Ben Harnwell, Peter McElvenna and Steve Kamb join host Stephen Kamb to discuss the latest attack on a synagogue in Manchester, England, a car ramming and stabbing attack that has left at least 2 dead, and 2 more suspects in custody.
00:02:01.840Thursday, 2 October, Year of Our Lord, 2025.
00:02:05.300Thanks for sticking around for the late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room.
00:02:10.560I've got my colleague, Ben Harnwell from Rome, and we've also got Peter McElvenna.
00:02:16.100I want to go, Peter, we stream you a couple times a week on your show, Hearts of Oak.
00:02:27.120And I've made this, and it's been a big deal, I guess, in the British media, that I believe our mother country, the United Kingdom, is rapidly spinning to a civil war.
00:02:37.940And that the political apparatus right now cannot stop it.
00:02:46.260And I keep saying the only person that could is possibly Nigel, who, and Nigel has never been as hardcore about immigration, although he's made it as we have in the war room, we have in the Trump movement in the United States.
00:02:58.000But even Nigel is coming our way, because now Nigel, for the first time, is talking about mass deportations.
00:03:04.200Talk to me about mantras, this is just the latest example, but you've sent me a series of stories.
00:03:09.500I mean, folks, this thing, and the pushback of the English and British working class to me is just amazing.
00:03:17.780I get the St. George's flags, the flag of England, the Union Jack.
00:03:22.740You had the Tommy Robinson demonstration in the streets with two or three million people.
00:03:26.540So they ain't going down without a fight.
00:03:28.700They're not going to go down without a fight.
00:03:30.120And I think you can do this the easy way through politics and policy, which we always advocate for.
00:03:37.080But I'm telling you, the English working class is not going to just turn over their country and let a bunch of feckless, spineless politicians in a corrupt media sell their country out, sir.
00:03:53.420I don't know what I can add to that, Steve.
00:03:57.120And we're in a weird situation in the UK, I see Ben smirking, but we're in a weird situation in the UK in that we are four years out from a general election.
00:04:07.840We are stuck with a hard left government, socialist government in Keir Storm or two-tier Keir.
00:04:14.460And we have a conservative government that aren't applying any pressure at all.
00:04:19.080And Kemi Bednock has been an utter disaster in terms of providing conservative pressure to a socialist government.
00:04:27.840Then on the other side, you've got Nigel Farage applying huge pressure with Reform UK with six members of parliament out of 650.
00:04:38.460And the conservatives have got 100 and whatever they've got.
00:04:41.860Who knows? But it's Nigel Farage applying the pressure and he has really hit his stride.
00:04:49.360And I've got many issues with Nigel in terms of engaging on the Islamisation of the UK, Islamic immigration.
00:04:58.660But he's hit his stride in terms of immigration and he is taking it to the Labour Party.
00:05:05.480And this week we've had the Labour Party conference and he is hitting the ball.
00:05:11.140He is pushing the government to readdress their understanding of mass illegal immigration and the impact it has on the UK.
00:05:20.180Without Nigel, we would not be having this conversation.
00:05:23.380We have a government that is doing horrendously in the polls and Nigel is fitting into that in providing the commentary for the public.
00:05:35.980If we had an election today in the UK, if we had an election today, Nigel Farage with Reform UK would go from six MPs to 315, I think.
00:05:47.440Just six or eight seats short of a majority.
00:05:50.640He has done a phenomenal job on engaging with the public.
00:05:55.360He did it with Brexit, with the Brexit vote.
00:05:58.520He has done it at the moment with British politics in terms of a parliamentary system.
00:06:05.360And although he only has six MPs, he is hitting the ball so high in relation to the Conservative Party that are just part of the Uni Party.
00:06:15.260And then, of course, today you have, as you mentioned, that horrendous attack on a synagogue up in the northwest of England, up in Manchester.
00:06:25.960A big synagogue, five, seven hundred person synagogue.
00:06:54.460I understand the rabbi of the synagogue had locked the doors to make sure they were protected.
00:07:01.000And on the day of Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, given to us in Leviticus, in Deuteronomy, where you actually go to God in repentance of your sins.
00:08:31.300Every day I'm picking up, because I get feeds from England, I'm seeing people arrested, people with doors kicked out.
00:08:37.820Can you even have this conversation, a war room heated conversation in the United Kingdom right now?
00:08:46.280Are the speech laws so draconian that they're trying to suppress even the ability to deal with this Islamization and neo-Marxist crisis in British society?
00:08:57.220Well, maybe I'm fully Steve, because I love war room.
00:09:07.700What we have in London is an example of what you could have in New York.
00:09:14.160And I plead with the American audience, I plead with the American voters to recognize that and make a stand in New York, to make sure New York does not come London a stand.
00:10:02.280And yet we have mass rapists going around the U.K. that supposedly, 10 years later, the British government get into gear and engage in that.
00:10:13.120So we have online posts being much more hateful, much more concerned to U.K. cohesion over above burglaries, rapes, the grooming gangs, everything else happening on the other side.
00:10:24.900And somehow we need a realignment to politics engaged with what concerns the people on the streets.
00:10:33.720And I hope and pray you have the same conversation in the U.S.
00:10:37.080And really, I hope you do not have the individual that at the moment is polling to be top.
00:11:00.520I'm seeing now things, and it's not that I watch a lot of TikTok, but I'm seeing these amazing spots made on this, what, digital Brit card?
00:12:37.280Peter, by the way, you mentioned – what would the people in England tell the people of the United States when President Trump says, hey, the Board of Peace, I'm going to be the chairman, but the viceroy is going to be Tony Blair?
00:12:50.640What advice would our brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom warn us about the potential of the American Gaza plan with Tony Blair as the viceroy?
00:14:46.260There's so much going on in order to start.
00:14:47.740But I've got to ask you, President Trump, when you're doing the complexity of the Gaza situation and you throw out Tony Blair's name, given that Tony Blair is on the payroll of everybody, how does that strike?
00:15:03.120I know you had to deal with it decades ago.
00:15:06.320How does that strike folks in the United Kingdom?
00:15:08.580Do they take this as serious or do they take this as somehow Tony Blair is in there with Cutter and others and there's going to be some sort of big grift?
00:15:15.600Steve, I always hate following Peter McIlvenna on the show because he's so synthetic and so clear.
00:15:22.960It always makes it difficult to trump whatever he's doing.
00:15:27.060But in answer to that question, getting Tony Blair, who lied the country into the Gulf War on the basis of sexed up, those were his words, sexed up intelligence,
00:15:39.400is rather like saying, I've got a house, a shelter for young women and I need someone to look after.
00:15:48.180Who should I bring in? I know, let's bring in Joe Biden.
00:15:51.000You know, there can't be a worse person to come in with his history in the Middle East than Tony Blair.
00:16:11.180OK, there's been a national identity card here, the Carta d'Identità , which you have to carry on at all times whenever you leave your house.
00:16:21.460And you also have to have what's called a codice fiscale, and you cannot be employed legally in Italy without it.
00:16:30.520And both of those things simply serve to add bureaucracy onto the ordinary, regular, taxpaying Italian, or like me, permanent resident here.
00:16:42.340But you go out into the field, Steve, especially out into the south of Italy, they're full, they're chock-a-block full with illegals.
00:16:51.420And you say, well, hang on, how does that happen?
00:16:54.100I thought you need to have, like, the official documents to be able to work in Italy.
00:16:59.760Well, it's one thing to have the bureaucracy, and it's another thing to enforce it.
00:17:07.260Just like in Italy, the cost and the punishment, the penalisation of this bureaucracy will fall on the shoulders, as it always does, on taxpayers.
00:17:19.280And those who are invisible to the system will be ignored.
00:17:22.920And I know that for a fact, Steve, because it's the UK government who's responsible, a succession of UK governments, let's be fair,
00:17:30.480that is responsible for the third world illegal invasion in the first place, right?
00:17:36.980They're the people who are letting this happen.
00:17:39.360If I were a dictator of the UK in 60 seconds, I would change it.
00:17:43.220Instead of having boats full arriving at the UK and returning to France empty,
00:17:48.500I would have them returning, coming to the UK empty and returning full.
00:17:52.860It's easy to achieve if you have the political will.
00:17:55.500This government doesn't have the political will because it's not interested in representing the British people.
00:18:01.420Neither is the sham of the Tory party.
00:18:04.520Hence the fact that polls are saying that Nigel Farage is going to be on about 350 MPs after the next election.
00:18:13.340That's why, if all the government is interested in doing is producing these performative, theatrical measures
00:18:20.500that aren't going to do anything to tackle the actual problem, I'm against it.
00:18:28.280Because I know, as I said, the bureaucracy, the hassle, the inconvenience will fall on those who have nothing to do with the problem at hand.
00:18:39.800I add to that, Steve, as I pushed out on Getter yesterday, what this government is also now doing is bringing out live facial cameras right across the UK.
00:18:51.480This is real sort of 1984 stuff, sort of homing in and sort of zapping everyone as they're going about their daily business.
00:18:57.820And now, of course, that's going to go into some database somewhere.
00:19:01.340This is what, why is this, what I called on Getter the anatomy of a betrayal is this.
00:19:06.740First, you fill the country with an invasion of third world illegal invasions.
00:19:11.720Then you sit there, arms crossed, and watch the resulting holocaust of crime, including violent crime, including sexual crimes against women and children.
00:19:25.040And then you clamp down on the thousand-year-old civil liberties against Britons in the UK.
00:19:34.000And finally, you continue to do absolutely zero about the thing that caused the crime wave in the first place, which is the third world illegal invasion.
00:20:01.640All they are interested in doing is performative theatrics in the hope that it will slate somewhat the opposition that they see building day by day in the UK right now.
00:20:14.460Is the—do I overstate the case that—because I really do.
00:20:28.480Of course, I love our native Ireland, and I see it following England so rapidly because of the globalists that have sold out the people.
00:20:36.140But my fear—Ireland, in this regard, it's starting, but it's years behind.
00:20:40.140But in England, I actually see—and someone who's been intimately involved in British politics and particularly the Brexit movement, supporting Nigel Farage and others of our colleagues over there, and having Raheem and you as kind of co-hosts and collaborators and sidekicks.
00:20:58.640Do I overstate the case that England, I think, is hurtling towards—not sliding anymore, but hurtling towards a potential civil war unless the political process actually kicks in and starts to take the corrective actions that you're talking about?
00:21:13.180I think Nigel Farage is going to be the release on the pressure cooker that will stop that from happening.
00:21:21.400But if it weren't for Nigel, yes, I think that's the—that would definitely—what's coming closer, sort of day by day, month by month, year by year.
00:21:30.200There are two things here, Steve, right?
00:21:32.500There's the possibility of revolution and there's a possibility of civil war.
00:21:37.340And they are both responses to a particular set of circumstances that, inside the system, there's been a failure to acknowledge and deal with.
00:21:46.860That's why people have defaulted to systematic reform outside.
00:21:52.720I do think, whilst it is absolutely a realistic possibility, I do think the UK is heading more towards revolution rather than civil war.
00:22:03.580Civil war is something I think is far more close to the United States over the next 20 or so years, rather than, say, revolution.
00:22:14.860And as I say, these are particular contexts to do with what is precisely wrong with the system, wrong with the political system, wrong with the ability to respond to people's needs.
00:22:25.940But both of these things are ever-present, not just in the UK, Steve, not just in the United States, but right across the Western world.
00:22:33.760Amazing. And I will say something about Nigel. Nigel is definitely coming closer to our position here in the United States with the MAGA movement.
00:22:47.100You know, Nigel, for years, did not – it was only a couple of weeks ago.
00:22:51.160I think it was six weeks ago that Nigel, for the first time, started talking about mass deportations.
00:22:58.240That had not been part of his – you know, he's much more – he's been adamant about warning about it and about solutions, but he hasn't gone to the solutions that ultimately – I mean, it's here.
00:23:09.900It's what's happening in the United States is why President Trump has sent the Secretary of War to Memphis, why he's sending a federalized National Guard into Portland.
00:23:20.340We are now entering the phase of going to the mass deportations, and the pushback by the radicals in our country is over the top.
00:23:30.420I mean, they are getting – not just getting away in law enforcement.
00:23:33.200They intend to harm law enforcement and to shut this down.
00:23:36.360So – and for us, it absolutely must happen.
00:23:39.940And this is going to get – it's going to get nasty because the radical Democrats, the entire party is built on illegal immigration or scamming the visa program.
00:23:49.200That's – 100 percent, that's where their party is.
00:23:51.360Without that, that's why they fought so hard to have the census gun-decked, which it was in 2020.
00:23:58.240Without the illegal invasion, without the illegal aliens, without scammers off of the legal immigration process, and the legal immigration process is totally out of control.
00:24:26.800We've got so much more to go through, and we're going to get into it.
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