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don't why did ryan samsel ray apps is correct right yes what this video doesn't show is further down
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at another breach point there are dozens of people assembled right recall the snow fencing that also
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got torn down the the choreography of this timing what was happening at this point steve keep in mind
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this is 12 55 on january 6. this is right when the alleged pipe bombs were found this is five minutes
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before the joint session is supposed to convene this is a few minutes before mike pence drops his
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bombshell that he's not going to do anything during the joint session of congress it is these fit and
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this is one thing that my team and i are working on this detailed timeline of all of these things that
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just happened to occur 15 minutes before the joint session convened um and so ray epps was a key part
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of that he said he went to dc to protect his son recall he was at black lives matter plaza the night
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before telling people to go inside the capitol he didn't go he didn't hear trump speak he was either
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on constitution or independence avenue directing people from the ellipse to the capitol go to the capitol
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that's where our problems are that's what he kept saying and then there he was for almost two hours
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really deeply involved at key breach points and initiating some of the confrontations with police
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getting doused with chemical spray at least three times and he still didn't leave why not and now why is
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the doj and the corporate media covering for him okay um because he's had the 60 minutes he's had a couple of
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uh great uh what we call air cover stories by the new york times watch for us others i want to go to
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something you more than any human in fact it's one of the reasons they gave you the footage have spent
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dedicate your life to going through this in detail the people that i guess the thousand have been
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charged and moving through the the the um criminal justice system of people that you've seen and i
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realize this is a judgment call weighing and measuring what you've seen so far the people
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that have done just what you've seen ray epps do on all the tape all the videotape footage we have
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not even the testimony just the videotape footage you've seen with your own eyes
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what have those people generally been charged with ma'am they have been charged with things like
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obstruction of an official proceeding obstructing congress engaged in a civil disorder
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interfering with law enforcement aiding and abetting the assault of law enforcement
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also i don't i know this is in my piece i don't know if you guys have this ready to go
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but ray epps also handled this huge eight by ten um not eight by ten inches eight by ten foot trump
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banner he put his hands on that he directed it towards police as they assaulted that first police line
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i'm telling you there there it is con contact like that has put people in jail under pre-trial detention
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not even being convicted and this is at about as doj said 140. so um this is really precipitated a lot
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of these confrontations between police and protesters so how he got away with putting his hands on that
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directing people to push that huge metal sign on top of police officers i don't know how he gets away
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how um i get by the way we've had andy ogles on we've had elah crane on we've had matt gates
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bobert all of them in their talk about the uh motion to vacate to remove the speaker of the house
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it's not simply about this fiasco we have with the continued resolution because the clock's going to
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run out at midnight as i've told the audience uh since we're the tip of the spear of this prepare
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that's going to happen they always bring up j6 and they say the constituents is one of the top things
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they bring up where's the j6 footage now you're one of the curators they've i believe have you received
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all the j6 footage no and i will explain this there's no way to really get all of it um the
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footage is archived on terminals at a house office building where we have to go um they've got hundreds
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of cameras set up and they've got it from january 5th 6th into the 7th so you can request certain
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cameras and you can stare at this footage from a camera trust me i've had like certain angles that
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i want to see for example i'm dying to see who constructed the noose remember the gallows we were
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told that j6ers wanted to drag nancy pelosi and mike pence there's no footage of who constructed that
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and there's no camera angle that shows that so um but you could request these cameras they kind of
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walk you through how to look at it but steve as someone who's called for the release of those tapes
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since may of 2021 was my first article on that um i can see now the challenge that house republicans
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have that staff has in making that publicly available however as i said a few weeks ago um they
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have not fulfilled their promise to make this available to the public i know that they are
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continuing to work on a system that will enable the public to access that online uh but i will say
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it is not as easy as even someone like i thought early on i thought it would be early on
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but we put a man on the moon we're spending seven trillion dollars this year there should be this is i
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think this is a priority this is a priority for the people out there there are 40 000 or how many hours
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of actual footage is there right now we just know from a from a trt a total runtime count do you even
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have an idea yes i believe initially we were told 14 000 hours now it went to 44 000 hours but i think
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that's of the total cctv system so this would include grounds this would include angles and buildings that had
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nothing to do with january 6th but i do think in terms of prioritizing the footage um all of the
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relevant uh camera angles inside and outside the building starting the night before even the afternoon
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of january 5th which was something that i was initially interested looking at certain areas of
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the building on january 5th who was there um who was meeting you know did you see suspicious actors
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coming inside the building the night of january 5th or early january 6th uh it wouldn't be a heavy
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lift to prioritize inside and outside the building um and i i'm still hopeful steve and trust me i'm
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pushing as hard as i can uh publicly and privately to fulfill that promise because to your point
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and house republicans know this january 6th is a top issue to the base presidential candidates
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who refuse to address it or um house republicans who think that this is going to go away are very
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mistaken they they've had a couple presidents debate these guys i've never heard him ask the question
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to fox news these people it's not it's not even it's not even what are you talking about january 6th
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what's that about there's so many questions and and talk about federal agents were you uh comfortable
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with the response of merrick garland the other day when he said he didn't know how many federal
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agents and it seemed like a question he never asked it was that is that believable in your mind ma'am
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i mean it is believable that merrick garland does not know because i really don't think that he's
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running the day-to-day operations of the department of justice i think that that task runs to um falls
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to lisa monaco his deputy attorney general long time as you know obama loyalist former chief of
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staff to robert muller when he ran the fbi she i think is calling most of the shots but furthermore we
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have not heard confirmation from christopher ray how many fbi informants or undercover agents were
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involved um steven d'antuano his testimony that was just released last week or two weeks ago losing
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track of the time he ran the washington field office he told the house um judiciary committee he didn't
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know how many fbi informants were involved in january 6th so it is likely that they don't know but
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there's no excuse for them not to is the point because to your uh what you're saying steve and
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this is something i hear the most about from people how many undercover agents how many informants not
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just from the fbi um we now know that there were many several undercover metropolitan police department
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undercover agents involved including some who were dressed like trump supporters who were chanting
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with trump supporters who were moving towards the west side of the building at the same time ray epps
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was we know that there were plainclothes capitol police officers we know that there were undercover
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secret service agents we know that there were agents from dhs involved so this is something that
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house republicans i think i hope are going to get their arms around because to it i think most republicans
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now view the events of january 6th far differently than at least you know democrats do certainly not
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as an insurrection or an active care in the in the last in the last hour raheem just raheem just
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released a footage or photograph that blows up cassidy hutchinson's on her assertion she never dated
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matt gates because i think it implies if she lied about that so blatantly what else is she lying about
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and she's one of the biggest witnesses for j6 uh we got a balance i want to make sure everybody
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gets your content just one last question quickly are you comfortable in this appropriations process
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that we're getting to the de-woke and de-weaponize are you seeing people going there tough
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and cutting this stuff out even in the house and regardless whether it gets passed ultimately by the
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senate and it becomes part of the joint bill do you see the fight by the republicans in the house to
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get to the bottom of all this and to defund what should be defunded i do and i think that they're
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sincere even some people who aren't as outspoken i think they are sincere about exposing uh multiple
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angles of january 6th so it is encouraging um but really this doj and fbi need to be held in account for
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what they're not just what they did on january 6th but certainly this retaliatory abusive vengeful
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prosecution that we are only in the halfway point at steve by the way we've had almost 20 people
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arrested in the month of september alone more than 200 individuals arrested this year matthew graves
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u.s attorney for dc is not stopping merrick garland's not stopping lisa monaco is not stopping
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so uh this is an ongoing travesty that um i think republicans even those who wanted to keep their
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hands off of it for the past almost three years they are not going to be able to
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julie how do people get to your writing to your substack all of it so thanks steve i'm at declassified
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with julie kelly that's where all my work can be found substack uh twitter julie underscore kelly
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too and truth social at julie underscore kelly a blockbuster story tonight from julie kelly
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the real footage about ray epps incredible incredible there's been a guy waiting for three
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war room battleground with stephen k bannon okay all the
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folks over at the house uh it's pretty intense they've now just announced the house republic in
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respect to hold a political conference meeting tomorrow morning per sources that they're going
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to talk about hakeem jeffries came earlier and uh and uh really threw down on um on mccarthy
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about they're backing the senate cr right now so there's a lot uh there's a big firestorm going
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i will tell you the odds that something happens by saturday night at midnight i think are remote
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so the the beginning of the process of the d uh the d uh financing of the leviathan let's go and
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play we got matt gates let's go and play matt gates earlier this is what's happening now these amendment
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process trying to get arms around defense trying to get arms around uh dhs all of it the appropriations
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process let's go let's go here matt gates thank you madam speaker this congress has authorized 115
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billion dollars to ukraine my amendment would ensure that this defense appropriations bill
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sends no more 115 billion dollars is an astonishing amount of money especially when you consider that
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our nation sits atop a 33 trillion dollar debt and we are facing two trillion dollar annual deficits
00:28:38.320
and it is not as if the 115 billion has brought this conflict any closer to an end in fact the
00:28:46.320
massacres and the killing and the death continue the next statement is so obvious i can't even believe
00:28:52.400
i have to say it out loud it does not make the united states of america stronger to borrow money from
00:28:59.280
china to give it to ukraine i hear a lot of the war hawks in this congress stand up and say well
00:29:05.920
we have to send a message to china by fighting for however long it takes at whatever cost in ukraine
00:29:12.960
the message we're sending to china is that they are engaged in a leveraged buyout of russia
00:29:18.800
and increasingly of our own country we've got problems here in america with our own borders americans
00:29:25.360
are watching as foreign flags are being erected in the middle of the rio grande river while our nation is being invaded
00:29:33.520
tens of thousands every month and yet we go spend all this money on the border of another country
00:29:40.320
i do not fear broken russian tanks rolling through europe i fear russia's nuclear weapons
00:29:46.800
and the risk that we could be sleepwalking into a nuclear conflict that could end life as we know it on the planet
00:29:52.720
all for what to live out some neoconservative dream in ukraine give me a break right now a lot of this
00:30:00.640
funding that we've sent for ukraine has been inflationary food and fuel this is these are the
00:30:07.360
markets that have been affected globally because of this crisis madam chair because of the money we are
00:30:14.000
spending the church the chair clerk will designate the amendment amendment number 164 printed in part a of
00:30:20.800
house report number 118-216 offered by miss green of georgia pursuant to house resolution 723 the
00:30:28.720
gentleman woman from georgia miss green and a member opposed each will control five minutes the chair
00:30:34.480
recognizes the gentleman woman from georgia thank you madam chair today i'd like to introduce an amendment
00:30:40.080
that uses the holman rule to slash the secretary of defense lloyd austin's salary to no more than a
00:30:47.200
dollar and a dollar is too much money let's talk about the job description of the secretary of
00:30:53.920
defense that role oversees the defense department and acts as the principal defense policy maker and
00:31:01.120
advisor to the president of the united states the department of defense's mission statement states
00:31:06.480
that with our military tracing its roots back to pre-revolutionary times the department has grown and
00:31:13.200
evolved with our nation our mission is to provide the military forces needed to deter war and ensure
00:31:21.200
our nation's security secretary austin has not fulfilled his job duties as a matter of fact he's
00:31:28.320
destroying our military during secretary austin's tenure military recruitment has reached crisis levels
00:31:34.560
of low recruitment the numbers show that the army expects to fall 15 000 recruits short of its annual
00:31:41.440
recruiting goal this year the navy is expecting to be short 10 000 recruits the air force is down
00:31:48.640
another 3 000 this cannot stand especially with our government funding and fueling a war in ukraine that
00:31:57.600
is leading us undoubtedly to world war iii secretary lloyd austin failed america
00:32:04.160
with his withdrawal from afghanistan making american forces leave in retreat
00:32:12.080
this up and i'll be putting it up on getter later on my getter account uh matt gates mtg uh rosendale
00:32:21.040
andy ogles the people you've seen on the show over and over again fire breathers over there right now
00:32:25.840
this appropriations process and the amendments are being uh tightly fought and uh so there'll be more
00:32:32.480
updates i can tell you this they're going to have a conference tomorrow morning they're probably going to
00:32:36.960
vote all night tonight didn't end last night until three o'clock in the morning and uh we're going to
00:32:41.200
be streaming as much of as possible if you're so interested it is i thought quite dramatic even last
00:32:46.640
night and that was the agriculture bill particularly andy biggs andy biggs was magnificent he went up
00:32:52.240
there every time and talked about the financial crisis of the of the country the financial crisis of the
00:32:58.640
the country this is what this is about and this is going to get quite ugly it's already ugly it's
00:33:03.760
going to get uglier but i believe we have more people coming to our side because they understand
00:33:09.840
you you can't hide from this anymore uh a way to get up to speed very quickly go to birchgold.com
00:33:16.400
and make sure you go to the end of the dollar empire the third installment is called the debt
00:33:21.440
trap if you get in and read the debt trap you'll kind of get the nomenclature in the in the process
00:33:26.160
and procedures of what we're talking about today on the show um i talked about the gap between the
00:33:33.040
five train that comes in and the seven train that goes out well it looks like the five train
00:33:37.120
they're not going to hit that number day brett and i did a little bit of math this morning and i think
00:33:42.400
that the number may come in at four and a half train why because the slowing of the economy
00:33:47.280
less uh capitals gains taxes from transactions from mortgages from all of it because the economy is
00:33:52.880
as you can tell and your lived experience is uh is slowing now how do you handle that that's why
00:33:58.080
i think you got to talk to the guys at birchgold go to birchgold.com slash bannon right now you get
00:34:02.080
the end of the dollar empire all free and you can also get some free advice from philipatria those
00:34:07.200
guys as they tell you what's going on in your country with the federal reserve remember in the
00:34:12.240
fourth installment we talk about the um about richard nixon taking this off really the convertibility of
00:34:18.320
the federal reserve notes your dollars into gold that stopped in august of 1971 just over a weekend
00:34:24.720
one of the problems i have with this same problem i have with mchenry and graves and mccarthy where's
00:34:30.240
the financial model that they made this massive deal with biden back in the spring did they not
00:34:35.760
know did they not do perturbations to that model that said hey the economy's slowing maybe we're only
00:34:41.200
gonna get four trillion dollars in revenue maybe we're only get four and a half trillion dollars of
00:34:44.320
revenue if that's the case maybe they only should have done a one-year deal if they knew that we
00:34:50.720
want to see we're demanding to see the financial models just like nixon we see this over the weekend
00:34:55.680
you're kind of shocked there wasn't a lot of perturbations that were run so um all night tonight
00:35:02.320
i'll be up on getter we're gonna have uh after the show we're gonna do uh brahim's interview then
00:35:08.160
it's gonna be some q a with uh grace and mo then we're gonna go to trump's speech royce white later i'll
00:35:13.680
be up and getter putting up stuff all night long they're gonna be working all night in the capitol
00:35:18.000
this thing is coming to a head and i want to i want to warn the audience the numbers 202-225-3121 for
00:35:23.840
the house 202-224-3121 for the senate this fight is just we're just in the opening salvos of this as
00:35:30.720
much as we prepped you for this and talked to you about this and sent you to birch gold to get more
00:35:35.120
information we're just in the opening segment this fight is going to be uh long it's going to be tough
00:35:41.120
it's going to be ongoing because it's a nation and financial crisis if we can't get this right
00:35:46.800
nothing else is going to get right you've got to get this right this is money and power you believe
00:35:50.560
in limited government what you see him doing on the house floor right now is the way you get limited
00:35:54.880
government you must take down leviathan let's go to we got an incredible uh cold open for joe allen
00:36:01.600
some very scary stuff going on in transhumanism let's play the cold open i want to bring joe in
00:36:06.560
amazon investing up to four billion dollars in startup anthropic as it looks to stake a claim in
00:36:12.560
the ai arms race now anthropic is known as the open ai rival it was co-founded by veterans of that
00:36:18.240
company and it's seen as one of the hottest startups in the space currently today i have the pleasure of
00:36:24.000
speaking with dario amodei who is the ceo of anthropic the models just want to learn you get the
00:36:29.920
obstacles out of their way right you give them good data you give them enough space to operate in
00:36:36.080
um and they want to learn they'll do it they'll do it when you add all this together like your
00:36:41.520
estimate of when we get something kind of human level yeah what does that look like i think in
00:36:46.320
terms of the base technical capability of it kind of sounds like a reasonably generally educated human
00:36:52.640
yeah across the board i think that could be quite close um like that that could happen in you know two
00:36:58.160
or three years like we're building up this snowball of like the models help the models get better and you
00:37:03.360
know do what the humans and and you know can can accelerate what the humans do and eventually it's
00:37:07.680
mostly the models doing the work like you zoom out far enough that's happening but now it's 2030 you've
00:37:13.360
solved all the real problems that everybody can agree on what what happens next what what are we doing
00:37:18.560
with a superhuman god voices of people who have died absolutely adrian amazon believes nothing says
00:37:25.360
i love you like hearing it from your grandmother who may have died 15 years ago while ai can't eliminate that
00:37:31.920
pain of loss it can definitely make their memories last let's take a look on one of the new
00:37:38.560
capabilities we are working on which enables lasting personal relationships alexa can grandma
00:37:46.320
finish reading me the wizard of oz okay you have plenty of courage i am sure answered oz
00:37:54.000
all you need is confidence in yourself as you saw in this experience instead of alexa's voice reading
00:38:02.560
the book it's the kid's grandma's voice one thing that surprised me the most about alexa
00:38:09.600
is the companionship relationship we have with it human attributes of empathy and affect are key for
00:38:16.480
building trust i love the starry night by vincent van gogh this is alexa's new voice coming in 2024
00:38:25.120
amazon going all in on ai to help take its devices to the next level we've been on that journey to
00:38:31.440
create that superhuman assistant for more than a decade now but with generative ai it's now within
00:38:38.080
reach when when i think of like you know why am i why am i scared um few things i think of one is
00:38:44.640
look like i think the thing that's really hard to argue with is like there will be powerful models
00:38:49.600
they will be agentic we're getting towards them if such a model wanted to wreak havoc and destroy
00:38:56.160
humanity or whatever i i think we have basically no ability to stop it at ring we invent stuff like
00:39:03.840
the ring video doorbell ring alarm and so much more but where do we go from here introducing ring always
00:39:11.520
home cam what if we made a camera that can see every angle in your home without having a camera in
00:39:16.960
every room meet amazon one the fast convenient contactless identity service that allows you to
00:39:28.160
so incredibly scary by the way stop giving money to companies that hate you like amazon the jeff
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00:40:40.320
off all money to ukraine we've given them what 120 billion dollars we want to give them 24 million
00:40:45.840
billion dollars in a supplemental also 300 million in the defense appropriations bill as is 93 patriots
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voted against and all republicans i believe democrat when the democrat parties lined up against something
00:40:59.120
like that you know it's wrong joe allen uh we had to play this i know it's a tough news cycle to get
00:41:06.960
into with the transhumanism but man what's happening in transhumanism right now could not be scarier
00:41:12.720
why is this shocking with this massive investment in this and i gotta tell you the singularity is
00:41:19.120
hurtling towards us brother you know steve we've talked about artificial general intelligence now for
00:41:26.400
two and a half years and it's been very strange to see how quickly it's moved mainstream you remember
00:41:33.760
uh for the last uh nine months we've kind of kept account how far away are we from the world economic
00:41:40.560
forum meeting in january last january because that was when generative ai really got its major push
00:41:47.520
forward not only to the public consciousness but also of course with massive investment
00:41:53.920
generative ai has rocketed forward it's being used in education it's being used in entertainment
00:42:01.280
the hollywood strike just broke but my understanding is it's a bum deal and artificial intelligence will
00:42:08.800
continue to be used to write scripts uh just with a lot of qualifications uh and of course
00:42:15.840
news broke uh just a couple of days ago that the cia is using a new large language model across all 18
00:42:25.680
agencies actually um intel agencies in the u.s these language models will be used to uh as the cia
00:42:33.760
director said to find needles in a needle field it just means that this ai is enabling massive amounts
00:42:41.760
of data to be scoured and patterns to be found in it it's enabling a surveillance state and as we just
00:42:48.720
heard with amazon's head of ai rohit prasad the desire of companies like amazon of open ai of google
00:43:00.640
with their chat bots the desire is to create an empathic human machine relationship so that people
00:43:08.160
not only trust the machines that they communicate their intimate thoughts over to other human beings
00:43:14.960
but actually come to trust artificial minds at the other end of that artificial minds like gpt from
00:43:22.880
open ai like bard from google like bedrock now from amazon and of course alexa it's a very very strange
00:43:32.880
moment in history to say the least but now on top of it all all of these companies are funding the projects
00:43:40.960
moving towards artificial general intelligence what they believe to be a superhuman computerized mind
00:43:50.480
that will exceed human capacities at all levels you heard there uh that dario amodei the ceo of
00:43:59.200
anthropic just acquired or just invested in four billion dollars from amazon to give them the boost they
00:44:07.200
need to move forward he believes they'll be able to pull off a chat bot that at least can convince people
00:44:13.840
people is uh at an edge at an educated humans level within two to three years even if it's twice that
00:44:21.840
what we're talking about is a bizarre hellscape where human beings have become completely inured to the
00:44:29.280
strangeness of the situation and some portion of the population i would imagine it'll be fairly large
00:44:35.680
comes to communicate with artificial intelligence as if it were another human whether it be through alexa
00:44:42.880
or whether it be through gpt which now has the capability to understand spoken human language
00:44:49.280
and respond in spoken human language whether it be the various chat bots that are being flood that are
00:44:55.760
being rolled out in schools across the country we are at a point now where that human machine relationship
00:45:03.040
and then of course with the introduction more and more of physically invasive technologies even biometric
00:45:09.200
sensors that have now become normalized through smart watches and various other sensors that uh we are
00:45:15.280
moving into a transhuman era and i i would like to say that people uh are are noticing and that they're
00:45:23.040
shocked a lot of people are a lot of our audience are shocked and and i think at this point the the the
00:45:30.000
shock has started to subside they're starting to think well how do i live outside of this how do i move
00:45:34.880
beyond this but uh the vast majority of people in america and across the world steve i think are
00:45:40.480
just uh you know they're shocked for about five minutes and then they just scroll on i think that
00:45:46.880
this because man because because because mankind is asleep modern life is part of modern life is put
00:45:54.640
man asleep man is not awakened man is asleep and that's why they're just going on their business
00:45:59.440
watching the nfl football games doing what they do every day man is asleep they don't understand
00:46:04.720
the purpose of the show is to awaken so that you can work on oneself and your nation and your community
00:46:11.920
joe uh your book goes a long way to awakening people how do people get it this is why we're entering
00:46:18.320
the transhuman era the way you learn about is dark aeon so where do they go where they get it how they get
00:46:25.360
the rest of your writings since you're the senior editor in charge of all things transhumanist
00:46:31.760
you can find the book anywhere books are sold you can find links on my social media of course and
00:46:36.720
you can find it at the top of joebot.xyz uh you if you are so inclined do use alternative methods you
00:46:46.720
can buy it directly from the publisher skyhorsepublishing.com and uh this book really weaves together
00:46:55.200
not only these deep drives to create a god in silico but also these corporations pouring billions into
00:47:03.280
the projects and of course the intellectuals the minds behind it and the techno religion that they
00:47:09.920
have woven and inserted into the minds of billions of people already we call it transhumanism these people
00:47:18.160
are yeah these people are creeps so we're trying to get you prepared for that um talking about cyber
00:47:25.760
the combination of cyber and artificial intelligence is one of the things that home title locks warning
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about you think you're uh you think your title was in jeopardy with just cyber the new cyber crimes are
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combination of cyber with artificial intelligence voice recognition all of it so make sure you go to
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home title lock.com today okay we got on getter on rumble stick around we got raheem's great
00:47:50.160
interview we got commentary observation the questions with grace and mo then we've got president trump's
00:47:56.400
speech in detroit then we got royce white i'll be up all night putting stuff there's a gunfight
00:48:01.600
metaphorically over on a firefight over in the capital right now about the budget we'll be covering
00:48:07.600
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