Stephen K. Bamb is joined by Eric Prince and John Leak to discuss the latest in the Ukraine crisis, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the potential for a deal between the United States and Russia on Ukraine.
00:00:58.720John Leak is going to be here on this new kind of blockbuster book he's got about vaccines.
00:01:03.780He and Dr. McCullough, because the vaccine situation is, as you know, we're pushing that with Make America Healthy Again and Bobby Kennedy.
00:01:16.860Since the kinetic part of the Third World War started, there have been two million casualties, both a million Russians and a million Ukrainians, although the Ukrainians got a lot of civilians in there, in the Ukraine.
00:02:55.680I think they'd take it at what those boundaries are now or where the front lines are to straighten the lines and be done.
00:03:02.460I think the Russians demand a little respect.
00:03:06.520We've allowed the yapping small European countries that have no militaries and really no skin in the game and have not been spending anything like 2% on defense to make lots of grand claims.
00:03:22.060And they're kind of writing checks that their bodies can't cash or that their muscle can't back up.
00:03:29.320So I don't know why Trump is pulling that forward.
00:04:06.240I mean, to me, India and CCP, he's very cautious in one level.
00:04:09.600But if it's secondary sanctions and we now know they've stopped buying that the CCP has stopped buying from the U.S. energy, they're buying from, I mean, coal, natural gas, oil.
00:04:22.580They're buying it all from looks like Russia and Persia.
00:04:26.840Secondary sanctions would be would be crippling to the Chinese economy.
00:04:30.600And President Trump has said this is his leverage he's going to use.
00:04:34.340I don't know that he has that much leverage against the Chinese economy.
00:04:51.160I truly don't understand at this point.
00:04:52.640Ann Applebaum, who's no friend of the war room, certainly no friend of of Eric Prince, the president of the United States or Steve Bannon, she had a piece in the Atlantic about a week or so ago that said even as many hits as as Putin has.
00:05:07.880He's got an army he's put together for the summer offensive of six hundred and seventy five thousand troops.
00:05:13.920Why would he negotiate with President Trump when isn't Odessa their target?
00:05:19.600Isn't that the last big thing that they want before they call it a day, sir?
00:05:23.780If they can take Odessa and that port, they have effectively really neutered the viability of Ukraine as a country, because that is the port through which all of Ukrainian grain and mineral exports has to flow.
00:05:41.320So it's going to be a while until they get there.
00:05:46.200I mean, that's a that's still a ways off militarily.
00:05:48.760That's probably another season or two.
00:05:51.040But but Ukraine does have a manpower problem.
00:05:53.900And right now, really, both sides are just stuck in a war of massive attrition.
00:06:00.540The millions and millions of landmines that have been sown make it very hard for any kind of breakthrough.
00:06:07.560And when you add to that very smart FPV drones, drones that can adjust your artillery fire to be very accurate and including unmanned systems that can even sell more landfields or more minefields in front of any breakthrough, makes any kind of fast maneuver warfare that would lead to a decisive end exceedingly difficult.
00:06:30.620So this is when you look at the battlefields today, it's like the Somme, you know, the horrifically costly, pointless battle during the World War One, which cost 60,000 British in a long weekend.
00:07:01.720I want to play another clip from Lindsey Graham about the war in Gaza and get your response, Eric.
00:07:08.500Let's talk about Gaza, Senator, because this is so important.
00:07:13.080As I just talked about with the House speaker, the world is just watching this humanitarian crisis unfold.
00:07:19.540President Trump said he told Prime Minister Netanyahu to, quote, finish the job this week.
00:07:25.440I know that you are in touch with President Trump.
00:07:28.160You're in touch with Israeli officials.
00:07:30.540What are you anticipating is going to happen next?
00:07:33.080What does finish the job mean, Senator?
00:07:36.360Well, I talked to Cindy McCain last night.
00:07:39.840Here's some good news for the people in Gaza.
00:07:42.660Humanitarian quarters are now going to be open.
00:07:45.700Israel is going to work with the U.N., the World Food Program, to get some food into these people who need it.
00:07:50.960But I think what the topic we're talking about today is a change in strategy.
00:07:57.060I think President Trump has come to believe, and I've certainly come to believe, there's no way you're going to negotiate an end of this war with Hamas.
00:08:05.200Hamas is a terrorist organization who is chartered to destroy the state of Israel.
00:08:14.280I think Israel has come to conclude that they can't achieve a goal of ending the war with Hamas that would be satisfactory to the safety of Israel.
00:08:26.320And if they're going to do in Gaza what we did in Tokyo and Berlin, take the place by force, then start over again, presenting a better future for the Palestinians,
00:08:37.560hopefully having the Arabs take over the West Bank and Gaza.
00:08:40.220But I think going forward, Christian, you're going to see a change in tactics, a full military effort by Israel to take Gaza down like we did in Tokyo and Berlin.
00:08:50.960Senator, bottom line, does that mean the hostages are not going to be coming back alive if Israel were to move forward with what you're effectively saying?
00:09:17.820They're losing soldiers four and five a week.
00:09:21.200I hope and pray the hostages will come back.
00:09:24.200Hamas could end this tomorrow by laying down their weapons and releasing the hostages.
00:09:28.340There is no future for the Palestinian people as long as Hamas is around.
00:09:32.800So all I can say is that you're going to see, I think, in the next days and weeks, a military effort to destroy Hamas akin to what we did in Tokyo and Berlin to destroy the Nazis and the Japanese.
00:09:47.260So, Eric Prince, wow, you've been involved in discussions and things around there since the very beginning of this war.
00:09:58.620When Lindsey Graham says, you talked about the first day of the Somme where the British Army, I think, lost 70,000 men.
00:10:05.420Lindsey Graham is equating the final stroke by the IDF and Netanyahu against the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas as being equivalent.
00:10:44.660I don't know why they've allowed themselves to be held hostage by having hostages.
00:10:50.820If you have that much of a mismatch militarily between what the IDF can feel versus what Hamas can, it's taken way, way, way too long.
00:11:02.580It's extremely frustrating for me to see this because I gave them the option early on, like three weeks after the October 7, before the ground offensive even started.
00:11:15.720I brought them a fully funded drilling and flooding program to flood all the tunnels and take that away as a way for Hamas to keep hiding.
00:11:34.040But there's a huge part of the Israeli population that wants to extinct Gaza as well.
00:11:40.300And so the real losers in this are the normal people in Gaza that are just trying to live and survive and feed their families.
00:11:50.300And I'm really disgusted at this point with how long this has gone on, that even the only church, the only Catholic church in Gaza, some tank takes a pot shot at it at the steeple.
00:12:07.520Now, Steve, sorry, a Makaba tank has a 120-millimeter smoothbore cannon that is going about more than 5,000 feet per second.
00:12:18.740That is a very, very flat shooting round.
00:12:21.400And it was an elevated shot which hit the steeple.
00:12:24.420I think somebody was taking a pot shot at the Christian cross on that steeple.
00:12:29.460And it killed three Christians in that church and the thought of it enough.
00:12:50.220So you have Lindsey Graham and the Tom Cottons of the world that are cheering on.
00:12:57.020And like you said, you've had two years.
00:12:58.640We said at the beginning, if you've got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible for a whole host of reasons.
00:13:03.940We're now deep into the second year of this.
00:13:06.380We're getting up to the second year of this.
00:13:08.260But you have Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton and others on Capitol Hill saying, oh, if you want to take a Berlin and Tokyo strategy in World War II, have at it.
00:13:16.540I mean, how do you put constraints on that?
00:13:18.580That's coming from the American side, sir.
00:13:22.160That's coming from a couple of senators.
00:13:23.760Again, this is not something we have to pay for.
00:13:30.060Look, the goodwill that Israeli society has built up with a lot of the tech they've developed in agriculture and water and safe cities and all the rest has largely been shredded because of this endless war that has dragged on.
00:13:47.280And I am starting to wonder how were they how was all that intelligence apparatus so blind to that level of buildup that they allowed October 7 to happen and were caught so unawares, especially, especially on an anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, where they were also caught unawares in 73.
00:14:10.300Eric, you put a plan together in May, I think, of 2017 to basically presented to President Trump.
00:14:21.520He read he read that your piece in The Wall Street Journal.
00:14:23.780He saw you on Fox explaining for a couple of days.
00:14:26.020He loved your idea about how to make sense on a rapid but smart kind of downsizing and ultimate withdrawal from Afghanistan that the deep state, basically the Pentagon of the deep state, did not allow us to effectuate.
00:14:42.020And you saw what happened with Biden years and years later.
00:14:45.000What would be your advice to President Trump today if you were in the Oval with him about avoiding getting into kinetic conflict in Ukraine and in Gaza right now, sir?
00:15:00.440Not a place that U.S. forces should be engaged on the ground or, for that matter, in Yemen as well with the Battle of Mandaab.
00:15:09.840It is once the U.S. gets involved, the momentum of incrementalism is very, very difficult to stop.
00:15:18.480And it takes a severe jolt to the system to interrupt that kind of momentum.
00:15:27.280And we've already spent billions and billions and billions of dollars in Yemen.
00:16:56.280Don't know where that's going to lead, but I'm sure somewhere.
00:16:58.220I want to cut that for Eric Prince to say that, but he knows the IDF guys well.
00:17:04.580He knows, obviously, the Israelis very well.
00:17:07.040He did come up with a plan in the first days of this horrible situation about flooding the tunnels and doing other things like that to try to make some, to get up the curve quicker that were not taken.
00:17:19.700His plan for Afghanistan was still the best plan, and, of course, the deep state and the Pentagon fought it tooth and nail.
00:18:01.320I want to take a minute to give you guys an overview of the incident from the weekend.
00:18:06.480First of all, I think it's very important that everybody understands we had well over 150,000 people in the downtown area this weekend.
00:18:23.780We had a major big three basketball tournament at the arena.
00:18:28.820We had a Reds game with large crowds, and we had the Cincinnati Music Festival.
00:18:35.020Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful events for this city and all the people who attended it.
00:18:42.700Unfortunately, we had one incident, one incident late Friday night into Saturday morning that is getting all the attention and undoing the good stuff that happened this weekend.
00:18:57.000That's the incident that you're well aware of that occurred at 4th and Elm.
00:19:01.200I, like many, woke up Saturday morning to the video.
00:19:19.260First officers were on the scene at 3.12 a.m.
00:19:23.780Based on the body cam footage that I've watched, that response time is completely acceptable because the downtown area still had traffic congestion from all of the events.
00:19:39.620Upon arrival, the fight was over with.
00:19:47.800The fight was over with when the officers arrived.
00:19:52.420And the majority of the participants were gone.
00:19:57.340The officers did exactly what they are trained to do.
00:20:00.780They gathered information from the victims that were still at the scene to complete an offense report.
00:20:13.060I will tell you, at this time, we have victims and suspects identified,
00:20:22.840and we have charged five people in this offense.
00:20:29.340I'm not going to release that information to you.
00:20:32.440I will say, if individuals were down there and participated in this event,
00:20:37.980it would be in their best interest to come turn themselves in at one of our police districts.
00:20:44.320We have five we have charged and anticipate more.
00:20:53.940Anyone, anyone who put their hands on another individual during this incident in an attempt to cause harm will face consequences.
00:21:09.420I don't care which side of the incident or the fight they were on.
00:21:14.120If they place their hands on somebody in an attempt to cause harm, that is unacceptable.
00:21:22.680This is still an open investigation, and all potential charges are being investigated for everyone involved.
00:21:32.240All investigative tools and techniques are on the table, including were some of these individuals over-served at some local establishments.
00:21:49.020It is clear to us that alcohol played a part, a significant part, in this incident.
00:21:55.320I want to thank every citizen who has come forward and provided us with information.
00:22:05.160Some of those tips have led to the charges being signed.
00:22:09.500However, for us to have 100 or so people down there involved in and or watching this event, recording with their cell phones,
00:22:25.960and for us to get only one phone call of this incident is unacceptable in this city.
00:22:52.520The reason I want to play it, that is the epitome of the besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, how is the play?
00:22:57.020Oh, we had, you know, hundreds of thousands of people, but you had this incident, and that happened on, what is it, Friday night, Saturday morning.
00:23:06.300Here we are Monday afternoon and still not sorted out.
00:23:10.200No, ma'am, that's just not what citizens of Cincinnati expect or anticipate.
00:23:16.720Really a total and complete debacle there.
00:23:19.940Let me bring in more of that tomorrow, I'm sure.
00:24:08.560Your head's blown up when you see something like that, correct?
00:24:11.180Well, I mean, what we've discovered going back to this smallpox outbreak in Boston, Massachusetts in 1721, that's really the beginning of our story.
00:24:24.660Cotton Mather, a fellow Harvard man, I believe he's still the youngest Harvard graduate in history, graduated from Harvard at the age of 11, was a real prodigy.
00:24:36.740He was a consulting scholar for the Salem witch trials.
00:24:43.060Cotton Mather was a very fascinating man, and he happens to be the first great advocate of smallpox inoculation.
00:24:52.520And so we start with Cotton Mather, and what we see going from Cotton Mather in 1721 all the way to the COVID-19 mass vaccination in 2021.
00:25:04.980So it's 300-year history, is that the vaccine enterprise is really more of a religious enterprise than a scientific enterprise.
00:25:19.560You've already got me rolling here with Cotton Mather, 11-year-old grad of Harvard, and the consulting theologian for the Salem witch trials.
00:25:47.640As Bobby Kennedy and the crew over at HHS now start to rev up this whole platinum science and really get down to the bottom of the situation with these vaccines.
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