In this week's epiode, Steve and his guests Frank Walker, Chris Jackson, and Ben Harnwell break down the latest in the latest scandal surrounding Pope Francis and the Catholic Church, and how it relates to the scandalous revelation that the Vatican is allowing priests to celebrate the old mass.
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00:01:17.000Let's bring on Frank and Jenny straight away.
00:01:20.000Thanks for coming on, as always, guys, to help break down the week's developments.
00:01:26.000Frank Walker, we're starting off the show.
00:01:29.000I said to myself I wasn't going to laugh on this.
00:01:32.000I wasn't going to permit myself a smile.
00:02:47.000Steve Bannon, myself, we said, right from the beginning, folks, pay attention.
00:02:54.000Don't allow yourselves to be swept along by Catholic Inc.
00:02:58.000And certainly not by Trad Inc., who's only going to deceive you, right?
00:03:05.000Pay attention to what your sources of news are.
00:03:08.000So then, a couple of days ago, rather strange, Frank Walker, how this works, because it's the United States Catholic Bishops Conference that is actually carrying a revelation given to the UK bishops by the nuncio to England.
00:03:32.000It's a bit strange about how this has transpired, because you would naturally expect the UK bishops conference to be pushing this revelation up onto their own news site.
00:03:47.000The news got out from the English bishops to the American bishops, and it's out there on the American bishops website and spreading to the rest of the corners of the world.
00:04:04.000I don't want to say I told you so, right?
00:04:08.000But Frank Walker, Chris Jackson, Steve Bannon, Ben Harnwell, we did tell you so.
00:04:13.000Tradiciones Custodes, which is the letter of the loathed, despised, not at all lamented Pope Francis.
00:04:30.000Pope Francis, confiscated, withdrew the right, reiterated by Pope Benedict, to allow any Catholic priest, without permission from the bishop, to celebrate the old mass, which the modernists, who've hijacked the church since the Second Vatican Council, have been trying to suppress.
00:04:52.000And Pope Benedict XVI went significantly against that and said, any priest can say the old mass, no permissions necessary.
00:05:03.000And that loathed tyrant, Bergoglio, known to some as Pope Francis, tightened up on that and said, no, no, no, we're going to tighten this up.
00:05:15.720You now need permission from the bishop, and the bishop, I think, needs to get permission from Rome.
00:05:20.560And everyone said, when Leo was elected, oh, watch now, watch how he's going to be more balanced towards the trats, right?
00:05:31.640Everyone, not, of course, when I say everyone, I exclude Frank Walker, Chris Jackson, the war room.
00:05:37.080And they all said this again, when Cardinal Burke, very holy guy, God bless him, God bless his soul, God bless his heart,
00:05:48.080when he celebrated the mass at the high altar in the Vatican, with great pomp and appreciation from Trad Inc.,
00:05:59.040saying, watch, watch, folks, watch, watch, Leo is about to reverse course on Bergoglio's pet policy.
00:06:09.940And we said, folks, beware, probably not going to happen.
00:06:14.600And how did we know this? Because we simply repeated ad nauseum that Leo was elected on the fourth ballot by a conclave,
00:06:24.92080% of which, that's record time, pretty much record time, 80% of the cardinals of which, the cardinal electors of which,
00:09:32.840It was all just shut down saying that it was, I think that it's, this was probably, since this is all unsourced stories,
00:09:39.420I think a lot of it probably didn't even happen.
00:09:41.660I don't know, but you know, you can't, you can't know, but that's what it seemed like to be a story, a total nothing burger.
00:09:46.260Well, the Cardinal, yeah, I mean, you mentioned Cardinal Roach, an English bishop known universally to English Catholics as Cockroach,
00:09:57.880which sort of gives some indication of the affection he's held in, in the English church.
00:10:05.500What are the, what are the conclusions do you draw on this?
00:10:08.320I want to mention this because you, Chris Jackson, myself, we have been, we have come in for so much opprobrium, right, from Trad Inc.
00:10:16.580And basically from any Catholic news organisation with the word Catholic in the title, they've called us extremists, they've called us divisive,
00:10:26.820they said we're poisoning people against Pope Leo, but we've absolutely called it from day one, from minute one of hour one of day one, we've been absolutely correct on this.
00:10:37.860Do you have a takeaway for folks when it comes to how they get their news when it comes to the Catholic church specifically?
00:10:48.060Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of the people that were helpful and faithful during the time of Francis are not now.
00:10:54.620And you really have to ask yourself who benefits and how do we follow the money when you're, when you're looking.
00:11:00.360And there are good voices out there and there are emerging voices that you need to pay attention to.
00:11:05.000You know, there, there was even a little bit of a battle on Twitter and one priest framed it.
00:11:10.600There's, there's a traditional Catholics out there who believe that the whole entire church needs to be reformed, that there's trouble with the, with the Pope.
00:11:21.440There's trouble with the mass that's reflected, reflecting a wrong doctrine and, and in the real ancient mass.
00:11:27.440And those things all need to be addressed for the sake of the souls.
00:11:30.400And then there's a group of traditional Catholics that are acting as if just being able to get your, uh, the ancient mass, which the ancient mass is what the world really hates because it, it, it really brings graces and it instills Catholic faith in people.
00:11:47.140You know, you have to address the whole problem.
00:11:49.260You have to look at, at, at the Pope with clear eyes and clearly report.
00:11:54.280Don't, don't, you know, don't just, I think that's my takeaway to people that are getting, you know, their information.
00:11:59.820I mean, after all, you know, just in Detroit where they've crushed so many masses, now they've just announced an enormous restructuring because nobody is going to church in Detroit anymore.
00:12:10.300I mean, there's a trend, which you're going to hear about of some new people starting to go, but in the meantime, all the churches that are built reflecting the ancient mass, they're all going to be bulldozed.
00:12:19.580They're all going to be sold off in Detroit.
00:12:51.100And remember, that's what needs to be addressed.
00:12:53.020We have to really deal with the situation of the hierarchy.
00:12:56.400And because the money that has bought the church, the infiltrated hierarchy and a Pope that does not really reflect Catholicism.
00:13:04.080And that would go with the ancient mass too.
00:13:07.080That's, that's putting it, that's putting it diplomatically, Frank.
00:13:10.720I couldn't agree more with what you say on this, that the mass is supremely important.
00:13:17.140It is, as they say, the source and the summit of the Christian life.
00:13:23.060But it is not, it is not the end of the story of what this battle is about.
00:13:27.520And I have to remind people from time to time that the, the, the fathers of the Second Vatican Council, all the bishops of the world gathered together.
00:13:38.300The only mass they knew that they, since being altar boys and children and sort of priests and bishops, the only mass they knew at that time, obviously, was the traditional Latin mass.
00:13:52.920And yet they were able to come together as a body, as a worldwide episcopacy and promulgate all of these non-Catholic documents that, that cause us so much damage now.
00:14:06.280So for people who say, oh, look, just settle, settle down, settle down, guys.
00:14:10.780Don't be so rabid, where we're making progress, we're making strides, get sort of renormalizing the old mass.
00:14:20.700That is great, but it's not the end of the story.
00:14:24.100Steve says all the time in the, in the political sphere, you folks, the war and policy, you have your agency for yourself.
00:14:33.680And what we try to do on this hour, one hour a week, is just remind Catholics that they have an agency as well.
00:14:40.180And I would add to that a sense of duty as the laity to help bring the Catholic Church that we love.
00:14:48.540We do this because we love the Church, right?
00:14:50.540To bring the Church back to the fullness of the Catholic faith.
00:14:55.600Guarantee this, folks, we will keep our cynical eyes on this non-stop and bring you updates on this as they occur.
00:15:09.700In a short moment, Jenny is going to tell us this horrific story out of America, specifically Maine, where a district court has prohibited her mother from taking her daughter, her 11-year-old daughter, to any church services or even reading the Bible to her.
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00:16:30.820So, Jenny, when I saw this story, I was absolutely horrified.
00:16:35.900I thought, you know, Americans have First Amendment rights here on the free practice of religion.
00:16:43.420Tell me what has happened in Maine and what's the reaction to this?
00:16:47.660So this has to be one of the ugliest divorce and custody cases I have ever heard of.
00:16:56.120It's a sad tale of a couple who cannot agree on the religious education of their daughter.
00:17:03.600And the district court in Maine ruled that the mother was forbidden from taking her daughter to church or giving her daughter any religious education and handed all of that authority over to the father exclusively.
00:17:19.080As if this shocking overstep in government power wasn't enough, the evidence that was in the piece, which was in Newsweek recently, was flimsy at best.
00:17:32.000The lawyer for the father claimed that the child had suffered psychological distress, being subjected to biblical teachings, including images of fallen angels and, you know, the concept of eternal damnation.
00:17:49.780Now, thankfully, this case has been taken to the main Supreme Court and they heard they finished oral arguments this week, I believe.
00:17:58.640So it will take them a few months to come out with a ruling.
00:18:01.660But I mean, obviously, not only religious freedom people, but First Amendment people in general will be watching this very closely.
00:18:07.020Now, I have to say that I am always one to find the silver lining, as you guys well know, but I have a theory here that the more extreme and the more extreme the hostility becomes towards Christian belief, the more it is actually driving people into the arms of the Christian faith.
00:18:30.100Because even the most hardened atheists can see that that is a wild overstep in government power, and it's literally baked into the United States that they cannot dictate religion.
00:18:43.880I know you've got some good news to share.
00:19:15.600So it's, you know, to give an idea of just how bad the damage is to this poor 11-year-old girl.
00:19:23.640She's been subjected to images of, with the scare quotes, fallen angels and eternal suffering.
00:19:31.160And it's also how insane the liberal worldview has become, that it's absolutely verboten and it's distressing and should be banned to tell a child about the concept of heaven and hell, which is what eternal suffering entails.
00:19:46.540But I'm sure this father would be perfectly fine with this child being told, oh, you can change your sex and you can be queer and you can be anything you want to be, except not a Christian.
00:20:03.280What should happen in this case where you have two parents with teenage children, early teenage children, and those parents between them have radically different ideas as to the religious instruction of the child?
00:20:24.180Now, to give good faith, just to give good faith to the judges, one moment in Maine, just to think this through.
00:20:31.620So you have the family courts, like the district court here, that is called upon to intervene.
00:20:39.680How are they supposed to navigate this?
00:20:42.160If one parent says, you know, this is child abuse, you know, talking about fallen angels and eternal suffering is child abuse, and the other parent says, basically, no, it's just common garden Christian theology.
00:20:55.700Who, how, if they can't decide between them, should the church, the judges, the courts intervene to mediate between the two?
00:21:07.600Well, legally, I don't see what else, how else it can be decided, but the problem is, putting legality aside, the reality is, if a child has one parent who has convinced her, because let's face it, children are very suggestible, and children can be fed very easily a line, and be encouraged to think highly negatively about either Christianity, or much more commonly, another parent.
00:21:35.860And once that happens, it's very, very difficult for that child to overcome and get free of those toxic lies that is being fed by one parent.
00:21:46.760This happens very commonly in parental alienation cases, and this is, to that, taken up about a hundred steps, because not only is the father saying, you know, the mother can't be entrusted with sort of moral and spiritual teachings, but the church itself is this big, scary beast.
00:22:02.300The child is likely, I don't know if the child believes it or not, but the child is likely to have that sincere belief, and how that child then can be deprogrammed, or be comforted even, and know that the mother is not trying to harm the child, and neither is the church, that's a whole other ball of wax.
00:22:20.320And it's a far more complex and far more painful process than judges on a Supreme Court in the state of Maine making a decision to the letter of the law.
00:22:31.200It's a terrible, terrible thing to do to a child. Absolutely appalling.
00:22:34.660As I understand the precise nature here of what's happened, is that the courts gave, the lower court, the district court, gave the exclusive, and I quote basically, the exclusive responsibility for the religious formation to the father.
00:22:56.960And when the mother went against that, that brought against the original legal action, apparently she took the daughter into town.
00:23:10.840She said she was just taking the 12-year-old girl into town, when of all horrors, she was taking her to an abortion, an anti-abortion, a pro-life, an anti-abortion rally, a pro-life rally.
00:23:24.640So you can see that there is obviously different sensibilities, political and religious sensibilities, between the two parents here.
00:23:32.460But they gave, very strangely, I think, and this I think is going to be the nature of the appeal to the Supreme Court, of the Judicial Supreme Court of Maine,
00:23:44.120that very unusually they gave, for no reason at all, because there's no other question marks, against the mother, who's not one in every other respect.
00:23:54.640The mother's lawyer claimed that they used an expert witness that was highly biased, and that sounds very believable to me, given the state of liberal world in general.
00:24:05.740But I have to say, like, this crazy hostility that is so exaggerated and so in your face, I genuinely believe is driving people into the arms of the church.
00:24:20.140And the other story that we talked about is a story that was in the New York Post about how young people from liberal towns and cities across the United States who moved to New York to make it big and become a success are turning to the Catholic Church.
00:24:38.260Catholic churches in Brooklyn, in Greenwich Village and the Upper East Side have all reported a surge in attendees to the point where one of them said they had to put on an extra mask.
00:24:49.520The actual numbers are not huge, but of course, this is New York City.
00:24:54.440But having lived in New York City for a long time, my reaction to this was pure astonishment.
00:25:00.380And the interesting thing was that all of the people interviewed, there's about five or six people interviewed, they were all young, under 40, they were all from liberal backgrounds, and at least three of them mentioned that they had parents or grandparents who had been brought up in the church and had rejected the church because of church scandal.
00:25:20.220Now, this is a very interesting generational shift.
00:25:23.760It means that the old established church that absolutely messed up all of those scandals is being left behind, and a new generation is coming in, and hopefully they will reinvigorate the institution.
00:25:38.360Well, all I can say is God help these kids when they cross the threshold.
00:25:44.220No, no, God help these kids when they cross the threshold, because what people think the Catholic Church is, I say this as a convert, someone who converted 25 years ago, what people think the Catholic Church is from outside is very different from what you find inside.
00:26:01.940From the outside, it's incredibly appealing.
00:26:04.000You know, it's supposed to be, you get the idea that this is unchanging rock that has been clear, consistent, and a fortress against modernism and modern values.
00:26:17.100And of course, you make the argument, it largely is, with regard to the faithful.
00:26:21.780Sadly, our hireling bishops who are driving the church into the ground are stamping out every last, um, can you hear me?
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00:31:33.660So, Frank Walker, when I saw this next story that we're going to be discussing now about 48 trans people in a Vatican meeting, you instantly think of 48 people of dubious gender identity and doubtful sexuality wandering around the Vatican halls in long, flowing robes.
00:31:56.440So, you think, so it's just talking about the bishops then.
00:31:59.420But actually, it might be more to it than this.
00:32:02.960Tell us about the 48 trans who have been received by Pope Leo.
00:32:20.460And I don't know if people are familiar, but since Francis, there's been the phenomenon of tranny hookers having regular appearances in the Vatican.
00:32:31.240Last week, I think I said that they went to mass every couple of weeks, but they didn't.
00:32:36.340It was it was I meant to say it was part of the regular audiences.
00:32:40.380These and the and then for the last couple of years, they've been going to this annual lunch for the homeless.
00:33:29.240Maybe, you know, Ben, that these training hookers come through a parish priest in this beach town.
00:33:36.540It reminds me in America, it'd be more like Key West this town.
00:33:40.260And they all come in and they last for the last couple of years, two of them had dinner at the pope's table.
00:33:46.920So the story is now that these tranny hookers who are also fed by the Vatican and sort of taken care of, they didn't get to be at the pope's table.
00:33:58.840They're only nearby and all over the worldwide press is trumpeting.
00:34:34.400And they were selected at random at the last minute, which makes me wonder, you know, how do you select homeless people for the pope's table?
00:34:42.180Do you have to weed out the tranny hookers but not the drug addicts or the ones?
00:35:32.740I think it's a little bit of a diss from the papal omner, who's become more of an enforcer in this case, and saying that they're not allowed to be at the table with Leo.
00:35:57.540Make sure that they know that the tranny hookers are part of the Catholic Church.
00:36:02.500And as you can see, that they have a table with all the other homeless people.
00:36:06.480So, I just, I think it's amazingly shocking that people in the world have to listen to this kind of scandal.
00:36:15.720Because, no, you're not, you know, you're a part of the Catholic Church if you follow the church teaching.
00:36:20.840And it gives a terrific scandal to all the people that, like we talked about here, the new people that are trying to find the Catholic Church to go back into the past and learn that, you know, how to be obedient to God.
00:36:34.780It's not about making, you know, pretending that you're caring about what the church teaches.
00:36:41.000And then, on the other hand, you know, putting people at the front table.
00:36:44.300And I noticed that Edgar, there's a picture of the secretary, the young secretary that Leo has been working with since he was a teenager, Edgar, sitting right there next to him at the table.