WarRoom Battleground EP 554： Preventing The End Of The Republic; The Left's Fear Of Religion
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Summary
On today's episode of War Room Battleground, host Stephen K. Bannon sits down with Steve Stern, CEO of Flagshirt, to discuss why Flag Day is so important to the MAGA movement and why you should get involved.
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This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there. What they're doing is blowing
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people off. If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the
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authoritarians get total control and total power. Because this is just like in Arizona. This is
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just like in Georgia. It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies
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and misrepresentations. This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you,
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this is the fight. All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
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War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Hello, I'm Steve Stern, CEO of Flagshirt.com, a third generation veteran owned small business.
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I believe that the American way of life is for all of us. I'm asking you today to visit
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flagshirt.com. Help keep the American dream alive. Be a flag waver. Carry a nation's heritage.
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Use coupon code ACTION10 for 10% off site wide and buy a flag shirt today. Action, action, action.
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It's Thursday, 13 June in the year of our Lord, 2024. We're on the eve of Flag Day, which is the 14th.
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And there's an individual, I think, has brought this back into the front of the MAGA movement,
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in front of the American imagination, and that would be the flag shirt proprietor and one of the most
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hardest workers for the MAGA movement and also for election integrity in this country, Steve Stern.
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Steve, why did you decide to make Flag Day such a big day? Tomorrow, we've got a whole show going all
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day long. But why did you pick Flag Day to kind of say, hey, we've got to go back, think about the
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American flag, think about the importance of our national symbol, sir. So we did this last year.
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We had 46 speakers. This year, we got 24 speakers. We're going to talk about the history of the flag.
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And most kids that are going to school have no clue what it is. And many adults don't know. So if you
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want to get involved, we expect between 500,000 and a million people to either watch it or open it up
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afterward, go to the flagday2024.com. You can sign up for it. It's going to be on Getter. It's going
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to be on Rumble. It's going to be on Lindell TV and many, many other avenues that is going to be
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there. And we have some tremendous speakers, Steve Bannon, Wayne Root, General Flynn, John Rich,
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Colonel John Mills, John Solomon, Donna Fiduccia, Jerome Corsi, Tom Renz, Joni Bryant, many, many
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others. And there's some important people that are going to be on there that talk about election
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integrity, too, which is very important. We have a call coming up on the 26th. So we'd like to make
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sure everybody signs up. You can go live. You can sign up by going to the flagday2024.com. And as you
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know, we're doing our flag shirt as our sponsor. That's the main sponsor. We got Patriot Mobile.
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We have many, many people that are going to be involved in this. But you're going to see one of
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the most unbelievable pictures, talking, everything. It's so unbelievable. I've seen some of the stuff
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that we're going to do. And we've been working on this for a month. I mean, people don't understand
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how hard it is to do this thing. And you just don't put it up. So come on tomorrow, watch it,
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enjoy it. And then we have our 20 and on June 26, our election security call with some top
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people have never been on. I listened to your show this morning talking about how the how
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this is going to be the most important election we ever had. And I can I can admit to that because
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I have spoken to so many people. Yes, you had a question. Steve, you got it. You're going
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to be from noon. I just want to make sure people have the time. It's from 12 noon Eastern
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Daylight Time until when? To four o'clock and at four o'clock, depending on some of the guests
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that we've invited, we'll have a little bit extra time on that. But it'll start at 12 Eastern time
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so we can get everybody on the West Coast this time to see it. And we're going to have some special
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things produced. I'm wearing a new shirt that I just got today. And I'm also wearing a great hat
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that I got from the leader of your company. And I'm proud to wear this. And behind me, you can see
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that we have our election security information. We have the war room in there. So many people have
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come, called me and texted me about getting involved in the Republican Party. And again,
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I know this morning they said protect the vote. But it's very important to go to protect the vote
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and get involved. And also, you know, we have 30 different counties that we've been talking about
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that are going to make a difference. We put all our efforts in Pennsylvania now. So we got a whole
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election security team in there. We got some superstars. So again, thank you very much for
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having me on this afternoon. And hopefully everybody...
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Now, hang on, hang on, hang on. Now, it just so happens, as the fates would have it,
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President Trump's birthday happens to also be on the 14th flag, Jay. Just saying,
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hey, just saying, is there any possibility? Because I know that you commemorate and you helped
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commemorate President Trump's birthday. They did it today, this morning when he met with the House
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Republicans. Is there any chance that we're going to have a special guest that may be having a
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We invited him. I won't know till tomorrow morning. But we do have a special guest, you,
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coming on too, hopefully. So all the good people are coming on. And we want to definitely
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make sure you sign up because you've got to go to FlagDay2024.com. You've been so instrumental in
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helping us. We love you for that. I mean, so many people have stepped up in putting it live and
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getting involved. It's going all around the country. And, you know, we want to start something
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where we have people that write articles all over the United States. So when you talk to me
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and I pass this information, we have 50 people in states that send this information out. And that's
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what I'm trying to do. We have a guy in South Carolina that is doing this every day. He sends
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out a bulletin to everybody in South Carolina. We have top people all around the country that are
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coming up. You know, we're getting really enthusiastic about this election coming up,
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and I can see it happening. You know, I'm the vice chair of the Browell Republican Executive
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Committee, and we see so many people getting involved. They just don't know what they can do.
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We're putting them to work right away, knocking on doors. And, you know, Florida has plus—they're
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going to have plus a million Republicans who went down from 100,000 Democrats plus to 940,000
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Republicans. So we can do this in every state. And again, what we talked about Pennsylvania,
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if we can win Pennsylvania, we can win every state. And we're going to stop them,
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you know, from the stealing. And we've got superstars there. We've got Steve Carr,
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John Child, John Farrow, Leah Hoops. We've got Dave Ball, who's our head there, Greg Stenstrom.
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So we're doing action, action, action. I want to say again, thank you so much for having me.
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We have all kinds of new things coming up. My favorite new thing is my cowboy hat,
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and I'm going to be wearing that on one of the shows tonight.
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Believe it or not, they're putting me on Newsmax. So we're going to get this word out for everything.
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Everything is important for communication. And Steve Bannon, you're my hero.
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No, we're going to be on War Room Getter and our Rumble, the million person Rumble network we have.
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We're also going to be, I have 6.7 million on my personal getter. We're going to stream it there
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all afternoon from 12 noon to 4 Eastern Daylight Time. And hopefully President Trump, it's his
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birthday. We'll also be a single member. There'll be active discussion on voter integrity, what we have
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to do to win. Of course, honoring the greatest flag in mankind's history, old glory, the American flag.
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Steve Stern, you're a warrior in doing this, and you're having a huge impact. You've been doing this
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for years. It's really getting out there. And I think particularly young people, one of the reasons
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President Trump is now tied with Biden from being 20 or 30 points down with people under 29,
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one of the major reasons, I think, is his love of country and patriotism. It's his birthday to
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Marvel. Commemorate all of it. Steve Stern, thank you so much, brother. Appreciate it.
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Thank you so much. Don't forget to buy a flag shirt.
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Flag shirt. Go to the flag shirt store. It's amazing. Incredible. They got great products,
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men, women, hats, everything dealing with the American flag. And tomorrow it's flag day
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and President Trump's birthday. The Republicans wish him happy birthday today when he met on the
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Hill. Great meeting there as we went through in the morning show. So we got, we had Laura Trump on
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earlier today, talk about election integrity, and we've got to make sure we secure the elections
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in 2024 because if we don't do it this time like we failed to do in 2020, it's the end of the
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republic. Tina Peters joins us. Tina, you're, you are being persecuted for actually standing up for
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voter integrity and making sure that the elections were not stolen. You gave us an update the other day
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on your, on your court case. I understand there's certain details you can't go into of evidence that
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you want to provide and things you want to provide because I'm sure you're going to be in a tangle
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with the judge. But tell us about what you can talk about. There's some other elements to your
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case you haven't gotten into. Can you get us up to date on that, ma'am? You bet. Thanks, Steve,
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for having me on. This is a really important time because what they're doing to me is, is meant to send a
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chilling effect to every election official or anyone that wants to speak out against the fraudulent
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election process, these machines, anything, connect the internet. So we have filed a, with the court of
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appeals in the 10th circuit, and what this is, this is intended to do is to stop this sham of a trial
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because the supremacy clause of the Constitution of the United States says that if I am in the process
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of, of preserving election files, which are federal election files that have to be preserved for 22
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months, that a state court cannot prosecute me for that. And I'll just, I'll just read just a part of
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this. It says, the need for expedition arises from the fact that the supremacy clause immunity is not just a
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garden variety jurisdictional issue, but a creature of the federal blueprint of the United States
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Constitution, a product of the bounds the framers established to separate the proper spheres of the
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federal and state governments. And it serves to prevent states from using criminal prosecutions of such
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individuals to impede or frustrate the execution of federal law. So we've asked the, the, the appeal, the
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appeal court in the 10th circuit to hear this before July 29th, uh, to stop the sham of a, of a trial.
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Steve, they have cost these, the deep state actors in this case have, have cost the citizens of Mesa County
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so much money by taking out, uh, the, that equipment without my approval, kicking me out of office,
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preventing the elected official, which was me from conducting the elections and more. And they have
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spent so much money. I don't know. I would, I would imagine the millions prosecuting a innocent
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person, Steve, and failing to go after someone with 26 pounds of fentanyl that the same DA let off on
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probation. So, um, you know, we're really fighting the, uh, free Tina.com or some Patriots put up a
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website that, that, uh, gives the trial dates. This is a, this is a violation of, of the federal law,
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federal statute, 52 USC 20701 that says election files must be preserved for 22 months federally.
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And then the, uh, Colorado revised statute, which is one dash seven dash 802, which says that these
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election records must be preserved for 25 months in the state of Colorado. And it was, so I know,
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I know, I know, I know, I know your attorney can't come up cause they don't want to tip their hand on
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how they're going to pursue this, but this is what I still don't get with the evidence that you're
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prepared to come forward with and things like this right here, where they actually destroyed files.
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Why is the, why is the prosecution of Tina Peters so important? Because you did run again with,
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with some of these charges hanging out there and didn't win. Aren't they through with Tina Peters?
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Haven't they blown past Tina Peters? So I, it's kind of, it's just strange. Why are they risking?
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Because if you get to present what you say you have, if you get to present your receipts,
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Well, that's exactly what they're afraid of, Steve. And that's why the 10 count felony indictment,
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it has, it doesn't actually talk about the real issue, which is the real issue that they
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have gone after me is because I exposed what was inside these machines and people can read it for
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themselves, Steve. They can go on tinapeters.us, the website or on Frank's speech and see the Mesa
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County report one, two, and three, that's never been debunked that has, and watched selection code,
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which talks about what was done. And, and, and it's proof it's never been debunked. I mean,
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these are, these are qualified experts that examined that forensic image. And by the way,
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that forensic image was completely legal to do. It's a, it's a bit by bit
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image of the election management system. It's an unalterable image that is admissible in court
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to prove what was on the, the election management server in Mesa County before they did their so-called
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trusted bill. And then what was on the system after they did their trusted bill. And that's where we have
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the evidence of them going in and actually committing felonies. Do the, do you believe
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that the Dominion people will be prosecution witnesses? Will they bring in Dominion and
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Smartmatic, wherever these companies are? Do you think that they will actually come in
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as prosecution witnesses and say, Oh, Tina Peters is wrong. Tina Peters doesn't understand it. Tina
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Peters, uh, this is over her head. Well, there's a lot coming out all over right now about Smartmatic,
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as you see with Newsmax and, uh, you know, uh, and Dominion. I mean, they're on their heels. They've got
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John Pauls lying under oath about the, that these election, these, this equipment is not connected to
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the internet, which it is. And now the Colorado County Clerks Association and Jenna Griswold warns
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the clerks to just make sure that your wifi is turned off. Well, these are, these are systems that are
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not, not only not supposed to be connected to the internet, but not have the capability
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to connect to the internet. And these can be accessed from outside sources, not just from
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people inside of the clerk's office. So, um, you know, I just encouraged to bring it on because
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there's too many, there's, there's too much out there that will substantiate what I've said here.
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And it will also, uh, shine light. The reason they're going after me is, is they want to cover up
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their crimes. Well, it's interesting. If the judge lets us in, this is going to be a Donnie
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Burke. It starts, when does the trial start? It starts July 31st. You can go on freetina.com.
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It's a Patriot funded site that people set up to let people know, uh, what's going on in the trial.
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It can be broadcast. The judge has ruled that it can be broadcast by KREX TV. So anyone that wants to
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tie into that broadcast is able to Steve, if you want to broadcast the trial, it's open. Uh, the
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press is open to view the trial. Um, and you know, I think the American people need to see that when
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they, when the American people are paying for a sham trial to go after an innocent person, you know,
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that's costing them, you know, untold amounts of money to go after me and prosecute me. And all I did
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was preserve election records. And that's what they don't want you to see.
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Tina, where do people go? Social media, all of it one more time.
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Thank you. Tina Peters.us is my website. You can watch selection code. You can see all three of the
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reports. Um, I encourage you to, you know, uh, if you can to donate, uh, you know, as you can imagine,
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the law fair has been incredible. And you can also reach me at real Tina Peters on X getter,
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uh, gab, uh, and truth. So please reach out. Um, you know, I love you guys. I won't give up. I've
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been given, uh, several ways, several times that I could make this all go away. And I said, no,
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they said, well, you know, all you have to do is just say you lied. And I said, but I don't lie.
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And so, um, you know, they, I could have made this all go away, but we have to stand the people out
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there have to stand. So, um, you know, I, I just appreciate everyone, um, everyone supporting me
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in this and, uh, appreciate you Steve for putting it out. Tina, we love you. We got your back. We'll
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make sure, uh, we make sure we're on top of this day to day. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. God
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bless you. One of the pay a gold star mother, one of the, um, serving her country again. And with no
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back down, uh, Brett, I got you on here. We'll go through some capital markets, but I got such
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tremendous feedback from your, your commentary this morning, your observation this morning,
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where basically the New York times and MSNBC are saying, Hey, these is weird people out there
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talking about godliness that the nation has returned to godliness. And they're a scary bunch,
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but we know there are not many of them because we've never heard it. That was the New York times
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girl talking to, what is it? Uh, to Nicole Wallace. We've never heard of it. And Nicole
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Wallace and they go, yeah, these are crackpots and weirdos of godliness. It's about 85% of
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the country, 9% of the country, uh, brother. Yeah, it's 85, 90% of the country. It's in
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our guts. That's what makes us Americans. And the great thing about the Judeo Christian people
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is they love everybody else in the world. We want what's best for everybody. Uh, we've
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cemented that into our institutions that now the, the liberal globalist elites are trying to
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rip out. They act like they're, they're in favor of helping out the poor. The, the liberals are gone,
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right? The Marxists are now in action. They want to take out God. They want to take out the Judeo
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Christian tradition. They want to take out the nation state. And as I said earlier, the most important
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piece of that discussion is, uh, the New York times, et cetera, they don't have an alternative
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worldview they can mention, right? They want to tear down the Judeo Christian West. Uh, what do they
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propose to replace that with a secularism? What does that mean? That's a bunch of gobbledygook.
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Uh, and so, yeah, that most of the country, when they see that they recoil, uh, properly because
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they love God, they love country, they love family, and, uh, they love the war room.
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Uh, talk to us. This is a campaign. A lot of it could come down to how the lower information voters,
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the lower propensity voters feel about the economy. I want to go back. You did an analysis because they
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keep telling, they keep gaslighting us with the Bureau of Labor statistics telling us it's never
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been better. There's never been more American jobs. There's never been, we know there's no
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Americans getting jobs, but you've actually done another cut at that. Walk me through it.
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Yeah, well, I, I take a cut at it, but I, zero hedge this week, two days ago, they keep repeating
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the same story over and over and over because it's so incredible. But the, uh, the zero hedge guys,
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uh, say, you know, the worst, most detestable, most unbelievable, most fictional job reports ever,
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right? They keep adding words to it because it's so ridiculous. Even the Fed chairman came out and
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said, yeah, the, these federal government job reports are, are not correct. Uh, and so, yeah,
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the establishment, uh, survey, which reports, you know, the jobs said we're up 272,000, but the
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household survey says we're down 400,000 jobs. Uh, that's the better one. The establishment,
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uh, survey, uh, just includes part-time jobs. So one person can have four jobs and they,
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they report that as being four jobs created. All that's false. Uh, but even worse, you know,
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you can talk about the intentional statistical, uh, anomalies, uh, that carried out by bureaucrats.
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Uh, but what they really don't want you to see is that all net new jobs in the last year,
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all net new jobs are part-time full-time jobs have declined. Uh, that's why the unemployment rate
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ticked up, right? That's another indicator, uh, that the stats are lying to you when they say there's
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all these new jobs, but the unemployment rate goes up to 4%. Uh, so that it cannot be. And then the real
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bombshell is over the last four years, all net new jobs, uh, went to foreign born workers, right?
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So no net new full-time jobs, uh, to, to American born, uh, workers, right? The, the mainstream
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media does not want you to hear that. Uh, the, the war room posse knows this is your lived experience,
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right? There's a few stats that go along with all of this, but you know, 40% of all Americans are
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unable to plan beyond their next paycheck. 46% of people don't have $500 saved for a rainy day.
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People may in the middle class making 60 to $70,000 can't manage their debt. Uh, their,
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their mortgage or their rent is half of their paychecks, uh, way out of proportion to normality.
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Uh, and so, and, and, you know, today a bombshell at the macro level, uh, the Saudis are reneging on
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the petrodollar. That's a regime that's been around for 50 years. And so on this show, the one thing we
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see all the time is there's kind of stability, uh, and most of these variables in the money supply or
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debt or our relationships with the Saudis for 50 years. And all of a sudden in the last four years,
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all bets are off on, on the economic piece and a, and a, the, the petrodollar piece was a combo
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deal, right? It was a political piece, uh, making friends with the Saudis and an economic deal. Now
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they're making friends with China. I think the Saudis are very short sighted. It's a huge error on their
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part. Uh, but that's, uh, the way they're moving because, uh, we're financially irresponsible.
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Is that, have our elites ended, you know, the, the post-war international rules-based order,
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which they get on top of us because we're America first and we want to put the nation state first
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and the country first, understanding that we're not isolationists. We're in the world. We will have
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alliances, but the underpinning of that was Bretton Woods. Has the irresponsible spending by the
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ruling elites here is that's, what's forced the Saudis cause you kind of can't blame them. I
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mean, they're not sitting there going, we don't support America. They're really sitting there
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going, we can't support your insane fiscal and monetary policies cause you're taking the purchase
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power of the dollar down 20% and what they're, they're projecting for and says it's going to
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continue to go down. Right. Unless we get Trump in and Trump can put a reversal on it, but even
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that's going to be tough. Your thoughts. Yeah, no, that's right. Uh, you know, we've showed over and
00:23:36.240
over and over productivity is down for 50 years. Uh, the Keynesian stimulus is one of those things,
00:23:42.620
which is just off the charts, right? Our, our debt right now is at world war two levels without world
00:23:48.680
war two. Although we have four hot wars coming at us in the last four years as well. So yes, the,
00:23:54.460
the propagate spending, uh, goes along with the federal reserve printing more money, uh, to accommodate
00:24:01.380
that federal government spending. So it's the dynamic duo, both working against the American
00:24:07.280
people. And so we've lost 20% of our purchasing power over the past four years, uh, 35% of our
00:24:14.620
purchasing power over the past seven years. Uh, this is not lost on the Chinese, uh, and the Saudis
00:24:20.760
who have very smart mathematicians. I did my PhD, uh, 30 years ago with a bunch of smart folks from all
00:24:26.260
over the world. Uh, they can do math. Uh, they see what's coming. Uh, they're making poor institutional
00:24:31.820
choices, right? Uh, after what we just got done saying about, you know, like, like Churchill said
00:24:38.660
about America, you know, we will wake up and do the right thing. The election coming up is a, is a
00:24:44.280
certain signal and the polling data, uh, lately is just insurmountable, right? The left has crushed
00:24:49.480
themselves, uh, liberal, the liberal world order is crushing itself. When you go in against 80% of the
00:24:55.300
people that believe in the Judeo-Christian tradition. Uh, and then when you make economic
00:24:59.620
mistakes of this magnitude, uh, sorry, you're, you're going down, but, uh, you're right. The
00:25:05.700
spending has put us in terrible shape, $2 trillion deficits per year, 50 trillion in debt in 10 years,
00:25:13.620
right? At the end of this budget cycle, the Saudis see that 50 trillion in debt, uh, and they know we
00:25:18.680
can't pay it off. So they know right now the Fed will never say this, right? But they're going to
00:25:22.380
have to run inflation, uh, to pay off that debt, right? So they're paying off that debt with cheaper
00:25:27.080
dollars. That's, what's coming our way. That's why they're, they're completely comfortable right
00:25:31.000
now at 3% or 4%. And after the election, they'll, they'll show their hand even more.
00:25:38.060
No, you know, we talked to Philip Patrick, uh, earlier. So, uh, this is serious. Dave Brat,
00:25:42.420
where do people go to get all your economic charts, all your economic analysis on social media?
00:25:46.780
Yep. Thanks, Steve. Uh, Brat economics on getter. And then, uh, I'm at Liberty university going
00:25:53.120
around the country, uh, giving talks. I'll be with, uh, Colonel Allen West down in Dallas, uh,
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July, uh, going down to Naples to, to meet some friends going all over Michigan, Pennsylvania. So
00:26:04.440
if you want me, just email me at Brat economics on getter and I'll come to a city near you with all
00:26:10.600
the charts from the war room. Thank you very much, Steve. Amazing, sir. Great hit are the
00:26:17.580
theologian and philosopher in the morning and the hard-nosed economist in the afternoon.
00:26:22.060
You've got range brother, as they say in baseball or acting, follow the Oxford, follow the Oxford
00:26:28.180
Don. Keep it up, Steve. Thank you, brother. Um, we talked to Philip Patrick earlier. You know,
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00:26:44.160
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together 16 Brexit to, to the Trump victory and what's happening today in Europe. But I've got
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to, cause Ben Harnwell is a man that has sacrificed his life for pushing forward the project of the
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values and civilization of the Judeo-Christian West. He does it from Rome. I want to play this
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clip that we played earlier today on the show and get his response.
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The core of the idea expressed to Mr. Alito that the country must fight the decline of
00:34:37.960
Christianity and public life goes beyond the questions of bias and influence of the nation's
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highest court. An array of conservatives, including anti-abortion activists, church leaders,
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and conservative state legislators has openly embraced the idea that American democracy needs
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to be grounded in Christian values and guarded against the rise of secular culture. They are
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right-wing Catholics and evangelicals who oppose abortion, same-sex marriage, transgender rights,
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and what they see as the dominance of liberal views in school curriculums. And they've become
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a crucial segment of former president Trump's political coalition intermingled with the MAGA
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movement that boosted him to the white house. And it hopes to do so once again in November,
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the only thing I'd add to that perfect articulation of where we are is, and they're going to decide
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whether or not Donald Trump has quote, absolute immunity in the criminal cases and charges against
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him. Well, this idea of returning America to a place of quote, godliness, this is not language that I
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think many Americans might be familiar with or thinking would be a legal principle, right? So it's
00:35:42.700
indicative of the entirely new moment that this country is in, especially since the overturning of
00:35:48.220
Roe. I mean, our book, The Fall of Roe, the subtitle is The Rise of a New America. And it gets at these
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questions about what is this conservative Christian movement that was so powerful that so many people
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didn't see that led to the overturning of Roe. Where are they going next, right? And what Alito,
00:36:07.940
by talking about godliness, was playing into was the language of this entirely, this right-wing
00:36:15.300
conservative Christian movement that really, as we show in our book, thinks about the questions of
00:36:21.700
democracy in an overarching question, not question, but an overarching story of being within the
00:36:29.020
kingdom of God. For many of these Christians, democracy, the story of America is just a small
00:36:34.460
story in the broader story of the kingdom of Jesus. Ben Harnwell, the shock that we talk about
00:36:44.420
godliness or one of our central tenets of our movement is to make sure that we're a God-centered
00:36:50.220
movement and we have the fear of the Lord. And that this is absolutely the beating heart and central
00:36:56.440
element of our movement to save the Judeo-Christian West and our civilization in the New Jerusalem that
00:37:04.300
is the American Republic, sir. Amen. Well, just listening to that lady talk, the thought strikes me that,
00:37:14.060
you know, if I can say this, I think being American really is more than just having an American
00:37:20.180
accent. You can hear someone talk, they can be like a family member or a neighbor or something,
00:37:25.020
you can hear them talk. And the more they tell you about what they think and what they believe,
00:37:29.620
what they think and believe to be the case, the more you realize you listen to think,
00:37:33.720
we inhabit absolutely different worlds. You know, not even the meaning of words, there's not even
00:37:43.540
the common denominator over a commonly accepted meaning of words anymore. It's not even geographically
00:37:51.700
it overlapped anymore. There are people, it's a very, very acute problem in the United States,
00:37:57.560
but it's right throughout the West as well. You have people living in the same country. And that is
00:38:04.140
probably the passport, the citizenship, that is the only thing that people now have in common.
00:38:11.220
And part of this, Steve, is because of the full frontal attack that within the education movement,
00:38:18.760
really from the 60s to undermine the historical, a commonly accepted historical narrative, which is part
00:38:25.600
of a cultural sense of belonging. And they did a very, I mean, you can see here, listen to this lady talk.
00:38:30.400
They've done a very, very good job on that. So, so you have basically this generation, generation,
00:38:36.300
what Z is it? There's really, you know, it's the same language, same accent. But apart from that,
00:38:45.260
the progressives have really worked very hard at creating a new, you know, she still, I think she said
00:38:50.860
like a new people, but she herself, ironically enough, I'm oblivious to the fact she herself is
00:38:56.280
a representative of this new people that has been created within the United States of America.
00:39:05.220
And it's difficult to know how, you know, I think this is what Samuel Alito was actually trying to say.
00:39:10.200
It's difficult to know how this is, how this is going to be resolved, if it is possible to be resolved.
00:39:15.780
And that's an open, you know, that's an open-ended question, isn't it? We all have our ideas of how this
00:39:23.640
can be resolved, if it can be resolved. But of course, you know, the founding fathers of America
00:39:32.760
were absolutely clear on the importance of morality, of piety, of religion, of the Christian religion.
00:39:40.200
They're absolutely clear. I mean, it's just like being a historical whitewash to suggest that
00:39:46.340
probably Jefferson himself was the closest to being a deist. But the majority of them weren't deists.
00:39:52.340
They were Christians, explicitly observant Christians, and very much motivated by their Christian faith.
00:39:59.960
And after, you know, we haven't even arrived at the 250th anniversary yet.
00:40:03.700
And whether that nation that they bequeathed posterity is going to exist in anything other
00:40:12.240
than just simply a name is going to be something we're going to find out. I think what happens
00:40:16.640
in November, Steve, for this year will be pretty determining as to the final answer of that question.
00:40:25.840
Our biggest ally 250 years ago in that revolution were the French. And the French had gone through
00:40:32.440
the difference, the differences in the American Revolution, the French Revolution could not be
00:40:37.280
clearer, although they were our ally and, quite frankly, helped finance our revolution.
00:40:42.800
Now you see France, which is, goes out of its way to be a secular nation.
00:40:48.100
What's happened in the last 72 hours is pretty extraordinary in France. Walk us through that.
00:40:53.520
Walk us through what's happening to our oldest ally.
00:40:57.080
Yeah, your oldest ally. Well, let's just reel back a little bit.
00:41:01.840
I think America at its founding at the revolution and France had a common interest that threw them
00:41:08.940
in together. That was the anti-British empire motivation that made them natural allies
00:41:15.480
historically. But just because I think for chronological reasons, I don't necessarily think
00:41:21.640
there is a great deal in common. By the way, I don't think there's a great difference,
00:41:26.760
a great commonality between France and America culturally or politically or even historically.
00:41:33.860
There was just that common need, common enemy of the greatest naval power at that time,
00:41:40.500
the UK. And that's, you know, I can understand that. I can understand the motives for that.
00:41:46.020
And England, of course, was doing its best to undermine. There was a war, right?
00:41:50.500
It did do its best for some time to undermine the success of the 13 colonies in exactly the same way,
00:41:59.260
by the way, that the European Union has been trying to undermine Great Britain after Brexit.
00:42:03.640
Look, what I found most amusing, really amusing, if we're talking about the common relationship
00:42:12.640
between France, the common historical relationship between France and America,
00:42:17.640
was the fact that Macron and Biden were there together in Paris, I think, a week ago,
00:42:24.740
by saying about how much they have in common. Little did they know, Steve, that this 72-hour-long
00:42:33.740
series of earthquakes and aftershocks and tremors that was about to hit France is equally,
00:42:42.580
I think, in the works, obviously not 72 hours, they have a longer play now, five months away.
00:42:50.880
And the same dynamics there is a genuine, authentic parallel to notes.
00:42:58.020
And I thought, you know, I mean, the timing couldn't have worked out better, Steve,
00:43:02.560
that there they were saying, you know, great allies, great historical friends and all the rest of it.
00:43:08.400
The very populist, nationalist, if I can use the word insurgency, which was about to strike at the ballot box,
00:43:16.060
that same anger, that same dissatisfaction, that same disgust, that same yearning on behalf of a political people,
00:43:24.720
of a people to have a political class that is confident enough to put their interests first.
00:43:34.280
And I think, again, in November, we're going to see that parallel a lot more closely.
00:43:40.860
As you say, in the same way that Brexit really led the way to the Trump victory,
00:43:47.120
I think, if none other, by actually illustrating that the power of the sociopathic overlords isn't absolute.
00:43:56.960
It isn't preordained that people, if they take confidently their own agency in their own two hands,
00:44:06.560
they can become protagonists in their own destiny once again.
00:44:10.120
And I think that that confidence that the UK showed in Brexit very much was a fillip towards,
00:44:18.300
if you will, it gave Americans a sense of commission in order to do exactly the same for the same sorts of reasons
00:44:26.320
And exactly in the way that those two things are related,
00:44:29.200
I think that there's a parallel between what happened in the European Parliament last weekend
00:44:36.640
and what is going to happen in America in November.
00:44:45.320
One of the things, you know, we're a show for the activists,
00:44:49.020
a show for people to actually use their agency and put it all on the line and actually fight this,
00:44:52.880
the driving force of the MAGA movement, the deplorables, America First, all of it.
00:44:57.300
But I tell people, as bad as it is here, and maybe the weaponization of the law has started to be a lot worse,
00:45:09.200
I mean, culturally, the populist right has been completely, I mean, you don't see them on TV.
00:45:15.160
I mean, it's literally every cultural institution.
00:45:18.460
I mean, Macron is the flower of that apparatus, and that apparatus puts the populist right,
00:45:27.680
the nationalist right, as essentially not neo-Nazis, but full Nazis.
00:45:32.360
I mean, so to overcome this and look like you get actually in dissolving parliament,
00:45:41.060
and Le Pen and these guys' Front National Rally and Bardella, her new guy,
00:45:46.180
and the alliances they're making could actually win is shocking.
00:45:49.720
But aren't their odds actually longer than our odds?
00:45:57.940
In just the sense that they have full and total control.
00:46:01.360
I mean, the French media, the French cultural institutions,
00:46:05.400
the way the government and the bureaucrats and the massive apparatus,
00:46:08.400
they perfected probably as well as MI5 and MI6, the deep state.
00:46:14.280
Now, they look like they haven't weaponized as they have against us legally,
00:46:19.180
But in France, when you're over there and you're with Le Pen and these other people,
00:46:25.020
they're the mainstream of a business, of all the major elite universities they've got.
00:46:31.460
They dismiss the populist nationalist right as essentially Nazis,
00:46:40.040
So you're basically saying, wasn't it more difficult to achieve this in continental Europe?
00:46:52.820
Particularly in France, I think even more than Italy,
00:46:57.500
but in France is such a shocker, much more than I think in England.
00:47:00.140
That's why I think what's happened in the last 72 hours has exploded.
00:47:05.460
You've seen these young people embracing Le Pen.
00:47:09.780
and I think the French establishment is in absolute shock,
00:47:15.100
but they don't verbalize it like Donny Deutsch and Nicole Wallace.
00:47:22.920
there are two factors here that I would pull up.
00:47:27.460
In one sense, yes, it is much more difficult in Europe
00:47:32.200
to have affected this revolution that we saw last weekend,
00:47:38.080
this manifestation of this undercurrent towards nationalism.
00:47:46.240
we don't have culturally the importance of personal freedom and liberty,
00:48:01.420
you're basically talking across the political spectrum
00:48:09.560
And that really goes against the Anglo-American DNA,
00:48:15.940
We don't like government telling us what to do.
00:49:15.900
That is basically in one of the two nationalist camps,