Bannon's War Room - April 11, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 744： Judge Boasberg’s ‘Coincidental’ Contempt Timeline Against Trump Admin


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

163.2393

Word Count

9,097

Sentence Count

640

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

A federal judge ruled that the government violated his order to turn over two deportation flights carrying illegal immigrants headed to a mega prison in El Paso, Texas, to be transferred to a facility in El Salvador. The government argues that the judge erred in his order and that he acted in bad faith.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 All right, we turn now to the Trump administration's standoff with a federal judge, U.S. District
00:00:21.120 Judge James Bosberg, now saying that the government appears to have acted in bad faith.
00:00:25.560 This comes after the hearing wrapped just moments ago to determine whether or not the government violated his court order to stop the deportation flights,
00:00:34.680 two of them, with alleged members of a gang to a mega prison in El Salvador.
00:00:40.860 President Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act last month.
00:00:43.920 It's a wartime authority used to deport non-citizens with little to no due process by arguing that the Venezuelan gang is a, quote,
00:00:51.220 hybrid criminal state that he says is invading the country.
00:00:54.820 Joining me for more is ABC News justice reporter Alex Mallon and ABC News senior Washington reporter Devin Dwyer.
00:01:00.000 Gentlemen, thank you for being with us.
00:01:01.380 And, Alex, the hearing just wrapped here.
00:01:02.720 What are your main takeaways?
00:01:05.160 I mean, it was really a fascinating hearing, Kena.
00:01:07.680 I mean, Judge Bosberg really laid it on the government.
00:01:10.660 And it really seemed like he's leaning towards initiating contempt proceedings.
00:01:14.880 Now, what that's going to look like, we don't know.
00:01:16.500 But he basically tried to drill down the timeline of the government.
00:01:20.020 And that March 15th, that Saturday hearing where he initiated this verbal order to the government to say,
00:01:25.520 if there are currently any planes in the air with migrants that are being deported under the Alien Enemies Act,
00:01:30.860 you need to turn those around.
00:01:32.040 The government has maintained both that they comply with a written order that was later issued by Judge Bosberg.
00:01:38.600 And also, they said that his jurisdiction was largely moot once the planes were out of international waters.
00:01:45.920 This hearing, though, Judge Bosberg said that the rushed process that the administration engaged in
00:01:51.260 to put those, you know, over 200 migrants on those planes and get them to that supermax prison in El Salvador
00:01:57.340 seemed to be deliberately and done in bad faith.
00:02:00.960 He said that it seemed to be designed to basically dodge any court order that he issued that day.
00:02:08.100 And so he said that at the conclusion of that hearing, that he was going to consider whether the administration,
00:02:13.540 there was a probable cause that they did violate his order deliberately.
00:02:18.900 He said he will be issuing some kind of written order on that sometime likely next week.
00:02:24.040 Okay, so, Devin, depending on what that written order says here,
00:02:26.780 if they do decide that they, you know, violated his orders, what's the consequence?
00:02:31.840 Well, the judge in this case, Kena, has limited options,
00:02:35.180 and judges in general don't like big divisive showdowns with the federal government, as we see here.
00:02:41.240 And that was every indication we received from Judge Bosberg today.
00:02:45.660 He was really using the levers of his ability to question the government, name, have them name names,
00:02:51.500 get down to the facts, scrutinize the truth.
00:02:54.180 But at the end of the day, judges have pretty limited tools at their disposal
00:02:59.400 when it comes to holding the government to account for an alleged violation of their order.
00:03:03.800 Sure, he could issue jail time.
00:03:05.800 He could issue fines for any officials involved in this who disobeyed him.
00:03:09.820 But judges typically don't want to do that when it involves an agency that those sorts of things
00:03:14.880 can also be challenged in court.
00:03:16.760 So, Bosberg is really limited, and it does appear, Kena, that he's simply trying to use the power of the bench
00:03:23.040 to extract more information more than anything else.
00:03:26.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:03:33.720 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:03:38.860 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:03:43.120 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:03:45.040 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:03:46.440 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:03:48.220 but you're not going to stop it.
00:03:49.160 It's going to happen.
00:03:50.200 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:03:53.740 Mega Media.
00:03:55.160 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:04:00.600 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:04:04.360 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:04:10.560 War Room.
00:04:11.560 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:04:13.940 It's Thursday, 10, April in the year of our Lord, 2025.
00:04:22.860 Thanks for being here for the fourth hour of the show,
00:04:26.240 the second hour of the late afternoon, early evening.
00:04:29.120 I want to say something.
00:04:30.140 I'm going to bring Julie Kelly in a second.
00:04:35.100 This audience and the changes that you've brought about in history,
00:04:38.840 in world history, President Trump would not be back here and is empowered.
00:04:42.440 If you had not put your shoulder to the wheel years and years ago to the
00:04:47.080 precinct strategy and getting involved and supporting President Trump and
00:04:50.580 going to rallies and all that and also supporting the institutions that came
00:04:54.720 up at the same time, basically, you know,
00:04:56.560 Center for Renewing America and the Heritage Project 2025 and Brooks
00:05:01.160 Rollins over there, America First Policy Institute, Stephen Miller at
00:05:03.960 America First Law Institute and Senator DeMint and Mark Meadows at CPI,
00:05:09.540 the Conservative Partnership Institute, all these coming together.
00:05:12.440 And the work that was done over the years, you are a, you know,
00:05:20.720 a cadre of at the tip of the tip of the spear of, quite frankly,
00:05:25.960 a revolutionary movement.
00:05:27.240 That movement is to bring America, return America to her greatness.
00:05:32.000 And if you see this whole thing, we're getting into with judges, this,
00:05:35.680 the five victories you had and the attention we're getting now in the legal
00:05:39.700 community, you see this on MSNBC and the New York Times every day, the furor,
00:05:44.540 the anger that they're coming up with every night that we're actually
00:05:48.820 questioning the judicial system about a judicial insurrection.
00:05:52.460 And you look around the world at how that's happening all the way from Israel to
00:05:56.380 Brazil, to France, to South Korea, and here in the United States, it's kind of
00:06:00.300 this, it's, it's all moving as a piece.
00:06:03.200 Also the people that, you know, this audience, this show attracts a certain
00:06:08.020 type of contributor that goes up to a certain type of information.
00:06:11.540 Julie Kelly's the perfect example.
00:06:13.280 Julie Kelly is not a lawyer.
00:06:15.120 Julie Kelly, Kelly was a concerned citizen and an activist that got involved in
00:06:19.100 going to courts on the J6, on everything related to J6.
00:06:22.340 And now she is kind of the ax in the space for all this.
00:06:26.000 The Mike Davises of the world, right?
00:06:28.100 The Todd Benzmans of the world, the Ben Burquams, the Oscar Blue Ramirez,
00:06:31.520 wherever there's a tough issue, you have these people that are contributors that
00:06:36.340 really get in and show the receipts and are not just sitting there to give you
00:06:39.380 commentary.
00:06:40.120 They're there to give you actually the facts of what's going on and you make up
00:06:42.920 your own mind.
00:06:43.640 And then people can get activated around that and actually make a change.
00:06:48.140 That's in the last hour.
00:06:49.240 So frustrated about this thing about the Southern border and the invasion.
00:06:53.760 It is so outrageous.
00:06:55.360 And it's such a scale.
00:06:56.780 We got to have responsibility.
00:06:58.360 You got to have accountability.
00:06:59.560 This is what Julie Kelly sees every day.
00:07:01.740 If you go to her sub stack or support her reporting.
00:07:04.200 Now she's onto a whole different thing.
00:07:06.180 President Trump and, and how the federal judiciary is actually an insurrection
00:07:11.220 right now.
00:07:12.040 Now, because of you guys getting up and getting on article three and going,
00:07:16.500 and now Mike Davis has got you tasked for two things.
00:07:18.680 Number one, take the $2 billion that they're forcing the president to pay the
00:07:22.800 consultants for this, you know, for the work in foreign policy for USID.
00:07:27.200 Get your congressman and say, hey, we're taking in the appropriations.
00:07:29.940 We're taking it right out of the federal $10 billion that goes to federal judges.
00:07:33.540 The other is impeach Boesburg, right?
00:07:36.200 This is all of a piece.
00:07:37.700 And Julie Kelly's here and there's still so much stuff she can't even cover right
00:07:43.040 now.
00:07:43.700 How are they coming after President Trump that she's focused on a couple?
00:07:47.100 One of the most important is this contempt trap.
00:07:50.960 She's that, that she's very focused on the track.
00:07:53.460 Again, remember Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon went to prison on contempt.
00:08:00.560 This is one of the ways they try to go out about and get it.
00:08:02.640 They try to sit there and they try to lay out the fact that if you're, if you're going
00:08:06.080 to support a certain thing, they're going to lay it out to make it impossible for you
00:08:09.420 to do unless you go to, unless they try to get you in a criminal charge and go to prison.
00:08:14.700 I happen to believe that you're seeing Boesburg, who I think is totally evil and obviously a
00:08:20.100 Trump hater and a MAGA hater, try to do on this.
00:08:23.500 Julie, I realize you've got a lot to go through tonight.
00:08:25.700 I do want to start with the Boesburg stuff.
00:08:27.400 I mean, in fact, we pulled different clips to kind of kick it off.
00:08:30.080 I thought that was great because there are actually people out there that kind of agree
00:08:33.360 with you that are not on our side of the football.
00:08:35.680 Can you give us the latest?
00:08:36.860 I know you're going through a very detailed timeline for your sub stack.
00:08:40.160 What's up with Boesburg?
00:08:41.480 And because Boesburg is the guy as the head judge of the, of the first level of courts there,
00:08:47.440 the district courts, he's got a target on Trump.
00:08:50.340 He is coming for president Trump of that.
00:08:52.880 There's no doubt he's coming for Trump and you've actually exposed how he's trying to
00:08:57.600 do it.
00:08:57.920 So take it away, ma'am.
00:08:58.800 So what I just posted, and this is a very detailed timeline of what went down on March
00:09:05.840 15th and how Jeb Boesburg not only just decided to pursue a contempt case against the Trump
00:09:14.060 administration, but he actually set it up starting in the early morning hours of March
00:09:20.760 15th when that ACLU lawsuit was filed representing the illegal Venezuelans who are going to be
00:09:28.060 covered by the Alien Enemies Act.
00:09:31.240 And I go through all of Boesburg's movements and decisions that day, comments that he made
00:09:37.220 during that hearing, comments he made afterwards to tip his hand that this was specifically,
00:09:44.920 it appears, taken by him as the chief judge, not assigned to him, that he took this case
00:09:51.800 early that morning, continued to make these decisions and lure Trump officials into a contempt
00:10:00.200 trap.
00:10:01.060 Now, what does that address?
00:10:03.020 What you just played in the cold open, this so-called oral ruling, he calls it, to turn
00:10:10.660 planes around, knowing that when he set this hearing at five o'clock on March 15th, he already
00:10:17.520 knew that two planes carrying these illegal Venezuelans would be taking off during the hearing.
00:10:26.200 So he set the hearing time specifically to coincide with the departure of these two deportations
00:10:33.000 planes.
00:10:33.500 He then called a brief recess in the hearing, directing the DOJ attorney to go try to find
00:10:41.720 out details about these flights, which of course the DOJ attorney couldn't do because it was
00:10:46.540 a Saturday night.
00:10:48.120 Boesburg knew that.
00:10:49.920 When the poor DOJ attorney comes back at about six o'clock, says, I have no details, Boesburg
00:10:55.780 and the ACLU knew these flights had taken off.
00:11:01.080 He then enters what he called this oral ruling at about 645.
00:11:06.320 The planes had already been long gone over an hour out of U.S. airspace.
00:11:11.000 They took off from southern Texas to Central America, ordered those flights back.
00:11:16.420 Now, what's interesting, Steve, is what he said verbally.
00:11:19.440 He did not include in a written temporary restraining order that he filed about 40 minutes
00:11:26.220 later.
00:11:27.160 But now this verbal ruling is the basis of this contempt investigation.
00:11:32.560 We're expecting this opinion to be issued tomorrow in what he has called probable cause
00:11:38.660 for contempt.
00:11:41.160 Accused the Trump administration last week of acting in bad faith and disobeying at least
00:11:47.940 this order.
00:11:48.720 Now, his other two written orders, of course, have been vacated by the Supreme Court, so
00:11:52.940 they're not even active anymore.
00:11:54.780 So any contempt investigation inquiry that he wants to proceed with will have to be based
00:11:59.960 on this verbal ruling.
00:12:02.480 So, so sketchy.
00:12:04.080 And so my new piece really articulates almost hour by hour what happened that day as he created
00:12:11.740 that contempt trap for the Trump administration.
00:12:15.020 Okay, okay, help me out here.
00:12:18.880 And this is in the previous hour, folks.
00:12:21.140 I'm not, I'm not saying things against the Trump administration.
00:12:27.920 You got to remember, every department of those, like Fort Apache, you have the administrative
00:12:32.120 state that still has 90 percent of the bodies.
00:12:34.840 You're, you're, you're like in Saigon in 1967, you're trying to manage something that
00:12:40.900 the enemy's inside the wire constantly.
00:12:44.080 People, they're understaffed, right?
00:12:46.260 There are not enough people gotten through there and confirmations and all of it.
00:12:49.300 They're overwhelmed in everything they're trying to do.
00:12:51.220 If you talk to these people after hours and some of the relationships, and that's back
00:12:54.540 to the thing I was saying at the beginning of this.
00:12:56.700 Think how many people we've had on this show, either as contributors or guests all the time
00:13:00.320 or co-hosts that are now in the administration and more of the, more of the contributors,
00:13:04.340 I think you will see the Julie Kellys and the Mike Davises and the EJ Antonis and the Todd
00:13:09.020 Benzmans.
00:13:09.560 There'll be a whole nother second wave.
00:13:10.860 I'm not saying those specific people, there's going to be a whole nother second wave that
00:13:14.740 go in there because these people are fighters and subject matter experts and they won't back
00:13:18.960 down.
00:13:19.280 They have the courage.
00:13:20.740 But here's what concerns me.
00:13:22.420 When I read your thing and I see it, shouldn't the Justice Department lawyer that's actually
00:13:28.220 representing the government and President Trump and DOJ and the people that were involved
00:13:35.640 in DHS, shouldn't they have known?
00:13:38.680 When you lay it out, it's pretty obvious what was going on.
00:13:41.720 Why wouldn't a skilled lawyer have seen this and start combating that in the courtroom and
00:13:46.680 try to shut down or at least expose it and say, hey, judge, I know what you're trying
00:13:49.920 to do here and we're not going to play games.
00:13:51.620 We're not playing this game.
00:13:52.740 We're not going to be party to this, ma'am.
00:13:54.740 Well, I think this was part of how everything and Judge Jeb Bosberg, as I say in my piece,
00:14:00.960 he admitted everyone's working on the fly here.
00:14:04.420 He said, I haven't had any time to research this.
00:14:07.920 He verbalized many times how quickly he was rushing.
00:14:10.680 He said at one point in a later hearing, this was out of the norm.
00:14:15.160 This was not the common way that lawsuits like this were handled.
00:14:19.480 So they rushed this on purpose to put this DOJ attorney dragged into this on a Saturday,
00:14:28.100 had no idea that this was coming.
00:14:30.820 So that's how they really caught this guy off guard.
00:14:35.100 And then knowing it was a Saturday evening on March 15th and that he wouldn't be able
00:14:40.720 to get in contact with the right people and give Judge Bosberg more details.
00:14:45.820 Now, I will say, Drew Ensign, who is the attorney, DOJ attorney, I think he did what he could
00:14:51.460 in this particular hearing on March 15th.
00:14:53.920 I was not impressed with his subsequent performances, especially on April 3rd, when he started voluntarily
00:15:00.600 giving up names of Trump officials he talked to after that hearing who might have been listening
00:15:06.000 in to the March 15th hearing.
00:15:07.700 But in his defense, when you used to cover J6, and I know this from my own trial, you would
00:15:21.020 have the most senior guy show up in the department.
00:15:22.980 I mean, they had, they were, people were like in shock for a misdemeanor.
00:15:26.080 They were bringing the heavy artillery out when they had me.
00:15:29.400 And I understood it.
00:15:30.940 Hey, if we can get banned and we're going to send a message to all these people, right,
00:15:34.060 on a misdemeanor and send him to a federal prison, we'll do it with the same with Peter.
00:15:39.020 Right.
00:15:39.960 The second or third time the guy goes in court, he's one guy.
00:15:43.940 I mean, I understand they are strapped over there, but wouldn't this rise to say, hey,
00:15:48.620 look, this is, they're trying to get us on a criminal contempt charge and they're going
00:15:53.460 to try to throw some DHS people, maybe some military people, and they're going to go all
00:15:58.320 the way up and try to do something with Trump.
00:15:59.840 Now, wouldn't that, wouldn't you have like this three or four scenes, shouldn't Pam have
00:16:04.460 like maybe showed up that day symbolically, like, like, like the old, like the Biden Justice
00:16:10.460 Department used to do all the time to send Lisa Monaco and those people to send, to send
00:16:15.940 their, their highest and their most seasoned prosecutors in for misdemeanor hearings, ma'am?
00:16:22.080 Well, I think what happened that evening and when Bosberg made that ludicrous statement about
00:16:28.460 turning planes around, first of all, I don't think the DOJ attorney thought that that was
00:16:33.240 really serious.
00:16:34.020 But Judge Bosberg also said, I'm going to put this in a written order and you got, he
00:16:40.100 actually said, no one has to write anything down.
00:16:42.320 I'm going to put this in a written order.
00:16:44.260 So then when he filed his written minute order at about 726 that evening, he did not include
00:16:51.100 his comments about returning the planes.
00:16:55.560 So at that point, I'm sure the DOJ thought that that verbal command was not in play because
00:17:02.660 it wasn't reflected in the written one.
00:17:05.280 And then that became an argument later.
00:17:07.860 And there's case law and common practice that says verbal, it has to be a written order,
00:17:12.040 has to be on the docket.
00:17:13.280 Like the other two temporary restraining orders issued that day were on the docket written
00:17:16.980 and the verbal one was not.
00:17:18.800 So that's been an ongoing dispute.
00:17:22.760 But what I didn't like was give a coffin up names when the judge goes, who, well, I
00:17:27.180 can't really know.
00:17:27.900 I don't, I don't remember it.
00:17:28.880 No, tell me who.
00:17:30.140 And you're coughing up names.
00:17:31.460 That to me should just tell the judge, hey, we'll get back to you.
00:17:34.440 And then you, then you stonewall it or you, you drag it out.
00:17:37.840 You play hardball.
00:17:38.580 That's when you know the judge has got the fix in for you.
00:17:42.020 This thing stinks to high heaven.
00:17:43.420 And my concern is this going to metastasize because MSNBC is driving this every night.
00:17:49.640 This is like the one they, they, they fantasize about because they see Trump going to Danbury
00:17:54.340 on a contempt charge.
00:17:55.800 Trust me, these people are so deranged on Trump hatred.
00:17:58.580 They're twisted.
00:17:59.880 And Bosberg's one of them.
00:18:00.940 And this also makes, which I think is Mike Davis's impeachment thing is absolutely justified
00:18:05.720 because of what's happening here.
00:18:08.040 Where do we stand?
00:18:08.700 I thought paper's supposed to be followed.
00:18:10.040 Is this thing actually going to move forward?
00:18:11.660 Or since he was kind of overruled about the main event, doesn't it, well, shouldn't it
00:18:16.520 just go away?
00:18:18.760 No, what he did, Bosberg did very brazenly after the Supreme Court ruling came down Monday
00:18:25.380 night, Tuesday morning, he canceled a hearing that was set for that day.
00:18:29.440 So this is April 8th on a preliminary injunction.
00:18:33.060 So this is the natural next step after a temporary restraining order.
00:18:36.480 So he was going to hold a hearing.
00:18:38.460 He canceled it.
00:18:40.040 But what he's told the ACLU representing these illegal Venezuelans is, hey, by April 16th,
00:18:46.400 I want you to file another memo or notice as to why you think that this courtroom is still
00:18:52.480 the proper venue to seek a preliminary injunction.
00:18:55.680 Well, how ballsy is that?
00:18:56.960 I mean, the Supreme Court had already said in its opinion that the Washington jurisdiction
00:19:03.220 was improper, that you should seek habeas, and it should be in the jurisdiction where
00:19:09.400 the defendant is in custody.
00:19:11.760 And in this case would have been Southern Texas, at least at that point.
00:19:15.060 So he's still challenging now, not just the Trump administration, but now the Supreme Court.
00:19:21.100 So we'll see next week what the ACLU comes back with.
00:19:25.140 Now, can he proceed with preliminary injunction hearings?
00:19:29.480 I mean, I suppose so.
00:19:31.620 He'll probably be smacked down by the Supreme Court again.
00:19:35.320 But he is not done pushing the envelope on this.
00:19:39.040 He took this on as a crusade.
00:19:41.160 Look, this is the guy who has called January 6th an insurrection.
00:19:44.440 He said this over and over in J6 cases, that that was an insurrection incited by President
00:19:50.780 Trump.
00:19:51.700 So this is a longtime grudge that that Jeb Bosberg has had.
00:19:56.200 And so this is why he's going to keep pushing this as long as he possibly can.
00:20:00.620 If, just to make sure I understand, if ACLU decides they're not going to file, I know
00:20:08.060 they are because they're going to try to get this, figure out this Texas thing.
00:20:11.600 Is the contempt thing still a thing?
00:20:13.480 Is he still going to push that separate and above everything else?
00:20:16.260 Or because the Supreme Court ruled it, that just dies and President Trump and his team
00:20:20.780 are off the hook?
00:20:22.880 No, I think he will definitely pursue the contempt case.
00:20:26.820 Now, the ACLU, I believe in the five original plaintiffs, they've already sought habeas
00:20:32.460 in, I believe, New York and Texas.
00:20:34.920 So I'm not really sure what the ACLU will do with a preliminary injunction, except for
00:20:39.640 the fact that Judge Bosberg turned those five unnamed illegals into a class action, into
00:20:46.680 a class.
00:20:47.580 So he did that in one of the temporary restraining orders that has been overturned.
00:20:52.420 But this demonstrates how messy all of this is.
00:20:55.240 He still believes or wants to believe that there's a thread he can hang on to, to keep
00:21:00.660 this matter in his courtroom.
00:21:01.920 But that's separate from what would be a contempt inquiry or contempt allegations related to the
00:21:08.820 verbal order that was not on the docket and not reversed by the Supreme Court, because it
00:21:13.980 wasn't even, wasn't even an issue or a question in that litigation.
00:21:19.000 Um, but we will know tomorrow because he said last week that he would issue his opinion on
00:21:25.380 contempt this week.
00:21:26.300 So I'm sure we will have it at some point tomorrow.
00:21:29.420 Okay.
00:21:31.180 Uh, we've got five wins at the Supreme Court.
00:21:34.400 Um, the, the court never wanted to get involved in the steal of 2020.
00:21:38.180 They only got involved years later, I think on, uh, on Fisher and J6.
00:21:44.360 Why is it pressure that's been put on them?
00:21:46.660 Why are they, why are they now responding?
00:21:48.340 Looks like they're in some of this to tamp down, at least to tamp down somewhat.
00:21:52.440 Do the judicial insurrection is going on against President Trump and his policies right now,
00:21:56.640 ma'am?
00:21:56.820 Um, well, to your point, they have, they've made a few decisions, put a hold on some lower
00:22:02.300 court decisions, obviously here, vacated the temporary restraining order.
00:22:06.620 So I think they're just slowly bit by bit kind of, um, you know, take disassembling little
00:22:13.700 parts of this law fair.
00:22:15.820 Is it late in the game?
00:22:17.660 Yes, because so much damage has already been done.
00:22:20.200 And to your point, distracting the Department of Justice and the president and the entire Trump
00:22:24.840 administration, sabotaging the agenda, um, of the president and his white house team,
00:22:31.420 because this is all anyone has really been talking about is what's happening in these various
00:22:37.160 lawsuits and taking away resources in time that I know the DOJ wants to use in other areas,
00:22:44.260 including investigations and prosecutions of what we would like to see.
00:22:49.240 They have been completely stretched then they've had to depend on career prosecutors like they
00:22:54.260 had in this case, a career immigration lawyer and keep it also of interest.
00:23:00.180 Two of the immigration lawyers who were involved in the Bosburg case were also in the Maryland
00:23:05.860 father, uh, uh, Rego Garcia, I think is his last name.
00:23:10.040 The, the, uh, El Salvadoran who was removed, a suspected MS-13 member, and then deported to
00:23:18.040 El Salvador, um, two of the lawyers in that case were, uh, removed by the Department of Justice for
00:23:26.160 saying that they were not arguing on behalf of the government and the administration.
00:23:31.500 Two of those lawyers also involved in this Bosburg case.
00:23:35.880 So this is what Pam Bondi and her team are, are up against.
00:23:41.480 This is a formidable challenge and in some ways they're flying blind because you have to rely
00:23:47.240 on career lawyers who have been there that you trust will do their job and you have them in some
00:23:53.180 cases openly sabotaging them.
00:23:55.060 Like we saw in, uh, Eric Adams prosecution, prosecutors coming out, denouncing their bosses at the DOJ for
00:24:01.800 trying to drop that indictment.
00:24:03.900 And then you've got to see their, they're really bad at their jobs or they are also working to
00:24:10.100 undermine, uh, the will of Trump's Department of Justice and the president in the process.
00:24:17.700 Now, what is the situation regarding Jensen?
00:24:22.020 Right.
00:24:22.760 So this is a controversy this week, uh, news that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have moved Steve Jensen,
00:24:29.480 who was head of, I think the Columbia, South Carolina, or a few field offices in that area,
00:24:34.980 moved him to the Washington field office.
00:24:38.500 So you had Tom Fenton on the other day discussing this.
00:24:42.060 This has led to, I think, understandable.
00:24:45.880 Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom Fenton and the guys were all worked up about this.
00:24:50.120 What's your take on it?
00:24:51.600 So Jensen, there's no question his hands are dirty when it comes to January 6th.
00:24:56.280 He was head of FBI domestic terrorism unit, um, and held calls and apparently was promoting
00:25:03.800 the prosecution of J6ers because the FBI, Chris Wray, had designated January 6th an act
00:25:09.740 of domestic terror.
00:25:11.580 Um, so certainly understandable that people would be outraged and questioning this move.
00:25:17.240 However, you have to have people with their hands dirty to show you where the dirt is.
00:25:23.800 And it's not, certainly not, uh, questionable or out of the ordinary when you're trying to
00:25:31.380 get information to have people who might have that information show you access to it.
00:25:37.200 It's not like Chris Wray put all of the evidence to all of the unanswered questions that we
00:25:43.740 need in neat little piles on Kash Patel's desk, right?
00:25:47.240 That did, that didn't happen.
00:25:49.040 You saw what Tulsi Gabbard said last night on Fox News.
00:25:52.400 As far as the intelligence community, they've buried stuff everywhere.
00:25:57.160 And she said, the more we dig, the more we find.
00:25:59.700 But they've set up, and we know this, barriers to access that.
00:26:04.600 So do you have someone like a Steve Jensen?
00:26:07.220 And I could be totally wrong, and I gladly take a backseat to Tom Fitton, my friend Miranda
00:26:11.860 Devine, who we were with last week, who also has a column up criticizing the Jensen move.
00:26:17.360 I take a backseat respectfully and gladly to both of them.
00:26:22.100 I'm just saying that I trust Cash and Dan.
00:26:25.060 I believe that there's a reason why they kept Jensen, who is in daily communication with
00:26:30.260 Chris Wray, with Stephen D'Antuano, who was the former head of the Washington field office.
00:26:35.560 That's where everything is buried, at that field office.
00:26:39.120 Also, Tim Tebow, the dirty, former, corrupt, disgraced FBI agent.
00:26:45.520 So he was in communication with all of them.
00:26:48.140 So could he have valuable information that they need to lead them where they need to go?
00:26:52.760 Probably.
00:26:55.580 I don't think this is a reward for what he did for January 6th, but I think this is how
00:27:01.600 sometimes these things go.
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00:27:06.080 I'm going to hold you through the break.
00:27:07.160 I want to get to the bottom of all of this.
00:27:08.780 Very controversial.
00:27:10.920 Short break.
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00:31:33.400 Julie, this gets back to this issue we were talking about in an understaffed administration that's under siege because they're coming at them from every different way, folks.
00:31:45.080 It's actually more intense, I think, than the first time because President Trump's actually getting more – he's coming up with a plan, bang, bang, bang, and they're trying to chop block him at every step.
00:31:54.920 But is the controversy about Jensen the fact of why don't you just get rid of these guys, the – I guess cash of the people, FBI and just want to get rid of them because they had past bad actors.
00:32:07.480 But you, Fenton, and Miranda are arguing – you're arguing, hey, he may have relevant information, and that information may make things quicker.
00:32:16.820 They're arguing he's a bad guy because he worked for these guys, and where do we come out on this?
00:32:23.440 Is it more that we've got to get investigations done and people like this help us, or that if they had anything to do with January 6th and other things like that, they should just be gotten rid of and maybe charged themselves?
00:32:36.020 Well, and I want to just reiterate, Steve Jensen's hands are dirty January 6th.
00:32:41.440 Yes, there's, in some cases, in some ways, dirtier than others because he did take a lead role.
00:32:47.000 So I'm not diminishing that.
00:32:48.760 I'm not excusing it.
00:32:50.300 I'm not justifying it.
00:32:51.920 But when you're looking for people who know where the dead bodies are buried, who knows where this information could be housed, who can explain how everything went down and who was really responsible for it, you have to have those inside sources to do that.
00:33:08.220 And so, look, I was defund the FBI, you know, burned down the building.
00:33:14.860 I mean, I don't think I said that, so I don't want to be in trouble for that.
00:33:17.780 But that was when the Democrats were running it.
00:33:20.320 So, OK, now we can shut down the FBI.
00:33:24.180 Sounds like a swell idea.
00:33:26.320 OK, I'm sure we can survive without it.
00:33:28.920 But with it goes all the answers to the questions that we have.
00:33:32.160 How many FBI informants and undercover employees and other assets were involved in January 6th stoking the events of that day?
00:33:40.220 You saw Joe Kent so admirably talk to Mark, Senator Mark Kelly about that yesterday and saying that the intelligence community is looking into that.
00:33:51.080 Where is the pipe bomber?
00:33:52.580 What happened to that?
00:33:53.620 How, after more than four years, did that remain unsolved?
00:33:57.120 So many questions that we still don't have answers to.
00:34:03.300 Were there members of Congress who were involved in the plotting and planning of January 6th?
00:34:09.180 There certainly is evidence to point to that.
00:34:12.200 So, again, Chris Ray didn't leave all of this information and evidence and material and records on Kash Patel's desk.
00:34:18.960 To the contrary, it is hidden who knows behind how many locks.
00:34:22.920 And this is what Tulsi Gabbard, again, was referring to in her interview last night.
00:34:28.540 So, with great respect to Tom.
00:34:31.100 Yeah.
00:34:33.640 No, Tom and Miranda are fantastic.
00:34:36.640 And Miranda was with us at the Justice Department last week.
00:34:39.080 Yeah.
00:34:39.380 Let me ask, does the president signing the executive order on Krebs last night to essentially put forward an investigation of the machines in the 2020 election?
00:34:49.500 Is that the first one that we've seen that let's get down to it?
00:34:53.100 Because I've always said the railhead of all this gets back to 2020, you know, the election in 2020.
00:34:58.780 We can go back to pandemic and there's plenty to do there.
00:35:01.180 But if we start the election in 2020, that would be a good place to start and then go right through January 6th.
00:35:06.680 Do you think he's signing the executive order on Krebs is at least the first thing of movement we've seen with the president saying, let's get on with this?
00:35:14.500 And I need to see some movement here, some action.
00:35:17.280 I believe so.
00:35:20.040 And I think that was such a bold move.
00:35:21.980 And you saw the reaction, even from Chris Krebs.
00:35:25.260 And, Steve, I pulled up Chris Krebs' January 6th select committee, and I'm sorry to laugh.
00:35:31.340 He is a clown.
00:35:32.720 And I'm going to be posting some of the things that he said in this interview, including that the Iranians were working with the Proud Boys in October of 2020 to send out emails to people who are registered Democrats.
00:35:46.900 And threatening them if they voted Democrat.
00:35:50.200 This is the most far-fetched thing I've seen.
00:35:54.320 And I have to laugh because, of course, I know who the Proud Boys are.
00:35:57.660 I covered parts of their trial.
00:35:59.800 It's preposterous to think that what Enrique Tarrio was working with the Iranian regime to send out emails to Democrats in Florida.
00:36:08.660 This guy is a total joke.
00:36:12.120 And so I'm going to be posting parts of that transcript later tonight.
00:36:15.880 But I do think that this is another signal from the president and his team that they are going to, and, of course, he said this, look at the 2020 election, what happened there, but more importantly, who covered up all of the fraud that we know happened and whitewashed it away and would not take responsibility for looking into what we know was decisive voting fraud in that election.
00:36:45.680 So I think Chris Krebs is a very, is an ideal person to launch this investigation about.
00:36:55.680 All right.
00:36:56.880 Yeah, I think it was smart.
00:36:58.340 Julie Kelly, where did people get to your Substack?
00:37:00.480 Where did you get all of your reporting?
00:37:02.740 Everything that you're doing right now?
00:37:04.720 Now more than ever.
00:37:05.640 So Substack is declassified with Julie Kelly, and then my ex-account, Julie underscore Kelly, too.
00:37:13.560 And I will be watching the docket all day tomorrow to see what Jeb Bosberg posts related to his contempt opinion.
00:37:21.000 And I will be posting that as soon as it hits the docket.
00:37:24.480 And we will be with Julie Kelly and giving her a platform so she can talk to the nation and the world.
00:37:34.620 Thank you, man.
00:37:35.080 Appreciate you.
00:37:36.420 Thanks, Steve.
00:37:37.060 I want to have Forrest Cho here because I'm not quite sure that people still maybe get to the depth of where we are right now with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:37:51.800 Forrest, thank you for joining us.
00:37:53.020 And you and I swapped some text messages earlier because I kind of know and I really like your perspective and what you're doing over the new federal state.
00:38:02.160 The daily news briefings you put up, I think, are just spectacular.
00:38:05.300 Just walk the American people through.
00:38:07.180 This is not about tariffs and it's not about trade.
00:38:09.920 Do you agree with this?
00:38:10.760 This is a much, much deeper, deeper and I think a chasm that's unbridgeable between the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America and the Chinese Communist Party, Forrest, sir.
00:38:26.400 Absolutely.
00:38:28.140 This is definitely a war between the good and evil.
00:38:32.760 And first of all, I would like to see this probably is the greatest movement that led by the President Trump to anti-Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:42.540 I really applaud the move that President Trump just made.
00:38:48.740 I think the key here is to counter Chinese Communist Party is we need to find out who is our real enemy.
00:38:56.460 Of course, that's Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:58.680 The other countries might be it's our competitors.
00:39:01.660 We need to talk with them.
00:39:03.000 We need to negotiate with them and to ally with them to counter and isolate the Chinese Communist Party.
00:39:10.220 And the Chinese Communist Party is the real enemy.
00:39:13.600 And this war, this unrestricted war or this war between the American and the Chinese Communist Party is not about a tariff.
00:39:24.560 It's not about fairness.
00:39:26.080 It's about life and death.
00:39:28.560 So that's how important it is.
00:39:30.240 I would like our audience to understand this.
00:39:33.920 So I think what I just said, the President Trump tried to ally with the European country and also probably market-driven countries in Asia, like Japan, like Taiwan, like Vietnam, to work with Americans to counter Chinese Communist Party.
00:39:53.380 Of course, the Chinese Communist Party has their weakness, which we can talk about here.
00:39:59.640 Their biggest weakness is their state-owned enterprises.
00:40:05.640 The state-owned enterprises contribute like a significant part of the Chinese Communist Party's GDP.
00:40:13.820 They are the weakest point.
00:40:14.980 I can give you some numbers.
00:40:16.980 I can give you some numbers.
00:40:17.700 Back in 2019, almost 30 percent of the GDP is contributed by those SOEs.
00:40:25.620 After the pandemic, this number rose to more than 40, even 50 percent.
00:40:30.180 That tells you how much economy is relying on those state-owned enterprises.
00:40:37.860 But those state-owned enterprises, they are heavily relying on the monetary policy, meaning if there is any fluctuation in the currency, they will have trouble.
00:40:49.200 Because all their employees is relying on their wages, if there is any fluctuation in the currency, or if the RMB devalues, then it will impact their purchasing power.
00:41:04.940 It will impact their operation.
00:41:08.640 So we all know CCP manipulates their currency.
00:41:13.600 They have a dual system, which has an onshore and offshore currency.
00:41:20.020 That's where they manipulate the currency with U.S.
00:41:26.580 They have done internal studies.
00:41:30.080 If that value gap is more than 35 percent, then CCP is over.
00:41:35.040 With the current tariff, basically, we reduce their dollar income rapidly.
00:41:46.580 So I don't think the Chinese Communist Party will survive.
00:41:50.600 This is the key.
00:41:51.460 So if their SOE has trouble, then it will start the social unrest and also the people.
00:42:01.300 And also, one more thing is they have done studies.
00:42:05.880 More than 80 percent of the Chinese people, even a high percentage of the officials, CCP officials, actually, they believe in the U.S.
00:42:15.180 They actually have a – they admire the U.S. system.
00:42:19.000 They basically have American dream.
00:42:21.460 So if this decoupling happens, if there is devaluation of the Chinese yen, then they will have internal change, which will undermine or dismantle the Chinese Communist Party.
00:42:38.820 They're a group of gangsters.
00:42:40.580 The SOEs, people should understand, the state-owned industries was one of the major points of contention in the Lighthizer 2019 deal.
00:42:48.760 The reason Wang Shishan told Xi – I don't know what Li Hu did, but we basically put massive restrictions on state-owned industries.
00:42:58.820 They couldn't be used as money laundering operation because this is where a major way the Chinese Communist Party leadership cadre is skimming money from the Chinese people, from La Beijing, and investing it in American real estate.
00:43:09.900 Here's the system.
00:43:10.900 All of their children, the princelings, virtually anyone that's just not too lazy and wants to party all the time in Beijing, but the ones that have any get-up-and-go all go to American universities.
00:43:21.000 They're all at Harvard.
00:43:21.840 Their goal is to get their kids Western educated and to get their money they steal from Lao Beijing and not put it in real estate in Shanghai.
00:43:30.040 They're buying Midtown Manhattan.
00:43:33.100 That's part of the scam is that – it's not just the farmland that the CCP is buying formally.
00:43:39.340 Hey, the five factions that run the country aren't buying farmland around military bases.
00:43:45.100 They're buying premier real estate in Midtown Manhattan and sending their kids to Harvard, OK?
00:43:50.560 They understand how corrupt their system is.
00:43:53.340 They're just like a group of gangsters that are running a con and are not going to come down.
00:43:58.380 This is my point.
00:43:59.740 We're not dealing with politicians – as bad as politicians are and as incompetent and as vain and as the swamp.
00:44:08.880 This is different.
00:44:10.060 This is a set of – this is like the Bolsheviks and this is like the group around Hitler and the Nazis.
00:44:14.780 These are basically criminal organizations that come to power and they come to power basically by a barrel of a gun or violence, OK?
00:44:23.700 And they're not just going to give it up.
00:44:25.780 Number one, they understand what the Chinese people will do to them if they just give – if all the stealing and the murder and the forced abortions, everything that they visited on these people, the paybacks are going to be unbelievable.
00:44:37.620 So they're just not going to sit there and go – that's why this is so much deeper than just a trade deal.
00:44:42.740 It's so much deeper than tariffs.
00:44:44.760 This cuts to the heart of two different systems and a system that has been propped up and basically financed off of the money of the American working people and middle class that now are at a time of testing.
00:44:57.120 We've got to go, but your daily news site is fantastic.
00:45:01.260 I try to re-put these things up on Getter.
00:45:03.300 Right now, what is the one thing as this thing evolves every day that you would tell our audience to be looking out for, Forrest?
00:45:11.720 Looking out for the – I think the coupling and also the action that this administration needs to do because I believe this administration needed to start the investigation.
00:45:22.780 As your previous guest just mentioned, we need to launch the investigation about the COVID-19 virus origin.
00:45:31.520 We have to, you know, hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable and also the media who help them to cover up the origin of the COVID-19, right?
00:45:41.240 Right now, they are helping the Chinese Communist Party to spread all this tariff things with hurting Americans.
00:45:48.260 But we have to hold them accountable for covering up the COVID-19 virus thing.
00:45:53.900 Of course, there is more things.
00:45:55.480 We have to launch the investigation regarding legal warfare.
00:46:00.700 I'd love the COVID-19.
00:46:04.100 Forrest, what's your social media?
00:46:05.460 Where do people get you and get new federal state of China?
00:46:08.360 Yeah, they can find us on Getter.
00:46:10.000 We have NFSC Speaks and we have NFSC TV.
00:46:14.000 You can also find us on XNFSC Speaks.
00:46:16.920 Thank you, Steve.
00:46:18.260 Thank you, brother.
00:46:20.660 Appreciate you.
00:46:22.260 Thank you.
00:46:22.800 Talk about investigations.
00:46:24.140 Mike Lindell is with us.
00:46:26.220 Lindell, this has got to be a red-letter day.
00:46:29.240 Krebs is being investigated.
00:46:30.920 And Tulsi Gabbard, didn't she come out and say that, hey, DNI is finding out where machines were tampered with?
00:46:38.360 Is this – am I hearing this is true?
00:46:40.640 Remember, I'm not a machine guy, but I think I'm going to be proven wrong, sir.
00:46:45.240 Yeah, you're going to be proven wrong, Steve.
00:46:47.780 You know, everybody, if you look at the deviations in behavior by uniparty Republicans and people like Chris Krebs, when you look back when Chris Krebs said this is the most secure election ever, you knew that was a lie.
00:47:02.240 And all this is going to unfold and be uncovered, and it's a day of vindication.
00:47:07.460 You have gamblers coming out and saying all that, that the machines, that they're vulnerable and that they – now they haven't come completely out and said, hey, this was hacked.
00:47:17.660 But the investigations that we have going forward and that this administration is going to be doing, it's going to be awesome, Steve.
00:47:25.520 You will be – we will be melting down these machines and turning them into prison bars hopefully this year.
00:47:34.020 So what is the – the investigation of Krebs, is that what's kicking this off?
00:47:38.280 Is Tulsi's coming from a different internal investigation she's doing over at DNI with the different intelligence services and really the guys that look at platforms?
00:47:46.480 I think they're both coming from different directions.
00:47:49.840 I think the executive order with Krebs, you know, one coming in from, I think, the president and that team.
00:47:57.360 And then you have – I think they're definitely from both two different directions.
00:48:01.740 And you're going to see more of that, too.
00:48:03.440 You're going to see all different directions.
00:48:05.500 There's only one truth here, Steve.
00:48:07.300 And the truth is the 2020 election was stalled and there were computers used in it.
00:48:12.760 And there's a reason 132 countries – there's a reason 132 countries have banned electronic voting machines.
00:48:20.760 The United States has to secure our elections.
00:48:23.500 That should be number one on our list whether – no matter what it is, we want the most secure elections in the world.
00:48:30.840 And we have – right now we have the worst.
00:48:32.300 Mike, I just lost you right there.
00:48:43.540 I'll tell you what.
00:48:44.260 Why don't you take his time and sell us a pillow, sir?
00:48:48.420 Okay.
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00:48:56.920 Is your voice okay?
00:48:57.960 Because I know you went out for surgery.
00:48:59.480 We've been doing a tape of you.
00:49:01.280 Are you doing okay?
00:49:02.500 Because it doesn't sound great.
00:49:03.580 You're doing okay?
00:49:04.200 Yeah.
00:49:04.400 No, today's the first day the doctor said I can use it.
00:49:07.220 But you guys are just going to come back stronger than ever.
00:49:09.620 This is about the eight surgery I've had over the past five, six years.
00:49:14.360 But this is the last one.
00:49:16.180 And my voice is going to be – they say it could be the next Johnny Cash, Steve.
00:49:20.800 No, they didn't say that.
00:49:23.120 But they – but no, you guys, I'm –
00:49:25.460 Pop Roddy.
00:49:27.660 Yeah, yeah.
00:49:28.400 But they – but no, the voice is coming back.
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00:50:43.000 What?
00:50:44.840 Brother, thank you so much.
00:50:46.140 I want that voice to get better.
00:50:47.560 Mike Lindell, Steve Marr-Borner.
00:50:48.920 But I may have to talk to you beforehand.
00:50:51.080 I want to make sure that voice is getting better.
00:50:54.020 Mike Lindell.
00:50:55.020 Man, what he's sacrificing after him hard.
00:50:57.740 Okay.
00:50:58.580 10 a.m. Eastern time.
00:51:00.620 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow.
00:51:03.280 We're going to return.
00:51:04.640 The show's already packed.
00:51:05.800 So it's going to be crazy.
00:51:07.040 And that doesn't even count on what's going to happen overnight.
00:51:11.560 President Trump is driving this in every different direction.
00:51:15.440 A 30-front war.
00:51:17.100 And they're trying to stop him in every direction.
00:51:19.420 Whether it's politically on Capitol Hill.
00:51:21.100 Whether it's in the media.
00:51:22.660 Whether it's in the courts.
00:51:23.960 All over.
00:51:24.760 And now the Chinese Communist Party in a major throwdown.
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00:51:43.200 Futures of gold.
00:51:44.100 Another all-time high as we end the show today.
00:51:47.300 I want to talk about that tomorrow morning.
00:51:48.820 I'm sure markets are going to be on fire overnight in Asia and in Europe.
00:51:52.620 And the futures will bring it all to you.
00:51:54.540 We'll leave you with the right stuff.
00:51:55.680 We'll see you back here at 10 a.m.
00:51:57.000 Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow.
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