00:01:22.700The research on this chimp war suggests that civil war existed before humanity was developed, and what the researchers found might reveal fundamental shifts in social dynamics that almost mechanically produce civil war when the dominoes fall in just the right way, so to speak.
00:01:39.480so rather than being about civilizational things like religion and governance and political systems
00:01:45.380or cultural identity civil war is actually the product of very subtle but crucial logistical
00:01:52.600shifts in social clusters and in dominance hierarchies but crucially this research implies
00:01:58.500that there are cultural and civilizational things that we could do to reduce our odds of hurtling
00:02:04.440towards civil war wait do we want to reduce our odds of hurtling towards civil war look
00:02:09.360i don't want my electricity to go out i need to be able to buy my doritos i guess it depends on
00:02:15.060who's on top look i simone has been wanting to tell me about this chimp war all day yeah she's
00:02:21.040gotten so excited about this idea why it was the first episode she wanted to record today she's
00:02:25.820like we have to do i need to tell you so therefore she needs to tell you guys and she's now saying
00:02:31.480that she thinks we might actually be heading towards civil war that maybe rubyard is right
00:02:37.340is that what you're saying because rubyard predicts the american left and right headed
00:02:41.760towards a civil war was in our country and you're saying rubyard no he's yep based on
00:02:48.540the chimpanzee civil war and what i've observed of human behavior related to well we've also got
00:02:55.520to keep in mind that there's a lot of actors out there that would like an american civil war
00:02:59.560right it's worse than that it's because and this this is crucially what this research reveals it's
00:03:04.320not necessarily about them and it's not about religion or culture it's about this other factor
00:03:09.900that is extremely underrated that played a crucial war in the chimp war sorry a crucial role in the
00:03:15.100chimp war and this this could be the linchpin this could be the thing that can trigger a war
00:03:22.680because it is what triggered this war and i think it's super fascinating so you ready
00:03:27.560you know what time it is yeah what time is it what time is it come on oh chimpanzee that it's
00:03:35.380monkey news rick is that time again it's what everyone's waiting for can you do the jingle for
00:03:38.920oh chimpanzee that monkey news oh you gotta do the monkey he's fighting
00:04:16.380oh my god i'm i'm super excited about this no and also a really big hat tip to gutsick gibbon
00:04:24.060on youtube because she's the one who got me thinking about this and she does a lot of like
00:04:28.120stuff about evolution and creationism but also covers the chip war so first off i had no idea
00:04:34.580that people are really into studying chimpanzees and i should have realized that they were because
00:04:40.420Jane Goodall exists and is a thing, but they have been studied at roughly 120 field localities
00:04:47.380across 20 African countries. And it's this really involved process where they will spend months,
00:04:53.500even years, just standing awkwardly around the chimpanzees to just get them accustomed to humans
00:05:00.760being around and not meaning anything. And they also do what are called vocal follows,
00:05:06.200where trained observers just follow one identified individual for extended periods of time,
00:05:13.000writing detailed notes every 15 minutes for adults and every minute for mother-infant pairs,
00:05:19.200talking about, well, what are they doing right now? What's the party composition? What are the
00:05:23.600social dynamics? Where are they located? What are they eating? Like, they're just, I wonder how
00:05:30.180these, I really want to, like, what do these chimpanzees think of these humans? This is bizarre.
00:05:34.080And then they will get to know the chimpanzees, they'll know them like multiple generations of families. And then they'll also do more at arm's length analyses based on cameras that they have triggered to notice motion. And they'll even analyze their feces for shifts in their hormones. So they're like really into this.
00:05:58.220and in the earlier days of Jane Goodall they were a lot I would say the research was really crappy
00:06:05.260so actually this this war that I'm about to talk about is not the first chimpanzee war
00:06:10.440the famous Jane Goodall observed the first chimpanzee war the Gumby chimpanzee war and did
00:06:16.980she like play it down or something because she wanted people to like chimps it's worse than that
00:06:20.760So this is a war that went from 1974 to 1978. And it's the first sort of famously documented
00:06:28.720chimpanzee war that she was there for. And a lot of the people who criticized her, even her analysis
00:06:37.280of this chimpanzee war was there like, no, she caused it because she was feeding these chimpanzees
00:06:44.140food and that created crowding and extra competition which then when these these0.60
00:06:51.220chimpanzees encountered resource scarcity later both in the form of food and infertile females
00:06:56.100it caused them to become extra aggressive so a lot of people were like well we can't even consider
00:07:00.720this war seriously and take good data from it because she got too involved with these chimpanzees
00:07:05.240yeah she she was she's feeding them and getting like way too emotionally invested and i'm sure
00:07:10.800everyone gets emotionally invested in these chimpanzees but like yeah anyway i yeah so we
00:07:17.260can't really like it wasn't the data wasn't great those subsequent research did reveal that indeed
00:07:22.180there are conflicts and and and violent disagreements between chimpanzees so it's not
00:07:28.080like it's all human caused it happens naturally even now with much better research it you know
00:07:33.640people are much more removed and not getting involved with the chimpanzees it's still happening
00:07:37.360and it certainly happened here but now they're much better at tracking how it's happening and
00:07:42.140why it's happening so this this first this civil war happened in 2015 it began in the nagogo
00:07:52.260community in uganda and this is one of the actually it is the largest known wild chimpanzee
00:07:58.740community ever studied it is huge it has over 200 chimpanzees and it has been tracked and studied
00:08:05.420for over 30 years so they have incredibly good data on these chimpanzees and like over multiple
00:08:12.080generations and this war is kind of a big deal because the civil war started in 2015 and
00:08:21.040apparently it's still ongoing so this is a very serious conflict and here's sort of how it played
00:08:28.200out on June 24th in 2015 this is when the war started it has a whole lore members of the western
00:08:34.780and central clusters of this community encountered each other. And instead of reuniting like they
00:08:40.220normally used to, the Western chimps ran away from the central chimps and the central chimps
00:08:47.780chased them. And then this was followed by this unprecedented six-week period of mutual avoidance
00:08:53.940that escalated into controlled patrols and attacks in 2016. So sort of one year after they started
00:08:59.900acting real weird around each other and avoiding each other they are
00:09:04.340raiding each other this is typically hold on hold on so what used to happen before the avoidance
00:09:11.300behavior when they would interact they just like hang out and start eating food and be cool around
00:09:17.360each other they would not start attacking and killing each other so this is what you're saying
00:09:22.540it relates to our society right now it's the avoidance of two social groups from interacting
00:09:28.320with each other that spells and this is true the left and the right used to hang out together
00:09:33.500they used to go to events together they used to be part of the same social circles uh same
00:09:38.180companies and we're not seeing that anymore they've completely divided and i mean not to
00:09:42.760not to be biased but j'accuse the left it is their fault because they're the ones and this
00:09:50.120even shows up in the data like i you remember the the research on friendships that found that
00:09:55.820people on the right were happy to befriend people who were left-leaning politically but people on
00:10:01.780the left very clearly and distinctly in the data were unwilling to be friends with or would even
00:10:09.020end terminate friendships with people who they sought to be politically conservative so this
00:10:14.680freezing out is is unidirectional and i mean if we have a civil war it's going to be the fault of
00:10:22.480the left it's not going to be our freaking fault because it's clear from data that is not there's
00:10:28.060no partisan agenda behind it was just like let's learn about friendship they are definitely a big
00:10:33.300part of this but yeah so just a little peek into what a chimp war is like in practice it looks like
00:10:40.800groups of chimpanzees usually males so not always but trolling their territories borders and then
00:10:45.900pushing into enemy territory so this is very much more like very similar to human wars then when
00:10:50.980they encounter members of the opposing group they attack them often in brutal prolonged fashion
00:10:57.420involving beating and biting and deliberate cruelty beyond what's needed to simply kill
00:11:03.000so they they're aware of what chimpanzees will do in self-defense they've been studying this
00:11:09.420particular group for 30 years they're going beyond like they're just they hate them they hate them
00:11:27.120In fact, females were also present during attacks that they monitored, and they occasionally carried out killings themselves, which is unusual.
00:11:35.080They're notably more aggressive during this fission period than females typically are during intercommunity patrols.
00:11:43.080patrols so even even the women are chimping out it's it's bad and then over seven years the
00:11:51.260western group made 24 attacks killing at least seven mature males and 17 infants so there are
00:11:57.960casualties and that's non-trivial in a group of 200 by 2017 two fully distinct territories and
00:12:04.680groups were established and the civil war has continued on like it's there's there's no sign
00:12:10.580of it ending and a lot of people are like well this happened because the troop was large and
00:12:17.260it is the biggest one ever studied it's true but it's very common and apparently they call this
00:12:23.060fusion and fission it's very common to see fission in a large chimp group they will break up because0.99
00:12:28.940they're just too big it's it's the the dominance hierarchy kind of falls apart but that is0.99
00:12:33.840it's usually peaceful. They just kind of go their separate ways. And there is no
00:12:39.140conflict like this. This is very unusual. And that's why we want to go into what caused this.
00:12:46.540This is what's so interesting. So it's not that the group was getting too big. What the key thing
00:12:51.260is that key intermediary individuals died. So in 2014, at least two of these, like a large cluster
00:13:01.160of important chimpanzees who used to be you know in high school like with the cliques there was
00:13:08.500that kid who like would float between like the drama kids and the stoners or the popular kids
00:13:14.340and the nerds right and they would they would sometimes get the groups together like invite
00:13:18.120them all to their beach party I don't know I wasn't good at social things in high school but0.68
00:13:23.900that is what these intermediary chimps would do they would get basically two of these subgroups0.99
00:13:30.800within these groups together. And they were really good at connecting them. And this created0.88
00:13:35.440this sense of familiarity and exchange, even if they spent the majority of time kind of on their
00:13:40.100own, doing their own thing. And it could be that there was some kind of sickness that spread
00:13:43.980through in 2014, but a bunch of these key males specifically died. Two of them definitely died
00:13:52.440from disease. So the bros. Yeah. Like the bros. Yeah. Who are just like, look, like let's all
00:13:57.600hang out i mean i think you're you try to be one of these people within our culture right like we
00:14:01.760reach out to people on the left all the time we try to get people together we host these parties
00:14:05.540to get people i think it was in the right i try to be one of these people where we have many
00:14:10.240different factions in the right with many different goals and i try to identify which ones can
00:14:16.060actually work together effectively and then try to decrease tensions between those groups so that0.66
00:14:21.760we can win that is exactly what those chimps did but what happens if you die right and if like five0.92
00:14:27.200other people who are doing the same thing die you're going to get less of that exchange less0.70
00:14:32.680of the the very crucial membrane permeation that leads to a little bit more osmosis and like
00:14:41.520stability between the membranes you know other it's going to become very brittle and strained
00:14:46.640if if there isn't this exchange and so take this and then make it worse because in 2015
00:14:52.840the the there was a a power transition the alpha male shifted and this coincided with the first
00:15:03.680sustained separation between the western and central clusters and then this likely amplified
00:15:10.060tensions right if there's a new leader there were probably a bunch of other males who were kind of
00:15:15.100like in coalitions that were angling for power for the alpha male position in his like orbit of
00:15:20.420supplemental alpha males i don't know how it works in chimp groups i'm just guessing here
00:15:24.000but that must have made things worse but then what really solidified all of this
00:15:29.580is that a respiratory epidemic hit in 2017 and this killed 25 chimpanzees and this ended up
00:15:37.000killing some of the last remaining key intermediaries and then as those go go-betweens
00:15:43.980just disappeared and vaporized no no one else like stepped in to fill that role well what i find
00:15:49.020really interesting is if you look at what's happened in our society and you're using this
00:15:53.140as a predictive sort of model the sort of social virus that has infected the left is so terrified
00:16:00.480in fact the thing it's terrified most of is the intermediary right because the intermediary could
00:16:06.340allow ideas to enter the left that would defeat the social contagion yeah or de-escalate the
00:16:11.840to control people so they explicitly target intermediaries and then what the intermediaries
00:16:20.580have done because if you look at many of the people who have become thought leaders on the
00:16:25.740new right they are people who previously filled the intermediary role in society people like
00:16:32.860myself or leaflet or jd vance or these were very much like the bridge between maga and the left
00:16:41.520right like we talked with both of them we hung out with both of them we helped both of them
00:16:45.960communicate with each other and i think one of the biggest challenges that the left is going to
00:16:52.760have going forward is because it attacked the people willing to talk to both sides is the
00:16:58.280intermediaries are now applying their skill set to make the right more culturally cohesive basically
00:17:06.960to build a stronger faction against them and we're we're absolutely seeing that right like the the
00:17:13.320right has been significantly less especially the new right that i've said significantly low drama
00:17:18.200significantly low infighting yeah because no this isn't all of the right obviously there's parts of
00:17:24.320like the legacy right who don't understand what's going on and we basically ignore them because they
00:17:28.760speak to boomers and they're going to be dead soon anyway you know they can rail against anime
00:17:32.820hentai or whatever actually no you okay so you've gotta look on whatsapp and pull up the the graph0.90
00:17:38.020image i just sent to you because what you're describing like if in fact it doesn't even say
00:17:42.460anything about chimps here it says western group and central group but you could just replace that
00:17:46.320with like leftists and and yeah actually i can just put this graph of chimps next to a graph of
00:17:54.020the political parties drifting apart yeah and so what what you're if you're just listening what
00:17:59.220we're looking at is a graph from the research looking at this chimpanzee war. It goes from
00:18:05.2401998 to 2022. And it visually shows how different cliques and coalitions interchanged and exchanged
00:18:13.900with each other. And you can see in 1998, it was both a smaller group. So there were fewer
00:18:20.700involved in this discourse, which is pretty analogous to actually to how things used to be
00:18:27.000in 1998 in our own time, when there literally were not that many voices involved in public
00:18:33.520discourse. Anyway, though, then you start to see over time that there's more population density,
00:18:41.040but then there's still a lot of exchange. And then after 2016, especially, just the interchange
00:18:49.700between these different cliques just ends. And then you just basically see red and blue,
00:18:54.900just big old blocks of red and blue and blue starts branching off a little bit it might be
00:19:00.200going through some kind of fission event again around starting in 2021 it's unclear but from
00:19:06.3202018 until 2021 both of these blocks were basically uninterrupted giant isolated chunks
00:19:13.420and that is what civil war looks like and i i do worry reading this and looking at this graph and
00:19:21.460just being like wait is this our political factions right now because it really feels like
00:19:25.680that no after after i saw this graph i was like okay okay like i know right we need to talk about
00:19:33.280this but then also you should look at the one with the picture of the chimpanzees at the bottom
00:19:38.660this is figure one from the research it shows a different kind of visualization going from 2013
00:19:45.000to 2018, where it sort of graphs out the social networks. And they show them in red and blue
00:19:51.580again. And there's sort of this, you can see the spikes of how the social networks connect.
00:19:56.220And in 2013, you really, it's hard to tell what's red and what's blue. It's just this combined
00:20:01.520spiky ball. And then what you're seeing over time from 2013 to 2018, it looks like sort of a weird
00:20:07.880spiky ball soot sprite from spirited away undergoing some form of like cell division
00:20:15.120and then becoming just two distinct balls it just falls apart and it's just all about that
00:20:20.420interconnectedness and it's it's fascinating to me and I think what this teaches us about human
00:20:26.780civil war is that the role of linchpin individuals who connect disparate groups is super underrated
00:20:34.220in our understanding of how they kick off that when i was taught how civil war worked in history
00:20:41.020it was like well you need to have this point where like people are so poor that they're really angry
00:20:45.120and then like some educated class is like in on it too but i think a lot of it does have to do with
00:20:49.900a breakdown of communication between factions and really starting to view the enemy as not human
00:20:55.520as other and that's how you're getting even female chimpanzees coming in here and being hungry to
00:21:01.640to kill the infants that of groups that you know these are these are chimpanzees that grew up they0.99
00:21:08.340used to groom each other like they knew each other and they're killing each other now this0.57
00:21:13.260is this is really serious stuff and this is exactly what happens in human civil wars this
00:21:16.680is how you got brothers fighting on opposite sides and i mean you we the the reason it escalates is
00:21:22.440because somebody else killed your infants or did that like well sure yeah yeah no it escalates
00:21:26.880real fast we're seeing this radicalization happen with like the antony trial right where the left0.94
00:21:32.120is like it should be okay to kill white people of course right like how dare you punish somebody0.96
00:21:37.660for killing a white person that they're actually getting surprised about this and this is in turn0.99
00:21:44.440no you're right like the fact that they were up in arms about that goes to show yeah this complete
00:21:50.820lack of communication with someone who might hold a different perspective same with the way that
00:21:56.100people respond to ice are just like well the to both treat ice officers as not human and then to
00:22:05.860just be so unthinking and like how maybe we should enforce immigration law or to hate them so deeply
00:22:18.320to like chase them around with whistles and just all these and to like call them nazis and
00:22:23.200everything yeah i that's very disturbing but what i think we could do and what i view differently
00:22:32.800now knowing this is that i think we should both take the concept of the index more seriously
00:22:40.940this is something malcolm proposed in the pragmatist guide to crafting religion or the
00:22:45.560book he wrote about culture basically crafting culture or making your existing religion stronger
00:22:50.800in the face of modernity. And this concept of the index is this idea of this loose network of
00:22:57.460families and cultures that respects the autonomy of other cultures and seeks to learn from them
00:23:03.760and exchange with them to share certain cultural technologies, like maybe shared dating markets,
00:23:10.800but to respect everyone's culture, but also welcome the intermixing and iteration of their
00:23:17.420cultures. It's something that we've started to build up. There's a lot of families that are
00:23:21.260already kind of listed as like, hey, we're going to be a part of this experiment when you have
00:23:24.820critical mass sufficient to kick it off. And it is exactly formations of loose organizations like
00:23:31.700that, that can create not only really helpful, safe alliances as things start to break down,
00:23:37.780but also stave off things like civil war, because it's exactly that exchange that we need.
00:23:41.840But it also makes me think of your techno Puritan covenant of the sons of men, which was designed sort of to fight off existential risk and threat from AI, but is also very much related to this, which is that we have to respect everyone's right to sovereignty and the right to exist as long as you're not putting others at risk.
00:24:09.520and i think a core part of that involves being willing to exchange with them and understand them
00:24:15.800and maybe pushing well and the the the i mean you could not with this model of civil war
00:24:22.920have played your cards worse than the left played their cards and i think when you look at like
00:24:29.440sensibilities and stuff like that like how far the right is willing to go at this point in terms of
00:24:34.840getting things done yeah you know what ice is doing looks quite violent to a lot of people
00:24:40.300but the vast majority of people on the right other than like nick fuentes who whines about i can't0.94
00:24:44.900even believe he whines about ice being too violent such a fucking weenus anyway i'm just so glad that0.75
00:24:50.420he's left our party such a weenus but the rest of us are like yeah like ice needs to do this right0.97
00:24:57.160like we have seen what happens on the other side of this the gang grapes of children where people
00:25:03.340aren't even given prison sentences and stuff like that like this it's just mortifying at this point
00:25:07.580how bad things have gotten and how statistically bad things have gotten and our site is just like
00:25:12.500we don't care anymore we don't care about fairness or it looking bad and it's even i think the same
00:25:19.100with elections where the left is completely unconcerned with like no matter how much evidence
00:25:24.500you can show them that there was election fraud it is irrelevant to them at this point because
00:25:28.600they're like well we should cheat in elections right like that's worth it for us and i think
00:25:33.420that on the right we should be taking this perspective as well like much more aggressively
00:25:37.280just like we need to no really i mean i think what a civil war functionally looks like in this
00:25:45.280current day and age and you said this yeah is we need functional control of the tech lords that
00:25:51.740means the ai companies and and and and fortunately we're actually sort of like already well on our
00:25:58.140way to that most of the tech lords are new right adjacent or really sympathetic to our world
00:26:05.640perspective and ways of thinking and like wider cultural movement so like we're already there
00:26:11.260just part of the key to winning that is stop attacking the tech lords you doofuses right like
00:26:17.040the tech lords are our friends who who owns the ai in the capital plays a lot of a role in who wins
00:26:25.920a societal civil war we don't own the media and we can't own the media we're never going to win
00:26:30.860those institutions we're never going to win the university system we're never going to win academia
00:26:35.400but we can win the tech lords in an era where their influence disproportionately matters so
00:26:42.500that means you need to be forgiving of the type of things that the tech lords do the the you know0.85
00:26:48.180they will hold some perspectives it may be like oh you know a bunch of gays and stuff like this
00:26:52.560so then you've got to be more accepting of gay people right like if that's what the tech lords0.74
00:26:56.260are we need them on our side you can say that for your family for your kids that's not right
00:27:00.800but making them feel uncomfortable partnering with us is setting us up to lose right like that's what
00:27:07.460a controlled opposition would do within our party the second thing that we need to do
00:27:10.860is ensure that the left can never win an election again and if that means transitioning governance
00:27:18.280models, if that means changing how the government is run, if that means transitioning, as I've
00:27:23.500often said, I think America, if we look at the length that an empire often lacks, sorry, lasts
00:27:28.020or lives, we're reaching sort of the end of that cycle. If we look at Rome and its last days as a
00:27:34.140republic, it mirrors America a lot right now. So it's, are we looking at transitioning into the
00:27:40.700empire of America from the Republic of America? And I'm not, and I don't mind that if it's our
00:27:45.900side that has grabbed power in this transition. And I know that that on the right would have
00:27:51.400before, oh, how dare you say that? How dare you say that? And it's like, I'm sorry. You don't
00:27:57.100seem to realize how much the other side hates you if you don't feel that way or how little your
00:28:03.840lives or the lives of your children matter to them and their goals. And I think if we can just
00:28:08.140capture those two things, the tech lords and the United States government, then in terms of moving
00:28:14.680the world forwards we're in a very good position and the the the my plan would be once we got into
00:28:21.560that position like had control of the u.s government the fight over politics in america
00:28:28.340right now has really been globalized to a large extent oh yeah no absolutely so the american right
00:28:36.040and the american left fight is playing out in all these other countries and a lot of them like in
00:28:40.540Latin America and stuff now, or electing right-wing figures, I would probably move to a position of
00:28:46.520beginning to build out a, well, a true American empire, right? Like to begin building the sort of
00:28:53.740pseudo-vassalitic relations with these other right-wing governments and help them maintain
00:28:58.740permanent power structures within their governments as well, under a sort of pan-American
00:29:04.520American goal, right? Fanning out from American power interests. And I think that that's completely
00:29:11.160realistic within our lifetimes to set that up. And it's probably the best thing that many of
00:29:15.980these other countries can hope for because they're going to run out of money soon.
00:29:18.720Their demographic situation and not having the same AI tech that we have or ability for innovative
00:29:23.860capacity. And if you're like, oh, everyone has the same ability for innovative capacity. Okay,
00:29:27.960live your fucking dream. All right. But like functionally, that's not the way things are1.00
00:29:31.460playing out right so that's that's where i'd like to see the the future go i think that that's that's
00:29:37.520the way that this plays out with the least amount of of bloodshed and pain possible and i think a
00:29:44.020lot of people and this is where i think the civil war is going right like i i don't follow the ruby
00:29:49.040art style of civil war i think the civil war is about control of the government and control of
00:29:55.400elite capital those are the two groups that really matter and the this this doesn't require
00:30:01.340like a full-scale battle where you know you're arming yourself and you're running at each other
00:30:05.240with guns and everything like that we don't need to fight our battles that way anymore it's it's a
00:30:09.940new type of civilizational warfare you just need to capture the institutions in a way where the0.98
00:30:17.740the power transition becomes more ceremonial and less of a true democracy which is kind of a dumb
00:30:24.280idea to begin with that we should just do whatever the average person thinks like that made a lot of
00:30:28.440sense in our founders time when it was like the average educated person no no yeah that was never
00:30:33.000that was never their plan yeah it was never it was it was like it was land-holding normies would get
00:30:41.440to vote for an elite person to decide for them which i'm okay with that form of democracy like
00:30:47.140let's go back to that right my god look i like what you designed more in the privatist guide
00:30:52.020to governance this this i mean the index allows for a system to grow slowly out of the techno
00:30:56.960puritan so you don't have to be a techno puritan to be in the index the index is a wider cultural
00:31:01.580network for basically everybody who's looking to fight back against the the woke system find
00:31:07.520spouses for their kids everything like that so the index isn't explicitly a techno puritan thing
00:31:12.420it's just maintained by the techno puritan religious tradition because it was invented
00:31:16.600to be useful. Hey, I'm glad you found that. Make sure it's charged. Don't take it outside.
00:31:23.960If you're interested in how it works, it's not really relevant to most people how it works.
00:31:27.720It's a very complicated system. I designed it to be incredibly robust and have almost none of the
00:31:33.400problems of the existing governance systems that exist in the world today. It would be incredibly
00:31:37.500stable, like basically better form of democracy. I'm really quite proud of the design of it,
00:31:43.100but we don't need to go into that in this particular video all that you need to know
00:31:46.940is it is a very robust thing but it was not meant to work at the level of the united states
00:31:52.880government right like it was meant to create a sort of a a sub-governmental entity that could
00:32:01.260heavily influence voting patterns everything like that but that was like a society under society
00:32:07.880right like a type of aristocratic network almost and yeah but i mean this is this is where i think
00:32:13.560we're going with with the quote-unquote civil war and i think if we don't get there yeah i think
00:32:19.740we've got like two to three election cycles to figure this out right like that's it it just it
00:32:24.660worries me to see how crucial like and how key of a role that breakdown in communication was with
00:32:31.400these chimpanzees and how strikingly that's happening now and i don't know i mean so it
00:32:39.440like with the french revolution it it happened very naturally because of i think maybe okay i
00:32:47.320think maybe a key reason why this wasn't recognized as an issue in the past is that that communication
00:32:52.920didn't exist to begin with so an easy cause of civil war could just be something much simpler
00:33:00.900you know, like a breakdown in resources or, you know, the peasants not getting enough food or
00:33:06.200whatever it might be, or a very distinct disagreement about governance. But actually,
00:33:14.520I wish I could go back and study the civil war in the United States to see if like there was some
00:33:19.600breakdown in communication that could have contributed to that. It's just I feel like
00:33:24.060this breakdown in communication is unprecedented and so weird in a time where communication should
00:33:29.500be easier than ever before. There are more people who are engaging in political discourse than we've
00:33:37.100ever had engaging in it. They have every ability to reach out to people on the other side. We reach
00:33:42.880out to people on the other side all the freaking time. I just did, what, yesterday? You were like,
00:33:48.960reach out to, I'm not going to name who the person is, to have them on the podcast. They never get
00:33:53.520back to us like we we we try to have people on other in from other like we'll say affiliative
00:34:01.840groups come on they won't talk to us so even when we try it just it's it makes me very worried but
00:34:08.720yeah now now i'm i'm with you and what if halt is with ruby yard as you call him and no the thing is
00:34:16.540is we don't we don't need to we need to win the civil war we need to stop thinking like oh when's
00:34:21.160a civil war going to happen and remember that the civil war is not with guns but it is won by
00:34:27.000building a large enough coalition that you can maintain power structures and this is why the
00:34:33.220people on the right who push people out who say oh the the base gays can't be in our party that's0.99
00:34:38.860so true yeah if you want to lose don't communicate and try to freeze people out that is the top way1.00
00:34:45.800to make yourself not competitive exactly and the people on the right who say this stupid like oh0.95
00:34:52.000the colorado effect or whatever which is like oh you give them an inch like you you they they went0.97
00:34:56.620left on like marijuana issues and then they became much more left on other issues and it's like no
00:35:01.800they were like the first state to go left on marijuana so everybody moved there like that's1.00
00:35:05.180not an effect that's going to be replicated at the level of a country you buffoon you imbecile1.00
00:35:10.900like how can you not how can you not put that together this is exactly like a conversation0.99
00:35:15.800that you're going to see at the end of this where i say that a certain group seems to not be able to
00:35:20.160tell the difference between something happening in one location and then being like but this other
00:35:25.520location isn't life isn't a storybook with like rhyming plots or something like that a certain
00:35:32.500group gold star to anyone who guesses who that group's gonna be you have to look at the actual
00:35:37.980reasons that a thing happened and if it if those reasons aren't applicable in scenario b0.99
00:35:45.160then you're being a fucking idiot and you're shooting us in the foot right and it's important0.99
00:35:50.460to remember that the people we need to win the most are the tech lords and so knowing what their1.00
00:35:58.980interests are and what their red lines are in terms of how accepting we need to be as a party
00:36:06.660is incredibly important and and like the two hard lines that they typically have are well they have
00:36:14.000a few one is being incredibly anti-semitic that will immediately wipe the tech lords out of your
00:36:19.540boat you're not going to get them on board with you because just their world involves a lot of1.00
00:36:24.980working with jews and if you're a smart tech lord type person and you're playing 3d chess you're1.00
00:36:30.320like obviously we need a high fertility high technology population on our side right like1.00
00:36:35.680that that's the group that matters like a lot to the tech lord you can say you're not okay with
00:36:41.940gayness or even that gayness like gay marriage should be illegal in the united states but being
00:36:46.820specifically antagonistic or mean or having gay people or same-sex attracted people not feel safe0.53
00:36:53.000in your communities that will absolutely lose you the tech lords and being anti-science will
00:36:57.580absolutely lose you the tech lords just being like oh i'm against genetic research oh i'm against
00:37:02.540cloning research oh i'm against you it's one thing to say i'm against it for my community
00:37:07.720it's another thing to say it should be banned and again why do the tech lawyers care about that not
00:37:11.160just because they use this technology but because they're not stupid and they know that any faction
00:37:16.520long term that bans this sort of technology is going to fail at the civilizational game they're0.94
00:37:22.920going to get curb stomped by china in 100 years when they've continued to develop or whoever does0.95
00:37:27.600continue to develop the the the tech refugee you know whatever charter city i do have a lot of hope0.84
00:37:34.360for this you know i i think them and you you talk about people you know griefing on this the vast
00:37:39.620majority of the criticism that i hear for things like science or ivf or whatever online typically
00:37:47.360are just people expressing their opinion in the same way that like the red sox would dunk on the0.97
00:37:53.740yankees like i think you're wrong and dumb but like we're all gonna keep playing the same game
00:37:57.440together and we know that we need to so i'm not worried about that even actually trending just0.87
00:38:01.560recently on x was a discussion of some people being like well anime is like a gateway to being
00:38:07.180weird i don't want my kids to look at anime and then a lot of very prominent conservative
00:38:13.520influencers being like dude no anime's fine get over yourself like this is fine like bronze age0.70
00:38:18.900pervert being like i know a guy who really likes anime and he sends he videos of him like banging0.89
00:38:25.320women in like the bathrooms of nightclubs all the time he's not an incel like he's i guess that was0.96
00:38:29.880his like his sign that he's okay i don't know if that's wait who was this bronze pervert yeah0.98
00:38:35.060banging women in bathrooms that was his sign that his friend who watched anime was not some0.77
00:38:43.240basement dwelling in cell that couldn't get as he called it anime clean up with girls i know
00:38:49.860they couldn't get it and the way he spelled it p-u-c-c-y i love his spelling it is it is a true
00:38:55.500form of art he's an artist p-u-c-c-y anyway yeah no the the right is inclusive it's good that there
00:39:02.820are debates that take place it is important that people disagree with each other and also have very
00:39:07.980different ideas but I don't worry about the right because most importantly those debates are taking
00:39:13.740place at all whereas what happens on the left is it's just like and there are these evil people
00:39:19.120who are doing these unspeakable things and they don't say it as in like all right come at me like
00:39:25.020let's hear your argument it's because Malcolm like even the way you talk about Catholics it's1.00
00:39:29.120like yeah come serve me your next dish I will take it and I will pan it like you're excited for it
00:39:34.700Because we talk with Catholics and Catholics talk with us.
00:39:37.580Whereas when I hear left-leaning influencers talk about anything that's related to the right, it's just from this extreme strawmanning, not even willing to engage with his never-talking conservative perspective.
00:39:49.480Yeah, I mean, we promote Catholic influencers all the time.
00:39:52.560We've promoted, what's her name, Pichikinen, for example.
00:39:55.480We've promoted, who's very pro-Catholic, we just recently had him on, Basic Ideas.
00:40:00.120I was actually very surprised that he wasn't Catholic because he's so-