WarRoom Battleground EP 528： Destruction Of The West
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Ben Harnwell joins Steve and Steve to discuss the Ukraine crisis, the collapse of the EU, and the fall of the Judeo-Christian West. Steve and Ben discuss the need for a formal process to bring all of this all together.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just
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like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the
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fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your
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host Stephen K Bannon okay Monday 6th May in the year of our Lord 2024 obviously a day of enormous
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political heat it's only going to get ratcheted up I think now we're stripping the mask off of all of
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this about this vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump a criminal conspiracy from the
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FBI in the Justice Department up and down on this criminal conspiracy about President Trump and now
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more than ever we need a formal process we can't just do this scattergun we need a formal process
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to bring this all together I'm very fortunate I get Ben Harnwell now look Ben is gonna be traveling for
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the next couple days we got a lot to talk about on on the Ukraine situation Ben's gonna be traveling
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for the next couple of days and I want to make sure Ben is kind enough to join us it's not easy when Ben
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joins us on the evening shows because obviously it's it's much later in Rome where International Bureau
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is is is located I'm gonna get Ben on here we're gonna talk about Ava Vlar is one of her great speeches we're
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playing entirely in just a moment and Ben you've been covering this closer than any reporter any
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news bureau head in in the world quite frankly and certainly in the United States or anything to deal
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with you know CNN or Fox or anything which is not just Ukraine but the broader context Ukraine it's come
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up Ben that three and a half billion dollars and we had Carrie Lake on the morning show this thing was
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slipped in at the last three and a half billion dollars of this Ukraine money was a bailout went to
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basically set up feeder agencies offices in foreign countries to to to expedite exacerbate and accelerate
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mass migration into the United States and particularly two new offices in uh in the Middle East and people
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are furious over here and and to be honest one of the things with Johnson we're hammering because
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MTG started the show this morning with this motion to vacate and one of my points is that yo if you're
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supporting what he's doing tell me what exactly he's doing this was never brought up two things never
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brought up in Ukraine number one we're assigned a 10-year deal right afterwards remember this supposed
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to be it number two that there was anything dealing with since we weren't doing anything to stop the
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southern border certainly you wouldn't be funding anything to exacerbate the invasion of our country
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but lo and behold it is uh your thoughts and particularly in context of the very I I gotta say
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moving and serious nature of what you talked about last night and seeing you believe the collapse of
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Europe but you didn't you thought the United States could still hold on do you still believe that
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Ben Harnwell when you see what the leaders in this country have done and here's the thing
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they never brought it up to the American people and never made it part of the debate sir
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Steve it's um it's absolutely disgusting this um when I when I was reading this early on today
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I it's difficult for me to to say to the woman posse just how angry how livid I was at seeing this um
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okay so you know and you quite properly put these two things together I posted this morning on my
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getter feed at Harnwell which is my surname top of my feed right now I basically break down what
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the great historian of the the comparative studies of um the study of comparative civilizations Arnold
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Toynbee had said that of the uh of the 21 great civilizations in mankind uh mankind's history 19
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of them um had had been undermined from within uh through moral decay rather than by conquest from
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without and when I when I posted that quote this morning summarizing our talk on yesterday's show
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I added in the the reflection that perhaps when it comes to the collapse of the judeo-christian west
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we need to add a third category not necessarily moral decay uh not necessarily conquest from without
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because I suggested that these are symptoms of an underlying cause and what is that underlying cause
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I suggested I suggested on my getter feed that um that um that we've been betrayed by our overlords
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uh and yet you know I posted that this morning and then did the sort of there were no coincidences
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right providentially providentially this story breaks a couple of hours later I cannot think of of a
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greater illustration of how we in the west you guys in the united states obviously have been betrayed by your
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political class than this illustration here what this is basically is it's a project to turn
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the whole of the united states into dearborn that's really dearborn michigan that's really what these
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people want to do um it's what the uni party wants to do um see I just I I'd had this phrase in the past
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that you know that you've got to watch out for democrats because what they're really trying to do
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is turn uh north america into south america but really it's actually and of course there is that
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dynamic as well but it's it it's it's far more uh nefarious in the betrayal is is so much deeper
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than that um this is basically a project to to ship in right across the united states not only future
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democrat voters of course but sort of largely sadly to say not there are many muslims that have come
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over to united states who are america first american first there are many possibly if i might dare to
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say many more who are not um and this will just exacerbate that so you ask me steve do i still
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have faith that the united states kind of can make it through its present crisis yes i do because i think
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its founding ideals are that great um and that transcendent that even now the country can still
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turn it around but you basically have to this is you know uh you know this is this is a maga audience
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an america first audience right you really have to concentrate and as much as you are concentrating
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on putting donald trump in the white house in november you have to concentrate on something else
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which is just as important and in fact if you don't right and i can say this because i i can say
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this i say this with hesitation and with humility because i'm not american not living in america i have
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no intentional plans to go and live in america so i i can't really sit here and hector uh another country
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um but i so i say this with humility but the second thing that you need to be doing
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you great war room policy um is and this is as important as november is primarying every mofo
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in the congressional gop and then the senate gop basically every single one of them because they
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are all useless listen steve 10 years ago 15 years ago i was the chief of staff in a parliamentary office
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now in the european parliament the offices are smaller than they are on the u.s congress but i've
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been over to congressional offices as of you obviously um and senate offices where they the the ray
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burn building right i've seen how many people work in those offices right it is not possible it is not
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possible that nobody knew that this has just been slipped in and hidden you have senator what's he called
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senator schmidt um who comes out of missouri missouri yeah basically said this is you know it's it's a
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disgrace that he's posturing now on x on twitter saying this is basically a supercharged uh effort
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um uh well i think look mass migration it's not acceptable hang on not acceptable i know but hang on
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i think i think in his defense he's yeah but he was one of the biggest defenders i think he's telling
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us in his defense i think he's telling us this actually was just slipped in so we're going to get
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to the bottom of it trust me i agree we got to get to the bottom of it because i want to just go back
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to your thing on twin b the third way is betrayal and this is an absolute in-your-face betrayal and this
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is why we're huge supporters of the motion to vacate this is why we're huge supporters on removing
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mcconnell because the people in this country that want to fight for this country and want to bequeath
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uh the the uh constitutional republic that is the centerpiece of the judeo-christian west
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are two-thirds of the nations and at minimum maybe 75 percent and are being betrayed every day by the
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uniparty elite uh so i thought yesterday with you and then this breaking story and it ties together
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what's happening on the campus etc i want to get to these speeches but i want to have you sum up for a
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is that why is it and this is what we're going to have someone from red ice tv a segment on white
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culture in the in the second half of the show but as i keep arguing why is it white leaders
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these are not we have not this has not been this is not a multi-ethnic uh or diverse group of leaders
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that have done this the leaders that have done this are all white in europe and basically in the
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united states why was it that caucasians were the ones at the leadership level that benefited the most
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in the elites from the party of davos to the party of wall street in silicon valley why was it give me
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a minute or two why was it they that lost faith and not the working class in the middle class
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of both europe and the united states well steve you said a number of times on the show and it's a
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brilliant insight um that you know many civilizations have declined have been declined
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because they've been pushed to the edge pushed pushed to the edge to the end by their leadership
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but never before in human history have you had a class of grifters who grifted more on the way down
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than on the way up this is all by design i think it's because it's so obvious you know it's in a sense
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it's sort of conspiracy conspiratorial and in a sense uh to say that it's all planned you know this
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this is all this is this is all intended um and it sounds a little out there but when you look into
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these things what other explanation is there to that you can superimpose on top of all these
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phenomena that that you see to to to try and sort of work out what the underlying underlying meaning
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of these events are this is all intended it is all planned because you know they're not dilettantes
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these people who are running our societies are what we call our sociopathic overlords these people
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this is their vocation this is this is their this is what they are but to grift is what they are born
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to do this is their calling um so it's not that they're just sort of bumbling along i like like we
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often call joe biden president magoo they're not sort of bumbling along oh look look how many
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sort of hundreds of billions we're making for ourselves what a happy coincidence no no this is
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all designed that the more chaos and more disaster there is in society the more fear there is in people
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the more people even a free people even the american people the more they will cling for fear to
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government and that is i i think the only rational thing that that a person when confronted with the
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with these facts can conclude yeah ben your getter feed has now become a must read where do people go
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to get it you're putting up great stuff atoynbee and really breaking down you're taking ukraine and
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broadening out to the topic that really is where do people go thanks steve thanks so much uh at
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harnwell that's my surname there at harnwell on getter and really i have absolutely some great my
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top 10 top dozen posts are some of the best i've ever put out uh on the feed right now thanks steve
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thanks very much brilliant stuff thanks hey revoir the reason i today i want this speech because i think
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it frames so much of what's going on in the world and it's from a young person as you know trump is winning
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now under 30s by five percent i think he's winning under 30s globally by more than five percent and
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the reason is people like eva vlar this speech was at cpac hungary it's gotten over 50 million views
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50 million views uh from a young woman we've had on this show a number of times why is this speech
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resonating with people because i think it puts out front uh her proud uh christian heritage what
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we're fighting for and what this fight's all about this is at the end of the day a spiritual war
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a spiritual war of the of of the most intense i think in human history it's a war also that we
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can't we cannot there is no possibility we can lose this as i keep saying we only lose if we quit
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now eva vlar this amazing speech with over 50 million views hello hungary hello budapest hello fellow
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europeans and american friends thank you so much for having me allow me to skip from at least for a
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moment and dive right into a subject that is not so cheerful but very very necessary to discuss
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let me walk you through the past seven days in europe this week in stockholm three elderly women in
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their 70s were stabbed in broad daylight on the streets in london four people were stabbed in a
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time span of just 42 hours in paris hundreds of afghan migrants took to the street to riot
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and in brigolo also in france yet another church was burned down to the ground
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and that ladies and gentlemen is just a few incidents in just a couple of days on our beautiful
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continent but we all know that these incidents aren't incidents anymore if there's one thing that's for
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sure is that we know and our governments also know that there is a link between mass migration and crime
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in a dutch city of doordrecht something interesting happened the other day
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they announced and this is a small city in the netherlands in my home country
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that a new asylum center will be put in that little town and what did the municipality do
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they said we are going to offer citizens who live in the vicinity of this center
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our new reality in europe consists of frequent rapes stabbings killings murders shootings even beheadings
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but let me be clear about one thing this did not used to happen before this is a newly imported
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problem samuel p huntington predicted this over 25 years ago when he wrote and i quote in the new world
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of mass migration the most pervasive important and dangerous conflicts will not be between the social
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classes they will not be between the rich and the poor they will be between peoples belonging to different
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cultural entities tribal wars and ethnic conflicts will occur within civilizations well boy was he right
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and the worst part is we as a society seem to have become indifferent to it when another white boy or
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white girl dies at the hand of an immigrant we might shake our head we might let out a sigh
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we might even get angry for a minute or two and then we go on with our lives we are for the family
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thoughts and prayers but nothing ever changes ladies and gentlemen what does that say about us
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this is the sign this is a response of a society that has already given up a society that has already
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accepted its defeat but is this true have we given up do we really accept the new reality that our globalist
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leaders have in mind for us i know one thing for sure and that is that if nothing changes if we don't
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start to seriously fight for our continent for our religion for our people our countries
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then this time that we live in will go down in history as the time in which western nations no
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longer had to get invaded by hostile armies in order to be conquered this time will then go down in
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history as the period in which the invader was actively invited in by a corrupt elite and not only
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did this corrupt elite invite the enemy in they made the native population pay for it too
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everyone who has eyes can see it the native white christian european population is being replaced at an
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ever-accelerating rate let me back this up for you with some statistics from my home country
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let's take amsterdam the capital amsterdam currently consists of 56 percent migrants
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the hague 58 percent migrants rotterdam almost 60 percent migrants and of course most of these
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immigrants come from non-christian non-western african and middle eastern countries
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countries conclusion the dutch population is already outnumbered in the majority of our cities
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but that looks let's look onwards london 54 percent migrants again conclusion native population outnumbered
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brussels color me shocked 70 percent migrants conclusion native population majorly outnumbered
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and other europeans will of course follow suit soon if they haven't already so i'm going to draw the
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forbidden conclusion here the great replacement theory is no longer a theory it's reality and what's
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interesting about replacement is that the establishment will either deny its existence
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or when they admit to it they say that it's a good thing that the native european population
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is soon no longer a majority on its own continent
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dutch national disgrace and dubbed climate pope frans timmermans already stated in 2015 that diversity is
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humanity's destiny and that europe will be diverse and of course by now i think we all know what they mean
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what the word diversity it means less white people less of you imagine this in an asian or an african
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country imagine their leaders rejoicing in the fact that their people will soon no longer be a majority in
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their own country absolutely unthinkable unimaginable so what in the world is wrong with our leaders
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the underlying sentiment of what they say is always the same
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our establishment claims that white people are evil and that our history is somehow fundamentally different
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from that of others consciously or unconsciously they have sucked up the lies and the nty dogmas
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of the neo-marxist critical race theory that's why the totalitarians in brussels
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are trying to force you the hungarian people a sovereign nation to accept immigrants despite the
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fact that the population has said no and so has the government but make no mistake the majority of the
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dutch people haven't asked for this either just like brussels is forcing hungary to accept these words of
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immigrants they are doing the same now even in the smallest of towns in the netherlands no part
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may remain dutch in the traditional sense of the word no part of europe may remain european
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and it's not difficult to understand why if the old europe still exists in certain places and people
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will be able to compare the new europe to the old and newsflash they will prefer the old that's why
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the eurocrats hate hungary so much and their message is clear our way of life our christian religion our
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their vision of the future is the neo-liberal unrecognizable europe where every city becomes
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kind of like brussels ugly dirty unsafe zero social cohesion where the buildings are constantly under
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construction and they never ever seem to finish and even when they do the end result is uglier somehow
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than what they started with and what are we left with a permanent state of isolation confusion and
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disorientation ladies and gentlemen welcome to the new world order
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so what's the antidote a strong christian europe of sovereign nation states that's why we need to
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outright reject the lie that nationalism causes war it's not nationalism or national sovereignty
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that causes war it's expansionism and where in europe do we find that nowadays in one place and one
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isn't it funny how the same people who erode our national sovereignty and love to do it give it all
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up to the eurocrats there that those people are now telling us that we need to spend billions and
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billions of euros on the national sovereignty of ukraine
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it's a joke honestly and it's a pretty sick expensive and dangerous joke
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during a recent interview i got asked by an interviewer do you think that you ever go too far
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do you think that you're ever too radical i thought about it for a second and i said no
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truth be told ladies and gentlemen i think we in europe do not go far enough
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i think that if we really think about the organized structural attack on our civilization
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that we don't do enough do we do enough to stop the attack on our families on our continent on our
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countries on our religion when we hear about another murder another stabbing of a young innocent child
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do we do enough when we know that our national sovereignty has been given up in last than a
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century to brussels do we do enough when we hear that christian kids in germany are now converting to
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islam to fit in do we do enough i don't think so the totalitarian institute of the european union needs
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to come down let me be clear i don't believe in reforms when the foundation of your institution is
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rotten and that is the case in brussels you can rebuild the house on top of it all you want but
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it's still going to crumble so the only answer is the tower of babel needs to be destroyed
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ladies and gentlemen we are the daughters and sons of the greatest nations on earth
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are we going our elites have declared a war on us and now it is time for us to put on the full armor
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okay i want you to put a pin in the depth uh of what she was just talking about in the fight as
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she sees it or what she's talking about eva vlar uh i'm going to play in a minute the exact opposite
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of that this is the secular view of uh secular elites in europe and they're wanting first uh times
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of turbulence i'm so proud about the uh the end of the dollar empire this is the fifth free installment
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it's a central bank digital currency but it gets to exactly one of the problems we're going to talk about
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with the financial times clip i'm about to play the elites in this country you know the financial
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times are going to talk about the post-war international rules-based order the foundational
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financial times let's roll it compare this to eva vlar i'll be back in about a minute uh well the
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european strategy up until now has been to hope um that trump doesn't get re-elected i mean there's not
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much you can do in practical terms to hedge against this horrific possibility uh trump first time
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round was pretty bad and i think um there's an understanding that if he gets elected again in
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in november it's going to be by a multiple much much worse than it was last time so in terms of trade
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wars uh trump believes that deficits u.s deficits with any country means by definition america is being
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ripped off so there would be a transatlantic trade war a far greater scale than there was with the
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aluminum um and steel um tariffs we got last time the word of course be the end of nato if not legally
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certainly de facto um in terms of trump saying that countries that haven't spent two percent of their
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gdp um are not paying their membership jews he sees this as a club um and and therefore we will not
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come to your aid if you're attacked by putin okay it's not a club uh but it's not an alliance uh it's
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a protector of the united states ed loose and the elites in the financial times of london and their
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advertisers and their readers don't get this yet we are through underwriting the security of europe
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you're going to have put in such a problem you're going to have to step up as allies and pay your fair
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share you're going to have to step up as allies and pay your fair share we are adamant about this
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we are not going to relent on this we're tired of the wealthy and rich deadbeats in europe from
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belgravia to the south of france to tuscany to the swiss alps allowing their population have free
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health care free college uh six weeks vacation pensions at 50 that the american people don't
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have and have to underwrite it you're going to have to start to pay for your own defense
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now what i'm very proud in cpac hungry which was just monumental because orban is at the
00:35:43.000
tip of the spear of this fight although i don't thousand percent agree with everything victor orban
00:35:47.640
does particularly he's way too close uh to i think the ccp and plays way too much footsie
00:35:53.880
with a she but hey the world's not perfect but cpac hungry was extraordinary i was able i was uh honored
00:36:01.320
to give a a short introduction of my thoughts about uh what's happening with cpac hungry and
00:36:07.160
why cpac and victor orban had been such a leader in this movement and then i was very honored to
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have said we sent a contingent over there captain maureen bannon uh gave a terrific speech so we're
00:36:17.480
going to play we're going to play this and then we're going to go out with uh we've got some intense
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uh footage of uh of stephanie rule and uh finish what they started this is all about maga remember
00:36:29.320
the cpac hungry all of us about maga and the ascendance of maga mo bannon represented us captain
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bannon represented us at cpac hungry gave a fascinating speech i want to play this in its
00:36:42.200
entirety and we will be right back to comment and discuss this is mo bannon uh at budapest the other
00:36:48.200
day cpac hungry let's go ahead and let it rip good afternoon thank you for the opportunity to address all
00:36:54.200
of you at cpac hungry today i have always been told how beautiful budapest is and i was blown away
00:37:01.880
by the beauty when i arrived much of hungary's history is marked by the struggle for freedom
00:37:09.560
what many us many of us have learned from hungary's past is that god homeland and family are the
00:37:16.920
foundational values that ensure a nation's survival prime minister victor orban has been
00:37:24.040
a leader in the sovereignty movement worldwide his actions defend not only the citizens of hungary
00:37:31.800
but europe and the judeo-christian west they must not be minimized prime minister
00:37:39.640
orban and hungary are the leaders to the rest of the world because they have courage
00:37:45.640
not only does the courage of prime minister orban
00:37:48.440
orban but that of hungary inspire leaders from all over the world to step up history teaches us
00:37:57.320
that courage is the most important of all values and virtues because it is upon courage that all
00:38:04.520
virtues rest we are gathered in hungary at the center of this fight prime minister orban shows us
00:38:12.840
just like president trump that if we don't quit we win the globalists would do anything they can
00:38:21.160
to get you to quit they want us to quit both ahead of your parliamentary elections in june and our
00:38:28.680
presidential election in november the fight stops when we say it does war room was built for this fight
00:38:37.160
for this time in history as chief executive officer of war room i commit to cpac hungary america the
00:38:46.760
maga movement prime minister orban and especially president trump that we have not yet begun to fight
00:38:57.080
my father my father was unable to join us here in hungary today however please turn your attention
00:39:08.600
to the screens for a message from my father stephen k bannon
00:39:16.120
thank you for inviting me to address cpac hungary which is all important one of my heroes in the world
00:39:24.440
today in addition to president trump is victor orban the president of your country he is a leader in
00:39:32.680
this populist nationalist or sovereignty movement throughout the world his actions his actions in
00:39:40.360
defending hungary in defending the citizens of hungary in defending all of europe and the judeo-christian
00:39:49.240
west cannot be minimized what you're doing in this conference is uniting and pulling together
00:39:55.960
made the leaders and providing a platform but particularly it's highlighting on a world stage
00:40:02.920
the importance of hungary as a leader as a nation that is a leader and an individual that is not just
00:40:11.000
a leader and victor orban but inspiring young leaders throughout the world to step up and that's
00:40:17.080
why we can't thank you enough for what you're doing in this fight our our fight is long from
00:40:22.600
over you have the european parliamentary elections you have so much going on we have the presidential
00:40:26.440
election but this is a process because i can tell you one thing if we don't quit we win
00:40:35.240
if we don't quit we win and they want they will do everything to make sure you quit
00:40:40.920
they will the source-backed globalists and it's more than just source and it's deeper than just source
00:40:46.200
and the money is actually coming from many different angles right now to crush the freedom of
00:40:52.360
hungary just like the the bolsheviks and the soviets try to crush you in the 1950s
00:40:58.520
it's coming from everywhere in every direction because they want to inflict as much pain as possible so you
00:41:04.440
will quit the courage that you have right now of having this and providing this platform
00:41:11.000
for freedom liberty and most importantly the sovereignty of the nation state is all important
00:41:20.120
i thank you for having a delegation from the war room very much thank you giving a platform
00:41:25.800
to captain maureen bannon um the war room supports you guys non-stops matt and mercedes
00:41:31.640
mercedes slapper c-pack but particularly one of the great heroes on the world stage
00:41:38.040
in someone that the globalist elite want to destroy just as much as they want to destroy
00:41:44.920
donald j trump who now is on trial for up to 700 years in prison besides bankrupting him in the united
00:41:52.440
states of america and that would be your own president leader victor orban uh once again just an
00:41:58.680
incredible hero you guys are an inspiration to the world and war room will always and everywhere have your
00:42:06.360
back have a great conference fight on okay uh times of turbulence as you know uh you need to think
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it's going to be a lot more turbulent in this country in the world uh than has been a lot more
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turbulent other night very fascinating uh interview with the author uh isaac arnsdorf of finish what we
00:42:44.200
started about the mega movement about the precinct strategy stephanie rule was not agreeing with all
00:42:49.160
of it let's play that from msnbc and i will be back immediately after the volume for this one because we are
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talking project 2025 the far-right program stacked with trump allies who have written the playbook
00:43:04.120
for a second trump term between now and election day we're going to read passages from that 900
00:43:09.640
page playbook so you can begin to understand just how dangerous this plan could be here's tonight's
00:43:15.720
excerpt revelations regarding the fbi's role in the russia hoax of 2016 big tech collusion and the
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suppression of hunter biden's laptop in 2020 strongly suggests that the fbi is completely out of
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control the next conservative administration should conduct an immediate comprehensive review of all
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major active fbi investigations and activities and terminate any that are unlawful or contrary to the
00:43:43.880
national interest this is straight from the playbook for donald trump's second term but my next
00:43:51.080
guest has even more reporting on what trump could do isaac arzendorf joins me he's a national political
00:43:57.080
reporter for the washington post and author of the new book finish what we started the maga movement's
00:44:03.320
ground war to end democracy it is out now this is some book um you have covered this story for months and
00:44:12.680
months i i want you to start with helping us understand trump's plan and project 2025's plan as it relates to the
00:44:20.360
department of justice well you know trump doesn't talk in sentences like what you read uh and he's
00:44:26.120
he's not reading those chapters but that's sort of the the detailed wrap around for what trump is
00:44:31.640
saying in his speeches which is i am your retribution and what trump is saying privately to advisors which
00:44:37.320
from our reporting is actually naming individual critics who he wants a second term justice department to
00:44:45.080
investigate many of the people who are spearheading project 2025 are christian nationalists how much
00:44:53.480
power could they have over a second trump term well the the larger philosophical shift here is away from
00:45:00.440
like what we think about as reagan conservative orthodoxy if the government is the problem get it out
00:45:05.160
of the way and now a way of thinking about the government sometimes called common good conservative but
00:45:11.240
common good conservatism how can conservatives or republicans use the government to achieve
00:45:17.160
policy aims so it's a much more assertive aggressive muscular use of executive power in
00:45:23.880
particular and federal power more generally than we're used to seeing from conservatives who have
00:45:29.800
traditionally historically been about small government steve bannon was sort of the original architect
00:45:35.720
of the maga movement we very rarely hear his name anymore maybe in part because of all the legal
00:45:40.840
problems he got in raising the money for the wall stealing the money from the people who gave to get
00:45:46.120
to building the wall where is he now is he behind the scenes as a puppet master even if he's not
00:45:52.520
standing next to trump double popped collar and all well it's more like it was back in 2015 and 16
00:45:58.440
where bannon has this role of evangelizer and media figure and he's still extremely influential in that
00:46:05.240
role i call it like a far right meet the press with the podcast that he runs and there's a lot that he
00:46:10.760
can do from that perch not being officially on the campaign hold on a minute a far right meet the press
00:46:17.240
i mean who outside the far right participates in this program bannon's interview bannon's podcast is the
00:46:24.680
number one most prestigious interview for any republican politician i mean ronna mcdaniel before she got
00:46:29.720
toppled was doing interviews on that show my god you say that the maga movement has never been more
00:46:37.240
disciplined or strategic explain that to us because the average person sees trump stumbling into into into
00:46:44.600
into court falling asleep uh in his chair and they don't think it's it's disciplined at all so take us
00:46:49.960
inside what the movement has done uh and bannon was key in popularizing this at a moment when trump
00:46:57.080
was kind of out of the picture after january 6th he was in hiding in mar-a-lago for a while and it was
00:47:02.680
actually the grassroots that drove this and bannon that channeled it into taking over the party organization
00:47:09.960
itself talking about the party ladder from the rnc all the way down to the tiniest lowliest precincts
00:47:16.360
and by channeling the movement into that party infrastructure it it gave us this this structure in this
00:47:23.880
organization and makes it much more durable than a cult of personality around a single person and
00:47:29.880
so no matter what's happening with trump's legal issues or with trump's campaign the party field
00:47:35.560
organization the party pyramid itself is there and it is bottom to top transformed and and unified around
00:47:43.400
election denial and allegiance to trump what do people misunderstand about maga right because we watch
00:47:50.040
the likes of bill barr of krista nunu who openly talk about the the risk that donald trump is the
00:47:57.080
threat to democracy and then they turn around and go but i'm gonna vote for him isn't that amazing i mean
00:48:02.600
bill barr is one of those people who in our reporting trump has singled out as wanting to prosecute and
00:48:07.960
he'll still vote for him i think one of the key things i learned is how you know you talk about the
00:48:14.600
the the ballot mules or the or the voting machines and and all these things that we think about as
00:48:20.280
being uh the allegations that spring up and get knocked down with the election being stolen are
00:48:26.040
are not really what it's all about and and it's really about a a feeling a belief about who america
00:48:32.200
is supposed to be for and what was supposed to happen in 2020 and what's supposed to happen in 2024
00:48:38.360
but the the key about purifying the party was purifying the party well they're actually totally
00:48:46.440
right that the reason that trump failed in 2020 was because of a few republicans who wouldn't go along
00:48:52.040
with it and by the the purpose of taking over the party in this way was to root all of them out and
00:48:57.640
make sure that they wouldn't be there next time that's the goal but so many of these far-right
00:49:03.640
candidates that trump keeps endorsing are losing in their elections like we have to remind our
00:49:08.360
audience he's powerful within the republican party but get past primaries and that guy's a stone cold
00:49:14.120
loser since 2016 well and it comes down to those republicans it's it's a small vanishing slice of the
00:49:20.760
electorate but in in a game of inches in a close election it can absolutely be decisive and these are
00:49:26.120
the traditional republicans who don't identify as maga but definitely don't identify as democrats and
00:49:32.040
are just kind of stranded and struggling with where they're left in this new two-party system
00:49:38.280
and the way that anti-trump republicans and some democrats have learned to speak to that core
00:49:43.720
constituency and build a new community out of out of those voters is a huge part of the story of 2020
00:49:49.960
to the midterms the surprise and will be a huge part of what happens in november as well
00:49:55.640
i think you've seen from this evening's a show our five and our six o'clock how intense things are
00:49:59.960
getting i will commit to you that tomorrow morning show and tomorrow evening show will be just as
00:50:05.560
intense uh like i said we live in times of turbulence and we're here in the war room to be your still
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